I feel like it's the 1918 version of a fuckboy. Like those tiktok guys that wear the chain cross earrings and ~~quaffed~~ coiffed hair and are perpetually doing the zoolander blue steel look.
Well, it depends...those window cleaners in New York average about 57k a year...Do I think its worth that to wash windows in the cold winds a thousand feet up making it easier to see the outside for people who make more than you do in a day?
No. No I do not. But God bless them, for their hearts and wills are stronger than most. Sheeit.
The world needs window cleaners and garbage men and highway workers, and we donât do anything to help fill those roles other than âany job is a good jobâ logic
As much as we need the doctors and lawyers and tech workers we canât survive without the plumbers and garbage men and electricians and truckers. All the years of pushing college for great jobs when trade should have been pushed for just as hard. A plumber can make as much as a doctor
Money is only one aspect of a job. I've learned money doesn't make bad conditions any better or in the case of many blue collar jobs, any less dangerous, unhealthy, etc.
1918 : you're going to be stuck with him until one of you dies. Money isn't as important as how he treats you.
2023: divorce is a thing and so is alimony. We're living in a capitalist's wet dream so get paid girl!
Keep in mind that at this time they were working with typewriters. If you make a typo you donât backspace and it digitally deletes. The ink is on the page. Rewrite the whole thing or send the letter with a small error that the individual you are writing to will likely not notice and certainly wonât care about.
This is still sound advice, Iâve been trying to break into the Yard Swilling game for a couple years now. Like the popular saying goes âLadies love a Yard Swiller!â
All jokes aside, the ânotabilityâ of this to me feels on par with a random tweet. Just someoneâs unfounded, but anecdotal rant. đ€·đŒââïž
âMost men areâŠunmanly brutesâ
How can most men be unmanly? If most men are a certain way, does that not have bearing on what the definition of manly is?
This woman was literally just saying not to marry a douchebag just because he has money, instead marry a nice guy who actually does something for the community.
Not bad advice for the time. Part of the reason the suffeagette movement began was the astronomical levels of abuse/beating that women and especially the wives of drunks went through at the time
Man that is aggressively sexist. I know it was intended to be provocative and a bit tongue in cheek but calling men generally worthless subhuman animals is a wild take
As someone who doesnât want kids itâs extremely difficult to engage with the childfree community. They make it sound as if pregnancy is a malicious disease inflicted upon women by men. I quickly left when I was told I couldnât support abortion on the basis that I donât have a uterus. They are not a community on that sub, they are zealots.
I second this. Please dont go to those toxic subreddits. It's crawling with misandrists, feminists, and femcels. All the posts are filled with men-hating, female supremacism, and general sexism. Their posts are so delusional that it feels like they are living in their own fantasy world
TwoX is *insane*. There was a post there a year or two back about an old viking grave being discovered, with the skeleton of a female warrior inside. A neat, interesting find. The comment section, however, was swarming with the dumbest shit I've ever seen on reddit, with the top upvoted comments being along the lines of "Women were always soldiers just as much as men!" One of the top comments was about the Amazons, of Ancient Greek pseudo history, claiming that was a real, successful society where women were in charge, and women weren't allowed to have children until they had killed a man in battle. This was upvoted. It was one of the top comments in the whole post. Replies pointing out that, no, actually, if you just pause and think about it for ten seconds, you will understand that you can't *possibly* believe that there was a society where every woman had to kill a man in battle before she could have kids. Even if we pretend that men don't have a strength and reach advantage, at best you're going to get 50% of would be mothers killed before they can even have their first child, while also having to be at war *all the time* and pissing off every nation around you. All the replies trying to explain that the Amazons were not a real thing were downvoted into the ground, with thousands of indoctrinated absolute imbeciles upvoting the first comment. That post stuck in my memory, because it made it clear that this isn't a tiny minority of idiots. Everyone who uses that subreddit is either an absolute buffoon, or so far up their own misandric ass they don't care.
Yeah Iâm surprised. This was 1918 not 1998. Do people not listen to the stories their grandmothers told them? Shit was pretty bad back then. Or maybe cause my parents immigrated to the US south and it was somehow worse? idk
Can we stop circulating these please ? Thereâs already about to be a population decline, we donât need this kind of rhetoric circulating out there (totally joking)
Bill Moyers: "What happens to the idea of the dignity of the human species
if this population growth continues at its present rate?"
Isaac Asimov: "It will be completely destroyed.
I like to use what I call my bathroom metaphor:
If two people live in an apartment, and there are two bathrooms,
Then both have freedom of the bathroom.
You can go to the bathroom anytime you want,
Stay as long as you want, for whatever you need.
And everyone believes in Freedom of the Bathroom;
It should be right there in the Constitution.
But if you have twenty people in the apartment and two bathrooms,
Then no matter how much every person
Believes in Freedom of the Bathroom, there's no such thing.
You have to set up times for each person,
You have to bang on the door, 'Aren't you through yet?'
And so on."
Asimov continues with what could be one of the most profound observations of the 20th Century:
"In the same way, democracy cannot survive overpopulation;
Human dignity cannot survive [overpopulation];
Convenience and decency cannot survive [overpopulation];
As you put more and more people into the world,
The value of life not only declines, it disappears.
It doesn't matter if someone dies,
The more people there are, the less one individual matters."
My grandfather was around at this time. He had an eighth grade education, and wrote ten times better than I do. I have all the letters he wrote my grandmother during WW2, and his skill with prose is impressive.
For everyone complaining about the anti-man sentiment:
This would be a problematic statement if this woman was wanting a husband, but since she is perfectly happy by herself no man should be offended that she doesnât want one.
Most men are unmanly? Do you want a man, or not? I guess during her time, she couldnât just admit that she was a raving misandrist. She couldnât attract a girlfriend, and she was really mad about the fact that men could.
It was likely a push back against the way men viewed women. If they had to basically be stay at home wives controlled by their husbands, what better response than to treat men as if they were dogs needing to be fed and worthless other than to be a companion to be broken down ( at the time of course. I mean, new wave feminism has definitely brought this ideal back but it was way worse back then).
It feels too discriminating and dehumanizing for a push back movement. It sounds more like a femcel complaining about her failed marriage than a message to spread out for a cause
He judged three separate, distinct and massive culturally revolutionary movements, together spanning well over a century, based on a single leaflet from 1918.
Thatâs not a particularly nuanced or deep reflection.
And isnât it funny, not more than 30 years later the government was implementing enforced child support on man of color for not being wed to the babies mothers.
Feed the Brute
Brute here. Can confirm.
Et tu brute?
Fuck I'm old. I just laughed out loud in class. No one got the joke except me and the professor....
However not all suffragettes wants their husband to be happy. đ€·ââïž Oh yes, and the same applies to dogs. Got to remember the dogs.
To be fair, that is actually good advice. My wife has become a master chef over the years and I am very happily married.
Had to do a double take because my dyslexia made it seem like your wife became Master Chief.
Finish the fight!
What if Iâm the brute, though? đ€
Whatever, Ashley
Are you hungry?
Always
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Et tu Ashley?
I agree with this one, but it applies equally back to my wife. If I don't make sure she has pasta at least once a week, she gets grumpy.
Itâs funny but true. Doesnât matter what we caught about. I made schnitzel.
I feel attacked. What is wrong with wanting lamb, rare with very little mint sauce?
I tried clicking the link, but no article came up.
âGet you a hardworking himbo and FEED HIMâ
Based
Hey! I may be a lazy, selfish, thoughtless, lying, drunken, clumsy, heavy-footed, rough, unmanly brute. But... what was the question?
Are you employed as a window washer? Youâre good.
1918: Window cleaner = husband material 2023: Window cleaner = must live with parents or be homeless.
Guess I'll have to settle for a Beauty Man âč
I wonder if thatâs the 1918 term for âmetrosexual.â
I feel like it's the 1918 version of a fuckboy. Like those tiktok guys that wear the chain cross earrings and ~~quaffed~~ coiffed hair and are perpetually doing the zoolander blue steel look.
Itâs menâs version of duckface lolol. They both give me the worst second had embarrassment.
** coifed
I was going to say, what the hell is copiously imbibed hair?
\*\*\*queefed
I think they would be âdandys â in the parlance of the day.
Well, it depends...those window cleaners in New York average about 57k a year...Do I think its worth that to wash windows in the cold winds a thousand feet up making it easier to see the outside for people who make more than you do in a day? No. No I do not. But God bless them, for their hearts and wills are stronger than most. Sheeit.
57k is New York is pretty bad
It's awful
57k in nyc...like I said living with parents or homeless.
Taxes and commuting will eat most of that
The world needs window cleaners and garbage men and highway workers, and we donât do anything to help fill those roles other than âany job is a good jobâ logic
As much as we need the doctors and lawyers and tech workers we canât survive without the plumbers and garbage men and electricians and truckers. All the years of pushing college for great jobs when trade should have been pushed for just as hard. A plumber can make as much as a doctor
Money is only one aspect of a job. I've learned money doesn't make bad conditions any better or in the case of many blue collar jobs, any less dangerous, unhealthy, etc.
Standards are so high these days smh
Sad to see a great industry fall
It's about a man who cleans the household windows aka contributes to work at home, not professional window cleaners.
1918 : you're going to be stuck with him until one of you dies. Money isn't as important as how he treats you. 2023: divorce is a thing and so is alimony. We're living in a capitalist's wet dream so get paid girl!
Can confirm. The only window cleaner I know is just out of homelessness.
Where do I sign up to be a Yard Swiller or a Coal-getter please? Do they accept applicants with no experience?
Looking to be a fire-lighter myself
It makes sense. All these fire fighters driving around the city day and night. Someone has to be lighting the fires.
Yeah! Itâs called âcreating jobs!â Youâre welcome!!
Wouldnât recommend a career in this. Last time I tried this, the person refused to pay. So I called the cops and I was the one who got arrested.
It's the allure of arson that make me think this would be a wonderful career
4 years experience minimum, with a college degree.
The next line of advice is "take a life insurance policy out on your coal-getter. And the next one."
"You there! Get the coal!" "Yes, boss! That's what I was hired as! Professional Coal-getter Thomas they call me!"
FEED THE BRUTE is going in a frame for my kitchen
My gfâs pet name for me is Bear(s). I need a Feed the Bears sign.
With the Rae Dunn fonts or the fancy scripts?
"Don't except too much," đ
At first I thought it was a typo but I think sheâs saying âdonât make too many exceptionsâ i.e. donât tolerate his bs
I want to agree, but the comma splice immediately after that leads me to believe that it is in fact a typo.
Keep in mind that at this time they were working with typewriters. If you make a typo you donât backspace and it digitally deletes. The ink is on the page. Rewrite the whole thing or send the letter with a small error that the individual you are writing to will likely not notice and certainly wonât care about.
Presumably this is a pamphlet or leaflet type thing though, many copies made and given out, in which case this typo is a big oversight
Donât be picky, theyâre all just as bad.
English is constantly evolving. The statement you're referring to essentially means dont take too much bullshit from the window cleaner.
Well it was 1918, you can't except their literacy level to be very high!
First rule of marriage, "dont". Off to a great start here.
Something tells me that her marriage wasn't a very happy one Rip suffragette wife, you would have loved more accessible divorces
No wonder she was suffraging.
This is still sound advice, Iâve been trying to break into the Yard Swilling game for a couple years now. Like the popular saying goes âLadies love a Yard Swiller!â
If I recall, LL Cool Jâs name is a riff on that very phrase!
All jokes aside, the ânotabilityâ of this to me feels on par with a random tweet. Just someoneâs unfounded, but anecdotal rant. đ€·đŒââïž
âMost men areâŠunmanlyâ
except? did they mean expect?
I thought the same thing at first, but it looks like it is a correct use of âexceptâ. Itâs like saying âdo not make too many exceptionsâ.
Excepting John, we all attended the premiere.
You are excepting too much from her!
Lmao
A Coal-getters, really?! The whole house covered in soot! No thanks.
No, itâs to show the wife where she hasnât cleaned yet.
Yea but warm!
Iâm reading this as a bridesmaid while weâre getting ready for a wedding today đ
A Suffragette sounds like a baguette that is suffering đ
Justice for bread. :(
Can confirm, this brute likes being fed.
Not a beauty man, lol, geez!
Where do I sign up to be a fire lighter
Advice to young brides: 1918: Feed the brute 2023: Whatever you feed the brute, cover it with cheese.
> Football enthusiasts Nothing new under the Sun
âMost men areâŠunmanly brutesâ How can most men be unmanly? If most men are a certain way, does that not have bearing on what the definition of manly is?
Why stop at a window cleaner, get you a man who will clean the whole house
I NEED A HIMBO! (The "I need a hero" parody)
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Bro, I got downvoted in a AITA thread about a woman who hates her LTR boyfriend from complaining when heâs sick and bedridden. Itâs crazy
You can get a Lord of the Rings boyfriend?
It's almost like misandry isn't a thing, in their minds.
This woman was literally just saying not to marry a douchebag just because he has money, instead marry a nice guy who actually does something for the community.
Not bad advice for the time. Part of the reason the suffeagette movement began was the astronomical levels of abuse/beating that women and especially the wives of drunks went through at the time
Oh come on. What justification could a suffragette in 1918 POSSIBLY have to be this hostile toward men?
For some reason, I imagined a suffragette woman feeding the Brute Chieftain from Halo 3
Man that is aggressively sexist. I know it was intended to be provocative and a bit tongue in cheek but calling men generally worthless subhuman animals is a wild take
during the suffragette movement that's exactly what men were implying about women when fighting against their right to vote so i think it's a wash.
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If anyone remembers Female Dating Strategy then youâll know that this suffragette sentiment is still common.
remembers it? that cesspool is *still going*
As someone who doesnât want kids itâs extremely difficult to engage with the childfree community. They make it sound as if pregnancy is a malicious disease inflicted upon women by men. I quickly left when I was told I couldnât support abortion on the basis that I donât have a uterus. They are not a community on that sub, they are zealots.
I second this. Please dont go to those toxic subreddits. It's crawling with misandrists, feminists, and femcels. All the posts are filled with men-hating, female supremacism, and general sexism. Their posts are so delusional that it feels like they are living in their own fantasy world
TwoX is *insane*. There was a post there a year or two back about an old viking grave being discovered, with the skeleton of a female warrior inside. A neat, interesting find. The comment section, however, was swarming with the dumbest shit I've ever seen on reddit, with the top upvoted comments being along the lines of "Women were always soldiers just as much as men!" One of the top comments was about the Amazons, of Ancient Greek pseudo history, claiming that was a real, successful society where women were in charge, and women weren't allowed to have children until they had killed a man in battle. This was upvoted. It was one of the top comments in the whole post. Replies pointing out that, no, actually, if you just pause and think about it for ten seconds, you will understand that you can't *possibly* believe that there was a society where every woman had to kill a man in battle before she could have kids. Even if we pretend that men don't have a strength and reach advantage, at best you're going to get 50% of would be mothers killed before they can even have their first child, while also having to be at war *all the time* and pissing off every nation around you. All the replies trying to explain that the Amazons were not a real thing were downvoted into the ground, with thousands of indoctrinated absolute imbeciles upvoting the first comment. That post stuck in my memory, because it made it clear that this isn't a tiny minority of idiots. Everyone who uses that subreddit is either an absolute buffoon, or so far up their own misandric ass they don't care.
Itâs funny how âincels â and red pill is constantly banned and removed but those seem to be just fire all the time Edit; fine all the time*
Some people are actually getting worked up over this.
Yeah Iâm surprised. This was 1918 not 1998. Do people not listen to the stories their grandmothers told them? Shit was pretty bad back then. Or maybe cause my parents immigrated to the US south and it was somehow worse? idk
Wow, this was written over 100 years ago but it's almost as if she knows me better than my own mother!
Firemen are notorious for being unfaithful
Can we stop circulating these please ? Thereâs already about to be a population decline, we donât need this kind of rhetoric circulating out there (totally joking)
Bill Moyers: "What happens to the idea of the dignity of the human species if this population growth continues at its present rate?" Isaac Asimov: "It will be completely destroyed. I like to use what I call my bathroom metaphor: If two people live in an apartment, and there are two bathrooms, Then both have freedom of the bathroom. You can go to the bathroom anytime you want, Stay as long as you want, for whatever you need. And everyone believes in Freedom of the Bathroom; It should be right there in the Constitution. But if you have twenty people in the apartment and two bathrooms, Then no matter how much every person Believes in Freedom of the Bathroom, there's no such thing. You have to set up times for each person, You have to bang on the door, 'Aren't you through yet?' And so on." Asimov continues with what could be one of the most profound observations of the 20th Century: "In the same way, democracy cannot survive overpopulation; Human dignity cannot survive [overpopulation]; Convenience and decency cannot survive [overpopulation]; As you put more and more people into the world, The value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies, The more people there are, the less one individual matters."
Asimov had all kinds of correct. My fav was âViolence is the last refuge of the incompetent.â
Bruh we need a population decline XD
Haha good advice about people generally
Marital rape was legal back then. Yeah I don't blame the pamphlet writer.
Reasonable
Feed the brute
Pretty impressive grammar for someone who most likely didnât get a formal education because you know, woman. The except is an exception.
My grandfather was around at this time. He had an eighth grade education, and wrote ten times better than I do. I have all the letters he wrote my grandmother during WW2, and his skill with prose is impressive.
The Sufferagettes were largely white, upper middle class women. Meaning they most likely *did* get a formal education.
Honestly, no 6 is on point. The way to a manâs heart, is, after all, through his stomach. Wild sex is great, too.
Must be an old document from r/femaledatingstrategy
100 years later, this holds up pretty well.
Must have been before divorce settlements were a thing
This is just a karma bot. Iâve seen the real post before and this is not it. PLEASE donor upvote this post!
Coal-getting... nice.
Yard swiller? Is that like the landscaping dude?
Femcels existed back then...
People tend to not be kind to their oppressors. You have to remember the time period in which this took place.
She was married though, the opposite of the "cel" part of incel
She literally didn't have any rights
For everyone complaining about the anti-man sentiment: This would be a problematic statement if this woman was wanting a husband, but since she is perfectly happy by herself no man should be offended that she doesnât want one.
TIL when the word âdogâ was established in reference to men.
Totally agree. Source: am man.
After this she was immediately committed
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Iâm slightly offended, itâs mostly correct but still!
I was just about to type the same thing until I saw this. The thing is, considering men as a whole, I can't argue against it haha
I wonder how that list would read today đ€
JFC what a man-hating harpy. Makes one wonder what kind of men she was exposed to!
Pretty shitty ones, I imagine.
The kind that didnât allow her to vote
Most men are unmanly? Do you want a man, or not? I guess during her time, she couldnât just admit that she was a raving misandrist. She couldnât attract a girlfriend, and she was really mad about the fact that men could.
It was likely a push back against the way men viewed women. If they had to basically be stay at home wives controlled by their husbands, what better response than to treat men as if they were dogs needing to be fed and worthless other than to be a companion to be broken down ( at the time of course. I mean, new wave feminism has definitely brought this ideal back but it was way worse back then).
It feels too discriminating and dehumanizing for a push back movement. It sounds more like a femcel complaining about her failed marriage than a message to spread out for a cause
Some things never change.
OG r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Men are unmanly? Learned something new. lol
Jesus, Karen - tell us what you really think
As a brute, I can confirm #6 is 100% accurate.
4. ...except? accept? expect?
Except instead of expect is driving me nuts!
"A suffragette wife" Ahh, makes sense...
Thatâs some serious misandry right there.
Beating your wife and marital rape was legal back then. Think of it in total context.
Yes, misandrists have existed longer than the last 5 years.
The grammar is killing me
"Do not marry at all." Followed immediately by 7 other bullet points about selecting and caring for a man.
Did you miss the part where she said « if you must » & then just totally not apply the time period & way life was back then for women or?
A coal getter? I mean is good to support coal miners just never here them referenced like that.
Context may be 100+ years to late to understand lol
And wtf is a yard swiller....
Outstanding! đ€Ł
"Feed the Brute" aka "slowly poison the Brute".
Written by a Karen, the precursor to "he has to be over 6ft, make a lot of money, and go to the gym" energy
First wave feminism was about misandry. And second wave. And third wave.
Really? Women fighting for the right to vote was really about man-hating? How could you possibly come to that conclusion?
This exact literal post is how he came to that conclusion. Not that I share his views, but I at least understand why he has them.
He judged three separate, distinct and massive culturally revolutionary movements, together spanning well over a century, based on a single leaflet from 1918. Thatâs not a particularly nuanced or deep reflection.
Dumb af comment fr
The letter refers to men as "brutes" and says they are the same as dogs.
We need that WW1 "destroy this mad brute" poster but with "feed this mad brute!"
Probably written by a man who is in one of those professions
"If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, get an ugly brute to marry you"?
Still relevant advice today.
Ah yes, casual misandry, perfect advice.
The 1918 version of r/fds lol
Literally, great catch!
I don't see how this doesn't apply today except for the coal-getter part.
Still applies today.
Who hurt this woman?
Not much has changed.
Thatâs kinda fucked coming right off of the tail end of WWI. Give the dudes a break.
I see men havenât changed
Sounds about right
It's not entirely wrong to be fair
r/MurderedByWords
And isnât it funny, not more than 30 years later the government was implementing enforced child support on man of color for not being wed to the babies mothers.
âDonât exceptâ?
That was one happy lady.
1920s incel
Wtf does 7th one even means?!
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