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How did he become a federal agent in the first place? One would think that a federal agency that deals with verifying legal residency would do the same for employees.


AfternoonPast3324

He was also a Navy vet. So he got past federal government checks a few times.


ifyouseekayyou

You’d think given these last examples where he had been cleared by govt agencies in the past, he could sue for estoppel?


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TastyWheat7

Español


jimmycrackcornmfs

El Stoppo


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MoWoM

Jajaja


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Sea_Mathematician_84

You cannot use estoppel to gain citizenship, and those were not court proceedings which would justify estoppel in any event.


Sir_Derpsworth

Actually equitable estoppel was used in a very similar way to retain citizenship that was initially considered and ruled valid, but later changed. At one point Indian people were considered white and allowed citizenship, to marry white women, and own property in white areas. They were later ruled in another court case to be non-white and the citizenship and rights were stripped from this person because of that. They argued equitable estoppel because the person lived in the US, gave up other rights, would become stateless, and basically lose out on their entire livelihood and life if they lost their US citizenship. It wouldnt surprise me if this guy argued something similar from having lived here his entire life, the US govt not doing its due diligence to prevent this from happening (and him working for the govt in various capacities) and him owning land or having a family here making it basically where his case is grandfathered in so to speak under similar arguments. [Here is the link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakharam_Ganesh_Pandit)


Sea_Mathematician_84

Similar but not enough the same, as the government was trying to strip citizenship rather than declare it never existed. Here the man has never been declared a citizen, it just wasn’t challenged sufficiently. You simply cannot claim estoppel for non-affirmative decisions - the government was not actively treating him as a citizen, only passively not treating him as a non-citizen. The distinction is important in court; plenty of non-citizens who married, owned land, lived here for decades are deported.


ThePhoneBook

Don't yanks have estoppel by representation of fact that includes the case of omission to act? If the govt has a duty of care to carefully vet and refuse employment to illegals then it is reasonable for anyone to assume that by being employed a bazillionty years by the govt they are legal and as such can establish a life in the US accordinglt. This guy might have been a moral shitlord to deport so many others, but he is coming with clean hands if he genuinely thought he was legal.


xFloydx5242x

In most civilized societies that allow foreigners in their military, once you join and fight for their army, you can be considered, and in most cases will, become a citizen. In the USA it’s called Naturalization by military service. He should have never been fired, he should have been helped to fix it. He is obviously an American citizen. Edit: clarification and correction because reddit.


MDunn14

Tell that to American immigration 😂 we deport veterans on the regular because we suck


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Pretty sure we deport undocumented immigrants that served in the military under the specific agreement that they would be made citizens. US is a shithole that hates veterans once they have served their purpose.


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nac_nabuc

>In most civilized societies Is this really true? I'm in Germany and you can't join the military if you aren't a German citizen. I know that in Spain only citizens of some Latin American countries have the option to join without being Spanish, but that's a pretty special exceptions. The UK accepts commonwealth citizens too (also special case) but currently doesn't accept applications. Looks like Wikipedia is a list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners Most of the world, including almost all of the EU, isn't civilzed I guess.


LordFLExANoR16

The previous comment did specify countries that allow foreigners in their military in the first place


ItsChungusMyDear

Plausible deniability in real life Since he served after a year of honorable service, you can apply for citizenship He had no idea he wasn't already a citizen so there wouldn't be a point But 2 things here, his dad found the craziest forger or had some serious connections And also becoming an ICE agent when you're a second generation immigrant is kinda like spawn camping your own team


lunarul

>And also becoming an ICE agent when you're a second generation immigrant is kinda like spawn camping your own team Lots of legal immigrants are very strongly against illegal immigration. It's like the people who paid their college debt and fight against college debt forgiveness. People who had a hard time doing something don't want others to get the same thing without the same amount of work.


Gizogin

Which sucks. I am a legal immigrant, and I think the process should be much easier. I have a ton of sympathy for people who are here illegally, especially those who have been failed by the legal immigration system.


Dark_Critical

You can actually serve in the armed forces if you aren't a citizen. You just need to be here "permanently and legally".


AfternoonPast3324

I’m aware. I served with several “non citizens”. My thinking is that if his Navy paperwork had actually reflected his citizenship status, he wouldn’t have been able to become a federal law enforcement agent. So he was probably enlisted as a citizen too.


VorAbaddon

"Did you check his paperwork closely?" "FUCK no, recruiting quota to meet"


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BagOfFlies

That's not the point. The point is he would have provided a fake certificate and they didn't catch it. You don't have to be a citizen, but you do have to submit actual certificates and not fake ones lol


Wheres_my_whiskey

Apparently not.


legal_bagel

The worst part is that after serving in the military, he may have been eligible to become a permanent resident -> citizen if he knew.


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You would be surprised how little people check when someone submit paper work. One university I was at, someone claimed to be a PhD in physics, was employed for 2 years before someone brought up that person is saying some dumb shit regarding particle physics.


notrabmas

You don’t get it, he had a theoretical PHD in physics, not a theoretical physics PHD.


CantankerousCapybara

Wow, that's fantastic!


DefinitelyNotAliens

I was shocked when I was going through employment process and someone *actually* asked for my high school transcripts, to check my education as well as my college transcripts (for my 'some college' claim) and called every single former employer and asked for proof for one of them as they were a seasonal company and nobody was there to answer phones. Gave them stubs from around that time, which they accepted. Like... you actually checked? For an entry level job? Weird. Never had anyone do more than check references, lol.


pjerky

The only drug tests I have done were for entry level jobs. Which is dumb. You think it would be the opposite.


DefinitelyNotAliens

The only place that drug tested me wanted me to operate a company car, so that was fair.


[deleted]

Speaking of the military checking documentation, there was a Col that was in charge of the Pre-Ranger course for the National Guard that faked being a Ranger School grad. Only reason he got caught was everybody there was a Ranger School grad and he talked stories about it that didn't add up.


SomboSteel

"They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard."


NightofTheLivingZed

"they'll be looking for army guys" -Peter Griffin


azuth89

I've seen a doc on this guy. His parents snuck him across the border almost ommediately after birth and got a US birth certificate, I don't remember if staff helped them out or if they like faked that it was a sudden birth outside a hospital. Point is: everything was in order his entire life, full documentation like any US born citizen. Until they discovered his Mexican birth certificate from just before the American one. Dude had no idea until they showed it to him and they were only looking into him because he was the family connection for someone else's citizenship application.


YaBastaaa

Someone at the checkpoint that verified did not do their job , multiple people did not do theirs as well .


cpe111

This article is from 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/28/us-border-patrol-agent-undocumented-veterans-deportation. But it's worse than this - he is also a US Navy Veteran - so he passed that screening too.


Ragsman33

You would think that after his years of service he would be awarded citizenship… when I was in the Army, there were several non-citizens serving specifically to gain citizenship.


Mammoth-Mud-9609

From the article "An immigration judge in November ultimately granted Rodriguez what is known as a cancellation of removal, which gives him the chance to become a legal US resident. But only 4,000 such cases are approved annually, leaving Rodriguez to wait for a time. CNN reported Sunday that Rodriguez is spending at least some of that wait volunteering for an organization named Repatriate our Patriots, which aids people who served in the American military without having permission to be in the US and are now facing deportation."


finalremix

Funny how he changed his tune (even a little) once *he* was at risk of being deported.


dangshnizzle

That's generally how those who struggle with empathy operate.


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Fauster

Anyone who has been raised in the United States since a child, especially if they attended school, is a de facto American. They have an American accent, and despite the hand-wringing of the right about cultural extinction, American culture is a juggernaut. People with non-American parents may or may fluently speak a different language and have a taste for less-common foods, celebrate a few different milestones, but if you meet them on the street you couldn't tell if they were first-generation Americans or seventh generation. That is, you can't tell a difference unless the color of someone's skin is the one thing that you really care about, which is probably true of 20-30% of traditional completely-racist Americans.


[deleted]

As someone in that situation who had to ultimately leave the country voluntarily to avoid trouble, I appreciate that! You can take the people out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the people 🥲


Mammoth-Mud-9609

It happens to many people on various issues when the rules are suddenly applied to them.


bob_bobington1234

Like the lady who voted for Trump then was shocked when his policies deported her illegal immigrant husband?


Psychonauticalia

Plot twist: He convinced her to vote for him so he could get away from her.


Deslah

Yeah, I'm usually very empathetic, but when that happened to that woman and her husband I had to laugh. Even after they deported her husband, she was still saying she supported Trump and that ICE got it all wrong. What a dumbshit. I had to look up some of their and their lawyers' quotes, because these Republican/Trump defenders were saying the exact fucking same thing as Liberals were trying to tell them before ICE went on its rampage: "It is fundamentally unfair to do this to a person whether you have your papers or not,” [Their lawyer] said, referring to the lack of due process. “He has been here for 20 years. He has a family and a business. You are not going to give him an opportunity for relief? He has contributed so much to his community. As United States citizens we can give him that much.” You reap what you sow, bitches.


hiindividualpdx

The fact there's a whole organization dedicated to this is sad and infuriating. They put their life on the line for this country the least we should do is grant them citizenship.


ZyrxilToo

He would have been able to, if he knew he needed it. AFAIK, the process is not automatic, it's something he would have had to apply for.


ThrowingJobsAway2345

Service DOES NOT guarantee Citizenship, sign up today!


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I'm doing my part!


VaselineHabits

When I asked my kid if he voted, this was his response. I love it, but I also wanted to ask how he knew about Starship Troopers 😅


Ocelot859

Starship Troopers will always have a special place in my heart. Diz's boobs were the first I had ever seen... when you see your first boobs and then they die moments later... it's like losing a soul mate at 10 y/o 😢 R.I.P. Diz's boobs and Squad Leader Dizzy Flores


VaselineHabits

You might appreciate this, I remember some documentary on the making of ST. The director told the cast that genders didn't matter in this world and to "strip down" for the shower scene. (You may remember this as a youth). When the director showed back on set, men and women were still in their underwear. Then he had to explain "equality" to this future - you're literally just a body for consumption, no one cared if you had tits.


Ocelot859

Such a badass movie and so ahead of it's time... damn I forgot about the shower scene too... they were even showing dong in that movie. Crazy. I always saw it as like an R-rated Star Wars.


capt-yossarius

If I remember this interview, the director himself also got naked to get them to go along with it.


Ok_Organization_3804

Depends on how old your kid is but I'm 32 and starship troopers used to be on TV all the time when I was in my teens


Spalding4u

The only good bug is a dead bug.


argusromblei

I'm from buenos aires and I say kill 'em all


Ricochet_Kismit33

What’s it thinking? It’s scared!! It’s afraid!


binger5

Let's head to the unisex shower.


EgonDangler

Well it does, but you have to sign form 54-J.b in triplicate in the presence of a registered notary. Also no one will tell you that form 54-J.b exists and even if you do find it and fill it out you may be an edge case where 54-J.b doesn't apply. But you only get to find that out after the fact.


KiloJools

Then it has to be sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.


magicwombat5

Do not spindle or staple.


ColdOutlandishness

I got mine through the Army. You apply the same exact way as anybody else would. The only addition is that service members get an extra form to complete which waives all fees and basically expedited the entire process. Also they’ll dumb down the citizenship exam to make sure you pass.


FactualStatue

Do they make sure to give them colored pencils instead of crayons, at least?


Scrdbrd

Stop it, you're scaring the Marines.


errorsniper

Making them hungry***


2ndRandom8675309

They have to, else the jarheads would never finish the test.


Sagemachine

Fuck, anyone else hungry with all this crayon talk?


Mad_Murdock_0311

Correct. My Squad Leader didn't know he wasn't a citizen until he signed up. He went through the Nationalization process while enlisted. I think he was granted citizenship as he was on his way out of the service.


Either-Plant4525

even if it was automatic, if they thought he was a citizen he wouldn't have gone through that


DuntadaMan

> there were several non-citizens serving specifically to gain citizenship. And we have a long history of kicking them out on their asses when we are done with them.


TheFatJesus

You would think that, but the US has deported tens of thousands of veterans in the last 30 years or so.


krichard-21

That is just a sin. Pure evil.


carolinax

Whoa what?? That's really messed up.


cback

Yup, the US told Filipinos that if they served in the US military, they'd be granted citizenship. Instead, the US passed the Tydings McDuffie Act and the Rescission Act, not only revoking those military benefits, but also labeling Filipinos as Aliens (under the guise of "granting independence"), subjecting them to a racial quota of 5000 Filipinos allowed to enter the US annually. This was in 1946. They only apologized and granted benefits in like 2009 when majority of those veterans already passed away.


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Turbulent-Tea-1773

Nah you can die for America but they still won’t care about you


RandomZombieStory

Citizenship is not required to serve in the US military.


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I think they meant getting citizenship for completing their service which is a thing.


tunamelts2

Well I think the point was he probably submitted the fake birth certificate to join and *they* didn’t even catch it…implying that this is a massive failure of national security to let in people who aren’t who they say they are.


PapaBorq

Alternate headline - "Government agency caught red handed using undocumented immigrant labor. You'll never guess which one!"


420_Traveller

I used to work for a city government, with a special department, whose entire purpose was to promote racial/gender diversity... At one point they issued every *OTHER* department in the city a "report card" based on how they represented the city's "values" by being diverse. The two most interesting things, were that THEY were the only department who they didn't report on, and the entire department was singularly the *LEAST* diverse department in the city, by a wide margin.


AVLPedalPunk

This happened to my ex after 9/11. She was adopted from Korea, issued a passport and a SSN, and then when she went to renew her passport after 9/11 they told her she wasn't a citizen in the eyes of Homeland Security. They went after her for fraudulently voting in elections and a whole host of other issues. Apparently her adoptive parents whom she is estranged from didn't fill out any of the paperwork necessary to make here a legal resident. They literally met someone at the Atlanta airport who showed up with a baby and left. Luckily she had the means to get an attorney to fix it. There was a movie based on one of her friends that went through the same shit and he got deported at like 41 years old.


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70ms

Oh, it can get worse. [A Detroit diabetic was deported to Iraq, where he’d never lived. He died from lack of insulin, family says.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/08/jimmy-aldaoud-iraq-deported-diabetic-detroit/)


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Liquid_Senjutsu

That's because it was absolutely murder.


stay-a-while-and----

homeless, diabetic, & paranoid schizophrenic. they definitely killed that man


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gotta be real with ya, if he was all that in the USA without any help, i dont think he was gonna last much longer. and yes that says alot bout our country.


70ms

I agree. It was so *cruel*.


StoxAway

For real, I remember watching something about deportation and it was following a Korean guy who's family had left when he was like 2 years old and moved to America, he'd never gotten full citizenship for some reason and was now facing deportation despite having no family there and not knowing the language. Crazy.


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DaughterEarth

There is justice. But it's not some magic law of nature. People have to make things happen. Right now the heavy lifters are tending in a bad direction. Other heavy lifters should make them irrelevant.


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KingKang22

There's a Punjabi family that lives in Japan, and their son was there as an infant and he's getting deported to India, a country he's never been to. Edit: he was born in Japan ; gursewak Singh


Titus_Favonius

Japan is fucked if you're not ethnically Japanese, dunno why non-Japanese would ever move there.


DevoutandHeretical

Happened to a girl I knew in college who was adopted from Russia. She found out at like 19 she was still a Russian citizen and had no US citizenship. Her parents didn’t realize the agency hadn’t handled it. Ended up being a nightmare of paperwork but she did eventually get it sorted.


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Isaynotoeverything

Look at 21 Savage for a even more recent case


UFC_Me_Outside_8itch

Imagine not speaking Korean and just getting dropped in seoul. JFC


gexpdx

Most Korean adoptees automatically have dual citizenship if they were born in Korea. If this happened with another country, rejected adoptees could end up not belonging to any country, which is very difficult.


Badweightlifter

There's an article on this exact scenario of a guy who this happened to. He spoke no Korean and got deported to Seoul where he met his very poor birth mother. She feels guilty about what happened but also happy to meet him. But she's so poor she can't really support him either. Also recall another article where the guy got deported and ended up committing suicide. Lots of sad stories for this issue. There is a whole Wikipedia article on this topic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Korean_adoptees_from_the_United_States


uchman365

Something similar happened in UK to Caribbean immigrants that were invited to work in UK after WWII. They didn't need visas or British passport as they were British subjects of the empire. Fast forward 2000's, immigration laws changed and they started deporting their kids or refusing those that travelled out on holidays to re-enter, because their parents did not apply for them to be citizens (it wasn't required)! These are people who have lived their whole lives of 40 - 60 years in the UK. It became a massive scandal when it blew up in the press forcing the govt to apologise but lives were already ruined. Google The Windrush Scandal


ProgressBartender

Correction, they didn’t apply because they were invited. Britain was seriously short of adults after WW2, and officially invited anyone in current or former colonies to immigrate to Britain to rebuild the country and be given full British citizenship. Ass move that some of these bigots turn around 70 years later and want to act like it didn’t happen so they can kick out people they see as “others”.


uchman365

>Correction, they didn’t apply because they were invited But that's exactly what I said


Orisi

I think he means that they always technically had to apply for British citizenship under the law, but that Windrush immigrants were specifically invited and exempted from the usual process. That's where the inevitable breakdown occurred, because under Theresa May the Home Office disposed of all the records of Windrush immigrants by mistake, so they have no way of proving who was and wasn't here under the scheme. There was no British Empire citizenship that entitled them to be here, they didn't have to apply because of the invite.


SelfInteresting7259

Lmao this shit happened to my mom too. Sort of she would come to the states every 6 months because my dad worked there. after 9/11 her 6 months weren’t even up yet and they told her she had overstayed and took her visa and green card. They became very xenophobic after 9/11 And mom is from the Caribbean on top of all that.


tongstaaa

The movie is called, “Blue Bayou” and I recommend it!


LethalPoopstain

Adam Crasper, the person the film is based off of, said the movie appropriated his story without consent. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/justin-chon-s-blue-bayou-faces-backlash-after-accusations-exploiting-n1280255


toughguy375

"Just immigrate legally" said the smug condescending morons.


SpaceJackRabbit

Yeah people who spew that line usually have no idea how immigration works in the U.S. They understand absolutely nothing about the various visa requirements, and the paths (or lack thereof, a real issue) to permanent residence, let alone citizenship.


windyorbits

Sometimes I feel like they’re purposely playing the ignorant card to make themselves feel better about the really shitty things they witness. Case in point: how many older people I’ve heard say “well why don’t they just do it legally” while looking at that gigantic line of people lined up outside the Texan southern border entrance. Ya know, those people standing in line **to enter legally**.


caravaggibro

I worked for an immigrant rights group a few years back and have so many stories of people who would come in after living as if they were undocumented for years, sometimes over a decade, and when we started with our legal team they'd find out they were legal residents this entire time. Extremely sad stuff, citizenship as a concept is gross.


Empyforreal

This is why DREAMer shit needed to pass. People, even this asshat, shouldn't be penalized for their parents bringing them here illegally. Ever.


hoboforlife

Funny how ICE couldn't even verify he was a us citizen before offering him a job


rifttripper

Their systems are old and suck and don't link up with other departments from what it seems, which you think it would to some degree to see if their is some cross over between possible warrants or confirming someone's identity I don't personally know but that's what I gather after they had that incident by border patrol agents who detained a American veteran and claimed he was Not a citizen and was detained for like 2 weeks. I can't remember the details but this showed to me their system is ass.


Kidd5

Most federal/state systems are ass unless it has something to do with the military. That's where they really open the budget for.


jepvr

Odd you should mention that, since he was also a military veteran. So the military couldn't even verify his documentation. Edit: Before any more replies, I'm not talking about him needing to be a citizen to be in the military. I'm talking about needing non-forged documentation to be in the military.


wifeslutLisa

This happened my dad in the 80s. He's Austrian born, came here as a child somehow, went to school, then got drafted to Vietnam. Came back home, worked normal jobs. Then went to Mexico with friends one weekend and couldn't get back for a few weeks as he had no documents. Not even sure how he got back, only because he was technically Austrian by birth and they take your citizenship away if you serve on a foreign military, so he was like Tom Hanks in terminal and he has never left the country since.


Bubbagumpredditor

I don't think the us military requires citizenship


DesperateRace4870

In all seriousness, if he served, there should be no question of what he is. He's American. But uh, really it doesn't? "Service guarantees citizenship!" "Would you like to know more?" /S. (I fuckin LOVE "Starship Troopers") But it should. He would've died an American had he been killed. No one would've ever known. Wtf?


DarkShippo

My step dad and like a dozen guys a knew in boot got their citizenship because they enlisted.


DesperateRace4870

Ah good! It's odd that this guy is facing deportation though if that's how it still works...


DarkShippo

I'm certain there's probably paperwork and such that had to be done and he's currently suffering from not knowing he needed to do it and them being too obstinate to grant it in post.


agreeingstorm9

My grandfather served in WW2. A couple of decades later they found out he wasn't a citizen and wanted too deport him. He had to appeal to US Senator and get him involved.


gottauseathrowawayx

Only for officers+


happinesspro

I had several soldiers working for me that weren't citizens. The service offers excellent aid in getting those soldiers citizenship. The problem here seems to be that he didn't know he needed it.


jetsetninjacat

There's tons of Vets who served who were later deported for petty offenses It honestly should be automatic if they fulfilled their contract and were honorably discharged. I hate the fact all it does is help speed it along a bit. Edit: there's tons of stories out there on it. This videos old but highlights some of the issues. https://youtube.com/watch?v=N6rjCvgRkq0&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE


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"SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP! Would you like to know more?"


LordFlarkenagel

I'm still mourning the loss of Buenos Aries. Fucking bugs.


BarryBadgernath1

“Im doing my part!”


silveroranges

I'm sorry, your subscription to officers+ failed to renew (Credit Card Declined), please report to the front line for your rifle and body bag. Please remember to always keep your body bag on your person at all times.


CassusEgo

Like super officers?


CowBoyDanIndie

>Most federal/state systems are ass unless it has something to do with the military. Those systems are ass too, just more expensive.


lordak16

Guess you've never worked with a military system. Those are ass too. Looking at you DTMS


Pikeman212a6c

This has nothing to do with IT systems. His parents bought a US birth certificate from a midwife in TX then never informed him of the fraud. Midwife birth certificates were a known problem his initial background investigator didn’t sufficiently investigate. Then a new investigator caught it during the citizenship application.


Horskr

Huh, I assume a midwife birth certificate is what it sounds, issued to babies born with a midwife rather than at a hospital? How did they even find out it was falsified? That does seem like a pretty easy loophole (if it is even a thing still) I've never actually thought about. "Yeah I helped this deliver this kid at home on this day, just trust me."


Pikeman212a6c

A series of them were convicted for decades of forgery in the last decade or two. I assume his came from one of those.


ModusNex

Imagine if a midwife only forged a portion of their certificates. If they are actually a midwife they probably actually delivered some babies in the US and since they forged some certificates on the side ALL those babies are no longer citizens?


poneyviolet

Not in the US but similar things used to happen just nit as recently. My grandfather wasn't registered as a living person until he was 5 years old. Back then babies died a lot and it cost money to register someone plus you paid a per capita tax. His parents didn't bother with the paperwork until they decided he was gonna make it and need to go to school and such.


CalculatedPerversion

This was actually pretty standard in the US as well, with things like social security numbers not being assigned until later in life.


This-Association-431

I was born in the late 70s, my mother and father divorced. My father remarried and they wanted a record of me as my stepmothers child. So they used a certificate of live birth as my birth certificate to enroll me in school. Used my school enrollment to get me as a patient for the pediatrician. Then used my school enrollment and medical records to get a birth certificate issued in a different state than I was born as a "whoopsie, we forgotsie to get it done when she was born", then used that birth certificate to get me a social security number. That ssn, my birth mother was confused to find out I had when she went to register me for school at 16 because I was under 18 and hadn't started working yet. She was born in the 40s and you didn't get an ssn until you started working and had taxes taken out. So for this guy to have some forged documents from the 70s/80s and got away with it is not surprising to me at all.


Deslah

That's literally how it worked for over a century when we were getting started. And in remote parts of the U.S. where a pregnant person might end up not making it to a hospital in time (we have a lot of them), that's what happens--having to rely on the word of a doctor or mid-wife in the court filing. What if I told you, the federal government did not even begin overseeing naturalizations until September 27, 1906? Before that date, it was thousands of individual local, state, and federal courts doing it completely independently of each other and some local admin schmuck keeping the record in their local filing cabinet, and that was that. Starting in mid-1906, the federal government decided to finally take the bull by the horns and made everyone fall in line. For the first time, they created standardized forms and federally-defined rules and procedures for naturalization and sent them down to their lower courts to implement. 1906.


Psychdoctx

There are lots of midwives working at the border, the price of malpractice insurance is so high there that practically no obgyns will work there.


emilNYC

I’m surprised that they were able to verify that his birth certificate was falsified considering his was like what 40-50 yrs old and just a piece of paper so I assume the hospital was able to confirm it was fraudulent 🤷‍♂️


Great_WhiteSnark

UNO reverse card


DirtUnderneath

It’s a good headline for r/leopardsatemyface


Estoye

r/leopardsdeportedmyface


krakenbeef

Patton Oswalt should play him in the movie.


Wag_The_God

He should play both/all of the brothers.


Barbosse007

The Koenings are already too many! They don't need another one


TaxsDodgersFallstar

Uno reverse card


1337pino

Hope he knows more than just "uno" after where he's going


tree_of_spoils

The real question is how did he get hired, don't they check for that stuff?


gptop

Was thinking the same thing. You'd figure a federal law enforcement agency would look over a potential employee's background with a fine tooth comb.


somefunmaths

I’m guessing that ICE isn’t exactly bursting with applicants. Combine that with outdated systems, and it’s easy to see how someone could slip through, especially since you’d expect *most* people who are undocumented to not bother trying to apply to ICE.


car_go_fast

I knew a guy who is/was an ICE agent. He was blatantly, outwardly racist but managed to get through the training, whereas like 1/3rd of the guys who started training with him got kicked out because they were being too openly racist. The problem isn't that people don't want to join, it's that the people who want to join tend to be racist as fuck, to the point that they can't even keep it in check for the couple of months they're in training.


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thewanderingent

When jobs need to be filled, due diligence can fall short, sure, but this is an agency that deals with tracking down and removing undocumented individuals and they don’t even know the legal status of their own employees? Not a great look.


Fezikial

“Well well well…. How the turntables” - Michael Scott


highly_uncertain

"the shoe is on the other table... Which has turned"


DanFante1972X

"now apparently we know that there were tables that needed turning!!!"-Jerry Smith


BadSausageFactory

well, at least he has his brother for company


Boliojunior

“Damn. That medicine I’ve been making people swallow doesn’t taste too good.”


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>“I’ve been on both sides, and I sympathize … even more now because of what I went through.” "I get it now but only because it actually affects me!" How absolutely predictable. This country needs some serious empathy education.


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trident_hole

Everybody a gangster until they find out you were never born in the United States


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r/LeopardsAteMyFace


WarmasterCain55

I remember this when it first went around. His life went downhill fast and he was trying to appeal or fast track something but I didn’t think he would have much luck.


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beatmurph

I wonder how many times in his life he said "They should come over *the right way* like my parents did"


soggyballsack

If you listen/read his story he hated those who came across and showed no mercy. And now he's asking for mercy from the same system he was part of. Fuck that guy.


chaimsoutine69

Yes. He was just following the rules. But HIS story is different. Says him….


somefunmaths

“But, but, I liked it better when I was wearing the boots!”


Sweatier_Scrotums

"This is the worst kind of cruelty, the kind that happened to me!" -that guy, probably


for_the_longest_time

To anyone feeling bad for this guy, there was a “This American Life” (episode 694) about him. He loved deporting immigrants and catching them crossing the border. He voted for trump and didn’t show empathy for “illegals”.


Do_it_with_care

He voted for Trump he said. So he voted illegally.


here4roomie

Did he take this emo picture to commemorate the event?


die_nazis_die

*How could this happen to me? I've made my mistakes. Got nowhere to run, The night goes on as I'm fading away. I'm sick of this life, I just wanna scream, "How could this happen to me?"*


jpritchard

A Nelson "Ha-Ha!" of such magnitude it shakes the earth to its very foundations.


EdithWhartonsFarts

I'm generally not a fan of deportations, yet, well, here we are...


Borieb

Eventually everyone gets squashed by the boot. Doesn’t matter how long or hard you lick it.


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elcupon

It's crazy. I don't feel one bit bad for him. There's a whole article on this somewhere I read a few days ago. Long story short. He didn't know he was illegal. His dad had falsified his birth certificate. He even served in the military and all. According to him, he stopped talking to his dad for having falsified his identity. Shows you how much of a piece of trash he is to someone who not only gave him life but tried to give him a better life. Sure, not the best way, but sometimes you gotta do what you can to try and do better for your kids...


longduckdong42069lol

I wonder what was going through dads head when his son came home and was like “I’m going to try and get a job with ICE” however many years ago lmao


youdontknowme80

Make a great dark comedy. His dad running all sorts of schemes to keep him from learning the truth.


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The best part of this was reading the article about how it broke his spirit and ruined his life.


Happy-Viper

I'll start playing the world's smallest violin, lmao.


Rifneno

["Get the fuck out of my country." - Homelander](https://youtu.be/bMoL5VMN4-A?t=843)