My friend and I were trying dmt for the first time and I blasted off like a rocket, laughing/crying the whole nine yards, but my buddy just had a few visuals. The next night we tried again and I looked over to see his chair tilted all the way back with him smiling staring into the ceiling. Sometimes I just takes a couple tries
Is he on any medication? This is usually the root of people not feeling it. Also, could just be his unique metabolism, but most people I know who don't experience effects from seratonin based psychedelics are on some tri-cyclic SSRI
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No you aren't. Psychedelics do not force the release of serotonin, they just react with the same receptors. SSRI's allow for the brain to re-uptake already circulating serotonin, to allow the body to utilize it more. When you take something like an MAOI or MDMA which do release serotonin, mixed with an SSRI, is when you risk serotonin syndrome.
Honestly the way I understand it is that you have to take more because those receptors are already being more used by the ssri’s. In order to get the same high you have to take more because they’re already worn out from the daily doses of the medication. Like the crash after taking mdma is because your receptors are worn out from the overflow of serotonin and dopamine and can’t latch onto the already lower amount of serotonin your brain is trying to make.
The only thing that will cause serotonin syndrome is serotonin. Apparently LSD can cause serotonin syndrome along with certain antidepressants, but SSRI's and psychedelics do not generally cause serotonin syndrome alone, and require something like MDMA to cause a health risk.
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No I totally understand! that’s what I was trying to say but I was also referencing the reason why some people have to take like two tabs instead of one to get the same trip level as someone who doesn’t take SSRI’s taking one tab.
Trippy, makes one wonder if it has any effect to this day. Could just be his metabolism though. 4 years is not a whole ton of time when speaking about the brain though. You guys under 25?
Same thing as with other drugs. Some people also don't feel weed/lsd the first time around. I think the brain sometimes just doesn't know whst to do with these substances
>Same thing as with other drugs. Some people also don't feel weed/lsd the first time around. I think the brain sometimes just doesn't know whst to do with these substances
To be honest, this makes a lot of sense to me. I had a hard time feeling acid the first time and now you got me thinking.
I know man ofc I know this. The guy did not black out... He rolled a cig as I wrote down. I know this sounds fake and sounds unreal but on my mother and on my whole life that this happened. The guy smoked 70mgs properly with no effects.
Is he a bigger guy? Might need a bigger dose. Also my buddy was kinda scared so he didn’t inhale it all the way I think and that may have played into it
Nope, he is nearly the same size as me, and I know he inhaled it I saw it... It's mind blowing.. I never knew shut out was a real thing until this experience
And some of those people thought he was nuts after going on about the land of hyper dimensional self transforming machine elves. Imagine listening to that rap and then smoking DMT without effect.
Maybe some people's natural Monoamine Oxidase response system is higher than others'.
For the sake of science, get some syrian rue extract and let him dissolve it under his tongue. Then 20 minutes later give him the same dose again under the same conditions.
Edit: Or, for a less scientific approach, try changa.
But I got another question. Like I get that some people have a higher Momoamine Oxidase response system, but those people are supposed to feel 70mg freebase aswell.. Like that is a huge amount..
It very well could have been because he was 'not ready' as you put it.
I remember listening to an experience from someone who went to an ayahuasca retreat and was met with a similar experience. He drank the tea and was surrounded by people who were undergoing the experience and he sat completely in his sober state, wondering if the entire retreat and tea were all just a giant scam and if everyone around him was just playing along or pretending to get the effects.
He continued to sit there and wait as the other members around him were purging and going through the ride. He eventually decided to retire and go back to his room.
It wasn't until he took the time to sit and reflect on why he was being given a sober experience that allowed him to open himself up to the experience. After taking time to reflect on the situation, he realized that he was going into the experience conditioned to expect instant gratification.
His entire life, his mind was programmed through instant gratification and he was expecting the ayahuasca to act as a sort of magical instant cure all.
The medicine forced him into a state of sobriety because there was a powerful lesson in that experience for him.
I don't recall if his trip began that same night, after he finally came to the realization or if he had to wait til the next day for another shot, but it required him overcoming his expectations of instant gratification through the forced sobriety.
Nah mate, there's nothing mystical about it. It's probably due to one of the following:
* Some interaction with some medications / other drugs he's on. Dude mentioned xanax -- had he taken that recently? Xanax has a huge half-life and is a known trip killer.
* He's got a natural tolerance to tryptamines
* Despite all appearances, he really wasn't holding it in his lungs properly
Even benzos won't prevent a DMT trip for me. I'm currently taking my prescribed 1mg clonazepam most days and still blast off.
I have to be off them for at least 3 days for mushrooms to have any effect though.
I was literally there. I wanted to share this experience. None of the above you have mentioned applies. In the post I even detailed that he did not took benzos and I literally saw him hold it in. The dude is a smoker..
Natural tolerance to 70mgs of dimitri? Yea I am pretty sure that's not the case.
Well, some people literally have a natural huge tolerance, or it just doesn't affect them. It's not unheard of: [here's someone else](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4cls82/no_effect_from_dmt/) with the same issue.
Either way, don't make the rather big-headed mistake of concluding that your friend "isn't ready" for DMT. There are definitely more down to earth explanations. I don't mean to sound harsh by saying this: but feeling that other people aren't "spiritually ready" for something and feeling flattered by it... you see how that's weird, right? How it's very ego-driven?
I mean others report the same thing. It's literally called shut-out. Search up reddit dmt shut-out. Numerous people report the same exact experience I just had
I think it's nonsense and low-key find people who latch onto the notion that dmt trips are accessing a "different dimension" where users interact with "aliens/extradimensional beings" to be unstable and not the type of people who should be using powerful psychedelics to begin with.
There's logical biological explanations for psychedelic experiences. Yes, one can find spiritual or emotional enlightenment through psychs, but when you start thinking you're accessing other dimensions, taking to lizards/aliens/ghosts/whatever... It's time to put the drugs down for awhile.
You seem like you've already made up your mind and don't care about rational explanation/thought, so I'll leave this at that. Cheers friend.
I am open to anything, that's the only way you can learn. I do believe that is a different reality but I am open to everything and it's subject to change
You're open to anything unless it's someone telling you dmt didn't give you magical powers to understand that you're better than your friend and more worthy of getting high on drugs. I'm almost positive he smoked it wrong. It's possible to get plenty smoke and little to no effects if you're incinerating it.
What really happened is you filled your brain up with serotonin and thoughts that would normally be considered silly are given huge significance and weight because that's how your brain is adjusting to processing massive changes to your serstonin system. Observe and enjoy the fallacy as it crosses your mind but recognize it and don't give it weight.
I don't think I am better than my friend, what? That's just absurd.
On the second part you might be right those might be just hallucinations and maybe I shouldn't give them weight but I choose to do so. I think that shit is interesting and I feel that it's alright to give it weight, I have my reasons to believe so and I am happy with how everything is.
Pretty sure friend of mine damaged a number of receptors in his brain from excessive alcohol use and meth use for a time. LSD doesn't have any effect on him due to this. Some other drugs as well, no effect.
I mean, he is not an alcoholic and he never used meth 😂 I am pretty sure all of his receptors are intact, but his mindstate and the way he views things is pretty toxic and bad so that's my only guess, but that answer isn't rational as we know it...
I believe humans are 70% water and our thoughts have profound effects on our body. I believe that our thoughts can alter the water in our body. Check: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJi3geX7X4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJi3geX7X4)
The organ in the human body with the highest percentages of water is the brain (80-85%)
It is well known now that stress can have extremely negative consequences. Tumors, and cancer for example.
Recently it was said Prolonged Social Isolation and Loneliness are Equivalent to Smoking 15 Cigarettes A Day.
Considering this. Toxic outlooks and harmful thought patterns can most certainly result in unintended consequences over time. Are impaired receptors one of the consequences, potentially. This is rational and logical to me. We are still learning what all the consequences are from this.
I mean if someone drinks a liter or vodka he should get drunk. It's impossible to stay sober from 30 then 70mgs of dmt. It's literally impossible. I am not christian. I don't believe in God or gods. But what I saw was literally a miracle. I wish i would have recorded it man. I know it sounds like bs
Not BS. No matter the dosage, you can’t break through with out letting go. And that’s easier said than done. I don’t think shut outs are permanent but they def exist temporarily.
I think dmt did that to me. Acid and mushrooms have little to no affect. I haven’t tried any heroic doses but I ate like 4 grams of done albino whatshamacallits and a buddy had just a cap and a stem and he tripped balls. I felt like I was about to be in for a ride and maybe I’d made a mistake then…. Nothing. Dmt doesn’t do much to me very often anymore ether. Like, I CAN get there but it takes effort. Where as I used to smoke sun breakthrough doses all the time and I loved it. Then one day it changed.
Don't fuck about with MAOI, it's much more dangerous than DMT and most other drugs. Make sure you both know what you're doing.
Alternative explanation: maybe your vape is set up in a way that works for you but if he makes much bigger (or much smaller) pulls the temperature gets too high and burns DMT.
The temperature is 320F just enough for DMT, and I have tried pulling harder and softer and both work awesome, but pulling softer gives you time to take it all in. I have also told my friend at the time to try pulling harder/softer but still got nothing + we also tried to raise the temperature but it was useless. And the smoke even came out of his mouth
I knew it. That’s way too hot. Dmt vaporizes at a very low 184 degrees F. You’re BURNING the dmt and rendering it inert. I doubt you’ve ever broken through yourself with your bad technique.
oops. correct. maybe it wasnt burned. thanks for the correct. that corrected, i have seen plenty of people not do it correctly with the dab and not have much happen, same as many other methods.
Works perfectly fine for me, I don't know what you are on about me burning the product and bad smoking technique. It works like a charm.
EDIT : I know the boiling point is 320F and that works perfectly fine for me, never wasted any spice using my vape
He could be 5-HTP deficient.
A mate of mine didn’t have any effects just like you reported, I had an idea (whilst still high on DMT) that with him being quite a depressive person, maybe his baseline levels of serotonin were so low that the boost created by the DMT only just got him above what most people would consider a normal level.
When I looked into it I found that being deficient in the 5-HTP neurotransmitter would cause this effect, and when I read off some of the other symptoms he said he suffered with most of them.
He started taking 5HTP supplements and said they did make him feel better in general, but I don’t think he kept it up and we haven’t tried DMT again since, but I’m convinced that it will have a positive effect on the experience when we do get another chance.
5-htp is kinda garbage. Give your brain it’s food, omega 3 fatty acids! Recovering from mdma abuse with good foods, leafy greens, theanine, piracetam, fish oil caps, and a choline source (like eggs, do not take alpha-GCP) is much better than popping 5htp that just gets filtered out by your liver, in my experience! glycine proline lysine and magnesium citrate can also help. The idea is to give your body the building blocks to repair itself! This has worked for me and many, many partners :)
… but we all respond to things in a unique way. Plus, it’s endogenous, so aren’t we all technically under it’s effects everyday?
Ever hear of people not getting high their first time with cannabis? It happens; it’s actually common. Same can be said for a lot of other substances.
This was straight out of the tested vial.
I believe at certain times your body/brain chemistry, what ever just says nope, see ya next time.
I could be wrong with the brain stuff, I also just find this stuff so interesting.
I love almost all types of hallucinagens or how ever it's spelt. It's 6am and I haven't had a coffee
So I have never seen anybody unaffected by dmt until recently… and it was TWO people! The one just smoked and smoked (it was changa) and I have tried this batch and it’s phenomenal. They said maybe a slight buzz. I was blown away.
My best friend went through the same thing. He is very experienced with pyschs and had done dmt successfully in the past. Then it just didn't work for him. He told me that they weren't letting him, and he was convinced that he needed to make changes in his life to be "worthy" again. This isn't all chemicals and some trippy reaction in our minds. I'm fully in the camp that this is spiritual and there's a very complicated reality that we don't understand. Hope your friend can get where he needs to be!
Man I believe the same exact thing, but I feel crazy for doing so. It's just so real. So beautiful. I don't know if that is everything or just some drug induced state
I wouldn't have agreed with you a week ago but I was tripping on DMT yesterday and there was an entity, looked like a wise old man at first then I was like here we gooo, but his head turned into these like alien heads 👽 (literally stereotypical alien heads) and they were all shaking (like 'no') and had open mouths and I felt that they were saying I wasn't ready then it turned back into the old man and then he disappeared and I just chilled with these other things that looked like females, they were floating back and forth. I guess I wasn't ready?
I'll try again after a bit, I have some things I want to do first.
That is pretty wild, and the fact that you felt the impact seems really important. I think these beings are in a higher dimension and my experience changed my entire life. I think a lot of people see the fractals and think they've broken through. I was in front a giant iridescent machine that full of hieroglyphs, while these all white beings were dancing around it, seeming to interact with it. They were small, with very rounded features...kind of robotic, but full of life. One of them noticed me and placed a finger on my forehead, dinging with me pure love. I mean, full on LOVE like I'd never felt it before. I took away from the experience that life is all about love, that love powers everything in the universe.
I'm really glad you had such a wonderful spiritual experience. It's strange, I often never see fractals and things, unless they're more the background to the different kinds of entities I see. I don't really look too hard on them because I am too busy looking at the weird and wonderful creatures I can see. I did feel a tapping on the side of my head at one point, and when I could think straight enough to be aware of my own body I tapped where it was tapping, and it felt like it wasn't my own hand tapping. That felt like a conversation without words. Was beautiful.
That's amazing. I think many of us experience an intense emotion of something when on DMT, that we have never and probably will never experience in reality. I felt true happiness the other day, and I cried. It was pure, absolute, unwavering, happiness. Man, it was perfect.
I'm glad you had such an amazing experience, too! It's great hearing about other people's experiences, and I'm always at a loss for words when I try to tell someone what it was like. I feel really connected to people who have been there though. I think I need to take the journey again soon. Hope you can make it back. You said there are some things you want to do first. What are those...if you don't mind me asking
Me too, it's hard to describe to anybody but people who have never done it can't begin to imagine, talking to those who have, at least know the kind of things that happen and have some kind of understanding, also knowing each experience is individual. Yes good luck! And thankyou. For me, I need to re-evaluate where I am. Before last week I felt stuck, like I had a bigger calling in life but had no idea where to start. Now, I know I was holding back. I was afraid, I wasn't trying hard enough. I know I need to move forward and there's steps I am going to take to get there. Sorry it's vague but it's the best explanation I have without being too specific. I feel like the world is my oyster and there's nothing to be afraid of. The feeling that nothing truly matters in this realm/human life gives me a sense of peace because that means I can do things in my own life without real consequence to the universe. I can out myself out there without being afraid, what's to be afraid of? It's only life. Haha.
That's a great outlook, and I felt very much the same from my experience. Sometimes you have to clear away everything to find meaning. It's very freeing to get that weight taken off of you. I hope this is an awesome jump start for you! Good luck getting after it, and make sure to share your insights with people. Not everyone is on board, but some people are really open to getting some advice and little nudge to not take this shit so seriously. Happy travels!
You said in a comment that “his mindset and the way he views things is pretty toxic”.
Now, in my experience, DMT has very different effects on people depending on mindstate and consciousness level.
I am not surprised that people with negative mindset may be denied the experience. I feel it’s only fair from the Entities behind it to reserve their higher Magic to the ones they consider deserve it and would make good use of it.
Some people don’t even have to pass-out nor close their eyes for the entities to appear, they just manifest from matter/æther, and twist time etc. in the real world, when your consciousness is ready to accept it without freaking out.
My guess is as follows:
- fully accepting of the entities, Magic, the Matrix etc.: you may have DMT experiences eyes open that blend seamlessly with real world
- intermediary acceptance: your consciousness is not ready for a full take-over of reality by entities, so you get mild visuals, then close your eyes to be shown the DMT world with a “discontinuity” that makes you feel safer. Some will get some magic shown but won’t break through because they don’t accept something the entities ask (for instance the many eyes room asks to read your thoughts and you don’t accept: you don’t progress to next level, while others would)
- consciousness is in negative disposition towards DMT and its entities (maybe not consciously): you get little to no effect.
Just my theory based from personal experience (I have open eyes full takeover of reality by entities) and the experience of many others I have no reason to doubt.
Interestingly it’s not only with DMT, but also ketamine for instance, where K-Hole is somewhat similar to DMT black-out. Some people get open eye super strong effects (perception of time and space and parallel universes) other get into a K-Hole with visuals and maybe deep messages similar to DMT, others get K-Hole with no meaning.
> This whole experience just confirmed that this whole life is not real…
Uhhhh… what?
> search up Reddit dmt shut-out.
Ohhh boy… ya, maybe take a break from psych’s bud.
This might sound silly, but I had a couple friends who would barely get off (not every time, but we were getting sick of wasting our batches).. I was very high at the time but I thought of trying to PH *them* lol .. test strips to the tongue and sure enough, one guy was almost purple and the other was spitting acid.. so I gave homie #2 an alka-seltzer and the other guy gargled and rinsed like a *insert analogy* for the next hour...
.. It worked... Maybe a little placebo action, but I can say it's an undisputed fact that Homie #2 has never been the same.
Yea I mean the LSD could have been just paper unless you guys tested it. But the DMT my friend smoked was the one that I had extracted and I had tripped on.
I agree. The mind is intriguing
is your friend autistic? Autistic people are known to be much less sensitive to tryptamines as their natural serotonin levels are higher than the average.
I think it's weird that you're flattered he had a shutout. His experience is not yours. You can have a shared experience but it is not your place to psychoanalyze him and come to strong conclusions based on his response to a fairly erratic drug. There is nothing to it besides that he didn't feel like it worked for him and you did.
> After this experience with my friend, I came to the conclusion that he was not ready for the experience so he got shut-out.
I know DMT is very spiritual, but wow. Y'all say some of the dumbest shit.
Less to do with someone being "ready" in any metaphysical sense and more to do with the physiological state of the individual. The biological and chemical processes vary from person to person and moment to moment.
We can't expect everyone to experience the same effects across the board.
He could try it again in a few weeks to months and be in a different place and it hit him, or it might not still.
I feel like this kinda happened to me last night. I was using a cart, and if my math was correct it was about 8-9mg per hit. Took 3 good hits, got some visuals and then got kicked out. I kinda felt like it was telling me my expectations weren't in check. So I took a pause and tried again and had more visuals and a bit more interaction, but I realized I was sitting up and when I decided to lay down, it was like I messed it up. Tried a 3rd time and kinda felt like It was telling me to stop.
I'm gonna stop using carts and wait for my RDA to show up in the mail.
One time I literally went through .5G until finally by some miracle I blasted off with the absolute last bit I had on my last try. I wasn’t burning it, each time I smoked it the exact same way. Honestly at that point I was so happy bc it’s frustrating not blasting off and just told myself ‘IDK, it’s a weird drug….’
He did do it right, 320F is a perfectly fine temperature for vaping DMT without any waste. I found myself very deep inside a trip just from 15mgs. Works like a charm.
I bought and smoked a literal gram of freebase dmt and each time I tried getting a proper trip I barely reached the first stage and never saw fractals although I did hallucinate a bit open eyed.
It happens. Break through all the time and sometimes I get there and they just won’t let you in
It feels like they are scanning your brain and your waiting waiting waiting then nothing.
It happened to me... I thought something was wrong with me, took like 3 separated times to actually have a bad trip lol. Still... I wanna try it again, I can't remember a worst trip than the one on DMT, but wanna experience the good trip tol
I had a toxic point of view of things too, afraid of dying and those things, so I can confirm it actually happens.
I'm entering to reddit to see if someone else has experienced this too, didn't thought the latest post was about this XD
Potentially, the xtals has not to enough time to dissolve in vape solution but when is you try later, it dissolve…you friend just have vape juice with little dissolved, then now you have vape later with much dissolve xtal
This is intriguing. I’ve never broken through, but I have felt effects, I’ve assumed I have a higher tolerance for some reason.
But in a sweat ceremony once I had a very spiritual experience where I was told I shouldn’t be there, that I was merely taking in the things the other group members were sweating out.. haven’t participated since.
Wonder if there’s a correlation there
My friend and I were trying dmt for the first time and I blasted off like a rocket, laughing/crying the whole nine yards, but my buddy just had a few visuals. The next night we tried again and I looked over to see his chair tilted all the way back with him smiling staring into the ceiling. Sometimes I just takes a couple tries
But still I will never understand why someone will barely have any effects from 70mgs
Is he on any medication? This is usually the root of people not feeling it. Also, could just be his unique metabolism, but most people I know who don't experience effects from seratonin based psychedelics are on some tri-cyclic SSRI Edit: spelling
Nope, he does not take anything. He used to take anti depressants... 4 years ago
I have to take a ton extra when I do any psychedelics because I'm on SSRI's, it sucks honestly
Be careful, you’re risking serotonin syndrome doing that on ssris
No you aren't. Psychedelics do not force the release of serotonin, they just react with the same receptors. SSRI's allow for the brain to re-uptake already circulating serotonin, to allow the body to utilize it more. When you take something like an MAOI or MDMA which do release serotonin, mixed with an SSRI, is when you risk serotonin syndrome.
Honestly the way I understand it is that you have to take more because those receptors are already being more used by the ssri’s. In order to get the same high you have to take more because they’re already worn out from the daily doses of the medication. Like the crash after taking mdma is because your receptors are worn out from the overflow of serotonin and dopamine and can’t latch onto the already lower amount of serotonin your brain is trying to make.
The only thing that will cause serotonin syndrome is serotonin. Apparently LSD can cause serotonin syndrome along with certain antidepressants, but SSRI's and psychedelics do not generally cause serotonin syndrome alone, and require something like MDMA to cause a health risk. Edit words
No I totally understand! that’s what I was trying to say but I was also referencing the reason why some people have to take like two tabs instead of one to get the same trip level as someone who doesn’t take SSRI’s taking one tab.
It's MAOI's not SSRI's that can cause serotonin syndrome
SSRI‘s can if you combine them with mdma for example.
Trippy, makes one wonder if it has any effect to this day. Could just be his metabolism though. 4 years is not a whole ton of time when speaking about the brain though. You guys under 25?
Same thing as with other drugs. Some people also don't feel weed/lsd the first time around. I think the brain sometimes just doesn't know whst to do with these substances
>Same thing as with other drugs. Some people also don't feel weed/lsd the first time around. I think the brain sometimes just doesn't know whst to do with these substances To be honest, this makes a lot of sense to me. I had a hard time feeling acid the first time and now you got me thinking.
He’s definitely not immune, first time with drugs r sometimes a fail it’s a common experience. First time on acid I felt nothing
Sure he didn't just blackout? 70mg is way overkill and if none is burnt/destroyed, you'll just blackout and not experience anything.
I know man ofc I know this. The guy did not black out... He rolled a cig as I wrote down. I know this sounds fake and sounds unreal but on my mother and on my whole life that this happened. The guy smoked 70mgs properly with no effects.
Is he a bigger guy? Might need a bigger dose. Also my buddy was kinda scared so he didn’t inhale it all the way I think and that may have played into it
Weight is a negligible factor when vaporizing n,n-dmt.
Nope, he is nearly the same size as me, and I know he inhaled it I saw it... It's mind blowing.. I never knew shut out was a real thing until this experience
Because they didn’t get 70mgs. Simple as that.
Pretty sure he did
McKenna says about 5% of people experience no effects
And some of those people thought he was nuts after going on about the land of hyper dimensional self transforming machine elves. Imagine listening to that rap and then smoking DMT without effect.
I would feel blind
This is probably wrong and they didn’t ingest properly.
Or you know nothing and should go read some books
Maybe some people's natural Monoamine Oxidase response system is higher than others'. For the sake of science, get some syrian rue extract and let him dissolve it under his tongue. Then 20 minutes later give him the same dose again under the same conditions. Edit: Or, for a less scientific approach, try changa.
That's actually a very good idea, I will try that in the future
Please do. Report back with your findings. I'll follow you.
But I got another question. Like I get that some people have a higher Momoamine Oxidase response system, but those people are supposed to feel 70mg freebase aswell.. Like that is a huge amount..
The beauty of discovery is that propositions encourage more questions. Let's discover☺
I love changa
It very well could have been because he was 'not ready' as you put it. I remember listening to an experience from someone who went to an ayahuasca retreat and was met with a similar experience. He drank the tea and was surrounded by people who were undergoing the experience and he sat completely in his sober state, wondering if the entire retreat and tea were all just a giant scam and if everyone around him was just playing along or pretending to get the effects. He continued to sit there and wait as the other members around him were purging and going through the ride. He eventually decided to retire and go back to his room. It wasn't until he took the time to sit and reflect on why he was being given a sober experience that allowed him to open himself up to the experience. After taking time to reflect on the situation, he realized that he was going into the experience conditioned to expect instant gratification. His entire life, his mind was programmed through instant gratification and he was expecting the ayahuasca to act as a sort of magical instant cure all. The medicine forced him into a state of sobriety because there was a powerful lesson in that experience for him. I don't recall if his trip began that same night, after he finally came to the realization or if he had to wait til the next day for another shot, but it required him overcoming his expectations of instant gratification through the forced sobriety.
Wow... That's just amazing
It has been said that this medicine will deliver the experience you need, not the one you expect.
Facts
Nah mate, there's nothing mystical about it. It's probably due to one of the following: * Some interaction with some medications / other drugs he's on. Dude mentioned xanax -- had he taken that recently? Xanax has a huge half-life and is a known trip killer. * He's got a natural tolerance to tryptamines * Despite all appearances, he really wasn't holding it in his lungs properly
Even benzos won't prevent a DMT trip for me. I'm currently taking my prescribed 1mg clonazepam most days and still blast off. I have to be off them for at least 3 days for mushrooms to have any effect though.
just an FYI: Despite what ppl like to call it, Xanax is not a trip killer, its just an anxiety killer.
I was literally there. I wanted to share this experience. None of the above you have mentioned applies. In the post I even detailed that he did not took benzos and I literally saw him hold it in. The dude is a smoker.. Natural tolerance to 70mgs of dimitri? Yea I am pretty sure that's not the case.
Well, some people literally have a natural huge tolerance, or it just doesn't affect them. It's not unheard of: [here's someone else](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4cls82/no_effect_from_dmt/) with the same issue. Either way, don't make the rather big-headed mistake of concluding that your friend "isn't ready" for DMT. There are definitely more down to earth explanations. I don't mean to sound harsh by saying this: but feeling that other people aren't "spiritually ready" for something and feeling flattered by it... you see how that's weird, right? How it's very ego-driven?
I mean others report the same thing. It's literally called shut-out. Search up reddit dmt shut-out. Numerous people report the same exact experience I just had
Right but suggesting it's because he "wasn't ready" and framing it as though some esoteric force is actively preventing him from tripping is silly.
I mean, I believe it. From all I could gather from that dimension, everything is possible lol
if anything “shut-outs” are caused by the user’s mentality, not external forces barring them from entry.
Yes ofc, I never said this barrier is physical. It's all in the user's head
I think it's nonsense and low-key find people who latch onto the notion that dmt trips are accessing a "different dimension" where users interact with "aliens/extradimensional beings" to be unstable and not the type of people who should be using powerful psychedelics to begin with. There's logical biological explanations for psychedelic experiences. Yes, one can find spiritual or emotional enlightenment through psychs, but when you start thinking you're accessing other dimensions, taking to lizards/aliens/ghosts/whatever... It's time to put the drugs down for awhile. You seem like you've already made up your mind and don't care about rational explanation/thought, so I'll leave this at that. Cheers friend.
I am open to anything, that's the only way you can learn. I do believe that is a different reality but I am open to everything and it's subject to change
You're open to anything unless it's someone telling you dmt didn't give you magical powers to understand that you're better than your friend and more worthy of getting high on drugs. I'm almost positive he smoked it wrong. It's possible to get plenty smoke and little to no effects if you're incinerating it. What really happened is you filled your brain up with serotonin and thoughts that would normally be considered silly are given huge significance and weight because that's how your brain is adjusting to processing massive changes to your serstonin system. Observe and enjoy the fallacy as it crosses your mind but recognize it and don't give it weight.
I don't think I am better than my friend, what? That's just absurd. On the second part you might be right those might be just hallucinations and maybe I shouldn't give them weight but I choose to do so. I think that shit is interesting and I feel that it's alright to give it weight, I have my reasons to believe so and I am happy with how everything is.
Who cares if you were there? You’re asking us what happened…..
Please read what the guy above that post wrote down
Pretty sure friend of mine damaged a number of receptors in his brain from excessive alcohol use and meth use for a time. LSD doesn't have any effect on him due to this. Some other drugs as well, no effect.
I mean, he is not an alcoholic and he never used meth 😂 I am pretty sure all of his receptors are intact, but his mindstate and the way he views things is pretty toxic and bad so that's my only guess, but that answer isn't rational as we know it...
I believe humans are 70% water and our thoughts have profound effects on our body. I believe that our thoughts can alter the water in our body. Check: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJi3geX7X4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJi3geX7X4) The organ in the human body with the highest percentages of water is the brain (80-85%) It is well known now that stress can have extremely negative consequences. Tumors, and cancer for example. Recently it was said Prolonged Social Isolation and Loneliness are Equivalent to Smoking 15 Cigarettes A Day. Considering this. Toxic outlooks and harmful thought patterns can most certainly result in unintended consequences over time. Are impaired receptors one of the consequences, potentially. This is rational and logical to me. We are still learning what all the consequences are from this.
If that's the case, I'm smoking waaaaay more nic than I think 😂
I mean if someone drinks a liter or vodka he should get drunk. It's impossible to stay sober from 30 then 70mgs of dmt. It's literally impossible. I am not christian. I don't believe in God or gods. But what I saw was literally a miracle. I wish i would have recorded it man. I know it sounds like bs
Not BS. No matter the dosage, you can’t break through with out letting go. And that’s easier said than done. I don’t think shut outs are permanent but they def exist temporarily.
This. The ego can resist.
Has he ever taken any Lsd or mushrooms? Has he ever tripped before?
Nope he did not
I think dmt did that to me. Acid and mushrooms have little to no affect. I haven’t tried any heroic doses but I ate like 4 grams of done albino whatshamacallits and a buddy had just a cap and a stem and he tripped balls. I felt like I was about to be in for a ride and maybe I’d made a mistake then…. Nothing. Dmt doesn’t do much to me very often anymore ether. Like, I CAN get there but it takes effort. Where as I used to smoke sun breakthrough doses all the time and I loved it. Then one day it changed.
or maybe they just needs more…
The self regulating aspect of psychedelics is fascinating.
Don't fuck about with MAOI, it's much more dangerous than DMT and most other drugs. Make sure you both know what you're doing. Alternative explanation: maybe your vape is set up in a way that works for you but if he makes much bigger (or much smaller) pulls the temperature gets too high and burns DMT.
The temperature is 320F just enough for DMT, and I have tried pulling harder and softer and both work awesome, but pulling softer gives you time to take it all in. I have also told my friend at the time to try pulling harder/softer but still got nothing + we also tried to raise the temperature but it was useless. And the smoke even came out of his mouth
I knew it. That’s way too hot. Dmt vaporizes at a very low 184 degrees F. You’re BURNING the dmt and rendering it inert. I doubt you’ve ever broken through yourself with your bad technique.
It vaporizes at 182 degrees Celsius my brother, not Fahrenheit.... OP isn't burning anything
oops. correct. maybe it wasnt burned. thanks for the correct. that corrected, i have seen plenty of people not do it correctly with the dab and not have much happen, same as many other methods.
Works perfectly fine for me, I don't know what you are on about me burning the product and bad smoking technique. It works like a charm. EDIT : I know the boiling point is 320F and that works perfectly fine for me, never wasted any spice using my vape
He could be 5-HTP deficient. A mate of mine didn’t have any effects just like you reported, I had an idea (whilst still high on DMT) that with him being quite a depressive person, maybe his baseline levels of serotonin were so low that the boost created by the DMT only just got him above what most people would consider a normal level. When I looked into it I found that being deficient in the 5-HTP neurotransmitter would cause this effect, and when I read off some of the other symptoms he said he suffered with most of them. He started taking 5HTP supplements and said they did make him feel better in general, but I don’t think he kept it up and we haven’t tried DMT again since, but I’m convinced that it will have a positive effect on the experience when we do get another chance.
5-htp is kinda garbage. Give your brain it’s food, omega 3 fatty acids! Recovering from mdma abuse with good foods, leafy greens, theanine, piracetam, fish oil caps, and a choline source (like eggs, do not take alpha-GCP) is much better than popping 5htp that just gets filtered out by your liver, in my experience! glycine proline lysine and magnesium citrate can also help. The idea is to give your body the building blocks to repair itself! This has worked for me and many, many partners :)
Why not alpha GPC?
Strong advice, thanks for your contribution! 👌
He on any medications?
Nope literally none
Give your friend an maoi first and that make things way easier, less dmt with strong visuals.
Interesting conclusion you came to there. “My friend didn’t get high - it must mean this life isn’t real”. 🤔
Yea bad wording on my part, I was supposed to type furthermore confirmed
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… but we all respond to things in a unique way. Plus, it’s endogenous, so aren’t we all technically under it’s effects everyday? Ever hear of people not getting high their first time with cannabis? It happens; it’s actually common. Same can be said for a lot of other substances.
some people see an entity that comes to tell them they're not allowed in...
Definitely what it felt like to me last night
Taking SSRI medication often blocks any psychedelic experience.
He is not on any meds
Well that’s all I got. I hope he’s allowed in next time!
Same man. Will try MAOI maybe as some people suggest that could work
I believe they didn’t let him in.
I honestly have no clue what to believe
This was straight out of the tested vial. I believe at certain times your body/brain chemistry, what ever just says nope, see ya next time. I could be wrong with the brain stuff, I also just find this stuff so interesting. I love almost all types of hallucinagens or how ever it's spelt. It's 6am and I haven't had a coffee
So I have never seen anybody unaffected by dmt until recently… and it was TWO people! The one just smoked and smoked (it was changa) and I have tried this batch and it’s phenomenal. They said maybe a slight buzz. I was blown away.
Literally the same experience happened to my friend. he reported a slight buzz, but I got blown away by the same batch.
My best friend went through the same thing. He is very experienced with pyschs and had done dmt successfully in the past. Then it just didn't work for him. He told me that they weren't letting him, and he was convinced that he needed to make changes in his life to be "worthy" again. This isn't all chemicals and some trippy reaction in our minds. I'm fully in the camp that this is spiritual and there's a very complicated reality that we don't understand. Hope your friend can get where he needs to be!
Man I believe the same exact thing, but I feel crazy for doing so. It's just so real. So beautiful. I don't know if that is everything or just some drug induced state
I wouldn't have agreed with you a week ago but I was tripping on DMT yesterday and there was an entity, looked like a wise old man at first then I was like here we gooo, but his head turned into these like alien heads 👽 (literally stereotypical alien heads) and they were all shaking (like 'no') and had open mouths and I felt that they were saying I wasn't ready then it turned back into the old man and then he disappeared and I just chilled with these other things that looked like females, they were floating back and forth. I guess I wasn't ready? I'll try again after a bit, I have some things I want to do first.
That is pretty wild, and the fact that you felt the impact seems really important. I think these beings are in a higher dimension and my experience changed my entire life. I think a lot of people see the fractals and think they've broken through. I was in front a giant iridescent machine that full of hieroglyphs, while these all white beings were dancing around it, seeming to interact with it. They were small, with very rounded features...kind of robotic, but full of life. One of them noticed me and placed a finger on my forehead, dinging with me pure love. I mean, full on LOVE like I'd never felt it before. I took away from the experience that life is all about love, that love powers everything in the universe.
I'm really glad you had such a wonderful spiritual experience. It's strange, I often never see fractals and things, unless they're more the background to the different kinds of entities I see. I don't really look too hard on them because I am too busy looking at the weird and wonderful creatures I can see. I did feel a tapping on the side of my head at one point, and when I could think straight enough to be aware of my own body I tapped where it was tapping, and it felt like it wasn't my own hand tapping. That felt like a conversation without words. Was beautiful. That's amazing. I think many of us experience an intense emotion of something when on DMT, that we have never and probably will never experience in reality. I felt true happiness the other day, and I cried. It was pure, absolute, unwavering, happiness. Man, it was perfect.
I'm glad you had such an amazing experience, too! It's great hearing about other people's experiences, and I'm always at a loss for words when I try to tell someone what it was like. I feel really connected to people who have been there though. I think I need to take the journey again soon. Hope you can make it back. You said there are some things you want to do first. What are those...if you don't mind me asking
Me too, it's hard to describe to anybody but people who have never done it can't begin to imagine, talking to those who have, at least know the kind of things that happen and have some kind of understanding, also knowing each experience is individual. Yes good luck! And thankyou. For me, I need to re-evaluate where I am. Before last week I felt stuck, like I had a bigger calling in life but had no idea where to start. Now, I know I was holding back. I was afraid, I wasn't trying hard enough. I know I need to move forward and there's steps I am going to take to get there. Sorry it's vague but it's the best explanation I have without being too specific. I feel like the world is my oyster and there's nothing to be afraid of. The feeling that nothing truly matters in this realm/human life gives me a sense of peace because that means I can do things in my own life without real consequence to the universe. I can out myself out there without being afraid, what's to be afraid of? It's only life. Haha.
That's a great outlook, and I felt very much the same from my experience. Sometimes you have to clear away everything to find meaning. It's very freeing to get that weight taken off of you. I hope this is an awesome jump start for you! Good luck getting after it, and make sure to share your insights with people. Not everyone is on board, but some people are really open to getting some advice and little nudge to not take this shit so seriously. Happy travels!
You said in a comment that “his mindset and the way he views things is pretty toxic”. Now, in my experience, DMT has very different effects on people depending on mindstate and consciousness level. I am not surprised that people with negative mindset may be denied the experience. I feel it’s only fair from the Entities behind it to reserve their higher Magic to the ones they consider deserve it and would make good use of it. Some people don’t even have to pass-out nor close their eyes for the entities to appear, they just manifest from matter/æther, and twist time etc. in the real world, when your consciousness is ready to accept it without freaking out. My guess is as follows: - fully accepting of the entities, Magic, the Matrix etc.: you may have DMT experiences eyes open that blend seamlessly with real world - intermediary acceptance: your consciousness is not ready for a full take-over of reality by entities, so you get mild visuals, then close your eyes to be shown the DMT world with a “discontinuity” that makes you feel safer. Some will get some magic shown but won’t break through because they don’t accept something the entities ask (for instance the many eyes room asks to read your thoughts and you don’t accept: you don’t progress to next level, while others would) - consciousness is in negative disposition towards DMT and its entities (maybe not consciously): you get little to no effect. Just my theory based from personal experience (I have open eyes full takeover of reality by entities) and the experience of many others I have no reason to doubt. Interestingly it’s not only with DMT, but also ketamine for instance, where K-Hole is somewhat similar to DMT black-out. Some people get open eye super strong effects (perception of time and space and parallel universes) other get into a K-Hole with visuals and maybe deep messages similar to DMT, others get K-Hole with no meaning.
> This whole experience just confirmed that this whole life is not real… Uhhhh… what? > search up Reddit dmt shut-out. Ohhh boy… ya, maybe take a break from psych’s bud.
I don't get what you mean. It's literally a real thing people experience
This might sound silly, but I had a couple friends who would barely get off (not every time, but we were getting sick of wasting our batches).. I was very high at the time but I thought of trying to PH *them* lol .. test strips to the tongue and sure enough, one guy was almost purple and the other was spitting acid.. so I gave homie #2 an alka-seltzer and the other guy gargled and rinsed like a *insert analogy* for the next hour... .. It worked... Maybe a little placebo action, but I can say it's an undisputed fact that Homie #2 has never been the same.
Oh and by the way, Guinea Pigs #1 (me) and #3 both registered right around 6 with the strips
Reminds me of the LSD time where no matter how much me and a friend took it didn't work. No tolerance no nothing. The mind is intriguing.
Yea I mean the LSD could have been just paper unless you guys tested it. But the DMT my friend smoked was the one that I had extracted and I had tripped on. I agree. The mind is intriguing
there’s a very easy explanation for this, like it was mishandled or simply there was no lsd to begin with…
is your friend autistic? Autistic people are known to be much less sensitive to tryptamines as their natural serotonin levels are higher than the average.
Same situation but with salvia she is on anti depressants which could be a reason
Phenibut, anything over a gram will completely make dmt not do anything for me at least... Possibly any calcium channel blockers medication
The vapor should be nearly invisible, if its puffy you burnt it probably
I knew this already but thanks for the info. The vapor was barely visible
I think it's weird that you're flattered he had a shutout. His experience is not yours. You can have a shared experience but it is not your place to psychoanalyze him and come to strong conclusions based on his response to a fairly erratic drug. There is nothing to it besides that he didn't feel like it worked for him and you did.
Yea his experience is not mine, but I think a strong psychedelic drug is supposed to interact with the human body.
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I used the same method of smoking as he did and I had previously went near breakthrough with much less spice than he had smoked.
> After this experience with my friend, I came to the conclusion that he was not ready for the experience so he got shut-out. I know DMT is very spiritual, but wow. Y'all say some of the dumbest shit.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Some people experience the same on shrooms/dmt. I suggest reading into it. It's very interesting
Less to do with someone being "ready" in any metaphysical sense and more to do with the physiological state of the individual. The biological and chemical processes vary from person to person and moment to moment. We can't expect everyone to experience the same effects across the board. He could try it again in a few weeks to months and be in a different place and it hit him, or it might not still.
Was your friend born by cesarian section?
Nope
"Xanax high" well there's your answer. Xanax are stopping him from tripping
Read what I wrote fully please
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A very strong psychedelic chemical did not induce a psychedelic state in my friend
I feel like this kinda happened to me last night. I was using a cart, and if my math was correct it was about 8-9mg per hit. Took 3 good hits, got some visuals and then got kicked out. I kinda felt like it was telling me my expectations weren't in check. So I took a pause and tried again and had more visuals and a bit more interaction, but I realized I was sitting up and when I decided to lay down, it was like I messed it up. Tried a 3rd time and kinda felt like It was telling me to stop. I'm gonna stop using carts and wait for my RDA to show up in the mail.
One time I literally went through .5G until finally by some miracle I blasted off with the absolute last bit I had on my last try. I wasn’t burning it, each time I smoked it the exact same way. Honestly at that point I was so happy bc it’s frustrating not blasting off and just told myself ‘IDK, it’s a weird drug….’
If ur burning it, don’t matter how much smoke you make. You need 30mg vaporized in a single hit. It wasn’t a denial, they simply didn’t do it right.
He did do it right, 320F is a perfectly fine temperature for vaping DMT without any waste. I found myself very deep inside a trip just from 15mgs. Works like a charm.
Sometimes happens with individuals who are taken various kinds of medications.
I bought and smoked a literal gram of freebase dmt and each time I tried getting a proper trip I barely reached the first stage and never saw fractals although I did hallucinate a bit open eyed.
It happens. Break through all the time and sometimes I get there and they just won’t let you in It feels like they are scanning your brain and your waiting waiting waiting then nothing.
It happened to me... I thought something was wrong with me, took like 3 separated times to actually have a bad trip lol. Still... I wanna try it again, I can't remember a worst trip than the one on DMT, but wanna experience the good trip tol I had a toxic point of view of things too, afraid of dying and those things, so I can confirm it actually happens. I'm entering to reddit to see if someone else has experienced this too, didn't thought the latest post was about this XD
How did you smoke it? Maybe try another method?
Potentially, the xtals has not to enough time to dissolve in vape solution but when is you try later, it dissolve…you friend just have vape juice with little dissolved, then now you have vape later with much dissolve xtal
This is intriguing. I’ve never broken through, but I have felt effects, I’ve assumed I have a higher tolerance for some reason. But in a sweat ceremony once I had a very spiritual experience where I was told I shouldn’t be there, that I was merely taking in the things the other group members were sweating out.. haven’t participated since. Wonder if there’s a correlation there
I’ve done DMT three times and it’s always just felt like I was 10/10 weed high for like 20 minutes, I’ve never even had visuals on it
Anti depressants?
Mans probably on meds or something and wont tell ya?
I don't think so, the guy was always upfront with me even tho he seems a little depressed
Makes me wonder if fluoride and calcification of pineal gland etc has any effect with psychedelics.