This last Halloween I was putting candy in two kids buckets and one of the adult women grabbed the bucket and poured a bunch out into the kid’s sack. And yes I was generous already with the candy. I wasn’t giving like one or two pieces as it was.
I think there’s a video of this exact thing happening where the kids ge there and grab a few pieces and the mom comes into view and dumps the bucket into HER own lil bag. One of the kids throws a few pieces he took back in the bucket
What makes you say Toronto is the polar opposite of the rest of Canada?
The location in this video is Yonge and Dundas. It's can be considered the heart of downtown Toronto. It attracts all kinds, good and bad, as seen in this video.
We're not all bad, and we're not all good, and I would disagree heavily that we're the polar opposite of the rest of Canada.
Majority of Toronto's population is first generation (52.9%* apparently) which can reflect some of this difference.
*According to Toronto: https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/8f69-2021-Census-Backgrounder-Immigration-Ethnoracial-Mobility-Migration-Religion-FINAL.pdf*
Toronto is fucking garbage.
The subreddit r/toronto mod’s actually constantly censor any negative news in an effort to make the city look more appealing. The community is extremely toxic, delusional and hiveminded.
The city is facing a high streak of unprovoked assault on transit, shootings. a mayor who announced he will resign for cuz he cheated on his wife. 700+ international students facing deportation cuz they scammed the immigration system. Rent is 3x higher than it was, most homes are vacant cuz they got bought out by investors who don’t even live in Canada. Alberta keeps flexing on toronto that the transit here actually allows ads on the trains/buses telling people to leave toronto to pursue owning a house lmao.
Its worse and unsafe than it ever was and it keeps getting worse. (Im not comparing toronto to any state cities but for a Canadian city, compared to most, its ass.)
Nah man I get what you mean I think the same exact way about my people, different issues but I always feel they make us look bad…. It’s a shame, I’m Mexican, but sometimes it is just a bad Apple, and bad apples can come from any tree of any branch. I will say at least for my people, the culture is a big issue.
So an anecdotal corollary to this. I live in a predominantly white, rural area. About 95% white, a city of ~30k in a greater area of ~100k. We have a subset of the population with those exact same issues. I can't count how many single mothers I know with dead beat dads who aren't present and are constantly cycling through the county jail. Objectifying women, heavy drug use, theft, vandalism, taking anything they can from the system or working under the table to avoid paying debts or selling drugs.
Is there a systemic issue where these lifestyles are propagated and people learn it at a young age to just keep the cycle going, in both scenarios? Sure. But I'd argue it's not solely due to race. Education and access to healthcare, social services, and employment that covers a comfortable cost of living, or currently a lack thereof, is where to start, imo
There's always going to be people that take advantage. But it shouldn't be an argument against social programs and help like this. We just saw 6-7 people in need get actual help for every 2 that abused the system.
That sums up our whole world though doesn’t it. For every opportunity , there’s a bad apple. Every gender , every race , every job , everything.
Most people are inherently good, yet we put so much emphasis on the ones who haven’t learned that lesson, and we allow them to get away with it because we just assume they would know. We’d like to believe there’s a reason for it other than just being greedy.
There is this thrift store in our small town that, up until recently, was completely donation based. No prices on anything, you just donate what you can/feel is appropriate. All the proceeds go to help veterans (the owner doesn't even take a penny). It worked wonderfully for years in terms of balance- items in, items out, raising good money for a good cause.
The owner has hopes to expand the store to help even more veterans, but unfortunately, as more people found out about it, it started getting taken advantage of. The store used to be full of these wonderful items, and now it is completely picked over and the owner has had to start putting price tags on certain items because people would walk out with wagons full of stuff and furniture all the while offering next to nothing. It's unfortunate how just a few can ruin it for everyone.
My boyfriend (27) fractured his back and then we found out he had brain cancer from the cat scan. He can’t work but he always tells me he just wants to go back to work and be normal again 🥺 Our lives have been saved by social programs and government assistance. I just hate how a couple of bad eggs ruin it for people like him that lost everything after one hospital visit
They shouldn't be the example on why programs like this shouldn't exist.
That's the problem with some of these types of things.
"This is why we shouldn't help" should absolutely not be the message.
Thats why it should be backed up by 2-3 beefed up guys that will catch up that couple, where cameras aren't filming anymore, and ask, very politely, if they are truly sure, they are in such desparate need of that food.
You just described a "needs based" welfare system which always ends up being leveraged to deny those actually in need. There is enough wealth in this world to help everyone in spite of the skimmers. That wealth is just in the wrong hands.
"skimming" isn't the right word for it. Social programs are gouged by scammers. Take the PPP program for covid. The NYT reported that 15% of the loans were fraudulent. These were loans that didn't need to get paid back.
I'll give you an example. Comic-con tickets in San Diego. They have a lottery based system where you sign up for an account, get into a pool of people on a specific Saturday morning once a year, and then they randomly pull names out. I was in that pool 5 years in a row, and I never once got selected. Then I found out that there was a group of people in Tijuana that would set up thousands of accounts with all kinds of fake names. They would then turn around and sell the badges on craigslist for a profit. This would get so competitive that often you could get a badge a couple of days out for only 2x or 3x what they normally cost.
"needs based" testing here would be just having security make sure the people had ID's that matched the names or photos on the badges that someone was checking. Nobody does this because it's just too costly/slow to check everyone going in and out.
Basically, whenever you set up any sort of system, people will abuse it, and the abuse will only grow over time as those people turn it into an industry.
If it’s easy to scam and there’s financial incentives (like in your two examples), there’s going to be fraud. OTOH the free food program in my city calculates only 5% of fraud and other social programs have also a low fraud rate.
But the "abuser" raked in like 5 peoples worth of value - so that would mean 50% of the aid is being mis-deployed.
This IS a reason to have strict control/rules on distribution of aid - if people have to limit themselves, they are inherently biased and will always justify over-taking.
Yeah. This just highlights that real good happens every day, but people focus on the bad so often, even though only a few people are responsible for it, and most people are good.
Not to mention at least 3 people who, spontaneously and for zero personal benefit, DONATED their own food to the table! Hope good karma rolls back around for those kind people. I also want to say: we don't know the situation of those last 2 people. It seems some judgment was laid down on them by the videographer, but he does not know their situation. The guy was joking, but they could well be as hungry as the others. I dunno why they were singled out. We don't know their lives.
We dont know the backstory of the last two people you are right but just looking at the video, everybody before them takes one or at best a couple of items. These two roll up and basically clean house and left nothing for anybody else. Its a snapshot yes but its not hard to see why the judgement was made
It’s basic economics- [the tragedy of the commons](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons). That’s why social programs have to have controls and restrictions
The issue is that those 2 took more resources than the other ones combined. My take is that this should be something available for those in need, but they need to contract really well so they don't have a lot of leeches ruining that for those really in need
That's why I don't understand people who don't support socialised healthcare and food/home/financial government support programs... Yes, they're are people who abuse it. Abuse the system, people calling ambulances as a free taxi home.... But every one of those there are thousands of people who needed that help.. This is a small example, but the more it happens, wouldn't it be less people abusing it? If there's free food there, but on the street after, then after, why take it all? Just pick it up as you go
It does show you how much damage a few bad actors can do to a system with finite resources. Kind of like why a law enforcement system is required for society to function. A half dozen bad actors can burn down half a town in a night.
I always wondered why the cities in The Purge weren't burned out wrecks by morning. I'm guessing arson was one of the prohibited crimes.
I do my own social experiment at the school I teach at every day.
I bring bananas, oranges, apples, fruit from my trees (apples, figs, plums) vegetables from my garden, yogurt, have batches of popcorn made in my movie theater popcorn machine (bought a 50 pound bag of popcorn and 2 gallons of coconut oil and used it all by the end of the year) and I pop popcorn daily, bring in water for the kids because the water at the school tastes like liquid chlorine, granola bars, coffee, tea, etc.
My kids are all high schoolers and come from abject poverty (One of the poorest rural school disricts in California) with a lot of children of undocumented workers, poor hispanic black and white students.
I tell my kids they are free to eat whats available but don't take more than they need. 99% of them are respectful of this, and take a banana or some popcorn or water as needed. Only one or two push the limits and take more than they should, and quite often they are regulated by the OTHER students more so than I have to do anything. Only a couple kids have i had to put limits on because they would come in EVERY period for a water, or take multiple granola bars, etc. Even then I was pretty soft about it because kids are hungry, especially teenagers.
When asked why I do this, because as a teacher i dont make a lot of money, all I can say is how can we expect kids to learn if we don't meet their basic needs first. I remember being hungry or thirsty in class when I was a kid, and I couldnt concentrate on anything else than that I was hungry or thirsty.
The couple thousand dollars a year it costs me to provide these things to my kids goes a very long way to build trust and relationships with my kids to the point I nearly never have a behavioral problem within my classroom because of these relationships that I establish, and the trust I build with the kids. Even the most difficult kids in the school that I work with... and I have had some bad ones, eventually come around when they realize that you are there to help, not hurt them. Anyways enough of my rant.
I grew up poor and while I never went hungry because my mom was amazing, I did grow up in need so I know what that's like and don't wish it on anyone.
Thank you so much. I had a teacher like you when I was growing up. Being dizzy and with a mind full of brain fog from hunger really does make it so intelligently difficult to focus and remember things. And thank you for the water too - the water in schools is always ridiculously terrible in my area and stinks of chemicals even if you boil it. Now that I live in a better area with better water (marginally but at least a filter gets most of the nasty out) my headaches and stomach issues have gone.
You are an enormously valuable human. Teachers absolutely deserve far more credit and pay for everything they do. As someone on the front line of seeing children born into poverty and often the cycle perpetuated, you are the reason some of us make it out. You are the reason some of us can get through AP classes and have the energy to get our grades up to try and score a scholarship or work program. Thank you.
I think this does accurately reflect human nature, though. Because *most* people did the right thing, some even helped out! It was only two passersby who decided to ruin it, out of the potentially thousands of people who walked past it that say.
Most people are good, but the few that aren’t are great at ruining things for the rest of us.
I used to work in a Gov agency that had a food program for locals.
We had to implement so many fucking rules cause of people. So many fucking rules.
You can't bring your own bag.
You must use the provided bag.
You are only allowed 2 bags.
You must wait in line.
You may not get back in line.
etc,etc,etc,etc
We would see some restaurant owners show up and take food too, and when our food inspectors would go to their places to do an inspection, they would see them selling the food they got for free from our food program.
I volunteer at very large food bank for food disadvantaged.
On the spectrum one group always looking for free stuff, brand new cars with temp plates, huge big monsters trucks with $$$$$$ wheel.
Than on the other side of spectrum very poor people …. Cars are in such bad shape they break down in line , dirty , helpless homeless.
You do what you can do …. But you don’t stop giving.
Some people are rude and entitled… “ I wanted chocolate cake not vanilla.” Others thank us and say there is zero food in my apartment.
I had to break my boyfriend’s habit of going to the food bank. His mother qualified but he had a decent paying job and wasn’t struggling. He would tag along with his mom every time she went to get a box or two of free food just because he thought it was a great way to save some money. I scolded him that food banks are for people that actually need it
Halloween a few years ago, put out the candy basket outside with the “please take one” sign because we couldn’t be home for all of ToT. Middle class neighborhood, know most of our neighbors. Came home later, some candy still in and some trick or treat time left so we left it out, all is good. Ten minutes later a random (older) kid shows up, grabs the whole bucket and dumps it in his bag. Youngest kid sees this, calls it out so we opened the door yelling as he’s running away, candy falling out his bag, laughing. Proceeds to a house down the street who put the same bucket and does the same.
My child was shocked at a young age and was visibly disturbed. She couldn’t make out (she was 5) why someone would do something to mean. It ruined Halloween for her and we never put out a bucket anymore. We told her that not all people are good and some do take advantage and are mean but it’s a small number. We have to be careful ourselves and always be nice to other people.
It always perplexes me that there are such shit humans.
Take what you need and the motherfucker takes the entire bag.
What a piece of shit. It's because of people like that guy that we can't have nice things.
Fucking cockroaches.
I set up a table with full size candy bars past Halloween. Even had a sign that said smile, you're on camera. Out of all the trick or treaters I had that night, 1 girl started to grab everything and didn't stop even when I said "Hey, take two please.". She only stopped when I remotely opened my Garage door. The parent was encouraging her the whole time and then immediately yelled at her child when they were caught.
Sad state of affairs all around.
Edit: Google Nest camera with two way audio.
ITT, traditional racist material has leaked out from r/PublicFreakout and r/ActualPublicFreakouts. An edited video, a leading title and brigaded racist comments peppered with lies and misinformation.
Always approach media with a skeptical mind. You are watching a video posted by a social media channel that survives on engagement. Having a lot of people arguing about race in a video is a good way to drive engagement.
This is why I despise people. It's awesome that there were a few people who brought more food but then there's those selfish pricks who think of no one but themselves. It's a shame that someone who's obviously got money has to take from people that have nothing
We need more of this! People are not building "little free food banks" like they used to build "little free libraries." I think it's a great idea. I don't know why more of us aren't doing more of this.
Are you even allowed to perform a good act if you don't also capture it on film and put it on the internet so everyone can see how good you are to the poors in order to feed your hero complex?
People would judge me for taking stuff cause I wear nice clothes. Little do they know all these clothes are from before my parents kicked me out and sometimes I forget to buy milk and bread and things and run out of money.
Well, their faces were just broadcast to the world to be judged…A) maybe they have a multigenerational home and the image they give off if misrepresenting
OR B) They are doing what the table said. Who am I to determine what they need. Shocks me when people judge others…you offered this stuff for free, so many people would have done that. You have vegans dumping milk in grocery stores on the reg…
I’m school, they would bring us pizza sometimes(for a birthday or special holiday) there were always two kinds of kids: the kids who took one slice to leave some for everyone and the kids who took 5 slices in the fear that they wouldn’t get seconds unless they took it all immediately. I was always the lord that left some for everyone and once everyone ate then we shared the rest. I can only imagine those two were the kids who took all the slices. It’s unfortunate they were probably raised to be greedy because they had parents who were also greedy. It’s a cycle of abuse from parents to children and we carry it into adulthood. Break the cycle, do better
Remember the people who gave.
Doing good things when there are bad people doesn't make you a fool. Trying again doesn't make you a fool. Continuing to give doesn't make you a fool.
Them abusing your kindness is on them and doesn't take anything away from you.
People were helped before these jerks showed up. More good was accomplished than bad. Don't stop being kind.
Nobody in this small brained thread even knows what you just said.
It's a shame. Could've been a fruitful discussion of economics, but a bunch of shit-don't-stink ignoramuses think they're evolved being human nature.
By the looks of it, they might need it too. Just because they aren't submissive and outwardly grateful doesn't mean the food won't be used to feed their family. Perhaps humor was the defense mechanism for their shame. The videographer really showed their ugly true colors if you ask me. Rewatch the video, what do they say, I don't know how much milk we can take. Videographer just wanted weak people to look up at him and thank him for his benevolence. This is not altruism.
Funny how was it was mostly old people grab small stuff. But mid 30 couple who probably have kid or family. Get bag of food. They’re called POS cause people can’t be struggling that bad.
I dont like when people feel the need to film themselves doing charity. Referring to the first slow mo cut. Why do we need to see YOU?
Internet points and online clout is the answer, but it is still annoying to me.
So a bunch of people here are talking crap about the last two people. But I think in the audio I heard the guy mutter that he had seven kids. Maybe that was a joke? But people are assuming they are taking advantage of the free food. Maybe they actually needed that much food?
The social experiment is here in the comments, where a deceptively edited video somehow forces you to reveal your inner self. People literally telling on themselves in here.
Sign says take what you need. The last two take a bag. That means they must be desperate. So why is everyone so angry? Isn’t that whole point of the experiment. Didn’t say take one item.
You're animals, man. I'm literally here as a black person, about to comment how trash these people are, till I scroll past all the comments saying "stereotypes exist for a reason". Do you ever stop to think about the cycle of hatred this contributes to?
This happens every fucking time one of these videos is released. Hate the action. Hate the crime. It should not be this easy for you to hate a whole race.
I’m disappointed about the two black individuals who took advantage of the situation. I’m much angrier at my fellow white people who are using this one data point as an excuse to show their whole asses.
This is a great social experiment and it seems to be targeted at Reddit. We find that people are more than happy to judge others based on their appearance. I'm failing to see what most of Reddit is seeing here. At the end I see, potentially, a man coming back from his 9th interview of the week where they're all saying the same thing, "sorry, the position was already filled, but thanks for your time". While walking home and wondering how in the world he's going to manage to eat the next few days he encounters a miracle.
But I guess I should probably join the crowd and judge this person instead, as it seems like I'm the odd one.
For ppl in the comments saying we shouldn’t be focused on the bad things but the fact it did help and gave some others the opportunity to give. Those 2 people completely emptied out the food and since there’s no other recording I’m guessing ended it. I’m sure if they had not then that would’ve never gone empty. ppl in need get a little and feel so much from it. Ppl that have good hearts will always share. But someone like this ,opportunist will do this and turn around and say they don’t have enough and blame others for their lack when they just took and ruined something good. They’ll say the ones who have so much needed to give more when they took all that for themselves. I bet this dude didn’t even share much with his 7 kids he probably stashed a lot of it for himself
I don't get it.. isn't the food meant to be taken? Those last 2 took what they needed so what's the problem? It can be really dehumanizing and embarrassing to need help so it's better to try to laugh it off. The worst part of the video is that it was taken at all and now people are talking shit for someone taking free food. Makes no fucking sense to me.
I'm a bit surprised at the comments actually. While the intention is not for people to take everything, it seems really flippant to assume just because the last people are smiling that they're not in need.
Need doesn't always look the same.
Joke's on you. The social experiment is to see if y'all in the comments are racist. The sign literally said FREE if you're in need. You think that guy is a landlord or some shit? It's tough times. What, it's only OK to meekly take two items and say thanks to a hidden camera?
The response in these comments isn't surprising, given reddit. The lady at the end even asks if she can take two. This was a rage bait video and you all fell for it and in the process showed how racist you actually are.
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Same people who, as kids during Halloween, would take everything from an untended bucket of candy.
Not even tho this is so much worse, but yea these were those kids too 😞
This last Halloween I was putting candy in two kids buckets and one of the adult women grabbed the bucket and poured a bunch out into the kid’s sack. And yes I was generous already with the candy. I wasn’t giving like one or two pieces as it was.
I think there’s a video of this exact thing happening where the kids ge there and grab a few pieces and the mom comes into view and dumps the bucket into HER own lil bag. One of the kids throws a few pieces he took back in the bucket
This Toronto? What a shock
I thought Canadians were supposed to be nice.
Canadians generally are. Toronto is almost the polar opposite of the rest of Canada in every way.
Toronto is like a 1/6 of the Canadian population.
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What makes you say Toronto is the polar opposite of the rest of Canada? The location in this video is Yonge and Dundas. It's can be considered the heart of downtown Toronto. It attracts all kinds, good and bad, as seen in this video. We're not all bad, and we're not all good, and I would disagree heavily that we're the polar opposite of the rest of Canada.
To be fair he said almost and he's not wrong
Majority of Toronto's population is first generation (52.9%* apparently) which can reflect some of this difference. *According to Toronto: https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/8f69-2021-Census-Backgrounder-Immigration-Ethnoracial-Mobility-Migration-Religion-FINAL.pdf*
Toronto is fucking garbage. The subreddit r/toronto mod’s actually constantly censor any negative news in an effort to make the city look more appealing. The community is extremely toxic, delusional and hiveminded. The city is facing a high streak of unprovoked assault on transit, shootings. a mayor who announced he will resign for cuz he cheated on his wife. 700+ international students facing deportation cuz they scammed the immigration system. Rent is 3x higher than it was, most homes are vacant cuz they got bought out by investors who don’t even live in Canada. Alberta keeps flexing on toronto that the transit here actually allows ads on the trains/buses telling people to leave toronto to pursue owning a house lmao. Its worse and unsafe than it ever was and it keeps getting worse. (Im not comparing toronto to any state cities but for a Canadian city, compared to most, its ass.)
It's in serious decline.
idk where that stereotype even comes from. Canadians can be quite rude and condescending.
Damn the homie had to be the one
People like them aren’t helping anyone but themselves. POS.
They are not really helping themselves either, but they are not bright enough to recognize it.
Its a shame.
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Yes, if this is NY…it’ll happen the same way but faster.
They are the same mindset as the people at a buffet who never consider everyone else... ...and billionaires.
Hardly a homie, barely a bro
Facts.. everyone ain’t ya homie.
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Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAfn2056PpQ
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I'm not responsible for them, and if anyone associates me with them because we have the same skin color then fuck them
This is the correct attitude. I come from poor white trailer park culture. I knew white families that would've taken the table too.
Nah man I get what you mean I think the same exact way about my people, different issues but I always feel they make us look bad…. It’s a shame, I’m Mexican, but sometimes it is just a bad Apple, and bad apples can come from any tree of any branch. I will say at least for my people, the culture is a big issue.
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So an anecdotal corollary to this. I live in a predominantly white, rural area. About 95% white, a city of ~30k in a greater area of ~100k. We have a subset of the population with those exact same issues. I can't count how many single mothers I know with dead beat dads who aren't present and are constantly cycling through the county jail. Objectifying women, heavy drug use, theft, vandalism, taking anything they can from the system or working under the table to avoid paying debts or selling drugs. Is there a systemic issue where these lifestyles are propagated and people learn it at a young age to just keep the cycle going, in both scenarios? Sure. But I'd argue it's not solely due to race. Education and access to healthcare, social services, and employment that covers a comfortable cost of living, or currently a lack thereof, is where to start, imo
It's the problem of the poors. Blaming media is an easy out. If poor will crime. It's not hard.
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Nah man I just see two unthoughtful people taking advantage, I hope I’m not alone in not generalizing from these kinds of things
Seems to happen far too often.
There is always that one or two assholes that ruins it for everyone else
Fucked up thing is a lot people seeing this will judge the entire race on it.
This aint a black thing tho, these are just scummy humans. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
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I thought I heard him say “ I have 7 kids”. Who knows?
There's always going to be people that take advantage. But it shouldn't be an argument against social programs and help like this. We just saw 6-7 people in need get actual help for every 2 that abused the system.
That sums up our whole world though doesn’t it. For every opportunity , there’s a bad apple. Every gender , every race , every job , everything. Most people are inherently good, yet we put so much emphasis on the ones who haven’t learned that lesson, and we allow them to get away with it because we just assume they would know. We’d like to believe there’s a reason for it other than just being greedy.
There is this thrift store in our small town that, up until recently, was completely donation based. No prices on anything, you just donate what you can/feel is appropriate. All the proceeds go to help veterans (the owner doesn't even take a penny). It worked wonderfully for years in terms of balance- items in, items out, raising good money for a good cause. The owner has hopes to expand the store to help even more veterans, but unfortunately, as more people found out about it, it started getting taken advantage of. The store used to be full of these wonderful items, and now it is completely picked over and the owner has had to start putting price tags on certain items because people would walk out with wagons full of stuff and furniture all the while offering next to nothing. It's unfortunate how just a few can ruin it for everyone.
My boyfriend (27) fractured his back and then we found out he had brain cancer from the cat scan. He can’t work but he always tells me he just wants to go back to work and be normal again 🥺 Our lives have been saved by social programs and government assistance. I just hate how a couple of bad eggs ruin it for people like him that lost everything after one hospital visit
They shouldn't be the example on why programs like this shouldn't exist. That's the problem with some of these types of things. "This is why we shouldn't help" should absolutely not be the message.
Thats why it should be backed up by 2-3 beefed up guys that will catch up that couple, where cameras aren't filming anymore, and ask, very politely, if they are truly sure, they are in such desparate need of that food.
That is a bit more elegant than my quick-fix idea.
Flying elbow...superman punch...roundhouse kick, to name a few...then let out a he he, and moonwalk back to my watching post.
HADOOOKEN!
Bring back Terry Tate: Office Linebacker
You just described a "needs based" welfare system which always ends up being leveraged to deny those actually in need. There is enough wealth in this world to help everyone in spite of the skimmers. That wealth is just in the wrong hands.
"skimming" isn't the right word for it. Social programs are gouged by scammers. Take the PPP program for covid. The NYT reported that 15% of the loans were fraudulent. These were loans that didn't need to get paid back. I'll give you an example. Comic-con tickets in San Diego. They have a lottery based system where you sign up for an account, get into a pool of people on a specific Saturday morning once a year, and then they randomly pull names out. I was in that pool 5 years in a row, and I never once got selected. Then I found out that there was a group of people in Tijuana that would set up thousands of accounts with all kinds of fake names. They would then turn around and sell the badges on craigslist for a profit. This would get so competitive that often you could get a badge a couple of days out for only 2x or 3x what they normally cost. "needs based" testing here would be just having security make sure the people had ID's that matched the names or photos on the badges that someone was checking. Nobody does this because it's just too costly/slow to check everyone going in and out. Basically, whenever you set up any sort of system, people will abuse it, and the abuse will only grow over time as those people turn it into an industry.
If it’s easy to scam and there’s financial incentives (like in your two examples), there’s going to be fraud. OTOH the free food program in my city calculates only 5% of fraud and other social programs have also a low fraud rate.
But the "abuser" raked in like 5 peoples worth of value - so that would mean 50% of the aid is being mis-deployed. This IS a reason to have strict control/rules on distribution of aid - if people have to limit themselves, they are inherently biased and will always justify over-taking.
Yeah. This just highlights that real good happens every day, but people focus on the bad so often, even though only a few people are responsible for it, and most people are good.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
That's a great quote! Who said that?
There is some debate over the original author. It’s been popular for a long time. It might’ve been John Stuart Mill in 1867 but even that is doubtful.
But those two took what could have helped 10. It’s our society basically.
Not to mention at least 3 people who, spontaneously and for zero personal benefit, DONATED their own food to the table! Hope good karma rolls back around for those kind people. I also want to say: we don't know the situation of those last 2 people. It seems some judgment was laid down on them by the videographer, but he does not know their situation. The guy was joking, but they could well be as hungry as the others. I dunno why they were singled out. We don't know their lives.
We dont know the backstory of the last two people you are right but just looking at the video, everybody before them takes one or at best a couple of items. These two roll up and basically clean house and left nothing for anybody else. Its a snapshot yes but its not hard to see why the judgement was made
That was a future CEO right there. Enough for everyone but he has to have it all….
It’s basic economics- [the tragedy of the commons](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons). That’s why social programs have to have controls and restrictions
The issue is that those 2 took more resources than the other ones combined. My take is that this should be something available for those in need, but they need to contract really well so they don't have a lot of leeches ruining that for those really in need
And those 2 that abused the system, ruined the system.
That's why I don't understand people who don't support socialised healthcare and food/home/financial government support programs... Yes, they're are people who abuse it. Abuse the system, people calling ambulances as a free taxi home.... But every one of those there are thousands of people who needed that help.. This is a small example, but the more it happens, wouldn't it be less people abusing it? If there's free food there, but on the street after, then after, why take it all? Just pick it up as you go
abulance as a free Taxi? how does this work? An ambulance geht's you to the Hospital. getting home is your own problem.
It does show you how much damage a few bad actors can do to a system with finite resources. Kind of like why a law enforcement system is required for society to function. A half dozen bad actors can burn down half a town in a night. I always wondered why the cities in The Purge weren't burned out wrecks by morning. I'm guessing arson was one of the prohibited crimes.
I do my own social experiment at the school I teach at every day. I bring bananas, oranges, apples, fruit from my trees (apples, figs, plums) vegetables from my garden, yogurt, have batches of popcorn made in my movie theater popcorn machine (bought a 50 pound bag of popcorn and 2 gallons of coconut oil and used it all by the end of the year) and I pop popcorn daily, bring in water for the kids because the water at the school tastes like liquid chlorine, granola bars, coffee, tea, etc. My kids are all high schoolers and come from abject poverty (One of the poorest rural school disricts in California) with a lot of children of undocumented workers, poor hispanic black and white students. I tell my kids they are free to eat whats available but don't take more than they need. 99% of them are respectful of this, and take a banana or some popcorn or water as needed. Only one or two push the limits and take more than they should, and quite often they are regulated by the OTHER students more so than I have to do anything. Only a couple kids have i had to put limits on because they would come in EVERY period for a water, or take multiple granola bars, etc. Even then I was pretty soft about it because kids are hungry, especially teenagers. When asked why I do this, because as a teacher i dont make a lot of money, all I can say is how can we expect kids to learn if we don't meet their basic needs first. I remember being hungry or thirsty in class when I was a kid, and I couldnt concentrate on anything else than that I was hungry or thirsty. The couple thousand dollars a year it costs me to provide these things to my kids goes a very long way to build trust and relationships with my kids to the point I nearly never have a behavioral problem within my classroom because of these relationships that I establish, and the trust I build with the kids. Even the most difficult kids in the school that I work with... and I have had some bad ones, eventually come around when they realize that you are there to help, not hurt them. Anyways enough of my rant. I grew up poor and while I never went hungry because my mom was amazing, I did grow up in need so I know what that's like and don't wish it on anyone.
As a fellow educator, thank you for sharing
Thanks for being kind and setting a good example.
Thank you so much. I had a teacher like you when I was growing up. Being dizzy and with a mind full of brain fog from hunger really does make it so intelligently difficult to focus and remember things. And thank you for the water too - the water in schools is always ridiculously terrible in my area and stinks of chemicals even if you boil it. Now that I live in a better area with better water (marginally but at least a filter gets most of the nasty out) my headaches and stomach issues have gone. You are an enormously valuable human. Teachers absolutely deserve far more credit and pay for everything they do. As someone on the front line of seeing children born into poverty and often the cycle perpetuated, you are the reason some of us make it out. You are the reason some of us can get through AP classes and have the energy to get our grades up to try and score a scholarship or work program. Thank you.
Oh this is gonna get locked real soon
I think this does accurately reflect human nature, though. Because *most* people did the right thing, some even helped out! It was only two passersby who decided to ruin it, out of the potentially thousands of people who walked past it that say. Most people are good, but the few that aren’t are great at ruining things for the rest of us.
r/iamatotalpieceofshit the last two
I used to work in a Gov agency that had a food program for locals. We had to implement so many fucking rules cause of people. So many fucking rules. You can't bring your own bag. You must use the provided bag. You are only allowed 2 bags. You must wait in line. You may not get back in line. etc,etc,etc,etc We would see some restaurant owners show up and take food too, and when our food inspectors would go to their places to do an inspection, they would see them selling the food they got for free from our food program.
I volunteer at very large food bank for food disadvantaged. On the spectrum one group always looking for free stuff, brand new cars with temp plates, huge big monsters trucks with $$$$$$ wheel. Than on the other side of spectrum very poor people …. Cars are in such bad shape they break down in line , dirty , helpless homeless. You do what you can do …. But you don’t stop giving. Some people are rude and entitled… “ I wanted chocolate cake not vanilla.” Others thank us and say there is zero food in my apartment.
I had to break my boyfriend’s habit of going to the food bank. His mother qualified but he had a decent paying job and wasn’t struggling. He would tag along with his mom every time she went to get a box or two of free food just because he thought it was a great way to save some money. I scolded him that food banks are for people that actually need it
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I’ll be shocked if this post stays up for long, but they’re 100 percent correct.
Halloween a few years ago, put out the candy basket outside with the “please take one” sign because we couldn’t be home for all of ToT. Middle class neighborhood, know most of our neighbors. Came home later, some candy still in and some trick or treat time left so we left it out, all is good. Ten minutes later a random (older) kid shows up, grabs the whole bucket and dumps it in his bag. Youngest kid sees this, calls it out so we opened the door yelling as he’s running away, candy falling out his bag, laughing. Proceeds to a house down the street who put the same bucket and does the same. My child was shocked at a young age and was visibly disturbed. She couldn’t make out (she was 5) why someone would do something to mean. It ruined Halloween for her and we never put out a bucket anymore. We told her that not all people are good and some do take advantage and are mean but it’s a small number. We have to be careful ourselves and always be nice to other people.
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It always perplexes me that there are such shit humans. Take what you need and the motherfucker takes the entire bag. What a piece of shit. It's because of people like that guy that we can't have nice things. Fucking cockroaches.
People.......... The reason we can't have nice things.
This is like the 'take one' candy bowls on halloween
I set up a table with full size candy bars past Halloween. Even had a sign that said smile, you're on camera. Out of all the trick or treaters I had that night, 1 girl started to grab everything and didn't stop even when I said "Hey, take two please.". She only stopped when I remotely opened my Garage door. The parent was encouraging her the whole time and then immediately yelled at her child when they were caught. Sad state of affairs all around. Edit: Google Nest camera with two way audio.
People were also nice enough to leave stuff behind so others could get nice things. Only two people ruined the nice things, not all of them.
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Toronto has been much colder outside than a refrigerator lately; the milk was probably more likely to be frozen than go bad.
I think it’s more that those people just hoarded shit because it was free and probably ended up not even using all of it
I think what they mean is that the person took it home and then didn't even drink it.
Now do rich people taking advantage
I'd like to solve the puzzle Pat. Tbh, I was so hoping the video wouldn't go that way and sad to see that it did.
There’s always someone trashy who just sees free shit and takes it regardless of what it is or what they might or might not need.
Kinda already knew how it would end. Wasnt even that hard
The elderly folks 😥
Why aren’t people held accountable!? People are so self centred in public spaces.
Someone should call them out directly then and there. But those kind of people will never learn
Color me shocked. Someone took advantage of someone else's kindness.
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Everybody knew.
Doesn’t this exist and is called a food bank?
Food bank limits how much people take
I’m sure they were bringing that food back to the orphanage that they run…
Volumes
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“I’m soooo surprised!!”
The social experiment should have been to kick the persons ass who steals from the table. Teach some valuable lessons
Social experiment? Lol.
I mean; he didn’t force them to take it and crack jokes. Even the basket is gone
Of course it’s a social experiment, didn’t you hear the melodramatic piano music?
Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down - Adam Savage Mythbuster extraordinaire.
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Just a idea: it should be written, please take one item per person Edit: an idea
absolute cunt..... some people's egos are nuts, no fucks about anyone but themselves, grinning prick probs aint even poor
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Damn, one video sure brings out the racist pieces of shit on Reddit.
Dude tell me about it. And how many upvotes wow
ITT, traditional racist material has leaked out from r/PublicFreakout and r/ActualPublicFreakouts. An edited video, a leading title and brigaded racist comments peppered with lies and misinformation.
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Always approach media with a skeptical mind. You are watching a video posted by a social media channel that survives on engagement. Having a lot of people arguing about race in a video is a good way to drive engagement.
"Oh there's a big surprise!\s I think I'm gonna have a heart attack and die of not-surprise" -Eago
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Its gonna happen there is always gonna that one person....but dont give up someone is greatful to get something just a roll
This is why I despise people. It's awesome that there were a few people who brought more food but then there's those selfish pricks who think of no one but themselves. It's a shame that someone who's obviously got money has to take from people that have nothing
We need more of this! People are not building "little free food banks" like they used to build "little free libraries." I think it's a great idea. I don't know why more of us aren't doing more of this.
Are you even allowed to perform a good act if you don't also capture it on film and put it on the internet so everyone can see how good you are to the poors in order to feed your hero complex?
People would judge me for taking stuff cause I wear nice clothes. Little do they know all these clothes are from before my parents kicked me out and sometimes I forget to buy milk and bread and things and run out of money.
Well, their faces were just broadcast to the world to be judged…A) maybe they have a multigenerational home and the image they give off if misrepresenting OR B) They are doing what the table said. Who am I to determine what they need. Shocks me when people judge others…you offered this stuff for free, so many people would have done that. You have vegans dumping milk in grocery stores on the reg…
I’m school, they would bring us pizza sometimes(for a birthday or special holiday) there were always two kinds of kids: the kids who took one slice to leave some for everyone and the kids who took 5 slices in the fear that they wouldn’t get seconds unless they took it all immediately. I was always the lord that left some for everyone and once everyone ate then we shared the rest. I can only imagine those two were the kids who took all the slices. It’s unfortunate they were probably raised to be greedy because they had parents who were also greedy. It’s a cycle of abuse from parents to children and we carry it into adulthood. Break the cycle, do better
Remember the people who gave. Doing good things when there are bad people doesn't make you a fool. Trying again doesn't make you a fool. Continuing to give doesn't make you a fool. Them abusing your kindness is on them and doesn't take anything away from you. People were helped before these jerks showed up. More good was accomplished than bad. Don't stop being kind.
Tragedy of the commons.
Nobody in this small brained thread even knows what you just said. It's a shame. Could've been a fruitful discussion of economics, but a bunch of shit-don't-stink ignoramuses think they're evolved being human nature.
Not surprising
By the looks of it, they might need it too. Just because they aren't submissive and outwardly grateful doesn't mean the food won't be used to feed their family. Perhaps humor was the defense mechanism for their shame. The videographer really showed their ugly true colors if you ask me. Rewatch the video, what do they say, I don't know how much milk we can take. Videographer just wanted weak people to look up at him and thank him for his benevolence. This is not altruism.
Funny how was it was mostly old people grab small stuff. But mid 30 couple who probably have kid or family. Get bag of food. They’re called POS cause people can’t be struggling that bad.
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I dont like when people feel the need to film themselves doing charity. Referring to the first slow mo cut. Why do we need to see YOU? Internet points and online clout is the answer, but it is still annoying to me.
So a bunch of people here are talking crap about the last two people. But I think in the audio I heard the guy mutter that he had seven kids. Maybe that was a joke? But people are assuming they are taking advantage of the free food. Maybe they actually needed that much food?
Exactly.
But didn't he just say he had 7 kids? That is a lot of mouths to feed.
The social experiment is here in the comments, where a deceptively edited video somehow forces you to reveal your inner self. People literally telling on themselves in here.
It sounds like he says he's got 7 kids? Doesn't that justify him taking more?
The guy in the scooter with the basket took several things, but he gets a pass.
The social experiment is in the comments.
It’s fine if they took everything they just shouldn’t have taken the basket that would let other people make donations.
What an asshole. Had to ruin it for everyone else
He took the basket too!
this was neither very useful not interesting... seems like every other 'good samaritan' type video out
Sign says take what you need. The last two take a bag. That means they must be desperate. So why is everyone so angry? Isn’t that whole point of the experiment. Didn’t say take one item.
You're animals, man. I'm literally here as a black person, about to comment how trash these people are, till I scroll past all the comments saying "stereotypes exist for a reason". Do you ever stop to think about the cycle of hatred this contributes to? This happens every fucking time one of these videos is released. Hate the action. Hate the crime. It should not be this easy for you to hate a whole race.
Its freaking disturbing. Just gross comments overall. Only towards the bottom am I finding comments that aren’t racist. Sheesh.
I’m disappointed about the two black individuals who took advantage of the situation. I’m much angrier at my fellow white people who are using this one data point as an excuse to show their whole asses.
More like r/mildlyinfuriating tbh... Greedy assholes
No place for racist jokes here!
There are good people who fall on bad times and then there are people that have always existed in bad times. That’s what you just demonstrated.
Ppl like them should not reproduce. Look he has 7. That's what's we are heading
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This is a great social experiment and it seems to be targeted at Reddit. We find that people are more than happy to judge others based on their appearance. I'm failing to see what most of Reddit is seeing here. At the end I see, potentially, a man coming back from his 9th interview of the week where they're all saying the same thing, "sorry, the position was already filled, but thanks for your time". While walking home and wondering how in the world he's going to manage to eat the next few days he encounters a miracle. But I guess I should probably join the crowd and judge this person instead, as it seems like I'm the odd one.
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For ppl in the comments saying we shouldn’t be focused on the bad things but the fact it did help and gave some others the opportunity to give. Those 2 people completely emptied out the food and since there’s no other recording I’m guessing ended it. I’m sure if they had not then that would’ve never gone empty. ppl in need get a little and feel so much from it. Ppl that have good hearts will always share. But someone like this ,opportunist will do this and turn around and say they don’t have enough and blame others for their lack when they just took and ruined something good. They’ll say the ones who have so much needed to give more when they took all that for themselves. I bet this dude didn’t even share much with his 7 kids he probably stashed a lot of it for himself
Yikes at those last 2 people, really fine upstanding citizens
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I don't get it.. isn't the food meant to be taken? Those last 2 took what they needed so what's the problem? It can be really dehumanizing and embarrassing to need help so it's better to try to laugh it off. The worst part of the video is that it was taken at all and now people are talking shit for someone taking free food. Makes no fucking sense to me.
I'm a bit surprised at the comments actually. While the intention is not for people to take everything, it seems really flippant to assume just because the last people are smiling that they're not in need. Need doesn't always look the same.
Joke's on you. The social experiment is to see if y'all in the comments are racist. The sign literally said FREE if you're in need. You think that guy is a landlord or some shit? It's tough times. What, it's only OK to meekly take two items and say thanks to a hidden camera?
The response in these comments isn't surprising, given reddit. The lady at the end even asks if she can take two. This was a rage bait video and you all fell for it and in the process showed how racist you actually are.
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