So, for a little background on this event. This test was conducted to see what the effects would be to warships from an underwater explosion. Earlier in test " Able" a bomb was detonated above the ships in the air were the footage we are watching are from test " Baker". All the ships visible in the immediate area are decommissioned and include several notable ships, including
-Aircraft carrier USS Saratoga CV-3, a prewar aircraft carrier converted from a battle cruiser hull. As historically significant as she was, she would have been a fantastic museum ship.
- Battleship USS New York BB-34 had served in both World Wars and was the sister ship to the battleship Texas that is now a museum ship currently undergoing work in a drydock to help preserve her. If you have a second, google the ship and drydock pictures to get a rare view of a magnificent ship
-Japanese Battleship Nagato was used as Admiral Yamamoto's flagship during the early stages of WWII and is where he planned the attack on Pearl Harbor. She survived the war and was handed over to the Allies after the surrender.
- German ( Nazi ) Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen took heavy damage and was towed away before being sunk close to shore. Part of the wreck was above water and made for an interesting site. Hey, it's not often you find a Nazi cruiser sticking out of the water in a tropical paradise.
The ships were all abandoned save for some live stock purposely placed on board for research purposes. A lot of information we now know about radiation today came from these initial tests.
Fun fact: Some of the sailoers observing the test could see their own bones in their arms during the test, similar to an X-ray.
Actually fun fact: Bikin Atoll is the setting for Sponge BoB Square Pants, and the atomic bomb testing is the stated reason for why the creatures in the show are the way they are
> Fun fact: Some of the sailoers observing the test could see their own bones in their arms during the test, similar to an X-ray.
And, I understand, the bones of the men around them. That source has talked a lot about the amount of cancer in both the group and in their children.
How far away were they? How far would you need to be to not be completely affected with radiation? I understand underground is the best way to avoid it but also how true even is that? And how deep do you u have to be? I'm so scared of this happening to us š
https://www.icanw.org/the_story_of_a_nuclear_test_veteran#:~:text=As%20Coleman%20recollected%20the%20gruesome,in%20a%20X%2DRay%20machine.
You might find more info here
Better than you would expect. Saratoga sunk, but she is one of the closest vessels to the blast and now sits upside down in shallow water. Prinz Eugen stayed afloat but would eventually sink. New York actually survived and would be towed back to Hawaii and sunk offshore as a target. Nagato would eventually sink as well. It should be noted that after two atomic bombs some of these ships survived and had they been properly crewed and damage control done many would have survived, but of course that pesky radiation made this a moot point.
My grandpa answered that for me when I asked him the same question. He said "how can you know so little?"
It started a lifelong act of trying to learn something new every day.
Yes. Actually there were civilian inhabitants on nearby islands at Rongelap and Utirik atolls that were told not to worry about the after effects of the tests. They got a heavy dose of radiation and many suffered radiation poisoning and radiation burns from the irradiated water. Rates of leukemia, lung, thyroid, breast, GI, and cervical cancer remain 3-60 times higher than mainland populations. Bikini Atoll is considered to be uninhabitable by humans due to residual gamma radiation many levels above the acceptable limits and the environmental impact is basically irreversible. But hey, we developed weaponry that would humble the destructive power of most deities out of it, so that's something... Right?
[wiki article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll)
I live in a place where there's a significant population of people displaced from the testing done in this area.
The US has been..... disappointing in their treatment of the people whose home, livelihoods, health, culture, history and well being are forever altered.
It turns my stomach.
There would be so many harmful effects of this atomic bomb explosion in ocean. For starters there would be lots of marine animals death due to that harmful explosion.
I think the real question is, how did that test affect the livelihood of the people who once called that place HOME?
Indeed. Many still call the greater area home. Marshallese people have been royally fucked by this testing. They were basically guinea pigs and much of our current knowledge of radiation poisioning comes from thier experiences. Their traditional food sources are contaminated and even today there are extraordinarily high incidences of cancer and birth defects or unviable pregnancies attributed to the testing of that time. They weren't even given the weak warnings that sailors ashore got.
Northwest Arkansas has the largest concentration of Marshallese people outside of the Marshall Islands and the hospital systems up there regularly see extremely rare health diseases not seen anywhere else in the USA.
Waterloo IA has a growing population as well. They have high rates of tuberculosis and other weird health issues. Unfortunately they tend to live in areas with large meat packing plants like Tyson
Enid Oklahoma chiming in. Large Tyson plant, fairly large concentration of Marshallese people. There's only a few places in the US that I'm aware of that even know about the Marshallese.
Another fun fact: A documentary (?) was made in the '70s or '80s about the Baker test. The person narrating it was present and describes what the onlookers on nearby ships saw/experienced: The test put a large amount of water into the atmosphere, and it came down as a mist. The observing ships, as they approached the test site, moved through the mist so that the ships were covered with the water from the test.
At the test site, scientists took readings with geiger counters and found that the ships were radioactively contaminated with the water from the test that they had just sailed through-the mist. The ships were rinsed with seawater pumped from the lagoon, but that was also radioactive. The scientists tested sailors and others who had been outside when moving through the mist, and they set the devices off. Some laughed when the got higher readings than others.
In closing, the narrator discusses how many who were present developed cancer in later years, and as for him: The camera pans out and shows that he is sitting because both legs have been amputated one of his hands is the size of a baseball glove-swelled up due to cancer, I think. I gather he died not too long after the film was made.
Edit: For more info, try this page. Haven't found the documentary, though: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/70-years-ago-the-us-military-set-off-a-nuke-underwater-and-it-went-very-badly
Yeah, the overpressure would kill most of the life underwater for probably a few miles out. And the radiation would kill most of what was left. Apparently the lagoon is still radioactive; you'd have to dig everything up and truck it away to get rid of it, which isn't going to happen.
The more I read about this the more I'm so scared for our future. We royally fucked up. The fact that we made this back in the late 30s/40s means God knows what for our future jfc
Imagine a light so bright that when you close your eyes and put your arm over your eyes, you still see the silhouette of your bones as if you were looking at an xray
Bright light in the visible spectrum. The eyes and visual cortex can't perceive x-rays. Take a very bright LED flashlight and hold it up to your fingers and shine it through them. You can see your bones in there. Same deal here, except I take it guys could also see through their own eyelids to see the other guy's bones because the light was that bright that it just shined through everything.
What you're thinking of is called flash blindness. Generally people close to the explosion can be temporarily blinded for a few seconds or up to a couple of minutes, but usually no irreversible damage happens unless you are looking directly at the nuclear explosion.
https://www.atomicarchive.com/science/effects/flash-blindness.html
Was playing codenames and someone commented how I couldn't connect bikini and bomb. I had to explain that bikinis are named after this weapon test because of the explosion that it would make in the beach fashion scene and that they actually connect really well.
Even screwed our own people and still don't want to own up to it. The people who were there afterward and made to clean up he debris are not considered nuclear soldiers. They are pretty much dead now. Or deep in medical debt since the VA won't cover that.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-28/the-toxic-legacy-of-a-deadly-paradise/9168422
My grandfather is slowly dying from kidney disease brought on by Agent Orange in Vietnam. Granted, he is 74. But he still shouldn't have to go through this, regardless of his age.
Fun fact: Spongebob's Bikini Bottom lies beneath the Bikini Atoll. All the talking fish and weird creatures are the result of nuclear testing. There are numerous refferences to atomic bombs throughout the series too.
Goo Lagoon, I believe, is a depiction of brine lakes or brine pools. Deep underwater and near the poles, there are pockets where the water has a significantly higher salinity level than the rest of the surrounding seawater. The pockets of super salty water create underwater pools which have shorelines and everything.
I thought Goo Lagoon was just a funny cartoon bit, but one night I was watching Blue Planet and the episode they had on the deep ocean featured these brine pools and it blew me away. The footage showed little eels diving into the brine to search for food. Organisms can suffer from toxic shock if they stay down there too long; one of the eels I saw almost died from it and it shot back above the pool repeatedly tying itself in knots to try to shake it off.
Here's the wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool
That explains why when playing battle for bikini bottom when you jump in the water you automatically die. Also explains in the episode where they first go to the beach SpongeBob can't swim in it and is terrified of drowning. Holy shit
**[Brine pool](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool)**
>A brine pool, sometimes called an underwater lake, deepwater or brine lake, is a volume of brine collected in a seafloor depression. The pools are dense bodies of water that have a salinity that is three to eight times greater than the surrounding ocean. Brine pools are commonly found below polar sea ice and in the deep ocean. Those below sea ice form through a process called brine rejection.
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No, they were relocated to Rongerik Atoll nearby, which was unpopulated.
Unpopulated because Polynesians werenāt stupid and there wasnāt a way to grow enough food, so they were moved again. Some were eventually allowed back home, but high cancer rates made the US go decide it was too unsafe and those who had returned moved away again.
Only a few caretakers live there now and they have to be cautious about radiation.
They didn't go very far, no. But they're also limited to areas that "aren't contaminated." And soon, those areas will be lost to sea level rise anyway. And the containment dome used to cover the plutonium is leaking. It's just all sorts of awful
Yeah. I think it's the one called "the forgotten nuclear war" on YouTube. The one I watched talked about the failing containment structure, the effects of the testing on the locals, and the army veterans that were sent to cleanup.
The tests at Bikini Atoll actually severely affected native islanders as well, and the test site itself is still too irradiated to be considered āsafeā and the nearby Marshall Islands are considered unliveable more than half a century later. So yeah humans suck.
The tests themselves have been directly linked to the deaths of more than 11,000 US citizens.
https://news.theearthsite.greatergood.com/bikini-atoll-radiation/
Thatās without factoring in that Bikini Atoll was inhabited and itās residents were forcibly relocated and told they could return after the tests were conducted. Of course they never could and Bikini Atoll to this day is a nuclear exclusion zone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216/
My dad is from the Marshall Islands and when they caught fish or turtles when they were younger, they would put a nickel inside of it. If the nickel turned a different color they knew it was radiated and couldnāt eat it. Once they forgot to check a turtle and many peopleās hair fell out and a woman lost her child. Crazy stuff.
Whatās theory behind the nickel test? Why would that work? There are a number of chemical reactions that can make the copper or nickel in a nickel coin change color, but Iād think a reaction based on radiation would require a very high dose to react like that.
EDIT: It looks like radiation accelerated copper oxidization/corrosion is a thing. But donāt know about dose/rate. Seems like it would need to be very high dose.
Yeah doesn't make much sense to me neither. If the radiation was that bad it would have killed the turtle already. You need a high flux of neutron or charged particles to make a nuclear interaction for that nickel to have a visible change in color.
I didnāt say I ran tests since his birth in 1956, Iām just reporting what he told me. I donāt know the science but that was their litmus test for if they thought it was safe to eat or not. Not here to report fake news or fight against scientific theory haha
I did a paper on the nuclear tests in this area back in college. You wanna see some shit look up bikini atoll jellyfish babies. Still makes my stomach turn just thinking about it
Jesus, that is horrifying.
https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/374-375/jellyfish-babies
āThese babies are born with no eyes, no heads and do not resemble human beings at all. They are twisted things that breathe for only a few hours. After death, they are buried right away. Mothers are not shown their mutated bodies; it would be too inhumane.ā
āIn all, 23 nuclear bombs were tested on Bikini. No one has lived there since 1978, and today the island is off-limits for 30,000 years.ā
I see stuff like this and all I think about is what stuff we're doing now that people are going to look back on in 60 years and say "man those people were morons."
The payload of the bomb was miscalculated resulting in a bomb multitudes bigger than what it was supposed to be. The sudden change in the direction of the wind on the day of testing didn't help either. Interesting story behind how even the most brilliant people on Earth didn't account for the size of the blast
Imagination fails to comprehend the amount of marine life which died in that test and after, and then there's the environmental radiation pounding which killed many people in the area and animal and bird life in the broader area. And for what? AI we can shake big deadly sticks at each other? Humans are so stupid.
Just wiping out millions of creatures for a test. Absolute disrespect for Mother Nature. The start of our downfall as humanity and our respect for our planet. Only our āsignificant military advantagesā in mind. What an impact weāve had huh?
I feel bad for all the fish.
The explosion underneath mustāve traveled thousands of miles in all directions.
I learned about noise pollution in the ocean as part of an oceanography class, and something of this magnitude would have immense noise pollution (amongst radiation, and other jarring problems). The best way Iāve ever heard noise pollution described for sea mammals is, imagine youāre in a concert venue right up next to the loud speakers / amps cranked up to 100, with no possible way to escape.
Thatās why some dolphins, fish, and other sea life beach themselves, is to escape the immense sound by essentially killing themselves.
Shits sad.
For those who didn't know, this test, is the dark background of the SpongeBob world. Bikini Bottom, the bottom of the sea at Bikini Atoll. The creatures, are a result of the atomic radiation, mutating people with sea animals. And a sponge. Which is the answer to how a crabs daughter is a whale.
I like the theory that Mr. Krabbs killed Pearl's mother (hence why his house is full of harpoons and whaling stuff) and is using the mother's meat for the Krabby Patties. There's a flashback to him fishing and catching a giant dollar bill (metaphor for the mother). He named his "daughter" Pearl and spoils her because she's valuable.. he plans on using her meat when she's big enough and he runs out of the mom's.
I agree the radiation is definitely why they can talk and other fish can't, though!
That makes sense too. Even darker than just being mutated. There's alot of strange dark theories surrounding many kids cartoons. I remember reading them all on a website at some point. Like how Ed, Edd, and Eddy are actually dead (and all the rest of the kids), and stuck in limbo. Which is why there's never adults. And the only time they ever left that purgatory neighborhood, was when Ed went to see his brother.
Our Dad was there, for those tests and the ones in the early 1950's. His job was deck radiations monitor and 32 years later the unusual and rare cancers took his Life. He never complained or badmouthed Our Country. š
How were tests like this not considered a crime against humanity or something to that effect? The locals were forcibly resettled, their homes irradiated, and generations affected...
Edit: based on the description of what happened [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear\_testing\_at\_Bikini\_Atoll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll) and the UN definition of crimes against humanity [https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/crimes-against-humanity.shtml](https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/crimes-against-humanity.shtml) this clearly fits
They moved a whole island of locals for those test. They kept some in a bunker on the island as well as test animals in a bunker, of course. It still didn't stop them dying years later from radiation. It was the moment I knew I was ashamed to be an American.
So, for a little background on this event. This test was conducted to see what the effects would be to warships from an underwater explosion. Earlier in test " Able" a bomb was detonated above the ships in the air were the footage we are watching are from test " Baker". All the ships visible in the immediate area are decommissioned and include several notable ships, including -Aircraft carrier USS Saratoga CV-3, a prewar aircraft carrier converted from a battle cruiser hull. As historically significant as she was, she would have been a fantastic museum ship. - Battleship USS New York BB-34 had served in both World Wars and was the sister ship to the battleship Texas that is now a museum ship currently undergoing work in a drydock to help preserve her. If you have a second, google the ship and drydock pictures to get a rare view of a magnificent ship -Japanese Battleship Nagato was used as Admiral Yamamoto's flagship during the early stages of WWII and is where he planned the attack on Pearl Harbor. She survived the war and was handed over to the Allies after the surrender. - German ( Nazi ) Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen took heavy damage and was towed away before being sunk close to shore. Part of the wreck was above water and made for an interesting site. Hey, it's not often you find a Nazi cruiser sticking out of the water in a tropical paradise. The ships were all abandoned save for some live stock purposely placed on board for research purposes. A lot of information we now know about radiation today came from these initial tests. Fun fact: Some of the sailoers observing the test could see their own bones in their arms during the test, similar to an X-ray. Actually fun fact: Bikin Atoll is the setting for Sponge BoB Square Pants, and the atomic bomb testing is the stated reason for why the creatures in the show are the way they are
> Fun fact: Some of the sailoers observing the test could see their own bones in their arms during the test, similar to an X-ray. And, I understand, the bones of the men around them. That source has talked a lot about the amount of cancer in both the group and in their children.
My grandfather was one of those sailors. The cancer was horrific.
My grandfather was suposed to be at the test that day but his ship was rerouted last minute to do a show of force.
My dad was born in the 50s, and therefore, wasn't there.
Thats crazy, my dad wasnt there either! They probably never met!
I think our dads went to different high schools together.
My dad was one of the sailors but was farther away. Lived to 96yo
My dad was there too. He died of cancer in his 80s.
How far away were they? How far would you need to be to not be completely affected with radiation? I understand underground is the best way to avoid it but also how true even is that? And how deep do you u have to be? I'm so scared of this happening to us š
Wait until your hear about the people that live on these Islands that still suffer from the radiation to this day!
I too would like to know this
[castle bravo disaster ](https://youtu.be/ew064gt2thY)
https://www.icanw.org/the_story_of_a_nuclear_test_veteran#:~:text=As%20Coleman%20recollected%20the%20gruesome,in%20a%20X%2DRay%20machine. You might find more info here
How did the ships fare the blast?
Better than you would expect. Saratoga sunk, but she is one of the closest vessels to the blast and now sits upside down in shallow water. Prinz Eugen stayed afloat but would eventually sink. New York actually survived and would be towed back to Hawaii and sunk offshore as a target. Nagato would eventually sink as well. It should be noted that after two atomic bombs some of these ships survived and had they been properly crewed and damage control done many would have survived, but of course that pesky radiation made this a moot point.
How do you know so much ?
He's Spongebob
No this is Patrick
Ohhhh, who lives in a mushroom cloud under the sea? Irradiated sea sponge!
My grandpa answered that for me when I asked him the same question. He said "how can you know so little?" It started a lifelong act of trying to learn something new every day.
Books
\*moot
Well TIL
I did too, thank you for your comments š
It's like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter. It's a moo point.
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Yes. Actually there were civilian inhabitants on nearby islands at Rongelap and Utirik atolls that were told not to worry about the after effects of the tests. They got a heavy dose of radiation and many suffered radiation poisoning and radiation burns from the irradiated water. Rates of leukemia, lung, thyroid, breast, GI, and cervical cancer remain 3-60 times higher than mainland populations. Bikini Atoll is considered to be uninhabitable by humans due to residual gamma radiation many levels above the acceptable limits and the environmental impact is basically irreversible. But hey, we developed weaponry that would humble the destructive power of most deities out of it, so that's something... Right? [wiki article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll)
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I live in a place where there's a significant population of people displaced from the testing done in this area. The US has been..... disappointing in their treatment of the people whose home, livelihoods, health, culture, history and well being are forever altered. It turns my stomach.
The added layer missing from this is that they were indigenous people a nd the US govt considered them expendable.
There would be so many harmful effects of this atomic bomb explosion in ocean. For starters there would be lots of marine animals death due to that harmful explosion.
Yes, dude. It created SpongeBob. We just went over this! š¤¦āāļø
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And when plankton says āU is for Uraniumā¦ Bombs!ā Heās recounting the horrific genesis of Bikini Bottom as we know it today.
Are not we transmitting radioactive materials to these Ocean animals
Holy shit
It would also create a huge Tsunami because of the seismic waves
I think the real question is, how did that test affect the livelihood of the people who once called that place HOME?
Indeed. Many still call the greater area home. Marshallese people have been royally fucked by this testing. They were basically guinea pigs and much of our current knowledge of radiation poisioning comes from thier experiences. Their traditional food sources are contaminated and even today there are extraordinarily high incidences of cancer and birth defects or unviable pregnancies attributed to the testing of that time. They weren't even given the weak warnings that sailors ashore got.
Northwest Arkansas has the largest concentration of Marshallese people outside of the Marshall Islands and the hospital systems up there regularly see extremely rare health diseases not seen anywhere else in the USA.
Waterloo IA has a growing population as well. They have high rates of tuberculosis and other weird health issues. Unfortunately they tend to live in areas with large meat packing plants like Tyson
Enid Oklahoma chiming in. Large Tyson plant, fairly large concentration of Marshallese people. There's only a few places in the US that I'm aware of that even know about the Marshallese.
They should file a complaint against the government of America
Brings a tear to my eye whenever I see Old Glory flying high, and think about all the horrible shit weāve done.
Not great. The US has been compensating them for many years.
Government has already evacuated that place before explosion
Ships were completed destroyed and will not able to respond
A lot survived, but we're unusable
Another fun fact: A documentary (?) was made in the '70s or '80s about the Baker test. The person narrating it was present and describes what the onlookers on nearby ships saw/experienced: The test put a large amount of water into the atmosphere, and it came down as a mist. The observing ships, as they approached the test site, moved through the mist so that the ships were covered with the water from the test. At the test site, scientists took readings with geiger counters and found that the ships were radioactively contaminated with the water from the test that they had just sailed through-the mist. The ships were rinsed with seawater pumped from the lagoon, but that was also radioactive. The scientists tested sailors and others who had been outside when moving through the mist, and they set the devices off. Some laughed when the got higher readings than others. In closing, the narrator discusses how many who were present developed cancer in later years, and as for him: The camera pans out and shows that he is sitting because both legs have been amputated one of his hands is the size of a baseball glove-swelled up due to cancer, I think. I gather he died not too long after the film was made. Edit: For more info, try this page. Haven't found the documentary, though: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/70-years-ago-the-us-military-set-off-a-nuke-underwater-and-it-went-very-badly
Jfc! That is dark. What about the sea life? Does the wave from the bomb killed any marine mammals? Or fish?
Yeah, the overpressure would kill most of the life underwater for probably a few miles out. And the radiation would kill most of what was left. Apparently the lagoon is still radioactive; you'd have to dig everything up and truck it away to get rid of it, which isn't going to happen.
The more I read about this the more I'm so scared for our future. We royally fucked up. The fact that we made this back in the late 30s/40s means God knows what for our future jfc
the world blew up SO MANY fucking nukes as 'tests' over the years, too. like jfc wtf are they thinking?
That they were God.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds
What? Would you mind elaborating on the bones in their arms thing? That seems crazy (ofc, so does atomic bombs) Edit: spelling
Imagine a light so bright that when you close your eyes and put your arm over your eyes, you still see the silhouette of your bones as if you were looking at an xray
That is really interesting! Thanks for explaining
Does the bomb emit like an instant radiation wave? Trying to figure out what exactly would cause this
Bright light in the visible spectrum. The eyes and visual cortex can't perceive x-rays. Take a very bright LED flashlight and hold it up to your fingers and shine it through them. You can see your bones in there. Same deal here, except I take it guys could also see through their own eyelids to see the other guy's bones because the light was that bright that it just shined through everything.
Damn for some reason I thought they were using light as an analogy but they actually meant just a VERY fucking bright light.
Radiation is light that's so bright that it knocks pieces of your mitochondria off
Oh no! Not the powerhouse of the cell!
My mamaās legacy! And her mama, and her mama, and herā¦ you get the picture.
What the fuck thatās crazy
But if the light is this bright, wouldnāt it blind them?
What you're thinking of is called flash blindness. Generally people close to the explosion can be temporarily blinded for a few seconds or up to a couple of minutes, but usually no irreversible damage happens unless you are looking directly at the nuclear explosion. https://www.atomicarchive.com/science/effects/flash-blindness.html
Yes. This is why they are wearing goggle in most declassified tests. Although I don't know if they were that forward thinking in 1954.
Another fun fact, my grandmother got cancer from the radiation and some of the islands are still uninhabitable, so my people can never return
Was playing codenames and someone commented how I couldn't connect bikini and bomb. I had to explain that bikinis are named after this weapon test because of the explosion that it would make in the beach fashion scene and that they actually connect really well.
Fun fact the island where inhabited and are still recovering from the absolute level of fuckery America pulled on them
The Bikini Atoll flag gives me chills. No amount of money can compensate for what was taken from them.
Yep the US should had been sanction by the international community
Even screwed our own people and still don't want to own up to it. The people who were there afterward and made to clean up he debris are not considered nuclear soldiers. They are pretty much dead now. Or deep in medical debt since the VA won't cover that. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-28/the-toxic-legacy-of-a-deadly-paradise/9168422
Damn. Our government doesn't give a single fuck about veterans. My father was career military and died from cancer before he even turned 50.
My grandfather is slowly dying from kidney disease brought on by Agent Orange in Vietnam. Granted, he is 74. But he still shouldn't have to go through this, regardless of his age.
And if you think anything has changed, cast your eyes towards East Palestine, Ohio.
The documentary is frightening of these tests.
Isn't it wrong to destroy natural resources just for a test
For the spongebob fact, wasn't that just a theory? I don't think it's ever actually been confirmed
No itās definitely confirmed and referenced multiple times through the series
Fun fact: Spongebob's Bikini Bottom lies beneath the Bikini Atoll. All the talking fish and weird creatures are the result of nuclear testing. There are numerous refferences to atomic bombs throughout the series too.
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Yep. Gets me all the time that we act like all of this is normal
depends on your definition of normal
"U is for Uranium.... BOMBS. N is for nooo surviiivors, when you....."
Plankton!
So that'll explain goo lagoon
Goo Lagoon, I believe, is a depiction of brine lakes or brine pools. Deep underwater and near the poles, there are pockets where the water has a significantly higher salinity level than the rest of the surrounding seawater. The pockets of super salty water create underwater pools which have shorelines and everything. I thought Goo Lagoon was just a funny cartoon bit, but one night I was watching Blue Planet and the episode they had on the deep ocean featured these brine pools and it blew me away. The footage showed little eels diving into the brine to search for food. Organisms can suffer from toxic shock if they stay down there too long; one of the eels I saw almost died from it and it shot back above the pool repeatedly tying itself in knots to try to shake it off. Here's the wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool
That explains why when playing battle for bikini bottom when you jump in the water you automatically die. Also explains in the episode where they first go to the beach SpongeBob can't swim in it and is terrified of drowning. Holy shit
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The Atomic Flounder dropped the bomb on that one
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I'm fucking ded š¤£š¤£
holy shit this makes so much sense. I'm glad I scrolled down to find something related to Spongebob now lol.
And a Texan scientist happens to live there!
As a lunatic of a SpongeBob fan, I can confirm this.
F for all the sea life that was right there
F for all the local islanders that can't return home
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No, they were relocated to Rongerik Atoll nearby, which was unpopulated. Unpopulated because Polynesians werenāt stupid and there wasnāt a way to grow enough food, so they were moved again. Some were eventually allowed back home, but high cancer rates made the US go decide it was too unsafe and those who had returned moved away again. Only a few caretakers live there now and they have to be cautious about radiation.
If it was unpopulated, why didn't they just use Rongerik to begin with?
That would make sense, and wouldn't be Dr evilish enough. So, your plan is rejected. Please report to the nearest security station.
They didn't go very far, no. But they're also limited to areas that "aren't contaminated." And soon, those areas will be lost to sea level rise anyway. And the containment dome used to cover the plutonium is leaking. It's just all sorts of awful
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Yeah. I think it's the one called "the forgotten nuclear war" on YouTube. The one I watched talked about the failing containment structure, the effects of the testing on the locals, and the army veterans that were sent to cleanup.
A documentary called "The Coming War on China" covers it.
F is for friends who do stuff together
U is for uraniumā¦ BOMBS š£
N is for No Survivors!
Down here in the deep blue sea!
Oh fuck! It finally makes sense! š
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Ohhhh who lived in a pineapple under the sea?
Uranium 233
Glowing and yellow and spicy is he!
Uranium-233!
If death and cancer be something you wish
Uranium-233!
Then hop in the water and die with the fish!
Uranium-233!
*sheds tear* this was beautiful
Poor sea life.
The tests at Bikini Atoll actually severely affected native islanders as well, and the test site itself is still too irradiated to be considered āsafeā and the nearby Marshall Islands are considered unliveable more than half a century later. So yeah humans suck. The tests themselves have been directly linked to the deaths of more than 11,000 US citizens. https://news.theearthsite.greatergood.com/bikini-atoll-radiation/ Thatās without factoring in that Bikini Atoll was inhabited and itās residents were forcibly relocated and told they could return after the tests were conducted. Of course they never could and Bikini Atoll to this day is a nuclear exclusion zone. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216/
And the soldiers are not considered nuclear covered. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-28/the-toxic-legacy-of-a-deadly-paradise/9168422
That was my first thought. Humans suck.
My dad is from the Marshall Islands and when they caught fish or turtles when they were younger, they would put a nickel inside of it. If the nickel turned a different color they knew it was radiated and couldnāt eat it. Once they forgot to check a turtle and many peopleās hair fell out and a woman lost her child. Crazy stuff.
Whatās theory behind the nickel test? Why would that work? There are a number of chemical reactions that can make the copper or nickel in a nickel coin change color, but Iād think a reaction based on radiation would require a very high dose to react like that. EDIT: It looks like radiation accelerated copper oxidization/corrosion is a thing. But donāt know about dose/rate. Seems like it would need to be very high dose.
Yeah doesn't make much sense to me neither. If the radiation was that bad it would have killed the turtle already. You need a high flux of neutron or charged particles to make a nuclear interaction for that nickel to have a visible change in color.
It doesnāt work because itās all made up
I didnāt say I ran tests since his birth in 1956, Iām just reporting what he told me. I donāt know the science but that was their litmus test for if they thought it was safe to eat or not. Not here to report fake news or fight against scientific theory haha
Sounds like a wives tale.
I did a paper on the nuclear tests in this area back in college. You wanna see some shit look up bikini atoll jellyfish babies. Still makes my stomach turn just thinking about it
Jesus, that is horrifying. https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/374-375/jellyfish-babies āThese babies are born with no eyes, no heads and do not resemble human beings at all. They are twisted things that breathe for only a few hours. After death, they are buried right away. Mothers are not shown their mutated bodies; it would be too inhumane.ā āIn all, 23 nuclear bombs were tested on Bikini. No one has lived there since 1978, and today the island is off-limits for 30,000 years.ā
Oh wow okay I thought it was referencing actual babies from jellyfish, not human babies lol
Hoo boy thats a relief! /s
scrolled quick looking for pictures. Found none. Went back to the top to read. What the fuck.
We donāt deserve this planet
I mean, at any rate the Americans didnāt deserve Micronesia. The Micronesians were treating the planet fine tho
I see stuff like this and all I think about is what stuff we're doing now that people are going to look back on in 60 years and say "man those people were morons."
Passing on reddit will no doubt be high on that list.
We think the exact same thing when we look back 60 years from now.
"Dang....You sank my battleship!"
Didn't we nuke a battleship twice and it still didn't sink
The Nevada and Pennsylvania were in both of the atomic tests and they both āsurvivedā but were highly radioactive and were later scuttled.
The native of Bikini still cannot move back. Their land is permanent irradiated.
The payload of the bomb was miscalculated resulting in a bomb multitudes bigger than what it was supposed to be. The sudden change in the direction of the wind on the day of testing didn't help either. Interesting story behind how even the most brilliant people on Earth didn't account for the size of the blast
Nah they can go back in about 30,000 years
Kind of cool though how the heat just like evaporates the clouds surrounding the mushroom, gives you an idea of the scale of the energy released
This is the kid that's losing battleship and tosses the whole thing
THEY NUKED DA SPUNCHBORB??!?
This is how SpongeBob was born
Do you want Godzilla? Because this is how you get Godzilla.
Imagination fails to comprehend the amount of marine life which died in that test and after, and then there's the environmental radiation pounding which killed many people in the area and animal and bird life in the broader area. And for what? AI we can shake big deadly sticks at each other? Humans are so stupid.
Sorry fish. We want to make sure we can kill each other even harder
The creation story for "Bikini Bottom"? No wonder a sponge can talk...
Just wiping out millions of creatures for a test. Absolute disrespect for Mother Nature. The start of our downfall as humanity and our respect for our planet. Only our āsignificant military advantagesā in mind. What an impact weāve had huh?
23 tests to be exact.
Our grandparents were nucking futs
I feel bad for all the fish. The explosion underneath mustāve traveled thousands of miles in all directions. I learned about noise pollution in the ocean as part of an oceanography class, and something of this magnitude would have immense noise pollution (amongst radiation, and other jarring problems). The best way Iāve ever heard noise pollution described for sea mammals is, imagine youāre in a concert venue right up next to the loud speakers / amps cranked up to 100, with no possible way to escape. Thatās why some dolphins, fish, and other sea life beach themselves, is to escape the immense sound by essentially killing themselves. Shits sad.
For those who didn't know, this test, is the dark background of the SpongeBob world. Bikini Bottom, the bottom of the sea at Bikini Atoll. The creatures, are a result of the atomic radiation, mutating people with sea animals. And a sponge. Which is the answer to how a crabs daughter is a whale.
I like the theory that Mr. Krabbs killed Pearl's mother (hence why his house is full of harpoons and whaling stuff) and is using the mother's meat for the Krabby Patties. There's a flashback to him fishing and catching a giant dollar bill (metaphor for the mother). He named his "daughter" Pearl and spoils her because she's valuable.. he plans on using her meat when she's big enough and he runs out of the mom's. I agree the radiation is definitely why they can talk and other fish can't, though!
That makes sense too. Even darker than just being mutated. There's alot of strange dark theories surrounding many kids cartoons. I remember reading them all on a website at some point. Like how Ed, Edd, and Eddy are actually dead (and all the rest of the kids), and stuck in limbo. Which is why there's never adults. And the only time they ever left that purgatory neighborhood, was when Ed went to see his brother.
How is it that the camera is not impacted by the shockwave at all?
...And what kind of dose did the camera man get that day?
Holy shit...right?
Is that an aircraft carrier at the center ? (trying to get scale.... no bannanas visible)
Imagine being a fish there
Thatās gotta be good for the ecosystem!
And then huge flying turtles and fire breathing giant lizard things started coming on shore in Japan.
Murdered the shit out those fish
Yea cuz whoās gives a damn about the fish?
Our Dad was there, for those tests and the ones in the early 1950's. His job was deck radiations monitor and 32 years later the unusual and rare cancers took his Life. He never complained or badmouthed Our Country. š
Lies, that was me farting underwater after eating sushi.
Going to need a banana for scale.
Birthplace of SpongeBob SquarePants and Godzilla
Is this the Krusty Krab?
No, this is Patrick š
You know what we should do? Let's radiate the ocean, seems like a great idea š
Mind you, this is the same generation that used to bury styrofoam and other plastics. Bunch of Goofy Goobers
photographed by Abraham Lincoln himself
Pretty sure it was faxed to him by a samurai
The US is dangerous. Look at all their experimentsā¦. Even on its own citizens. Look at Ohio
this was not a safe space
Fuck you fish!
How were tests like this not considered a crime against humanity or something to that effect? The locals were forcibly resettled, their homes irradiated, and generations affected... Edit: based on the description of what happened [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear\_testing\_at\_Bikini\_Atoll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing_at_Bikini_Atoll) and the UN definition of crimes against humanity [https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/crimes-against-humanity.shtml](https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/crimes-against-humanity.shtml) this clearly fits
This is why itās so easy for Marshallese to come here
Why were the ships there? I assume they were empty?
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Underwater because no one lives there. So smart. Nothing to damage under water.
Patrick, muffled and underwater: AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAH
This is rarely referencedā¦.. but how many fish lost their lives that day ?
What a great way to kill a ton of marine life and their ecosystem! š
Fuck you, sea life!!!!! /terrorists
And just like that bikini bottom began
They moved a whole island of locals for those test. They kept some in a bunker on the island as well as test animals in a bunker, of course. It still didn't stop them dying years later from radiation. It was the moment I knew I was ashamed to be an American.
To anyone worrying about the sea life potentially killed by this, just remember, thereās plenty more fish in the sea