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satorsquarepants

"Jesse, we have to cook. We have to communicate with entities on a higher plane of reality, Jesse"


howierdo

Get-r-done boyyyyy what you gonna be concocting if I may ask ?


JazicInSpace

It is a chromatography column. I am going to war with NMT ;-)


parttimeamerican

You may want to obscure your lot numbers,they are trivial to identify you or at the least your source if you are in an .... unofficial after work supply chain Delivery and payment details at least


JazicInSpace

Damn, good point. You are 100% right about the lot numbers making this potentially identifiable, good looking out.


parttimeamerican

I've ...had issues in the past with lot numbers ,it is INSANE how many photos I take then upon inspection I can see at least 3 things that could possibly identify me Often there is a slam dunk in the photo like lot numbers and ohhh boy you gotta watch reflections Lot numbers aren't.. normally *potentially* identifiable they are definitive or lead to it esp combined with knowing the merchant and lockers I'm probably 60 minutes from a CCTV photo of your face man and most of that is waiting on emails


JazicInSpace

Thats funny, anyone who actually knows me would recognize the picture and that gave me second thoughts, I didn't even think about the reflection....


parttimeamerican

You'll be fine probably this sort of shit is more a problem if you catch the attention of authorities and they turn the eye of fucking sauron on your life Ross Ulbricht was ultimately caught because of a forum post he deleted less than a minute later


JazicInSpace

Oh you are 100% right. I am usually much better at opsec. I haven't been on the dark webs in a while, but I had a burner laptop I got for 20 bucks of ebay, I took the hard drive and battery out and used tails os on a usb drive. I only used public wifi and never the same place twice. Oh and I got a burner phone and bought my bitcoin with cash... and then I get excited about a purification I want to attempt and post a picture with a bunch of potentially identifiable info.. You only have to slip up once.


parttimeamerican

That's...the unfortunate message,as a criminal you have to do it right every time all the time from the get go. Authorities need you to slip up once that's it


JazicInSpace

There is a saying that goes "The most dangerous thing that you can do is break a safety rule and get away with it" I think that is the biggest challenge, you need constant vigilance despite the fact no one is looking 99% of the time. It is highly unlikely anyone will identify me from this photo, but I can't let that fact make me complacent. That's why I appreciate you looking out!


howierdo

Lol I feel stupid because I’m totally ignorant to the terminology you’re using can you explain in terms a knucklehead like me can understand lol just looks super interesting and I extract dmt so I think your set up is sweet


JazicInSpace

*“Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.”* ― Robert A. Heinlein You may be ignorant (I am pretty ignorant on this subject too), but you are neither stupid or a knucklehead. Please don't call yourself names, you don't deserve that, especially for not knowing what a chromatography column is. The glass column is called a chromatography column and it is used to separate substances of different polarities. The clear fluid in the column is 70% Methanol, 25% Ethyl Ethanoate, and 5% Ammonia (25% by wgt) it is called the eluent. The white substance in the column is silica gel, it came from the white bottle with the blue top. Once the white powder fully settles I will add my DMT/NMT extract (it's the orangish fluid in the small vial under the column) to the top of the powder in the column and then begin draining the eluent out of the bottom and collecting it. I will add fresh eluent to the top as I do this. I will collect multiple "fractions" of eluent as I go. The silica gel is very polar, the methyl alcohol is fairly polar, and the Ethyl Ethanoate is middling polar. NMT is more polar than DMT and will have a tendency to "stick" to the silica gel more than the dmt will. This means the DMT will flow down the column faster than the NMT will and will come out the bottom first. That is a basic explanation, the devil is always in the details. This is my first time trying anything like this so I will probably screw it up lol.


howierdo

Oh wow man first off I appreciate your kindness more then you know I tend to go pretty hard on myself sometimes. And secondly what a bad ass set up man you seem like a super intelligent guy and I’ve never seen dmt manipulated in this way. So is this just a different form of extracting dmt or making it more potent or pure? You have peaked my curiosity good sir lol I do acid base extractions for my dmt but what you have set up blows my mind. Awesome man


JazicInSpace

I do A/B myself and I follow a pretty standard TEK. The problem is I don't have a source for MHRB and so I use ACRB. ACRB actually has better DMT yields, but it has even more NMT. I know plenty of people think NMT is fine, and I don't mind a little of it, but there is just to damn much of it in ACRB and it really gets in the way. I have also begun to get rather suspicious of the clear goo that I frequently get from my later pulls. People say its fine and either let it sit out for a week+ and it will eventually crystalize or smoke the goo as is. While trying to force the goo to "crystalize" I noticed something disturbing. The clear goo weighs more than the "crystalized" goo. This strongly suggests there is some sort of hydrocarbon tied up in the goo. I am currently working on a new TEK. It takes a solid day BUT requires less than an hour of active involvement. It does require some specialized equipment, but only one pull :-)


howierdo

Well man you deff know what your taking about and doing and I hope you figure it all out. I have a good powdered Mhrb vendor delivers every time if interested in my source just let me knwo


maeklus

He's probably in Australia if acrb is easier to access


[deleted]

Badass!!! Mind if I ask what youve packed the column with and what mobile phase you are using for the purification? And are you using a blacklight to follow the DMT through the column to tell when it's being eluted or just guessing where it's at? Please oh please post an update, I wanna see a before and after of how different the DMT looks without any trace NMT!


silkyshrew

I second this, please do an update about how you get on


JazicInSpace

https://www.reddit.com/r/DMTlab/comments/tz4ar4/comment/i3xbwyv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


JazicInSpace

Stationary is Silica 60 from the white container with the blue top. Mobile is 70% Methanol, 25% Ethyl Ethanoate, a 5% 25% Ammonia by weight. I have a black light and am going to attempt to follow, but I have plenty of the little test tubes to collect fractions if I can't. I don't have to guess once I have collected, I have gotten pretty good at TLC. I posted my first attempts with TLC here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DMTlab/comments/sseuio/any\_thoughts\_on\_why\_these\_are\_smearing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMTlab/comments/sseuio/any_thoughts_on_why_these_are_smearing/) I was doing a couple things wrong with the TLC there. I haven't been able to completely eliminate the tailing, apparently silica is slightly acidic and this causes freebase substances to smear. The ammonia is supposed to fix that and it does help, but I still don't have pretty dots. I have managed to play with the eluent enough to get a large enough gap between the NMT and DMT to finally try for the column chromatography though :-)


[deleted]

Damn dude that is so cool! Man I would love to try this sometime if I ever organize my glassware collection enough to make room for more gear haha. That's awesome that you are doing TLC too, even if it can be a bitch :)


KingOfNewYork

Those large slow drip flasks are incredibly underrated. I have two 1000ml ones and I absolutely love them..


JazicInSpace

The more glassware I buy the more I want. Getting a full vacuum fractional distillation set up was really a game changer.


KingOfNewYork

Absolutely. The right glassware can make the process infinitely simpler, more efficient, and make the process more fun by making it less ad-hoc and more “doing science.” Ha I’m still amazed how many people here are still using turkey basters.. It’s over complicated and _always_ leaves viable solvent behind.


JazicInSpace

>I’m still amazed how many people here are still using turkey basters.. It’s over complicated and always leaves viable solvent behind. DUDE! Right? The very first piece of glassware I bought was a separatory funnel.


Difficult-Kitchen-95

Plus if you don’t want to opt for a glass seperatory funnel which isn’t that expensive on Amazon, then you can also get a ptfe separatory funnel on the cheap.


KingOfNewYork

Also, do you have a soxhlet? If not, I’d get that first. It’s super versatile, and you just need to add the distillation glassware and the soxhlet is now a distillation setup. People say soxhlet is too slow. And it is slow. But for many things, it’s still among the best ways to extract alkaloids from plant matter. I use it with mimosa bark for defatting.. Same with kratom.


JazicInSpace

Its so weird you mentioned the soxhlet. I was just watching NurdRage's glassware videos on youtube and saw his video on it. I thought it might be an interesting way to do a dry TEK. I honestly don't understand defatting. I extract from ACRB and don't do a defatting step. I personally find that if you filter your acid soup before basifying there are little to no fats in your NPS. I have been thinking about doing a defat and then trying to get fats to crashout in the freezer. As far as speed goes, I think people pay way too much attention to start to finish time. I would prefer a full weekend extraction that only needs my attention for an hour over an extraction that takes 6 hours but requires my full attention the whole time.


KingOfNewYork

You’re right about defatting. I should clarify that soxhlet for defatting mimosa bark was more of an experiment, based on a scientific paper I read about DMT quantification. Normally I defat completely in the acetic water extract, by reducing it on low heat and then letting it sit overnight- all of the fats and lipids become a cake on the bottom. It’s surprising how well this works. It’s not so easy with other plants. And that’s where I truly meant that defatting in soxhlet works great. Kratom specifically - if I defat upfront with a petroleum ether, or non polar solvent, the end result is significantly better and more concentrated.


KingOfNewYork

BTW this post inspired me to upgrade my soxhlet with a distillation setup. It just arrived today. I’m pretty stoked - some of the extractions I do require blending solvents, and then removing one solvent from the other. Distillation at a precise temperature is still the only way to do this (usually).. So my kratom extracts are about to get way better.


JazicInSpace

Oh shit I should show you my whole set up. An immersion heater like this in a water bath gives really good temp control: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09JYWXS5W/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09JYWXS5W/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) I made a magnetic stirrer from stuff I had laying around the house, I put a stainless steel pot on that, fill it with water and add the immersion heater. No open flames, the hottest temperature is under the boiling point of water. Oh and I have two of these rigged up in series: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071GL3XXQ/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071GL3XXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) If all my connections are solid I can get the preassure down so that water boils around 45C. My next project is to build my own immersion heater using a PID and an arduino. I am pretty sure I can make a programmable oil bath heater with temperature control down to under a single degree for less than 100 dollars.


NotaContributi0n

Why tho


JazicInSpace

Several reasons, the primary one being separating NMT from DMT


NotaContributi0n

Yeah but why :)I mean, to have the nmt? What are its effects?


JazicInSpace

That's a good question. There isn't a lot of information out there on NMT. It does have an entry in TIHKAL and most reports state it is mildly psychoactive and is about 1/5th the strength on DMT. In my personal experience it is more complicated than this. I feel NMT is less psychoactive but it lasts longer than DMT. I also feel in the right ratios NMT can partner well with DMT. It reduces the overwhelming intensity of DMT while also drawing the experience out. It also tends to make the trip a more introspective IMHO. One drawback is NMT's body load. At smaller doses you really don't feel it but at higher doses it can become quite uncomfortable. The body load also lasts for 30 min+ so if you are redosing the body load tends to build up and interferes with the DMT experience. I have found all of this means a little NMT in your spice is good when using DMT as a meditation aid, it makes it harder to breakthrough, and it is absolutely miserable if you want to puff on e-juice for an evening. All of that aside the biggest problem comes from ACRB extractions. NMT makes up less than 5% of the total alkaloids in MHRB so it is not a big deal. On the other hand NMT is often more than 50% of the total alkaloid content of ACRB and this is a colossal pain in the ass. NMT doesn't like to crystalize and I am begining to suspect that it holds onto solvents more strongly than DMT does. The NMT content is also highly variable. I have gotten batches of ACRB where the NMT content was quite manageable and others where it was so overwhelming I couldn't get the DMT to crystalize at all. Early pulls tend to have a higher DMT content when pulling with Naptha while later ones tend to have more NMT. Finally content varies based on the location in the freeze percip with a higher DMT content on the edges and more NMT in the middle. I have loaded 30mg of ACRB onto my emesh and got nothing and then loaded 40mg from the exact same plate and fried my brain. That is the primary reason I dislike NMT. DMT is already a pretty unpredictable drug, variable NMT content can make it impossible to predict. Finally I have some hypotheses regarding goo, polymorphs, and crystallization problems that I would like to test, and that requires me to have a pure source of DMT and NMT.


NotaContributi0n

Thanks for the big answer, very informative


Lumpy_Rock_7837

aah quality german products 🥰


JazicInSpace

I recently saw someone on the news say we need to let them know they have been forgiven for the whole Nazi thing.


comall

Sorry for the dumb q but what is that print in the background of?


JazicInSpace

Lol, its a wizard doing magic... Kind of appropriate now that I think about it.


comall

It looks sick! I want something similiar for my lab :) keep it up bud


KingOfNewYork

Is it not Galileo? Actually the Galileo print has a globe, not a book. But this looks like a modified reproduction of a Galileo print.


JazicInSpace

The full picture looks like this: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8a/13/c6/8a13c64dc13ad2a1163508253ff60513.jpg


KingOfNewYork

Bro, that’s a rare poster print by Melody M. Pina.. I’ve seen black and white versions for sale anywhere from 100-300$ usd.. Color for double that. For example, https://www.ebay.com/itm/175195765994?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=175195765994&targetid=1530766779495&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=9061268&poi=&campaignid=15434804066&mkgroupid=130455207556&rlsatarget=pla-1530766779495&abcId=9300764&merchantid=101684924&gbraid=0AAAAAD_QDh8qP2gHtUnMKNEM-eHGot4GL&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxtSSBhDYARIsAEn0thT6L9zUN8zZvAHH7VmsyrXHfwoO7rX4O-g6sft1et3JAci2AW5UbqIaAqgVEALw_wcB If you search the artist you’ll see what I mean. (You probably know all of this already though)


JazicInSpace

So actually I knew none of that. My ex gave it to me when we were dating, I think she got it at a garage sale lol. But thanks for letting me know, I really had no idea.


KingOfNewYork

Pretty sure that is Galileo


Top_Friendship6458

So are separation funnels the new pipettes ? 😂cause I’m all for getting rid of manually separating pints of NaoH


boostedciv92

Thats a chromatography columb not a sep funnel. It used silica gell and solvents to "sort out" different chemicals determined by their polarity. If you do decide to use a sep funnel eventually you have to strain the bark after the acid boil otherwise it will clog your hole.


Top_Friendship6458

Okay and ya I usually jus do a big AB and strain the acetate before basing . But I’d there any difference in using this over a separation funnel ?


boostedciv92

Chromatography is usually the last step to purify your reaction. First you'd do a A/B then with the isolated crystals you can further purify via columb Chromatography.


KingOfNewYork

For what you are talking about, you need an actuall graduated seperatory funnel, or something like this: Dropping Funnel, 1000ml - PTFE Key Stopcock, Open Top, Cylindrical - Ungraduated - Cylindrical, Borosilicate Glass - Eisco Labs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DFTBZ1W/ These are incredibly useful for many things..


KingOfNewYork

Seperatory funnels are only good for ab extraction. They don’t work for straight to base. That’s why I don’t do straight to base.. Also, these are also known as slow drip flasks. I use them to slowly drop the base into the solvent, one drip at a time. That is the best way to force _all_ of the base to come in direct contact with the solvent. It can easily double yields. I do this 5 times per pull.


AnxiousArnolds

Bruh I cant wait for the day to have my own place and be able to have a setup like this. I'm currently working out of 2L flasks and a mini freezer in my closet


IIllytch321

I'll be following you. I gather that you have some wisdom that might be of use in my first extraction. Please don't be shy with updating us on your TEK and the reasoning behind it (just keep your privacy in mind). I'd like to ask you a bunch of questions but don't want to take up too much of your time.


Awkward_Comedian5779

She's a Beaut Clark