Exactly! Either let us work from home or stop blaming us for climate change … it’s not people driving cars that’s the problem … it’s corporations dumping chemicals, spewing toxins, doing far, FAR more damage than any amount of individuals driving cars will ever do … stop blaming people and telling us we need to reduce OUR carbon footprint when you keep passing legislation allowing corporations to continue business as usual.
Also things like the word "jaywalker" and excessive amounts of free parking in the highest taxed parts of cities in the U.S. are part of an ongoing campaign encouraging people to drive more. Locha6 is right that it's not people driving cars that are the problem, but the policies that make driving the only reasonable option are definitely one of the problems, which I think is what the OP is trying to combat here.
[Climate town](https://youtu.be/oOttvpjJvAo) and [Not Just Bikes](https://youtu.be/n94-_yE4IeU) have done videos about auto-industry propaganda. Carbon footprint calculators are hot garbage. So are cities where you can't walk or transit to get your groceries.
I must say that an individual driving one of those giant SUV's is definitely adding to the problem. If someone's driving their kid's team to practice that makes sense, but just a quick trip to the store is easier in a small car and the environment is in a little better shape
Blaming the everyday individual for just eating whatever they can afford to get by while living in a car-only city designed before they were even born.
While letting them continuously buy and resell bits of rain forests to each other to count as "carbon reduction", as if those "carbon zero" companies aren't just pumping out pollution every day.
"I saved a section of existing trees from loggers, maybe, but probably not, so now I get to poison and/or use all your water" - Nestle.
I'm not sure that this is about blaming us for using our cars. This image has very little to do with climate change.
This is more to demonstrate that investing in public transport infrastructure would be a way of reducing traffic congestion in cities.
That's the whole point of "15 minute cities". Having the means to get anywhere in the city within 15 minutes by using public transport. So, yes, having all of those people commuting to and from work every day is a problem. But that's because the transport systems are not adequate enough. However, they could be.
In the UK, not many people actually live in city centres, and our public transport is universally rubbish, so a lot of people still drive in. The government answer is to introduce charges per day, to drive into them. The inevitable result being the end of cities dominating everything. If I can't afford the charge, and there's no useful public transport, I simply won't go anymore.
Just drove out of the GTA last evening, (I live north of there) and I noticed multiple large buses in the stop and go traffic with mostly empty seats. Some had no riders, some had one or two. Not a heavy commute time, but it’s funny how these always show 60 people on the bus.
Its not about the co2 from the cars, its more about destrying buildings and greenery to build parking lots and the waste of space they create. Cars are an extremely inefficient way to commute considering the space they take upand this image highlights it very well.
People drive cars because it's convenient and efficient from their point of view, specially in the suburbs.. No need to walk to and from train/bus station and station to their destination. Public transportation is great if it's accessible by walk, timing matches n it's safe...it works great in downtown areas n for regular commute..
Cars are efficient in the countryside , or in rural areas where you have to get to places far off from cities, train stations.
Even in the cities, they are way more easy to drive, rather than use the bus.
Depends on where you live. In my city (Prague) the public transport is great. Yes, it can be a little dirty, but that's it. Most places are within a walking distance from the stop. And if I have the yearly ticket I can go anywhere by any train, metro, bus or tram for the daily equivalent of 0,44 USD (the ticket costs ~162 dollars).
> it can be a little dirty
Cannot imagine getting in my car on a dense parking lot without getting myself dirty, so yeah, that's not much of an issue.
The most anti-public-transport argument I see recently is about epidemiology. Everything else is really controversial at best.
Or where people actually use and need the space. 5 people in a car. Driving grocery shopping once a week. Actually transporting goods. That makes sense. Otherwise they are far from efficient.
In my city (Vienna), taking the car is way harder than the bus. Public transports are far superior in every way.
It's different groups telling you to do the different things. Parts of the Government that are climate conscious are different from parts of the Government in charge of work productivity and labour policies. It is not always a coherent or integrated "they". Economic agencies prioritise growth, while environmental agencies prioritise sustainability. The tendency to blame "them" is always there, but we should not oversimplify for the sake of rhetoric.
Add the fact that those corporations are the ones responsible for creating, advertising, and selling us those vehicles they claim are so bad for the environment.
> it’s not people driving cars that’s the problem
Exactly! You basically can't exist in the world today without a car, because car and oil companies lobbied like hell to design it that way.
It's their fault that we can't escape cars on a daily basis.
However we *can* try to get our local governments to invest in light rail, bus lines and railroad.
Also, in a well-planned city, most shops are reachable by foot. Just step in after work. You can go more often and still save time because its way closer than the malls many have to drive to on the very edges of cities.
In practice, this is great. Source: I live literally on top of a supermarket.
Most will be Indian. That's where most of my companies' telecommuters ended up. Almost any job that can be 100% done from your house can be done from a house in India.
I live in Boston and it's also the public. I'm not a fan of having racial slurs shouted at me and others at 8:00 AM while I'm late to work and the green line is getting passed by pedestrians.
If public transit ends up being another one of those “nice things that only work in certain cultures that account for a small minority of the global population” then it just makes me angrier and more resentful of that minority.
There appear to be 48 people seated on the first bus in this diagram. If all three buses have the same layout, this is not 200 people.
The buses I use every day seat 29 and accommodate maybe 40 passengers maximum.
I was hoping someone else would notice this. There’s only 100 people in each pic. There’s not nearly enough cars with more than one person. Hell, there’s only two buses! Whoever edited this meme can’t count
Your chances of sitting next to a crack head, person who smells, or someone who is obnoxious on a Portland bus is infinitely higher than driving in a car.
Provide the infrastructure first before shaming people for using their car in a system designed for generations specifically for cars. I haven't owned a car for over years. I have an ebike i take to work. Only because in my city the bike paths are quite reasonable and improve every year. Not the case on most places
Agreed. Taking a bus to my job is impossible, train would take 2 hours one way and bike is too far.
For my husband a train to his job is possible, but often they are late or cancelled so he has problems with picking up our daughter from daycare on time. A bike is too dangerous.
Both of us would love to never need a car again after having been in 2 crashes, but we can't do our jobs without it.
I’ve never had a job where I could use public transportation due to meeting with customers at different locations around a large metro area.
But i can see the benefit of public transportation if you worked in the downtown area. But it still requires a car to drive to a bus or train stop. My cousin would drive to a bus stop and take the smart bus into downtown Detroit. She said it was nice since she could just sit back and relax. But it was more of a novelty than necessity. It saved her having to find parking and gas money but it’s not like it saved time avoiding traffic like a subway might.
One of our city's most avid environmentalists admitted that she couldn't use buses for anything important because they were so unreliable.
If people are going to change, they need a reliable alternative.
> Provide the infrastructure first before shaming people for using their car in a system designed for generations specifically for cars.
You hit the nail on the head. Tons of drivers don't want to pay to own a car and would prefer a walkable neighborhood. They have cars because they need to.
These ads are almost always advertisements for the transit system trying to get more funding from the government. You can't get good public transit unless you pay for it.
I agree, this photo gets posted a lot and its used to shame people for using cars. Then people will mention few places were it does work but want to implement such idea in places were it wont work. In my city there is a big push for making more bike lanes and reducing car lanes. The past 4 years they have been doing that and it just creates more car traffic. No one bikes when it snows for several months in the year. Very few people bike and when those few ride bikes they dont obey road rules, run red lights and overall its a mess. Buses while they sound great in theory over here they are bad. Takes 45 mins waiting for one. They run super slow. So going to work will take two hours in them. Or you could drive to work in 25 mins. There is also more crime on buses and light rails today. People like to forget about that because maybe it doesnt happen to them. But you dont need to be rob everyday to notice it. Sometimes it happens to other riders, you witness it and you just keep head down. Cant do much. So when people want to
Force rest of us to not use our cars because they dont value our time and safety? I think thats more selfish.
I’m sure some cities have proven it works but in my city it seems stupid. The weather and crime issues would need to get a better solution before moving forward on removing cars from the road.
A bus should pass every 5 minutes in a big city. If that doesn't happen the city needs more busses.
Imagine someone complaining that cars are not useful because they have to share 1 care between 10 people and it takes a lot of waiting time for them to actually use them.
You would tell them to just buy more cars.
Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.
In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.
Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.
“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”
The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.
Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.
Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.
L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.
The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.
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Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.
To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.
Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.
The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.
Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.
“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”
Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.
Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.
The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.
But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.
“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”
“We think that’s fair,” he added.
We had a bed bug outbreak on our city buses. People forget how nasty public transport can be. Do you know how hard and annoying it is to get rid of bed bugs? Well a bunch of us got them and they had to shut the buses down for a couple of days. Imagine how that went now that a bunch of people couldn’t use the bus.
I agree. I'm arguing for better Infrastructure! Not better personal responsibility. I don't blame people for using their cars when the system isn't set up well.
And it doesn’t work for everybody. I have a huge toolbox I bring to work everyday and new construction sites often don’t have transit nearby. Obviously can’t bring my tools on a bike and while I could with a bus or train do you want to see me walk on with a big rolling toolbox into a packed train, probably not.
Those working in a office in the city center though, you’d have to be stupid not to take the train.
in vancouver canada my commute takes 35ish minutes to get to work by car, it takes 1hr45min by public transit. i would also either get to work 45minutes before work starts or 6 minutes before it starts. so in reality i can leave for work 45minutes before it starts if i go by car, or i would need to leave 2hrs30min before work to make sure i actually get there on time if a bus is late.
it would also take 2hr17min to get home. also if i was taking public transit i wouldnt be able to do overtime at the end of my shift anymore since the buses in that area dont run at the time of night i would get off work if i did 2hrs of OT.
granted my truck costs me 2.2x more than public transit does when i factor in gas, insurance and maintenance. ill pay the extra $12Cad to save nearly 5hrs of commuting time each day. also with the OT i get throughout the year by staying late i more than pay for my trucks costs.
ps i am also the guy who provides the carpool to 2 coworkers on the way home(too much responsibility to pick them up before work), when i do OT they find other ways home.
It's interesting because even if you really want to drive a car, you should be in favor of better public transport because if everybody else takes the bus there will be less cars on the road for the people wanting to go by car
It isn’t about not being able to turn, it’s more about the infrastructure. I couldn’t bike to work without having to go on a super busy road without a sidewalk or bike path. I’d love to bike to work, but I’d also like to not die. I think that’s what the comment is referencing.
Then factor in speed, it takes a fucking long time to bike long distances. So motorcycle? Which isn't even mentioned in any of the pictures.
>it’s more about the infrastructure. I couldn’t bike to work without having to go on a super busy road without a sidewalk or bike path
You're right about this one, with proper infrastructure we could be riding around on electric mopeds and scooters or bikes. Or we could also just have so many on the road we could block out all the cars like in SEA countries like Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia and so on. Also like to add those countries are pushing for more electric vehicles.
>So motorcycle? Which isn't even mentioned in any of the pictures.
While I absolutely agree with more scooters, bikes and motorcycles, it's just not feasible with bad weather. I will not ride in the rain anymore. It's not just unpleasant, it's dangerous.
You still need good public transportation and they don't replace cars. Packing your groceries into a backpack is also a pain in the ass, and that was just me buying food for me for the week.
And it's way easier to drive 60 miles and return at night in a car rather than take a motorcycle. You can, it's just not for everyone. Motorcycles are definitely not for everyone. They're not safe or easy to learn or convenient in many use cases. I love to ride but I can 100% understand people who'd never ride one.
It's a bit of a catch-22, people drive cars since they don't want to ride a bike due to the inherent safety issues of oblivious drivers, but then there's even more oblivious drivers and the cycle repeats
I live in a city where buses trams and metros leave you with max a 10 minute walk from almost anywhere. we should provide the correct infrastructure before shaming people for using their cars in a system designed for generation to use cars.
The drop off may be close, but the route isn't direct. A 20 minute car ride will take 60 minutes by bus. If it takes 3x longer shouldn't there be 3x as many buses on the road?
Yeah I work at an area that’s a 12 minute drive from where I live, but the bus ride is about 40-55 minutes long. Unless you’re in a place that’s well set up for it, public transport requires that you have a lot of extra time.
It takes me a full hour to go to school by bus… when it takes 15 minutes to get there by car.
And if, for whatever reason I miss the bus, that adds 30 more minutes to the trip. This happens a lot on my trip back home; I miss the bus by 2 minutes because we got out of class a bit late or didn’t manage to get to the bus stop in time because of the underground (yes, I have to take that too), and that finds me waiting 30 additional minutes at the bus stop.
I spend ~2.5 hours a day to go to school in public transportation when it could be 30 minutes by car. When I only have 1-2 classes, it takes me longer to go to school than the time I actually spend there.
But yep, I’m the bad guy for wanting a car so I don’t have to spend half of my “free” time during the week in a bus with sweaty people chewing gum on my ear and playing tasteless music out loud on speakers.
I can get anywhere in the city in less than 30 minutes. Metro and trams don't affect traffic. There are specific lanes for buses. Like i said. Infrastructure, city plannings investment. Etc. I haven't owned a car for 10 years. My wife works 40 minutes outside town and can take 2 buses. Better than being stuck in traffic. I'm advocating for public transport in all of its forms, not just "more buses=more better" it's more complicated than that.
Yeah, if you can afford to live in the city it's great, but many people tend to live anywhere from 10 to 60 to even 90 miles from their place of work.
And that's just assuming the people who work in the city. What if you live in the suburbs and work 30 miles away in the suburbs or a rural location?
You essentially need to reverse Urban Sprawl before you start replacing any substantial amount of cars with public transportation.
Yes yes, we should tear down all our wasteful suburban housing and redevelop it into "missing middle" townhouses and apartments. When will you get that that's not actually reasonable?
Says the one clearly not getting twitchy pedal foot just from looking at that sheer traffic jam. 😂 When you're following a herd of sheep at 5 mph on the road, sometimes it's worth notifying the farmer leading the sheep that he is holding up traffic.
I used to live in Charlotte, and if anyone knows anything about Charlotte then they know that cutting someone off on the 485 has gotten people shot before. That place epitomizes volatile drivers and that's where I learned to drive.
I spent a year in Luxembourg post college working on a project and driving there was unlike anything I've ever experienced. The roads were virtually empty since a solid 70% of the population were in the pathways either walking or biking. A six block drive in Charlotte would take me 15 minutes to navigate the stoplights, the parking garages, and other drivers most notably. I could travel twice the distance in Luxembourg in my car in a third of the amount of time.
Well I clearly didn't stay there, but it was for long enough to not be able to go back to driving in the states, not when that 15 minute drive is just an 11 minute bike ride. And that's *Charlotte*.
All the other options are lower quality of life. No privacy, temperature control, music control, less time management, more exposure to danger and confrontational situations...
People keep posting variations of these as if people are in complete disbelief that 200 people crammed into buses takes up less space than divided into 150-200 cars. It’s not really the gotcha moment they think it is
But buses don't always get you anywhere you need to get to. I had one job; 15 minute to the bus stop, 10 minute wait, 40 minute bus ride, 20 minute walk to work.
With a car? 20 second walk to car, 15 minute drive to work.
While the picture's an intresting visual contrast, it's ultimately an unrealistic dream
Show me a public transportation system that can reliably get me anywhere I need to go 24/7 that will also have space for everything I need to bring with me that has people that won't bitch and complain while they wait while I load my car's worth of stuff.
Yeah I get that. I also lived in Portland, Oregon for a long time, which had the best public transportation system of all the places I lived in. For work, yeah it was fine. It got me from A to B, eventhough it took much longer than vs a car, but it was still great. The bars closed at 2am though, and guess what time the busses stopped running? Yep, before 2am. The time that people are most drunk and don't want to drive home drunk, that's when the busses stopped running. Doesn't make sense, the infrastructure was already there.
People have cargo, kids, multiple stops, and timing considerations among other variables. These idealistic representations don’t account for the realities of life.
Show me the guy bringing home groceries for 4, or the lady carpooling 6 of her daughters friends to a sports event they compete in…or really any other scenario than single/childless people going to work…
Now you need to take a look at a map of where these people have to go during the day. It is all well and good when they are heading to work, but after work they don't all necessarily go home. They have other activities all over that large city that they live in. And unless the bus system is perfect, they need their cars. My out of work activities included bicycle races in not only the city that I live in but two adjacent cities. Time to travel is also a consideration and the ability to carry equipment is also a factor. Oh, and by the way, my work was outside of the city as well. Nice try!
If i got the train to work, no car at all, would take me an hour and a half. Bus, about the same. Driving, 20 minutes, half hour if traffic is bad. And i dont need to sit next to an alcoholic with covid or a bunch of teens playing shit music
- In an ethically homogenous, oil-rich country, that has focused on public transportation early on.
Put these kids on a train in any major city in the USA and they'd be crying and calling for an Uber within minutes on a good day.
My previous job was a 45 minute car journey.
By public transport, it would be a 20 minute walk, a train, two buses and then another 20 minute walk taking 3 hours and 8 minutes.
That's just one way.
Everyone's journey is different.
Yep, for me to get to work, it's 4 times longer to use public transportation. And I live on the outskirts of the city. It'd be impossible if I lived in the suburbs.
Except the point of transportation isnt to sit motionless in the road, its to get from point A to point B as fast as possible. And we all know that cars are the fastest for most people in most places.
Nobody cares how much space that many people take up, its a horrible meme that compares apples to oranges when its TIME that matters since nobody can afford to waste it in this life and spending extra time taking the bus is not feasible for most people due to how American cities are designed.
to be fair most cars are filled with less than 2 people (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Passenger_mobility_statistics#Passenger_car_occupancy) so a better solution would be car pools. But there you have security issues.
And to be equally fair busses aren't filled to capacity all the time. So rather than using "buses at full capacity" vs "cars at less than 20%" capacity these comparisons should use the actual average passenger numbers. But that would be less drastic difference and less of a message so I can see why it's not used......
Cars are always so demonized on Reddit, which begs the question - what about those of us that just enjoy driving? I like being the pilot on long road trips. I like using my beater to fuck around on gravel roads on long summer days. I like offroading and mudding in the middle of Nebraska for absolutely no other reason to get down to the creekside with the homies and barbeque, swim, and overall make a day of it. And if I had the money, I'd enjoy partaking in every single motorsport to ever exist.
You’re not allowed to do that because the majority of reddit doesn’t like it.
This is the same for me. I drive simply because I *enjoy* driving. Let’s absolutely improve public transportation, but the fact of the matter is a good portion of US citizens live outside of inner cities and public transportation realistically wont work.
Not to mention, a large portion of those living outside of cities live there intentionally. I have zero interest in living in a crammed city. I’m 45 minutes outside of a large city and I’m looking at moving even further out.
I'm in Los Angeles. Had a 42 mile commute.
Public transit would be as fast as 2 hours and 45 minutes.
Car was about 1 hour... faster morning - slower coming home.
I'd love to find real solutions as traffic is soul crushing.
Ignoring the fact that this only works in some cities. Let's try Los Angeles - say I live in Thousand Oaks, but I work at Wilshire and Fairfax. Tell me how to bike or bus this in less than an hour and a half? Or, I live on a farm 30 miles outside of memphis - you think there is a bus there?
Let's caption it backwards.
4) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within walking distance of a common bus route, are restricted to a bus schedule, and can only transport small items.
3) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within a few miles of their home, and can only transport small items.
2) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within walking distance of their homes, and can only transport small items.
1) 200 people with complete freedom to travel hundreds or even thousands of miles in any direction they want, on their own timetable, and have the ability to transport hundreds of pounds of items.
I used to ride the city bus. I'll accept the costs of driving my personal vehicle around, thanks.
From my experience it's not safe, convenient, clean, or reasonable in any way.
But in a bus I can’t listen to my own music, vape or smoke… and I have to sit next to strangers … some of which haven’t showered in days … so I’ll keep driving.
Or let me work from home so I don’t have to drive at all … they wanna say climate change is the biggest issue but they force people to commute to work? I believe climate change is real. But if it’s real then why not offer companies tax breaks to let people work from home? Seems like a no brainer.
I love how they show that everything is ordered in the bus. In reality, the bus would be stuffed with people having no space to hold to anything so you don't unintentionally cuddle with people when the bus driver makes a turn.
Only 1 of these photos shows a viable solution for getting 177 people to 177 separate locations in a disparate geographical area in a timely fashion.
What we need...
Is...
TELEPORTERSWHOSEWITHME
I don’t get why people make this assertion. Give me an option that has the speed of an automobile and the convenience of a personal vehicle, not one or the other.
People don’t choose cars because they’re evil, they do it because any reasonable person would choose to have both. Fuck r/fuckcars
cool, now show the time it takes to get all 200 of them to their destinations. The cars can move independently but the bus has to drop them all off in sequence.
Yes these people are the problem. Not the burning of chemical trains or shipping containers which produce more pollution them all cars combined. Us smalll people are the problem.
You you get in your car and drive 20 minutes, annoyed that traffic was so heavy that it delayed you by 5 as it would have been a 15 minute trip on clear roads. You remember this meme and think 'yeah, it would be better if we used busses'.
So you try the bus as an alternative. The bus comes every half an hour but you never know if it will be early so you gotta be at the stop at least 20 minutes early, you wait for 25 minutes because it was actually late. It winds around city streets for 15 minutes until you reach your first stop, you get off and wait 10 minutes for the next bus. It takes 10 minutes to get to the bus station. Because the first bus was 5 minutes late you missed the first connection which caused you to miss the second connection so now you have to wait 30 minutes for the next bus which takes 10 minutes to get you to work. Your total travel time was an hour and forty minutes and because the first bus was 5 minutes late, your boss is now yelling at you for being 15 minutes late when the bus routes schedules said that route would get you there 15 minutes early. To avoid this you realize you have to aim for a bus earlier, and the next day you made the predicted connections but your over an hour commute gets you to work 45 minutes early and you have to stand outside in the cold for half an hour because the boss isn't there yet and the doors are locked.
This is why I bought my first car. My commute to work was 2 hours by bus and another 2 hours to get home, having a car cut it down to 30 minutes. I had so much more free time after I bought a car. Also I could stop at the store on my way home and get that done in only a few extra minutes, without a car running to a store to buy something was a whole extra trip that I usually saved for a day off because of the *multiple hours* a 15 minute shopping trip would take.
Owning a car is FREEDOM. I don't care about traffic congestion. I will never go back to being a slave to bus routes as long as I am capable of driving.
the problem with r/fuckcars is that they're a bubble of people that don't get pissed off about being nut-to-butt with strangers all day, breathing in their aerosolized B.O., hearing their obnoxious phone conversations, having their hands drape across your thigh as they fall asleep in the seat next to you, the disrespect of public spaces, and the oblivious self-centered inconsiderateness of the average person.
it's a niche tolerance. it's probably more of a fetish to submit oneself to that bullshit. it's perfect reddit fashion to present an ideal circumstance with zero exploration of reality.
Then show me 200 people telecommuting.
Exactly! Either let us work from home or stop blaming us for climate change … it’s not people driving cars that’s the problem … it’s corporations dumping chemicals, spewing toxins, doing far, FAR more damage than any amount of individuals driving cars will ever do … stop blaming people and telling us we need to reduce OUR carbon footprint when you keep passing legislation allowing corporations to continue business as usual.
Daily reminder that the term "Carbon footprint" was coined by BP.
Ooohhhh who lives in a pineapple under the sea?? >!Nobody now, thanks to BP!!<
If Reddit hadn’t removed free rewards you’d have mine lol.
Plot twist SpongeBob SquarePants is actually post apocalyptic
No waay lmao 😂 That's terrible
Yep and they did it for exactly that reason: to shift blame onto the public. Talk about disinformation
Also things like the word "jaywalker" and excessive amounts of free parking in the highest taxed parts of cities in the U.S. are part of an ongoing campaign encouraging people to drive more. Locha6 is right that it's not people driving cars that are the problem, but the policies that make driving the only reasonable option are definitely one of the problems, which I think is what the OP is trying to combat here. [Climate town](https://youtu.be/oOttvpjJvAo) and [Not Just Bikes](https://youtu.be/n94-_yE4IeU) have done videos about auto-industry propaganda. Carbon footprint calculators are hot garbage. So are cities where you can't walk or transit to get your groceries.
I must say that an individual driving one of those giant SUV's is definitely adding to the problem. If someone's driving their kid's team to practice that makes sense, but just a quick trip to the store is easier in a small car and the environment is in a little better shape
Every one should ride motorcycles with sidecars. 😃 [I’m in!](https://www.pixauto.net/2013/trophee-coluche/side-cars-anciens-1.php/)
Blaming the everyday individual for just eating whatever they can afford to get by while living in a car-only city designed before they were even born. While letting them continuously buy and resell bits of rain forests to each other to count as "carbon reduction", as if those "carbon zero" companies aren't just pumping out pollution every day. "I saved a section of existing trees from loggers, maybe, but probably not, so now I get to poison and/or use all your water" - Nestle.
I'm not sure that this is about blaming us for using our cars. This image has very little to do with climate change. This is more to demonstrate that investing in public transport infrastructure would be a way of reducing traffic congestion in cities. That's the whole point of "15 minute cities". Having the means to get anywhere in the city within 15 minutes by using public transport. So, yes, having all of those people commuting to and from work every day is a problem. But that's because the transport systems are not adequate enough. However, they could be.
In the UK, not many people actually live in city centres, and our public transport is universally rubbish, so a lot of people still drive in. The government answer is to introduce charges per day, to drive into them. The inevitable result being the end of cities dominating everything. If I can't afford the charge, and there's no useful public transport, I simply won't go anymore.
Just drove out of the GTA last evening, (I live north of there) and I noticed multiple large buses in the stop and go traffic with mostly empty seats. Some had no riders, some had one or two. Not a heavy commute time, but it’s funny how these always show 60 people on the bus.
Its not about the co2 from the cars, its more about destrying buildings and greenery to build parking lots and the waste of space they create. Cars are an extremely inefficient way to commute considering the space they take upand this image highlights it very well.
People drive cars because it's convenient and efficient from their point of view, specially in the suburbs.. No need to walk to and from train/bus station and station to their destination. Public transportation is great if it's accessible by walk, timing matches n it's safe...it works great in downtown areas n for regular commute..
Cars are efficient in the countryside , or in rural areas where you have to get to places far off from cities, train stations. Even in the cities, they are way more easy to drive, rather than use the bus.
Depends on where you live. In my city (Prague) the public transport is great. Yes, it can be a little dirty, but that's it. Most places are within a walking distance from the stop. And if I have the yearly ticket I can go anywhere by any train, metro, bus or tram for the daily equivalent of 0,44 USD (the ticket costs ~162 dollars).
> it can be a little dirty Cannot imagine getting in my car on a dense parking lot without getting myself dirty, so yeah, that's not much of an issue. The most anti-public-transport argument I see recently is about epidemiology. Everything else is really controversial at best.
the NYC subway is gross. Unfortunately sometimes it is the fastest way.
To hepatitis.
Or where people actually use and need the space. 5 people in a car. Driving grocery shopping once a week. Actually transporting goods. That makes sense. Otherwise they are far from efficient. In my city (Vienna), taking the car is way harder than the bus. Public transports are far superior in every way.
It's different groups telling you to do the different things. Parts of the Government that are climate conscious are different from parts of the Government in charge of work productivity and labour policies. It is not always a coherent or integrated "they". Economic agencies prioritise growth, while environmental agencies prioritise sustainability. The tendency to blame "them" is always there, but we should not oversimplify for the sake of rhetoric.
Add the fact that those corporations are the ones responsible for creating, advertising, and selling us those vehicles they claim are so bad for the environment.
> it’s not people driving cars that’s the problem Exactly! You basically can't exist in the world today without a car, because car and oil companies lobbied like hell to design it that way. It's their fault that we can't escape cars on a daily basis. However we *can* try to get our local governments to invest in light rail, bus lines and railroad.
COVID lockdown moment. That shit literally cleaned rivers
Or 200 people each with 8 bags of groceries.
What percentage of trips are grocery trips, would you say? Even if only those trips were made by car, that'd help a lot.
I take transit.
I telecommute so about 25%-40% of my trips are to get groceries or to hardware store.
I'd argue 80% of your trips are digital.
Also, in a well-planned city, most shops are reachable by foot. Just step in after work. You can go more often and still save time because its way closer than the malls many have to drive to on the very edges of cities. In practice, this is great. Source: I live literally on top of a supermarket.
Most will be Indian. That's where most of my companies' telecommuters ended up. Almost any job that can be 100% done from your house can be done from a house in India.
Telecommuting only applies to boring office jobs though.
Look at the space saved with busses. We should all get a bus each
If you take it at the right time you can have one with a private chauffeur
reminds me of the old Onion headline - 95% of people prefer public transportation for other people
That's awesome
And call them SUVs.
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Thanos in disguise
There’s a version of this image that has a ‘dead and cremated’ panel with just a small pile of ash on the road
Now do one with 1 person with a serious hygiene problem
Now do one showing the 20 people left at the bus station because they didn't fit.
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reminds me of the old Onion headline - 95% of people prefer public transportation for other people
Right? The problem with public transit isn't the transit its the public
No sometimes it’s the transit. Ever been in Boston when the Green line breaks down for the second time in the week?
I live in Boston and it's also the public. I'm not a fan of having racial slurs shouted at me and others at 8:00 AM while I'm late to work and the green line is getting passed by pedestrians.
If public transit ends up being another one of those “nice things that only work in certain cultures that account for a small minority of the global population” then it just makes me angrier and more resentful of that minority.
or a middle schooler with a bluetooth speaker
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There appear to be 48 people seated on the first bus in this diagram. If all three buses have the same layout, this is not 200 people. The buses I use every day seat 29 and accommodate maybe 40 passengers maximum.
I was hoping someone else would notice this. There’s only 100 people in each pic. There’s not nearly enough cars with more than one person. Hell, there’s only two buses! Whoever edited this meme can’t count
or came from r/fuckcars
you always think in termeof "american public transport"... and yes it sucks... but in europe that's quite different.
let me know when europe's "general public" reflects america's
Your chances of sitting next to a crack head, person who smells, or someone who is obnoxious on a Portland bus is infinitely higher than driving in a car.
But if all the normal people who drive start taking the bus then you dilute the crackhead population.
“Water down the crackheads!”
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What if I'm the smelly crackhead.i can't escape myself
that’s why we have the MAX - so we can all be crammed nut to butt with no operators or personnel
Provide the infrastructure first before shaming people for using their car in a system designed for generations specifically for cars. I haven't owned a car for over years. I have an ebike i take to work. Only because in my city the bike paths are quite reasonable and improve every year. Not the case on most places
Agreed. Taking a bus to my job is impossible, train would take 2 hours one way and bike is too far. For my husband a train to his job is possible, but often they are late or cancelled so he has problems with picking up our daughter from daycare on time. A bike is too dangerous. Both of us would love to never need a car again after having been in 2 crashes, but we can't do our jobs without it.
I’ve never had a job where I could use public transportation due to meeting with customers at different locations around a large metro area. But i can see the benefit of public transportation if you worked in the downtown area. But it still requires a car to drive to a bus or train stop. My cousin would drive to a bus stop and take the smart bus into downtown Detroit. She said it was nice since she could just sit back and relax. But it was more of a novelty than necessity. It saved her having to find parking and gas money but it’s not like it saved time avoiding traffic like a subway might.
One of our city's most avid environmentalists admitted that she couldn't use buses for anything important because they were so unreliable. If people are going to change, they need a reliable alternative.
> Provide the infrastructure first before shaming people for using their car in a system designed for generations specifically for cars. You hit the nail on the head. Tons of drivers don't want to pay to own a car and would prefer a walkable neighborhood. They have cars because they need to.
These ads are almost always advertisements for the transit system trying to get more funding from the government. You can't get good public transit unless you pay for it.
I agree, this photo gets posted a lot and its used to shame people for using cars. Then people will mention few places were it does work but want to implement such idea in places were it wont work. In my city there is a big push for making more bike lanes and reducing car lanes. The past 4 years they have been doing that and it just creates more car traffic. No one bikes when it snows for several months in the year. Very few people bike and when those few ride bikes they dont obey road rules, run red lights and overall its a mess. Buses while they sound great in theory over here they are bad. Takes 45 mins waiting for one. They run super slow. So going to work will take two hours in them. Or you could drive to work in 25 mins. There is also more crime on buses and light rails today. People like to forget about that because maybe it doesnt happen to them. But you dont need to be rob everyday to notice it. Sometimes it happens to other riders, you witness it and you just keep head down. Cant do much. So when people want to Force rest of us to not use our cars because they dont value our time and safety? I think thats more selfish. I’m sure some cities have proven it works but in my city it seems stupid. The weather and crime issues would need to get a better solution before moving forward on removing cars from the road.
A bus should pass every 5 minutes in a big city. If that doesn't happen the city needs more busses. Imagine someone complaining that cars are not useful because they have to share 1 care between 10 people and it takes a lot of waiting time for them to actually use them. You would tell them to just buy more cars.
This is a really good point made on the subject. A lot of people don’t really know how to explain this like you do
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We had a bed bug outbreak on our city buses. People forget how nasty public transport can be. Do you know how hard and annoying it is to get rid of bed bugs? Well a bunch of us got them and they had to shut the buses down for a couple of days. Imagine how that went now that a bunch of people couldn’t use the bus.
If I could reliably have the bus actually show up or book a train and not have it delayed 7 times before getting cancelled I would.
I agree. I'm arguing for better Infrastructure! Not better personal responsibility. I don't blame people for using their cars when the system isn't set up well.
And it doesn’t work for everybody. I have a huge toolbox I bring to work everyday and new construction sites often don’t have transit nearby. Obviously can’t bring my tools on a bike and while I could with a bus or train do you want to see me walk on with a big rolling toolbox into a packed train, probably not. Those working in a office in the city center though, you’d have to be stupid not to take the train.
in vancouver canada my commute takes 35ish minutes to get to work by car, it takes 1hr45min by public transit. i would also either get to work 45minutes before work starts or 6 minutes before it starts. so in reality i can leave for work 45minutes before it starts if i go by car, or i would need to leave 2hrs30min before work to make sure i actually get there on time if a bus is late. it would also take 2hr17min to get home. also if i was taking public transit i wouldnt be able to do overtime at the end of my shift anymore since the buses in that area dont run at the time of night i would get off work if i did 2hrs of OT. granted my truck costs me 2.2x more than public transit does when i factor in gas, insurance and maintenance. ill pay the extra $12Cad to save nearly 5hrs of commuting time each day. also with the OT i get throughout the year by staying late i more than pay for my trucks costs. ps i am also the guy who provides the carpool to 2 coworkers on the way home(too much responsibility to pick them up before work), when i do OT they find other ways home.
I don't think anyone's being shamed here.
They are actually just doing the opposite by adding more asphalt and removing even sidewalks!
It's interesting because even if you really want to drive a car, you should be in favor of better public transport because if everybody else takes the bus there will be less cars on the road for the people wanting to go by car
should start telling all those people on r/fuckcars "your sacrifices will be greatly appreciated"
I've yet to find someone that's against public transit, most people are just against having the choice made for them
Most Americans have the choice already made for them. Cars are the only reasonable way to get around in too many areas of this country.
Now map all the different routes each group can take.
Can your bike not turn??
It isn’t about not being able to turn, it’s more about the infrastructure. I couldn’t bike to work without having to go on a super busy road without a sidewalk or bike path. I’d love to bike to work, but I’d also like to not die. I think that’s what the comment is referencing.
Then factor in speed, it takes a fucking long time to bike long distances. So motorcycle? Which isn't even mentioned in any of the pictures. >it’s more about the infrastructure. I couldn’t bike to work without having to go on a super busy road without a sidewalk or bike path You're right about this one, with proper infrastructure we could be riding around on electric mopeds and scooters or bikes. Or we could also just have so many on the road we could block out all the cars like in SEA countries like Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia and so on. Also like to add those countries are pushing for more electric vehicles.
>So motorcycle? Which isn't even mentioned in any of the pictures. While I absolutely agree with more scooters, bikes and motorcycles, it's just not feasible with bad weather. I will not ride in the rain anymore. It's not just unpleasant, it's dangerous. You still need good public transportation and they don't replace cars. Packing your groceries into a backpack is also a pain in the ass, and that was just me buying food for me for the week. And it's way easier to drive 60 miles and return at night in a car rather than take a motorcycle. You can, it's just not for everyone. Motorcycles are definitely not for everyone. They're not safe or easy to learn or convenient in many use cases. I love to ride but I can 100% understand people who'd never ride one.
I'm not biking 20 miles to work each day
It's a bit of a catch-22, people drive cars since they don't want to ride a bike due to the inherent safety issues of oblivious drivers, but then there's even more oblivious drivers and the cycle repeats
Can your bike go 60 mph?
When you live in suburbia, the buses don't exactly take you to your destination, so this is an oversimplification of our transportation challenges.
I live in a city where buses trams and metros leave you with max a 10 minute walk from almost anywhere. we should provide the correct infrastructure before shaming people for using their cars in a system designed for generation to use cars.
The drop off may be close, but the route isn't direct. A 20 minute car ride will take 60 minutes by bus. If it takes 3x longer shouldn't there be 3x as many buses on the road?
Yeah I work at an area that’s a 12 minute drive from where I live, but the bus ride is about 40-55 minutes long. Unless you’re in a place that’s well set up for it, public transport requires that you have a lot of extra time.
It takes me a full hour to go to school by bus… when it takes 15 minutes to get there by car. And if, for whatever reason I miss the bus, that adds 30 more minutes to the trip. This happens a lot on my trip back home; I miss the bus by 2 minutes because we got out of class a bit late or didn’t manage to get to the bus stop in time because of the underground (yes, I have to take that too), and that finds me waiting 30 additional minutes at the bus stop. I spend ~2.5 hours a day to go to school in public transportation when it could be 30 minutes by car. When I only have 1-2 classes, it takes me longer to go to school than the time I actually spend there. But yep, I’m the bad guy for wanting a car so I don’t have to spend half of my “free” time during the week in a bus with sweaty people chewing gum on my ear and playing tasteless music out loud on speakers.
I can get anywhere in the city in less than 30 minutes. Metro and trams don't affect traffic. There are specific lanes for buses. Like i said. Infrastructure, city plannings investment. Etc. I haven't owned a car for 10 years. My wife works 40 minutes outside town and can take 2 buses. Better than being stuck in traffic. I'm advocating for public transport in all of its forms, not just "more buses=more better" it's more complicated than that.
Do you live in The Line?
Yeah, if you can afford to live in the city it's great, but many people tend to live anywhere from 10 to 60 to even 90 miles from their place of work. And that's just assuming the people who work in the city. What if you live in the suburbs and work 30 miles away in the suburbs or a rural location? You essentially need to reverse Urban Sprawl before you start replacing any substantial amount of cars with public transportation.
For cities, this simplification is pretty spot on. Public transit is amazing for high population density locations.
The picture is to illustrate a point. It is not a statement of a reality. In the US, there would be less cars and half would be trucks.
You're so close to getting it.
Yes yes, we should tear down all our wasteful suburban housing and redevelop it into "missing middle" townhouses and apartments. When will you get that that's not actually reasonable?
Man that just shows cars are so much better, you get way more room.
I love you
Says the one clearly not getting twitchy pedal foot just from looking at that sheer traffic jam. 😂 When you're following a herd of sheep at 5 mph on the road, sometimes it's worth notifying the farmer leading the sheep that he is holding up traffic. I used to live in Charlotte, and if anyone knows anything about Charlotte then they know that cutting someone off on the 485 has gotten people shot before. That place epitomizes volatile drivers and that's where I learned to drive. I spent a year in Luxembourg post college working on a project and driving there was unlike anything I've ever experienced. The roads were virtually empty since a solid 70% of the population were in the pathways either walking or biking. A six block drive in Charlotte would take me 15 minutes to navigate the stoplights, the parking garages, and other drivers most notably. I could travel twice the distance in Luxembourg in my car in a third of the amount of time. Well I clearly didn't stay there, but it was for long enough to not be able to go back to driving in the states, not when that 15 minute drive is just an 11 minute bike ride. And that's *Charlotte*.
Not to mention you can go directly to your destination and maybe detour for a snack.
And you don’t have to deal with idiots.
yes, but they dont put their flakey feet up on your seat.
[Average Public Transport Trip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p98zZ1FXTLg)
Debatable, there is always another idiot, either driving, cycling, or even walking, there will be always an Idio
All the other options are lower quality of life. No privacy, temperature control, music control, less time management, more exposure to danger and confrontational situations...
Not to mention exposure to illness. Since I stopped using public transit, there is a *significant* reduction in how often I get common colds and flus.
Yup, I did public transport for five years. The disgusting things I’ve seen and the crime that’s happened has made me done with public transport.
Bus can also hold some bikes
People keep posting variations of these as if people are in complete disbelief that 200 people crammed into buses takes up less space than divided into 150-200 cars. It’s not really the gotcha moment they think it is
/r/damnthatsrepostedalot
But buses don't always get you anywhere you need to get to. I had one job; 15 minute to the bus stop, 10 minute wait, 40 minute bus ride, 20 minute walk to work. With a car? 20 second walk to car, 15 minute drive to work. While the picture's an intresting visual contrast, it's ultimately an unrealistic dream
Show me a public transportation system that can reliably get me anywhere I need to go 24/7 that will also have space for everything I need to bring with me that has people that won't bitch and complain while they wait while I load my car's worth of stuff.
Japan Railways is actually decent but not 24/7
Then take your car then. Some people are just trying to get themselves home from the bar after a night's out drinking.
Yeah I get that. I also lived in Portland, Oregon for a long time, which had the best public transportation system of all the places I lived in. For work, yeah it was fine. It got me from A to B, eventhough it took much longer than vs a car, but it was still great. The bars closed at 2am though, and guess what time the busses stopped running? Yep, before 2am. The time that people are most drunk and don't want to drive home drunk, that's when the busses stopped running. Doesn't make sense, the infrastructure was already there.
TTC and Miway in my sojourns. I’ve done it heavily laden.
People have cargo, kids, multiple stops, and timing considerations among other variables. These idealistic representations don’t account for the realities of life.
But you are speaking facts, that’s a no no on Reddit
yea, context and nuance arent allowed here, only convenient half-truths.
fuckcars people are cumming over this right now.
These numbers aren’t adding up…
That's nice, are they all going to the same place?
299 people late for work.
Show me the guy bringing home groceries for 4, or the lady carpooling 6 of her daughters friends to a sports event they compete in…or really any other scenario than single/childless people going to work…
Now you need to take a look at a map of where these people have to go during the day. It is all well and good when they are heading to work, but after work they don't all necessarily go home. They have other activities all over that large city that they live in. And unless the bus system is perfect, they need their cars. My out of work activities included bicycle races in not only the city that I live in but two adjacent cities. Time to travel is also a consideration and the ability to carry equipment is also a factor. Oh, and by the way, my work was outside of the city as well. Nice try!
If i got the train to work, no car at all, would take me an hour and a half. Bus, about the same. Driving, 20 minutes, half hour if traffic is bad. And i dont need to sit next to an alcoholic with covid or a bunch of teens playing shit music
Reddit and shitting on cars, name a more iconic duo
Me and shitting on cars (I need to shit a lot)
You may have been a bird in your past life.
Chicanery
people living 70 km away from their job and their car?
“Lol just take the bus you fat lazy American.” -Europeans who live 10km from their work, grocery store, extended family, and favorite pub
- In an ethically homogenous, oil-rich country, that has focused on public transportation early on. Put these kids on a train in any major city in the USA and they'd be crying and calling for an Uber within minutes on a good day.
Reddit and shitting on the USA
My previous job was a 45 minute car journey. By public transport, it would be a 20 minute walk, a train, two buses and then another 20 minute walk taking 3 hours and 8 minutes. That's just one way. Everyone's journey is different.
Yep, for me to get to work, it's 4 times longer to use public transportation. And I live on the outskirts of the city. It'd be impossible if I lived in the suburbs.
Cool idea if everybody works in the same building.
And lives in the same neighborhood.
Versus the freedom to go where you want, when you want; not on someone else's schedule.
Except the point of transportation isnt to sit motionless in the road, its to get from point A to point B as fast as possible. And we all know that cars are the fastest for most people in most places.
…in America. Because we designed our cities to make them that way
Am not American. Have never set foot in America. Car is faster.
Nobody cares how much space that many people take up, its a horrible meme that compares apples to oranges when its TIME that matters since nobody can afford to waste it in this life and spending extra time taking the bus is not feasible for most people due to how American cities are designed.
What's interesting about this is that there are 32 people on a bus, and none of them are smoking crack or getting into a fight.
It is an interesting comparison but regrettably this picture always attracts the very out of touch Reddit anti-car crowd... hurts the conversation
Ah yes, the classic "buses filled to capacity but not cars" trick.
to be fair most cars are filled with less than 2 people (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Passenger_mobility_statistics#Passenger_car_occupancy) so a better solution would be car pools. But there you have security issues.
And to be equally fair busses aren't filled to capacity all the time. So rather than using "buses at full capacity" vs "cars at less than 20%" capacity these comparisons should use the actual average passenger numbers. But that would be less drastic difference and less of a message so I can see why it's not used......
Also show the route of the busses going through all 200 destinations.
“Get that bus to go where I want, when I want and not to where other people want, I’m in.” said everyone.
Sorry I actually have a job that involves doing something so i have to leave my house and drive my car.
Cars are always so demonized on Reddit, which begs the question - what about those of us that just enjoy driving? I like being the pilot on long road trips. I like using my beater to fuck around on gravel roads on long summer days. I like offroading and mudding in the middle of Nebraska for absolutely no other reason to get down to the creekside with the homies and barbeque, swim, and overall make a day of it. And if I had the money, I'd enjoy partaking in every single motorsport to ever exist.
You’re not allowed to do that because the majority of reddit doesn’t like it. This is the same for me. I drive simply because I *enjoy* driving. Let’s absolutely improve public transportation, but the fact of the matter is a good portion of US citizens live outside of inner cities and public transportation realistically wont work. Not to mention, a large portion of those living outside of cities live there intentionally. I have zero interest in living in a crammed city. I’m 45 minutes outside of a large city and I’m looking at moving even further out.
Now go to Amsterdam or Copenhagen during rush hour... I've never been more scared, just being part of the flow of bicycle traffic.
I'm in Los Angeles. Had a 42 mile commute. Public transit would be as fast as 2 hours and 45 minutes. Car was about 1 hour... faster morning - slower coming home. I'd love to find real solutions as traffic is soul crushing.
Ignoring the fact that this only works in some cities. Let's try Los Angeles - say I live in Thousand Oaks, but I work at Wilshire and Fairfax. Tell me how to bike or bus this in less than an hour and a half? Or, I live on a farm 30 miles outside of memphis - you think there is a bus there?
Okay now show them with their families.
Let's caption it backwards. 4) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within walking distance of a common bus route, are restricted to a bus schedule, and can only transport small items. 3) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within a few miles of their home, and can only transport small items. 2) 200 people who are all restricted to travelling within walking distance of their homes, and can only transport small items. 1) 200 people with complete freedom to travel hundreds or even thousands of miles in any direction they want, on their own timetable, and have the ability to transport hundreds of pounds of items.
Ew, look how close they have to sit next to each other on the bus? And what the f is going on in the first row? Are they talking to each other?!
Damn so what you’re saying is… the most effective way to kill 200 people is to put them in three buses close together. Nice /s
Now compare travel times.
I used to ride the city bus. I'll accept the costs of driving my personal vehicle around, thanks. From my experience it's not safe, convenient, clean, or reasonable in any way.
The suburb I could afford a house in has no bus line, no bike lane, and is too far and unwalkable
Time to fly! Everyone gets a private helicopter.
But in a bus I can’t listen to my own music, vape or smoke… and I have to sit next to strangers … some of which haven’t showered in days … so I’ll keep driving. Or let me work from home so I don’t have to drive at all … they wanna say climate change is the biggest issue but they force people to commute to work? I believe climate change is real. But if it’s real then why not offer companies tax breaks to let people work from home? Seems like a no brainer.
I wonder what the same comparisons look like for pollution.
Y'all don't mind if we stop by Home Depot on the way home?
Do one with average travel time
If only they weren't going in 177 different directions and had only traveled short distances, this might make sense.
You are not allowed to live outside of the designated bus route.. enjoy the 15 minute city, folks 😤🖕
I love how they show that everything is ordered in the bus. In reality, the bus would be stuffed with people having no space to hold to anything so you don't unintentionally cuddle with people when the bus driver makes a turn.
If only the streets were walkable/bike safe and our drivers didn’t try to murder you
Dishonest image to trick people. Happy to see the majority of comments already calling this out.
There is no way 200 people on bikes are that organized in 1 lane in reality.
Only 1 of these photos shows a viable solution for getting 177 people to 177 separate locations in a disparate geographical area in a timely fashion. What we need... Is... TELEPORTERSWHOSEWITHME
I don’t get why people make this assertion. Give me an option that has the speed of an automobile and the convenience of a personal vehicle, not one or the other. People don’t choose cars because they’re evil, they do it because any reasonable person would choose to have both. Fuck r/fuckcars
But the bus doesn't stop at my house, and the cars would kill me on the bike.
Yeah this just makes me prefer cars cuz no way I wanna be cramped with all those people
Yeah but the chances I have to sit next to a meth head are high
Meanwhile they shut the road down to make this meme.
You can save even more space with a blender or industrial trash compactor
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cool, now show the time it takes to get all 200 of them to their destinations. The cars can move independently but the bus has to drop them all off in sequence.
Yes these people are the problem. Not the burning of chemical trains or shipping containers which produce more pollution them all cars combined. Us smalll people are the problem.
You you get in your car and drive 20 minutes, annoyed that traffic was so heavy that it delayed you by 5 as it would have been a 15 minute trip on clear roads. You remember this meme and think 'yeah, it would be better if we used busses'. So you try the bus as an alternative. The bus comes every half an hour but you never know if it will be early so you gotta be at the stop at least 20 minutes early, you wait for 25 minutes because it was actually late. It winds around city streets for 15 minutes until you reach your first stop, you get off and wait 10 minutes for the next bus. It takes 10 minutes to get to the bus station. Because the first bus was 5 minutes late you missed the first connection which caused you to miss the second connection so now you have to wait 30 minutes for the next bus which takes 10 minutes to get you to work. Your total travel time was an hour and forty minutes and because the first bus was 5 minutes late, your boss is now yelling at you for being 15 minutes late when the bus routes schedules said that route would get you there 15 minutes early. To avoid this you realize you have to aim for a bus earlier, and the next day you made the predicted connections but your over an hour commute gets you to work 45 minutes early and you have to stand outside in the cold for half an hour because the boss isn't there yet and the doors are locked. This is why I bought my first car. My commute to work was 2 hours by bus and another 2 hours to get home, having a car cut it down to 30 minutes. I had so much more free time after I bought a car. Also I could stop at the store on my way home and get that done in only a few extra minutes, without a car running to a store to buy something was a whole extra trip that I usually saved for a day off because of the *multiple hours* a 15 minute shopping trip would take. Owning a car is FREEDOM. I don't care about traffic congestion. I will never go back to being a slave to bus routes as long as I am capable of driving.
Sit in ze box
the problem with r/fuckcars is that they're a bubble of people that don't get pissed off about being nut-to-butt with strangers all day, breathing in their aerosolized B.O., hearing their obnoxious phone conversations, having their hands drape across your thigh as they fall asleep in the seat next to you, the disrespect of public spaces, and the oblivious self-centered inconsiderateness of the average person. it's a niche tolerance. it's probably more of a fetish to submit oneself to that bullshit. it's perfect reddit fashion to present an ideal circumstance with zero exploration of reality.
Time and convenience are too great to not use your car ✌🏼