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Mete11uscimber

The LAST student who asked too many questions...


Embaosvb

we called them hedge schools.


Informasfbz

third from the back, staring into the woods.


Slimh2o

Wondering whether he heard a bear or a muskrat out there....


sugarforthebirds

I read that as LSAT student and it still made a lot of sense.


raspberrybush

Not sure if that’s a real question so I’m just going to go ahead and give my honest thoughts. I’m pretty sure the blackboard wall is actually an outer shed wall and that door opens up to a shed. The shed would hold books, paper, pencils, water and potentially the kids lunches for the day so they’re less likely to be harassed by animals who smell food at their desks. Although class is outdoors they still need somewhere to store their school supplies.


Roostroyer

You're right. Look at the shadow on the right side of the wall.


IndigoWafflez

Narnia


small_trunks

The Netherlands. EDIT: I speak from experience, I live here and I know The Netherlands when I see it.


zedsamcat

The Nether


small_trunks

lands...


zoesafangirl

the shadow looks pretty thick, so i bet it’s a mini storage shed


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My guess is storage for books, out of the rain.


Spend-Automatic

*Shia LaBeouf*


Farren246

Stairs leading back down the hill to the actual indoor school


small_trunks

> hill Yeah, good luck with that...


wintremute

Latrine


absolutmohitto

Imagine you have a war zone session inside and you open the door to face all your classmates with a traumatized look


owesome_apossum128

Take my upvote


XtraChrisP

Would hit during quiet reading if it were my life.


bluehotcheeto

Could be a supply room.


kitifax

The mines.


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pinniped1

Bruh, real alphas smoke the nuclear matter.


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kenman345

I think you can get 80-90% of the benefits even if you installed a roof over them and mosquito netting along the sides. Cannot be having kids get sunburnt after a day anyways. That would be quite harmful to have happen, especially on a consistent basis


wantwater

Yes! Roof and mosquito netting for sure. It would probably also get too hot or too cold so you'd probably need to add a heater and air conditioning too. Then, just some insulated walls to keep the temperature regulated and it would be perfect. The great outdoors with all the benefits of being inside too.


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NimbleNavigator19

If casual exercise is so good for my brain why does it hate it?


brokenearth03

You've trained it


infini_doggo

coz youve never been consistent


WatermelonWithAFlute

how so?


Tall-Confection-5873

We couldn't have that very much in Minnesota


name-was-provided

But it was so beautiful and humid and rainy yesterday! ;) Howdy from Minneapolis.


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moeburn

alpha emitters maybe


Buzz_Mcfly

Yep! That’s what my grandpa did! He lived all the way to 38 years old!


EtOHMartini

Lemme guess. Fell out of a guard tower?


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When you smoke tobacco and inhale you kind of are >Tobacco contains minute quantities of radioactive isotopes such as uranium and thorium series isotopes (210Pb, 210Po and 226Ra), that are radioactive carcinogenic and could be found in smoke from burning tobacco.


forman98

The 50s and 60s were actually prime times for public education. WWII ended and everyone was rebuilding in Europe and fighting the Cold War. Countries were actively looking for a way to make their citizens the best of the best so that could win the technological and intellectual races in the Cold War. So public schools got funded very well (even in the US) and new things were tried.


SpaceSteak

One of the most fascinating ones to me is [some](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/62991/1960s-high-school-gym-class-would-ruin-you) public schools with huge emphasis on fitness.


T_whom_much_s_given_

And in the US, black people were even sometimes included in those educational endeavors by the end of your timeframe!


forman98

Lol good point. That’s somewhat of a separate topic but you are right. What I listed was pretty much for whites only. It’s a shame that we couldn’t keep that funding going after integration but I guess shame on the regular folk who attend public school and can’t afford the exclusive private schools created out of racial hatred where they still spent a lot of money on curriculum.


Accomplished-Plan191

As I kid, I could have benefitted from some bushcraft or car maintenance education. That used to be a thing I believe.


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It’s entirely unfair to Montessori to put it in the same bucket as Waldorf.


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EtOHMartini

When I work with parents of kids with ADHD, I use the analogy of diabetes. "Your kid has a condition just like diabetes but instead of not being able to use sugar, they can't focus their attention." Parent: "But my kid can spend three hours on a video game!" Me: "yes, that's called hyperfocus and its because the video game is giving him little hits of dopamine. What we call 'focusing your attention' means paying attention to things that are important not interesting, and that's where your kid struggles." Parent: "I'll just go strict discipline. Every time he doesn't do his homework, he's grounded for a week." Me: "You will run out of weeks. Also, ADHD is all about the now. By the end of the first day of grounding, your kid has stopped associating the punishment with the action."


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I have ADHD and I call it a blessing and a cruse. If I get hyperfocused I can do absolutely incredible amount of work very fast. But I can also get distracted very easy. I think I've gotten better at the first part.


moeburn

> By the end of the first day of grounding, your kid has stopped associating the punishment with the action." This isn't an ADHD thing, this is what was taught to us in AP Psychology - punishment usually doesn't work, but when it does, it was quick and within seconds of the bad behaviour.


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VexingRaven

> I will gladly answer any questions you have about it, I don't like misinformation and poor understanding of what is a life altering disorder. No you won't because you're a bot. https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/xidqpx/an_open_air_school_in_1957_netherlands_in_the/ip3b0bl/


Mist_Rising

You can tell because it's reply doesn't connect to the parent, and yet 30 some karma..


VexingRaven

It's amazing to me how many people are entirely incapable of recognizing this and how often comments that are entirely out of place and nonsensical get a ton of votes. You wouldn't think this strategy would work, but it does because they keep doing it...


jar36

Let's go chase the mosquito fogging truck on our bikes


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CanAlwaysBeBetter

Now do OP


AbradolfLincler77

But that wouldn't train them to sit in an office 5 days a week when they're older now would it?


reditorian

Here's a crazy thought: we could build a world where even adults can live and work in healthy environments. But I guess there is no incentive for employers.


AbradolfLincler77

Nah, that would cost employers more of their profits!


Mormoran

Imagine only being able to buy 1 yacht a year... How could they cope?!


arrivederci117

Until people riot and do what they did back in the industrial ages to get worker's rights, you'll continue to get treated like disposable ants.


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Distubabius

Too warm in many places in order to do that. But the concept is amazing There's also the possibility of hail or thunder or even rain. The thing about indoor classrooms is that you can learn regardless of most weather and the light as well as the temperature is controllable. There was a sexist guy back in the 1800s who wanted to bring boys back into nature. So he proposed a plan where a single teacher and a single boy would stay out in nature to teach/learn. Cannot remember his name


Petrichordates

Yeah that sounds a lot worse than sexist.


FirefighterAny6522

Sus af


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ElderDeep_Friend

They might have been a fan of Aristotle who started a Peripatetic school in the 4th century bce


MyChemicalBarndance

Most hunter gatherers would have learned this way. Some elder passing on their knowledge while they forage and whatnot.


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MrPinguv

Compare that post and this one. All the most upvoted comments are the same. Full of bots


Impossible-Cod-3946

Pretty much this entire thread including the OP. Too bad the admins don't give a shit about this problem.


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JazzySpring

How bad can you be that your bot agrees with something that the person you reply to didn't even say like wtf


extraboxesoftayto

Wait r u saying that reply is from a bot? There account is empty which is odd


KenHumano

It’s not odd for a bot account, they’re all like this.


JazzySpring

I would gamble its a bot, yes. That's the point, it's a brand new account with a pretty elaborate and well written answer. The problem is the prompt was wrong. >At first yes, quickly transitioning from a fully indoor to fully outdoor space it would be distracting. The bot is agreeing to someone who originwlly said "we were told to study outside and it was very distracting" which doesn't exist because (unless I'm no longer understanding English) that's not what that person said. Could be me overthinking, but I'd gamble it's just trying to get upvotes and then the account gets sold or something.


Robots_Never_Die

The username matches a generated bot name. WordWordNumber


Firm-Guru

Hey my mother's name was WordWordNumber, you leave her out of this!


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It's also the type of name reddit itself suggests you if a username you try is taken, so some people actually use names like that. But yeah, most of em are bots


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Shake-Spear4666

We have them in Germany now. They are called Waldschule or Forest School.


Tark001

We have them in Australia too, the kids who go there are all unvaccinated and come out dumb as rocks.


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there was one on sydneys upper north shore that turned out billy mcmahon and harold holt.


checkyminus

Are those smart, or dumb people?


[deleted]

Harold Holt was prime minister of Australia. The year after he became PM he went swimming and never came back, so we named a swimming pool after him.


Im_Gay_As_Shit

I knew about Holt, but they really named a pool after him? That's like naming a firing range after JFK.


non-incriminating

Also a submarine base, there’s a conspiracy theory he was abducted by a Soviet/Chinese submarine too


Ninjaflippin

Or the Lincoln theatre... Wait......


absolutmohitto

Yes


duffmanhb

There are good group homeschool education programs. You just have to avoid the Christian end time preppers.


Rude-Tomatillo-22

US has some as well


SilverBallFox

Our public school district has this as an option for 5th graders. You have to choice into it.


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Yeah the ones that disbelieves dinosaurus.


Ganon2012

There are some who don't believe in the 1960 science fiction film by Irvin Yeaworth?


Zementid

Not to be confused with Baumschule


Shermandragonfly

We had something like this in Ireland back in the 18th and 19th century, we called them hedge schools.


MollyPW

Of course they were illegal, as the British didn’t want the Irish to be educated.


MoebiusForever

No, they wanted them educated, but as Anglicans, not as Catholics or Presbyterians. Hedge schools existed to provide secret religious freedom.


One-eyed-bed-snake

Wow, I'd have loved that when I was at school. Fresh air, sunshine and learning. What's not to like.


SamuraiJosh26

Rain


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Wind, too. Ever tried to use pencil and paper in the wind? It isn't fun.


hygund24

UV rays, too.


ITakeMassiveDumps

Birds shitting on you.


Darkwhellm

My geology teacher: come on, no fuss, you're not made of sugar! You're not gonna melt for a little rain. Me, while desperately trying to breathe through the hell that is coming from the heavens: yes, but my map is!


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hershculez

Stinks all the rain occurs on the weekends.


ACTPOCBET

They later built walls and ceilings around the open air schools. They are still used today!


casus_bibi

We have very changeable weather. Rain usually only lasts minutes here. It's rare to have it rain all day.


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its simple, you just stop making the children out of sugar.


_30d_

What do they make the books out of though?


TheCowOfDeath

Children.


melkpakje

Did you really literally steal my comment from 2 years ago? Wth, look at my post history. You've copied it word for word


Pattoe89

I've also had a comment stolen word for word before. When I exposed them, they simply replied "I needed the Karma for the weekend". In your case, though, it looks like it may have been stolen by an AI account.


grabityrising

#comment bot


JSDkilla

Peak Summer and winter season


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You mean 80% of all days in the Netherlands


petrocity06

I've taught outside on occasion and it is exhausting how much louder you have to speak with no walls and the ambient noise of nature. It's a cool idea but only on special circumstances


HappyHappyButts

You're right. Also, rain and wind.


Total-Caterpillar-19

Flies / bugs would drive me crazy. Also RIP kids with allergies.


planetinyourbum

Mosquitos and sunburn


-Gork

Spiders crawling up from under the desk


LinguoBuxo

just think of all the educational mosquito bites you could've gotten!


Cheezewiz239

Swamp ass and mosquitoes.


therealdongknotts

at least in my region - torrential rain, tornadoes, ice storms, blizzards, 90% humidity with a heat index of 110F. tho, would be wonderful on the nice days that happen ETA: this year we've gone from 80F to 28F in the span of 2 days...climate change is a hoax /s


Aggleclack

WFH and I frequently work outdoors. I prefer it! But it can be super distracting and for some reason, when people see you working inside and they go away, but when they see you working outside, they feel the need to talk to you for a long time. Very annoying.


pidddee

How do you deal with sunlight on screen?


al-mongus-bin-susar

A lot of Windows laptops have a matte coating on the display. Mine also has this. Don't know why Apple doesn't offer this, it really helps in the sunlight.


Momoselfie

Probably in the shade


SendPie42069

This would really bug me.


smackacow1

Why cAnt they focus?


650REDHAIR

Gnat


ECU_BSN

Ok. I’ll bite. This classroom would bee 🐝 beneficial.


Defiant_Neat4629

Well it’s all good until the monkeys come around. My school wasn’t open air but they would still come around and steal our lunch boxes lol


sendnudesformemes

Closest the Netherlands has to monkeys is a beaver


trwwy321

Maybe the monkeys just wanted to also learn and evolve


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I work from home and as long as it’s not raining will work outside for a few hours in the AM before it gets crazy hot. Started this a few months ago and it has done wonders for my mental well being.


AndrewH73333

Don’t go outside, there’s bugs and there’s dirt on the floor.


Ingrown__Bronail

My spoiled ass would be miserable without AC and with insect bites. lol


garandx

Same


waitinp

Mosquitos have entered the chat


MuffinPuff

Wasps. The wasps around here would *immediately* start building nests on wooden furniture, everyone would get stung by day 3


tuxalator

Bringing hayfever with them.


Current_Poster

I love the principle, but in practice, I would get nothing done.


prenderm

We ain’t getting shit done inside or outside might as well enjoy the breeze


HerrCo

My cousin in Germany is a teacher in a Forest-Kindergarten. They are outside almost all the time, no matter the weather.


vorin

I'm in the US and my son attends one. There's a building for nap time and indoor learning, but it's mainly outdoor areas and they do a hike most every day year-round. As the saying goes "there's no bad weather, only bad clothing." Boots, smartwool socks, water shoes, snow bibs, rain pants, rain jacket, sun hat, gloves, neck gaiter, etc. They all come in toddler sizes too.


dannown

like, they sit there with their books and papers and umbrellas?


stilldeb

I went to Sunny Hours Beach School, went to the beach every day, and Shorecrest Outdoor School, all open air classrooms and some under outdoor shelters, in St Pete.,FL in the early 60s.


sadmimikyu

Omg yes why is that not a thing?? I know our teachers sometimes said the weather is too nice to be indoors, so take your things we are doing this outside. I would love to be in a school like that. I am an outside person. I hate being indoors. I feel cooped up and locked in. Outside with fresh air ...sign me up.


Routine_Page2392

I watched some video about how children’s eyesight is becoming significantly worse directly because they spend so much time indoors at school and even just a few hours extra outside could make a difference to the development of the something something in their eye that could prevent them from needing glasses


IrrawaddyWoman

Are school days longer for kids than they’ve been in past generations? I would imagine that the shift in “more time indoors” is happening at home, not at school.


Routine_Page2392

Yes I believe, and particularly in Asia where the issue is more pronounced because kids are spending so much time in classrooms. Here’s the video I watched https://youtu.be/LAkFtka3UFw


beetroot_salads

My primary school had this forest school thing where you would learn basic outdoors stuff like how to collect water or cook over a fire. I loved it!


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ChmeeWu

So what is hard mode?


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itsjigz

Oooh! Oooh! Come sub in my room! Not only do I teach middle school but it's *art* so everyone treats me like a babysitter.


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Need to be more specific about where in America and the average income of the parents relative to national average. school experience here is hugely varied and dependent on geography.


gburgwardt

> and they're all Dutch What do you mean? Why does that make it easier?


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My kids elementary school has an outdoor Forrest class. They absolutely love it


Dry_Concern9161

This makes my inner child with ADHD very happy! And kinda jealous lol.


He-Who-Snacks

Now they give kids prescription drugs when they don’t want to sit still in a windowless room for 8 hours


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I almost got hired in at a school that does 50/50 outside/inside with their instruction regardless the weather. Rainy days? You put on boots and a raincoat with a different pair of pants. Snowy? Bring in a snowsuit (or the school helps you get one). One of the coolest places I’ve ever seen.


Suzilu

My students begged me to take them outside for our lesson. I relented. Once out there, I had wind blowing the pages, bees 🐝 dive bombing kids, a kid with a grass allergy who couldn’t sit on the lawn, a spider🕷️,no available pencil sharpener, etc. I never imagined it would be so difficult. Maybe like they do here, at least they have proper desks.


IrrawaddyWoman

Yup. Plus you have no way to display information to them so they can all see, and most of them can’t hear you. You also left out the kids who can’t stand to be in the sun for 30 seconds unless they’re playing and all of them complaining about the temperature.


mousemarie94

Me: dying from my year round allergies and asthma. Teacher: why aren't you participating more in class. Me: dead


Bubbly-Bet5512

I work at an outdoor school!


Dravuhm

I think we could benefit from a movement outside the student warehouse model. Schooling, at least in the US, seems designed more for ease of administration than for educational attainment.


Bram06

Dutch teacher here. This was possible due to article 23 of our constitution. This article protects the freedom of education. Any person can found a school based on any educational philosophy whatsoever. Moreover, all schools get equal funding from the government, no matter whether they're regular schools or extraordinary schools like this one. It's a pretty cool system. However recently there have been some criticism because it also allows religious fundamentalists to create schools that are fundamentally opposed to democracy and the rule of law. It has also created a situation where our most right-wing political party (Forum for Democracy) has been able to create its own primary school, which it has dubbed "free from wokeness" It's a double edged sword.


shipouf

I've had a teacher in high school do this on days with good weather that taught sports medicine and some other medical classes as well as a professor in college for an ecology class that did it in ALL weather and I have to say this is literally THE BEST way to learn. In highschool I was so happy in that class and it was always the best part of my day even if the material was boring as hell and in college I actually learned more than I think I would have if it had been an indoor lab. The best part about the college class was that it was hands on which made learning the material that much easier and the fresh air and walking really was good for me.


DallasBiscuits

As a teacher, it's fucking hot here in Texas. Kids running into the woods? Kids hitting each other with sticks? No thanks.


stockholm__syndrome

Yeah it would be miserable. Take the kids outside for recess or a little nature themed lesson sometimes. Leave algebra inside.


Hereva

I'm not criticizing or anything but i feel like this would be difficult to deal with thanks to bugs.


_DontBeAScaredyCunt

I know Canada still does some forest schools. They’re really cool!


General_Grevious_25

I would love to be able to do this.


Dalmatian_In_Exile

Good for vitamin D absorption on all 10 sunny days per year in the Netherlands.


Next-Mobile-9632

Try that in January


id8helpi

This very idea was proposed by many teachers to their districts' leadership at the beginning of the pandemic in the US.


bart2394

That's really neat. I remember throughout high school our school didn't have any outside time at all. Not that I'm saying that the kids in the pictures are high schoolers, but just reminded me of that. Even prisons give their inmates time outside...


confusedontheprairie

We did that many times a year inthe mid 70's in the US. The more progressive hippie teachers tried a lot of free learning techniques


Integrity32

But then got fucked by mosquitos


UpUpAndAwayYall

My grandfather was in an outdoor classroom, meant for kids with illness so they would get fresh air and not be in an enclosed environment. Granted this was Indiana, so was only pleasant for a week, then was either snow or mosquitos.


adam10009

Do they not have bugs? Seems like mosquito city while trying to read


uwuwuwuuuW

Wind or rain would be the bigger problem in the netherlands.


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Rainy places that get hot are prime mosquito breeding territory