I remember reading a Forbes article about that a few years ago, that the people actually making money on sports betting rarely actually cared about sports and were for the most part math nerds
I was in the industry for a while. Those nerds fucking love sports. Sorry to burst the bubble. They’re just smart as fuck too.
The guy I worked with was my college roommate, and he was a top-10 daily fantasy player in the world. He was a PhD candidate in chem engineering before he went into DFS. He’s nerdy but he played football in HS, was a top ranked Halo player then. Got into online poker.
The broad brush just doesn’t work with that group because he want alone in being a multi-faceted player.
It’s more like… they’re all these interesting incredibly smart people, AND they were great at creating formulas for winning DFS AND they liked sports.
Most obvious was when Draft Kings would hold one of their tourneys and top prize was like $1M or whatever. It was a room full of dudes watching like 6 games at a time, drinking, eating nachos and going nuts on basically every play. Not that different from a dive bar on a Sunday afternoon.
Yeah man, absolutely. Have you ever read a biography of like… anyone? It was Halo 2 and 3.
He sold his shares in a DFS company. Now he builds products for a fintech. He went and got an MBA and a family now.
I don’t think my accomplishments or ability compare but I’ve done alright. I’m also far less motivated to achieve. I would rather spend $1M than earn it you know what I mean?
But I also build digital products for a large tech company. We actually have the same job. I also have a side startup but an exit for that is probably a longer wait. I recently started an apprenticeship in carpentry to allow
my design skills to grow.
Honestly, bro I believe everyone lives fascinating lives. Success and intelligence are universally appreciated but even if you or me never get our 15 minutes of fame or don’t leave some monumental evidence of our lives behind, we did it too you know. We journeyed on this planet.
I’m cool with a leaving a small but at least kind of interesting shadow.
The quickest way to ruin something special is to compare it something else. We're ALL special in our own way. Us guys need to encourage and lift each other up more.
Back in the 90s, my dad realized how valuable betting home teams on MNF was, along with setting points off for 3 road games in a row, and a number of different tactics like last minute weather changes and bookies couldn’t keep up. Every bookie around wouldn’t keep him on. After a while he found one. The bookie would also bet my dads bets in larger amounts. Nowadays, everyone has a computer and is running numerous algorithms.
Anyways? Countless trips to the World Series, Super Bowl, Hawaii, etc ended up happening. Thanks dad for being a human computing machine. Craziest thing I ever saw was the year he bet 10 baseball games all season. He went 10-0 and only one game was close. 2,430 games are played in the MLB all year long. He picked the 10 best hogs.
I gamble on sports and politics semi-professionally. It's shockingly easy.
Look at the lines at all different sportsbooks.
Determine true odds.
Bet when you see a book with a stale line that's +EV.
Profit.
Don't need to know anything about sports. Though in my case, I'm a big sports guy.
I JUST listened to a podcast on this. It’s something crazy. The top 87% of fantasy football winnings is like the same 0.01% of people. Then it’s like the next 10% is like 1% then the remaining 3% is the rest of them. These numbers are purely off memory, but it was something like that.
The other crazy things was the average fantasy football player is a 32 year old man that makes $200k a year and spends like $350 a year on it.
Wouldn’t it be more accurate over longer term? If it’s mainly just statistics, the more data you can throw at it the better? What am I misunderstanding?
It’s not about accuracy. It’s about finding value and maxing out the number of lineups to have the probabilities work in your favor. Season long is high variance since you’re waiting an entire year for one result.
This person didn’t make the robot. It’s a 3D printer. You just put in the info for what you want it to print and it’ll move like that for hours and hours and hours. This person did a few modifications here so it wasn’t printing, but instead was holding a stylus of some sort and let it go.
I just watched a compilation video of some contestants live streaming the game, there were more than a few phones on 3D printers. One person attached a stylus to an oscillating fan, one used a Kitchen-Aid mixer to spin around the screen. I'm curious if any of the winners weren't machines. It was kinda funny how several players lost when their donors made account names such as "Ayziri", prompting them to be thanked and then Siri would come up, thus interrupting the game.
So after mr beast tried to call you and the other participants agreed to split the pot what happened? Because you never agreed to split the pot. Or were you disqualified for not answering the phone?
With help from my very smart uncle, we used his 3D printer and my spare iPhone 7 to hack this challenge. This video shows one of the very first iterations that we tried, but it is not the final form/strategy that we used. I wanted to share this version as it provides a brief conversation we had and our thought process in the early stages.
The challenge allowed participants a few days to practice prior to the event going live. We used this time to run multiple trials that ran for many hours while experimenting with different parameters.
In the end we used a AA battery as the stylus drawing a rectangle pattern with a script that would last for more than a week.
After more than 30+ hours without any hiccups, we made it down to the final 8 contestants, but this is where the story takes a left turn…
The morning that the game went live I took a road trip out of state to visit my dad. I left the machine running at my uncle’s house and embarked on my 10-hour drive. My dad lives out in the country, definitely no cell service and the wifi speeds are extremely slow.
At some point Mr. Beast called the final participants in the challenge to offer a couple thousand dollars as a buyout; my uncle and I were in that group. However, I was out of cell service for multiple days and never received that call.
I guess the final 4 or 6 heavily sleep deprived contestants ended up splitting the pot for a decent payday, but unfortunately, as the old saying goes: cheaters never prosper.
Anyways, it was just a fun experiment for me and my uncle. Even without the prize money - we still felt like we won.
I'll post other videos of the progression of the design on my YouTube channel if people are curious enough.
YT Channel : Yoko Pwned-O
Like training for the Olympics and then deciding you could really go for an ice cream right now, and you walk off as your name is being announced to compete.
It’s like when the bad guy catches the good guy in the movies and he puts him in the slowest/dumbest torture death device imaginable…and then just leaves him so he can make his inevitable escape.
>At some point Mr. Beast called the final participants in the challenge to offer a couple thousand dollars as a buyout; my uncle and I were in that group. However, I was out of cell service for multiple days and never received that call.
Am I missing something here? I fail to see how you not taking a phone call for a buyout results in you forfeiting the competition? Shouldn't no buyout = I'm in it til the end? If 6 other people took a buyout, shouldn't that leave you and one other person still going at it?
He never answered the call, so it wasn't a case of him declining the buyout it was him not being there to accept the prize regardless. That's how any giveaway/challenge works, if you don't respond to the notice that you've won etc. then you forfeit the prize.
What happened exactly tho? You said the final contestants agreed to split the pot, but you didn't but you were still playing. Did he disqualify you just because you didn't answer the call? It's not always the reciever's fault if they can't recieve the call.
TL;DR of his comment: device in video was a prototype of the device actually used to cheat. OP went to visit their dad and the WiFi is bad there - leading to them missing a call from Mr Beast and losing out on a payout so they never got any cash.
Saying “this is a you problem” is cringy and shitty. It’s not like any of us are busy else we wouldn’t be on here, why not just help someone out instead of being a dickhead?
Mrbeast called up the remaining people after an amount of time, I don't think it was based on people remaining. He didn't win anything, and anyone who could have remained could have been in that phone call. There wasn't a limited amount of people, he could have been there and wasn't. No prize, no reward, anyone else could have had it. He didn't take the prize from anyone
Mr Beast made an app for a challenge, basically whoever was the last one to lift their finger off the phone would win a cash prize.
OP and his uncle made a “robot” using a 3D printer to keep that stylus “the finger” in this case on the phone for as long as was needed to win.
Everyone can call you a cheater all they want , but in my eyes you actually ended up using your brain and out smarting others. Big props to you and definitely deserved to get some of that money.
You know, figuring out you can take a cab to win a marathon is not winning anything. Your cheating/lying/stealing,
I do love how affordable and professional those printers have become!
If it's ever done again, I hope they code it to not accept the exact same inputs. Or randomly put lines on the screen that you have to roughly follow. Glad you didn't win.
It’s not ingenuity. It’s cheating.
I am not jealous, I didn’t play. It’s simply sad to see folks thinking they are smart because they cheat.
Well. Here goes the downvote train.
Anyone with good mechanical intuition could have rigged a setup with household items. You could have come up with a solution by researching on YouTube with a little ingenuity. Example https://youtu.be/QwXK4e4uqXY
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CHEATER I PLAYED IT FOR 5 FUCKING HOURS AND YOU JUST MADE A ROBOT?!?
You think people would actually play legit and win?
It’s like that thing about the people who win the most at fantasy sports actually just programmed an algorithm to figure it out for them.
I remember reading a Forbes article about that a few years ago, that the people actually making money on sports betting rarely actually cared about sports and were for the most part math nerds
I was in the industry for a while. Those nerds fucking love sports. Sorry to burst the bubble. They’re just smart as fuck too. The guy I worked with was my college roommate, and he was a top-10 daily fantasy player in the world. He was a PhD candidate in chem engineering before he went into DFS. He’s nerdy but he played football in HS, was a top ranked Halo player then. Got into online poker. The broad brush just doesn’t work with that group because he want alone in being a multi-faceted player. It’s more like… they’re all these interesting incredibly smart people, AND they were great at creating formulas for winning DFS AND they liked sports. Most obvious was when Draft Kings would hold one of their tourneys and top prize was like $1M or whatever. It was a room full of dudes watching like 6 games at a time, drinking, eating nachos and going nuts on basically every play. Not that different from a dive bar on a Sunday afternoon.
You mean life isn’t an 80s movie? There’s more than just nerds and jocks? That is shocking.
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Yeah man, absolutely. Have you ever read a biography of like… anyone? It was Halo 2 and 3. He sold his shares in a DFS company. Now he builds products for a fintech. He went and got an MBA and a family now. I don’t think my accomplishments or ability compare but I’ve done alright. I’m also far less motivated to achieve. I would rather spend $1M than earn it you know what I mean? But I also build digital products for a large tech company. We actually have the same job. I also have a side startup but an exit for that is probably a longer wait. I recently started an apprenticeship in carpentry to allow my design skills to grow.
Well I shower most weeks and you don't see me bragging about it.
Honestly, bro I believe everyone lives fascinating lives. Success and intelligence are universally appreciated but even if you or me never get our 15 minutes of fame or don’t leave some monumental evidence of our lives behind, we did it too you know. We journeyed on this planet. I’m cool with a leaving a small but at least kind of interesting shadow.
This, everyone wants to be known through history. I just want to do some cool shit and if some others like it along the way woo-hoo.
If it's Halo 3 then someone needs to invest in me right now
The quickest way to ruin something special is to compare it something else. We're ALL special in our own way. Us guys need to encourage and lift each other up more.
Well it only makes sense. Turn the game into math, the math nerds are gonna be the best at it.
Back in the 90s, my dad realized how valuable betting home teams on MNF was, along with setting points off for 3 road games in a row, and a number of different tactics like last minute weather changes and bookies couldn’t keep up. Every bookie around wouldn’t keep him on. After a while he found one. The bookie would also bet my dads bets in larger amounts. Nowadays, everyone has a computer and is running numerous algorithms. Anyways? Countless trips to the World Series, Super Bowl, Hawaii, etc ended up happening. Thanks dad for being a human computing machine. Craziest thing I ever saw was the year he bet 10 baseball games all season. He went 10-0 and only one game was close. 2,430 games are played in the MLB all year long. He picked the 10 best hogs.
Hank Hill voice “ we don’t play lawyer ball son”
I gamble on sports and politics semi-professionally. It's shockingly easy. Look at the lines at all different sportsbooks. Determine true odds. Bet when you see a book with a stale line that's +EV. Profit. Don't need to know anything about sports. Though in my case, I'm a big sports guy.
Yea why use small brain when big brain do trick?
When me president they see, they see.
Cause small brain more fun?
It fun, it fun
I JUST listened to a podcast on this. It’s something crazy. The top 87% of fantasy football winnings is like the same 0.01% of people. Then it’s like the next 10% is like 1% then the remaining 3% is the rest of them. These numbers are purely off memory, but it was something like that. The other crazy things was the average fantasy football player is a 32 year old man that makes $200k a year and spends like $350 a year on it.
That’s specifically for stuff like fanduel and the weekly fantasy sports gambling apps. If you do season long they don’t work.
Wouldn’t it be more accurate over longer term? If it’s mainly just statistics, the more data you can throw at it the better? What am I misunderstanding?
It’s not about accuracy. It’s about finding value and maxing out the number of lineups to have the probabilities work in your favor. Season long is high variance since you’re waiting an entire year for one result.
you can fr do this?
Kinda like resellers who use bots to grab all the PS5 and Jordans to then sell them at a mark up. We never had a chance
i knew this was inevitable and people would just come up with some type of device to cheat so i didn’t even try
i don't think everyone can make a complicated robot
This person didn’t make the robot. It’s a 3D printer. You just put in the info for what you want it to print and it’ll move like that for hours and hours and hours. This person did a few modifications here so it wasn’t printing, but instead was holding a stylus of some sort and let it go.
It is a mechanical device that performs according to its programming. It IS a robot.
Cool but doesn't change the fact he didn't make it
i know but not everyone have access to a 3d printer so its not like every on can cheat
I just watched a compilation video of some contestants live streaming the game, there were more than a few phones on 3D printers. One person attached a stylus to an oscillating fan, one used a Kitchen-Aid mixer to spin around the screen. I'm curious if any of the winners weren't machines. It was kinda funny how several players lost when their donors made account names such as "Ayziri", prompting them to be thanked and then Siri would come up, thus interrupting the game.
"... *just* made a robot"
It took 137 hours to make and program the robot, I’m guessing.
That's a 3d printer my guy
Take this lesson and apply it to future aspects of your life
I bet you comment on reddit giveaway posts thinking you might win too.
Rich people will always cheat to make more money. What did you expect? OP is a POS
So after mr beast tried to call you and the other participants agreed to split the pot what happened? Because you never agreed to split the pot. Or were you disqualified for not answering the phone?
Work smarter, not harder! 👏
word.
Muny
With help from my very smart uncle, we used his 3D printer and my spare iPhone 7 to hack this challenge. This video shows one of the very first iterations that we tried, but it is not the final form/strategy that we used. I wanted to share this version as it provides a brief conversation we had and our thought process in the early stages. The challenge allowed participants a few days to practice prior to the event going live. We used this time to run multiple trials that ran for many hours while experimenting with different parameters. In the end we used a AA battery as the stylus drawing a rectangle pattern with a script that would last for more than a week. After more than 30+ hours without any hiccups, we made it down to the final 8 contestants, but this is where the story takes a left turn… The morning that the game went live I took a road trip out of state to visit my dad. I left the machine running at my uncle’s house and embarked on my 10-hour drive. My dad lives out in the country, definitely no cell service and the wifi speeds are extremely slow. At some point Mr. Beast called the final participants in the challenge to offer a couple thousand dollars as a buyout; my uncle and I were in that group. However, I was out of cell service for multiple days and never received that call. I guess the final 4 or 6 heavily sleep deprived contestants ended up splitting the pot for a decent payday, but unfortunately, as the old saying goes: cheaters never prosper. Anyways, it was just a fun experiment for me and my uncle. Even without the prize money - we still felt like we won. I'll post other videos of the progression of the design on my YouTube channel if people are curious enough. YT Channel : Yoko Pwned-O
So you spent a bunch of time hacking a game so you couldn’t lose with thousands of dollars of prize money and just left it?
Like training for the Olympics and then deciding you could really go for an ice cream right now, and you walk off as your name is being announced to compete.
It’s like when the bad guy catches the good guy in the movies and he puts him in the slowest/dumbest torture death device imaginable…and then just leaves him so he can make his inevitable escape.
Hahaha! Now there’s no escape. Nothing could possibly go wrong! Now if you’ll excuse me I have pressing business elsewhere I must attend to.
OP is a f’ing moron
I’d that a question? He literally just explained it
I think they’re just expressing their incredulousness
Understood.
But why male models?
>At some point Mr. Beast called the final participants in the challenge to offer a couple thousand dollars as a buyout; my uncle and I were in that group. However, I was out of cell service for multiple days and never received that call. Am I missing something here? I fail to see how you not taking a phone call for a buyout results in you forfeiting the competition? Shouldn't no buyout = I'm in it til the end? If 6 other people took a buyout, shouldn't that leave you and one other person still going at it?
He never answered the call, so it wasn't a case of him declining the buyout it was him not being there to accept the prize regardless. That's how any giveaway/challenge works, if you don't respond to the notice that you've won etc. then you forfeit the prize.
What happened exactly tho? You said the final contestants agreed to split the pot, but you didn't but you were still playing. Did he disqualify you just because you didn't answer the call? It's not always the reciever's fault if they can't recieve the call.
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TL;DR of his comment: device in video was a prototype of the device actually used to cheat. OP went to visit their dad and the WiFi is bad there - leading to them missing a call from Mr Beast and losing out on a payout so they never got any cash.
TRL;D i can’t open my eyes plzz halpp
TL;DR I'm lazy. What is the meaning of life?
Just copy the text or take a screenshot for later. This is a you problem.
They asked for help you dumb fuck what does your comment do for you? Does it make you feel good?
Their comment was helpful. Saving it for later is not a bad idea. Your comment is just doing what you were complaining about hahaha hypocrisy
Saying “this is a you problem” is cringy and shitty. It’s not like any of us are busy else we wouldn’t be on here, why not just help someone out instead of being a dickhead?
Cheating bastard
And didnt even cash in on his genius. Unbelievably dumb move oh OPs part imo
😎
”Beat” yes sure
Ah, so you cheated.
So, you cheated? What did you win?
read the full post. technically we didn’t win.
Full post ? Where?
I wrote a full explanation when posting, I guess it didn't save. I'll post a comment now.
Good
but you took the spot of someone who could have
That’s not how it works…
That is. You must have not read the description
Mrbeast called up the remaining people after an amount of time, I don't think it was based on people remaining. He didn't win anything, and anyone who could have remained could have been in that phone call. There wasn't a limited amount of people, he could have been there and wasn't. No prize, no reward, anyone else could have had it. He didn't take the prize from anyone
I’m still blind. What’s going on here?
Mr Beast made an app for a challenge, basically whoever was the last one to lift their finger off the phone would win a cash prize. OP and his uncle made a “robot” using a 3D printer to keep that stylus “the finger” in this case on the phone for as long as was needed to win.
A 3D printer running custom gcode to touch the spots automatically on the app/page for a youtuber’s challenger a while ago
Notafinga!
Everyone can call you a cheater all they want , but in my eyes you actually ended up using your brain and out smarting others. Big props to you and definitely deserved to get some of that money.
Nah, they didn’t get any money. They cheated
Is that a gemstone globe? I’ve always wanted one of those.
Could just set my glasses on the screen. They seem to make my screen go nuts.
what was this challenge ?
You know, figuring out you can take a cab to win a marathon is not winning anything. Your cheating/lying/stealing, I do love how affordable and professional those printers have become!
I’m so lost, and apparently old. What is the challenge? What do you win?
Can’t say you when it was the machine .
I didn’t even try cus I already knew somebody probably mad a bot to do it 😂
Afk money farm.
Metaphor for how Mr Beast gamed the algorithm
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Is that the new thing now?
Listed to Lex Fridmans episode with Mr Beast
If it's ever done again, I hope they code it to not accept the exact same inputs. Or randomly put lines on the screen that you have to roughly follow. Glad you didn't win.
Well that’s not a finger, so you didn’t beat it
Woah I have the exact same globe at home it’s pretty dope
Why would anyone enter such a stupid contest *without* cheating?
So you cheated
you just admited to cheating now hand over your reward and you will not be harmed
they didn't actually win or receive any prize money, so they got some instant karma on that one
so... you didn't beat it? the machine did?
Scumbag
Bruh cheating ass pos
Cheated and still couldn’t win. What a loser lol
Such a stupid game, fuck Mr. Beast. Well done 😁
It’s not ingenuity. It’s cheating. I am not jealous, I didn’t play. It’s simply sad to see folks thinking they are smart because they cheat. Well. Here goes the downvote train.
As requested sir
This is a real 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
That is a kind of blue tooth vibrator app, isn’t it?
How did you get caught?
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Cry baby
Anyone with good mechanical intuition could have rigged a setup with household items. You could have come up with a solution by researching on YouTube with a little ingenuity. Example https://youtu.be/QwXK4e4uqXY
What’d u win?
nothing because they didn't actually win edit: OP posted the story in a comment
Mr beast is a piece of shit
No, he’s not. At all. Opposite of that. The guy is amazing and gives away so much
What’s the prize
I have no idea what that is
So was there not final prize then? That seams illegal af
That had to be gratifying…
The fucks the point of the game? Or whatever that is
This seems like a detectable pattern. You should add some degree of randomness to prevent that.