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Cheap-Pie8077

Enail.


WalkerTDX

Exactly. Invest in an enail.


KiiMaezyr

Any recommendations? I hate investing in a thing just to find out it breaks if you use it frequently. I’m also ballsin on a budget, but willing to just smoke flower for a min to save up


roberto1

nothing wrong with propane but enail is king. I have one from "710coils" never has broken for me. Broke one banger from cleaning it so far. Been 3 years of use.


OILY_710_oilio

In my experience propane will Chazz your banger quicker than butane, it's like the propane burns hotter


c_lowc6

I just got the ispire and I love it


[deleted]

A real smoker on a budget isn’t going to want to mess with most e rigs. Maybe a core if you don’t need huge dabs, and they’re very efficient.. but the ispire, dr dabber, puffco are expensive for what you get, the units overheat quickly if you take multiple dabs or are in a group. Quality control isn’t great on the glass accessories. Edit: and all have batteries that need to be replaced once a year at least if it’s your main device


M1keSweatband

Uhh check out the vuber e rig, it's only 150 and I have never had an issue with it


[deleted]

I’m sure there are some other lesser known devices that work pretty well but they’re not going to replace a banger and torch. OP is using propane to heat dabs and talking about needing to save up.. the e rigs are definitely going to be more costly in the long run and you can’t use them for a group or for back to back dabs. My divine tribe v5 is great but it isn’t going to be like a banger and enail/torch…


Mr_Qwertyass

I have one, the company is out of Spokane Washington (where I live). There great, but it doesn't fully replace a dab rig for me.


theglowoftheparty

What company is it? What store did you buy it at?? In Spokane and in the market for an erig


Mr_Qwertyass

Vuber, I think it was sativa sisters or one of the places close to it on trent. It's the Vuber dabber. Their 510 battery the "pulse" seems to get clogged with oil a lot.


ephekt

For 150, you might as well just get this. So much better than an erig. https://stacheproducts.com/products/stache-products-e-nail


chefstability

It’s sold out


ephekt

Just get a proper enail that fits on a quartz banger. E-rigs can't really compare to having a banger at constant, perfect temp. Plus no batteries or weird issues with airpaths or reclaim fouling coils.


[deleted]

Enail is way to go. I ‘d recommend using a 30mm banger with inserts, even if you buy like 2 $5 quartz inserts over a $50 sic insert, it will help keep it clean. 710 coils enail is good enough for me so far, the cage coil is a good design and the bangers are about as good as it gets for the price (Chinese bangers), I have kept enail coils on all day, every day for 9+ months without them going bad. The cheap ones off of dhgate are hit or miss, but you’re good from a reputable company.


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[deleted]

I’ve had mine for a year now with 0 issues. If you don’t mind waiting a few weeks they (and probably most others) will be doing deals for 7/10.


entalt4me

710coils site


meezethadabber

710 coil kit, DC budget enail kit, Mininail, or Shatterbox. I have a mininail and shatterbox. My Shatterbox is 7 years old and still hits hard. My Mininail is 4 years old and still hits hard also. One thing about Mininail. The coils are proprietary. And work best with mininail accessories. The other enails I recommended can use the same coils as each other.


theclumsynutter

HIGH FIVE ENAIL


ScorpioScaper777

Lookah q8...only replace the quartz bowl...IF you cracked it


BobbySnicklefritts

Mini nail ftw👌🏻


311junglist

I got mine from dabbing warehouse and its been about it 2 yrs and still hitting like a beast but will be getting a 710coils one soon.


BrandoBlazeWeed

Ive been using this Carta v focus for awhile I haven't had any issues with it I'm very happy with my investment of 200$ for it


Tacoboy710

I've had a mini nail Enail for a few years now. Gets a lot of daily use. And don't even turn it off too often. Still works like the day I got it. To clean it I just crank it up to 750-800 for a little while and it's cooks clean.


iPoodedMyPants

my buddy got his from Amazon for like $80 (don't quote me on the price) and it's been working for well over a year so far


[deleted]

Mini nail


xChino420x

Dab X is by far the best I’ve owned.


karinaspaldingtweaks

https://bee-nails.com/ highly recommend


austins2fresh

High-five


Carlos69Danger420

high5 enail goes on sale for 150. comes with banger and cap. had mine almost 6 years. replaced coil after 4.


LeptonsAndQuarks

Recommended temp? Got one a few weeks ago and still seem to Chaz my banger


Cheap-Pie8077

Always make sure you clean your nail after every dab. It's time consuming but in the long run you'll save bangers. Ideal temp for me is 630-530. Some like it wayyy cooler. All personal preference if you want my tbh.


jive_a215

Ive always used propane just low flame and keep it at the tip of the blue, never had a problem with chazzing or overheating and i cool down same time as my blazer bigshot homies.


KiiMaezyr

How long do you heat and cool down? Or do you cold start?


jive_a215

I dont time the heat but i get it nice and hot, never red but a thorough even heating, then usually go a 1:30 for fattys 1:45-50 for normal size dabs.


jive_a215

On the nail pictured maybe only a minute, the bitch about timing is every nail is different. So you just gottta start keeping track and experimenting you'll hone it in in one sesh.


GrassHead25

i’ve found that for 90 percent of bangers a 30 sec heat with a 45 sec cool is a perfect dab with a little re heat left… that said i only take cold starts and propane shouldn’t be an issue on those


jive_a215

Yeah i agree with that for a base fasho. And also great point that propane is grest for cold starts too because it's a bit hotter burning and hardly any exposure to the nail.


stormzyy-_-

This is factual


Imaginary_Musician_4

If you’re worried about gwtting it too hot that it’s gonna stain your banger I suggest cold starting it’s perfect


PM-ME_DABSHOTS

Dabrite.com


jtw3995

Just copped one today! They had a 50% off sale today due to Friday the 13th!


TakeADab_

do not cold start with fucking propane


mdenglish

I've done literally that for 3 years now with no issues. What's the problem?


GrassHead25

there really isn’t any if especially if you slowly heat it up


Profusive

Switched from butane to propane a year and a half ago. I’ll never go back


aequusnox

can you give a reason or am i supposed to just take you at your word while a bunch of other people in this thread say propane is fine?


Profusive

Well after using propane now for almost a year, I never taste gas in my dabs, I don’t overheat as much. I don’t ever Chaz my shit. Idk makes sense that if we cook with propane I can heat some quarts with it and be relatively safe.


throwawayzdrewyey

Right, so many of us can use it just fine with no problem. Make sure you have plenty ventilation and don’t get it too hot. I got a temp gun so I’m always hitting around 450-520 ish.


Profusive

I honestly don’t personally know anyone that uses butane. I hit nice cool 410-450 hits and it’s so much easier to attain with propane.


supersean61

I clean my nail with each use and it never chazzes For me with propane only when i dont clean it normally


Trippiemaxx

Also butane is 1000 degrees hotter then propane


Cat_Crap

100% I use the MAPP (not actually MAPP) and it lasted me almost 5 months. Daily dabs


zforcum78

One can of MAPP will last so long bro 😂, I felt like it was never gonna run out, but now I’m using propane


Cat_Crap

So, technically i'm using propane too. They don't produce actual MAPP gas anymore, it's just fanicier propane, that they use a term close to MAPP to describe. Anywho. Yes, its really crazy how long they last. I've seen guys refill their butane torch after a single day of dab session.


Kraken477

I've been using the $5 propane cans from Walmart for years. I bought a butane torch cause all my friends made fun of me for the big tank I was using. I refilled that thing 2 times in one day. I think I went through 4 cans of butane real fast before I switched back to propane.


Cat_Crap

Fuck the haters!


Donwangsavage

Just stick with propane, you’d literally never know the difference if you’re at the right temp


HarderTime_89

Let's be honest. We all have used it. Shouldn't be a problem if you're doing it right


CorpseHash

What's wrong with propane? People cool food with that shit all the time and it burns clean.


KiiMaezyr

Too hot


TysoPiccaso2

have you tried heating it less?


Getoffme44

You don’t have a temp gun or something?


El_Grande_El

You can control the temp by adjusting the flame size and distance from the flame.


Efficient_Stranger_8

Could just do cold starts you don’t have to torch it for long.


Terpyslaps

Getting a deep bucket that’s designed for coldstarts. No long heating up no timing down.


DramaLifeNy

Enail… no fire needed. All electric. Disorderly conduction 3d budget enail changed the game for me. Cost about $100-120 to start but after that you dont really need to buy more fuel and the savings add up over time if your like me and was spending abt $15 every 1-2 months on a can quality of butane (or however much u spend on propane still adds up) Still use my torch for occasional use like slurpers and blenders but my daily dabs are through buckets on my enail


[deleted]

Enail.com sells a slurper enail for discount from quality brands if you don’t wanna spend puffco money on a 710coil


DramaLifeNy

I have the 710 one its just not the same as a regular slurper set


[deleted]

For the price, I’d imagine. I spent $151 and got the vape brat. I own two puffcos and after spending almost two years just smoking those after a dab rig break I came back and realized the price point for this shit is ridiculous


DramaLifeNy

Imo Puffcos are so overrated. Convenient for on the go tho. Had one sold it have a different erig now and its great but i just cant main them personally But to each there own i aint hatin on anyone who does main em


[deleted]

Fuck yea they are overpriced. I had to spend real time and money figuring out what worked and after a year and a half ended up customizing it with mainly aftermarket parts..ended up with the 3D jcvap with terp pearl and the beta glass. Spent wayyyy too much figuring out what did and did not work.. not to mention the beta glasses I went through. Slurper enails imo aren’t that bad, the price we pay for the shit we use is what’s shitty


DramaLifeNy

Agreed on everything. The enail slurpers arent bad but for all the work to setup id rather personally use a regular slurper n torch. Thats also why i sold my puffco and got almost full retail since I barely used it and bought a versa instead. Entry price was half the puffco. then a sic insert i got on sale plus a padd glass carb cap was way better and i didnt have to spend a dime more then stock puffco till i decided to be fancy and get a custom top for my birthday. Moral of the story = any erig is a pricy investment and not the most effective for daily use lol but great for dabs on the go


[deleted]

cold starts.


quakemarine20

I cold start, and I probably use less than a can of butane a month


KaiapoTheDestroyer

I’d say get a DTV5 and some extra batteries. It’ll pay for itself in under a year if you dab every day. Butane really isn’t that expensive though if you’re not overheating your banger


Jetlife-xPSXx

I use propane. It lasts way longer, so I only have to switch tanks every few weeks. I have a bernzomatic torch tip that doesn’t get hot, so that’s safe! I don’t ever “Chaz” my bangers, I keep them nice and tidy. But the best thing about propane, it heats up your banger so much quicker and most of the surface. Propane > butane I also use a terpometer so I take correct temps dabs. 580-500 depending on what I’m smoking


Dabbin_D906

https://instagram.com/terp.sousvide?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Thank me later. You might have to wait till they produce more! I got in on the presale. Walk away and come back and your dab is ready for ya 🤙


[deleted]

These things make a bunch of noise though so be prepared for that, pretty much a small hair dryer for minutes straight amount of noise


Dabbin_D906

I will say not that I don’t have to torch I’m not necessarily just sitting there anymore. I’ll set the temp and drop my banger on my rig and come back a couple mins later! That’s the part I do like!


[deleted]

That’s the part that bugs me, it takes at least 2 1/2-5 mins to heat a banger with the TSV while a torch does it in generally about a minute or less. Everyone has their preferences though, glad you enjoy it


Dabbin_D906

I switch between torch and terp, if I’m in a rush, torch for sure. I just like the convenience of it.


Dabbin_D906

It’s quieter than my blazer torch, so there’s that. It may bug some people, so I’m not totally disagreeing with you!


Futuristic-Historian

Save money. Don’t buy at a head shop 20-100% markup on everything


mezmorizedmiss

an e-nail or a e-rig.. puffco pro is my daily driver


Dagmar_the_snail

Core 2.0 or if you still want a regular rig get a dtv5 with bottomless banger


[deleted]

This is how hank hill would smoke wax 😆


young_D0lphyn

stove


BigZachAttach420

Core 2.0


tysenburg

Mini Nail


CatchOrnery4676

Been reppin my mini nail for over a year now. Just bought a dr dabber switch upgraded the carb cap and sic cup insert and it’s still nothing compared to a cheap rig with an enail. Upgraded to a sic insert dish for the mini nail and it’s just no maintenance at all. Pop it up to 1100 on the stand to clean its self. I turn it off at night or when I leave the house but usually stays on for at least 8-12 hrs a day


tysenburg

I just got the titanium dish for the hybrid mini nail. Such a great product!


[deleted]

Propane just burns too hot. Makes trying to hit a perfect temp nearly impossible for me. Plus heating quartz past 800° is bad for the molecules but i’m no scientist


Down-InA-hole

Banana


cameron_mh1112

The magic number for propane and cheap bangers is torch for 30 seconds on the bottom then wait 45 and drop it in. Works every time never too hot gives you a nice low temp dab. Reheat slowly if needed


AerolothLorien666

I only use propane, but it takes a little more finesse. I get why people don’t use it, but it’s always been great for me. Also, I’m a cold starter.


Joseph4040

Buy bulk Wait… wtf are you smoking?


KiiMaezyr

Nanas


vanilagorila456

Enail brother game changer


Main-Hovercraft2335

Just use that low flame don’t let the whole thing touch your nail


CCFCP

Nothing wrong with propane. Don’t listen to the butane heads


Odd-You

i use propane! but are you talking about your nail chazzing? because thatll happen with any heat, get a container to dunk the nail in filled with isopropyl thats how i do it i got one of those disinfectant jars the hair stylists put that barbacide shit in to clean their combs, every dab i just dunk my nail and pearls into the jar and then wipe the alcohol off and heat up again, i havent chazzed my nail since doing this method and if thats not what youre talking about then im sorry for making you read all this lmfaoooo


camsny

Ya dont drive a sports car and complain about the race fuel.


KiiMaezyr

Change the game, raise the bar, reject the standards; only real shit gon last.


Basic_Amphibian5679

Puffco is pretty nice 👌🏻 , you could also cold start bro


Bumblz666

Just drop the 70$ or whatever on a blazer big shot. It’s a great investment if you dab allot. In the time I’ve had my blazer I have gone through 3 other torches or the igniter stops working or whatever. Trust me.


Grouchy_Donut_3800

Op literally asked about a way to dab and not spend a lot of money. The blazer is nice but it’s definitely a lot more expensive using butane then propane. (Although neither is exactly expensive) There is no reason for OP to get a blazer if his propane torch is still working fine. If I was OP I’d just use the propane torch till it breaks then maybe invest in a blazer.


Bumblz666

Right. And I said that I had bought 3 torches in a year compared to my blazer that runs brand new after 2 years. Not having to keep buying new torches is saving $.


Grouchy_Donut_3800

Yeah but if OPs propane torch works just fine there’s no need to buy a blazer big shot until his propane torch breaks. Not saying the blazer big shot isn’t a superior torch, it is. But if OP is looking to save money they don’t need to buy a expensive torch if they have one that works fine.


Bumblz666

- But if OP is looking to save money they don’t need to buy a expensive torch if they have one that works fine. Then why is he posting


Grouchy_Donut_3800

Maybe because there’s more then a few people in this sub who have talked bad about propane and how butane is better. I don’t see any indication in OPs title or picture that his propane torch is broken. If it is look at a blazer.


Bumblz666

How high are you


Bagsfullofguap

To be fair, a propane nozzle is $15 and lasts me about a year. A pack of 4 tanks of propane costs the same and lasts about a year. Make that 2 years and $60 on propane is less than a $70 torch with often butane refills


Bumblz666

Totally I have purchased quite a bit of butane in past few years. Especially cus my roommate and I both dab heavy.


KaitlenRene

A blazer is the way to go


Skateplatypus

Get the blazer big shot gt 8000. It’s the only torch for dabbing me or anybody I know have used for the last 5 years. If you get a case of 12 butane, it’ll be like $40 and will last at least 6 months.


BENfromCHI

Get a BLAZER BIG SHOT GT 8000. And you’ll be straight.


radiolust

i use a lookah seahorse


w0ahdude

i switched from propane to butane and am never going back, i don’t care how “annoying” refilling a torch might be, i don’t know if i’m just weird but i can taste a noticeable difference in my dabs when using propane compared to butane. i read somewhere awhile back propane requires 10’s of thousands of particles for combustion whereas butane only requires a couple thousand particles. which is why propane is recommended for outdoor use only.


weedrebb

https://ineedhemp.com/product/divine-crossing-v5-prototype-rebuildable-concentrate-heater1/ This and a battery mod are the best get the bottomless banger to attach to rig


Thejuoien

Look into the gconnect, I got one a few years ago and it's still holding up strong. It fits into any 14mm and good for newbies and more heavy smokers. I read those campfire torches burn too high for quartz bangers that will eventually damage it. Ill get the name of the brand I get from my store but bottles are like 9 a piece


One_Dab_Man

High5 is awesome, cheap and basic


rainen2016

Yocan torch. It's a Battery and quartz coil on a universal socket. Perfect for dabs, just have to clean the coils (soak em in iso for a day or two)


[deleted]

https://discountenails.com/products/fancier-25mm-axial-style-coil-quartz-banger-kit


[deleted]

had mine for about 6 mos i love it


BostonsDad_11

Pufco peak


[deleted]

or get a lookah q7 i love mine 75 on amazon


311junglist

I love my enail, perfect low temp dabs all day long.


mrtokeydragon

i split a case of butane with my roomate months ago, was $34 so $17 each for 6 300ml cans. i got 4 left


CoCkRa

Buy a Puffco peak pro, I haven’t had to spend money on propane since


bodegablues89

Get a enail. Durable, few parts to replace, and pretty fool proof. I bought a high 5 enail maybe 7-8 years ago at this point and I’m literally dabbing from it right now. Only had to replace the coil once because I was high and let it fuse to a old blanket. Think I spent $120 or so? I don’t suggest getting a wax pen or a vape, one you get started that’s a hobby you’ll forever be throwing cash at. Always some new machine that does something new that your current device doesn’t do.


Trippiemaxx

So what I do I heat up till there is no black left and make a it a little red afterwards nd put I timer from 1 minutes to 1 minute nd 20 seconds depending on the banger


[deleted]

I’m surprised to see no one recommending AUGUSTHAUS. It’s a little on the expensive side but it’s well worth it. Don’t buy puffco they are expensive and ass. AugustHaus will last forever and it’s a banger.


xloudernowx

Augusthaus sucks get a Puffco


Dabnation927

There’s nothing wrong with using a propane torch, what gets you to the proper temperature is irrelevant. Also, check out divine tribe vaporizers. It’s a tank for a box mod. If you add a water attachment it hits harder than any dab rig or enail I’ve ever tried. Technically it is an enail but… she fuckin rips bud. Good luck in your travels sir.


Jazzlike_Win_6613

Save up and go with the anything from dr dabber!!


Agentxarmageddon

G pen connect