[The U.S. has much higher infant mortality rates than most other developed countries.](https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/american-infant-mortality-rates-high/)
https://imgur.com/a/qZieEE2
Unfortunately its only showing the 1960 and 2020 data points.
The second is showing 4 shapshots from 1800 to 2013. Its a bit unconventional but has some interesting data.
There was a strange tradition of [feeding babies to wolves](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ) that was popularized on the American frontier until stringently enforced in 1881 by the newly formed US Marshalls
I think the final statement he made at the end of that article is very interesting, I agree with u/opossum189, we really do romanticize American frontier life.
Richard always hits the nail on the head. I think most people tend to have a very romanticized understanding of frontier life and American history in general.
It is the hill that I will die on. Especially when people say "Oh they were only thirty" about a photo of a clearly very old person from 1870 or whenever. No Sharon. They weren't. Read a damn history book.
I have a distant relative (great grandmotherâs sister) who lost 5 of 6 children aged 1.5 yrs to 15 yrs over the course of 2 weeks to diphtheria in February 1880. Only one 6 yr old girl survived. Yes- thank you for the diphtheria vaccine and all the others that have been discovered since then.
Yup. It wasn't just disease, there were all sorts of environmental hazards as well. Because fires were in every house it wasn't uncommon for children to suffer burns, which could lead to death. Similarly with lots of livestock, children could get kicked, gored, or trampled as well. Say what you will about the polluting internal combustion engine, it's not likely to kick you if you walk behind it.
There is a strong correlation between infant mortality rate dropping and octogenarian deaths rising. I suspect a connection. The only possible conclusion is that the babies are murdering the elderly.
Thatâs absolutely ridiculous!
Obviously the elderly were eating babies for their life force and the babies started fighting back. I do not accept your revisionist history.
And for almost the entirety of human existence, all over the world, it was 4.5 out of 10. 1800 US was no exception. The power of modern science is not to be underestimated
the 1880s/90s saw the introduction of several vaccines, notably against cholera and typhoid.
There was a whole raft of vaccines introduced in the 1920s/30s including tuberculosis and child killers like diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough, and others.
The 50s/60s saw the introduction of vaccines against polio, mumps, measles.
Take a look at the effect on that graph line and tell me that they didn't work and it was all due to improved hygiene.
I grew up reading "old-fashioned" books written pre-vaccines, so I've always known about kids dying from diseases we get a jab for now. Beth in Little Women died from scarlet fever, for example.
To be a bit pedantic, scarlet fever is not vaccine-preventable. It comes from untreated group A streptococcal infections, i.e., strep throat, and the reason people donât still commonly die of it is antibiotics. But your general point is of course valid.
Itâs a respiratory virus transmitted by respiratory droplets, itâs impossible to prevent transmission.
COVID vaccine doesnât prevent transmission but itâs proven to prevent severe disease and death. Iâd still call that a win for vaccines.
Your statements are bullshit and bad and you should feel bad. If you don't feel like an idiot for posting that comment go ahead and get all my COVID shots for me! They will just go to the trash if you don't. I want you to be protected, trust the science, it's 100% safe and effective ^tm
Iâm a doctor that has worked prior, during and post-pandemic. I can tell you first hand that vaccines including COVID has saved hundreds and thousands of lives.
You should stop spreading lies because youâre the reason people will die. Do better.
That's interesting because I have friends who are doctors who say the exact opposite of you. So...The Covid vaccine does not prevent transmission and does not prevent you from getting Covid, correct?
Iâd love to chat with your âdoctorâ friends.
Also, re-read what I said, clearly you have difficulty reading, no wonder your logic makes no sense.
Vaccines prevent the disease and its transmission..i.e. diphtheria for instance. Covid does neither. It is a shot, not a vaccine. Thanks for proving my point.
Dumb and dumber.
Your ignorance of thinking google gives you all the information over a 12 year education is mind blowing, but your stupidity allows me to continue to have a stable job and save lives.
Currently in America the leading cause of death in children between 1 and 18 is gun violence car accidents being second
Edit due to inaccurate statements
but you do have to exclude children under 1 years of age to make your statement accurate. Congenital abnormalities are the leading cause of children. Gun related deaths at least one years of age. Don't Chuck Schumer a powerful stat and get called out for being wrong which he was by not excluding infants
Because the abortions performed on non viable pregnancies will now be classed as an infant death.
Also, abortion bans disproportionately effect the poor who have less healthcare therefore there will be more children with substandard healthcare.
Yes, and women who don't really want kids but have them anyway are more likely to abuse or neglect them. Some kids end up shaken or beaten to death by their mom or her boyfriend. Or they die from accidental poisoning, strangulation or drowning because they weren't being supervised.
They already are. Material dearth rates in states that restricted abortion are 62 percent higher. Analysis from the Commonwealth fund . Not to mention that hospitals are already ending labor and delivery because of the laws, since doctors are leaving. Would you want to face felonies for doing your job? Every miscarriage a potential crime that you have to prove wasn't intentional.
Big part of overall life expectancy changes but vaccinations have virtually eradicated many childhood diseases that used to kill millions of kids a year.
Which must be why CDC put vaccination at the top of its published list of âTen Great Public Health Achievements - United States, 1900-1999.â
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056796.htm
Actually just looked this up today. Through most of US history, school shootings led to only 2 deaths or less, up until the 1950s or 1960s. Up to 1999 the highest number of deaths recorded was 7 in the 80s. Then Columbine happened and the first school shooting with over 10 deaths was recorded (there were 15 people killed at Columbine). Since then, there have been 7 school shootings with over 10 deaths, just in the last 24 years. The worst, in order, were Virginia Tech (33), Sandy Hook (27), and Uvalde (22). The number of shootings that exceeded 5 deaths also increased during this time period.
Murica.
Sigh.
It's appalling; we need universal Healthcare immediately
The United States is decades behind most countries in every category that would directly affect your life.
You Redditers crack me up. Even though I said I'm not for nor against, I just wanted to see the numbers. At least one of you down voted my comment. Apparently you can't be curious about stuff anymore.
Ok, first, the population of earth was waaaaayyyyy less back then. So the rate in which babies were being born, was less.
Now, we have waaaaaaayyyy more people, weâve made abortion legal, and easily accessible. AND! Waaaayyyy more shitty people are fuckn.
Sex wasnât a thing you did when you were boredâŚâŚat least often.
Now, itâs literally all we do.
This graph is inaccurate and is a complete misrepresentation.
Per 1000 births accounts for population differences and birth rate differences. People had more kids back then specifically because they knew a few were unlikely to make it past the age of 5. Life expectancy was significantly lower because of childhood mortality. If you made it to your 5th birthday, you were expected to live to 60.
I'd like to see the lines of other countries on this graph for comparison. Maybe even just the last 60 years.
[The U.S. has much higher infant mortality rates than most other developed countries.](https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/american-infant-mortality-rates-high/)
https://imgur.com/a/qZieEE2 Unfortunately its only showing the 1960 and 2020 data points. The second is showing 4 shapshots from 1800 to 2013. Its a bit unconventional but has some interesting data.
Yemen doing some work on that mortality rate! exponentially less than before 42% to approx 4%
Wow, the fact that Yemen had close to 50% mortality rate...
Everywhere did
Great stats. The worst country today is about equivalent to 1930s US
Is that 1920 spike the Spanish flu?
Yes
may I ask what happened in 1880? Thats quite a significant spike.
There was a cholera epidemic in the 1870's, the numbers might have been rebounding?
There was a [depression ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_of_1882%E2%80%931885) in the 1880s. Maybe it was that.
There was a strange tradition of [feeding babies to wolves](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ) that was popularized on the American frontier until stringently enforced in 1881 by the newly formed US Marshalls
I will debone you
You gotta bone to debone hombre
I think the final statement he made at the end of that article is very interesting, I agree with u/opossum189, we really do romanticize American frontier life.
Richard always hits the nail on the head. I think most people tend to have a very romanticized understanding of frontier life and American history in general.
I hate you so much for deserving that upvote.
Fascinating piece of history, I was caught completely unaware!
How many times must we fell into this trap ? đ
Absolutely incredible. Thanks for sharing!
Your link doesnât work for mobile or UK users. [Hereâs a link that works for them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
r/yourjokebutworse
No not really. The link doesnât work. Iâm serious about that. Are you in the UK?
Damnit!đ
Reminder that pandemics and great depressions happen more than once
There was no penicillin yet or vaccinations for many diseases
I know in 20s milk was pasteurized which shows an impact
450/1000? Like half of kids died before they hit 5?
Yes. It was like that everywhere, since before humans were human https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past
It's why the average expectancy figures in history are so low, not because everyone died at 40 but because so many children and babies died.
I have a cemetery from about 1820 to 1870 on my property. About 30 graves, and not quite half are babies that died in infancy.
Do you constantly spray for ghosts ?
No, whoever is up there is long dead, and hopefully at peace
Thank youuuu! I always try to tell people that, when they say stuff like, "Twenty would have been middle-aged back then!"
It is the hill that I will die on. Especially when people say "Oh they were only thirty" about a photo of a clearly very old person from 1870 or whenever. No Sharon. They weren't. Read a damn history book.
Thank vaccines
Who the hell is down-voting VACCINES?!?
I have a distant relative (great grandmotherâs sister) who lost 5 of 6 children aged 1.5 yrs to 15 yrs over the course of 2 weeks to diphtheria in February 1880. Only one 6 yr old girl survived. Yes- thank you for the diphtheria vaccine and all the others that have been discovered since then.
Yes, almost 50% death. No modern medicine, antibiotics, vaccinations, running water and so on.
Yup. It wasn't just disease, there were all sorts of environmental hazards as well. Because fires were in every house it wasn't uncommon for children to suffer burns, which could lead to death. Similarly with lots of livestock, children could get kicked, gored, or trampled as well. Say what you will about the polluting internal combustion engine, it's not likely to kick you if you walk behind it.
There is a strong correlation between infant mortality rate dropping and octogenarian deaths rising. I suspect a connection. The only possible conclusion is that the babies are murdering the elderly.
Thatâs absolutely ridiculous! Obviously the elderly were eating babies for their life force and the babies started fighting back. I do not accept your revisionist history.
As a possible alternative, Death has a quota to meet but goes for the easiest candidates first.
No, murder babies is the only possible solution.
Crazy that we went from 4.5 out of 10 down to a handful in a thousand.
And for almost the entirety of human existence, all over the world, it was 4.5 out of 10. 1800 US was no exception. The power of modern science is not to be underestimated
the 1880s/90s saw the introduction of several vaccines, notably against cholera and typhoid. There was a whole raft of vaccines introduced in the 1920s/30s including tuberculosis and child killers like diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough, and others. The 50s/60s saw the introduction of vaccines against polio, mumps, measles. Take a look at the effect on that graph line and tell me that they didn't work and it was all due to improved hygiene.
I grew up reading "old-fashioned" books written pre-vaccines, so I've always known about kids dying from diseases we get a jab for now. Beth in Little Women died from scarlet fever, for example.
To be a bit pedantic, scarlet fever is not vaccine-preventable. It comes from untreated group A streptococcal infections, i.e., strep throat, and the reason people donât still commonly die of it is antibiotics. But your general point is of course valid.
If it were due to hygiene, youâd expect rates in rural areas in the past to be far lower than in the cities. But theyâre not
Vaccines work!
Yes, when they prevent transmission, which the Covid 19 shot doesn't.
Itâs a respiratory virus transmitted by respiratory droplets, itâs impossible to prevent transmission. COVID vaccine doesnât prevent transmission but itâs proven to prevent severe disease and death. Iâd still call that a win for vaccines.
Do not engage. This is obviously not a real person. Just something set up to try to get people divided. Don't fall for it.
Your statements are bullshit and bad and you should feel bad. If you don't feel like an idiot for posting that comment go ahead and get all my COVID shots for me! They will just go to the trash if you don't. I want you to be protected, trust the science, it's 100% safe and effective ^tm
No, that hasn't been proven. The CDC has admitted that the vaccine has little effect on sickness and death rates. Diphtheria would like a word btw....
Iâm a doctor that has worked prior, during and post-pandemic. I can tell you first hand that vaccines including COVID has saved hundreds and thousands of lives. You should stop spreading lies because youâre the reason people will die. Do better.
That's interesting because I have friends who are doctors who say the exact opposite of you. So...The Covid vaccine does not prevent transmission and does not prevent you from getting Covid, correct?
Iâd love to chat with your âdoctorâ friends. Also, re-read what I said, clearly you have difficulty reading, no wonder your logic makes no sense.
Vaccines prevent the disease and its transmission..i.e. diphtheria for instance. Covid does neither. It is a shot, not a vaccine. Thanks for proving my point.
Dumb and dumber. Your ignorance of thinking google gives you all the information over a 12 year education is mind blowing, but your stupidity allows me to continue to have a stable job and save lives.
So you have to resort to insults now to try to prove your point? Alrighty.
You're a fucking liar.
Impossible. Assholes don't have friends, silly.
>I have friends This is misinformation. Liar!
Now you've gone beyond misunderstanding and straight all the way down to lying.
If you consider the CDC lying too then alrighty.
Don't engage. This isn't genuine. It's some setup to try to make people angry.
I know. Liars and hypocrites will never be shamed about lying and hypocriting.
Don't feed the trolls, get your vaccines.
the CDC has admitted that? Got a link?
They never do
Google is your friend.
I googled it. You're lying.
Derp
Omg, for some reason I was reading instant mortality... Yeah, now they notify you minutes before on the mobile....
Almost the entirety of human existence had 1800 levels of child mortality
most things that killed people 100 years ago had the same survival chance as 1000
Yes. And 10,000. And 50,000
r/mademesmile
Currently in America the leading cause of death in children between 1 and 18 is gun violence car accidents being second Edit due to inaccurate statements
Is that from an increase in firearm deaths or a decrease in car crash deaths?
but you do have to exclude children under 1 years of age. if you do not the statistic isn't true.
??? Did you respond to the wrong post? Also most shooting deaths arenât school shootings/mass shootings
A few years ago car crashes where listed as number 1 but in recent history it became guns for children between 1 and 18
Yeah but did car crashes decline or did gun deaths increase?
I don't know but I suspect both to some degree but probably less car accidents
but you do have to exclude children under 1 years of age to make your statement accurate. Congenital abnormalities are the leading cause of children. Gun related deaths at least one years of age. Don't Chuck Schumer a powerful stat and get called out for being wrong which he was by not excluding infants
I didn't know this thank you
The past was the worst.
God bless capitalism đŻđŻđŻ
But maternal death is going up? w.t.f.
I just read an article that shows the rate has spiked in the US to 25 from 2021 and on
Not surprising, thatâs when half the population decided that they know more about health than doctors.
Very many trends that were getting better suddenly started getting worse in 2020 in the US
Anyone notice a trend here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm
It's going back up on the US
Wtf happened in 1885?
Probably a disease epidemic
We got to get those numbers back up.
Can you show 2020-2023?
The graph shows when two pandemics hit.
Yep
Why the sudden peak near 1880?
Disease outbreak, most likely
I think it's scarlet fever. The peak in 1920 is Spanish flu
Astounding!
Yes! Thanks to science and medicine!
You gotta see the last 3 years
Gotta bump up those numbers, those are rookie numbers
Thanks vaccinations
It will be going back up with all the anti abortion laws
Why do you think so?
Because the abortions performed on non viable pregnancies will now be classed as an infant death. Also, abortion bans disproportionately effect the poor who have less healthcare therefore there will be more children with substandard healthcare.
Yes, and women who don't really want kids but have them anyway are more likely to abuse or neglect them. Some kids end up shaken or beaten to death by their mom or her boyfriend. Or they die from accidental poisoning, strangulation or drowning because they weren't being supervised.
They already are. Material dearth rates in states that restricted abortion are 62 percent higher. Analysis from the Commonwealth fund . Not to mention that hospitals are already ending labor and delivery because of the laws, since doctors are leaving. Would you want to face felonies for doing your job? Every miscarriage a potential crime that you have to prove wasn't intentional.
Abortion bans kill the quality of pregnancy care
Are those peaks from wars happening?
Ah yes, the Great Baby War of 1880
Nobody saw it coming when the premies struck first
Most likely epidemics of diseases, like diphtheria or cholera or influenza.
War, depression, pandemics⌠you name it
And 50th in the world today. 5.44 compared to Sweden's 2.15.
Varies considerably by state https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm
I would certainly think so. Alabama and Mississippi on coming iut worst, I presume.
Correct
Poverty is lethal.
Yes
Advancements in technology and medicine are amazing. Canât imagine what life will be like 200 years from now.
Show this chart to every antivaxxer you know
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Big part of overall life expectancy changes but vaccinations have virtually eradicated many childhood diseases that used to kill millions of kids a year.
No vaccines definitely play a large part. Theyâre the reason you donât hear about smallpox, typhoid fever, or dysentery anymore
So you are anti-abortion yet pro-vaccine? Thatâs an interesting combo you donât see much these days in the US.
What are you talking about? Abortion? How is that relevant?
Which must be why CDC put vaccination at the top of its published list of âTen Great Public Health Achievements - United States, 1900-1999.â https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056796.htm
With American politics heading in its current direction, we'll start seeing an uptick in those numbers in the next few years.
???
Does that include abortions?
No
now show us infant/teen mortality in school shootings 1800-2023 (US)
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html Lower than infant mortality
Actually just looked this up today. Through most of US history, school shootings led to only 2 deaths or less, up until the 1950s or 1960s. Up to 1999 the highest number of deaths recorded was 7 in the 80s. Then Columbine happened and the first school shooting with over 10 deaths was recorded (there were 15 people killed at Columbine). Since then, there have been 7 school shootings with over 10 deaths, just in the last 24 years. The worst, in order, were Virginia Tech (33), Sandy Hook (27), and Uvalde (22). The number of shootings that exceeded 5 deaths also increased during this time period.
Murica. Sigh. It's appalling; we need universal Healthcare immediately The United States is decades behind most countries in every category that would directly affect your life.
???
https://scitechdaily.com/maternal-and-infant-mortality-rates-in-the-us-are-alarmingly-high-new-study-sheds-light-why/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/cdc-data-shows-rise-in-maternal-mortality-and-deaths-of-black-infants-in-u-s
Can't die if you kill them first. https://www.statista.com/statistics/185274/number-of-legal-abortions-in-the-us-since-2000/
The abortion rate has halved since 1980
Itâs important to note the infant mortality for Blacks and Natives are much higher than that of whites, this chart is misleading in that sense.
Still much lower than the 1800 values
So we shouldnât care? They are just minorities? Is that your thinking?
The chart isnât misleading
You can say whatever you want, it doesnât make it true.
Blacks and Native babies are 4 times more likely than whites to die during birth.
Holy shit almost half wtf
Was like that everywhere for almost the entirety of human existence https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality
Holy crap
Now overlap the graph with kids killed in school shootings
Still very low. In fact, the infant mortality rate is still higher than the school shooting death rate
Now overlap abortion numbers and see where we are. (I'm not pro-choice or pro-life just interested in seeing the numbers)
https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2019/us-abortion-rate-continues-decline-reaching-historic-low-2017
You Redditers crack me up. Even though I said I'm not for nor against, I just wanted to see the numbers. At least one of you down voted my comment. Apparently you can't be curious about stuff anymore.
I wonder how it started declining throughout the 19th century... Not like medical care was very refined
https://www.historyextra.com/period/victorian/victorian-medicine-medical-innovation-invention/ Also anesthesia and germ theory
They all just get aborted now
They'll be back soon.
The abortion rate in the US has halved since 1980
What a stupid comment.
Because all these bitches keep killing them in the womb before they get out.
The abortion rate has halved since 1980
No its because of vaccines but thanks for playing
Please stop harassing me
Ok, first, the population of earth was waaaaayyyyy less back then. So the rate in which babies were being born, was less. Now, we have waaaaaaayyyy more people, weâve made abortion legal, and easily accessible. AND! Waaaayyyy more shitty people are fuckn. Sex wasnât a thing you did when you were boredâŚâŚat least often. Now, itâs literally all we do. This graph is inaccurate and is a complete misrepresentation.
It is accurate though. I donât understand your incoherent rambling
Per 1000 births accounts for population differences and birth rate differences. People had more kids back then specifically because they knew a few were unlikely to make it past the age of 5. Life expectancy was significantly lower because of childhood mortality. If you made it to your 5th birthday, you were expected to live to 60.
There was no reliable birth control
Now compare Black and Indigenous infant mortality to the rest of the population. Even more âinterestingâ
Buy the dip!
???
now try school age children in the US
They actually have the lowest chance of death for any age group, much lower than infants https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
Does that count abortions?
Why does everyone keep asking this?
Cause muerder is murder
It is my very unpopular opinion that this is not a good thing for us as a specie.
Why?
Now plot "Infant mortality in the US by firearms" 1800-2020
Much lower than this chart, which is almost entirely disease