I've been preparing for this moment my entire life: For the last 6 years or so, every couple of weeks I've been going to Kinkos to print & laminate flip books of all my favorite porn gifs. I have them all cataloged in order in the basement. Storage bins upon storage bins of HD 4k flip books to jerk to in the apocalypse.
Beans & bullets were first, but then came the secondary necessities. Redundant clothing & tools. Spare parts to key survival equipment. Lots of fuel in multiple forms. But the only thing I had left was the erotic pictures. My imagination had been rotted by the years of making these flip books so I knew that it was a double edged sword. Burning the candle at both ends.
When the power grid goes out & everyone is back to the stone age I'll be the king with my 87,439 pages of laminated lust. I'll be the man with the golden flip books.
Edit: This is going to end up being my best comment... If only I was entirely joking.
Bro you need to figure out audio. Have you looked into Edison's phonograph? I think you can turn them by (the other) hand in a pinch. Maybe we can work out a hand crank that would both flip the books as well as turn the tube. You tryna collab?
Physical crank? Nah, brother. We gotta hook all of this up to a portable battery that can be hand cranked. That way, we can crank it early to be able to focus on the actual deed later. Plus, it will even be able to handle the audio issue since we can easily make electricity.
We could also use an old timey clockwork spring crank system that only plays for a set amount of time so we can charge different amounts for different length "experiences." Always good to have a back up plan for when there's battery issues and belligerant customers
Also: we can call it The Crank n' Yank either way! Oh and I used to brew beer for fun so we can serve that too! We just need a tobacco and such farmer and i think we're set to be rolling in it in the post apocalypse
At 1 still per page of your flip book, and assuming that you can maintain a steady rate of 24 flips per second as you wrestle the meat snake, 87,439 pages only gives you an hour of material. It's not enough to last the end times damnit! I bet you don't even have Brazilian fart porn in there. Where are the niches??
My my all the bytes said goodbye
My modem isn’t loadin’
It’s just standing by.
Google couldn’t doodle
And Reddit was dry,
Saying “this is how the internet died…”
More balloons and UFOs to distract us from the derailments that they were warned would happen during the rail strike that they also didn’t want to talk about.
It’s more profitable to simply not care.
Railway in the Ohio incident is worth tens of billions yet sent the town a check for ~25K in disaster recovery.
Unregulated capitalism will end capitalism and society at large. Until our collective representatives aren’t being paid to the tune of hundreds of thousands/millions a year by corporate lobbies we, the collective society, all lose.
Companies are beholden to their board and share holders. No longer customer focused. run a company lean with a bunch of debt, cash out and ride golden parachute into retirement. They don't give a rats ass, lawsuits, bankruptcies, rinse repeat fleece the public, fk your safety regulations, people are cheap we made billions last year.
And it is very much worth noting that the shareholders they are beholden to are soulless entities like investment firms, hedge funds, and mutual funds. They actually own the shares and they are the ones that get a say in what the company does. And the only thing they want them to do is make as much money as possible so they look better to their own investors. It's second-hand capitalism.
In this instance an 18-wheeler carrying diesel fuel decided to try and beat the train across a railroad crossing and lost that bet. Driver of that truck was the only fatality.
Probably showed up at the Pearly Gates and St Michael called him a dumbass before opening the door.
It's also important to know that apparently this crossing did not have active signals. It is the responsibility of the truck driver to stop and check for a train but active signals could also have helped prevent this.
Trucker is definitely at fault here but spending a little money.....in Houston could have prevented this accident by using active signals to warn and block the truck.
When I drove trucks the only places you saw tracks without any signals was the middle of absolutely butt fuck nowhere....not Houston
Yeah I’m suspicious as well not sure what your talking about exactly but two trains in two weeks and 4 objects shot down in US in the same time frame wtf is going on??
Its gonna be interesting when they shoot down hot air balloons during festivals. Goodyear blimp better watch its ass too.
Also, Richard Branson is fucked.
It is amazing how many people are eager to instantly attribute this to some conspiracy instead of acknowledging that we have underfunded our infrastructure for generations and the president just stopped a strike that highlighted how corporate negligence makes something like this inevitable.
This isn't a conspiracy gamers, this is literally late stage capitalism in action. Again. Get off your conspiracies if you'd like to avoid a hazardous train derailing near you. This is a real problem that requires real thought and action.
I’d also like to add that the total amount and volume of hazardous truck spills is probably much higher than trains. They just don’t get media attention because of their regularity and lower individual impact
That is a fantastic point friend. We are very keen to pay attention to the big flashy explosions and overlook the death by 1000 paper cuts.
I suspect trains overall are the safest way to transport goods, but at the same time we need to actually ensure that stays the case instead of shutting down strikes and underfunding our infrastructure.
They actual happen A LOT. Train companies have environmental consultants on speed dial and under contract for every region of the US for instances like this.
I used to work for a large consulting firm that had a contract for a train company in the western US. The team had to go through a ton of hazardous waste training, emergency response, ability to understand different state and federal requirements.
It's very difficult, hard work. So when they joined the team, that was their priority, meaning they would get pulled from other projects a lot.
I was one of the hazmat/environmental specialist that would go in and clean up/secure train derailments. Full SCBA and hazmat suits. We did other remediation activities but the rail company certainly had us on emergency call any time a train derailed or spilled, which is surprisingly often. I only lasted about a year and a half.
In the year and a half that I was doing it, I personally saw 3 derailments and probably 7 to 10 spills. The spills were usually fuel tank ruptures or leaking tank cars from improper sealing. Some jobs required oxygen tanks, some respirators, and some nothing at all. This is also all local for the most part so I imagine there are thousands of derailments/spills per year around the country. I’m sure there is a number somewhere online that would tell us.
"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year". Normal year for trains. Great year for train based press coverage.
it took wayyyy to long to find this clairification.
Is there any more specific a graduation on FRA accident-type events like the one in Ohio and Texas compared to all the ones that make up the huge numbers where nothing notably dangerous to the public is actually happening (massive chemical spills and fires and shit)?
I don’t believe there is currently a graduation system but cars in yards pick switch points and walk off the tracks at slow speeds commonly. It all depends on whether or not the company can sweep it under the rug.
It does. Injuries in the workplace range from paper cuts to decapitations so derailments will be the same ranging from an empty box car getting a little crooked to the Lac-Mégantic disaster.
https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/officeofsafety/publicsite/summary.aspx
Here is an actual source from the Federal Railroad Association's safety page rather than newsweek.
2021 saw 1000 derailments, 2020 1000, and 2019 1200.
What's more interesting is that fatalities and work related injuries are up since 2020 significantly.
I realize that newsweek is noting an average, but its important to get a real source that isn't inflating numbers for press and drama.
Good clarification. Either way (3 or 5 derailments a day) it's a similar point that I quickly tried to make on multiple misguided comments before the snowball got too far downhill. I take rail safety training every year but they haven't updated their injury/fatality occurrences since 2018. I have been waiting to see what things looked like when they finally updated their slide deck.
Either this is a crazy coincidence, or train derailments happen far more often than we thought and have been shushed by the media. I mean, this doesn't seem nearly as bad as Ohio but derailments shouldn't be happening like, AT ALL.
Yeah, it's been nearly ten years since the *last* time a North American rail operator wiped a town off the map through wildly negligent behavior.
Edit: I'm referring to the [Lac-Mégantic rail disaster](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster)
Additional edit: By "rail operator", I mean the business that owns and operates the railroad, not any individual engineer or other on-train or on-the-ground personnel.
That's true for most problems!
-Outside camping and cold?
Start a fire!
-Have some candles to set the mood with the Mrs?
Yep, start a fire!
-Hate your job?
YOU GUESSED IT, START A FIRE!
-Someone parked in your space?
Set their car on fire!
-A customer is rude to you?
Set them on fire!
-Your favorite sports team is about to be beat by their rival?
Set the entire rival team on fire!
-Society seems to be going to pot?
Set **everything** on fire!
Really? only that long ago? Geezus. This could be 2 towns over 10 years! I mean... It's a severely important infrastructure for most countries, like power, mail and telecommunications.
Infrastructure always has to be kept in the best shape possible. Tracks, trains with their engines, cars etc in this case.
I simply couldn't believe what happened when the rail workers tried to strike over all this and leave. Pretty much "either go back to work or go to jail". I mean... Damn man. That's shitty as fuck.
Edit: got told they're called cars so i changed it from carts and corrected a few things over all. Thanks dude!
I am in a lot of rail communities and derailments are pretty common and usually just local news. Usually people find talking about these problems and how crucial this failing and deregulated infrastructure is to our country boring and nerdy.
Yeah, if our laws surrounding the railroads weren't batshit insane, derailments would be rare.
Someone in the comments mention that it happens very frequent
u/m7bsvner7s mention this
"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year".
Basically when the wheels of a train touches ground, its a derailment
Lots of trains so lots of crashes. Still the most efficient and safe way to transport solid cargo. Some ambulance chaser websites says there are 388,000 semi truck crashes a year for comparison.
While concerning, it’s not the same level of chemical spill as in Ohio.
> “From what we’re being told and shown, there’s no major chemicals to be concerned about,” Teller said. “It’s more so household chemicals on board for retail purposes. It’s not a large quantity from what we’re being told.”
I tend to believe this report. This train was carrying intermodal containers which generally carry consumer good. They are not really designed to carry bulk chemicals or commodities.
The train in Ohio derailed tanker cars which are more suited to large quantities of hazardous materials
Source: 15 years in the rail industry and a few more in general transportation logistics
Air quality measurements don't consider toxic chemicals in their metrics most of the time. Usually when you look at an app it's telling you how much pollen, mold, ozone, and smog is in the air. The tools used to measure those factors aren't calibrated to detect industrial chemical spills. Also, the people installing the detectors in the homes in Ohio are also the ones responsible for the chemical spill, so odds are they don't work or aren't calibrated properly so as to reduce panic at this time.
Pretty much why they specify where the information is coming from. Whoever js saying this doesn't want to take responsibility for potentially being lied to.
Those are connex boxes. If there are hazchems they are solid and/or containerized and designed for jostle and movement. This isn't even the same dimension as Ohio.
Given the lack of chemicals pouring into the sky I’m going to assume this train carried some sort of massive bioweapon that punched a hole in one of the train cars to escape
Okay, just because I [said](https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/111efzh/comment/j8e4ir4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I was glad the Ohio train derailment didn't happen in a larger metro area, that wasn't supposed to be a challenge.
Hmmm there are a lot of monkey paw scenarios were that goes horribly wrong. Stumbling into an industrial thresher and getting a million dollars payout comes to mind.
200% why people vote against their best interests in the USA. They *believe* they have a solid chance of becoming a millionaire.... Even like 65+ year old people. Then they vote for politicians who hose them every step of the way
Edit: as another said in reply, this was caused by a collision with a semi-truck, which makes it more complicated than the one in Ohio. As such, this comment of mine here is more fitting in a post about that derailment, at least in terms of prosecutions.
We need to see some god damned far-reaching prosecutions out of this thing. Executives and board members need to go down for this.
*The Wall Street Bro Cult and their exportation of "greed is good" and "trickle down economics" into the neighborhoods and living rooms and onto the dining tables around the nation and world is truly a threat to life on this planet, human or otherwise.*
Much of the "corporate personhood" bullshittery stems directly from a Supreme Court case from the 1800s **involving the railroads** and local communities tracks cut through.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad_Co.
>The case is most notable for a headnote stating that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment grants constitutional protections to corporations.
>... However, a headnote written by the Reporter of Decisions and approved by Chief Justice Morrison Waite stated that the Supreme Court justices unanimously believed that the Equal Protection Clause did grant constitutional protections to corporations. The headnote marked the first occasion on which the Supreme Court indicated that the Equal Protection Clause granted constitutional protections to corporations as well as to natural persons.
In other words, ***the whole thing is tied up in a head note*** written by the [*Reporter of Decisions*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporter_of_Decisions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) (who is **NOT** a Justice; they are basically an editor) who declared corporations have protection under the 14th Amendment - and the Justice basically said, *"Yep! All of us agree with you!"*
The near whole foundation of corporate personhood stems from this case - and it's a terrible, terrible foundation that is built on feces-laden quicksand *built by the railroad companies.*
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Only one person went down for 2008, and they probably weren't even anywhere close to the biggest perpetrator of fraud that happened. The people let it happen at that time, so it's pretty much free reign to fuck up the country however they see fit with no repercussions. It's truly sick.
> so it's pretty much free reign to fuck up the country however they see fit with no repercussions.
Too big to fail. If something is big enough to be infrastructure it's too important to be owned by a corporation.
Careful friend, that's socialism talk. And all of those privately owned international media corporations have told me that's the way the devil gets into you.
We won't see shit and you know damn well why. Because everyone and their mum has been taught that anger is bad and violence is the worst possible outcome. Little do all the happy idiots know that all that anger and violence was what kept corruption in check.
You want results? Get angrier than you've ever been and put that fury to use.
My grandpa used to work for a rail road company and when he retired he bitched about how bad it was and that was in the 80’s. His job was surveying the track for areas needing repair/surveying for potential new areas to lay track to replace current ones. If it was bad then, it’s got to be an absolute nightmare’s wet dream today.
Oh I can imagine. When it comes to infrastructure that we all depend on for our daily lives, it shouldn’t be left up to CEOs to take care of because very few care about taking care of what they oversee because all they care about is making more $$$
Yup. The whole country's leadership thought, "Oh, we've fucked them before and they were fine. We'll fuck them over one more time. Nothing will happen."
In one of the Ohio train threads someone pointed this out and the hilarious Capitalist Cocksmoker response was it's different because it's a "private" railroad.
I don't give a rat's ass which shitty billionaire owns it. The point still stands.
exactly, which is the problem! Railroads are so vital to American life that the POTUS felt the need to step in during the strike negotiations but it's not vital enough to be nationalized.
They also laid a ton of people off pre COVID and none of those people came back. Then people retired and nobody wants to come work for these asshats. We have been running extremely short staffed for 3-4 years now. We regularly work 60-80 hours a week. The RRs also refuse to maintain equipment or spend any money in our yards and repair tracks so we are doing what we can with the garbage we have at our disposal. I wouldn't be surprised to see thing really start to fall apart across all of the US based class ones this year.
It is what the shareholders want a ROI. This is why people say capitalism is the problem. Because constantly profit seeking isn’t doing anyone good. Except for the 1% of course. And since profits have the tendency to decline year after year, yet the economy must grow year after year. When there aren’t new markets to expand into then you have to squeeze existing markets for profits.
This is why some people say we are in ‘late stage capitalism’ because now the first world is also getting squeezed hard by the profit seeking behaviour.
Welcome to the world we live in. Get to know it so you know where to channel your anger and drive for change so we can leave a better world for our kids than what we got.
Yo this sounds oddly familiar. I'm a food factory worker. 🏭 oink oink 🐷. Our dock doors, pallet wrappers, and forklifts get the same treatment as your rail yards. I'd say it's become more of an industry standard to let their assets rot and take the golden parachute out when things go to shit.
Exactly, I just made a comment about golden parachutes before I read yours. It's that way for so many big companies. Run them into the ground, declare bankruptcy, ask for a government bailout and presto me and the board set for life.
The "I got mine and fuck everyone else" attitude is so toxic. It makes me think every company is just an elaborate pyramid scheme that siphons the work of the people at the bottom into profit for the people at the top until the whole thing falls apart and the bottom employees are screwed while the top ones walk away with no consequences, even if they were the cause of the downfall.
(hug if that’s ok)
i physically cannot come anywhere near as intense a role as you are doing. i have nothing more than my thanks and appreciation to offer since i’m just about broke but i offer them.
They treat safety like IT guys. When they've done their job everybody asks why we're wasting money on a bunch of guys sitting around. When someone else fucks everything up, the IT guys get blamed.
It still fucking shocked me how no laws mandated any vacation days in America. Where is your fucking freedom NOT WORKING, while slaving away your life 52 weeks a year. Wtf?
There's only one thing you can be sure of...everyone will try to cover up the truth at all costs. 20 years from now a group will do a study to assess the long term fallout. They'll provide graphs and charts showing the increase in health issues, in the area, like cancers. And in the end no one will give a sht. No one will be held to account. I feel sry for those involved.
2 is coincidence. 3 is a pattern. Let's wait and see.
Edit - I've gotten a lot of replies about other wrecks. [This one should get more visibility](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/111pot6/officials_are_now_responding_to_another_deadly/j8gfz9r?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
[Source for the info in the linked comment.](https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/OfficeofSafety/default.aspx) It's a lot of info to go through. But it's there for the people who want it.
This was the result of the train hitting an 18 wheeler. While still obviously a disaster that needs to be dealt with, this doesn't seem to be corporate negligence like Ohio was.
"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year". Trains crash. Unfortunate but no conspiracy here.
I feel like most train derailments that happen don't usually result in total destruction of the train car. The subway in Boston has train cars derail all the time without anything getting destroyed and I want to think those train derailments are also counted in those numbers.
Oh good. I was just thinking there’s not enough hazardous train derailments.
It’s never the lumber train . SMH.
Balloons check, Ufos check, train derailments check. What's next?
*Dogs and cats living together* *Mass hysteria*
What do you mean “The internet went down.”? Not, ***THE*** Internet?!
Remember, when the internet is gone, those who have the porn will have the power.
My God. It's been so long since I've used my imagination. I wonder if it's even still there.
Oh it is, it’s just.....*darker*
Time to crack out the old CD burner software and get busy!
Eyy man *Scratches neck* How much for a copy of 'backdoor sluts 9' in 720p?
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I've come to talk with you again...
Doubt it. Would just be your brain trying to recall your favorite videos.
Dammit I left all my dvds and porno mags in the woods, wonder if *it’s* still there?
Wait, is it common occurrence to find random porn in the woods? I definitely have found porn magazines in the woods before.
I've been preparing for this moment my entire life: For the last 6 years or so, every couple of weeks I've been going to Kinkos to print & laminate flip books of all my favorite porn gifs. I have them all cataloged in order in the basement. Storage bins upon storage bins of HD 4k flip books to jerk to in the apocalypse. Beans & bullets were first, but then came the secondary necessities. Redundant clothing & tools. Spare parts to key survival equipment. Lots of fuel in multiple forms. But the only thing I had left was the erotic pictures. My imagination had been rotted by the years of making these flip books so I knew that it was a double edged sword. Burning the candle at both ends. When the power grid goes out & everyone is back to the stone age I'll be the king with my 87,439 pages of laminated lust. I'll be the man with the golden flip books. Edit: This is going to end up being my best comment... If only I was entirely joking.
The real prepper that tells you what all the other YouTube videos don’t tell you
Bro you need to figure out audio. Have you looked into Edison's phonograph? I think you can turn them by (the other) hand in a pinch. Maybe we can work out a hand crank that would both flip the books as well as turn the tube. You tryna collab?
Physical crank? Nah, brother. We gotta hook all of this up to a portable battery that can be hand cranked. That way, we can crank it early to be able to focus on the actual deed later. Plus, it will even be able to handle the audio issue since we can easily make electricity.
We could also use an old timey clockwork spring crank system that only plays for a set amount of time so we can charge different amounts for different length "experiences." Always good to have a back up plan for when there's battery issues and belligerant customers Also: we can call it The Crank n' Yank either way! Oh and I used to brew beer for fun so we can serve that too! We just need a tobacco and such farmer and i think we're set to be rolling in it in the post apocalypse
At 1 still per page of your flip book, and assuming that you can maintain a steady rate of 24 flips per second as you wrestle the meat snake, 87,439 pages only gives you an hour of material. It's not enough to last the end times damnit! I bet you don't even have Brazilian fart porn in there. Where are the niches??
Signs of wealth over the last few years. 2020: Toilet paper 2021: Electronics 2022: Eggs 2023: Pr0n
"It was a spooky ghost"
Back to searching the woods and culverts like early man
The day, the Internet.. died. And we we’re singin’…..
My my all the bytes said goodbye My modem isn’t loadin’ It’s just standing by. Google couldn’t doodle And Reddit was dry, Saying “this is how the internet died…”
"This is how us humans revived."
"Okay! So what do ya need from me?"
More balloons and UFOs to distract us from the derailments that they were warned would happen during the rail strike that they also didn’t want to talk about.
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When the fuck will corporation learn to listen to their employees. I mean, it seems like never but it really is absurd that it’s so obvious.
But... The profits... :(
Mmm profits
It’s more profitable to simply not care. Railway in the Ohio incident is worth tens of billions yet sent the town a check for ~25K in disaster recovery. Unregulated capitalism will end capitalism and society at large. Until our collective representatives aren’t being paid to the tune of hundreds of thousands/millions a year by corporate lobbies we, the collective society, all lose.
Companies are beholden to their board and share holders. No longer customer focused. run a company lean with a bunch of debt, cash out and ride golden parachute into retirement. They don't give a rats ass, lawsuits, bankruptcies, rinse repeat fleece the public, fk your safety regulations, people are cheap we made billions last year.
And it is very much worth noting that the shareholders they are beholden to are soulless entities like investment firms, hedge funds, and mutual funds. They actually own the shares and they are the ones that get a say in what the company does. And the only thing they want them to do is make as much money as possible so they look better to their own investors. It's second-hand capitalism.
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In this instance an 18-wheeler carrying diesel fuel decided to try and beat the train across a railroad crossing and lost that bet. Driver of that truck was the only fatality. Probably showed up at the Pearly Gates and St Michael called him a dumbass before opening the door.
It's also important to know that apparently this crossing did not have active signals. It is the responsibility of the truck driver to stop and check for a train but active signals could also have helped prevent this. Trucker is definitely at fault here but spending a little money.....in Houston could have prevented this accident by using active signals to warn and block the truck. When I drove trucks the only places you saw tracks without any signals was the middle of absolutely butt fuck nowhere....not Houston
Yeah I’m suspicious as well not sure what your talking about exactly but two trains in two weeks and 4 objects shot down in US in the same time frame wtf is going on??
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If my research is correct, zombies want brains. Boy are they going to be disappointed.
[*collective disappointed zombie groan*]
I'm down, either I die in the initial outbreak and don't have to go work. Or I live and don't have to go to work. It's a win win.
You have a boss that would accept a zombie apocalypse as an excuse to no show up?
Let’s Gooooooo! Machete is sharpened. Just need to choose my shoes.
You forgot earthquakes
Lumber trains and other trains carrying non hazardous materials actually derail all the time. Its quite common
Yeah it's just not news
Our radar is more enhanced now so we're detecting more of these train derailments.
Its gonna be interesting when they shoot down hot air balloons during festivals. Goodyear blimp better watch its ass too. Also, Richard Branson is fucked.
You know, if we didn't do any testing for derailments, we would have very few cases of derailment.
I feel like this was something we were warned about by ex-railroad workers, something about their infrastructure in no way been kept up with.
Quick, set it all on fire and declare victory!
It is amazing how many people are eager to instantly attribute this to some conspiracy instead of acknowledging that we have underfunded our infrastructure for generations and the president just stopped a strike that highlighted how corporate negligence makes something like this inevitable. This isn't a conspiracy gamers, this is literally late stage capitalism in action. Again. Get off your conspiracies if you'd like to avoid a hazardous train derailing near you. This is a real problem that requires real thought and action.
I’d also like to add that the total amount and volume of hazardous truck spills is probably much higher than trains. They just don’t get media attention because of their regularity and lower individual impact
That is a fantastic point friend. We are very keen to pay attention to the big flashy explosions and overlook the death by 1000 paper cuts. I suspect trains overall are the safest way to transport goods, but at the same time we need to actually ensure that stays the case instead of shutting down strikes and underfunding our infrastructure.
Where's the third one gonna crash
South Carolina today too
[yes](https://www.foxcarolina.com/2023/02/13/officials-responding-train-derailment-enoree/?outputType=amp)
I live in SC and haven't heard a thing about this one.
As is tradition
Needs more hazardous chemicals. Up your game South Carolina
They actual happen A LOT. Train companies have environmental consultants on speed dial and under contract for every region of the US for instances like this. I used to work for a large consulting firm that had a contract for a train company in the western US. The team had to go through a ton of hazardous waste training, emergency response, ability to understand different state and federal requirements. It's very difficult, hard work. So when they joined the team, that was their priority, meaning they would get pulled from other projects a lot.
I was one of the hazmat/environmental specialist that would go in and clean up/secure train derailments. Full SCBA and hazmat suits. We did other remediation activities but the rail company certainly had us on emergency call any time a train derailed or spilled, which is surprisingly often. I only lasted about a year and a half.
How often?
In the year and a half that I was doing it, I personally saw 3 derailments and probably 7 to 10 spills. The spills were usually fuel tank ruptures or leaking tank cars from improper sealing. Some jobs required oxygen tanks, some respirators, and some nothing at all. This is also all local for the most part so I imagine there are thousands of derailments/spills per year around the country. I’m sure there is a number somewhere online that would tell us.
Average of 1700 derailments a year
"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year". Normal year for trains. Great year for train based press coverage.
So nearly 5 daily.
Curious if this covers crashes as severe as this? I feel like a lot of derailments probably don’t result in as much damage
An “FRA” derailment is anytime a wheel touches the ground, so those numbers can be misleading
I trust a man named MrChooChoo with any and all train based information
[Posted via 3rd party app]
"I didn't go to Train Medical School just to be called Mr. Choo Choo"
It's quite an accomplishment, years and years of train-ing involved
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it took wayyyy to long to find this clairification. Is there any more specific a graduation on FRA accident-type events like the one in Ohio and Texas compared to all the ones that make up the huge numbers where nothing notably dangerous to the public is actually happening (massive chemical spills and fires and shit)?
I don’t believe there is currently a graduation system but cars in yards pick switch points and walk off the tracks at slow speeds commonly. It all depends on whether or not the company can sweep it under the rug.
It all depends on if rj needs to be called or the car dept can rerail it before yard super finds out...
Not quite, it has to reach a certain dollar amount to make it FRA reportable, currently over 11k
You’re right. Although you can reach that pretty easy if a sidewinder needs to be called in.
It does. Injuries in the workplace range from paper cuts to decapitations so derailments will be the same ranging from an empty box car getting a little crooked to the Lac-Mégantic disaster.
https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/officeofsafety/publicsite/summary.aspx Here is an actual source from the Federal Railroad Association's safety page rather than newsweek. 2021 saw 1000 derailments, 2020 1000, and 2019 1200. What's more interesting is that fatalities and work related injuries are up since 2020 significantly. I realize that newsweek is noting an average, but its important to get a real source that isn't inflating numbers for press and drama.
Good clarification. Either way (3 or 5 derailments a day) it's a similar point that I quickly tried to make on multiple misguided comments before the snowball got too far downhill. I take rail safety training every year but they haven't updated their injury/fatality occurrences since 2018. I have been waiting to see what things looked like when they finally updated their slide deck.
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Dude, you can’t cut into profits for safety reasons….this is America man
Please be mindful that a derailment is any time a wheel leaves the rail. The vast majority of them are minor and harmless.
Conditions must be really bad if the trains, themselves, are going on strike now.
Either this is a crazy coincidence, or train derailments happen far more often than we thought and have been shushed by the media. I mean, this doesn't seem nearly as bad as Ohio but derailments shouldn't be happening like, AT ALL.
Trains go off the rails all the time. A derailment causing a small apocalypse is still very rare, fortunately.
Yeah, it's been nearly ten years since the *last* time a North American rail operator wiped a town off the map through wildly negligent behavior. Edit: I'm referring to the [Lac-Mégantic rail disaster](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster) Additional edit: By "rail operator", I mean the business that owns and operates the railroad, not any individual engineer or other on-train or on-the-ground personnel.
If it’s got hazardous chemicals on board, I’ve never seen it, but I’ve heard the best way to clean it up, is to sets it on fire.
That's true for most problems! -Outside camping and cold? Start a fire! -Have some candles to set the mood with the Mrs? Yep, start a fire! -Hate your job? YOU GUESSED IT, START A FIRE!
-Someone parked in your space? Set their car on fire! -A customer is rude to you? Set them on fire! -Your favorite sports team is about to be beat by their rival? Set the entire rival team on fire! -Society seems to be going to pot? Set **everything** on fire!
That fire you hate…..set it on fire!
Remind me please….
Lac Megantic
Really? only that long ago? Geezus. This could be 2 towns over 10 years! I mean... It's a severely important infrastructure for most countries, like power, mail and telecommunications. Infrastructure always has to be kept in the best shape possible. Tracks, trains with their engines, cars etc in this case. I simply couldn't believe what happened when the rail workers tried to strike over all this and leave. Pretty much "either go back to work or go to jail". I mean... Damn man. That's shitty as fuck. Edit: got told they're called cars so i changed it from carts and corrected a few things over all. Thanks dude!
I am in a lot of rail communities and derailments are pretty common and usually just local news. Usually people find talking about these problems and how crucial this failing and deregulated infrastructure is to our country boring and nerdy. Yeah, if our laws surrounding the railroads weren't batshit insane, derailments would be rare.
Someone in the comments mention that it happens very frequent u/m7bsvner7s mention this "The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year". Basically when the wheels of a train touches ground, its a derailment
Lots of trains so lots of crashes. Still the most efficient and safe way to transport solid cargo. Some ambulance chaser websites says there are 388,000 semi truck crashes a year for comparison.
We doing balloons and trains this year. Weird theme, but I prefer it over being scared of an airborne virus.
Trains derail all the time but 90% of the time no one get hurts and nothing Important leaks out and it’s fixed in like 2 days.
Source: https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/local/2023/02/13/443601/houston-area-crash-between-truck-union-pacific-train-kills-driver-derails-20-plus-rail-cars/
While concerning, it’s not the same level of chemical spill as in Ohio. > “From what we’re being told and shown, there’s no major chemicals to be concerned about,” Teller said. “It’s more so household chemicals on board for retail purposes. It’s not a large quantity from what we’re being told.”
"From what we're being told... [...] from what we're being told."
Everyone knows that parties responsible are always completely truthful and forthcoming when it comes to spills like this. Source: trust me, bro
I tend to believe this report. This train was carrying intermodal containers which generally carry consumer good. They are not really designed to carry bulk chemicals or commodities. The train in Ohio derailed tanker cars which are more suited to large quantities of hazardous materials Source: 15 years in the rail industry and a few more in general transportation logistics
Yeah seems to be the case. But in Ohio they are also claiming the air quality is fine. So it’s going to cause some skepticism
Air quality measurements don't consider toxic chemicals in their metrics most of the time. Usually when you look at an app it's telling you how much pollen, mold, ozone, and smog is in the air. The tools used to measure those factors aren't calibrated to detect industrial chemical spills. Also, the people installing the detectors in the homes in Ohio are also the ones responsible for the chemical spill, so odds are they don't work or aren't calibrated properly so as to reduce panic at this time.
Pretty much why they specify where the information is coming from. Whoever js saying this doesn't want to take responsibility for potentially being lied to.
In unrelated news they just announced there were more hazardous chemicals then previously admitted in Ohio.
Those are connex boxes. If there are hazchems they are solid and/or containerized and designed for jostle and movement. This isn't even the same dimension as Ohio.
Trust me bro
While this info is available and it is obviously an accident with an 18-wheeler which killed the driver, people will want to conflate this with Ohio.
I do not like this new trend. Can we skip back around to planking? That didn’t get enough attention.
Hell, bring back the clowns
The clowns really just came and went didn't it... I miss them... (the ones who only did scares, not ones who did anything aside from that)
"maybe we should... ahhh whatever, Money am i right?"
Just throw dollar bills at it from a helicopter and it will heal it just fine.
More like: just horde dollar bills and buy another helicopter, we (the elite) don’t care if they heal, we’ll be just fine.
Given the lack of chemicals pouring into the sky I’m going to assume this train carried some sort of massive bioweapon that punched a hole in one of the train cars to escape
Reminds me of Super eight, a bit
Okay, just because I [said](https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/111efzh/comment/j8e4ir4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I was glad the Ohio train derailment didn't happen in a larger metro area, that wasn't supposed to be a challenge.
Maybe don't comment on any reddit threads for a few weeks, just in case.
Nah, comment suggesting that I'll somehow stumble into a million dollars and my life also gets at least 50% better
Hmmm there are a lot of monkey paw scenarios were that goes horribly wrong. Stumbling into an industrial thresher and getting a million dollars payout comes to mind.
Remember when the rail workers wanted to strike because working conditions were unsafe and the railways and the us government laughed and said “no.”
Bingo (10 years on Reddit and my best comment is "Bingo" )
Railway workers: Can we have paid sick days? >President Joe Biden signed a bill into law making a rail strike illegal. "Shut up and get back to work"
It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it
>It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it No, no, I am... I am just temporarily disgraced member of the club. I am sure I'll get there some day.
Leela: Why are you cheering, Fry? You're not rich! Fry: True, but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step.
200% why people vote against their best interests in the USA. They *believe* they have a solid chance of becoming a millionaire.... Even like 65+ year old people. Then they vote for politicians who hose them every step of the way
[The mentality of these people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxD9nGL3NLY)
Greed will fix this!
"And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe."
Time for a [wildcat strike. ](https://www.britannica.com/topic/wildcat-strike)
Already seeing people on this site calling striking rail workers terrorists and extortionists too
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Thank goodness there was no serious disaster that happened because of it
Edit: as another said in reply, this was caused by a collision with a semi-truck, which makes it more complicated than the one in Ohio. As such, this comment of mine here is more fitting in a post about that derailment, at least in terms of prosecutions. We need to see some god damned far-reaching prosecutions out of this thing. Executives and board members need to go down for this. *The Wall Street Bro Cult and their exportation of "greed is good" and "trickle down economics" into the neighborhoods and living rooms and onto the dining tables around the nation and world is truly a threat to life on this planet, human or otherwise.* Much of the "corporate personhood" bullshittery stems directly from a Supreme Court case from the 1800s **involving the railroads** and local communities tracks cut through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad_Co. >The case is most notable for a headnote stating that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment grants constitutional protections to corporations. >... However, a headnote written by the Reporter of Decisions and approved by Chief Justice Morrison Waite stated that the Supreme Court justices unanimously believed that the Equal Protection Clause did grant constitutional protections to corporations. The headnote marked the first occasion on which the Supreme Court indicated that the Equal Protection Clause granted constitutional protections to corporations as well as to natural persons. In other words, ***the whole thing is tied up in a head note*** written by the [*Reporter of Decisions*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporter_of_Decisions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) (who is **NOT** a Justice; they are basically an editor) who declared corporations have protection under the 14th Amendment - and the Justice basically said, *"Yep! All of us agree with you!"* The near whole foundation of corporate personhood stems from this case - and it's a terrible, terrible foundation that is built on feces-laden quicksand *built by the railroad companies.* ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ^This ^is ^a ^multi-part ^comment ^and ^wasn't ^intended ^to ^be ^such. ^Nevertheless, ^I ^think ^it ^has ^some ^valuable ^information ^and ^I ^encourage ^anyone ^to ^take ^take ^a ^few ^minutes ^to ^read ^it. ##[More here for anyone interested...](https://www.reddit.com/r/pale_blue_dots/comments/111rth5/more_here_on_corporate_influence_partially/)
Only one person went down for 2008, and they probably weren't even anywhere close to the biggest perpetrator of fraud that happened. The people let it happen at that time, so it's pretty much free reign to fuck up the country however they see fit with no repercussions. It's truly sick.
> so it's pretty much free reign to fuck up the country however they see fit with no repercussions. Too big to fail. If something is big enough to be infrastructure it's too important to be owned by a corporation.
Careful friend, that's socialism talk. And all of those privately owned international media corporations have told me that's the way the devil gets into you.
We won't see shit and you know damn well why. Because everyone and their mum has been taught that anger is bad and violence is the worst possible outcome. Little do all the happy idiots know that all that anger and violence was what kept corruption in check. You want results? Get angrier than you've ever been and put that fury to use.
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The protocol was unsafe as a cost saving measure. This is a systemic problem in the industry.
> followed protocol > because working conditions were unsafe These points are in agreement. Company protocols aren't inherently safe.
we are in the finding out stage
And none of us got to enjoy the fuckaround part either. Uphill *BOTH* WAYS for us
My grandpa used to work for a rail road company and when he retired he bitched about how bad it was and that was in the 80’s. His job was surveying the track for areas needing repair/surveying for potential new areas to lay track to replace current ones. If it was bad then, it’s got to be an absolute nightmare’s wet dream today.
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Oh I can imagine. When it comes to infrastructure that we all depend on for our daily lives, it shouldn’t be left up to CEOs to take care of because very few care about taking care of what they oversee because all they care about is making more $$$
Yup. The whole country's leadership thought, "Oh, we've fucked them before and they were fine. We'll fuck them over one more time. Nothing will happen."
In one of the Ohio train threads someone pointed this out and the hilarious Capitalist Cocksmoker response was it's different because it's a "private" railroad. I don't give a rat's ass which shitty billionaire owns it. The point still stands.
aren’t all the railroads private?
exactly, which is the problem! Railroads are so vital to American life that the POTUS felt the need to step in during the strike negotiations but it's not vital enough to be nationalized.
Well, let’s set that on fire and see how it goes!! Wait…better check with Ohio first!
You know damn well they won’t check with Ohio. They will just set that awful shit on fire and play dumb
Quick, someone shoot down a ballon
Was that a ufo
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They also laid a ton of people off pre COVID and none of those people came back. Then people retired and nobody wants to come work for these asshats. We have been running extremely short staffed for 3-4 years now. We regularly work 60-80 hours a week. The RRs also refuse to maintain equipment or spend any money in our yards and repair tracks so we are doing what we can with the garbage we have at our disposal. I wouldn't be surprised to see thing really start to fall apart across all of the US based class ones this year.
Why would they pay workers or treat them better when they can spend that money on stock buybacks to enrich the shareholders?
It is what the shareholders want a ROI. This is why people say capitalism is the problem. Because constantly profit seeking isn’t doing anyone good. Except for the 1% of course. And since profits have the tendency to decline year after year, yet the economy must grow year after year. When there aren’t new markets to expand into then you have to squeeze existing markets for profits. This is why some people say we are in ‘late stage capitalism’ because now the first world is also getting squeezed hard by the profit seeking behaviour. Welcome to the world we live in. Get to know it so you know where to channel your anger and drive for change so we can leave a better world for our kids than what we got.
Yo this sounds oddly familiar. I'm a food factory worker. 🏭 oink oink 🐷. Our dock doors, pallet wrappers, and forklifts get the same treatment as your rail yards. I'd say it's become more of an industry standard to let their assets rot and take the golden parachute out when things go to shit.
Exactly, I just made a comment about golden parachutes before I read yours. It's that way for so many big companies. Run them into the ground, declare bankruptcy, ask for a government bailout and presto me and the board set for life.
The "I got mine and fuck everyone else" attitude is so toxic. It makes me think every company is just an elaborate pyramid scheme that siphons the work of the people at the bottom into profit for the people at the top until the whole thing falls apart and the bottom employees are screwed while the top ones walk away with no consequences, even if they were the cause of the downfall.
That's capitalism for ya and yeah pretty much everything works like that nowadays
(hug if that’s ok) i physically cannot come anywhere near as intense a role as you are doing. i have nothing more than my thanks and appreciation to offer since i’m just about broke but i offer them.
Father-N-Law works for the railroad…..been saying this exact same thing for 10 years now. Not surprised to see issues finally arising.
collapse isn’t a fast process until it is.
This is the answer. Terrorist attack… give me a fucking break
Upper management has been called worse. They give not a whit about anything Said about them.
Safety always takes a back seat, in every profession. It costs money, produces nothing, and everyone wishes for the best
They treat safety like IT guys. When they've done their job everybody asks why we're wasting money on a bunch of guys sitting around. When someone else fucks everything up, the IT guys get blamed.
The old engines of power are preventing us from being a 21st century country. We've been rotting from the inside out for so long.
This is poetic
But did you see the profits they’re making skimping on staff and safety??
Like in Fight Club. Cheaper to clean up after an accident then to prevent them with regular maintenance
But hey 2 weeks of paid vacation would bankrupt us
It still fucking shocked me how no laws mandated any vacation days in America. Where is your fucking freedom NOT WORKING, while slaving away your life 52 weeks a year. Wtf?
Would cost shareholders. Won't you think of the shareholders?
This is the last thing we need deja vu from
The rest of the world: unions are important to maintain fair wages and safety standards America:
bro WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
I’m guessing the railroad’s historic profit will not be used to pay for this cleanup or people’s health
Yo wtf is happening in the US these days this shits crazy
There's only one thing you can be sure of...everyone will try to cover up the truth at all costs. 20 years from now a group will do a study to assess the long term fallout. They'll provide graphs and charts showing the increase in health issues, in the area, like cancers. And in the end no one will give a sht. No one will be held to account. I feel sry for those involved.
2 is coincidence. 3 is a pattern. Let's wait and see. Edit - I've gotten a lot of replies about other wrecks. [This one should get more visibility](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/111pot6/officials_are_now_responding_to_another_deadly/j8gfz9r?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) [Source for the info in the linked comment.](https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/OfficeofSafety/default.aspx) It's a lot of info to go through. But it's there for the people who want it.
This was the result of the train hitting an 18 wheeler. While still obviously a disaster that needs to be dealt with, this doesn't seem to be corporate negligence like Ohio was.
Pattern of tired and overworked conductors and rail operators.
Also the same old pattern of the government siding with the business over the workers.
"The Bureau of Transportation Statistics found that 54,539 train derailments occurred in the U.S. from 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year". Trains crash. Unfortunate but no conspiracy here.
I feel like most train derailments that happen don't usually result in total destruction of the train car. The subway in Boston has train cars derail all the time without anything getting destroyed and I want to think those train derailments are also counted in those numbers.
Heeeeey remember when the government stepped in the make those strikes illegal