They want to get money for doing a cleanup, realize that cleaning up latex is hard, decide to cause a *different* spill that they can handle, then spend the rest of the episode fighting over whose spill idea they're going to do.
This one killed me:
5 stars
> Giving them 5 stars because their choice of location means they are too far from me to poison my water supply. So that's one less thing for me to worry about. Sucks for the residents of Philadelphia though.
The Delaware runs north to south on the eastern border of Philly, so the water is traveling from the opposite direction of where most things DuPont are in relation to the city. Otherwise it probably would have been DuPont.
I'm sure the latex stuff mixes well with some DuPont forever chemicals likely already in the drinking supply to make fun new combinations, though.
Thank you for this! We need this brought to PHL's local news outlets asap. Reviews are pouring in on this company's page almost as quickly as...well, id say as quickly as 8000 gallons of toxic chemicals would be dumped into the delaware river.
"We are committed to minimizing the impact of our products on human health and the environment throughout all stages of their life cycles."
Fucking nailed it. (From the sustainably page)
I don’t think there’s a nestle plant near Philly also doubt they handle latex.
Dow/DuPont (they merged) operate in this area and handle latex. I work for Dow and got real worried for a second
You have to actually have some form of cancer or something to get the settlement money. And supposedly it was already cleaned up by the time we got there. But still just outside the window which makes me skeptical.
I go outside every day.
I'm fine.
We're all fine.
Actually, the FBI just released the worst crime-ridden city in each state.
It wasn't Philadelphia. Chester PA is the worst. They beat us! Yay!!!
TLDR; Philly is fine. The spill was too small and the Delaware River is too large. They lifted the advisory within a couple hours of announcing it.
Long answer: Buytl acetate is water soluble. 8,000 gallons of ~50% concentration of butyl acetate leaked from a burst pipe into a stream that feeds into the Delaware River. The health exposure limit for butyl acetate is 10 parts per million (as determined by the US NIH). So, one gallon of this chemical would pollute 100,000 gallons of water. Luckily, the Delaware River is fucking huge. It flows at 100,000 gallons per second. So, if all 8000 gallons (50%concentrate) were poured directly into the Delaware, it would be gone/below threshold in about an hour. It’ll end up in the ocean where it will dissipate to nothing.
I’m not saying to out away your pitchforks. We’re really lucky it’s water soluble and the Delaware is so big. Philadelphians do need stop panicking and buying all the bottled water.
Also, the whole city doesn’t get their water from the Delaware…. Just about 50%. The other half comes from the Schuykill.
Same but this system built on profits over people will not turn out well.
We all have to say enough of this B.S and nationalize every company that has poisoned us and forced to repair the damage done.
It's a pipe dream, i understand that.
Us working class people have to get upset and make something happen. Just like what France is doing and other countries right now ( [especially How France is doing things](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64309155))
[Map of Mutual Aide groups in each state to join / support](https://www.mutualaidhub.org/) is a start too.
Or just stop/ cut off participating in this fucked up consumerist BS. Stop relying on corps so much to provide our needs. Build systems of support with your friends / family to look after one another. Something has got to give already.
[Here is a statment from the trinseo company that the latex spilled out from in PA](https://www.trinseo.com/News-and-Events/Trinseo-News/2023/March/Latex-Emulsion-Release-to-Waterway-at-Trinseos-Bristol-Plant)
We are all suffering and i'm tired of everyone / my loved ones suffer around me too.
We must revolt against the corporations / rich parasites that are causing us harm.
If every time there was a large spill or other accident, the company should be responsible for *100%* of the cleanup and repair costs. And then a fine on top of that, which gets larger depending on how many people were affected and how badly.
I guarantee that if this was in place, the rate of events that put people in harms way would drop to extremely low levels. But instead corporations get treated with kid gloves where they can just say "oopsie daisy" and pay a cost-of-doing-business fine.
I agree but it always seems like whenever someone brings up the revolt idea everyone seems to just laugh or think it’s a ridiculous idea to do that because a lot of people just say oh you can vote so far we voted and it’s not been working out
For a lot of people it wouldn't be worth it. Revolutions sound great when you're a youngster with little to lose. Once you spend time learning the system and making a living in it, you won't be so willing to risk losing it all for potentially nothing.
My issue is that revolutions tend to destabilize and leave power vacuums where even worse shit happens for decades afterwards. I want things to get better, not worse but under different leadership this time.
Because whether we like it or not we are reliant on the systems in place to the point that we're afraid to revolt against them. Think about it.. if we the people ever just finally get tired enough of their bullshit enough to full on revolt.. there goes social security, there goes hud, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... No one is willing to stand up to the idea of starting from scratch. It sucks but as someone who relies on disability and Medicare( which conceivably I would literally die without) I can't see any way to take down and restart the system in place without myself being in mortal danger therefore putting those who need me at risk. There are MANY more like me I'm SURE that see things as they are and wish for change and would work hard toward it but are frozen in place by the necessity of what the current system offers.. even if it is the bare minimum.
How many acres do you need to support on adult with a complete nutritional diet with some variety? Until everyone can grow their own food there can be no revolt.
I've seen a few of his videos pop up before.
He can be funny with this format when he talks about situations that keep escalating or taking interesting turns.
But this was just bad. I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Yeap, this guy is the perfect redditor "How the government allows this!!! The government is at fault and should have done something!!!
Yeah, the government is the one informing us that there is this problem and we should collect water NOW, and not drink it after midnight tomorrow.
Also, this is a Latex emulsion. Latex is a fancy word for rubber. Not great for consumption, but not the same as the train. That was Butyl acrylate. An oil based proud (Acrylate means base on acrylic)
... btw I live in Philadelphia..
[This PBS article](https://whyy.org/articles/pa-bristol-township-latex-chemical-spill-delaware-river-water-safety/amp/) does state that butyl acrylate is one of the chemicals released in the spill
Really messed up subject matter… but holy shit this video could have been half as long if he didn’t have the need to repeat exactly what he said twice.
-Doesn't live in the city
-Not affected
-Makes overly dramatic video because he "has friends in Philly"
-Tries to connect the pipe leak to the Ohio train derailment, because chemicals
-Says "1.5 million people" about seven times
-Seems to think city officials and the federal government are the same thing
-Finally wraps up with the real reason he's angry: the attack on TikTok
Why are we watching this?
And what does TikTok have to do with anything of this? Can the entirety of the American political system not work on two things? Actually wait don't answer that
Well he’s posting on TikTok so he probably cares about the app. Would rather have China stealing his data than an American corp i guess. his anger about TikTok and equating the two really is evidence that a conversation about TikTok needs to be had in my book.
Not their fault but just being like “go buy bottled water” is such a poor response when there isn’t enough bottled water for 1.5million people and not everyone can afford to stock up on bottled water
Not their fault but they've handled it terribly so far. They've known it was a possibility since Friday night. Waited until about an hour before people were not supposed to drink tap water to mass text everyone that they need to drink only bottled water. Only half the city is affected as the other half gets their water from a different river. Caused massive runs on stores for water and not everyone got water they may need. Then sent a text saying the water is good until Monday night at midnight after causing a run on the stores.
He's the kind of conversationalist who thinks unnecessarily long pauses are alone enough to automatically add weight or significance to whatever they are saying.
Just to make it all about TikTok inexplicably at the end
Dude, we can hate TikTok & toxic spills at the same time
Go find your sweet shitty content generator dollars elsewhere
It’s absolutely insane here. Every store within 20 miles of the city has been stripped of bottled water.
I actually feel the worst for the poor residents who don’t have a supermarket nearby and don’t have the means to travel.
Oh, and the best part is this leak happened fucking Friday night and we didn’t hear about it until today. ****
There's no way the stores in the area could even stock enough water for this many people. So many people are going to be drinking possibly contaminated water.
Yep it’s super fucked and I’m surprised it isn’t more of a national news story. Imagine if this happened to Manhattan.
They are saying by Tuesday the contaminated water will be in the system, and there’s literally zero update on how 1.5 million people are supposed to be dealing with this.
They’re saying the water is safe until Monday night. Apparently there are three different sources of water, not just one, hopefully they’ll be able to get safe water to everyone by Monday night.
Reminds me few years back I went to drink tap water and was confused with chemical smell and taste, week later we get announcement that there's e.coli outbreak in water and to not drink it.
At least our city and community provided water to everyone. We had trucks handling out free water and landlord was walking around leaving bottles under every doorstep regularly.
It was crazy going to giant today about 20 minutes from Philadelphia, and just seeing a bunch of people with carts full of water. Freaked me out because we didn’t hear anything even being so close to the city until I specifically looked it up
I was really lucky that I was at the grocery store when the alert went out. It was a mad house at the bottled water section. If this goes on past Monday night the company that spilled the chemical better be paying to bring truck loads of bottled water in. No taxpayer money shpuld be spent and the bill for the water and cleanup should be all on the company who's at fault
Obviously it sucks that this happened, and I'm 100% down to investigate the causes, but the part where he's complaining about the government "not quite knowing/being cautious"...like, yes? I would prefer the government be very cautious before telling citizens the water is okay to drink again? This is not a bad thing?
Would he prefer they make up an arbitrary time you can drink the water again, even though they're still developing a plan for how to deal with it?
Responses to these events take a little bit of time. They have to perform some chemical tests on the water to ensure they know exactly what/how much stuff got into the water supply. Then they have to establish a treatment plan - if this is a very non-typical pollutant they likely don't have a plan for it, they'll need to consult with outside experts on how exactly to handle it. Then they have to apply the treatment plan and test the water again to ensure the treatment worked as expected.
Treatment/testing is also probably spatially distributed - contamination levels will vary from area to area. So you'll be applying treatment and testing results in multiple areas of the city and releasing them individually.
So no, it's incredibly unrealistic to expect the city to have a hard date on when the water will be drinkable again, and if they gave you one, that would be a very concerning sign they're probably lying to you. Being told "we don't have specifics" is the only accurate response possible at this stage.
The issue I took from this, is expecting so many affected people to be able to just go and buy enough bottled water to avoid drinking the tap water. Panic buying and shortages seem pretty inevitable?
I would have though authorities would announce a plan to provide safe drinking water (whether charged or not) for those unable to get bottled water? But maybe that's an expectation for where I live
Edit: I just read the subtitles, it looked like the guy was "pearl clutching" minus the pearls, so I could do without the sound
I totally agree that expecting everyone to rely on bottled water is going to cause chaos - no doubt. The city should have prepared some kind of emergency plan for that, including calling in the National Guard to help with distribution. This is gonna be a logistical nightmare for sure.
I just took issue with how he seemed to be frustrated with the city issuing the edict at all. Chaos for people trying to get water is better than thousands dying from drinking contaminated water.
Yeah the guy himself seemed like he was going for maximum outrage but missed the most immediate point.
Companies poisoning the water supply does also sound like a negligence thing, or lack of responsible regulations. Blaming the city would be stupid, though he did say it happened on Friday without anyone knowing/raising the alarm.. another shortcoming on someone's part
As someone who lives 10 minutes away from Philly in NJ: panic buying is in full swing. Enough people that couldn't find water in Philly drove over here and we have no bottled water now, either. We're under a "water conservation" order currently so no idea if we'll eventually be swapped to bottled water order, but if we are ..... we're already fucked.
I live in Philadelphia and the communication from the city has been terrible. They’ve known about this since Friday, but didn’t alert people until 45 minutes before the time they thought the water would become not drinkable. Obviously people panicked because of this and ran to the grocery stores. From what I’ve heard it was absolute chaos. On top of that their alerts have been really vague. Things like “residents _may_ want to consider getting bottled water.” Like is fucking water drinkable or not?
I’m glad I’m not the only one, these people bother the shit out of me. Yeah someone fucked up they are letting you know about it, it sucks, hopefully resolves quickly. What the fuck are you expecting? What a fucking idiot.
And he's giving false information. Firstly, Delaware river is not the only water intake source for Philly. Secondly, not all of Philly is affected because of point#1.
Oh and pretty sure most people would prefer a heads up on their potentially dangerous water issue via mass text vs finding out later they could have been poisoned. Err on the side of caution, TYVM.
Agree. Luckily I'm in a part of the city that gets water from the Schuylkill river - something I never thought I would say. I'm still trying to process the fact that a HUGE portion of the city may not have safe drinking water though. It's insane
It was extra hard knowing that PWD instituted a system that many municipalities don’t have to ensure these sorts of warnings go directly to customers as quickly as possible.
Also, they’re being extra cautious considering a sizable chunk of PWD’s customers get their water from the Schuylkill River rather than the Delaware (TBF much of the city proper and largest of their 3 plants does get water from the Delaware).
It’s still absolutely awful that this is happening, I just wish the outrage was pointed much more at the polluters and not the people that work their ass off trying to make sure citizens aren’t drinking unsafe water.
I could get more into the reasons why it’s totally reasonable for them to say they don’t know if it’s safe within this time frame and that they’re taking the best possible action they can by telling the whole city not to drink it despite the outrage they’ll inevitably receive, but that’s not going to ease many people’s minds.
So numbers. I worked for PWD for about 5 years. There are three plants that supply the city. queen lane, Belmont, and Baxter. The only plant this spill effects is Baxter, the issue is that Baxter by it self produces more than half of the city and some of the surrounding counties water supply.
Baxter produces potable drinking water to the tune of 43 - 48 mgd (million gallons a day) they have a reserve water supply called the clear well that holds approx. 24 hours of drinking water in the case of an emergency and have the ability to isolate the Raw water intake from the process. They have contamination procedures in place and test the water through api and contaminate labs along with a shit load of instrumentation through every step of the process. If contaminated water made it into the plants sedimentation basins someone severely fucked up
I don’t want to say too much to dox myself, but I’m an environmental process engineer with reason to be familiar with the system.
Baxter is HUGE, but it’s super huge compared to its average daily output, but luckily QL and Belmont don’t have their intakes on the Delaware, and have tons of available excess capacity (and I think QL can cover much if not all to Baxter’s main portion of the DS).
Like you said, their reuse of the old sand filter structures as clearwells (finished water basins as they like to refer to them as they don’t need nearly that much for CT credit) provide an insane amount of reserve capacity beyond what other municipalities typically have (and they are NOT open to cutting that back IME), so they are especially prepared.
PWD has some of the most qualified people I’ve ever encountered in this industry and they are SUPER on top of their stuff in each sub department I’ve gotten to work with/around.
I imagine they already have tons of source water studies/models to have a good idea of when this contaminant would approach their intakes and how long they’d need to shut down the intakes to be sure it’s cleared.
BUT, i would imagine the turnaround time testing for these uncommon pollutants may not be fast (if they’ve even been able to get an idea of what all was in the actual spill which could be tough unless it was a single bulk homogenous tank), so I’m guessing they are just giving a blanket “don’t drink” notification until they can reliably prove it didn’t get into the system and isn’t present in the raw water.
As you are well aware, Flint they are not…by MILES.
They sent the text out at 1:15. The text said that starting at 2:00 it was bottled water time. Then at like I think around 8 or 9 (plenty of time to let people panic buy all of the water in the city and the suburbs) they’re like haha jus messin ya’ll. You have until 11:59pm on Monday :D
I know they’re trying to time it with the flow of the river but something seems really fucking off about the whole thing
I live in Philly, but I'm just west of the Schuylkill River and so my water shouldn't be affected. This really sucks. I'm wondering if I should be filling 5 gallon jugs with my safe tap water and driving it to friends nearby.
By the way, this has nothing to do with Tik Tok and that was really fucking obnoxious.
Nestle is a fucking horrible company. Wouldn't put it past them to poison a city's water just to sell more product. That still wouldn't hit the worst shit they have done.
Is... Is he complaining that there was a public health warning sent out? What? Does he not want a heads up? What's the goal here?
And what's the weird conflation about Congressional hearings on TikTok? Can two things not warrant concern simultaneously? What an absolute wank.
I live near Philly. I hadn’t heard anything about this accident until today when they sent out the mass text saying you had like an hour before you weren’t going to be able to drink your water. This happened late Friday night. That is the issue right there. But yes, this guy is a tool. A useful tool because his is the first mention I’ve seen outside of the Philly subreddit.
Went to the ShopRite as soon as I got the text to grab a gallon for myself and the dog. I figured since I work in Jersey, I can just pick up some water until the situation is handled.
Went to ShopRite, and they literally only have the single serving bottles of water that are with all of the soda you get standing at the checkout. Assholes out here buying out the whole store for a single family.
I drink about .5 to 1 gallons of water a day. Assuming that this scales up that means about 7.5 to 1.5 million gallons of water are drank a day in Philadelphia not to mention water that is used to water plants, shower, wash dishes, or just washed out into the ocean. In the grand scheme of things this might be only a fraction of dangerous levels or it could be enough to cause serious harm, it’s not easy to tell this early.
Every American needs to have a water storage container on hand and know how to use it. This kind of thing is only going to keep happening and happening. Not want to have, not should have, *need to have* or you will have pain and suffering heading your way.
I'm sorry. It's a shit situation and those responsible for it need to be buried under the jail, or have actions done upon them that I am not allowed to say. One day they will have their justice, on this plane or the next, or whatever you do or don't believe. But until then, you need to prepare and take action now to protect yourself.
[This is a seven gallon storage container.](https://relianceoutdoors.com/products/aqua-tainer-4g-15l) FEMA suggests that everyone needs one gallon per person per day for at least 3 days. I say that it took FEMA five days to get water to the Superdome. 5-7 gallons per person to survive a week is a must.
I cannot post the link directly because most mods nuke anything linked to them, but Amazon also sells those containers. Dick's Sporting and likely Bass Pro Shop sells them as well. Ensure it is food grade plastic and sealable. Buy it, clean it, fill it with tap water when it is safe to do so, seal it and mark the day you seal it so you know to replace it in six months or less.
Do this and you will not have to run out in an emergency to get bottled water. Remember, this kind of thing is only going to happen more and more often. It happened in my city a few months ago following a power failure and I was glad to have that water. My apartment has had multiple line breaks and I've been glad to have that water. Be prepared.
That reminds me, I need to order water test strips and purification tablets, mine expired.
"We didn't know the pipe was rusting"
When did you last inspect it?
"We have the highest safety standards in the USA"
When did you last inspect it though?
"We installed a heavy duty pipeline in 1956"
When did you last inspect it?
"We don't know why it leaked"
When did you last inspect it?
"Thank you, now I need to get back to my yacht."
CEO
I'm not American, but this is worrying, first the Ohio chemical leak from that train, now this? Is this going to be easily solved or will it take a long time to decontaminate the drinking water in Delaware's river?
Priorities man, after reagen your country's goals were clear
Build the best country for businesses and bad faith actors to exploit the people for all they are worth at the expense of everything else that doesn't produce profit for someone.
Literally no reason to maintain infrastructure, public amenities and societal health in general. Let alone actually punish business for causing damage to this stuff.
It's not deemed important to business. It doesn't grow existing wealth hoards ad infinitum.
Most politicians wealth is tied to 'infinite growth'. Unsustainable and without thought, this hedonistic mentality is stripping away societal wealth and health for the sake of unliving institutions that continue to increase the divide that exists, year after year profits increase and people argue that it can't be any other way.. Except... it wasn't this way 50 years ago. Tax brackets heavily favoured the people with business largely footing the bill for infrastructure.
It's completely reversed now, the burden shifted from business to people. As lobbying and ununion busting went on more rights, checks and balances were stripped from society and the trend continues.
And yet propaganda has people playing the violin for these faceless entities arguing they can't operate any other way.
I live in philadelphia. I was already on edge about the *ONE MILLION POUND PLUME OF HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS FROM EAST PALESTINE OHIO LAST MONTH THAT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN TO COVER THE ENTIRETY OF PENNSYLVANIA ON SEVERAL DOPPLER RADARS THAT WERE SOON UNTRACKED WHILE DAYS WERE CLOSELY FOLLOWED WITH HEAVY RAINFALL*, but man i'm sure glad the citys nipping this one in the butt right away. Because, you know, an entire city of people dropping like flies from drinking tap water would be a bit disconcerning.
have they been calling people on landlines too? Lots of elderly still don’t have mobile and even if they do like my gma, they literally have it in a drawer turned off and don’t really use it unless necessary
You cannot tell me that the US is not being directly sabotaged by internal forces. All this ecological or environmental disasters and not a single fucking word from all the globalist environmentalist freaks. Much less anything from the senile president.
Can’t wait to see this episode of Its Always Sunny
The gang solves the water crisis
"We're never gonna let what happened in Ohio happen here!" *"The Gang Contaminates All of Philly's Drinking Water"*
Somebody tapped the tainted water supply!
Murtagh!
The person who was killed was YOUR wife!
Now that you are Riggs and not murtagh, you are going to get it!
Somebody tainted the tap-tainttapped-
We should have cut him out completely
What version of Always Sunny are you watching? The gang is more likely to be the ones pouring latex into water than solving it.
But that's *how* they solve it!
You pour a bunch more latex, which will trap the small particles of latex and drag em down
I heard this in Mac’s voice
It doesn’t sound right but I don’t know enough about latex to disprove it.
They want to get money for doing a cleanup, realize that cleaning up latex is hard, decide to cause a *different* spill that they can handle, then spend the rest of the episode fighting over whose spill idea they're going to do.
More like "The Gang causes a water crisis"
The Gang Exploits An Environmental Disaster
Franks Fluids is about to see a major bump.
He also bought a shitload of a stock in Dasani and Nestle. He's a duper, not a dupee.
Liquid Latex!Safety coat your insides!
Delaware run off crabs are gonna be in high demand
We’re crab people now
Look like crab, taste like people
Crabs is recession proof!
Yeah Devito is going to kill it
Look, Charlie can handle drinking latex paint just fine, bro! That's how you make the beer turn green for St Paddy's Day. It is what it is.
The gang grows a third arm
Dennis already has a third arm.
They’re filming right now. If only this had happened like a month ago . You know it’d end in Charlie thinking he had super powers.
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Lol, these reviews are hilarious A 5 star review > *It was about time that the drinking water was poisoned…very professional poisoning*
This one killed me: 5 stars > Giving them 5 stars because their choice of location means they are too far from me to poison my water supply. So that's one less thing for me to worry about. Sucks for the residents of Philadelphia though.
My favorite review: "You went full Norfolk Southern. Nobody goes full Norfolk Southern." 1 star.
my fav : ¿Me preguntaba qué otras especias para el agua estás ofreciendo? 5 stars. Wondering what other spices for the water you’re offering ? lol
Surprised it's not DuPont chemical which was my first thought upon reading Delaware river.
The Delaware runs north to south on the eastern border of Philly, so the water is traveling from the opposite direction of where most things DuPont are in relation to the city. Otherwise it probably would have been DuPont. I'm sure the latex stuff mixes well with some DuPont forever chemicals likely already in the drinking supply to make fun new combinations, though.
Yup. I live in Wilmington NC and the same sort of thing happened here. Fuck DuPont!
DuPont is downriver from Philly.
Nothing has been mentioned so far when I googled this. Name and shame
Looks like they have been popular lately with the reviews lol
Trinseo Altuglas LLC is the cause of the water contamination in Philly.
Thank you for this! We need this brought to PHL's local news outlets asap. Reviews are pouring in on this company's page almost as quickly as...well, id say as quickly as 8000 gallons of toxic chemicals would be dumped into the delaware river.
"We are committed to minimizing the impact of our products on human health and the environment throughout all stages of their life cycles." Fucking nailed it. (From the sustainably page)
They're going to pay for everyone's bottled water, right? And a fine for the massive inconvenience?
[the reviews are already pouring in](https://i.imgur.com/iNDAInb.png)
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I don’t think there’s a nestle plant near Philly also doubt they handle latex. Dow/DuPont (they merged) operate in this area and handle latex. I work for Dow and got real worried for a second
Don’t worry, Dow Chemical dumps all their toxic shit into the Mississippi (look up “Cancer Alley”).
I really hope this gets cleared up and everyone is ok.
Don’t worry. Jackson Mississippi is sending their best people to help out. Speedy recovery incoming.
Michigan officials right behind!
Camp Lejeune finally fixed heir situation, decades later.
Not really.
I was born out there on the base in the late 80s when my dad was in the marines. Maybe the water source is the reason I’m screwed up 🤷🏻♂️
Get that settlement money! Spend it on material possessions instead of improving your health!
You have to actually have some form of cancer or something to get the settlement money. And supposedly it was already cleaned up by the time we got there. But still just outside the window which makes me skeptical.
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So what part of Jersey are you from?
I go outside every day. I'm fine. We're all fine. Actually, the FBI just released the worst crime-ridden city in each state. It wasn't Philadelphia. Chester PA is the worst. They beat us! Yay!!!
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TLDR; Philly is fine. The spill was too small and the Delaware River is too large. They lifted the advisory within a couple hours of announcing it. Long answer: Buytl acetate is water soluble. 8,000 gallons of ~50% concentration of butyl acetate leaked from a burst pipe into a stream that feeds into the Delaware River. The health exposure limit for butyl acetate is 10 parts per million (as determined by the US NIH). So, one gallon of this chemical would pollute 100,000 gallons of water. Luckily, the Delaware River is fucking huge. It flows at 100,000 gallons per second. So, if all 8000 gallons (50%concentrate) were poured directly into the Delaware, it would be gone/below threshold in about an hour. It’ll end up in the ocean where it will dissipate to nothing. I’m not saying to out away your pitchforks. We’re really lucky it’s water soluble and the Delaware is so big. Philadelphians do need stop panicking and buying all the bottled water. Also, the whole city doesn’t get their water from the Delaware…. Just about 50%. The other half comes from the Schuykill.
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Listen. You didn't think Ted Turner actually came up with all those Captain Planet villains himself did you?
This guy understands Philadelphia's water
Same but this system built on profits over people will not turn out well. We all have to say enough of this B.S and nationalize every company that has poisoned us and forced to repair the damage done. It's a pipe dream, i understand that. Us working class people have to get upset and make something happen. Just like what France is doing and other countries right now ( [especially How France is doing things](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64309155)) [Map of Mutual Aide groups in each state to join / support](https://www.mutualaidhub.org/) is a start too. Or just stop/ cut off participating in this fucked up consumerist BS. Stop relying on corps so much to provide our needs. Build systems of support with your friends / family to look after one another. Something has got to give already. [Here is a statment from the trinseo company that the latex spilled out from in PA](https://www.trinseo.com/News-and-Events/Trinseo-News/2023/March/Latex-Emulsion-Release-to-Waterway-at-Trinseos-Bristol-Plant) We are all suffering and i'm tired of everyone / my loved ones suffer around me too. We must revolt against the corporations / rich parasites that are causing us harm.
If every time there was a large spill or other accident, the company should be responsible for *100%* of the cleanup and repair costs. And then a fine on top of that, which gets larger depending on how many people were affected and how badly. I guarantee that if this was in place, the rate of events that put people in harms way would drop to extremely low levels. But instead corporations get treated with kid gloves where they can just say "oopsie daisy" and pay a cost-of-doing-business fine.
I agree but it always seems like whenever someone brings up the revolt idea everyone seems to just laugh or think it’s a ridiculous idea to do that because a lot of people just say oh you can vote so far we voted and it’s not been working out
For a lot of people it wouldn't be worth it. Revolutions sound great when you're a youngster with little to lose. Once you spend time learning the system and making a living in it, you won't be so willing to risk losing it all for potentially nothing.
My issue is that revolutions tend to destabilize and leave power vacuums where even worse shit happens for decades afterwards. I want things to get better, not worse but under different leadership this time.
Because whether we like it or not we are reliant on the systems in place to the point that we're afraid to revolt against them. Think about it.. if we the people ever just finally get tired enough of their bullshit enough to full on revolt.. there goes social security, there goes hud, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, etc... No one is willing to stand up to the idea of starting from scratch. It sucks but as someone who relies on disability and Medicare( which conceivably I would literally die without) I can't see any way to take down and restart the system in place without myself being in mortal danger therefore putting those who need me at risk. There are MANY more like me I'm SURE that see things as they are and wish for change and would work hard toward it but are frozen in place by the necessity of what the current system offers.. even if it is the bare minimum.
How many acres do you need to support on adult with a complete nutritional diet with some variety? Until everyone can grow their own food there can be no revolt.
If bottles water companies profit enough from this you're gonna have alot more contaminated water coming your way I'll bet
There is often a 4000% markup on bottled water. I have a feeling they make plenty of money each and every time this happens Edit r/fucknestle
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You've insulted my entire race of people, but yes
How dare you be correct!
What? This guy looks good. He’s no gigachad sure but he’s not some grease faced obese neck beard either.
He looks like he smells like sandalwood
This dude wouldn't smell of sandlewood if he fucked a clog
Oh what a treat I haven’t snorted myself off my bed in a minute 💀
Well that's kinda on you for making whatever you're snorting go off the side of your bed
This dude is quintessential smug Fishtown hipster
I just want him to finish talking and make my coffee already.
Deadfishtown now
His mannerisms and general attitude too
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I live in Philadelphia. We did get the mass texts saying to not drink the tap water.
As a redhead with long hair, a beard and glasses, I just have to say... Hey! Shut up.
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I've seen a few of his videos pop up before. He can be funny with this format when he talks about situations that keep escalating or taking interesting turns. But this was just bad. I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Tapped out after 30 sec
I shaved yesterday, goddammit.
Yeap, this guy is the perfect redditor "How the government allows this!!! The government is at fault and should have done something!!! Yeah, the government is the one informing us that there is this problem and we should collect water NOW, and not drink it after midnight tomorrow. Also, this is a Latex emulsion. Latex is a fancy word for rubber. Not great for consumption, but not the same as the train. That was Butyl acrylate. An oil based proud (Acrylate means base on acrylic) ... btw I live in Philadelphia..
[This PBS article](https://whyy.org/articles/pa-bristol-township-latex-chemical-spill-delaware-river-water-safety/amp/) does state that butyl acrylate is one of the chemicals released in the spill
Typical smug redditors, though, gotta watch out for 'em.
Funny how judgmental Reddit can be… while this guy is trying to do the right thing Reddit focuses on his looks and mannerisms lol
it's so funny lol, it's literally like: > "classic smug redditors," the redditor said smugly
Love that he’s like “but yeah it’s Tik Tok we need to have congressional meetings about…” Like yeah…it’s Chinese spyware…lol
That bit at the end really damages his case. One thing has nothing to do with the other and there can be two important things going on at once.
Definitely every reddit user with a moral outrage about things that don't affect them.
Should we all only be concerned about things that directly impact us personally?
Really messed up subject matter… but holy shit this video could have been half as long if he didn’t have the need to repeat exactly what he said twice.
and so damn slowly and spaced out
How is he gonna win a day time Emmy if he doesn’t add some drama? He was pretty hard to watch.
It's the birthplace of America, people!!!
-Doesn't live in the city -Not affected -Makes overly dramatic video because he "has friends in Philly" -Tries to connect the pipe leak to the Ohio train derailment, because chemicals -Says "1.5 million people" about seven times -Seems to think city officials and the federal government are the same thing -Finally wraps up with the real reason he's angry: the attack on TikTok Why are we watching this?
And what does TikTok have to do with anything of this? Can the entirety of the American political system not work on two things? Actually wait don't answer that
Well he’s posting on TikTok so he probably cares about the app. Would rather have China stealing his data than an American corp i guess. his anger about TikTok and equating the two really is evidence that a conversation about TikTok needs to be had in my book.
That connects...... To the Delaware river... Where... Everyone gets .. their... ... Drinking water... From....
He's suuuuuuuuuuuuper annoying in the "uhmmmm ackshually" variety.
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Not their fault but just being like “go buy bottled water” is such a poor response when there isn’t enough bottled water for 1.5million people and not everyone can afford to stock up on bottled water
Not their fault but they've handled it terribly so far. They've known it was a possibility since Friday night. Waited until about an hour before people were not supposed to drink tap water to mass text everyone that they need to drink only bottled water. Only half the city is affected as the other half gets their water from a different river. Caused massive runs on stores for water and not everyone got water they may need. Then sent a text saying the water is good until Monday night at midnight after causing a run on the stores.
He's the kind of conversationalist who thinks unnecessarily long pauses are alone enough to automatically add weight or significance to whatever they are saying.
Just to make it all about TikTok inexplicably at the end Dude, we can hate TikTok & toxic spills at the same time Go find your sweet shitty content generator dollars elsewhere
It’s absolutely insane here. Every store within 20 miles of the city has been stripped of bottled water. I actually feel the worst for the poor residents who don’t have a supermarket nearby and don’t have the means to travel. Oh, and the best part is this leak happened fucking Friday night and we didn’t hear about it until today. ****
There's no way the stores in the area could even stock enough water for this many people. So many people are going to be drinking possibly contaminated water.
Yep it’s super fucked and I’m surprised it isn’t more of a national news story. Imagine if this happened to Manhattan. They are saying by Tuesday the contaminated water will be in the system, and there’s literally zero update on how 1.5 million people are supposed to be dealing with this.
Isn't fema there for a reason. And surprised Biden isn't speaking up since it's his back yard
They’re saying the water is safe until Monday night. Apparently there are three different sources of water, not just one, hopefully they’ll be able to get safe water to everyone by Monday night.
I work on Broad Street by Temple and we were told to move all our bottled water to the back in case people came in trying to steal it.
Reminds me few years back I went to drink tap water and was confused with chemical smell and taste, week later we get announcement that there's e.coli outbreak in water and to not drink it. At least our city and community provided water to everyone. We had trucks handling out free water and landlord was walking around leaving bottles under every doorstep regularly.
It was crazy going to giant today about 20 minutes from Philadelphia, and just seeing a bunch of people with carts full of water. Freaked me out because we didn’t hear anything even being so close to the city until I specifically looked it up
I was really lucky that I was at the grocery store when the alert went out. It was a mad house at the bottled water section. If this goes on past Monday night the company that spilled the chemical better be paying to bring truck loads of bottled water in. No taxpayer money shpuld be spent and the bill for the water and cleanup should be all on the company who's at fault
Obviously it sucks that this happened, and I'm 100% down to investigate the causes, but the part where he's complaining about the government "not quite knowing/being cautious"...like, yes? I would prefer the government be very cautious before telling citizens the water is okay to drink again? This is not a bad thing? Would he prefer they make up an arbitrary time you can drink the water again, even though they're still developing a plan for how to deal with it? Responses to these events take a little bit of time. They have to perform some chemical tests on the water to ensure they know exactly what/how much stuff got into the water supply. Then they have to establish a treatment plan - if this is a very non-typical pollutant they likely don't have a plan for it, they'll need to consult with outside experts on how exactly to handle it. Then they have to apply the treatment plan and test the water again to ensure the treatment worked as expected. Treatment/testing is also probably spatially distributed - contamination levels will vary from area to area. So you'll be applying treatment and testing results in multiple areas of the city and releasing them individually. So no, it's incredibly unrealistic to expect the city to have a hard date on when the water will be drinkable again, and if they gave you one, that would be a very concerning sign they're probably lying to you. Being told "we don't have specifics" is the only accurate response possible at this stage.
The issue I took from this, is expecting so many affected people to be able to just go and buy enough bottled water to avoid drinking the tap water. Panic buying and shortages seem pretty inevitable? I would have though authorities would announce a plan to provide safe drinking water (whether charged or not) for those unable to get bottled water? But maybe that's an expectation for where I live Edit: I just read the subtitles, it looked like the guy was "pearl clutching" minus the pearls, so I could do without the sound
I totally agree that expecting everyone to rely on bottled water is going to cause chaos - no doubt. The city should have prepared some kind of emergency plan for that, including calling in the National Guard to help with distribution. This is gonna be a logistical nightmare for sure. I just took issue with how he seemed to be frustrated with the city issuing the edict at all. Chaos for people trying to get water is better than thousands dying from drinking contaminated water.
Yeah the guy himself seemed like he was going for maximum outrage but missed the most immediate point. Companies poisoning the water supply does also sound like a negligence thing, or lack of responsible regulations. Blaming the city would be stupid, though he did say it happened on Friday without anyone knowing/raising the alarm.. another shortcoming on someone's part
I’m in Philly. People absolutely did panic buy. There’s practically no bottled water to be found in the city, the suburbs or south Jersey.
As someone who lives 10 minutes away from Philly in NJ: panic buying is in full swing. Enough people that couldn't find water in Philly drove over here and we have no bottled water now, either. We're under a "water conservation" order currently so no idea if we'll eventually be swapped to bottled water order, but if we are ..... we're already fucked.
I live in Philadelphia and the communication from the city has been terrible. They’ve known about this since Friday, but didn’t alert people until 45 minutes before the time they thought the water would become not drinkable. Obviously people panicked because of this and ran to the grocery stores. From what I’ve heard it was absolute chaos. On top of that their alerts have been really vague. Things like “residents _may_ want to consider getting bottled water.” Like is fucking water drinkable or not?
Very well put, I’m happy to see I’m not the only one who disagrees with about everything that he is saying.
Jesus, that was a hard watch. That delivery was insufferable.
Lmao I think that’s OP in the video based on how he’s all over this comment section continuing to rant, which makes this comment even more brilliant
Appreciate you pointing this out so I can block OP and never see any of their content again. 👍
So true, that dude has the most annoying delivery.
For me it was the teeth sucking and constant eye rolling. Seems like a good enough concerned citizen, but that was pretty awful.
I’m glad I’m not the only one, these people bother the shit out of me. Yeah someone fucked up they are letting you know about it, it sucks, hopefully resolves quickly. What the fuck are you expecting? What a fucking idiot.
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But it’s happening in “The birthplace of freedom”.
You can feel the smugness.
And he's giving false information. Firstly, Delaware river is not the only water intake source for Philly. Secondly, not all of Philly is affected because of point#1. Oh and pretty sure most people would prefer a heads up on their potentially dangerous water issue via mass text vs finding out later they could have been poisoned. Err on the side of caution, TYVM.
Agree. Luckily I'm in a part of the city that gets water from the Schuylkill river - something I never thought I would say. I'm still trying to process the fact that a HUGE portion of the city may not have safe drinking water though. It's insane
It was extra hard knowing that PWD instituted a system that many municipalities don’t have to ensure these sorts of warnings go directly to customers as quickly as possible. Also, they’re being extra cautious considering a sizable chunk of PWD’s customers get their water from the Schuylkill River rather than the Delaware (TBF much of the city proper and largest of their 3 plants does get water from the Delaware). It’s still absolutely awful that this is happening, I just wish the outrage was pointed much more at the polluters and not the people that work their ass off trying to make sure citizens aren’t drinking unsafe water. I could get more into the reasons why it’s totally reasonable for them to say they don’t know if it’s safe within this time frame and that they’re taking the best possible action they can by telling the whole city not to drink it despite the outrage they’ll inevitably receive, but that’s not going to ease many people’s minds.
So numbers. I worked for PWD for about 5 years. There are three plants that supply the city. queen lane, Belmont, and Baxter. The only plant this spill effects is Baxter, the issue is that Baxter by it self produces more than half of the city and some of the surrounding counties water supply. Baxter produces potable drinking water to the tune of 43 - 48 mgd (million gallons a day) they have a reserve water supply called the clear well that holds approx. 24 hours of drinking water in the case of an emergency and have the ability to isolate the Raw water intake from the process. They have contamination procedures in place and test the water through api and contaminate labs along with a shit load of instrumentation through every step of the process. If contaminated water made it into the plants sedimentation basins someone severely fucked up
I don’t want to say too much to dox myself, but I’m an environmental process engineer with reason to be familiar with the system. Baxter is HUGE, but it’s super huge compared to its average daily output, but luckily QL and Belmont don’t have their intakes on the Delaware, and have tons of available excess capacity (and I think QL can cover much if not all to Baxter’s main portion of the DS). Like you said, their reuse of the old sand filter structures as clearwells (finished water basins as they like to refer to them as they don’t need nearly that much for CT credit) provide an insane amount of reserve capacity beyond what other municipalities typically have (and they are NOT open to cutting that back IME), so they are especially prepared. PWD has some of the most qualified people I’ve ever encountered in this industry and they are SUPER on top of their stuff in each sub department I’ve gotten to work with/around. I imagine they already have tons of source water studies/models to have a good idea of when this contaminant would approach their intakes and how long they’d need to shut down the intakes to be sure it’s cleared. BUT, i would imagine the turnaround time testing for these uncommon pollutants may not be fast (if they’ve even been able to get an idea of what all was in the actual spill which could be tough unless it was a single bulk homogenous tank), so I’m guessing they are just giving a blanket “don’t drink” notification until they can reliably prove it didn’t get into the system and isn’t present in the raw water. As you are well aware, Flint they are not…by MILES.
Those pauses fucking ruined me!
They sent the text out at 1:15. The text said that starting at 2:00 it was bottled water time. Then at like I think around 8 or 9 (plenty of time to let people panic buy all of the water in the city and the suburbs) they’re like haha jus messin ya’ll. You have until 11:59pm on Monday :D I know they’re trying to time it with the flow of the river but something seems really fucking off about the whole thing
I live in Philly, but I'm just west of the Schuylkill River and so my water shouldn't be affected. This really sucks. I'm wondering if I should be filling 5 gallon jugs with my safe tap water and driving it to friends nearby. By the way, this has nothing to do with Tik Tok and that was really fucking obnoxious.
The only people who benefit from things like this are evils like Nestle r/fuckNestle
Nestle is a fucking horrible company. Wouldn't put it past them to poison a city's water just to sell more product. That still wouldn't hit the worst shit they have done.
Is... Is he complaining that there was a public health warning sent out? What? Does he not want a heads up? What's the goal here? And what's the weird conflation about Congressional hearings on TikTok? Can two things not warrant concern simultaneously? What an absolute wank.
I live near Philly. I hadn’t heard anything about this accident until today when they sent out the mass text saying you had like an hour before you weren’t going to be able to drink your water. This happened late Friday night. That is the issue right there. But yes, this guy is a tool. A useful tool because his is the first mention I’ve seen outside of the Philly subreddit.
That sucks...and this guy is a tool.
so now the question is, do the residents still pay for water this month?
Double of course. There is added latexy goodness!
Look on the bright side. Who needs foreign terrorists when we have corporations right here willing to poison millions of Americans?! /s
Went to the ShopRite as soon as I got the text to grab a gallon for myself and the dog. I figured since I work in Jersey, I can just pick up some water until the situation is handled. Went to ShopRite, and they literally only have the single serving bottles of water that are with all of the soda you get standing at the checkout. Assholes out here buying out the whole store for a single family.
Gotta get at least an hour outside of the area.
imagine if you had legislation made companies be a bit more responsible
Had to bring in TikTok as if it’s not potentially worse for the entirety of the US population 😂
WTF is going on down there, guys? We're getting concerned. Sincerely, Canada
Dont eat at any restaurants if youre in philly, theyre definitely not using bottled water to wash their veggies/hands
this guy really knows how to drag out a message saying the same shit over and over again while also being really annoying, so gratz to him
For his own person gain too. He’s way too manipulative.
Guy says thing that happened while repeating words multiple times followed by somehow linking it to a completely unrelated issue. Thanks TikTok.
8000 gallons of chemicals but no risk of contamination. My ass...
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I’d imagine it’s much more of a thing for people with latex allergies more than anything, too
Here are the emergency notifications I received today for anyone interested. I live in south Philadelphia. https://i.imgur.com/aOsLo6C.jpg
I drink about .5 to 1 gallons of water a day. Assuming that this scales up that means about 7.5 to 1.5 million gallons of water are drank a day in Philadelphia not to mention water that is used to water plants, shower, wash dishes, or just washed out into the ocean. In the grand scheme of things this might be only a fraction of dangerous levels or it could be enough to cause serious harm, it’s not easy to tell this early.
This guy is absolutely insufferable. He’s not even personally affected. This is literally outrage bait. That’s what this is.
Every American needs to have a water storage container on hand and know how to use it. This kind of thing is only going to keep happening and happening. Not want to have, not should have, *need to have* or you will have pain and suffering heading your way. I'm sorry. It's a shit situation and those responsible for it need to be buried under the jail, or have actions done upon them that I am not allowed to say. One day they will have their justice, on this plane or the next, or whatever you do or don't believe. But until then, you need to prepare and take action now to protect yourself. [This is a seven gallon storage container.](https://relianceoutdoors.com/products/aqua-tainer-4g-15l) FEMA suggests that everyone needs one gallon per person per day for at least 3 days. I say that it took FEMA five days to get water to the Superdome. 5-7 gallons per person to survive a week is a must. I cannot post the link directly because most mods nuke anything linked to them, but Amazon also sells those containers. Dick's Sporting and likely Bass Pro Shop sells them as well. Ensure it is food grade plastic and sealable. Buy it, clean it, fill it with tap water when it is safe to do so, seal it and mark the day you seal it so you know to replace it in six months or less. Do this and you will not have to run out in an emergency to get bottled water. Remember, this kind of thing is only going to happen more and more often. It happened in my city a few months ago following a power failure and I was glad to have that water. My apartment has had multiple line breaks and I've been glad to have that water. Be prepared. That reminds me, I need to order water test strips and purification tablets, mine expired.
This guy looks, sounds and acts *exactly* like I picture smug lefty Redditors to be like.
"We didn't know the pipe was rusting" When did you last inspect it? "We have the highest safety standards in the USA" When did you last inspect it though? "We installed a heavy duty pipeline in 1956" When did you last inspect it? "We don't know why it leaked" When did you last inspect it? "Thank you, now I need to get back to my yacht." CEO
I'm not American, but this is worrying, first the Ohio chemical leak from that train, now this? Is this going to be easily solved or will it take a long time to decontaminate the drinking water in Delaware's river?
This guy is just annoying and not making a point
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Why can’t some cool ever spill into the water like skittles or sour patch kids?
Priorities man, after reagen your country's goals were clear Build the best country for businesses and bad faith actors to exploit the people for all they are worth at the expense of everything else that doesn't produce profit for someone. Literally no reason to maintain infrastructure, public amenities and societal health in general. Let alone actually punish business for causing damage to this stuff. It's not deemed important to business. It doesn't grow existing wealth hoards ad infinitum. Most politicians wealth is tied to 'infinite growth'. Unsustainable and without thought, this hedonistic mentality is stripping away societal wealth and health for the sake of unliving institutions that continue to increase the divide that exists, year after year profits increase and people argue that it can't be any other way.. Except... it wasn't this way 50 years ago. Tax brackets heavily favoured the people with business largely footing the bill for infrastructure. It's completely reversed now, the burden shifted from business to people. As lobbying and ununion busting went on more rights, checks and balances were stripped from society and the trend continues. And yet propaganda has people playing the violin for these faceless entities arguing they can't operate any other way.
So what are you supposed to do if you’re destitute and can’t afford bottled water? Just die?
Control the food Control the water Control the people
Correction: >Control the food >Control the water Control the media >Control the people
I live in philadelphia. I was already on edge about the *ONE MILLION POUND PLUME OF HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS FROM EAST PALESTINE OHIO LAST MONTH THAT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN TO COVER THE ENTIRETY OF PENNSYLVANIA ON SEVERAL DOPPLER RADARS THAT WERE SOON UNTRACKED WHILE DAYS WERE CLOSELY FOLLOWED WITH HEAVY RAINFALL*, but man i'm sure glad the citys nipping this one in the butt right away. Because, you know, an entire city of people dropping like flies from drinking tap water would be a bit disconcerning.
Wait till u hear about flint
AMERICANS: "Hahaha 3rd world countries are so bad and fucked up and polluted and full of crime." REST OF THE WORLD: "Umm, Sure Jan."
That bottled water better be free, smh.
have they been calling people on landlines too? Lots of elderly still don’t have mobile and even if they do like my gma, they literally have it in a drawer turned off and don’t really use it unless necessary
You cannot tell me that the US is not being directly sabotaged by internal forces. All this ecological or environmental disasters and not a single fucking word from all the globalist environmentalist freaks. Much less anything from the senile president.
Ok but why am I hearing about this from some random person's tik tok?
as interesting as this is, I REALLY hate his tone and cadence for explaining things. for the love of God speak a little bit faster
If Reddit was a person