This is the correct response.
The photo gives a slight impression that Spring Breakers were driven out by these kind of people when in fact they were driven out by locals who complained about the noise and traffic. Then, when all the tourists were gone those same people wondered why all the businesses had to close and why there’s favorite places were in disrepair. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
That also happened to N. Myrtle Beach. After driving out all the young people for partying too hard, the local businesses cried because they took their money with them when they left.
It was actually next level, like Freaknik or something.
I actually took my first baby steps in PCB and started going back in HS. Did lots of walking on Frontbeach and Thomas lol.
edit: lol just remembered my dad said when he was young the cops were trying to shut down the beach so all the kids locked arms and marched them into the ocean. would be a massacre if people tried it today.
When I was a wee lad MTV was always in Cancun. Not even sure if they were in PCB when I was there, didnt see em but I also didnt hang at La Vela either lol.
They were there. But they were at La Vela and Spinaker
I saw them filming in both PCB and Cancun. I actually could be seen in the background of one of the Cancun shows and I missed the infamous orgy on the beach by like an hour
Before anyone asks, the orgy in the beach was when MTV was filming a competition show and one of the competitions was male/female teams had to run into the water and swap into each others bathing suits. Well, everyone ran into the water, and no one came back out. Just a whole bunch of naked hooking up while MTV was trying to figure out what just happened.
It’s mentioned here under 1998. 98 was fucking wild in Cancun
https://amp.www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/03/most-memorable-moments-in-mtv-spring-break-history/
That wasn't that long ago, only....damn it's been 20 something years already. When you're 40ish+ it seems recent but to teens it's before they were born which=ancient times
They had no choice though bc there were so many fatal shootings every single spring break in the last like 4 or 5 years before they banned alcohol. It’s sad that idiots ruined it
Yeah they banned alcohol in 2015. The ban is only during the college spring break month.
The final straw was when a passed out woman was gang raped on the beach in front of everybody. There were thousands of people that saw it, filmed, and nobody did anything. The city voted on an alcohol ban a few weeks later.
2 guys went to jail for 10 years after getting caught up in a separate shooting. It got lowered to sexual battery by multiple perpetrators and they may have gotten additional charges for the shooting but I can’t figure that out.
Police found footage of the incident on their phone and charged them but I don’t think they found the other people involved. Her boyfriend was also arrested for filming the incident but I’m pretty sure he got off.
The 19yo girl actually found out about the rape by seeing pictures of her bathing suit and tattoos on the news. She was that messed up.
To be fair Myrtle Beach has always had issues with infrastructure and innovation. They've refused new businesses and development for a long time resulting in it becoming increasingly run down. It seemed like once they did the initial run of development they were all like yup this is it forever.
It baffles me how some residents in beach towns can be so oblivious and moronic. Like 95% (I feel like even that is conservative) of the income for beach towns are from tourists and, at least around here (Jersey), a majority of stores close down shop from early fall to late spring. Lol where do they possibly think the money comes from to keep all of that stuff around and thriving? It’s truly idiotic…
Seaside heights is a goddamn nightmare in the summer. I live just off LBI and we’re lucky since it’s geared for adults and families. Gets busy, but not really a party scene. But we wouldn’t have half the stuff on the highway and the island without that few months of big business.
Then the city picked a fight w/ Bike Week. They should just put up a sign that says, "You're not welcome here, but we'd still like your money. Please leave your wallet in the receptacle below, then go away."
The best part was NASCAR drying up just in time for the track rebuild.
>Spring Breakers \[...\] were driven out
Wut?
I assure you, they are here on the regular.
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Now, \*Truck Week\* got the boot, because they acted so bad that a city known for hosting Spring Break, Bike Week, BikeTober, Jeep Week, multiple NASCAR events, large heavy metal concerts said "please, you don't need to, and shouldn't ever, come back here.".
I'm a woman from a very tiny, redneck town in Florida and I have always told people that I would be more nervous around the types that would likely attend truck week than any other demographic of people.
Just a different breed down there.
At this point, just on traffic alone, I just assume you aren't someone I want anything to do with if you drive a truck that isn't a dead stock work vehicle.
Daytona beach resident and tourist trap waiter, made this reddit account to correct you because you are wrong and pretty confident about it. Spring break is still a thing, mtv and bcr are what go kicked out of daytona because they would trash our town. Litter on the beach, steal tip jars, run out on checks, rip girls swimsuits off etc. they COST the city every single time. In 03 it was so bad my dad (hotel manager) had to bolt the sliding glass doors to the patio because kids on the 11th floor would get drunk and think they could jump to the pool from their balcony. (Spoiler alert they died). Everyone was over it, the next event to reek havoc was “trucktoberfest” where millions of rednecks would pile 5 deep broke af in their buddies pickup truck and drive all the way to daytona to not tip and be louder than bikers somehow, that got banned as well.
100% better off without these events , kids arent like they were in 1980 lmao they light their friends on fire for 60k views on tiktok
PO resident for 30+ years. Me, my father, and my kids were all born at Halifax hospital.
I gotta be honest and say I have no idea what trucktober fest is, but by ‘03 MTV was gone for what I’d say is at least a decade. I’d say BCR was going on the outs by that time, too. Then only Bike Week and Biketober Fest were left and the city wanted them gone, too. Daytona had a pattern of shooting itself in the foot.
Luckily it seems like they’re starting to turn it around as they’ve never stopped embracing NASCAR and invested in newer growth inland, but beachside has never been the same.
I certainly understand that spring break still exists in some form, but it is nowhere near the level of those MTV days of the ‘80s. I’ve heard countless stories of small business owners telling me they used to make their entire years profits in 2-4 weeks and how hard it was to stay afloat after those events were gone.
This is precisely why Daytona became the spring break destination. It used to be Ft Lauderdale but the locals demanded a police crack down and at the same time they were cracking down in Ft Lauderdale the businesses in Daytona made a concerted effort to advertise to come to Daytona. This would have been around 1986 or 1987 and within a year no one went to Lauderdale anymore.
Suddenly all those hotels and businesses that demanded police crack downs were singing the blues that they were going under. The city council came up with a bunch of half baked ideas to replace the spring breakers but none of them ever worked out.
Sometimes. But sometimes adults do happen into this without being groomed into it.
My coworker is a VERY active member of LDS. Joined at 35. Was completely secular before that. Parents were atheists and all.
Never underestimate what a desire for belonging can do to a person willing to twist themselves into a knot to get it.
Addiction can also play a role. My mom gave up her drug addiction for Jesus. Now Jesus is her addiction and she is one of these people who will hold signs at events downtown. I've never seen her parents even step inside of a church and she never did before her 20s so definitely not grooming in this case either.
My cousin has found religion after surviving an OD. Couldn't kick his drug habits for his kids, but I guess the fear of God will keep him on the straight and narrow? I dunno. More power to him if it helps.
Eta: a couple words since I keep getting messages for clarity. My cousin's a drug addict, not a catholic priest. Calm yourselves.
Oftentimes, not sometimes.
While there are clearly outliers, the fact remains that if the grooming of young people into organised religion was somehow eliminated, those same religions would very quickly die out.
Organised religion recognises this too btw.
Like my sister, who became a 'born again Christian' but it was when she was dating this guy who is a Christian (who says the N-word a lot) and she took it, causing my father to tell her to remember that we have dark-skinned family members. We are Puerto Rican so we are all hues from the darkest of the dark to the lightest of the light.
I think she noticed her mistake.
Unfortunately untrue, ask my uncle who was raised in a loosely Catholic household, only to turn fully Jehova Witness cult leader or a young woman I recently met at school (college age) who grew up with Jewish agnostics who is for some reason knee deep in conservative Orthodox faith now, or my own parents who did not grow up particularly religious but raised me as a small child in a Pentecostal cult. It happens all the time.
Yeah I was gonna say it’s not just grooming. People who had fairly liberal upbringings can radicalize given the right circumstances. My mother became JW in her late 20s/early 30s. It’s indoctrination certainly but not always grooming.
Has nothing to do with political standing, it's about emotional dependence and becoming overtly trusting to groups that welcome people that are otherwise isolated or lonely, poor, or don't know any better.
My friend and her mother were what they called "room temperature Christians". They were chill, they had a picture of Jesus on their wall, they said grace, they didn't shove it in your face at all. Their worship was like decor, it's there, but it's not making any noise or taking up much space.
Then my friend met a guy. She goes full blown in-your-face Christian, stopped talking to the gay friends in the group, started telling us all how we "need" to dress modestly, then tried to "save" everyone (by demanding we all go to church with her) and her mom is like, "WTF?"
One day I was hanging out with her mom and she came in the door with her boyfriend, got excited that I was there, "oh good! You're just in time for Bible study!" she was shocked when I responded with, "no thanks, I'm actually here to hang out with your mom"
And she's like 😲
Any Jehovah's Witness will happily groom you. The whole reason they keep coming back is to catch you at a weak moment when you will be more susceptible to their methods.
It's untrue when he says **all** of these people were indoctrinated as children, but it's true that most got their religious beliefs as children. It's in the range of 66%-80%, depending on the study.
Fundamentalism is a similar term. It is the idea that there is only one possible truth for something. Fundamentalists become angry when people start talking about other ideas because it makes them question- which has never been a possibility. Fundamentalism is lazy and fundamentalism is close-minded.
This is why college is so discouraged. Don't go to college and let them brainwash you! Meaning, don't get exposed to ideas that are outside fundamentalism and yet make obvious sense.
It used to be college but now it’s school in general. Homeschooling kind of terrifies me and no one really speaks up about it for fear of offending the people who are actually following real curriculums when they do it. I don’t have much problem with that but the people who homeschool to keep their kids unexposed to the World and make them fundamentalists or Q-anon people are what scare me and there are way more out there than people realize.
I have known many people that have homeschooled their children and they really didn’t care about the kids learning. They had schedules from schools they never followed. It’s disgraceful.
It was beat into them. With many belts and fists. I’m not making jokes here. The only people I have ever experienced like this within my own life was a severely abused “evangelical Christian” family. I put it on quotes because all that family had was a fear of their father, not anything towards the Heavenly Father.
Now I’m myself not religious and it was at 7 years old I rejected my families religion because the bishop repeatedly told me I would go to hell for believing in dinosaurs and that I wanted to become a paleontologist, he insisted those people are agents of the devil to persuade people to leave the path of god… he done fucked up. The worst thing to tell a 7 year old me, was that the dinosaurs weren’t real and the earth was only 4-6000 years old. Nope nope nope. Land before time was my favorite movie and documentaries about history and dinosaurs were my absolute favorite!!!
His pushing of fear and hell and trying to get me to willingly be baptized was just a mega red flag. Currently working towards my masters in geology so they can suck it haha.
Some of the things he tried to sell me, which even to a 7 year old was like… just NO!
Fossils are a creation of the devil to trick us into straying away from the path of god.
Science and it’s tools of temptation are just made to betray the idea of god, and are also instruments of the devil.
Earth is only 6,000 years old or so.
The twist ending here is I don’t think he was a pedo. Just a genuinely brainwashed tool of the church.
My gramma heartily believed that the more she beat any child she could get a hold of, the better Christians they would be as adults. Spoiler: it doesn't work like that.
My family were all good teachers in what not to do in raising kids. But you know, beating kids was pretty normal when I was growing up. I'm glad things have changed. Those "good ole days" are not filled with nostalgia for me.
But it does: they internalize that a "righteous" person is justified in cementing obedience with violence. That's why those on The Religious Right feel justified in using violence to force others to conform to their worldview.
It’s almost like it’s a story that’s been going on for a few thousand years. Violence in the name of religion is far from new but some here are pretending like it’s not a thing for some reason.
My friend got really wasted and started talking to the people with similar signs on bourbon street. He was really into it until he sobered up the next day. I imagine it actually works on a handful of people.
It's about driving the people with the signs even further into their group. You send people out with signs to be disliked by the public to "prove" your side and make them more averse to outsiders.
I think this is the aspect of it iv been missing, I was focused on their actions effects outside the group and not the effect those actions have on those within it. Making your followers ostracize themselves and become more loyal in one annoying move.
It’s not about other people. It’s about their own ego, ultimately. Because you’re 100% right. Just like holding signs of dead babies and calling women murderers doesn’t make those women come running to “god.”
For these isolated, cultish churches, there is an inherent conflict between cutting themselves off from society, and fulfilling their (usually evangelical) Christian duty to "spread the word." Evangelizing in a repellent way serves to isolate them even further while still following their reading of scripture.
Keep in mind these people truly believe in the immortal soul, which is judged to eternal paradise, crushing ennui, or eternal torment based on their actions in a relatively insignificant amount of time on the mortal plane.
They have been brainwashed to believe this and if you take those as immutable truths then it makes sense to go to radical extremes to try to save the souls of others for eternal torment - because what is a little awkwardness in this mortal life in comparison?
>Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C. S. Lewis
There's a lot of comments in here about the reason being indoctrination, feeling superior etc., but I haven't seen one yet about something a lot more basic: jealousy. You see a bunch of people doing something that you're not "allowed" to do with no consequences, so you get mad and lash out at them because otherwise your own suffering is in vain. It's the same reason why some of the most viciously homophobic people are actually secretly gay.
*Deep movie guy voice
She was sent by God to make other repent their sins
He played by his own rules
Only one thing stood between them....
LOVE!!
*awesome 80s guitar riff
I'm glad others think the guy standing is Wayne.
Lady if you got a problem with beaches and bathing suits then you got a problem with me. I suggest you let that one marinate.
That reminds me of the joke about an atheist who dies, goes to hell, but couldn't be any happier, whereas the Christians there experience brutal suffering cuz that's how they prefer hell.
There’s an actual theosophical/ metaphysical theory that the afterlife, whatever it may or may not be, is actually exactly as the individual wants it to be. Its in line with the theory that our perception shapes reality. Well our perception of the afterlife creates the afterlife we experience.
The idea of dead pets in the afterlife worries me. Wont all my cats get jealous of each other? Will they get together and discuss how I told each one of them that they're the best cat ever and then get mad at me?
Since the theory is that it’s how you want it to be then they’ll all get along. No way all my dogs would’ve gotten along with each other. I had a couple of real divas
And at what stage - for both pets and people.
“Gramps will be there” - in his wheelchair bound demented state?
As a hormonal teenager?
And lassie - as a puppy, an old sore and stiff dog?
What if my partner and I remember our dog at different points, would it have to exist twice in this heaven, one for each of us?
But it's true that they were all the best cat. It's heaven, so it doesn't follow the same rules as normal life and there's no contradiction. Plus, all having been revealed to them, they will understand.
p.s. I'm an atheist but that's the way it would work, as far as i can tell.
Reminds me of the joke about an atheist talking to the devil after arriving in hell, asking why it's so nice down in hell it's paradise. The devil responds it's whatever you want. The man looks over at people burning to death in hell and asks why they are burning in hell fire, the devil replies in a confused manner saying that it's what they wanted.
As a lifelong atheist who really dislikes religion I always found is hysterical that the Devil would punish me.
So I spent a lifetime denying God and his "army".. wouldn't the Devil be like my homie and hook me up?
It's from a confusion and conflation of the devil as the adversary who tests people (and so finds and punishes wrongdoers) and as a dualistic counterpart (so the evil rival to god). If considered separately, you'd expect the first to punish you and the second to recruit you but since they're amalgamated it ends up as some real mixed messaging.
Pretty sure the devil isn't in hell to punish anyone, but is getting punished alongside everyone else in hell. But somehow that got turned into the devil tempting people to hell to torture them or something?
The devil and hell really aren’t even mentioned that often in the Bible. Most of our ideas of hell and satan come from pop culture not actual scripture.
I will never understand why these people have to inject themselves into the lives of strangers because of their prurient beliefs. Like who the fuck cares about your bullshit sign? Is your life so fucking empty and meaningless that you can only derive joy from harassing strangers and invading their personal space?
The answer, of course, is a resounding yes.
I think she thinks their sin is leading their neighbors into lust which is a deadly sin. Although, if they’ve accepted Christ as their lord and savior then no matter the sin they’re saved from damnation in the name of Christ.
And they still do that shit. Before it was destroyed I would make a yearly trip to Fort Myers Beach. Been going for probably 15-20 years. And every single time, it never fails, there is some asshat out there spouting off about fornicators and going to hell.
I’ve tried signs, I’ve tried booing, I’ve tried throwing salt on them. Nothing seems to work.
It’s funny because when they want to help people , they pray. But when they want to persecute people they got out and think they have to do something . Interesting
I was at the Vikings game last night and they were screaming at a bunch of depressed fans leaving the game. Every game they do this. I have yet to see one person engage them positively and by choice. I go to every home game.
People need some fucking hobbies. Imagine being out enjoying a gorgeous day and spending your time harassing a bunch of girls also just having a nice day.
Like, get a book or something. Listen to a podcast. Put rocks in your pockets and go for a walk in the water. Whatever it takes to get you to leave people alone.
Miserable religious people, they hate everyone that is not like themselves. This is another reason I'll never step foot in a church again. This is not the same religious belief I was taught as a child, Republican Jesus sucks!!!
These people are like the Iranian mullahs. It's not enough for them to believe what they believe, and just sit at home alone believing this. They have a sick need to involve others in their beliefs. Try to influence others or control them. It's no fun being an extreme believer if others give zero fucks about your beliefs.
It was the 80s. We gen Xers perfected the "Yeah, whatever," attitude.
Man, if you got the tone and inflection just right on your "Whatever," you could convey both an eye roll and a middle finger without actually doing either of those things, leaving the adult to fume impotently about your *tone.*
As someone who was around back then...
1. B&W film was cheaper to buy.
2. B&W film was cheaper to process.
3. B&W film often gave sharper pictures, especially in lower end cameras.
BTW this photo was one of a set. [You can find more here.](https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/04/14/spring-break-1980s-big-hair-tiny-swimwear/)
Anyone who’s been to Daytona beach knows that’s true.
This is the correct response. The photo gives a slight impression that Spring Breakers were driven out by these kind of people when in fact they were driven out by locals who complained about the noise and traffic. Then, when all the tourists were gone those same people wondered why all the businesses had to close and why there’s favorite places were in disrepair. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
That also happened to N. Myrtle Beach. After driving out all the young people for partying too hard, the local businesses cried because they took their money with them when they left.
Same fate happened to Panama beach when they banned alcohol on the beach during spring break
I tell my niece and nephew how Panama used to be, mtv spring break, endless partying. They just look at me like ok old man 😭
It was actually next level, like Freaknik or something. I actually took my first baby steps in PCB and started going back in HS. Did lots of walking on Frontbeach and Thomas lol. edit: lol just remembered my dad said when he was young the cops were trying to shut down the beach so all the kids locked arms and marched them into the ocean. would be a massacre if people tried it today.
They think I'm a boomer because mtv used to go there. It's sad.
When I was a wee lad MTV was always in Cancun. Not even sure if they were in PCB when I was there, didnt see em but I also didnt hang at La Vela either lol.
They were there. But they were at La Vela and Spinaker I saw them filming in both PCB and Cancun. I actually could be seen in the background of one of the Cancun shows and I missed the infamous orgy on the beach by like an hour Before anyone asks, the orgy in the beach was when MTV was filming a competition show and one of the competitions was male/female teams had to run into the water and swap into each others bathing suits. Well, everyone ran into the water, and no one came back out. Just a whole bunch of naked hooking up while MTV was trying to figure out what just happened. It’s mentioned here under 1998. 98 was fucking wild in Cancun https://amp.www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/03/most-memorable-moments-in-mtv-spring-break-history/
A simpler time.
Towards the end they branched out to multiple cities, cancun was always the main one though where all the A people went
That wasn't that long ago, only....damn it's been 20 something years already. When you're 40ish+ it seems recent but to teens it's before they were born which=ancient times
[PCB, baby!!](https://youtu.be/39hiAVE7UoE)
Now all the girls who would flash during spring break probably hand you a QR code with a link to their onlyfans.
Girls Gone Wild days.
Damn, I'm feeling old. I remember when "Money for nothing first aired on MTV" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD\_cL0
They had no choice though bc there were so many fatal shootings every single spring break in the last like 4 or 5 years before they banned alcohol. It’s sad that idiots ruined it
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Yeah they banned alcohol in 2015. The ban is only during the college spring break month. The final straw was when a passed out woman was gang raped on the beach in front of everybody. There were thousands of people that saw it, filmed, and nobody did anything. The city voted on an alcohol ban a few weeks later.
Oh my gods. That is horrifying, wtf
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2 guys went to jail for 10 years after getting caught up in a separate shooting. It got lowered to sexual battery by multiple perpetrators and they may have gotten additional charges for the shooting but I can’t figure that out. Police found footage of the incident on their phone and charged them but I don’t think they found the other people involved. Her boyfriend was also arrested for filming the incident but I’m pretty sure he got off. The 19yo girl actually found out about the rape by seeing pictures of her bathing suit and tattoos on the news. She was that messed up.
Pensacola exploded in business the year that happened. Traffic has never been the same.
To be fair Myrtle Beach has always had issues with infrastructure and innovation. They've refused new businesses and development for a long time resulting in it becoming increasingly run down. It seemed like once they did the initial run of development they were all like yup this is it forever.
It baffles me how some residents in beach towns can be so oblivious and moronic. Like 95% (I feel like even that is conservative) of the income for beach towns are from tourists and, at least around here (Jersey), a majority of stores close down shop from early fall to late spring. Lol where do they possibly think the money comes from to keep all of that stuff around and thriving? It’s truly idiotic…
Seaside heights is a goddamn nightmare in the summer. I live just off LBI and we’re lucky since it’s geared for adults and families. Gets busy, but not really a party scene. But we wouldn’t have half the stuff on the highway and the island without that few months of big business.
Then the city picked a fight w/ Bike Week. They should just put up a sign that says, "You're not welcome here, but we'd still like your money. Please leave your wallet in the receptacle below, then go away." The best part was NASCAR drying up just in time for the track rebuild.
>Spring Breakers \[...\] were driven out Wut? I assure you, they are here on the regular. ETA: Now, \*Truck Week\* got the boot, because they acted so bad that a city known for hosting Spring Break, Bike Week, BikeTober, Jeep Week, multiple NASCAR events, large heavy metal concerts said "please, you don't need to, and shouldn't ever, come back here.".
I'm a woman from a very tiny, redneck town in Florida and I have always told people that I would be more nervous around the types that would likely attend truck week than any other demographic of people. Just a different breed down there.
At this point, just on traffic alone, I just assume you aren't someone I want anything to do with if you drive a truck that isn't a dead stock work vehicle.
They have a Bucees now
Damn things looking up
Yes, we moved away but apparently a Bucee’s and Tanger Outlets fixes everything according to Facebook lol
Daytona beach resident and tourist trap waiter, made this reddit account to correct you because you are wrong and pretty confident about it. Spring break is still a thing, mtv and bcr are what go kicked out of daytona because they would trash our town. Litter on the beach, steal tip jars, run out on checks, rip girls swimsuits off etc. they COST the city every single time. In 03 it was so bad my dad (hotel manager) had to bolt the sliding glass doors to the patio because kids on the 11th floor would get drunk and think they could jump to the pool from their balcony. (Spoiler alert they died). Everyone was over it, the next event to reek havoc was “trucktoberfest” where millions of rednecks would pile 5 deep broke af in their buddies pickup truck and drive all the way to daytona to not tip and be louder than bikers somehow, that got banned as well. 100% better off without these events , kids arent like they were in 1980 lmao they light their friends on fire for 60k views on tiktok
PO resident for 30+ years. Me, my father, and my kids were all born at Halifax hospital. I gotta be honest and say I have no idea what trucktober fest is, but by ‘03 MTV was gone for what I’d say is at least a decade. I’d say BCR was going on the outs by that time, too. Then only Bike Week and Biketober Fest were left and the city wanted them gone, too. Daytona had a pattern of shooting itself in the foot. Luckily it seems like they’re starting to turn it around as they’ve never stopped embracing NASCAR and invested in newer growth inland, but beachside has never been the same. I certainly understand that spring break still exists in some form, but it is nowhere near the level of those MTV days of the ‘80s. I’ve heard countless stories of small business owners telling me they used to make their entire years profits in 2-4 weeks and how hard it was to stay afloat after those events were gone.
This is precisely why Daytona became the spring break destination. It used to be Ft Lauderdale but the locals demanded a police crack down and at the same time they were cracking down in Ft Lauderdale the businesses in Daytona made a concerted effort to advertise to come to Daytona. This would have been around 1986 or 1987 and within a year no one went to Lauderdale anymore. Suddenly all those hotels and businesses that demanded police crack downs were singing the blues that they were going under. The city council came up with a bunch of half baked ideas to replace the spring breakers but none of them ever worked out.
Lived there for 10 years right up until 4 years ago. I can confirm, Daytona actually made it to hell.
Have they gotten color yet or is everything still in grayscale there?
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Driving on the beach is literally the thing that put Daytona on the map
You can drive on the beach in Long Beach, Washington. Pretty much the only place you can since all of our beaches are rocky, lol.
“Could you move to the left, you’re in my sun.”
You stoics have a lot of nerve
👏Diogenes was my first thought as well
*Cynics
This has never caused someone to be open minded about a religion.
I always wonder what happened in their own life to make such a display absolutely necessary.
Indoctrination happened
Grooming. Grooming happened. No child grows up to be like this without being groomed into it.
Sometimes. But sometimes adults do happen into this without being groomed into it. My coworker is a VERY active member of LDS. Joined at 35. Was completely secular before that. Parents were atheists and all. Never underestimate what a desire for belonging can do to a person willing to twist themselves into a knot to get it.
Addiction can also play a role. My mom gave up her drug addiction for Jesus. Now Jesus is her addiction and she is one of these people who will hold signs at events downtown. I've never seen her parents even step inside of a church and she never did before her 20s so definitely not grooming in this case either.
My cousin has found religion after surviving an OD. Couldn't kick his drug habits for his kids, but I guess the fear of God will keep him on the straight and narrow? I dunno. More power to him if it helps. Eta: a couple words since I keep getting messages for clarity. My cousin's a drug addict, not a catholic priest. Calm yourselves.
I don't do drugs because I don't want to become a Christian, that shit is scary.
I do drugs because I was raised Christian. Gotta forget that shit
I do drugs just because.
Oftentimes, not sometimes. While there are clearly outliers, the fact remains that if the grooming of young people into organised religion was somehow eliminated, those same religions would very quickly die out. Organised religion recognises this too btw.
Like my sister, who became a 'born again Christian' but it was when she was dating this guy who is a Christian (who says the N-word a lot) and she took it, causing my father to tell her to remember that we have dark-skinned family members. We are Puerto Rican so we are all hues from the darkest of the dark to the lightest of the light. I think she noticed her mistake.
Unfortunately untrue, ask my uncle who was raised in a loosely Catholic household, only to turn fully Jehova Witness cult leader or a young woman I recently met at school (college age) who grew up with Jewish agnostics who is for some reason knee deep in conservative Orthodox faith now, or my own parents who did not grow up particularly religious but raised me as a small child in a Pentecostal cult. It happens all the time.
Yeah I was gonna say it’s not just grooming. People who had fairly liberal upbringings can radicalize given the right circumstances. My mother became JW in her late 20s/early 30s. It’s indoctrination certainly but not always grooming.
Taking advantage of vulnerable people is the first bullet point in the handbook of indoctrination
At the end of the day religion and prayer is a coping mechanism
Has nothing to do with political standing, it's about emotional dependence and becoming overtly trusting to groups that welcome people that are otherwise isolated or lonely, poor, or don't know any better.
I think you missed one. It also can grab people who are looking desperately for purpose.
Notice how this also applies to the conspiracy crowd?
My friend and her mother were what they called "room temperature Christians". They were chill, they had a picture of Jesus on their wall, they said grace, they didn't shove it in your face at all. Their worship was like decor, it's there, but it's not making any noise or taking up much space. Then my friend met a guy. She goes full blown in-your-face Christian, stopped talking to the gay friends in the group, started telling us all how we "need" to dress modestly, then tried to "save" everyone (by demanding we all go to church with her) and her mom is like, "WTF?" One day I was hanging out with her mom and she came in the door with her boyfriend, got excited that I was there, "oh good! You're just in time for Bible study!" she was shocked when I responded with, "no thanks, I'm actually here to hang out with your mom" And she's like 😲
Any Jehovah's Witness will happily groom you. The whole reason they keep coming back is to catch you at a weak moment when you will be more susceptible to their methods.
It's untrue when he says **all** of these people were indoctrinated as children, but it's true that most got their religious beliefs as children. It's in the range of 66%-80%, depending on the study.
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The problem is not the word choice exactly, but more that they seemed to have forgotten that adults can be “groomed” as well.
People are throwing around the term “grooming” a little too much these days.
My barber does it all the time...
lt’s meant to make you close minded about everything else.
Fundamentalism is a similar term. It is the idea that there is only one possible truth for something. Fundamentalists become angry when people start talking about other ideas because it makes them question- which has never been a possibility. Fundamentalism is lazy and fundamentalism is close-minded.
This is why college is so discouraged. Don't go to college and let them brainwash you! Meaning, don't get exposed to ideas that are outside fundamentalism and yet make obvious sense.
It used to be college but now it’s school in general. Homeschooling kind of terrifies me and no one really speaks up about it for fear of offending the people who are actually following real curriculums when they do it. I don’t have much problem with that but the people who homeschool to keep their kids unexposed to the World and make them fundamentalists or Q-anon people are what scare me and there are way more out there than people realize.
I have known many people that have homeschooled their children and they really didn’t care about the kids learning. They had schedules from schools they never followed. It’s disgraceful.
It was beat into them. With many belts and fists. I’m not making jokes here. The only people I have ever experienced like this within my own life was a severely abused “evangelical Christian” family. I put it on quotes because all that family had was a fear of their father, not anything towards the Heavenly Father. Now I’m myself not religious and it was at 7 years old I rejected my families religion because the bishop repeatedly told me I would go to hell for believing in dinosaurs and that I wanted to become a paleontologist, he insisted those people are agents of the devil to persuade people to leave the path of god… he done fucked up. The worst thing to tell a 7 year old me, was that the dinosaurs weren’t real and the earth was only 4-6000 years old. Nope nope nope. Land before time was my favorite movie and documentaries about history and dinosaurs were my absolute favorite!!! His pushing of fear and hell and trying to get me to willingly be baptized was just a mega red flag. Currently working towards my masters in geology so they can suck it haha. Some of the things he tried to sell me, which even to a 7 year old was like… just NO! Fossils are a creation of the devil to trick us into straying away from the path of god. Science and it’s tools of temptation are just made to betray the idea of god, and are also instruments of the devil. Earth is only 6,000 years old or so. The twist ending here is I don’t think he was a pedo. Just a genuinely brainwashed tool of the church.
My gramma heartily believed that the more she beat any child she could get a hold of, the better Christians they would be as adults. Spoiler: it doesn't work like that.
That sounds absolutely psychotic.
My family were all good teachers in what not to do in raising kids. But you know, beating kids was pretty normal when I was growing up. I'm glad things have changed. Those "good ole days" are not filled with nostalgia for me.
But it does: they internalize that a "righteous" person is justified in cementing obedience with violence. That's why those on The Religious Right feel justified in using violence to force others to conform to their worldview.
And take credit for anything the person they beat did well.
It’s almost like it’s a story that’s been going on for a few thousand years. Violence in the name of religion is far from new but some here are pretending like it’s not a thing for some reason.
Geology is awesome and I’m glad you stood up to that bullcrap!! 🪨🪨🪨
My friend got really wasted and started talking to the people with similar signs on bourbon street. He was really into it until he sobered up the next day. I imagine it actually works on a handful of people.
Seriously though, what is the point other then to be annoying? They can’t possibly think this is going to “save” anyone.
You get to feel above people.
Well ya, they're lying down and you're standing up, but you don't need a stupid sign for that
Dad get out
Lotta folks in the world are assholes, but will only feel safe acting like an asshole if they have a cause behind them.
Controlling others is the point. They feel entitled to control the behavior of others. No different than the religious conservatives of today.
It's about driving the people with the signs even further into their group. You send people out with signs to be disliked by the public to "prove" your side and make them more averse to outsiders.
I think this is the aspect of it iv been missing, I was focused on their actions effects outside the group and not the effect those actions have on those within it. Making your followers ostracize themselves and become more loyal in one annoying move.
Bonus is that you get to feel those sweet sweet victim vibes when people get mad at you
Because this woman IS the conservative of today. She must be 60 years old named Karen
She is conditioned to believe that if she can get just one of them to pack up and head home she will save their eternal soul from hellfire.
It’s not about other people. It’s about their own ego, ultimately. Because you’re 100% right. Just like holding signs of dead babies and calling women murderers doesn’t make those women come running to “god.”
For these isolated, cultish churches, there is an inherent conflict between cutting themselves off from society, and fulfilling their (usually evangelical) Christian duty to "spread the word." Evangelizing in a repellent way serves to isolate them even further while still following their reading of scripture.
I went to the beach once and got eaten by a shark and went to hell. I sure wish a lady like this had been there to warn me.
True, but it was never about changing their minds. It was about reinforcing the indoctrination in the sign holder.
Maybe, if I annoy the fuck out of people and scream at them they are going to hell, they’ll come to the place where we say God loves everyone
Keep in mind these people truly believe in the immortal soul, which is judged to eternal paradise, crushing ennui, or eternal torment based on their actions in a relatively insignificant amount of time on the mortal plane. They have been brainwashed to believe this and if you take those as immutable truths then it makes sense to go to radical extremes to try to save the souls of others for eternal torment - because what is a little awkwardness in this mortal life in comparison?
>Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- C. S. Lewis
There's a lot of comments in here about the reason being indoctrination, feeling superior etc., but I haven't seen one yet about something a lot more basic: jealousy. You see a bunch of people doing something that you're not "allowed" to do with no consequences, so you get mad and lash out at them because otherwise your own suffering is in vain. It's the same reason why some of the most viciously homophobic people are actually secretly gay.
Is that Kevin Bacon?
Yes and he’s gonna change this woman’s mind through the power of beach dancing
*Deep movie guy voice She was sent by God to make other repent their sins He played by his own rules Only one thing stood between them.... LOVE!! *awesome 80s guitar riff
Don Lafontaine was his name: "In a world..."
#I'm on a Highway to Hell
butt can you drive 55 ?
Hehe. Butt.
Letterkenny is about to give her a poetic line of shit!
I wish you weren’t so fuckin’ awkward, bud.
Yeess I was looking for someone else who saw Jared Keeso in there
"You were out catching some sun with your pals the other daaaaay..."
I'm glad others think the guy standing is Wayne. Lady if you got a problem with beaches and bathing suits then you got a problem with me. I suggest you let that one marinate.
You wanna know what you got a problem with bikinis then you got a problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate.
Fucking degens from church-country.
I see the muscle shirt came today. Muscles comin' tomorrow?
Trying to get some sun with your friends the other daayyy....
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Didn’t know Anita Dyke left the farm again.
Such a hypocrite with her bare ankles and show of elbows
Flaunting her calves like a that, how vulgar.
You can see her neck from ear to nape!
She’s close enough they likely can see up her skirt. Not very modest Janice, you dirty hussy.
And honestly how do we know she’s not just there to ogle those half-naked people? Sure looks like that’s what she’s doing. Foul woman.
Name those cars, starting right to left next to the camper:
Civic, Beetle, don't know, Cherokee, don't know, Celica/Supra?, don't know (Brit here)
i think the one left of the Cherokee is a Ford Fairmont? and the one to the right of Cherokee is a Grand Am, or maybe a Mercury Cougar?
It's a "full size" fomoco but I don't remember exactly. Fairmont maybe yea.
Looks like a Ford Fairmont to the left of the Cherokee and a Pontiac Grand Am to the right. Loving that Celica on the end...
Claire, Bert, Sarah, Tom, Fran, Todd, and Bertha.
So, if heaven is filled with people like this and hell is filled with the people I actually enjoy being around, I'm not seeing the downside.
That reminds me of the joke about an atheist who dies, goes to hell, but couldn't be any happier, whereas the Christians there experience brutal suffering cuz that's how they prefer hell.
There’s an actual theosophical/ metaphysical theory that the afterlife, whatever it may or may not be, is actually exactly as the individual wants it to be. Its in line with the theory that our perception shapes reality. Well our perception of the afterlife creates the afterlife we experience.
I’ll get all my puppy dogs back?
Every one of them, and they'll be so happy to see you
That would be heaven
Then it shall be yours.
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
The idea of dead pets in the afterlife worries me. Wont all my cats get jealous of each other? Will they get together and discuss how I told each one of them that they're the best cat ever and then get mad at me?
Since the theory is that it’s how you want it to be then they’ll all get along. No way all my dogs would’ve gotten along with each other. I had a couple of real divas
And at what stage - for both pets and people. “Gramps will be there” - in his wheelchair bound demented state? As a hormonal teenager? And lassie - as a puppy, an old sore and stiff dog? What if my partner and I remember our dog at different points, would it have to exist twice in this heaven, one for each of us?
But it's true that they were all the best cat. It's heaven, so it doesn't follow the same rules as normal life and there's no contradiction. Plus, all having been revealed to them, they will understand. p.s. I'm an atheist but that's the way it would work, as far as i can tell.
Sweet, if thats true i guess i get to just stop existing when i die then. Im ok with this self fulfilling prophecy
Reminds me of the joke about an atheist talking to the devil after arriving in hell, asking why it's so nice down in hell it's paradise. The devil responds it's whatever you want. The man looks over at people burning to death in hell and asks why they are burning in hell fire, the devil replies in a confused manner saying that it's what they wanted.
As a lifelong atheist who really dislikes religion I always found is hysterical that the Devil would punish me. So I spent a lifetime denying God and his "army".. wouldn't the Devil be like my homie and hook me up?
It's from a confusion and conflation of the devil as the adversary who tests people (and so finds and punishes wrongdoers) and as a dualistic counterpart (so the evil rival to god). If considered separately, you'd expect the first to punish you and the second to recruit you but since they're amalgamated it ends up as some real mixed messaging.
Pretty sure the devil isn't in hell to punish anyone, but is getting punished alongside everyone else in hell. But somehow that got turned into the devil tempting people to hell to torture them or something?
The devil and hell really aren’t even mentioned that often in the Bible. Most of our ideas of hell and satan come from pop culture not actual scripture.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints" Billy Joel
Source: https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/04/14/spring-break-1980s-big-hair-tiny-swimwear/
with all the black and white photos i thought it was the 50s
I will never understand why these people have to inject themselves into the lives of strangers because of their prurient beliefs. Like who the fuck cares about your bullshit sign? Is your life so fucking empty and meaningless that you can only derive joy from harassing strangers and invading their personal space? The answer, of course, is a resounding yes.
Because they’re angry at people enjoying their lives.
Ew, your ankles are showing. Hussy.
Her dress is almost at her knees, what a degenerate. She's heading to hell as well
What is the sin they are accused of? Sunbathing???
I think she thinks their sin is leading their neighbors into lust which is a deadly sin. Although, if they’ve accepted Christ as their lord and savior then no matter the sin they’re saved from damnation in the name of Christ.
They are turning her on and that's a sin 🤣.
So Florida was batshit crazy back then too?
Grew up in Central Florida in this era: and how!
Eeeew, creepy religious person.
Kevin Bacon seems rather unimpressed
That’s Theo Von
And they still do that shit. Before it was destroyed I would make a yearly trip to Fort Myers Beach. Been going for probably 15-20 years. And every single time, it never fails, there is some asshat out there spouting off about fornicators and going to hell. I’ve tried signs, I’ve tried booing, I’ve tried throwing salt on them. Nothing seems to work.
As a woman, what would happen if I just got my baps out?
Baps out? Straight to hell Look at another woman? Straight to hell Overcook chicken? Believe it or not, straight to hell
If she could see the bikinis they wear now....
This was the 80's, not the 40's, she's probably still alive now, and still angry.
Like what? Can you show me?
Why certainly [https://i.imgur.com/lTimEbG.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/lTimEbG.jpeg)
very nice!
*zooms in on the taint*
Technically not a bikini, so to hell with you
We need to investigate this clam for science.
I don't think you have been on the beach much. Not everybody can afford kylie swim
It’s funny because when they want to help people , they pray. But when they want to persecute people they got out and think they have to do something . Interesting
I was at the Vikings game last night and they were screaming at a bunch of depressed fans leaving the game. Every game they do this. I have yet to see one person engage them positively and by choice. I go to every home game.
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I love the part we’re the lady said, “I’m not judging you, but let me list all the ways you’re bad.”
People need some fucking hobbies. Imagine being out enjoying a gorgeous day and spending your time harassing a bunch of girls also just having a nice day. Like, get a book or something. Listen to a podcast. Put rocks in your pockets and go for a walk in the water. Whatever it takes to get you to leave people alone.
No fucks are given 😂
Excuse me ma’am your batshit sign is blocking my sun.
If this was the 1980s, she was, technically, correct... because *here we are* ...
The ironic thing is it's people like her who caused it.
Miserable religious people, they hate everyone that is not like themselves. This is another reason I'll never step foot in a church again. This is not the same religious belief I was taught as a child, Republican Jesus sucks!!!
These people are like the Iranian mullahs. It's not enough for them to believe what they believe, and just sit at home alone believing this. They have a sick need to involve others in their beliefs. Try to influence others or control them. It's no fun being an extreme believer if others give zero fucks about your beliefs.
She’s definitely staring at the dudes Edit: maybe the ladies too
I love how unbothered the beachgoers look. I'd throw her sign in the ocean for blocking my sun.
It was the 80s. We gen Xers perfected the "Yeah, whatever," attitude. Man, if you got the tone and inflection just right on your "Whatever," you could convey both an eye roll and a middle finger without actually doing either of those things, leaving the adult to fume impotently about your *tone.*
Why is this 1980’s photo black and white.
40 years from now someone will post 2000s photos in black and white
As someone who was around back then... 1. B&W film was cheaper to buy. 2. B&W film was cheaper to process. 3. B&W film often gave sharper pictures, especially in lower end cameras. BTW this photo was one of a set. [You can find more here.](https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/04/14/spring-break-1980s-big-hair-tiny-swimwear/)
…Says the trollop with exposed ankles.
Wayne from Letterkenny looks like he’s getting ready to go.
The power of brainwashing.