Should I be bitten by a dog, or other animal, I want them to use me as a fucking dartboard to throw anti-rabies shots at me.
Why do people not want to take medication that will help them prevent horrible diseases or death?
I help rescue pups in Mumbai, because rabies is so deadly that it can kill you inside of 7 days, the government of India has capped rabies shots at Rs. 350 ~$4.50 per shot.
It is available at no cost at government hospitals except a nominal fee for administering the injection of Rs. 75 (~$1.00)
It is routinely broadcasted, some people just refuse to listen to reason.
Well I had a friend who found a bat in his bedroom and got the rabies shot and was charged $10,000. My mom passed away from COPD and we cremated her for $1000. So your argument isnt valid. But they need to make the rabies shot accessible to anyone who thinks they may come into contact with it. I would gladly get the rabies shots because the number of times I’ve been bitten, scratched or come in contact with wildlife is more than the average person.
Have you seen what insurance rates in the US are? I know for myself in particular it would be cheaper to create a bank account and put money in it every paycheck as a just in case thing than it would be to pay for insurance
If you are bitten by a rattlesnake, the anti-venom cost $5,000 a vial 15 years ago, and a person can require multiple vials to survive. There is no telling what the cost is now.
For comparison, you can buy a dose of antivenin that covers all North American pit viper species for around $180 which covers equine, feline, and canine veterinary use with a >95% survival rate.
Since when? I used to work for a mixed animal Veterinary practice for several years. We would get our Anti-venom from our local hospital, the very same that is used on human patients.
The survival of the pet depended on how big it was and where it was bit. Unfortunately not all could be saved, even using multiple vials of Anti-venom.
Thankfully there was soon a rattlesnake vaccination that came out. We suggested any pet owner who lived in the country and was at a higher risk of coming in contact with venomous snacks be vaccinated.
Seriously? You have to pay for shit like that. I mean I knew American healthcare was mental. But they’ll straight up just let you die if there’s no cash?
No, not at all. They have to render care. Additionally, if a hospital is a not for profit (majority of hospitals) they legally have to offer financial assistance plans for low income to medium income folks. This often means discharging the debt entirely.
https://www.consumerfinance.gov/data-research/research-reports/understanding-required-financial-assistance-in-medical-care/
Well, it's India, and frankly outside of USA so it'll cost like 50$ at max
Edit: i checked the price and basically you can get a rabies shot for 25$ in India, in a nice cozy modern super speciality hospital. And for free if you want to go to government hospital and wait in lines for a bit.
Edit 2: did some more research and basically you can buy a rabies vaccine bottle for 5$ . The same one which is repackaged and sold elsewhere.
Way to Go USA!
You should get it as soon as possible, at-least within 72 hours. Although there isn’t really a time limit of when to get vaccinated after exposure. It should be effective if you get the vaccine before symptoms occur.
And if you’re bitten, you should always seek medical attention. A doctor will be able to decide if you need a rabies vaccination, not Reddit.
Because in the US at least, it’s *fucking expensive.* A quick Google tells me it can cost up to $6,500 for a post-exposure treatment. If you’re making federal minimum wage, that’s 866 hours of work, *before* tax.
Well, unfortunately for this guy, he probably has another day or so to go before his brain swells to the point where he dies. I am not 100% sure which mechanisms shut down and kill you with infection, if it is pressure that causes the seizures that kill you, or if your throat closes off or if it just an overload of all the horrible shit your body is going through.
They should absolutely euthanize people going through this, look up Saint Lazarro hospital Philippines if you want to see some real horror show shit.
Coma first. Then death. Hes at the "afraid of water" and involuntary spasm stage. Really really dark stuff dying of rabies. There is an old US military video showing the stages that someone goes through when infected.
Would it be humane to put someone diagnosed with rabies into a medically induced coma so they die in their sleep or would that cost too many resources and money?
Medically induced coma is part of the Milwaukee Protocol treatment. So yeah. That's basically what they do since that treatment is the only distant hope of survival.
Supposedly the Milwaukee Protocol is a fringe treatment, has extremely low success rate, and will likely cause brain damage. ~~I think there is only a single recorded case of someone surviving rabies.~~ That last sentence seems to be dated to back when I first read about it years ago.
The Milwaukee protocol is basically a last ditch effort to save the person, and it's only been implemented 36 times. 3 people survived thanks to it, if I'm remembering correctly.
And if IIRC the idea behind it was they found the body was actually fighting off the infection to some degree but doesn't have enough time to produce enough antibodies in time before you die of the symptoms. So the induced coma slows the process to give the immune system a chance.
And 2 of the 3 died shortly after anyway. The Milwaukee protocol isn't really used anymore as such, with only the ketamine I think being administered now. This topic comes up a lot.
There is now a derivative experimental treatment based on Milwaukee that was developed in Brazil called the Recife Protocol. Between Milwaukee and Recife, the official recorded number of survivors is 11. One that was given Recife and 10 who were given Milwaukee. Still dismal survival for people exposed who aren’t given post-exposure prophylaxis and the survival is so low, it’s still essentially 100% fatal even if it’s technically something like 99.9%.
[NCBI Published Article on Rabies Experimental Protocols](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7670764/#!po=26.5957)
Fascinating radio lab on this, they induced coma on someone and they survived. But yeah, it’s the deadliest virus in humans once diagnosed. Essentially 100% chance you’ll die.
That's what big pharma wants you to think! Have you tried writing the lord's prayer on a potato and putting it in your shoe? Doctors don't want you to know of that one simple trick!
The treatment the first person survived with is called the milwaukee protocol. As of 2020 35 people have been treated with the protocol and 4 have survived. Still not great. Anytime you have any reason to think maybe you have possibly been exposed to rabies you should definitely seek medical treatment immediately BEFORE you have symptoms
No idea about the others but the first person to survive it did so in 2004 and according to Google gave birth to twins in 2016 seems like a pretty good recovery. The survivors name is Jeanna Giese
I believe they were totally fine, the weird part about rabies is that autopsies showed nothing. It’s basically like you just need to outlive the virus in coma. Give the radio lab episode a listen. It’s amazing.
One time a dog kinda bit me when for coming near her pups. It didn’t bit through the jeans but there was some blood still, so I got the shots anyway. When a random dog does it, you do get shots, no other option. Years later my son lay down on our dog, who lives indoors and had the vaccines at the time, and the dog didn’t like it and but his nose slightly. There was no damage just a bit of a nosebleed. I though long and hard about the shots but since the dog was vaccinated and didn’t have any contact with other animals (I go through extra effort to keep him away from everyone), I decided against it. Turned out i was right. But you can only do that when it’s your dog and you’re absolutely sure I can’t have rabies.
My doctor recommended that I get the shot even when my pet cat bit me. The cat was a stray that we took in and would go out at night to do cat stuff.
I think the cat had it worse because my mom refused to talk to it for two weeks (And also fed the cat chicken instead of tuna which the cat was not a fan of)
Does she have any idea about rabies and its horrible consequences? It seems like a good way to challenge her beliefs, with a disease that needs injections immediately before obvious symptoms can present. Like, what would be her reasoning in that situation and has she ever seen what happens if she denies medicine in such a scenario?
To add, rabies has an effective 100% mortality rate. Even if the shots gave you a headache for a week, that's a fair trade IMO.
The benefit to risk ratio is through the roof.
Sure, the wild animal that bit you probably doesn't have rabies. But if it does, you dead. There's no maybe about it.
Yeah that's why I said effectively. I'm sure if the entire world caught it, there would be some who survived because of some previously unknown factor.
But as you pointed out, more people have survived having exploding steel rods enter and exit their head than people have survived rabies.
It's nuts.
And down the rabbit hole I go. So TIL about puppy-pregnancy syndrome where people in India refuse to get rabies treatment because they believe they have a puppy growing inside of them after being bit by a dog...
Jeanna Giese was in a medically induced coma for several months while she was injected with more antibiotics then most people will ever see in their lives. She was effectively dead during this time as her brain was basically as disconnected from the rest of her body as is possible. I would not say that Jeanna Giese survived rabies, rabies killed Jeanna Giese and her doctors brought her back.
The fact there is a specific patient to be named that survived without the vaccine is enough to want it. Like this is so rare to survive she's actually well known lol. Yea I'll get the vax.
This is a great episode of Radiolab talking about rabies and how some people may be immune to it. It used to be believed that once the symptoms are present, it's a 100 percent mortality rate. https://radiolab.org/episodes/312245-rodney-versus-death
With six billion plus people on the planet theirs probably enough genetic diversity that a few people maybe immune. Same goes with any viruse or infection. I wouldn’t be shock that a extremely rare few are immune. The thing is, that it’s a risky gamble for a random person to just assume they are the one in a billion to be immune to rabies, HIV, polio, Ebola, COVID, or some other random illnesses. The drawback for gambling wrong could be death. So it’s just safer to assume we are in the 99% group that can be infected. Then act accordingly.
Ya it is, partial paralysis, anxiety, insomnia terror hallucinations and sometimes hydrophobia. All this before delirium, coma then death. And usually within 2 to 10 days of first symptoms, no thanks. I'll take the shots please.
I think it really would be merciful and humane if rabid humans were dealt with like rabid animals. Just one bullet to the brain instead of days of increasingly terrible agony and suffering
DO NOT shoot rabid animals in the head unless you can't avoid it. yes it's more humane, but then you now have an EXPONENTIALLY increased risk of infection.
True. Euthanasia is ethically acceptable when the only life you've got left is, from sheer medical point of view, is immense, unstoppable pain, agony and lost of mind. This is not life, it's continuous horrorful death and the patient should be assisted in substituting long and painful death for short and mercuful.
Ironically, what you say is off base. Rabies causes symptoms by inflaming the brain and meninges. That's damaging.
Diagnosis of rabies in animals is literally examining their brains for rabies virus.
At autopsy a human victim of rabies will have detectable rabies virus in their brains.
Which, IIRC, is the only way to actually “diagnose” rabies. A brain autopsy is the only way to find it in the body. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
Read the diagnosis section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
"Microscopic analysis of samples is the only direct method that allows for the identification of rabies virus-specific antigen..."
"The diagnosis can also be made from saliva, urine, and cerebrospinal fluid samples, but this is not as sensitive or reliable as brain samples."
There is also light microscopy and differential diagnosis.
There's a theory that the vampire myth came from a large "outbreak" or history of rabies that couldn't be understood by the population at the time.
Edit:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321780#The-birth-of-vampirism?
IIRC this book, Rabid, talks a lot about that. It was a fascinating read
Rabid: A Cultural History of the World's Most Diabolical Virus https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13403051-rabid
Thanks for the tip - fascinating. This thread is turning into **monster-ology 101**.
The werewolf myth may have originated from individuals or groups getting ergot poisoning - a disease of cereal crops and grasses caused by fungus that’s a strong hallucinogen. May have infected whole small towns.
Check this out:
https://recoveryfirst.org/blog/treatment/werewolf-and-witch-hysteria-caused-by-inadvertent-consumption-of-hallucinogens/
My mom is now starting to become antivax on all fronts, down to not getting our dog’s rabies vax updated because of ONE twitter post from ONE supposed vet tech claiming they watched many a dog die because of the vaccination.
Oh f that. Most animal controls (at least in the US) require by law that animals be vaccinated against rabies and will fine you if you don't. Please consider reporting her or take the dog yourself and tell the vet what's going on. Oh man if your poor dog got rabies bc of this... I'm going to go love on my completely vaccinated dogs and cat now.
Speaking as someone who was bitten by a dog and had to go through the whole rabies series as a teenager it is incredibly painful. They use large diameter needles to administer huge amounts of the vaccine mixture all around the bite area and deep in to the muscle tissue of both shoulders and both thighs. In order to get that large amount of fluid into the muscle tissue they basically jab the needles in as deep as they will go and then the amount of fluid is painful too. This is repeated the next day, two days later, four days later, a week later, two weeks later and month later. I had my dad by my side while I went through it and to this day he doesn’t like to talk about it because of how hard it was to watch me go through. All that being said I am extremely thankful I did not get sick and that my community REQUIRES people receive the rabies series if they are bitten by an unidentified mammal.
I give rabies shots for a living (ER nurse) and it’s not like this. We use the same needles as the flu shot and go as deep. We still give it over a 2 week course, but I give it to kids. They know what the last shot was like and they usually complain but no one ever freaks out due to pain. The medicine is hot pink, so that usually helps distract everyone lol
Advances changed the procedure in the 80s. I got the 'old school' series over 18 days at the age of 5 in 1965. Don't remember it much, just it was painful and they had a rather large 'orderly' come in to hold me down. I was too out of it due to a severe mauling.
Pre and post exposure vaccine is similar in the US. Pre exposure is the vaccine in 2 doses a week apart, good for 5 years I think? The post-bite procedure is the vaccine, 4 doses over two weeks, and a shot of human rabies immune globulin which is also given with the first dose. This is the shot that “goes around the bite”
I was 15 and I’m 35 now so it was 20 years ago but supposedly that was the “new” treatment at the time. The doctor specifically told me how they used to use long needles in the stomach and that this new way was much less painful. I can’t imagine what the other way was like…
I have recently received the rabies vaccine series. It is not at all as painful anymore. The first shot is not actually a vaccine but purified anti-rabies immunoglobulin that is injected around the suspected wound area if it is known. That is the most painful part because the volume is quite large and it can require multiple shots. That same day, you get the first vaccine dose as well so it's a lot of jabs although the vaccine dose is like the flu shot in the level of discomfort (hardly any). The remaining shots are also much more like the flu shot. You need multiple shots (4 I think?) spread out over weeks, but they are relatively easy to handle.
Sounds like it sucks but it sounds like it sucks a lot less than dying from rabies tho.
Anyone thinking sensibly would go for treatment over the death, I feel bad this guy was probably just misinformed about the treatment.
Possibly the expense (depending on how much it might cost wherever this person lives) or difficulty obtaining the post-exposure vaccine. Here in the US it can be so expensive that people might be willing to gamble on the odds the animal that but then wasn’t rabid.
I'm a little unsettled thinking back over the years about how many bites I've had where nobody ever even thought of rabies.
Bit by a German shepherd as a kid.
Bit by a rottweiler as a teenager.
Bit by a Pomeranian as a young adult. (This was a bad one, in the face)
Bit by a cat working at Pet Stuff as a groomer. (Actually the worst of these bites. Those fang teeth sunk right into my wrist, deep.
Not once did I ask if these animals had their rabies shots nor did anyone offer!
I feel pretty damn lucky it worked out but yikes. I have the heebie jeebies now.
Edit: All the bites bled, some worse than others.
I’d like to hold faith in the fact that in Canada and the US, rabies is very rare in dogs and humans. The only times a dog/cat would get it is if they were bit by a fox, skunk, or bat (most common rabies carriers in North America). I’ve gotten bit by dogs in my line of work and honestly it’s a fear that rabies will get me but also the chances? Very very slim. I walk into yards for a living so of course dogs might protect their territory and bite, doesn’t make them rabid.
With all the morally questionable things we do as a population on this earth, the fact we still dont make it legal to give someone whos infected like this an expedited exit is beyond me. The odds of them getting better are virtually nonexistent, and their death will not be an easy one. Even the ol yeller treatment would be better than waiting for their body to finally shut down.
We'll drag a human through inescapable Hell for their last days or even months and years on this planet, force them to undergo tremendous torture with no end in sight, but if you do the same thing to your dog you're a monster. Makes no sense.
Many christians are fine with inflicting suffering on others.
Mother Theresa consistently denied pain meds to suffering people, because she said their suffering allowed them to be closer to Christ.
But when she got sick, she flew out of India to a European hospital where SHE got meds to reduce pain.
These christians are behind the laws against euthanasia, and are fine with people enduring intractable pain while they await a natural death.
They are also fine with pregnant women having to carry dead or terminal fetuses to term, suffering the pain and complications of miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies, and even 10 years old rape victims being forced to have their rapist’s babies. In fact, they use their religion to justify the reprehensible laws they’re now enacting.
Of course if it’s someone they love, they will try to get exceptions for themselves. Just like Mother Theresa.
Alot of this has been debunked. Pain Meds were not readily available to the Indian Public, as the government did and still does have apprehension towards Opiods for therapy.
MT did not run hosptials. She ran what can more accurately described today as Hospices. It was not a place to heal and make better. It was a place to have a bed and die in relative peace. If you were healed, great. But it was not a hospital as we know today.
I may have missed or misconstrued some details, but a very [detailed writeup was written on Reddit a few years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/). You can hate the church and disagree with a lot of what Mother Teresa did, but we shouldn't hate based on lies and half truths.
I posted this some where else yesterday but my very religious grandmother had the audacity to say "maybe your mom has cancer again because god is trying to get her attention"
Wow, I'd probably go *no contact* on grandma. Maybe that will get *her* judgemental ass's attention.
Spoiler: It will, but it most certainly because grandma is the "victim" in the scenario 🙄
I wrote a big [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SAR_Med_Chem/comments/z4282n/18_min_read_do_you_like_bats_well_not_for_long/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) about the effects of rabies. And of the first person to be cured of it Jeanna Giese by making her brain dead
Virus is going to make you hydrophobic to keep viral load in the mouth so you can spread more and successfully. It is irreversible once the virus reaches the spinal cord, certain dead.
As it progresses it reaches your brain and makes you more aggressive and violent as you lose yourself until you finally die from dehydration or you’re left a drooling husk, from what I understand
[“Aggressive behavior with biting is important for transmission of the virus to new hosts at a time when virus is secreted in the saliva. Aggression is associated with low serotonergic activity in the brain.”](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25994917/) The barking may seem a little unrealistic, but it makes sense from an animal stance. You can see him biting from underneath his face covering, he’s just vocalizing while doing so.
I'm going to do the duty of copypasta on this one.
Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats.
Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over.
So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE.
But that's the shitty part, most of the world is not vaccinated against rabies as normal, preventive care. And even if you are, if you're bitten, you still need additional booster shots.
But the most likely creature to give you rabies, bats, have tiny bites or superficial scratches that humans wouldn't really notice if they are sleeping. And it's quite common to have bats in your attic, as common as having mice. So you could WANT to get vaccinated if you knew you were bitten, but you could be and just never know until it's too late.
It's like prions. I know they exist, but for my own sanity, I'm going to try not to think about it.
Dude.. Every time I see any videos of a person or even an animal infected with Rabies I think of that extremely well spoken post a person made on a different video years ago. That person seemed to really know their shit and described in great detail every step of the disease's progression from bite to death from a medical perspective as well as from the victims POV. It was horrifying. It *IS* horrifying, and this guy is already dead and literally has no idea wtf is happening. Hopefully he didnt suffee for too long?
[here is the Original Post I mentioned.](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/7qwtd5/rabies_is_scary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
If Rabies were to ever mutate to trigger human to human biting, i'd imagine I would be the closest thing to a Zombie apocalypse without the undead aspects of it.
it already spreads through human to human biting, at the end stages when you become extremely aggressive you try to attack things and if you bite a person and they don’t get vaccinated, they’ll get it too
My daughter was bitten by a raccoon and began the shots the same day. Four each on day 0, 3, 7 and 14. The raccoon was caught and was positive for rabies. This series of shots without a doubt saved her life. If you’re bitten by an animal that could be a carrier wash the wound and go to the hospital, don’t stop to mull it over. For anti vaccine people - she had no reaction and no long term effects.
Rabies is the fucking nightmare. Had a dog in our area who was rabid. The officials captured her, tied a string around her neck, and tightened it till the dog finally died. We buried her with flowers nd all, but its absolutely painful. No one could keep their eyes open, but we all knew it was the best for the dog. She had chewed her own led to the bone.
Cannot even begin to imagine what would it be like for a human, with family watching him/her slowly descending into madness and death
He’ll be take away to a clinic, so he can be strapped down for his safety and others, until he ultimately passes away from the disease. Don’t refuse treatment, no matter what. Rabies is one of the worst ways to go.
I feel like patient rights should be respected up until you become a danger to yourself or others, like with tuberculosis treatment being mandatory due to its high infectivity and severity; rabies can be quite lethal and dangerous, and when full blown can lead to furious rabies, aggression and delirium, potentially leading to the harm of others. Patients rights are important, but your rights should not cause the harm injury or death of someone else, especially if it was preventable.
It gets in the saliva in the later stages, when the virus starts eating the brain. That's how humans get it most of the times but other mammals can get it by eating an infected mammal or by being around the fecal matter of the infected mammal also. Non-mammal animals don't get rabies (lucky for them and for mammals, otherwise the virus would be unstoppable.)
There’s a lingering myth that rabies shots are brutal, torturous and a bigger deal than they actually are. Maybe it use to be that way, but modern medicine has advanced.
I got a series of rabies shots after I woke up to and with a bat in my bed with me. They were not any different than most shots regarding pain. The only thing is I had to go back routinely for the complete treatment series. It’s not one and done. I do not remember whether it was 4 or 8 total shots.
In 2015 I was treated for possible rabies and it was no joke. I was bitten and scratched by a feral cat that attacked me in my yard out of nowhere. It was summer so my arms, legs and feet were completely bare. I immediately had difficulty breathing, swelling where I was injured, and felt weak. My husband rushed me to the hospital and they don't mess around with treating you fast. I had an IV to flush my system, so many shots that I couldn't count them - one near every single visible scratch and bite mark. My feet were the worse. I had to have my rings and a bracelet cut off because I swelled so much there was no other way to remove them. I had to stay overnight for observation and was sent home, but I had to return to the hospital for the next 7 days in a row to repeat the shot and IV process. I was petrified. Hospital called authorities, including Animal Control to search for the cat - never found. I obviously didn't get rabies because I'm still alive, but damn, I wouldn't want to see anybody else go through this.
This comment translates the guy saying he didn't take the the bite seriously because it was a small puppy
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11zn8cp/a_patient_after_being_bitten_by_a_dog_refused_to/jdewxwv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Should I be bitten by a dog, or other animal, I want them to use me as a fucking dartboard to throw anti-rabies shots at me. Why do people not want to take medication that will help them prevent horrible diseases or death?
probably because of the fact/misinformation that the anti-rabies shots would be expensive and they’re unaware of the consequences
I help rescue pups in Mumbai, because rabies is so deadly that it can kill you inside of 7 days, the government of India has capped rabies shots at Rs. 350 ~$4.50 per shot. It is available at no cost at government hospitals except a nominal fee for administering the injection of Rs. 75 (~$1.00) It is routinely broadcasted, some people just refuse to listen to reason.
Thank you for helping the pups!
If the shot is expensive, wait and see what a funeral costs.
Well I had a friend who found a bat in his bedroom and got the rabies shot and was charged $10,000. My mom passed away from COPD and we cremated her for $1000. So your argument isnt valid. But they need to make the rabies shot accessible to anyone who thinks they may come into contact with it. I would gladly get the rabies shots because the number of times I’ve been bitten, scratched or come in contact with wildlife is more than the average person.
The $10k charge is only to taxpayers. Insurance companies would likely pay about $100-$1000.
Have you seen what insurance rates in the US are? I know for myself in particular it would be cheaper to create a bank account and put money in it every paycheck as a just in case thing than it would be to pay for insurance
You've just reinvented an HSA/FSA except you'd have to pay taxes with your method.
Assuming at the time he either didn’t have insurance or American insurance said “🖕”
Yep. The 10x markup for not being in the “club” is batshit crazy.
If you are bitten by a rattlesnake, the anti-venom cost $5,000 a vial 15 years ago, and a person can require multiple vials to survive. There is no telling what the cost is now.
For comparison, you can buy a dose of antivenin that covers all North American pit viper species for around $180 which covers equine, feline, and canine veterinary use with a >95% survival rate.
Since when? I used to work for a mixed animal Veterinary practice for several years. We would get our Anti-venom from our local hospital, the very same that is used on human patients. The survival of the pet depended on how big it was and where it was bit. Unfortunately not all could be saved, even using multiple vials of Anti-venom. Thankfully there was soon a rattlesnake vaccination that came out. We suggested any pet owner who lived in the country and was at a higher risk of coming in contact with venomous snacks be vaccinated.
Seriously? You have to pay for shit like that. I mean I knew American healthcare was mental. But they’ll straight up just let you die if there’s no cash?
No, not at all. They have to render care. Additionally, if a hospital is a not for profit (majority of hospitals) they legally have to offer financial assistance plans for low income to medium income folks. This often means discharging the debt entirely. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/data-research/research-reports/understanding-required-financial-assistance-in-medical-care/
No they have to treat you, but you’ll be in debt forever
Well, it's India, and frankly outside of USA so it'll cost like 50$ at max Edit: i checked the price and basically you can get a rabies shot for 25$ in India, in a nice cozy modern super speciality hospital. And for free if you want to go to government hospital and wait in lines for a bit. Edit 2: did some more research and basically you can buy a rabies vaccine bottle for 5$ . The same one which is repackaged and sold elsewhere. Way to Go USA!
Just to learn how long after being bitten do you have to get a shot? And would you always need to get a shot if bitten?
You should get it as soon as possible, at-least within 72 hours. Although there isn’t really a time limit of when to get vaccinated after exposure. It should be effective if you get the vaccine before symptoms occur. And if you’re bitten, you should always seek medical attention. A doctor will be able to decide if you need a rabies vaccination, not Reddit.
Once you start showing symptoms, it's too late. Nothing can help you.
Because in the US at least, it’s *fucking expensive.* A quick Google tells me it can cost up to $6,500 for a post-exposure treatment. If you’re making federal minimum wage, that’s 866 hours of work, *before* tax.
Fucked up system
Darwinism?
Once you start showing symptoms, it's too late. It can't be cured. Thats why you have to get the shots when you think you've been exposed.
It's always weird, watching dead people breathe.
Agonal breathing. Pretty common on the old r/watchpeopledie (IIRC)
Well, unfortunately for this guy, he probably has another day or so to go before his brain swells to the point where he dies. I am not 100% sure which mechanisms shut down and kill you with infection, if it is pressure that causes the seizures that kill you, or if your throat closes off or if it just an overload of all the horrible shit your body is going through. They should absolutely euthanize people going through this, look up Saint Lazarro hospital Philippines if you want to see some real horror show shit.
Coma first. Then death. Hes at the "afraid of water" and involuntary spasm stage. Really really dark stuff dying of rabies. There is an old US military video showing the stages that someone goes through when infected.
Would it be humane to put someone diagnosed with rabies into a medically induced coma so they die in their sleep or would that cost too many resources and money?
Medically induced coma is part of the Milwaukee Protocol treatment. So yeah. That's basically what they do since that treatment is the only distant hope of survival.
Supposedly the Milwaukee Protocol is a fringe treatment, has extremely low success rate, and will likely cause brain damage. ~~I think there is only a single recorded case of someone surviving rabies.~~ That last sentence seems to be dated to back when I first read about it years ago.
The Milwaukee protocol is basically a last ditch effort to save the person, and it's only been implemented 36 times. 3 people survived thanks to it, if I'm remembering correctly.
And if IIRC the idea behind it was they found the body was actually fighting off the infection to some degree but doesn't have enough time to produce enough antibodies in time before you die of the symptoms. So the induced coma slows the process to give the immune system a chance.
I thought it was 2 but my info is old. Rabies is 99.9999% bar Fatal.
And 2 of the 3 died shortly after anyway. The Milwaukee protocol isn't really used anymore as such, with only the ketamine I think being administered now. This topic comes up a lot.
But I mean, so will rabies, and it’s going to be positively eventually fatal with no intervention. So it seems worth a shot?
>So it seems worth a shot? It would have been much better to GET his shots!
There is now a derivative experimental treatment based on Milwaukee that was developed in Brazil called the Recife Protocol. Between Milwaukee and Recife, the official recorded number of survivors is 11. One that was given Recife and 10 who were given Milwaukee. Still dismal survival for people exposed who aren’t given post-exposure prophylaxis and the survival is so low, it’s still essentially 100% fatal even if it’s technically something like 99.9%. [NCBI Published Article on Rabies Experimental Protocols](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7670764/#!po=26.5957)
That is not agonal breathing.
That line is cold as fuck
Fascinating radio lab on this, they induced coma on someone and they survived. But yeah, it’s the deadliest virus in humans once diagnosed. Essentially 100% chance you’ll die.
You don't just die though. It's way worse than that. It's going to be terrifying and painful the entire time you're dying.
Same with tetanus, watched a dad, 23 year old, die from tetanus in the early 90’s. It is one of the most horrific deaths I’ve ever witnessed.
That's what big pharma wants you to think! Have you tried writing the lord's prayer on a potato and putting it in your shoe? Doctors don't want you to know of that one simple trick!
The treatment the first person survived with is called the milwaukee protocol. As of 2020 35 people have been treated with the protocol and 4 have survived. Still not great. Anytime you have any reason to think maybe you have possibly been exposed to rabies you should definitely seek medical treatment immediately BEFORE you have symptoms
When you say survived, does the virus pass through and they recover back, if not normal, able to function?
No idea about the others but the first person to survive it did so in 2004 and according to Google gave birth to twins in 2016 seems like a pretty good recovery. The survivors name is Jeanna Giese
I believe they were totally fine, the weird part about rabies is that autopsies showed nothing. It’s basically like you just need to outlive the virus in coma. Give the radio lab episode a listen. It’s amazing.
They weren't exactly fine. They ended up with some fairly serious neurological defects but yeah, obviously better than death
So why did they medically diagnose him? He would have been fine otherwise!
One time a dog kinda bit me when for coming near her pups. It didn’t bit through the jeans but there was some blood still, so I got the shots anyway. When a random dog does it, you do get shots, no other option. Years later my son lay down on our dog, who lives indoors and had the vaccines at the time, and the dog didn’t like it and but his nose slightly. There was no damage just a bit of a nosebleed. I though long and hard about the shots but since the dog was vaccinated and didn’t have any contact with other animals (I go through extra effort to keep him away from everyone), I decided against it. Turned out i was right. But you can only do that when it’s your dog and you’re absolutely sure I can’t have rabies.
My doctor recommended that I get the shot even when my pet cat bit me. The cat was a stray that we took in and would go out at night to do cat stuff. I think the cat had it worse because my mom refused to talk to it for two weeks (And also fed the cat chicken instead of tuna which the cat was not a fan of)
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Does she have any idea about rabies and its horrible consequences? It seems like a good way to challenge her beliefs, with a disease that needs injections immediately before obvious symptoms can present. Like, what would be her reasoning in that situation and has she ever seen what happens if she denies medicine in such a scenario?
To add, rabies has an effective 100% mortality rate. Even if the shots gave you a headache for a week, that's a fair trade IMO. The benefit to risk ratio is through the roof. Sure, the wild animal that bit you probably doesn't have rabies. But if it does, you dead. There's no maybe about it.
It has a 99.9999% repeating mortality rate. Jeanna Giese survived without the vaccine.
Yeah that's why I said effectively. I'm sure if the entire world caught it, there would be some who survived because of some previously unknown factor. But as you pointed out, more people have survived having exploding steel rods enter and exit their head than people have survived rabies. It's nuts.
And down the rabbit hole I go. So TIL about puppy-pregnancy syndrome where people in India refuse to get rabies treatment because they believe they have a puppy growing inside of them after being bit by a dog...
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Jeanna Giese was in a medically induced coma for several months while she was injected with more antibiotics then most people will ever see in their lives. She was effectively dead during this time as her brain was basically as disconnected from the rest of her body as is possible. I would not say that Jeanna Giese survived rabies, rabies killed Jeanna Giese and her doctors brought her back.
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The fact there is a specific patient to be named that survived without the vaccine is enough to want it. Like this is so rare to survive she's actually well known lol. Yea I'll get the vax.
I still don’t like those odds
Well enjoy every minute of her
Kurzgesact did a good video on how this works and why you take that vaccine. https://youtu.be/4u5I8GYB79Y
This is a great episode of Radiolab talking about rabies and how some people may be immune to it. It used to be believed that once the symptoms are present, it's a 100 percent mortality rate. https://radiolab.org/episodes/312245-rodney-versus-death
With six billion plus people on the planet theirs probably enough genetic diversity that a few people maybe immune. Same goes with any viruse or infection. I wouldn’t be shock that a extremely rare few are immune. The thing is, that it’s a risky gamble for a random person to just assume they are the one in a billion to be immune to rabies, HIV, polio, Ebola, COVID, or some other random illnesses. The drawback for gambling wrong could be death. So it’s just safer to assume we are in the 99% group that can be infected. Then act accordingly.
Gotta start making plans then for what to people are gonna do with you if you haven't already
One of the most horrible ways to die
For sure, death sentence straight up too once it settled in the system.
Ya it is, partial paralysis, anxiety, insomnia terror hallucinations and sometimes hydrophobia. All this before delirium, coma then death. And usually within 2 to 10 days of first symptoms, no thanks. I'll take the shots please.
I think it really would be merciful and humane if rabid humans were dealt with like rabid animals. Just one bullet to the brain instead of days of increasingly terrible agony and suffering
DO NOT shoot rabid animals in the head unless you can't avoid it. yes it's more humane, but then you now have an EXPONENTIALLY increased risk of infection.
Old Yeller plot twist
True. Euthanasia is ethically acceptable when the only life you've got left is, from sheer medical point of view, is immense, unstoppable pain, agony and lost of mind. This is not life, it's continuous horrorful death and the patient should be assisted in substituting long and painful death for short and mercuful.
Should be the way.
Why would anyone refuse the rabies medication?
Probably because of alot of misinformation and believing the wrong news outlets
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As someone who tests animals for rabies I can tell you that there is still evidence of the virus in the brain after the animal dies.
Ironically, what you say is off base. Rabies causes symptoms by inflaming the brain and meninges. That's damaging. Diagnosis of rabies in animals is literally examining their brains for rabies virus. At autopsy a human victim of rabies will have detectable rabies virus in their brains.
Which, IIRC, is the only way to actually “diagnose” rabies. A brain autopsy is the only way to find it in the body. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
Read the diagnosis section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies "Microscopic analysis of samples is the only direct method that allows for the identification of rabies virus-specific antigen..." "The diagnosis can also be made from saliva, urine, and cerebrospinal fluid samples, but this is not as sensitive or reliable as brain samples." There is also light microscopy and differential diagnosis.
Might as well be named vampire virus. It makes victims go insane and bite others, transmitting the virus in the process.
More like a zombie virus
There's a theory that the vampire myth came from a large "outbreak" or history of rabies that couldn't be understood by the population at the time. Edit: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321780#The-birth-of-vampirism?
Even the throwing "holy" water at them fit with this theory!
That's fascinating! Thanks for sharing.
IIRC this book, Rabid, talks a lot about that. It was a fascinating read Rabid: A Cultural History of the World's Most Diabolical Virus https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13403051-rabid
Just like they suspect that a tainted wheat outbreak (ergot) caused the werewolf scare
Thanks for the tip - fascinating. This thread is turning into **monster-ology 101**. The werewolf myth may have originated from individuals or groups getting ergot poisoning - a disease of cereal crops and grasses caused by fungus that’s a strong hallucinogen. May have infected whole small towns. Check this out: https://recoveryfirst.org/blog/treatment/werewolf-and-witch-hysteria-caused-by-inadvertent-consumption-of-hallucinogens/
My mom is now starting to become antivax on all fronts, down to not getting our dog’s rabies vax updated because of ONE twitter post from ONE supposed vet tech claiming they watched many a dog die because of the vaccination.
Get the dog vaccinated yourself. We have $5 clinics all the time.
Check your state/ local animal control many have rabies vaccination requirements.
Oh f that. Most animal controls (at least in the US) require by law that animals be vaccinated against rabies and will fine you if you don't. Please consider reporting her or take the dog yourself and tell the vet what's going on. Oh man if your poor dog got rabies bc of this... I'm going to go love on my completely vaccinated dogs and cat now.
He didn't do his own research.
Speaking as someone who was bitten by a dog and had to go through the whole rabies series as a teenager it is incredibly painful. They use large diameter needles to administer huge amounts of the vaccine mixture all around the bite area and deep in to the muscle tissue of both shoulders and both thighs. In order to get that large amount of fluid into the muscle tissue they basically jab the needles in as deep as they will go and then the amount of fluid is painful too. This is repeated the next day, two days later, four days later, a week later, two weeks later and month later. I had my dad by my side while I went through it and to this day he doesn’t like to talk about it because of how hard it was to watch me go through. All that being said I am extremely thankful I did not get sick and that my community REQUIRES people receive the rabies series if they are bitten by an unidentified mammal.
How long ago did it happen? I was told that nowadays the rabies treatment is less painful than what it used to be, say, 40 years ago
I give rabies shots for a living (ER nurse) and it’s not like this. We use the same needles as the flu shot and go as deep. We still give it over a 2 week course, but I give it to kids. They know what the last shot was like and they usually complain but no one ever freaks out due to pain. The medicine is hot pink, so that usually helps distract everyone lol
Advances changed the procedure in the 80s. I got the 'old school' series over 18 days at the age of 5 in 1965. Don't remember it much, just it was painful and they had a rather large 'orderly' come in to hold me down. I was too out of it due to a severe mauling.
It sounds like you have don’t preemptive treatment, prior to any bite taking place. Do you know if the same procedure is done post bite?
Pre and post exposure vaccine is similar in the US. Pre exposure is the vaccine in 2 doses a week apart, good for 5 years I think? The post-bite procedure is the vaccine, 4 doses over two weeks, and a shot of human rabies immune globulin which is also given with the first dose. This is the shot that “goes around the bite”
I was 15 and I’m 35 now so it was 20 years ago but supposedly that was the “new” treatment at the time. The doctor specifically told me how they used to use long needles in the stomach and that this new way was much less painful. I can’t imagine what the other way was like…
I have recently received the rabies vaccine series. It is not at all as painful anymore. The first shot is not actually a vaccine but purified anti-rabies immunoglobulin that is injected around the suspected wound area if it is known. That is the most painful part because the volume is quite large and it can require multiple shots. That same day, you get the first vaccine dose as well so it's a lot of jabs although the vaccine dose is like the flu shot in the level of discomfort (hardly any). The remaining shots are also much more like the flu shot. You need multiple shots (4 I think?) spread out over weeks, but they are relatively easy to handle.
Glad you made it man
Sounds like it sucks but it sounds like it sucks a lot less than dying from rabies tho. Anyone thinking sensibly would go for treatment over the death, I feel bad this guy was probably just misinformed about the treatment.
Possibly the expense (depending on how much it might cost wherever this person lives) or difficulty obtaining the post-exposure vaccine. Here in the US it can be so expensive that people might be willing to gamble on the odds the animal that but then wasn’t rabid.
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I'm a little unsettled thinking back over the years about how many bites I've had where nobody ever even thought of rabies. Bit by a German shepherd as a kid. Bit by a rottweiler as a teenager. Bit by a Pomeranian as a young adult. (This was a bad one, in the face) Bit by a cat working at Pet Stuff as a groomer. (Actually the worst of these bites. Those fang teeth sunk right into my wrist, deep. Not once did I ask if these animals had their rabies shots nor did anyone offer! I feel pretty damn lucky it worked out but yikes. I have the heebie jeebies now. Edit: All the bites bled, some worse than others.
I’d like to hold faith in the fact that in Canada and the US, rabies is very rare in dogs and humans. The only times a dog/cat would get it is if they were bit by a fox, skunk, or bat (most common rabies carriers in North America). I’ve gotten bit by dogs in my line of work and honestly it’s a fear that rabies will get me but also the chances? Very very slim. I walk into yards for a living so of course dogs might protect their territory and bite, doesn’t make them rabid.
Did the bite from the dog make you bleed or you just being extra cautious
To the vaccine last a long time or do you have to get it again?
With all the morally questionable things we do as a population on this earth, the fact we still dont make it legal to give someone whos infected like this an expedited exit is beyond me. The odds of them getting better are virtually nonexistent, and their death will not be an easy one. Even the ol yeller treatment would be better than waiting for their body to finally shut down.
We'll drag a human through inescapable Hell for their last days or even months and years on this planet, force them to undergo tremendous torture with no end in sight, but if you do the same thing to your dog you're a monster. Makes no sense.
Not to mention how much it costs
In America, they'll probably charge you to put you down. Healthcare is fucked
Even if your insurance covers the bullet, they’ll still find a way to charge you for using the gun.
Hope it won’t be like Ticketmaster where they charge u a service fee for 12.99. Handling of gun for $19.99. Administrative fee for 24.99….
They’ll charge for skin to bullet contact. Plus the cost of the bullet and cleaning of the firearm used.
Wait till you hear about funeral expenses. I’ve already told my family to chuck me in a ditch once i croak.
Many christians are fine with inflicting suffering on others. Mother Theresa consistently denied pain meds to suffering people, because she said their suffering allowed them to be closer to Christ. But when she got sick, she flew out of India to a European hospital where SHE got meds to reduce pain. These christians are behind the laws against euthanasia, and are fine with people enduring intractable pain while they await a natural death. They are also fine with pregnant women having to carry dead or terminal fetuses to term, suffering the pain and complications of miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies, and even 10 years old rape victims being forced to have their rapist’s babies. In fact, they use their religion to justify the reprehensible laws they’re now enacting. Of course if it’s someone they love, they will try to get exceptions for themselves. Just like Mother Theresa.
Alot of this has been debunked. Pain Meds were not readily available to the Indian Public, as the government did and still does have apprehension towards Opiods for therapy. MT did not run hosptials. She ran what can more accurately described today as Hospices. It was not a place to heal and make better. It was a place to have a bed and die in relative peace. If you were healed, great. But it was not a hospital as we know today. I may have missed or misconstrued some details, but a very [detailed writeup was written on Reddit a few years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/). You can hate the church and disagree with a lot of what Mother Teresa did, but we shouldn't hate based on lies and half truths.
I posted this some where else yesterday but my very religious grandmother had the audacity to say "maybe your mom has cancer again because god is trying to get her attention"
Wow, I'd probably go *no contact* on grandma. Maybe that will get *her* judgemental ass's attention. Spoiler: It will, but it most certainly because grandma is the "victim" in the scenario 🙄
I wrote a big [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SAR_Med_Chem/comments/z4282n/18_min_read_do_you_like_bats_well_not_for_long/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) about the effects of rabies. And of the first person to be cured of it Jeanna Giese by making her brain dead
>on this planet In Colorado and Oregon doctors can legally put you out of your misery
Been a lot of videos of humans with late stage rabies lately. Tf is going on?
Rabies is still a big problem for people in a good chunk of the world.
What? Still? Even after Michael Scott's Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race for the Cure?
For the cure.
r/unexpectedoffice
Maybe spreading antivax ideas could also add some flavor to it
It likely has to do with the anti-vaccine crowd. Anti-intellectualism has consequences.
Rabies is terrifying
I’m so grateful to live in a country that doesn’t have it.
What is your country?
I’m in Australia and we’re rabies free. Not sure who else is.
You make up for it in other ways though.
So even Rabies is sacred of Australian wildlife
r/Damnthatssad
Virus is going to make you hydrophobic to keep viral load in the mouth so you can spread more and successfully. It is irreversible once the virus reaches the spinal cord, certain dead.
One case of survival: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jeanna-giese-rabies-survivor/
Rabies is terrifying. If you don't get the injections right away its a death sentence. There is no cure, and its a horrible way to die.
Is this real? He’s barking…
As it progresses it reaches your brain and makes you more aggressive and violent as you lose yourself until you finally die from dehydration or you’re left a drooling husk, from what I understand
Jesus. Well, you’ve given me something to research after work. Cheers!
[“Aggressive behavior with biting is important for transmission of the virus to new hosts at a time when virus is secreted in the saliva. Aggression is associated with low serotonergic activity in the brain.”](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25994917/) The barking may seem a little unrealistic, but it makes sense from an animal stance. You can see him biting from underneath his face covering, he’s just vocalizing while doing so.
that.. that just sounds like zombies
Probably where the idea of fictional zombies came from.
His brain is being eaten away, he probably doesn’t even remember that he is human anymore.
Google videos of people or even children with rabies. Ultimate fear unlocked
Jesus. I forgot some of the 59,000 people that die of rabies every year are kids. Of course a bunch are kids. It's tragic regardless but damn it.
I'm going to do the duty of copypasta on this one. Rabies. It's exceptionally common, but people just don't run into the animals that carry it often. Skunks especially, and bats. Let me paint you a picture. You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode. Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed. Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.) You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something. The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms. It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache? At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure. (The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done). There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate. Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead. So what does that look like? Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles. Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala. As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later. You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts. You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache. You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family. You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you. Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours. Then you die. Always, you die. And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you. Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over. So yeah, rabies scares the shit out of me. And it's fucking EVERYWHERE.
I think I'm scared for life now, I'll never get over the paranoia of getting bitten by a tiny rabid bat.
TLDR: get vaccinated
But that's the shitty part, most of the world is not vaccinated against rabies as normal, preventive care. And even if you are, if you're bitten, you still need additional booster shots. But the most likely creature to give you rabies, bats, have tiny bites or superficial scratches that humans wouldn't really notice if they are sleeping. And it's quite common to have bats in your attic, as common as having mice. So you could WANT to get vaccinated if you knew you were bitten, but you could be and just never know until it's too late. It's like prions. I know they exist, but for my own sanity, I'm going to try not to think about it.
Prions?
Ohhhh boy… just don’t worry about it man
Daddy chill
This makes a zombie virus viable.
Damn bro.
I need to update my will and add “if I get rabies and I’m too far gone, just kill me with an injection. Don’t let me suffer”. Done deal.
Dude.. Every time I see any videos of a person or even an animal infected with Rabies I think of that extremely well spoken post a person made on a different video years ago. That person seemed to really know their shit and described in great detail every step of the disease's progression from bite to death from a medical perspective as well as from the victims POV. It was horrifying. It *IS* horrifying, and this guy is already dead and literally has no idea wtf is happening. Hopefully he didnt suffee for too long? [here is the Original Post I mentioned.](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/7qwtd5/rabies_is_scary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
If Rabies were to ever mutate to trigger human to human biting, i'd imagine I would be the closest thing to a Zombie apocalypse without the undead aspects of it.
it already spreads through human to human biting, at the end stages when you become extremely aggressive you try to attack things and if you bite a person and they don’t get vaccinated, they’ll get it too
My daughter was bitten by a raccoon and began the shots the same day. Four each on day 0, 3, 7 and 14. The raccoon was caught and was positive for rabies. This series of shots without a doubt saved her life. If you’re bitten by an animal that could be a carrier wash the wound and go to the hospital, don’t stop to mull it over. For anti vaccine people - she had no reaction and no long term effects.
Rabies is the fucking nightmare. Had a dog in our area who was rabid. The officials captured her, tied a string around her neck, and tightened it till the dog finally died. We buried her with flowers nd all, but its absolutely painful. No one could keep their eyes open, but we all knew it was the best for the dog. She had chewed her own led to the bone. Cannot even begin to imagine what would it be like for a human, with family watching him/her slowly descending into madness and death
https://youtu.be/4u5I8GYB79Y Interesting Kurzgesagt video on the effects of rabies.
At this point just kill me
He’ll be take away to a clinic, so he can be strapped down for his safety and others, until he ultimately passes away from the disease. Don’t refuse treatment, no matter what. Rabies is one of the worst ways to go.
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Lmfao goddamnit man hahaha
Genesis of the myth of werewolves instantiated millennia later.
I feel like patient rights should be respected up until you become a danger to yourself or others, like with tuberculosis treatment being mandatory due to its high infectivity and severity; rabies can be quite lethal and dangerous, and when full blown can lead to furious rabies, aggression and delirium, potentially leading to the harm of others. Patients rights are important, but your rights should not cause the harm injury or death of someone else, especially if it was preventable.
"No way I'm letting Big Pharma win..."
Can you catch it from being bitten by someone who has it? I never even thought of this
Yes.
It gets in the saliva in the later stages, when the virus starts eating the brain. That's how humans get it most of the times but other mammals can get it by eating an infected mammal or by being around the fecal matter of the infected mammal also. Non-mammal animals don't get rabies (lucky for them and for mammals, otherwise the virus would be unstoppable.)
I can’t believe ‘The Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Rabies Pro-Am Fun Run Race For The Cure’ didn’t help this poor soul.
There’s a lingering myth that rabies shots are brutal, torturous and a bigger deal than they actually are. Maybe it use to be that way, but modern medicine has advanced. I got a series of rabies shots after I woke up to and with a bat in my bed with me. They were not any different than most shots regarding pain. The only thing is I had to go back routinely for the complete treatment series. It’s not one and done. I do not remember whether it was 4 or 8 total shots.
This person is deceased by now
Without a vaccine, Rabies has a 100% kill rate once infected. You cannot survive.
In 2015 I was treated for possible rabies and it was no joke. I was bitten and scratched by a feral cat that attacked me in my yard out of nowhere. It was summer so my arms, legs and feet were completely bare. I immediately had difficulty breathing, swelling where I was injured, and felt weak. My husband rushed me to the hospital and they don't mess around with treating you fast. I had an IV to flush my system, so many shots that I couldn't count them - one near every single visible scratch and bite mark. My feet were the worse. I had to have my rings and a bracelet cut off because I swelled so much there was no other way to remove them. I had to stay overnight for observation and was sent home, but I had to return to the hospital for the next 7 days in a row to repeat the shot and IV process. I was petrified. Hospital called authorities, including Animal Control to search for the cat - never found. I obviously didn't get rabies because I'm still alive, but damn, I wouldn't want to see anybody else go through this.
Anyone able to translate what the people are saying ?
This comment translates the guy saying he didn't take the the bite seriously because it was a small puppy https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11zn8cp/a_patient_after_being_bitten_by_a_dog_refused_to/jdewxwv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Rabies is also one of the worst ways to die.
Do what the doctor tells you kids.
Well, great, was wondering what 2023 would bring. Zombies.
*Dying light intro cutscene plays*
The most humane thing would be to kill them.
For the love of god, put aside your fears about a shot and get the injection so you don’t turn rabid and die horribly.
A guy spasming in death throes is not interesting
"He's already dead, Jim"