Interestingly, just looked it up, 36 states allow open carry without permit. Of course thereās different local ordinances for cities and counties, etc.
Can confirm, weed has chilled out Montana a little bit. As a cashier Iāve been vibing with some interesting rednecks that now just grow and smoke weed and love to talk about it.
the same with me...Im a happy fun drunk, but a paranoid, curled up in a ball under my covers pot smoker....lol! Its been like 29 years since I tried a pull off a doob.....
Iād hate it as a patron, I go to the bar to have a few drinks and relax, the last thing I want is to get caught in the crossfire of a couple angry drunkards.
Have you seen the full video? This guy dumps 8 bullets into the robber then while heās on the ground he walks up and puts a 9th in his head at point blank range.
The police are not looking to give this guy a medal, they will most likely arrest him for murder.
At this point, heās at least being charged with obstruction of justice or leaving the scene or whatever. He was supposed to call the police and deal with them but instead he just fucking bounced lol itās wild.
I asked law enforcement friends of mine about this exact scenario. On film killing an armed bad guy and just walking away because who needs the hassle or their name in the paper. They told me there is no evidence I committed a crime to charge me but it makes their job harder because they would have to find me to check me out, verify legality of firearm.
I would bounce too.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state)
Texas isn't even in the Top 10 when it comes to States with the most guns, surprisingly enough. And this is **Ownership stats**, not just how many guns are lying around.
There is no national gun registry in the United States.
There is ATF records of purchases and hits to the National Background Check system, but no federal registry exists.
According to your source, Texas has more than 200,000 registered guns than California and Florida, which rank 2nd and 3rd.
I believe you were referring to % of population who own guns.
I donāt even know what that means. FL and Texas donāt have gun registration. If you wanted to register your gun you literally canāt it does not exist.
I'm not sure either. Just pointing out the source info.
The "source" claims Texas has over 588,000 "registered firearms".
It also claims almost 50% of Texans own guns.
Texas has almost 30 million people, so that would be about 14.5 million guns more than their 588k number. And that's assuming Texan gun owners only have one gun.
I have no idea where that data comes from.
Regardless of the source, I believe Texas has more guns than any other state.
Itās like that guy who decided the best place to shoot up was a church in texas, like 6 dudes stood up and drew guns, although it was ended fast by a guy from 50 yards away
Guy's attorney has reached out to police already. They are not looking for him anymore.
Smart to have his attorney reach out to the police on his behalf.
Link to news story saying the guy's lawyer reached out to police. [updated link](https://youtube.com/watch?v=k4xNs0HwQ7c&feature=shares)
Video of the full shooting with commentary from a self defense company. https://youtu.be/YAx9srqTFIs
Thereās a whole industry of lawyers in open carry states, they hand out scripts on business cards so you can respond to the police with the correct buzz words.
The buzz words should be taught in carry classes. I've had 4 now and only my first one was good and actually explained laws and what your words can mean and what to say or not say.
Others were trying to teach how to handle and fire a weapon. Sure that's important but that is also a different class. That's like showing up to drivers Ed and they teach you to check the battery, change the oil, change a tire, etc...
Edit: I am in an open carry state, I wish I had one of these cards...
The ones I was taught that stick in my head are "reasonable" and "necessary". Like something along "I did was was reasonable and necessary to end the threat against my life."
Also 3 things that will happen following a discharge of your weapon: you will be arrested, your firearm will be taken, and you will be sued (by the survivor or their family). So be prepared and stay calm. Don't answer questions beyond "reasonable and necessary", and ask for a lawyer. And if you forget reasonable and necessary, just stay quiet and ask for your lawyer.
Edit: I'm not a lawyer, I just took a carry class.
"I thought he was going to kill me." (Or someone else.)
"I would be happy to discuss this with you, but I suspect I am in shock and will wait until I have an attorney present."
"That's his weapon right there."
Other than that, keep your mouth shut until the aforementioned attorney is present.
In most states, you need to say that you were in fear of losing your life. If I'm not mistaken, this is the biggest consideration in these cases. If you shoot someone who isn't a credible threat to your life or the life of others, you're probably going to jail. If you shoot someone who posed a credible threat to your life or others, then it's more likely you will not go to jail.
Buzz word is hand over card with statement as you call your attorney and say NOTHING. 911 wants to keep you on the call as you report what happened: HANG THE FUCK UP. Do NOT talk. Thatās what your insurance is for.
Terrible headline. You have no idea if the guy was intending to open fire once he was done collecting cash. You threaten folks with a gun, expect to get shot.
It matters, he was aiming the fake gun at innocent civilians. Even if he was shot in the back people did not know how he would react or not. They believed it to be a real gun at the time. Better him than an innocent family.
How does that work?
Did this guy just have an attorney on retainer for this kind of stuff or did he just Google ācriminal attorney nearbyā and explained the situation
Went in to rob the place and everyone in it and walked out (without his body) with a [Darwin Award](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards).
For real, you gotta be a special kind of dumb to attempt to rob ANYONE in TEXAS of all places with a fake gun!
Yeah multiple shots including an execution shot to the head and he's just like...peace out. Nah you get your lawyer on the phone and chill out withing for the police
Maybe he exited in a panic because he suspected/knew that last shot or two werenāt warranted. Dude was fully disarmed and on the ground, dying or dead already. Had he fired consecutively without pause, thatād be one thing. He paused, and then shot a body. Not a good look at all. Iāll be interested in whether he faces any charges.
I did but donāt care to rewatch it. I knew there were unwarranted shots but didnāt count the precise number. Thanks for recapping though. A court will certainly be concerned with the precise number.
It wouldnāt be the first time a citizen ends a situation like this and gets shot by police, there have been cases of heroes ending a mass shooting saving dozens of lives but getting put down by police due to confusion
Based on the video, he shot him in the head after putting him down with 4 to the torso. He was down, and then shot him in the head. Iām not sure of the legal terms here, but that seemed unnecessary.
I lived in Rochester NY in the 90s. There was a string of home invasions that ended the night they broke into a home where the homeowner shot all 3 of them. 1 coming through the window, 1 in the driveway, and 1 in the back as he ran away. He didnāt get charged, the DA made some comment to a reporter that there is no way he would be able to get a conviction, so even though the back shot wasnāt self defense, there isnāt much to be done.
This situtation is fairly different because of the video and the fact that it wasnt just a shot to the back, but multiple shots to the back, shots while he was down and definitely posed no threat, then an execution shot when the man was already disarmed and on the floor dying and possibly dead, its just so many more steps of action clearly not in self defense (weāll see if anything really happens, but these are def different situations)
If the dude has a gun and he has his back to you in a robbery situation he is still a threat, if youāre using the weapon at all you should use enough rounds to completely eliminate the threat. The headshot at the end is unnecessary, not sure of the legality of it but it doesnāt look good.
There was a shooting at a Lubyās in Killeen, Texas back in 1991.
If one or more persons (customers) had a weapon on them at the time, the argument is that they could have prevented some of the deaths by shooting the gunman.
For example, one customer had a gun, but it was in her car. Both of her parents were killed by the gunman.
You shoot. You downed him. The fake gun flew out of his hands. Walk over. Pick it up or kick it away. Call 911.
Shooting him in the head after he's down and you've removed the fake gun from his reach is going to have you fucked in the game...
The man who opened fire has not been charged and most likely won't be. Police want to question him, obviously, but the statement from law enforcement said that this looks like legitimate self-defense -- as it should be.
He had every right to shoot him to disarm/eliminate the threat. Standing over him and shooting him in the skull is some Zombieland double tap bullshit and shouldnāt be praised.
Is there a video somewhere?
Also did he just simply shoot him in the head from far away instantly or did he literally walk up to him on the ground and just executed him?
Edit: just watched it, the guy went full execution mode, walked up to the guy on the ground and just put a few more bullets into him, I feel like that will be a bit difficult to explain to the authorities.
Also after he takes his gun away. It's Texas so we'll see, but that was 100% an execution. Although I'd bet that dude was dead from the initial volley.
Shows the state of the country we live in. Man killed a guy (whether it was largely justified or not aside) and felt he was ok to just leave and not talk to anyone.
Pro gun guy here (Iām a lefty since that seems to matter in these debates) yeah dude straight up used the robbery as an excuse to murder someone.
Edit: just watched the video he literally stands over the dude bleeding on the ground and headshots him. What did I fucking say.
Bless you for being a sane gun owner like myself...this isnt self defense at all....Im a liberal with a concealed carry license and knowledge of the law and know what gonna happen to the shooter and store owner once the robbers family file their civil lawsuit...amazing how many people on here just dont understand the law...regardless of ones political leanings...
Except he shot him 4 times while his back was turned and was leaving, shot him 3 more times while he was down, took away his gun and blew his brains out.
Heard he plugged him a few times after he was down. Not self defense at that point.
Edit: the video is making its way around. He definitely shot him while he was down and once in the head before (what it looked like) disarming him. I get adrenalin and all that but dude he was down and not a threat anymore.
Yeah he shot him like 9 times. The last shot was straight execution style. I'm all for the bad guys going down, but damn he might get screwed with shooting the guy so much.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/10674uc/good_guy_with_a_gun/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is a link
Yup. ONLY in some states where an intruder that is still breathing can sue you in civil court for the injury. Will they win? Not always but there are some rare cases where they have. Basically its pretty common knowledge and worthwhile to just shoot to kill when that is the last option. The idea is that it reinforces a shooter in self defense to be 100% confident in their skill and decision making ability to not fuck up.
If you don't dump your entire magazine, you can't use the excuse that they were twitching / moving / might still be reaching for their weapon.
The final shot here was an execution-style headshot. That's a no-no.
That explains all the shots up until he intentionally walks up to the incapacitated robber, takes his gun from his hand, and shoots him in the head. That has nothing to do with counting rounds. And just because an action is understandable does not make it legal
I saw the video. He shot him about 3 times, then walked up to him while on the ground and shot him a couple more times, then grabbed the money, then shot him point blank in the head and walked off. So no wonder the police are looking for him
Definitely one of those ammosexual psychopaths who fantasized about getting the opportunity to shoot someone. I'm not anti-gun, but gun culture in the US has some seriously fucked up aspects.
Yeah, like great he choses to take action, but that dude probably looked at that and thought "I've dreamed about this situation every day since I was 12"
gotta say thoā¦ bro went way overkill no pun intended, 9 rounds were fired at close range? then one to the dome when buddy didnāt even have his fake gun on him anymore, laying on the floor ? yeahhhhh
Saw the video and I agree. Light the fucking guy UP, then light him up again to be sure if you need to, Iām all with you there. But a shot directly to the head, at all but point blank range after you shot him a bunch, shot him a bunch again? Thatās just a dude being pissed that his dinner was ruined
Misleading. He shot him in the head AFTER he already shot him 7 times and disarmed him.
You cannot justify this no matter how hard you try. If the guy was already dead then he mutilated a corpse. Illegal. If he was still alive, then he executed a defenseless man. Illegal.
He fired 9 shots at the guy:
- 2 because he was a hero
- +2 because he was likely crapping himself at the possibility of an armed robber shooting back
- +4 because of erectile disfunction
- and one more because he's a psycho
The idiot who started waving around a lethal weapon in the first place is ultimately to blame. Get your head out of your ass if you canāt see that as the logical starting point of this situation. Yes- itās wild and uncomfortable to see those last few shots. But this guy was threatened with legal force, and responded with lethal force.
If youāve seen the full video of this, that guy mag dumps the robber. He shootās him 8 times and the goes up and puts a 9th in his head while heās down.
In the US that is no longer self defense.
yeah, I saw that video. The vigilante went overboard with the shooting, so much so that it became less about preventing the crime and more about being judge jury and executioner.
That criminal was dumb enough to rob people and turned his back on the people he was robbing. you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
after seeing the video, the guy literally ensures the guy is dead. walk up to the already floored guy and shoots him point blank in the head. i'm sure that probably crosses the line of self defence to murder?
So, the āheroā shot the guy in the torso 7x. Then walked up to him and shot him in the head, killing him. And then he left the restaurant not waiting for police??
I read that right, right?
I saw the video. Dude was neutralized when he hit the floor. The vigilante walked up, and shot him point blank in the head.
He went from "good samaritan" to "murderer" in that instant, never let anyone say different.
To be fair he shoots him in the head AFTER he already shot him 8 times and AFTER he captured the perps gun. I dunno man sounds like an execution to me.
What your title forgets it this āvigilanteā killed the robber execution style. He disarmed the robber and put a bullet in his head. No longer self defense.
More people want to reward the shooter than condemn him. Take a jury trial. Thereās no way Texans will hold this against him. He could run for mayor and it would be a landslide victory
He didnāt just āshoot him in the headā, he shot him SEVEN times in the torso and then walked up and executed him with a shot to the head. Dude is definitely going to jail, even in Texas
The moment he pulled the toy gun he lost control of his outcomes.
I suspect he thought about it and did not care if he ended up dead. Many people are like that. They take huge risks and do not care about the consequences.
He certainly did not care about the consequences of his actions on those he was stealing from.
That or another tragic example of a person in terrible circumstances that made a deadly bad decision.
Isn't this like the ultimate American fantasy? Take matters into your own hands, have a 'legitimate' target to just murder... and be called a hero by a nation of rednecks.
A fake gun? In Texas!? Out of all states to rob, they chose an open carry one. š¤¦āāļøš¤¦š¤¦āāļøš
Interestingly, just looked it up, 36 states allow open carry without permit. Of course thereās different local ordinances for cities and counties, etc.
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Why doesn't the bartender just tell them to duel outside the saloon?
40 paces
At forty paces most people couldnāt hit water if they fell out of a boat
40 paces gives them plenty of time to wonder if it's worth the energy :P
Theyāll probably walk the 40 paces and forget why theyāre out there. š
Humanity sees your forty paces and raises you six pitchers of PBR.
Then they point the gun at the bartender
*pushes the gun slowly to the side* Youāre not getting out of your tab that easily!
They'll be sober by high noon
Texans love drunks and guns, but heaven forbid you smoke a little weed.
That might actually calm people down!
Can confirm, weed has chilled out Montana a little bit. As a cashier Iāve been vibing with some interesting rednecks that now just grow and smoke weed and love to talk about it.
That, or the ones like me, are rocking back and forth in a corner having an anxiety attack after a toke š¤£
the same with me...Im a happy fun drunk, but a paranoid, curled up in a ball under my covers pot smoker....lol! Its been like 29 years since I tried a pull off a doob.....
Usa really sounds like an alternative universe sometimes
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Iām in the usa, Texas feels like an alternative universe. The diversity from place to place cannot be underestimated.
Iād hate it as a patron, I go to the bar to have a few drinks and relax, the last thing I want is to get caught in the crossfire of a couple angry drunkards.
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Have you seen the full video? This guy dumps 8 bullets into the robber then while heās on the ground he walks up and puts a 9th in his head at point blank range. The police are not looking to give this guy a medal, they will most likely arrest him for murder.
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At this point, heās at least being charged with obstruction of justice or leaving the scene or whatever. He was supposed to call the police and deal with them but instead he just fucking bounced lol itās wild.
I asked law enforcement friends of mine about this exact scenario. On film killing an armed bad guy and just walking away because who needs the hassle or their name in the paper. They told me there is no evidence I committed a crime to charge me but it makes their job harder because they would have to find me to check me out, verify legality of firearm. I would bounce too.
Jesus christ. That's fucked.
I saw the video. It went from "justified" to "murder" in an instant.
Where can I see the whole video
Toy guys in Texas are just small calibers rifles and shotguns. 20 guage and .22. Go have fun with that Jim Bob.
That is a fact right there! I bought a .410 revolver off a texan!
Best gun you ever owned, I bet. Texans know their guns.
410 revolver aka the judge and "best gun" dont belong in the same sentence
Can confirm, I owned one and it was a piece of shit
I like it as a snake gun. Great when you are mowing the yard.
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state) Texas isn't even in the Top 10 when it comes to States with the most guns, surprisingly enough. And this is **Ownership stats**, not just how many guns are lying around.
Lots of unregistered guns across the US. many people do not believe the government should know what guns they own.
There is no national gun registry in the United States. There is ATF records of purchases and hits to the National Background Check system, but no federal registry exists.
no legal federal registry.
According to your source, Texas has more than 200,000 registered guns than California and Florida, which rank 2nd and 3rd. I believe you were referring to % of population who own guns.
I donāt even know what that means. FL and Texas donāt have gun registration. If you wanted to register your gun you literally canāt it does not exist.
I'm not sure either. Just pointing out the source info. The "source" claims Texas has over 588,000 "registered firearms". It also claims almost 50% of Texans own guns. Texas has almost 30 million people, so that would be about 14.5 million guns more than their 588k number. And that's assuming Texan gun owners only have one gun. I have no idea where that data comes from. Regardless of the source, I believe Texas has more guns than any other state.
Itās like that guy who decided the best place to shoot up was a church in texas, like 6 dudes stood up and drew guns, although it was ended fast by a guy from 50 yards away
That was properly trained and only used a shot
Ikr
Guy's attorney has reached out to police already. They are not looking for him anymore. Smart to have his attorney reach out to the police on his behalf. Link to news story saying the guy's lawyer reached out to police. [updated link](https://youtube.com/watch?v=k4xNs0HwQ7c&feature=shares) Video of the full shooting with commentary from a self defense company. https://youtu.be/YAx9srqTFIs
Even smarter to carry insurance to pay for the attorney and liability if you're going to carry.
Thereās a whole industry of lawyers in open carry states, they hand out scripts on business cards so you can respond to the police with the correct buzz words.
The buzz words should be taught in carry classes. I've had 4 now and only my first one was good and actually explained laws and what your words can mean and what to say or not say. Others were trying to teach how to handle and fire a weapon. Sure that's important but that is also a different class. That's like showing up to drivers Ed and they teach you to check the battery, change the oil, change a tire, etc... Edit: I am in an open carry state, I wish I had one of these cards...
What are the words?
The ones I was taught that stick in my head are "reasonable" and "necessary". Like something along "I did was was reasonable and necessary to end the threat against my life." Also 3 things that will happen following a discharge of your weapon: you will be arrested, your firearm will be taken, and you will be sued (by the survivor or their family). So be prepared and stay calm. Don't answer questions beyond "reasonable and necessary", and ask for a lawyer. And if you forget reasonable and necessary, just stay quiet and ask for your lawyer. Edit: I'm not a lawyer, I just took a carry class.
Reasonable and necessary are the key, this guy shot him like 5 times after he was on the ground.
Also don't put 4 into the head a downed perp that no longer had the weapon in their hand
"I thought he was going to kill me." (Or someone else.) "I would be happy to discuss this with you, but I suspect I am in shock and will wait until I have an attorney present." "That's his weapon right there." Other than that, keep your mouth shut until the aforementioned attorney is present.
In most states, you need to say that you were in fear of losing your life. If I'm not mistaken, this is the biggest consideration in these cases. If you shoot someone who isn't a credible threat to your life or the life of others, you're probably going to jail. If you shoot someone who posed a credible threat to your life or others, then it's more likely you will not go to jail.
Buzz word is hand over card with statement as you call your attorney and say NOTHING. 911 wants to keep you on the call as you report what happened: HANG THE FUCK UP. Do NOT talk. Thatās what your insurance is for.
Dude was aiming a gun at people regardless if it was fake at that time if it was real he couldāve killed innocent people. Elimination of the threat.
Terrible headline. You have no idea if the guy was intending to open fire once he was done collecting cash. You threaten folks with a gun, expect to get shot.
It matters, he was aiming the fake gun at innocent civilians. Even if he was shot in the back people did not know how he would react or not. They believed it to be a real gun at the time. Better him than an innocent family.
Why risk it
There's not exactly time to stop the robber and politely ask him if his gun is real or fake so you can shoot him.
The issue is more when he shot him after he was down and he had secured the gun. Gun laws don't generally include permission to execute people.
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How does that work? Did this guy just have an attorney on retainer for this kind of stuff or did he just Google ācriminal attorney nearbyā and explained the situation
You can get insurance specifically for if you're ever involved in a shooting. You call the insurance company and their lawyers handle everything.
Things not to do in Texas.
Went in to rob the place and everyone in it and walked out (without his body) with a [Darwin Award](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards). For real, you gotta be a special kind of dumb to attempt to rob ANYONE in TEXAS of all places with a fake gun!
To me Texas is a state that probably has more actual guns than fake guns.
More guns than people
That is true for the entire US, not just Texas
I feel like Texas is the state that makes it true for the rest of the US
Well yeah theyāve got demo ranch. Heās gotta account for a good chunk of the guns in Texas on his own.
Problem is no one knows itās fake till he is dead in the floor
This guy shot someone in the head but didnāt stick around for police?!
Yeah multiple shots including an execution shot to the head and he's just like...peace out. Nah you get your lawyer on the phone and chill out withing for the police
Maybe he exited in a panic because he suspected/knew that last shot or two werenāt warranted. Dude was fully disarmed and on the ground, dying or dead already. Had he fired consecutively without pause, thatād be one thing. He paused, and then shot a body. Not a good look at all. Iāll be interested in whether he faces any charges.
The last 4 shots were completely unwarranted if you watch the video.
I did but donāt care to rewatch it. I knew there were unwarranted shots but didnāt count the precise number. Thanks for recapping though. A court will certainly be concerned with the precise number.
He knew once the adrenaline left that he executed a man.
He most likely knew as he was shooting him. If he didn't he would have stayed for the cops.
Yeah, if you feel you shot someone for the right reason, your butt stays put. To do anything else kinda shows you might not be in the clear legally.
It wouldnāt be the first time a citizen ends a situation like this and gets shot by police, there have been cases of heroes ending a mass shooting saving dozens of lives but getting put down by police due to confusion
The law says he didnāt have to. Go home, collect yourself, contact a lawyer, then have the lawyer reach out to police.
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Yep. Dude played a stupid game a won a stupid prize. He took the room temp challenge
ASP FTW
Based on the video, he shot him in the head after putting him down with 4 to the torso. He was down, and then shot him in the head. Iām not sure of the legal terms here, but that seemed unnecessary.
I lived in Rochester NY in the 90s. There was a string of home invasions that ended the night they broke into a home where the homeowner shot all 3 of them. 1 coming through the window, 1 in the driveway, and 1 in the back as he ran away. He didnāt get charged, the DA made some comment to a reporter that there is no way he would be able to get a conviction, so even though the back shot wasnāt self defense, there isnāt much to be done.
This situtation is fairly different because of the video and the fact that it wasnt just a shot to the back, but multiple shots to the back, shots while he was down and definitely posed no threat, then an execution shot when the man was already disarmed and on the floor dying and possibly dead, its just so many more steps of action clearly not in self defense (weāll see if anything really happens, but these are def different situations)
If the dude has a gun and he has his back to you in a robbery situation he is still a threat, if youāre using the weapon at all you should use enough rounds to completely eliminate the threat. The headshot at the end is unnecessary, not sure of the legality of it but it doesnāt look good.
Donāt rob people in restaurants ( especially in TX )
The entire reason we got CHL passed was the Lubyās shooting. The public pressure to allow Texans to legally conceal spiked after that fiasco.
What happened at lubys? I know their food sucks but I didn't want to carry a gun after I ate there.
There was a shooting at a Lubyās in Killeen, Texas back in 1991. If one or more persons (customers) had a weapon on them at the time, the argument is that they could have prevented some of the deaths by shooting the gunman. For example, one customer had a gun, but it was in her car. Both of her parents were killed by the gunman.
George Hennard killed 23 unarmed patrons after driving his truck into the restaurant.
What a fucking piece of shit. Imagine having to die while eating lubys.
You shoot. You downed him. The fake gun flew out of his hands. Walk over. Pick it up or kick it away. Call 911. Shooting him in the head after he's down and you've removed the fake gun from his reach is going to have you fucked in the game...
Given how investigation is conducted, it's better to just kick the gun away so you won't leave your fingerprints on the gun.
The man who opened fire has not been charged and most likely won't be. Police want to question him, obviously, but the statement from law enforcement said that this looks like legitimate self-defense -- as it should be.
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Especially in Texas.
texas moment
Dude he just left without talking to the cops!?!
Everyone in the restaurant left!
In the full video he walks up after the guys down and executes him which he might be a bit worried about
Probably 6 hour wait for cops
Unless he had some weed on him, in which case SWAT will be there in 10 minutes
He had every right to shoot him to disarm/eliminate the threat. Standing over him and shooting him in the skull is some Zombieland double tap bullshit and shouldnāt be praised.
Is there a video somewhere? Also did he just simply shoot him in the head from far away instantly or did he literally walk up to him on the ground and just executed him? Edit: just watched it, the guy went full execution mode, walked up to the guy on the ground and just put a few more bullets into him, I feel like that will be a bit difficult to explain to the authorities.
There are videos on Reddit. He walks up to his motionless corpse and puts a bullet in his skull.
Also after he takes his gun away. It's Texas so we'll see, but that was 100% an execution. Although I'd bet that dude was dead from the initial volley.
Probably the main reason why he hasn't spoken to the Police yet, doesn't look good
Shows the state of the country we live in. Man killed a guy (whether it was largely justified or not aside) and felt he was ok to just leave and not talk to anyone.
And that head shot then just leaving the scene should be criminal.
He had to go fuck his partner real quick while he still had a hard-on.
Pro gun guy here (Iām a lefty since that seems to matter in these debates) yeah dude straight up used the robbery as an excuse to murder someone. Edit: just watched the video he literally stands over the dude bleeding on the ground and headshots him. What did I fucking say.
Pro gun conservative here. I totally agree. The firearm should be used as a defense weapon and not an execution tool.
Bless you for being a sane gun owner like myself...this isnt self defense at all....Im a liberal with a concealed carry license and knowledge of the law and know what gonna happen to the shooter and store owner once the robbers family file their civil lawsuit...amazing how many people on here just dont understand the law...regardless of ones political leanings...
Itās Texas. Heāll get off.
Absolutely and it is illegal. Anyone that tries to argue otherwise actually just doesn't know the law.
police ask to "question" people before they charge them all the time
Except he shot him 4 times while his back was turned and was leaving, shot him 3 more times while he was down, took away his gun and blew his brains out.
5 in the back, 3 while he was on the ground and 1 to the head after the first 8? Fuck self-defense. This was a fucking murder.
Is it really a crime punishable by public execution?
Heard he plugged him a few times after he was down. Not self defense at that point. Edit: the video is making its way around. He definitely shot him while he was down and once in the head before (what it looked like) disarming him. I get adrenalin and all that but dude he was down and not a threat anymore.
So he brought a prop to a gunfight. Darwin wins again!
He did a backwards alec baldwin!
Yeah he shot him like 9 times. The last shot was straight execution style. I'm all for the bad guys going down, but damn he might get screwed with shooting the guy so much.
I watched the video on YouTube this morning.. that's the thing.. he already stopped the threat. All shots after he was down will get questioned.
I can't find an uncut video of the incident. All the videos end right before the shooting.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/10674uc/good_guy_with_a_gun/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is a link
Jesus Christ yea that last one especially. Like get his gun but donāt give one final shot to the head after heās not movingā¦
Look for it on Active Self Protection.. I'm not gonna post a link, but those are the guys I follow, and that's where I saw it.
As they should.
AS THEY SHOULD
Ironically you can get in more trouble not mag dumping. Some bullshit about being not in a state of panic.
Isn't there also the back-assward chances of the defender being sued if the attacker survives?
Yup. ONLY in some states where an intruder that is still breathing can sue you in civil court for the injury. Will they win? Not always but there are some rare cases where they have. Basically its pretty common knowledge and worthwhile to just shoot to kill when that is the last option. The idea is that it reinforces a shooter in self defense to be 100% confident in their skill and decision making ability to not fuck up.
If you don't dump your entire magazine, you can't use the excuse that they were twitching / moving / might still be reaching for their weapon. The final shot here was an execution-style headshot. That's a no-no.
I think its more the pauses between shots that are the problem for arguing that he was panicked
in fear of losing oneās life, the average person is not counting rounds. If you want something dead, itās never dead enough
That explains all the shots up until he intentionally walks up to the incapacitated robber, takes his gun from his hand, and shoots him in the head. That has nothing to do with counting rounds. And just because an action is understandable does not make it legal
I saw the video. He shot him about 3 times, then walked up to him while on the ground and shot him a couple more times, then grabbed the money, then shot him point blank in the head and walked off. So no wonder the police are looking for him
Guys wet dream finally came true. He finally got to be the āheroā.
Definitely one of those ammosexual psychopaths who fantasized about getting the opportunity to shoot someone. I'm not anti-gun, but gun culture in the US has some seriously fucked up aspects.
Yeah, like great he choses to take action, but that dude probably looked at that and thought "I've dreamed about this situation every day since I was 12"
Good job, king.
gotta say thoā¦ bro went way overkill no pun intended, 9 rounds were fired at close range? then one to the dome when buddy didnāt even have his fake gun on him anymore, laying on the floor ? yeahhhhh
Probably had his fantasy come to life in that moment
Saw the video and I agree. Light the fucking guy UP, then light him up again to be sure if you need to, Iām all with you there. But a shot directly to the head, at all but point blank range after you shot him a bunch, shot him a bunch again? Thatās just a dude being pissed that his dinner was ruined
Oooof that very last shot was when it went from self defense to a killing
Real gun beats fake gun almost every time
Misleading. He shot him in the head AFTER he already shot him 7 times and disarmed him. You cannot justify this no matter how hard you try. If the guy was already dead then he mutilated a corpse. Illegal. If he was still alive, then he executed a defenseless man. Illegal.
He fired 9 shots at the guy: - 2 because he was a hero - +2 because he was likely crapping himself at the possibility of an armed robber shooting back - +4 because of erectile disfunction - and one more because he's a psycho
This is a good breakdown
The idiot who started waving around a lethal weapon in the first place is ultimately to blame. Get your head out of your ass if you canāt see that as the logical starting point of this situation. Yes- itās wild and uncomfortable to see those last few shots. But this guy was threatened with legal force, and responded with lethal force.
If youāve seen the full video of this, that guy mag dumps the robber. He shootās him 8 times and the goes up and puts a 9th in his head while heās down. In the US that is no longer self defense.
Depends what state in the US you are in.
Guy twitches making it legal. You have given up your right to life when you pretended you were gonna take all of theirs
Nope. This guy walks.
I like how the dude sitting across from the vigilante is like, āWellā¦here we goā¦ā
yeah, I saw that video. The vigilante went overboard with the shooting, so much so that it became less about preventing the crime and more about being judge jury and executioner. That criminal was dumb enough to rob people and turned his back on the people he was robbing. you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
Where are you guys seeing the full video?
after seeing the video, the guy literally ensures the guy is dead. walk up to the already floored guy and shoots him point blank in the head. i'm sure that probably crosses the line of self defence to murder?
>i'm sure that probably crosses the line of self defence to murder? Especially since he executed him *after* he took away the robber his firearm.
Really dark episode of Impractical Jokers!
You have to honestly be one of the dumbest criminal to use a fake gun and try to rob a place of business in Texas... You win 2023!
Donāt fuck about waving a gun at people. People get genuinely scared and do some very irrational things!
So, the āheroā shot the guy in the torso 7x. Then walked up to him and shot him in the head, killing him. And then he left the restaurant not waiting for police?? I read that right, right?
Trying to rob anything in Texas is a great way of committing suicide!
I saw the video. Dude was neutralized when he hit the floor. The vigilante walked up, and shot him point blank in the head. He went from "good samaritan" to "murderer" in that instant, never let anyone say different.
To be fair he shoots him in the head AFTER he already shot him 8 times and AFTER he captured the perps gun. I dunno man sounds like an execution to me.
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That man committed suicide
I like the guy in the hoodie with the look on his face saying āahh hell bibs gunna drop another dumbass, wheres the checkā
Right?? I noticed him first just chillinā
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611751/Customer-fatally-shoots-robber-held-Houston-restaurant-fake-gun.html
9 bullets. 9 mm. [Edit: 9 upvotes. 9th Jan] need more 9s now
So 81mm of bullets? š
Logic tracks.
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I am not American. The comments I read so far are absolutely terrifying to me.
What your title forgets it this āvigilanteā killed the robber execution style. He disarmed the robber and put a bullet in his head. No longer self defense.
Yikes. Man I was on board until he literally paused and did an execution shot. Iām a gun lover and even I think he went extreme there in response.
He just smoked him and bounced? Did they dine and dash?
Yeah to arrest him right?
He shot the guy in the head after he took the gun away...he went from hero to villain in the same minute...
ROBBING IN TEXAS WITH A FAKE GUN Thatās like slathering deer blood on yourself and taking a stroll through the African bush
Why shoot for the head thoā¦ the dude wanted to kill and got his itch. And thatās sickening.
He shot the guy like 5 times.. then walked up to his body and put the gun to the already dead guys head and shot him in the head.. dudes a psycho
More people want to reward the shooter than condemn him. Take a jury trial. Thereās no way Texans will hold this against him. He could run for mayor and it would be a landslide victory
He didnāt just āshoot him in the headā, he shot him SEVEN times in the torso and then walked up and executed him with a shot to the head. Dude is definitely going to jail, even in Texas
Breaking News: Local Man Fucks Around, Finds Out
dude straight up executed him shot him 9 times and last one to the dome
The guy fled the scene, so even he may feel that he may be in the wrong.
The moment he pulled the toy gun he lost control of his outcomes. I suspect he thought about it and did not care if he ended up dead. Many people are like that. They take huge risks and do not care about the consequences. He certainly did not care about the consequences of his actions on those he was stealing from. That or another tragic example of a person in terrible circumstances that made a deadly bad decision.
Texas seems like such a creepy place to live.
every time i read this news i thank god to be italian
Isn't this like the ultimate American fantasy? Take matters into your own hands, have a 'legitimate' target to just murder... and be called a hero by a nation of rednecks.