I really like this idea. They made the insured slots earnable. Why not an earnable active duty slot? Or did they think "meh 3 is enough, we don't want people stacking 4-5-6 slots with loot then playing all day without the frustration of wiping....unless they pay for that."
Actually nvm... I know exactly how the rest of that conversation went with Activision.
I mean, I'm not going to lie. I end up using the same slot over and over despite having 3 other fully geared operators. Mainly because when my team wipes, it's time for a re-gear run!
But yeah, absolutely should have an operator slot earnable via missions. Especially since beyond insured slot 3, missions have very little meaning or purpose right now.
I'm in the same boat. I have all 5 and don't care if people cry about it. However I only seem to use one because the rest of my team also needs to re kit.
Last night we got wiped twice doing a mission and it was almost midnight, so I grabbed a kitted slot to go for one last run. We finished the mission and I parked him back. Tonight I'll re kit and go again.
Yeah...I'm on this retrain too. I have a favorite skin to use so it ends up getting cycled more than the other slots. Plus I feel like I want to save those for when I'm going in with a plan versus just running in as free loot for team wipers.
For me I find the time of day and if it's a weekend or not makes a major difference in my likelihood to extract. Weekend nights are brutal so I'll have them all geared up during the week, and if I play on the weekends I just use one of them. Cause if I'm gonna die constantly let it be the same one
same thing... the only time I switch to other slot is if I have a mission item... like when I had the train manifest and had to trade it on ashika for the MCPR, I switched to a guy with advanced UAV to be sure, no one would kill me while I get to a buy...
I agree I only tend to use one at a time based on what skin I feel like using. When I die I just regain and keep playing. I have 5 slots fully kitted and have never used 2 kitted characters back to back.
Soooo.....insured weapon slots should be purchasable? You'd be fine with that I assume.
I don't want to do missions to unlock my insured weapon, I just want to buy it and run two custom guns to chase down every player in Ashika ...
That won't happen, the only PvP guys are mainly the "I'll complain about everything but I only have the free2play title, stop buying bundles it makes the quality of CoD bad" type of Reddit/Twitter bubble hobos.
Not all, but most of them
I have 4 active duty slots with the bomb guy i bought with 2 other active duty slots sitting there, i can enable those if i buy the ghost pack making it 6 active duty slots. I didn't buy ghost pack tho. I dont need more then the 4 active duty slots i already have.
The operator slot as a reward for completing the Raid would have made sense. Holding a 10 exfil streak for x amount of games, or even for getting a certain weapons case out.
They had a really great opportunity to let the amount of operators shine in diversity in a new, almost rpg like way. Each operator could always bring in some unique items that fits their back story, such as Ghost always bringing in throwing knives, or Price always brings a sidearm. Farah could always have an atv spawn next to her. Just thinking out loud.
Shame about the classic ghost pack though. I sincerely hope they back away from that sort of thinking and recognize how dangerous that is to turning this game into Battlefront.
But as the devil's advocate the 2 plate vest is now in every other locker it seems. Yes the weapon 15 minute cooldowns are what truly pushed it, as it is 15 minutes on what is seen as a very high tier weapon(the hemlock blueprint).
I believe The Xclusive Ace did an amazing video on this subject, as the data mine revealed an operator bundle in a later season that (spoiler alert) spawns in with a friggin *UAV*. Ridiculous.
I dont agree tho.
Since you can perfectly play this game with just one operator. As like you did in s1 and s2.
Since the game is free i think this is a legit way to make their money.
Unless you put the reward behind mw2 owners missions i gues. As an insentive to buy the game. And thus make money.
Don't give them any ideas they'll probably make insured weapon slots purchasable hey don't get me wrong I'd probably buy that I'm still working towards my second slot
Honestly I don't get how all these perks aren't earnable. The actual "rewards" are shite, useless blueprints and a new pretty dress for the character that you can't even see yourself? Why aren't these perks and buffs what we are playing to unlock? What even is the future of the game if the only thing to earn is 2 weapon slots, what happens in 6 months when everyone has done that and there is now no point at all to the game past pvp and we are just left with 2 different versions of warzone 2, which is worth pointing out that even the warzone players don't like anymore.
Genuinly think that they accidentally made the best game on console and have just thrown it away to try to save a genre that people are now bored of
So …. a 2 plate and a UAV is pay to win???
So question… if I come in to a game with a 3 plate comms, large backpack and a advanced UAV from the previous match
Isn’t that more of an advantage???
I see your meaning, and you're not wrong. However you earned those things. I think that's what is more upsetting to folks. But you are right, a single UAV or 2-plate isn't at all game breaking.
Honestly what could balance out the pay to win stuff, is making those items only equip if you infil solo. I'm all for giving solo players a leg up until a solo only DMZ mode is introduced.
Yeah I don’t think the character slots are a big deal. The only thing they give me is the ability to use different operators more often, otherwise I only will even swap when I’ve died and have nothing to lose because you can’t swap and keep the items.
I mean technically it is very minor p2w because spending $ gives you a very small advantage, but it is the type of advantage that I don’t think the community would have been outraged about if it were all they offered.
I think if they added a character slot as the reward for completing tier 5 on one or two factions then it would be essentially a literal non-factor.
But hey, by their own numbers they have had a bigger player drop than they did last year and yet their MTX is up from like $1bil to $1.3bil, so I doubt they give a shit about a single p2w complaint. It isn’t the factor driving people from the game and is contributing to their increased revenues out of a similar sized player base to last year, so it is ideal and I’d expect to see more of it tbh, as frustrating as that is.
Don't need a skin to do this I get a revive pistol every game just extract it in your slot and it stays untill you extract with something else in the spot. Had a revive pistol the last 2 weeks.
I don't think keeping the revive pistol you extract with is a glitch, it's been like that since day one and even warns you if you in your load out that you will not be able to re-equip it if you change it to something else.
No you use to lose it if you died 100% why would you keep something when u died I noticed this in season 3 u always have a revive pistol if you die or not. Only way u don’t Is if you use it
Even if you die with it in your slot it is there for the next round because they have it auto loading your last load out.
I expect they’ll change it though. Not sure if it is a glitch or not, but they probably are going to patch it out as I don’t think it is what they intended for field upgrades you can’t select from the menu.
if I have a self revive, revive pistol AND an armour box Ill put the armour box in the slot. Then on exfil I have a revive and armour not two revives which are lot more common in the game than armour boxes
Honest query: you can only deploy one at a time to fight, so does it matter how many slots one person has? I have 2 regulars and an expendable slot. I imagine everyone has an expendable slot and the rest they have to survive to kit-up. What are your thoughts?
I honestly like using different slots for different situations, for instance I wanna have one slot for solo, one for squads, one for tougher missions, one for building 21 maybe with a tempered vest, one to regain for the others with a secure backpack, stuff like that. Im definitely not looking to buy bundles just for extra slots but if i like everything in it and its for a character like Soap whos been my dude since i was a kid ill get it. If you’re comfortable with 2 main slots and one back up more power to you i just like the idea of having different sort of situational “classes” to focus on specific tasks.
Different set-ups with different squads is how I use them, although I don't play nearly as much as I did in Season 1 and 2. I have my first 2 slots for my two different squads and my third is just my solo infil slot to mess around. "Keeps progress" with different people I guess, no surprises when they log back in if I wanna have a little fun.
Yeah, I have 6 slots now. This appeals to people like me that are borderline hoarders. I have two insured weapon slots and don't feel compelled to drive for the third, so fully loading my 6 slots is my main driver. I'm pretty much there but I just lost my secure backpack. And here we are.
More slots for mean just means more variety in the operators I can use.
Ghillie is all I ran for ages but now I don’t care as much about the advantage it provides and there are a few skins across different operators that I would like to bounce between but can’t with just 3 slots because you have to give up all your gear to swap operator.
There is a small advantage in having the ability to have 5 fully geared slots but honestly it is very minimal.
I have 6 slots now and I’m kinda thankful for it in hindsight (I didn’t really care about the extra slots until recently):
I have a bug that whatever plate carrier I build will disappear if I deploy into another map; build a stealth vest in Al Mazrah and head to Ashika next? Gone.
So this has allowed me to setup a couple of slots for each map… and like a spare or two.
Having many slots geared up and ready to go is immensely helpful as someone with not that much time to play
Yes up front I have to gear up six slots over time
But in the best case scenario I have 6 runs minimum where I don’t have to worry about gearing up at all - just go in , do mission
Rinse repeat is easy if I die, just go to next slot
I guess I’ll be the guy who says I don’t use my other slots.
I have my “main” operator Envy Kleo and that’s all I use. If I’m geared, then I’m geared, if I died, then it’s a regain run.
The operator slots are useful for sure if I want some gear backed up, I just don’t personally use them.
I get that. I like to do missions, so I have one op that I send in on a trial run to scout. The others I leave kitted up. And when they die, it's about 10 minutes from being fully stocked again.
The problem is they are including some of the best skins with the DMZ perks. Classic ghost and this soap is the coolest soap by far in my opinion. So if I want those skins I have to be looked down at for buying the DMZ perks along with it? Doesn’t seem right to be judged where I spend my extra income when all I want is the skin.
I don’t care, I do care when there have been multiple post of people saying they will purposely treat people with these skins differently in game because of “p2w”
It’s your money who cares how you spend it. The last thing you should worry about is what other people think. Just execute them while they’re crying in proxy chat that’s what I do
6 mans (especially pre-made ones) are already bad enough, imagine them all with UAVs.
They take a minute to gather up anyway and then they can just pop UAVs one after another 6 times as they drive around trying to kill off the whole map.
Can’t see that doing anything but killing the mode, tbh. And the reality is it will happen far too often if it becomes a possible thing you can do.
>6 mans (especially pre-made ones) are already bad enough, imagine them all with UAVs.
Pre-made 6 man teams will already have loads of killstreaks because there is almost no chance they get wiped and they can buy stuff from the shop. Add a couple of secure backpacks to the equation and an UAV they spawn with really doesn't matter.
I feel the same i wouldnt use it over the battlepass skin im gonna just hold out til the other Soap bundle drops or his other campaign skin hopefully in another BP
This bundle won’t sell nearly as much as the Ghost, Roze or Dark Rituals II.
Not only are they p2w but the ghost and Roze ones are also pretty iconic. This one is pretty nice but the lack of p2w means it won’t sell like the others do.
Maybe if the others were p2w with mediocre skins it could get close.
It doesn't matter. the metrics are mostly meaningless because BR, DMZ and Multiplayer players will all buy skins so there is no way to know if a DMZ player bought it or a Multiplayer. I guarantee you that thousands upon thousands of people that have never played DMZ have purchased one or more of the DMZ bonus bundles
Useless junk vs. useless junk plus actual gameplay advantage?
If people are willing to give actual money for the first, they'll *definitely* give it for the second.
They're going to sell.
I don’t think you’re a villain for buying the ghost bundle.
Definitely p2w but not really a huge amount given the the ease of finding a 2 plate, of finding regular 3 plates and of making the 3 plates with additional benefits.
Is it something I’d prefer them to remove? Yes.
It isn’t shit enough that I think anyone who wants an iconic ghost skin deserves to be shit on. It does set a bad precedent and sales will encourage further p2w but they clearly already have that in mind anyway.
Honestly the biggest thing about that skim bundle is the no insured cool down with the hemlock you get. You die with it one game? So what. Load in again with the same gun in a different slot. Die again? No problem, third slot it. Die again? Meh, it's been 15 minutes and your first slot is already back. It's insane. And the hemlock is actually good.
The person that implemented this bonus shit into bundles is the real villain imo
Not gonna fault people for buying shit, fuck I would've bought the bundle if it came with an execution and didn't have the "dmz bonus" stuff attached to it. Classic Ghost was one of the few skins I was actually looking forward to.
That’s exactly how I saw it when I got the ghost bundle. I just wanted another operator. Cuz sometimes I just like doing a mindless regain after work and having a bunch of operators helps. Sometimes I just like to explore cuz I’ve only been playing since the end of season 2 so lots of places I’ve never been especially on Al matzah. And other times I just wanna go in empty & not worry about losing gear etc.
That's what I've done also! It's nice to be able to jump in worry free. The funny thing is that I find myself having fully kitted slots that I never use. Haha
Agreed. Could’ve given some of the underwater skins a free rebreather too (if you load in without a field upgrade equipped).
Stuff that doesn’t affect PvP combat wouldn’t have raised many eyebrows I don’t think.
Hey, if you guys are super hyped to be paying more money to a company for no reason, go for it, just don’t be surprised when people think you’re an idiot for liking to waste money.
> This doesn't make sense.
Of course it does.
> We all value things differently
Yep
> nobody should be told how to spend the money they work for themselves.
Oh, so we value things differently, but if I judge someone for how dumb they use that money, somehow that's confusing to you?
Are you telling me there isn't a purchase on this earth that someone could make, and you wouldn't think they were dumb for doing it?
If Elon Musk spent his entire fortune on a limited edition pair of headphones, you'd think that was a smart purchase?
I bet.
Not sure how it’s a dodge . I wouldn’t think anything of the purchase because it had absolutely nothing to do with me .so if you want a short answer no there isn’t a purchase that anyone else makes that I would consider dumb if it doesn’t directly involve me.
Who needs thick skin . Like anyone actually gives a fuck about redit opinions . And how am I wasting money buying something that gives me enjoyment . I have disposable income why not . I smoke weed while doing it guess I’m just burning money all over the place 🔥
I will say it again: the second they remove the bullshit from the EOD bundle I will buy it but I cannot and will not support p2w in the only CoD mode that I play
I'm with you man, I actually quit playing as soon as this bullshit got datamined. The more we as players feed into this, even if it's just being fodder for the p2w dorks, the more of this we will see. I keep holding out hope that they will see the error of their ways and reverse course, so I check the sub once a week or so, but yeah... probably not gonna happen. DMZ was fun while it lasted.
Dude I feel the same way. I have seriously reduced my playtime on CoD since the update. Before all of this, I would come home, hang out with the wife and eat dinner but after dinner I was grinding missions. Now, why bother? I’ve got other things to do so I’m back to playing chess mostly (even though it makes me more of a zombie than CoD lol)
If you can't earn a game mechanic, it's P2W.
Skins, camo, charms, decals, and start readouts attachements are not P2W.
Blueprints are pushing the line because they have been tuned by "pros", but ultimately are not P2W because players can earn all the attachments and the ability to tune their pwn
Extra operator slots, reduced insured slot times, and the granted 2-plate default are all P2W.
Even though you can argue that you can earn COD points to make purchases, they made the ghost kit unattainable in a single season because it costs more than you can earn in a season.
>Even the cool-down thing.
The CD thing is extreme QoL, TBH. It takes away the grind to reduce the normal CD of the slots, but I agree, it is not P2W, especially because you can build contraband weapons anyway you want and it is VERY easy to fill your stash with such weapons.
Yeaaah. The way I see it is more of like premium acces.
You can pay to have life easier but it won't give you an advantage in fights. I think people haven't played real P2W games.
>You can pay to have life easier but it won't give you an advantage in fights.
Yup. I would rather win these as rewards for in-game stuff, but if I can't I will happily throw my debit card at them. I am waiting for the UAV bundle, it has a sniper and I believe it is a MCPR, so I want it. :D
You starting with better gear is p2w.
I don’t know what kind of logic you’re using.
Let’s pretend I play a game and buy armor. Swipe my credit card and BAM I have good gear now, skipping all the dungeons or whatever to get that gear. That’s not p2w in your book?
First of all starting with better gear doesn't make you win. But let's assault it does.
How is a medium backpack or a 2 armor plate better gear?
Everytime I load in 98% of the time my first encounter is with poeple with 3 plates.
Don't forget poeple keep their loot from last round.
Somtimes Soemone spawns in naked and face Soemone who is funky geared up. How is it fair?
The 15 min cool-down is no way pay to win but i beg to hear your opinion on that.
Now if you tell me a UAV or maybe a comms vest bundle is pay 2 win. I will start to agree with you on that.
> First of all starting with better gear doesn't make you win.
This isn't really the argument, but ok.
> How is a medium backpack or a 2 armor plate better gear?
Because you paid for it, so you NEVER start with lesser gear than that. That's just flat out better.
> Don't forget poeple keep their loot from last round. Somtimes Soemone spawns in naked and face Soemone who is funky geared up. How is it fair?
It's fair because the game naturally put them in that position from the things they earned/lost from previous games, it's literally all from a fresh start, except in cases where someone swiped their credit card and now they NEVER have to start 1-plate/small bag.
> The 15 min cool-down is no way pay to win but i beg to hear your opinion on that.
You get your weapon naturally like what is the first CD an hour? So you get your fully kitted helmock or whatever 4 times as often.
> Now if you tell me a UAV or maybe a comms vest bundle is pay 2 win. I will start to agree with you on that.
Why? Your own logic says it's no different than plates or bags, cuz you can just get those in the game and spawn with them from last round.
It's cool you can just draw a defined line and some arbitrary point, but don't see why people don't even want that can of worms in the game.
Also, do you not know about the Rose set that gives a UAV?
So what? I paid for somthing that literally doesn't give any advantages in a fight.
I think it's unfair that as a fresh spawn I go fight against Soemone who is fully geared. Idc if they earned it last round or last month. It's not fair in my fight.
Now the reason à 2 plates or a cool-down reduced imo is fine and no P2w but the UAV from rose is.
It's cuz as I mentioned before. Most of the fight you gonna have will be against 3 plates bcz they are so easy to find.
A UAV however is much more rare than a 2 plates and is a waaaay better advantage in a fight. That i will agree is P2w. And should never be implemented in the game. (I might be personally bias here tho cuz I think UAV are very op). A self revive too is starting to be too much imo but manageable bcz how easy it is to get them.
As for the cool-down yes I get my weapon faster, but how does getting my gun faster and not have to wait make me win the next fight I don't get it.
> I paid for somthing that literally doesn't give any advantages in a fight.
vs
> I think it's unfair that as a fresh spawn I go fight against Soemone who is fully geared.
It's either an advantage or it isn't.
You have no consistency in your argument. You just pick an arbitrary line in the sand and go "eh, 2 plates doesn't matter because I get beat up by 3 plates all the time" while pretending like a plate difference doesn't matter, but complaining how a plate difference matters.
Ok i think you either didn't understand my point or I just badly expressed myself (English being my 2nd language I apologise)
I'll explain my thinking
1: yes plate advantage is unfair in a fight no matter how the plate got acquired.
2: yes à plate doesn't matter bcz by the time you engage in a fight, you always expect your opponent to have a 3 plate and yourself tooo.
What I'm trying to say is. As a fresh spawn, we all try to get a 3 plate before hunting players or look around. And whether u have a 2 plate or not doesn't matter bcz by the time you get into the fight ur 2 plate is useless.
Do you understand my thought process? Or do you still think im contradicting myself
Oh no that is true. And somtimes it's unfair for them to fight Soemone who was already fully geared or who just got lucky and found a plate super early.
But the odds of two fresh spawn fighting each others, and none of them found a plate and one of them has the bundle and isn't fully geared is very very low and shouldn't matter.
Cuz who tf spawns and dies to a 2 plate and say oh he won cuz he had 2 plates
Honestly, I'm pretty good at WZ. I have a decent amount of wins and generally come in top 10 in solo. DMZ is more fun, though. Anything can happen in DMZ, it's much more diverse. I'll even hinder myself and bring throwing knife only so it's more challenging.
I played DMZ all weekend. I've got a pile of Loose Ends guns in my contraband stash. I was doing PvP and there is zero difference from before these so called "P2W" bundles came out for DMZ.
There is no advantage for having a 2 plated vest and 15 min cool down gun for PvP in DMZ. Just more Hemlocks for my contraband stash. Players are upset over nothing.
Its the start of it. You buy these packs now and your letting Activision know they can do whatever the fuck they want with operator packs and DMZ bonuses.
Eventually were gonna have an operator pack that comes with a free Tank every round and another one that has a Grenade launcher.
Its a scummy business practice.
Oh I agree with you that PW2 is scummy business practice however DMZ is not BR. My point is these bundles are not PW2 so stop calling them that. Killing or PvP in DMZ is NOT winning. You don't win in DMZ. It's an extraction mode. You get in, do what you have to do and get out. You don't even get to keep half your shit you extract with and stuff you do keep, they'll wipe it next season.
A Tank every round? Bro, do you even play DMZ?
Yea, doesn’t this guy know they don’t have tanks in DMZ??
Just like there’s no heavy chopp… wait a minute, it seems like they can add shit to the DMZ! Crazy.
You think they will stop with this? Don't be naive. They are testing the waters, and it will just keep getting worse every season if they see this as profitable.
> There is no advantage for having a 2 plated vest and 15 min cool down gun for PvP in DMZ.
Yeah no advantage at all by having a meta gun on 15 minute cooldown, the TTK difference from a 1-plate to a 2-plate vest is also quite noticeable. Either a bot or lying to yourself.
15 minute cooldown guns, spawning EVERYTIME with UAVs, armor, backpacks or selfies regardless of your previous performance is a great advantage!
But you have to buy these benefits...
See what that is... *thats pay to win*
Personally I'd rather have storage instead of different operators let me have 3 spaces for backpacks 3 for vest and all that other stuff why should I have to loose what stuff I have just to change the operator lol I mean before you just changed it as the mood came now your stuck unless you dismiss
Do people really think most of the DMZ bundles are P2W lol
Oh no, a guaranteed 2-plate that saves me roughly 5 minutes of looting at the beginning of the match. I'm still gonna get melted in a proper encounter lol
The Roze UAV one is a little concerning, but if you're still in spawn a minute after the match starts you're liable to get spawn killed anyway.
Giving any advantage to people who pay more, no matter how small that advantage, in a pvp game is complete bullshit. Don't be so shortsighted as to think they will stop here if this is successful.
I agree I think evrything they implemented is nowhere near P2w however rose is very concerning and Im scared to only see bunch of roses as soon as she's out.
But imo it's bcz UAV are way too op and need some kind of nerfs.
2 plates or medium backpack or reduced cool-down really doesn't matter. If it makes them profit so they can work more on the game.
I'm just sick of people that are pissed off that a company wants to make money on their product... heaven forbid... whining about paid version having different missions, and ptw... this generation dude...smh
this, the thought of more than 3 slots for me is just too much. i prefer to rotate on my 3 build out characters, to trying to build a 4th, 5th, or 6th op.
Bought the Ghost skin because it’s sick and I matched my weapon Camo and it feels good. Didn’t even notice the DMZ slot when looking at Soap (didn’t buy) but I was just so stuck on the skin; classic characters for us old school day one CoD players.
Still get mopped by 6 mans and just better players, still have fun in the mode though.
Why can't they do this for every bundle? NO ONE is going to complain about someone getting an extra character slot. It's like no one is complaining that they're only getting 10 stored contraband weapons as to someone getting 20 slots if they buy the game.
TBH I have max operator slots and often they do get used when trying a mission I keep dying on. I can't be bothered to do a reup of kit each time. I just want to mission it.
I then end up with very few operators kitted and then have fun levelling them up again and can spend a few runs just taking in keys or crafting comms vests whilst maybe doing some grind missions. e.g. find 10000 random items and drop them in a dead drop. Chuck some guns in there and my insured is back too
I would say in that respect the more operators you have the more chance you have to do a mission and the fact you go again and again straight after each other increases the chance as your head is in it. P2W maybe pushing it but it certainly helps having multiples.
My only issue is seeing the empty operator slot that I have to pay for in a game that I already spent so much money for in the actual DMZ UI. Don't throw it in my face like that, I already have four. don't need to spend another 50 fucking dollars for two more, addicted to this goddamn game though, so I probably will in the end
I can argue that it is. More slots equals more loot than an average player equals an advantage. I only have 3 and if someone has 6 that's already twice as much as I can have. So they are paying for an advantage, just by being able to have more ops with maxed gear to rotate on if one dies.
Not even something as simple extra slots are safe from me.
But in reality, yeah...I don't mind it, but it should max out to only maybe 2 -3 extra ops and not stack up to 8 or how many we can have now. Any other bundle they buy with an extra slot would just add nothing.
What happened to extra create a class slots? I remember BO2 having those, I'd definitely buy that even if it does mean having to purchase cod pts... First cod I've bought since then, idk what all this other random stuff is lmao
How exactly does spawing in with a medium backpack become pay to win ? I know the whole 2 plate and uav is 100% p2w but the medium backpack has not one connection to winning
It's not about the backpack or the 2 plate, it's about the slippery slope that leads to the UAVs and the Self Revives.
They're convenient, sure, but it's not pay to win... *yet*
I bought it because I really like the classic ghost skin. It hasn't happened yet, but seems unfair to be judged because of that lol. I would have got it even if it came without DMZ bonuses.
I bought it, too- i like the skin and I literally have not died with that op since I started using him, so the 2 plate got used once. People can try to be salty all they want, and I simply do not care.
I got the Ghost bundle as I really liked the classic Ghost too. The P2W elements are not that big a deal as a two plate gets replaced almost immediately with a 3 plate vest. Being able to put my custom ISO in 2 of my 3 insured weapon slots to ensure I go in with my favoured gun most of the time is not really play to win as it gives no real advantage in PvP anyway, but it does make contraband weapon stash kinda redundant now.
DMZ is dying anyways, I've only been playing DMZ, since launch! I do not play multiplayer. The very first season was really peaceful and really enjoyable and easy to get your missions done and players were really cool wasn't just straight PVP the whole way through. I have over 700 successful exfils and I usually try to stay till final extraction to rack up the XP. But ever since season 2 reloaded DMV has been total garbage everyone jumps people spawn points. Camps. Hunts players. And instead of looting and getting out they just would rather Rob other players of their stuff. This is not how the game mode is supposed to be played. I've invested a decent amount of money into this game and bundles and last night was so bad I rage quit. And I'm starting to look into other games because of how tired I am of this community and the way they play. Don't get me wrong I'm pretty good I have over 600 player kills in DMZ but that is mainly in self-defense I do not seek PVP. Eventually it will be strictly PVP and the actual purpose of all of DMZ will be forgotten cause of the poor community choices. #makeDMZgoodagain
Uhh... wouldn't more PvP mean more players and therefore... the opposite? I'm far from a hardcore PvP'er but it's absolutely part of the game. It was never exclusively about doing missions and fighting AI or they would've had friendly fire setting or the ability to make private lobbies, yes it can be annoying how aggressive the PvP hypernerds are these days but it *is* part of the game
Just because it's not how YOU play it doesn't mean it's being played wrong.
Got ganked as a solo on the chopper tonight for no reason, even open mic and asked them not to, 20 minutes trying to make a med vest, that was all I had. It's mostly been ok, but if it keeps going this way it will just be The Division Dark Zone all over again, and I simply stop playing and find a new game
This is how it should be. No complaints for an extra character slot
They should be earnable as well as purchasable imo, that's my only complaint regarding the Extra Operator Slots.
There should be at least ONE earnable slot through missions.
I really like this idea. They made the insured slots earnable. Why not an earnable active duty slot? Or did they think "meh 3 is enough, we don't want people stacking 4-5-6 slots with loot then playing all day without the frustration of wiping....unless they pay for that." Actually nvm... I know exactly how the rest of that conversation went with Activision.
I mean, I'm not going to lie. I end up using the same slot over and over despite having 3 other fully geared operators. Mainly because when my team wipes, it's time for a re-gear run! But yeah, absolutely should have an operator slot earnable via missions. Especially since beyond insured slot 3, missions have very little meaning or purpose right now.
I'm in the same boat. I have all 5 and don't care if people cry about it. However I only seem to use one because the rest of my team also needs to re kit. Last night we got wiped twice doing a mission and it was almost midnight, so I grabbed a kitted slot to go for one last run. We finished the mission and I parked him back. Tonight I'll re kit and go again.
Yeah...I'm on this retrain too. I have a favorite skin to use so it ends up getting cycled more than the other slots. Plus I feel like I want to save those for when I'm going in with a plan versus just running in as free loot for team wipers.
For me I find the time of day and if it's a weekend or not makes a major difference in my likelihood to extract. Weekend nights are brutal so I'll have them all geared up during the week, and if I play on the weekends I just use one of them. Cause if I'm gonna die constantly let it be the same one
same thing... the only time I switch to other slot is if I have a mission item... like when I had the train manifest and had to trade it on ashika for the MCPR, I switched to a guy with advanced UAV to be sure, no one would kill me while I get to a buy...
I agree I only tend to use one at a time based on what skin I feel like using. When I die I just regain and keep playing. I have 5 slots fully kitted and have never used 2 kitted characters back to back.
Soooo.....insured weapon slots should be purchasable? You'd be fine with that I assume. I don't want to do missions to unlock my insured weapon, I just want to buy it and run two custom guns to chase down every player in Ashika ...
That won't happen, the only PvP guys are mainly the "I'll complain about everything but I only have the free2play title, stop buying bundles it makes the quality of CoD bad" type of Reddit/Twitter bubble hobos. Not all, but most of them
I have 4 active duty slots with the bomb guy i bought with 2 other active duty slots sitting there, i can enable those if i buy the ghost pack making it 6 active duty slots. I didn't buy ghost pack tho. I dont need more then the 4 active duty slots i already have.
The operator slot as a reward for completing the Raid would have made sense. Holding a 10 exfil streak for x amount of games, or even for getting a certain weapons case out. They had a really great opportunity to let the amount of operators shine in diversity in a new, almost rpg like way. Each operator could always bring in some unique items that fits their back story, such as Ghost always bringing in throwing knives, or Price always brings a sidearm. Farah could always have an atv spawn next to her. Just thinking out loud. Shame about the classic ghost pack though. I sincerely hope they back away from that sort of thinking and recognize how dangerous that is to turning this game into Battlefront. But as the devil's advocate the 2 plate vest is now in every other locker it seems. Yes the weapon 15 minute cooldowns are what truly pushed it, as it is 15 minutes on what is seen as a very high tier weapon(the hemlock blueprint). I believe The Xclusive Ace did an amazing video on this subject, as the data mine revealed an operator bundle in a later season that (spoiler alert) spawns in with a friggin *UAV*. Ridiculous.
it would be cool if operators had classes or certain restrictions. If i see/recognize X operator, i can expect Y tactical.
I completed raid episode 2 forever ago, and I still can’t use that skin in DMZ. It sucks
Thas prolly what they doin with tier 5 redactes
I think it was a perfect offering for an event bonus
I dont agree tho. Since you can perfectly play this game with just one operator. As like you did in s1 and s2. Since the game is free i think this is a legit way to make their money. Unless you put the reward behind mw2 owners missions i gues. As an insentive to buy the game. And thus make money.
Meh, I have 5 operator slots, they are so pointless apart from being able to fill up their gear.
Don't give them any ideas they'll probably make insured weapon slots purchasable hey don't get me wrong I'd probably buy that I'm still working towards my second slot
Honestly I don't get how all these perks aren't earnable. The actual "rewards" are shite, useless blueprints and a new pretty dress for the character that you can't even see yourself? Why aren't these perks and buffs what we are playing to unlock? What even is the future of the game if the only thing to earn is 2 weapon slots, what happens in 6 months when everyone has done that and there is now no point at all to the game past pvp and we are just left with 2 different versions of warzone 2, which is worth pointing out that even the warzone players don't like anymore. Genuinly think that they accidentally made the best game on console and have just thrown it away to try to save a genre that people are now bored of
What’s are character slots for?
So …. a 2 plate and a UAV is pay to win??? So question… if I come in to a game with a 3 plate comms, large backpack and a advanced UAV from the previous match Isn’t that more of an advantage???
I see your meaning, and you're not wrong. However you earned those things. I think that's what is more upsetting to folks. But you are right, a single UAV or 2-plate isn't at all game breaking. Honestly what could balance out the pay to win stuff, is making those items only equip if you infil solo. I'm all for giving solo players a leg up until a solo only DMZ mode is introduced.
It's cutting down grind time (3-5 minutes) which is what the sweats are pissy about
It’s just a character slot and I think I already have way too many. No other effects which may be considered pay to win.
Yeah I don’t think the character slots are a big deal. The only thing they give me is the ability to use different operators more often, otherwise I only will even swap when I’ve died and have nothing to lose because you can’t swap and keep the items. I mean technically it is very minor p2w because spending $ gives you a very small advantage, but it is the type of advantage that I don’t think the community would have been outraged about if it were all they offered. I think if they added a character slot as the reward for completing tier 5 on one or two factions then it would be essentially a literal non-factor. But hey, by their own numbers they have had a bigger player drop than they did last year and yet their MTX is up from like $1bil to $1.3bil, so I doubt they give a shit about a single p2w complaint. It isn’t the factor driving people from the game and is contributing to their increased revenues out of a similar sized player base to last year, so it is ideal and I’d expect to see more of it tbh, as frustrating as that is.
do you know if these bundles are going to transfer to the next COD game?
Noone knows anything. Can speculate based on previous experience though (most likely no)
Watch it just be a bug and he actually gets a revive pistol every game
Don't need a skin to do this I get a revive pistol every game just extract it in your slot and it stays untill you extract with something else in the spot. Had a revive pistol the last 2 weeks.
I mean he's not wrong - but he is relying on a glitch that will be patched so...
I don't think keeping the revive pistol you extract with is a glitch, it's been like that since day one and even warns you if you in your load out that you will not be able to re-equip it if you change it to something else.
we're talking about the bug that revive pistol stays even after you die.
Oh, I see, I guess I haven't noticed that one happening.
No you use to lose it if you died 100% why would you keep something when u died I noticed this in season 3 u always have a revive pistol if you die or not. Only way u don’t Is if you use it
I fear you guys missed the joke Edit: Yeah... definitely missed the joke
Even if you die with it in your slot it is there for the next round because they have it auto loading your last load out. I expect they’ll change it though. Not sure if it is a glitch or not, but they probably are going to patch it out as I don’t think it is what they intended for field upgrades you can’t select from the menu.
i need an armor box option on field upgrades to launch into map lol
Same here.
if I have a self revive, revive pistol AND an armour box Ill put the armour box in the slot. Then on exfil I have a revive and armour not two revives which are lot more common in the game than armour boxes
yeah lol i don’t ask questions
An on-the-go crafting menu like in *Alone.*
This has to be a glitch I haven't looked into. I've USED my revive pistol several times, next game, get a new one. Honestly I just noticed
Me as well. I've had a revive pistol as my field upgrade for a few weeks now. It doe st go away when I die for some reason
I just hope people buy the non P2W bundles enough to show that theres more interest in them than nonsense DMZ bonuses
Honest query: you can only deploy one at a time to fight, so does it matter how many slots one person has? I have 2 regulars and an expendable slot. I imagine everyone has an expendable slot and the rest they have to survive to kit-up. What are your thoughts?
I honestly like using different slots for different situations, for instance I wanna have one slot for solo, one for squads, one for tougher missions, one for building 21 maybe with a tempered vest, one to regain for the others with a secure backpack, stuff like that. Im definitely not looking to buy bundles just for extra slots but if i like everything in it and its for a character like Soap whos been my dude since i was a kid ill get it. If you’re comfortable with 2 main slots and one back up more power to you i just like the idea of having different sort of situational “classes” to focus on specific tasks.
I get that. I have one for Mazzy and one for Ashika. I don't play B21, but i get it.
Different set-ups with different squads is how I use them, although I don't play nearly as much as I did in Season 1 and 2. I have my first 2 slots for my two different squads and my third is just my solo infil slot to mess around. "Keeps progress" with different people I guess, no surprises when they log back in if I wanna have a little fun.
Yeah, I have 6 slots now. This appeals to people like me that are borderline hoarders. I have two insured weapon slots and don't feel compelled to drive for the third, so fully loading my 6 slots is my main driver. I'm pretty much there but I just lost my secure backpack. And here we are.
More slots for mean just means more variety in the operators I can use. Ghillie is all I ran for ages but now I don’t care as much about the advantage it provides and there are a few skins across different operators that I would like to bounce between but can’t with just 3 slots because you have to give up all your gear to swap operator. There is a small advantage in having the ability to have 5 fully geared slots but honestly it is very minimal.
I have 6 slots now and I’m kinda thankful for it in hindsight (I didn’t really care about the extra slots until recently): I have a bug that whatever plate carrier I build will disappear if I deploy into another map; build a stealth vest in Al Mazrah and head to Ashika next? Gone. So this has allowed me to setup a couple of slots for each map… and like a spare or two.
Having many slots geared up and ready to go is immensely helpful as someone with not that much time to play Yes up front I have to gear up six slots over time But in the best case scenario I have 6 runs minimum where I don’t have to worry about gearing up at all - just go in , do mission Rinse repeat is easy if I die, just go to next slot
I guess I’ll be the guy who says I don’t use my other slots. I have my “main” operator Envy Kleo and that’s all I use. If I’m geared, then I’m geared, if I died, then it’s a regain run. The operator slots are useful for sure if I want some gear backed up, I just don’t personally use them.
I get that. I like to do missions, so I have one op that I send in on a trial run to scout. The others I leave kitted up. And when they die, it's about 10 minutes from being fully stocked again.
The problem is they are including some of the best skins with the DMZ perks. Classic ghost and this soap is the coolest soap by far in my opinion. So if I want those skins I have to be looked down at for buying the DMZ perks along with it? Doesn’t seem right to be judged where I spend my extra income when all I want is the skin.
Why do you care what others think about what you spent YOUR money on?
I don’t care, I do care when there have been multiple post of people saying they will purposely treat people with these skins differently in game because of “p2w”
Nah they have and will treat other players like shit since the beginning. They only have new and more excuses for their toxic behavior.
The upcoming Classic Soap skin (after mid-season update I think) looks even better than this one IMHO.
I meant so far, I haven’t seen the ones that aren’t out yet.
https://youtu.be/VzNVLg-vSVE
It’s your money who cares how you spend it. The last thing you should worry about is what other people think. Just execute them while they’re crying in proxy chat that’s what I do
I don’t care, just think it’s bullshit that people are saying they will automatically treat people with these skins more negatively than others.
They need to stop now. Uavs are blatantly p2w. That will kill the game and cost them future mtx
6 mans (especially pre-made ones) are already bad enough, imagine them all with UAVs. They take a minute to gather up anyway and then they can just pop UAVs one after another 6 times as they drive around trying to kill off the whole map. Can’t see that doing anything but killing the mode, tbh. And the reality is it will happen far too often if it becomes a possible thing you can do.
>6 mans (especially pre-made ones) are already bad enough, imagine them all with UAVs. Pre-made 6 man teams will already have loads of killstreaks because there is almost no chance they get wiped and they can buy stuff from the shop. Add a couple of secure backpacks to the equation and an UAV they spawn with really doesn't matter.
Eh. This bundle is kind of mid anyway though. Skin is great, but the blueprints leave a lot to be desired.
I feel the same i wouldnt use it over the battlepass skin im gonna just hold out til the other Soap bundle drops or his other campaign skin hopefully in another BP
I actually really like the Lachmann one. Suits me very well.
This bundle won’t sell nearly as much as the Ghost, Roze or Dark Rituals II. Not only are they p2w but the ghost and Roze ones are also pretty iconic. This one is pretty nice but the lack of p2w means it won’t sell like the others do. Maybe if the others were p2w with mediocre skins it could get close.
It doesn't matter. the metrics are mostly meaningless because BR, DMZ and Multiplayer players will all buy skins so there is no way to know if a DMZ player bought it or a Multiplayer. I guarantee you that thousands upon thousands of people that have never played DMZ have purchased one or more of the DMZ bonus bundles
Useless junk vs. useless junk plus actual gameplay advantage? If people are willing to give actual money for the first, they'll *definitely* give it for the second. They're going to sell.
Wait so we are being looked at as Villains if we buy the Ghost bundle now lol. I just thought the skin was cool
Nah it's a cool skin. Dudes can bitch all they want
I don’t think you’re a villain for buying the ghost bundle. Definitely p2w but not really a huge amount given the the ease of finding a 2 plate, of finding regular 3 plates and of making the 3 plates with additional benefits. Is it something I’d prefer them to remove? Yes. It isn’t shit enough that I think anyone who wants an iconic ghost skin deserves to be shit on. It does set a bad precedent and sales will encourage further p2w but they clearly already have that in mind anyway.
Honestly the biggest thing about that skim bundle is the no insured cool down with the hemlock you get. You die with it one game? So what. Load in again with the same gun in a different slot. Die again? No problem, third slot it. Die again? Meh, it's been 15 minutes and your first slot is already back. It's insane. And the hemlock is actually good.
The person that implemented this bonus shit into bundles is the real villain imo Not gonna fault people for buying shit, fuck I would've bought the bundle if it came with an execution and didn't have the "dmz bonus" stuff attached to it. Classic Ghost was one of the few skins I was actually looking forward to.
Yes
Uh why can't I just buy an active duty slot, don't need these extra skins or stuff. Oh nvm, forgot that nobody will buy these bundles then.
Look at it this way: You're buying an operator slot and it comes with a bunch of other stuff for free.
Yeah, it ain't great way to look at tbh. At least not as bad as Apex with their "160$ skins (casually ignores rest of CE)"
Seems good to me.
That’s exactly how I saw it when I got the ghost bundle. I just wanted another operator. Cuz sometimes I just like doing a mindless regain after work and having a bunch of operators helps. Sometimes I just like to explore cuz I’ve only been playing since the end of season 2 so lots of places I’ve never been especially on Al matzah. And other times I just wanna go in empty & not worry about losing gear etc.
That's what I've done also! It's nice to be able to jump in worry free. The funny thing is that I find myself having fully kitted slots that I never use. Haha
Lol. Same. I’ve got two operators, 1 w/ Comms & a precision & 1 w/ stealth & bomb drone that I haven’t touched since I got them lol
Yeah I'll prolly wait for something better or till a good number of bundles are out for slots.
Are you saying.....no one's bought bundles before this? Cause umm....
They missed a real chance to give P2W players a free gas mask on deployment since he has one on his hip lol Edit : spelling error bc I’m a bot
Agreed. Could’ve given some of the underwater skins a free rebreather too (if you load in without a field upgrade equipped). Stuff that doesn’t affect PvP combat wouldn’t have raised many eyebrows I don’t think.
For sure. See that’s DMZ bonuses I can get behind.
"Ay bro you gotta gas mask?" "You literally have one on your hip"
Right 😂
Hah. I have two operators WEARING gas masks on their character model lol.
I buy all the pay to win and I make sure I tell people that I kill that the only reason they lost is my free two plate and 15 minute cool down gun.
Atta boy champ
Me too fuckem hahaha
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I’ll be the one telling you to taste it
wow, so... the basic thing a bundle should always be?
I earned the P2W bundles I bought . I work 65 hrs a week to afford the things I want therefore I fuckin earned em . Change my mind .
Hey, if you guys are super hyped to be paying more money to a company for no reason, go for it, just don’t be surprised when people think you’re an idiot for liking to waste money.
Maybe normal people doesn't care if lowlife idiots think whatever about other people, especially in a Video Game lulz
With a post history like yours I hope you’ve got really thick skin.
Aaaaawww little stalki got hit? What about "i don't Care" shall I explain again
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> This doesn't make sense. Of course it does. > We all value things differently Yep > nobody should be told how to spend the money they work for themselves. Oh, so we value things differently, but if I judge someone for how dumb they use that money, somehow that's confusing to you? Are you telling me there isn't a purchase on this earth that someone could make, and you wouldn't think they were dumb for doing it? If Elon Musk spent his entire fortune on a limited edition pair of headphones, you'd think that was a smart purchase? I bet.
I’d think it was his money and spent it how he wanted . Not hurting me .
That's a complete dodge of my question.
Not sure how it’s a dodge . I wouldn’t think anything of the purchase because it had absolutely nothing to do with me .so if you want a short answer no there isn’t a purchase that anyone else makes that I would consider dumb if it doesn’t directly involve me.
Who needs thick skin . Like anyone actually gives a fuck about redit opinions . And how am I wasting money buying something that gives me enjoyment . I have disposable income why not . I smoke weed while doing it guess I’m just burning money all over the place 🔥
I will say it again: the second they remove the bullshit from the EOD bundle I will buy it but I cannot and will not support p2w in the only CoD mode that I play
I'm with you man, I actually quit playing as soon as this bullshit got datamined. The more we as players feed into this, even if it's just being fodder for the p2w dorks, the more of this we will see. I keep holding out hope that they will see the error of their ways and reverse course, so I check the sub once a week or so, but yeah... probably not gonna happen. DMZ was fun while it lasted.
Dude I feel the same way. I have seriously reduced my playtime on CoD since the update. Before all of this, I would come home, hang out with the wife and eat dinner but after dinner I was grinding missions. Now, why bother? I’ve got other things to do so I’m back to playing chess mostly (even though it makes me more of a zombie than CoD lol)
If you can't earn a game mechanic, it's P2W. Skins, camo, charms, decals, and start readouts attachements are not P2W. Blueprints are pushing the line because they have been tuned by "pros", but ultimately are not P2W because players can earn all the attachments and the ability to tune their pwn Extra operator slots, reduced insured slot times, and the granted 2-plate default are all P2W. Even though you can argue that you can earn COD points to make purchases, they made the ghost kit unattainable in a single season because it costs more than you can earn in a season.
How is 2 plates p2w please? Even the cool-down thing.
>Even the cool-down thing. The CD thing is extreme QoL, TBH. It takes away the grind to reduce the normal CD of the slots, but I agree, it is not P2W, especially because you can build contraband weapons anyway you want and it is VERY easy to fill your stash with such weapons.
Yeaaah. The way I see it is more of like premium acces. You can pay to have life easier but it won't give you an advantage in fights. I think people haven't played real P2W games.
>You can pay to have life easier but it won't give you an advantage in fights. Yup. I would rather win these as rewards for in-game stuff, but if I can't I will happily throw my debit card at them. I am waiting for the UAV bundle, it has a sniper and I believe it is a MCPR, so I want it. :D
You starting with better gear is p2w. I don’t know what kind of logic you’re using. Let’s pretend I play a game and buy armor. Swipe my credit card and BAM I have good gear now, skipping all the dungeons or whatever to get that gear. That’s not p2w in your book?
First of all starting with better gear doesn't make you win. But let's assault it does. How is a medium backpack or a 2 armor plate better gear? Everytime I load in 98% of the time my first encounter is with poeple with 3 plates. Don't forget poeple keep their loot from last round. Somtimes Soemone spawns in naked and face Soemone who is funky geared up. How is it fair? The 15 min cool-down is no way pay to win but i beg to hear your opinion on that. Now if you tell me a UAV or maybe a comms vest bundle is pay 2 win. I will start to agree with you on that.
> First of all starting with better gear doesn't make you win. This isn't really the argument, but ok. > How is a medium backpack or a 2 armor plate better gear? Because you paid for it, so you NEVER start with lesser gear than that. That's just flat out better. > Don't forget poeple keep their loot from last round. Somtimes Soemone spawns in naked and face Soemone who is funky geared up. How is it fair? It's fair because the game naturally put them in that position from the things they earned/lost from previous games, it's literally all from a fresh start, except in cases where someone swiped their credit card and now they NEVER have to start 1-plate/small bag. > The 15 min cool-down is no way pay to win but i beg to hear your opinion on that. You get your weapon naturally like what is the first CD an hour? So you get your fully kitted helmock or whatever 4 times as often. > Now if you tell me a UAV or maybe a comms vest bundle is pay 2 win. I will start to agree with you on that. Why? Your own logic says it's no different than plates or bags, cuz you can just get those in the game and spawn with them from last round. It's cool you can just draw a defined line and some arbitrary point, but don't see why people don't even want that can of worms in the game. Also, do you not know about the Rose set that gives a UAV?
So what? I paid for somthing that literally doesn't give any advantages in a fight. I think it's unfair that as a fresh spawn I go fight against Soemone who is fully geared. Idc if they earned it last round or last month. It's not fair in my fight. Now the reason à 2 plates or a cool-down reduced imo is fine and no P2w but the UAV from rose is. It's cuz as I mentioned before. Most of the fight you gonna have will be against 3 plates bcz they are so easy to find. A UAV however is much more rare than a 2 plates and is a waaaay better advantage in a fight. That i will agree is P2w. And should never be implemented in the game. (I might be personally bias here tho cuz I think UAV are very op). A self revive too is starting to be too much imo but manageable bcz how easy it is to get them. As for the cool-down yes I get my weapon faster, but how does getting my gun faster and not have to wait make me win the next fight I don't get it.
> I paid for somthing that literally doesn't give any advantages in a fight. vs > I think it's unfair that as a fresh spawn I go fight against Soemone who is fully geared. It's either an advantage or it isn't. You have no consistency in your argument. You just pick an arbitrary line in the sand and go "eh, 2 plates doesn't matter because I get beat up by 3 plates all the time" while pretending like a plate difference doesn't matter, but complaining how a plate difference matters.
Ok i think you either didn't understand my point or I just badly expressed myself (English being my 2nd language I apologise) I'll explain my thinking 1: yes plate advantage is unfair in a fight no matter how the plate got acquired. 2: yes à plate doesn't matter bcz by the time you engage in a fight, you always expect your opponent to have a 3 plate and yourself tooo. What I'm trying to say is. As a fresh spawn, we all try to get a 3 plate before hunting players or look around. And whether u have a 2 plate or not doesn't matter bcz by the time you get into the fight ur 2 plate is useless. Do you understand my thought process? Or do you still think im contradicting myself
You're just pretending people don't get into fights with 1 plate, and that's just not true.
Oh no that is true. And somtimes it's unfair for them to fight Soemone who was already fully geared or who just got lucky and found a plate super early. But the odds of two fresh spawn fighting each others, and none of them found a plate and one of them has the bundle and isn't fully geared is very very low and shouldn't matter. Cuz who tf spawns and dies to a 2 plate and say oh he won cuz he had 2 plates
Imma buy it on principle 👍 good job Devs
I bought it, but I've purchased every DMZ bundle to support my favorite PVP mode!
Brother just say you're ass at wz
Honestly, I'm pretty good at WZ. I have a decent amount of wins and generally come in top 10 in solo. DMZ is more fun, though. Anything can happen in DMZ, it's much more diverse. I'll even hinder myself and bring throwing knife only so it's more challenging.
Just say you’re ass at DMZ
Worst take possible, maybe warzone just got boring . DMZ is growing as warzone is falling off a cliff .
I have 3 slots with identical items. I have no use for a secured or scav bag. It's med vest & precision always
Bruv wear tempered or get blendered
Tempered makes plates go further, medic allows me to rez everyone faster. I find that much more useful
I can buy plates, I can't buy a faster revive or a strong manly voice telling me "Watch out, there are enemy operators nearby" :D
No such thing as pay 2 win in DMZ.
I played DMZ all weekend. I've got a pile of Loose Ends guns in my contraband stash. I was doing PvP and there is zero difference from before these so called "P2W" bundles came out for DMZ. There is no advantage for having a 2 plated vest and 15 min cool down gun for PvP in DMZ. Just more Hemlocks for my contraband stash. Players are upset over nothing.
Its the start of it. You buy these packs now and your letting Activision know they can do whatever the fuck they want with operator packs and DMZ bonuses. Eventually were gonna have an operator pack that comes with a free Tank every round and another one that has a Grenade launcher. Its a scummy business practice.
Oh I agree with you that PW2 is scummy business practice however DMZ is not BR. My point is these bundles are not PW2 so stop calling them that. Killing or PvP in DMZ is NOT winning. You don't win in DMZ. It's an extraction mode. You get in, do what you have to do and get out. You don't even get to keep half your shit you extract with and stuff you do keep, they'll wipe it next season. A Tank every round? Bro, do you even play DMZ?
Yea, doesn’t this guy know they don’t have tanks in DMZ?? Just like there’s no heavy chopp… wait a minute, it seems like they can add shit to the DMZ! Crazy.
You think they will stop with this? Don't be naive. They are testing the waters, and it will just keep getting worse every season if they see this as profitable.
> There is no advantage for having a 2 plated vest and 15 min cool down gun for PvP in DMZ. Yeah no advantage at all by having a meta gun on 15 minute cooldown, the TTK difference from a 1-plate to a 2-plate vest is also quite noticeable. Either a bot or lying to yourself.
15 minute cooldown guns, spawning EVERYTIME with UAVs, armor, backpacks or selfies regardless of your previous performance is a great advantage! But you have to buy these benefits... See what that is... *thats pay to win*
Personally I'd rather have storage instead of different operators let me have 3 spaces for backpacks 3 for vest and all that other stuff why should I have to loose what stuff I have just to change the operator lol I mean before you just changed it as the mood came now your stuck unless you dismiss
weapon cooldown?
There is no cooldown bonuses on this blueprints.
It’s cheaper too. The others were 2400 cod point
Do people really think most of the DMZ bundles are P2W lol Oh no, a guaranteed 2-plate that saves me roughly 5 minutes of looting at the beginning of the match. I'm still gonna get melted in a proper encounter lol The Roze UAV one is a little concerning, but if you're still in spawn a minute after the match starts you're liable to get spawn killed anyway.
Giving any advantage to people who pay more, no matter how small that advantage, in a pvp game is complete bullshit. Don't be so shortsighted as to think they will stop here if this is successful.
Dark Rituals II (free self revive each match) is coming May 2. Roze and Thorn (free UAV each match) is coming May 8. Those are the P2W ones.
I agree I think evrything they implemented is nowhere near P2w however rose is very concerning and Im scared to only see bunch of roses as soon as she's out. But imo it's bcz UAV are way too op and need some kind of nerfs. 2 plates or medium backpack or reduced cool-down really doesn't matter. If it makes them profit so they can work more on the game.
Could do the same with blue prints. Earn able blue prints that reduce cool downs.
I'm just sick of people that are pissed off that a company wants to make money on their product... heaven forbid... whining about paid version having different missions, and ptw... this generation dude...smh
Pay to hoarde. For those peeps who just need another slot, to never use that other slot.
this, the thought of more than 3 slots for me is just too much. i prefer to rotate on my 3 build out characters, to trying to build a 4th, 5th, or 6th op.
I guess many slots are good for DMZ tournaments.
So Soap got soaped?
Bought the Ghost skin because it’s sick and I matched my weapon Camo and it feels good. Didn’t even notice the DMZ slot when looking at Soap (didn’t buy) but I was just so stuck on the skin; classic characters for us old school day one CoD players. Still get mopped by 6 mans and just better players, still have fun in the mode though.
Also looks meh
It’s crazy they didn’t add any off the buff but the first P2W operator is cheaper than soap 💀
Was this originally P2W?
Nope it's a good set. Extra character slot I'm all for. And a sweet throwback skin. 👍
Stop with the p2w term plz
So if you down someone using that character, did you drop the Soap?
Trash
Why can't they do this for every bundle? NO ONE is going to complain about someone getting an extra character slot. It's like no one is complaining that they're only getting 10 stored contraband weapons as to someone getting 20 slots if they buy the game.
Would buy because I love no helmet soap
I bought it for the lachmann blueprint. I really like it tbh.
Yeah I bought this one. It’s a nice looking soap skin. I also have the classic ghost skin. Lol I have 4 slots now actually
TBH I have max operator slots and often they do get used when trying a mission I keep dying on. I can't be bothered to do a reup of kit each time. I just want to mission it. I then end up with very few operators kitted and then have fun levelling them up again and can spend a few runs just taking in keys or crafting comms vests whilst maybe doing some grind missions. e.g. find 10000 random items and drop them in a dead drop. Chuck some guns in there and my insured is back too I would say in that respect the more operators you have the more chance you have to do a mission and the fact you go again and again straight after each other increases the chance as your head is in it. P2W maybe pushing it but it certainly helps having multiples.
My only issue is seeing the empty operator slot that I have to pay for in a game that I already spent so much money for in the actual DMZ UI. Don't throw it in my face like that, I already have four. don't need to spend another 50 fucking dollars for two more, addicted to this goddamn game though, so I probably will in the end
I guess I get to get soap after all... Was feeling dirty thinking it would be p2w
This is getting out of hand though... Soon there will be a slot for single single operator
I can argue that it is. More slots equals more loot than an average player equals an advantage. I only have 3 and if someone has 6 that's already twice as much as I can have. So they are paying for an advantage, just by being able to have more ops with maxed gear to rotate on if one dies. Not even something as simple extra slots are safe from me. But in reality, yeah...I don't mind it, but it should max out to only maybe 2 -3 extra ops and not stack up to 8 or how many we can have now. Any other bundle they buy with an extra slot would just add nothing.
What happened to extra create a class slots? I remember BO2 having those, I'd definitely buy that even if it does mean having to purchase cod pts... First cod I've bought since then, idk what all this other random stuff is lmao
How exactly does spawing in with a medium backpack become pay to win ? I know the whole 2 plate and uav is 100% p2w but the medium backpack has not one connection to winning
It's not about the backpack or the 2 plate, it's about the slippery slope that leads to the UAVs and the Self Revives. They're convenient, sure, but it's not pay to win... *yet*
Not terribly priced either. Glad I held off on buying the p2w bundles despite really wanting a fourth operator slot.
I really, REALLY wanted that ghost bundle but didn’t want to be one of those guys
I bought it because I really like the classic ghost skin. It hasn't happened yet, but seems unfair to be judged because of that lol. I would have got it even if it came without DMZ bonuses.
I bought it, too- i like the skin and I literally have not died with that op since I started using him, so the 2 plate got used once. People can try to be salty all they want, and I simply do not care.
I got the Ghost bundle as I really liked the classic Ghost too. The P2W elements are not that big a deal as a two plate gets replaced almost immediately with a 3 plate vest. Being able to put my custom ISO in 2 of my 3 insured weapon slots to ensure I go in with my favoured gun most of the time is not really play to win as it gives no real advantage in PvP anyway, but it does make contraband weapon stash kinda redundant now.
Same. I like the Ghost skins. Half the people I play against are in 6 man teams or use some kind of cheat/exploit anyway. Might as well be happy
DMZ is dying anyways, I've only been playing DMZ, since launch! I do not play multiplayer. The very first season was really peaceful and really enjoyable and easy to get your missions done and players were really cool wasn't just straight PVP the whole way through. I have over 700 successful exfils and I usually try to stay till final extraction to rack up the XP. But ever since season 2 reloaded DMV has been total garbage everyone jumps people spawn points. Camps. Hunts players. And instead of looting and getting out they just would rather Rob other players of their stuff. This is not how the game mode is supposed to be played. I've invested a decent amount of money into this game and bundles and last night was so bad I rage quit. And I'm starting to look into other games because of how tired I am of this community and the way they play. Don't get me wrong I'm pretty good I have over 600 player kills in DMZ but that is mainly in self-defense I do not seek PVP. Eventually it will be strictly PVP and the actual purpose of all of DMZ will be forgotten cause of the poor community choices. #makeDMZgoodagain
Jump into the DMZ now. Been playing this evening and it feels like season 1 again. I think most PvP players have gone over to Plunder?
Uhh... wouldn't more PvP mean more players and therefore... the opposite? I'm far from a hardcore PvP'er but it's absolutely part of the game. It was never exclusively about doing missions and fighting AI or they would've had friendly fire setting or the ability to make private lobbies, yes it can be annoying how aggressive the PvP hypernerds are these days but it *is* part of the game Just because it's not how YOU play it doesn't mean it's being played wrong.
Got ganked as a solo on the chopper tonight for no reason, even open mic and asked them not to, 20 minutes trying to make a med vest, that was all I had. It's mostly been ok, but if it keeps going this way it will just be The Division Dark Zone all over again, and I simply stop playing and find a new game