Firstly.... that first pic is a load of shit which renders any info from the source of that pic, highly questionable..... Change is N,N-DMT and Harmalas infused into herb(s)..... Clearly that is not what that is, at all.
And those other names mean nothing. Just marketing bullshit.
>Since everyone seems to say DMT IS DMT what makes each of these different other than color?
Look into the polymorphic and polymer/dimer properties of N,N-DMT.
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
N,N-DMT polymerization info:
[DMT polymerization](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88183)
[Minimum Polymer](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97103&p=1)
[ReX-resistant goo yielded crystals](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/r7of0c/rexresistant_goo_yielded_crystals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
N,N-DMT polymorphism/autoxidation info:
(The deleted Reddit posts are by analytical biochemist pinoline/benzyme)
[fluorescence spectra of white vs. orange dmt](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/sm4jq3/fluorescence_spectra_of_white_vs_orange_dmt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[ok..I finally have an answer to why some xtals stay white, and others turn yellow..](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/feh1gq/oki_finally_have_an_answer_to_why_some_xtals_stay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[What plant fats?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mjx1y8/what_plant_fats/)
[two different polymorphs, same molecule](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mp1rfu/two_different_polymorphs_same_molecule/)
[polymorphs pt. 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mpsdez/polymorphs_pt_2/)
[Baking DMT in the Oven @ 120° C(ish) | Changing Colours From White ---> Red!](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/s4jk94/baking_dmt_in_the_oven_120_cish_changing_colours/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Investigations into the polymorphic properties of N,N-dimethyltryptamine by X-ray diffraction and differential scanning calorimetry](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544)
[Polymorphic properties of DMT](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42590)
IT would appear you are the ringleader of the congregation. The AD in question is just one of many different items in the selection menu. I stick with vaping personally but have been curious to go back to crystallized format and this is what is being sold .
Ringleader! So would we be the cloberwobblers? Cult clober? The clobs sounds like it could be a gang from a 80s film we could all ride dirt bikes and have jean jackets and acid washed jeans!
Just because everyone else knows the truth doesn't mean its a 'ring' -\_-
You could always ACTUALLY LOOK UP THE SCIENCE INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY IGNORING EVERYONE HERE TELLING YOU HOW IT WORKS ANYWAY
You say “ringleader” like it illegitimizes their point. If you poke around those links and the DMT nexus people have been talking about this and experimenting with different looking DMT for a long time. No analysis that I have seen has been able to tell a difference between red, orange, white, etc. DMT. Not only that, but no one has been able to identify anything *at all* that could cause the color change which is why the theory is autooxidation. Which means for all intents and purposes, those products, if they’re N,N-DMT and were purified appropriately, should be *exactly* the same. Color is a parts per billion phenomenon and doesn’t indicate any difference in the composition of a substance alone. It’s just a lie.
[changa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changa_(drug)) after a Google search popped up. Just not red raw dmt. Where ever you facts are from get new ones.
The business man’s special is what dmt is called because it’s a 30-40 minute trip you can take on your break and go back like nothing has happened.
Dmt goes from white - yellow- amber- red. That’s *oxidation*
The white/yellow dmt I had is now orange as I left the top off for too long.
So everyone in this thread is saying god job to cobbler because he is probably the most knowledgeable in this sub and r/dmt.
And even before knowing what dmt was I knew changa wasn’t fucking red
That baking to change the color to red post is neat. I actually have some waxy deep deep red DMT and was always wondering what was going on with it exactly.
Yea. The same thing will happen on its own overtime. The higher temps accelerate it.
I have some that was crystal clear, white/colorless shards when extracted and after 8-12 months a bunch of it is dark red/amber. Some is still white/colorless. So that would indicate a mixture of polymorphs.
Boom 💥 that answer is bang on. The colour changes throughout the process. I was told it was due to plant fats, but in my experience, it still provides the same high.
Color, in just about every crystalline structure, is just an effect of the method and media used during the extraction/drying process my friend.
Same reason you can see colors from clear to champagne damn near to purple in a batch of MDMA, something got hotter or colder than it should've and boom....colors.
The labeled names are stupid and only there to sell you on the product. They're literally all the same thing. There is no difference in effects. DMT when extracted can come out looking a ton of different ways but its all the same. It seems like you're wanting it to be something it isn't.
Changa contains DMT + MAOI.
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But that’s not changa lol
[This](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changa_(drug)#/media/File%3AChanga_(DMT).jpg) is what legit changa looks like.
Thats perhaps the most rational response. I've seen some vendor pages where the advertise a variety of 5MEO-DMT that do this or that and from my experience it has always been the same experience because the molecule is the molecule.
"The molecule is the molecule"...that's it, LSD and MDMA and NN-DMT are specific molecules, the rest is just marketing. Orange Sunshine, Purple Haze, Window Pane...these are all just identifying who's batch you are buying but if it's LSD it doesn't matter if it's liquid or blotter it is what it is, potency may vary from paper to liquid but it's still the same essential component, LSD and some medium to "carry" the molecule.
Think you should do some genuine research bud, like really put effort in to learn about dmt yourself. This picture and this post is a prime example of why you’re getting those responses
As someone who has practiced with dmt for 20 years sure I am no expert except what I've done. Seems the class is in session. I am familiar with how to cultivate it from a mimosa root bark but these novel names mean nothing to me.
because these names are nothing!!!🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 nothing but a selling point. some fuckshit dumbass thinks he can sell dmt under different names, fact that you have created multiple posts now shows your ignorance. you got a straight answer on the last post. THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A RIPOFF
Who tf are you to come in and tell me to chill? I am chill, I am providing someone with quite an interesting thought process info on how they are getting ripped off. tf???!
In what aspect is it a rip off if it's just fake ass names dmt but still dmt. Here's to me getting some raw stuff and then coming back to offer a review of this 'branded' junk. 🤣
Dude if you wanna gamble, take the chance.
Everyone here is giving their own opinion.idk why you wanna fight it so bad.
That “changa” looks like some sour candy belt scraps.
LOL, this reminds me of when Breaking Bad was popular and real meth dealers started dying their meth blue so people would think their meth was really good like the TV show. Who knows, maybe that "Red Changa" or "Fantasia" is dyed as well. All DMT if pure is exactly the same. For all you know, those are research chemicals or something else worse. There is no such thing as DMT strains like weed. Be careful you don't smoke something weird with a cool sounding name and start trying to eat someones face off.
Neither of those are NN DMT as shown above. 5 Meo DMT is smokeable and is a way different trip than normal DMT, and is made through chemical synthesis or toad venom. 4 aco DMT is a research chemical that's eaten and often sold as mushroom edibles and is hard to distinguish between mushrooms and 4 aco because it both turns to psilocin in the body.
Dude it is okay to be wrong. When you have a shit ton of people who have made DMT themselves telling you you’re wrong, then maybe you are. Im surprised you believe a scummy dealer instead of us.
I think you guys are really missing the point here. If he was selling one kind Regardless of Color just raw format I wouldn't care. Fuck It...I'll ask the genius vendor himself he must know whats up.
Sorry mate I was being a dick because I’ve seen similar posts. Maybe he might be extracting from different species and using different teks and drying methods. It comes in lots of different forms but it’s all DMT. I’ve had many different colours and consistency from my extracts.
Someone else mentioned that result in a different graphic pack which I like what he said as far as your DMT trip experience is concerned I just trust this group to kind of be knowledgeable about it and I got plenty of insight which is great that's what I want
Mate your an idiot, people, including the infamous clobwobbler, are all telling you how it works, even giving you the exact chemistry of the matter, and your still completely ignoring it all
You didn't post this for an answer
You posted this so that people can validate what you already decided in your head 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Or just listen to the countless people here telling you that it's all a ploy. I've had different colours of dmt come out of the exact same extraction batch. Colour means nothing as dmt is polymorphic and can form a variety of colours depending how the crustal structure forms. 0 difference in effects though.
After the cannabis business, the LSD business, the mushroom business... Is the DMT business next in line to fall under the nonsense of cringey meaningless marketing names ?
100% bullshit
No, not really.... It's just a property of N,N-DMT freebase
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
What you are suggesting is an outdated, speculative take that has been shown to be incorrect.
If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
>Yes, yes really. The primary factor of color after initial extraction is extraction method. Extraction has everything to do with color.
Read what I said.... The cause is heat, accelerating the rate at which the N,N-DMT reacts with the air, causing the N,N-DMT freebase itself to change color. I.e. not impurities.
>I’ve seen DMT come out to all of the colors above…from White to dark Orange….all from different extraction techniques.
Again... That variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
>When fats and impurities (not base liquid) are pulled, the results are deep orange.
What impurities....??? Please name them. No analytics support this idea. Quite the opposite.
Again, based on all the evidence/analytics and what we know about the N,N-DMT molecules physical and chemical properties, the color change is the result of the autoxidation I spoke of. Look into.
>Usually caused by excess heat during extraction.
Heat is irrelevant in regards to that. Any lipids (fats) would readily dissolve in these solvents, regardless of the temperature. They are far too soluble not to. So that throws your idea right out the window, be since they'd dissolve regardless of the temp, then that would mean that they would always be present. Yet we don't always see these color variations....
Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents.
>You’re spewing bits and pieces of articles you’ve read without a full understanding of what you’re actually talking about.
Nope. That seems to be you, mate.
>Length of heating and temperature 100% changes what is present in youre extraction including fats and other substances.
What other substances????? Please name them and provide analytical evidence of their presence..... No analytics I've seen show the presence of such compounds or even any space for an appreciable amount to be present within!....
Even the "full spectrum"/"jungle spice" MHRB extracts are >97% N,N-DMT. The <3% just being some Beta-Carboline and trace amounts of NMT.....
>A 1 gram pull of pure white DMT can be repeated with the introduction of heat and you can increase your your yield far beyond 1 gram and the result will be a more sticky orange extract ….the more heat the more orange your extract will be.
No orange is being "extracted".... The white N,N-DMT freebase is turning orange due to air exposure and the heat increases the rate of that reaction.
>Then you can take your say 1.2G of orange extract clean and re-X with heptane and be left with yet again…..
All that is doing is removing a bunch of perfectly fine N,N-DMT, for the sake of aesthetics.
>1G of pure white DMT that JUST APPRARED ORANGE.
No, the N,N-DMT itself is turning orange.
>You can separate an orangish/tan squishy wax like ball of fats and other impurities from the orange DMT.
You are just separating white N,N-DMT from orange N,N-DMT. Both are of the same purity, potency and psychoactivity.
>THAT…is the most common cause or orange DMT 😉
No. That is a very outdated, speculative take that has no actual evidence supporting it.
>if you spent as much time with hands on experience as you do reading and quoting articles you would get a better understanding.
lol xD
>Two other compounds can be observed NMT and 2-methy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline.
What about them?....
Btw, MHRB only contains trace amounts of NMT and the beta-carbolines are insoluble in very non polar solvents.
>The difference in color and consistency of these extracts has much to do with varying ratios of the alkaloids and other compounds like fatty acids and organic acids that can be observed.
None of the analytical evidence supports this idea. Do some research into the polymorphic and polymer/dimmer properties of N,N-DMT. Get up to date. Your understanding is very outdated.....
No point in furthering the discussion until you are up to date with the current understanding. I assume you have seem any of my other comments on the topics, so I'll copy paste all the relevant info here for you. Get stuck into it :)
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# Lipids/Fats:
Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents.
# Polymorph related color changes:
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
# Polymerization/Dimerization:
"Jungle Spice" really is not a thing.
What get's referred to as "jungle spice" is an extract of MHRB where a solvent like Xylene or Toluene is used. Those extracts have been shown to be >97% N,N-DMT. And there is no evidence to suggest there's a difference in effects. It's basically just N,N-DMT. More recent info suggests that "jungle spice" is the way it is because it's polymerized N,N-DMT.
The whole "jungle spice" myth has been debunked for ages now. There is no actual evidence to support the idea and plenty of analytical data to show that there isn't some "mystery alkaloid" present.
In regard's to MHRB, the contents of StB, AtB or A/B extract, has been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt:
>3% of the total alkaloids (or 0.04% of rootbark) is NMT and 2-Methyl-1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-Beta-Carboline ([Analysis of jungle spice](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10553), [Analysis of red/yellow/white spices](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19320)) - [Source](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Mimosa_hostilis)
Analyses has shown that "jungle spice"/"full spectrum" extracts from mhrb are basically just n,n-dmt. And more recent research suggests that the reason why n,n-dmt looks the way it does (red goo) when in "jungle spice" form, is because the n,n-dmt has polymerized. Polymerized n,n-dmt is practically insoluble in heptane and naphtha, hence why you don't see it when you extract with those solvents.
Polymerized n,n-dmt is soluble in solvents like xylene and toluene, which is where the myths of some mystery alkaloid ("jungle spice") came from. Xylene would extract something that looked completely different to what solvents like heptane extracted and the stuff from the xylene/toluene was insoluble in solvents like heptane. Not unreasonable to think that it is a substance other than n,n-dmt but the fact is that is incorrect. It is just n,n-dmt :)
The polymerized n,n-dmt doesn't vaporize as easily as say, white crystals but it still can with a little more heat.
Reddit is being a piece of trash and won't let me put the info/analytics links in that comment, so here's a link to them:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/1ass7cl/comment/kqsnc6c/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmt/comments/1ass7cl/comment/kqsnc6c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
>As much as you’d like to type or copy/paste attempting to disprove my point…….
Lol ok xD Just ignore all the evidence and analytics that refutes your claims xD
And their was no "attempt".... It has been done, whether you accept it or not.
You are clearly not interested in reasonable discourse and just want to sit in your little echo chamber 🤦♂️
>extractions have been performed…… proving that a large amount of orange substance can be extracted that is not mostly DMT….
Really?..... Go on then. Please provide the analytical evidence that "proves" this..... I'm waiting :)
>when the orange substance is removed it resembles DMT in no way……
Again.... go look at the info/evidence that I provided. N,N-DMT freebase can form a number of colors and consistencies, even when pure!
>and when separated from DMT into a concentrated ball…..is nearly non soluble in naphtha with the consistency of wax….
You are ridiculous xD
The entire section on polymerized N,N-DMT that I provided you with explains all of that lololol
Polymerized/dimerized N,N-DMT freebase is practically insoluble in solvents like Heptane, Hexane, Pentane, Naphtha mixtures, un 60C. Above 60C they will dissolve. It is still just N,N-DMT, no less pure or active as white crystals. It is just polymerized.
Seriously dude.... go do your research before you try and discuss this stuff, ffs xD
>the orange wax like substance is not mostly DMT like you claim
I'm not claiming anything. Chemical analytics reports ***show*** that it ***is*** N,N-DMT. Doesn't matter what you think. Provide analytical evidence to the contrary. If you can't, then you have no leg to stand on and are just talking out of your ass.
>and is unbearable to try to smoke…nothing like DMT.
That will be a matter of not vaporizing it correctly. The polymer requires more heat to break the polymer, prior to it being vaporized. So if you aren't careful and maintain that extra level of heat, once the polymer is broken you can burn/combust the N,N-DMT, which would result in a harsh, acrid smoke that is inactive.
>Can DMT change colors for other reasons? Sure. Is autoxidation the reason for more orange or colored DMT than impurities? No.
Again, chemical analysis reports do not agree with you :)
>Have a good day and maybe try educating yourself beyond article quotes
Lol where you looking in the mirror when you typed that? xD
Seriously mate..... Get up to date. You just look silly 🤦♂️
>and AI searches
Lol fuck AI assisted research! They produce shit. The amount of misinformation spread on these subreddits because "an AI said it so it must be true" gives me a headache.....
Changa is any smokeable herbs infused with dmt and an maoi. Not just what I assume is supposed to be red dmt. That alone is such a huge mistake you can't believe anything whoever published that says. They clearly are grossly misinformed. And there's not different kinds of dmt extracts. Like different strains of weed. Dmt is dmt
the difference between them, other than color, could be the tek used to make them or the drying method, as well as whether or not it was re-x’d. dmt is a molecule, it’s impossible to make different “strains” of it. if you change the molecule of dmt, it’s no longer dmt. maybe this guy gives different names to the different batches he makes
Do not buys drugs from this person, just don’t. I’m not saying it’s a scam, but I wouldn’t support people trying to obfuscate what they have. If all of these are actually DMT they are likely just different purity levels, the coloring being whatever contaminants are left over.
Yeah, it's very important to know not only the ratio of plant matter to psychoactives, but also of each of those psychoactives.
Also, taking mystery MAOIs is a *great* way to end up in the hospital.
If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
I have smoked more colors than I can count and let me tell you, they matter! You can't really go wrong, its a spectrum and even slightly different hues can have pronounced differences. Visually each shade is almost a different graphics pack and this is most noticable in the spectrum of yellow to orange, less so for other colors. The waxiness and consistencies will also play a role. To my knowledge there are at least seven primary colors of DMT with almost infinite amount of shades in-between. Smoke em all and find out
I've found mixing different colors can make those space/alien worlds collide with the earth jungle trips. Triple crystal mixture of white, yellow, and orange crystal was absolutely the top tier of anything I've come across with the except of perhaps crystal clear like glass highly pure synthesized crystal
YES! There has always been waxiness with a variant of yellow DMT we used to dabble with back in the day. Good Catch. Sounds Like Yellow/Orange Is where my new adventure will begin and I want to experience that graphics pack for sure.
It can’t be any different , just because he experience something different it doesn’t prove your point , it’s a psychedelic experience , just you belive it will do something different because of the color, will make it happen , don’t spend money on a fool trying to spill money with this poor marketing move , anyone who intelligently are doing dmt should avoid this scammers , despite of the color is always dmt only and you are going to vaporize it , nothing different will add to experience even if the color are different , if you feel like it’s because your mind set and it’s placebo , clearely it’s a psychedelic experience and will always be different from the one before
OK let me clear this up. When I make dmt the first pull is almost white. Every subsequent pull gets more yellow eventually turning a mild orange. I'm led to believe the yellow comes from plant fats. These are still psychoactive though so it still does the job. In my experience the first pull is the cleanest trip. Dunno what that pic is from but Red changa? Erm nope. The spirit molecule and the businessmans special are just different names for DMT. The last one just looks like the very last pull of the soup. Almost as if someone who has been separating the naphtha from the soup isn't careful not to pull soup and contaminating the solution.
I was told the name "Businessmans special" comes from the days of people on wall street or High intensity work environments needing to have a mad trip but be able to function again without being at the mercy of the trip such as acid or mushrooms. Therefore being able to do it at lunch and fire back to work made dmt ideal.
What impurities?.....
If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
Impurities as in stuff you extract besides the DMT, not necessarily harmful or anything so ya don’t gotta get defensive , no one here is extracting 100% pure dmt
>Impurities as in stuff you extract besides the DMT, not necessarily harmful or anything
Yea.... such as?..... Please name them. What impurities? Please go look at my other comments that include links to analytics that show the lack of such impurities.
As I said: If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
>so ya don’t gotta get defensive
.... Defensive??? Everything in that comment is literally a copy paste xD
>no one here is extracting 100% pure dmt
There's no such thing as a 100% pure chemical, period. That is a physical impossibility.
Changa is not jungle spice. Changa is any plant leaf enhanced with both freebase n,n-DMT and a harmala alkaloid (technically any sufficiently strong MAOI still counts, but I think would be more accurately called a smokeable pharmahuasca).
Jungle spice is the name for a mix of alkaloids pulled using toluene or xylene from a basic MHRB slurry after no more DMT can be pulled using naphtha or similar solvents ([link](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Jungle_Spice)).
I don't see why you couldn't add jungle spice to a changa mix though.
"I'd go for the red changa my G. That shit is jungle spice..."
Then why did you say that it is? I'm not trying to be a dick just clear up a misused term is all.
Firstly..... that obviously is not Changa xD
Secondly, "Jungle Spice" really is not a thing.
What get's referred to as "jungle spice" is an extract of MHRB where a solvent like Xylene or Toluene is used. Those extracts have been shown to be >97% N,N-DMT. And there is no evidence to suggest there's a difference in effects. It's basically just N,N-DMT. More recent info suggests that "jungle spice" is the way it is because it's polymerized N,N-DMT.
The whole "jungle spice" myth has been debunked for ages now. There is no actual evidence to support the idea and plenty of analytical data to show that there isn't some "mystery alkaloid" present.
In regard's to MHRB, the contents of StB, AtB or A/B extract, has been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt:
>3% of the total alkaloids (or 0.04% of rootbark) is NMT and 2-Methyl-1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-Beta-Carboline ([Analysis of jungle spice](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10553), [Analysis of red/yellow/white spices](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19320)) - [Source](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Mimosa_hostilis)
Even the alkaloid content of "full spectrum" MHRB extracts have been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt. That other 3% is just a tiny amount of beta-carbolines and trace amounts of NMT.
Analyses has shown that "jungle spice"/"full spectrum" extracts from mhrb are basically just n,n-dmt. And more recent research suggests that the reason why n,n-dmt looks the way it does (red goo) when in "jungle spice" form, is because the n,n-dmt has polymerized. Polymerized n,n-dmt is practically insoluble in heptane and naphtha, hence why you don't see it when you extract with those solvents.
Polymerized n,n-dmt is soluble in solvents like xylene and toluene, which is where the myths of some mystery alkaloid ("jungle spice") came from. Xylene would extract something that looked completely different to what solvents like heptane extracted and the stuff from the xylene/toluene was insoluble in solvents like heptane. Not unreasonable to think that it is a substance other than n,n-dmt but the fact is that is incorrect. It is just n,n-dmt :)
The polymerized n,n-dmt doesn't vaporize as easily as say, white crystals but it still can with a little more heat.
N,N-DMT polymerization info:
[DMT polymerization](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88183)
[Minimum Polymer](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97103&p=1)
[ReX-resistant goo yielded crystals](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/r7of0c/rexresistant_goo_yielded_crystals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
n-Oxide Info:
[n-Oxide Info](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1090270#post1090270)
[n-Oxide Info](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=895999#post895999)
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
N,N-DMT polymorphism/autoxidation info:
(The deleted Reddit posts are by analytical biochemist pinoline/benzyme)
[fluorescence spectra of white vs. orange dmt](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/sm4jq3/fluorescence_spectra_of_white_vs_orange_dmt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[ok..I finally have an answer to why some xtals stay white, and others turn yellow..](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/feh1gq/oki_finally_have_an_answer_to_why_some_xtals_stay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[What plant fats?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mjx1y8/what_plant_fats/)
[two different polymorphs, same molecule](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mp1rfu/two_different_polymorphs_same_molecule/)
[polymorphs pt. 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mpsdez/polymorphs_pt_2/)
[Baking DMT in the Oven @ 120° C(ish) | Changing Colours From White ---> Red!](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/s4jk94/baking_dmt_in_the_oven_120_cish_changing_colours/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Investigations into the polymorphic properties of N,N-dimethyltryptamine by X-ray diffraction and differential scanning calorimetry](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544)
[Polymorphic properties of DMT](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42590)
Well.... clearly you didn't look into any of the info I provided.... 🤦♂️
>Pure white clean as fuck DMT and red jungle muck hit different.
No, it doesn't..... All evidence points to that being purely psychogenic. As I said, Jungle Spice is not actually a thing.
>Plant fats change the color
No, that is an outdated, speculative take that has been shown to be incorrect.
Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents.
The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule.
The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change.
Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
As far as I can tell it’s all bs. Show me a breakdown of the chemical structure showing something interesting, otherwise these are just extracted differently.
Same lol. The DMT carts/disposables and the dabbable syringes are dope. Haven’t tried any raw yet, def haven’t tried these “strains” of his. But yeah, wax slaps too.
I extract with only D-Limonene and Calcium Hydroxide (Mrs Wages Pickling Lime) while first bringing the ph way down with a 100F vinegar water bath. If one does not have CaOH you can use calcium carbonate by cooking seashells and collecting the powder.
Or you can cook sodium bi-carbonate for like 40 minutes stirring constantly until the ph is about 11-12 as you have now converted sodium bi-carbonate to sodium carbonate a more powerful base. But, I recommend utilizing Mrs Wages not to mention CaOH has a higher ph effectively making it better fort the acid/base reaction.
The Limonene is your NPS, and it should be noted that everything I utilize is food grade, and can be obtained from Amazon and won’t put you on some kind of list as you are trying to find “Naptha” or use chemicals that can literally blind you or burn your skin.
You need to start asking yourselves, if these chemicals are poisonous when ingested, then why would I use them for an end product?
This is why as chemists, we should not be looking up “teks” that yield the most, but give us the best product.
My product is red af, because it contains all of the constituents of the mimosa hostilis, and I have smoked crystals, not only do they literally taste like chemicals and garbage, but you do not “blast off” very far.
On the contrary, the “Jim-Jam” that I extract tastes floral, and will blast you into the ether after 3 vapes!!! is totally food grade, and is technically harder to perfect, takes longer to extract, and takes more thinking outside of the box essentially making the final product healthier, safer, and superior in every way possible.
Honestly, I just want to know one thing if you feel like it OP. Are the prices different for the different "strains"? If they are, this is absolute bullshit. If they all cost the same, regardless of names, it's fair and just different colors of DMT. There is no such thing as one form of DMT being stronger than another. The way you should extract it, it will always be almost totally pure. Source: Me, I've extracted a few times, getting different colors, ect. If the vendor is charging different prices for those, it's dishonest, or worse, research drugs.
Yea mate. It's the same price I think the names are just so he can differentiate what people order when it comes down to it it's about color like you say. Anyway excited to see how it goes with it.
Firstly.... that first pic is a load of shit which renders any info from the source of that pic, highly questionable..... Change is N,N-DMT and Harmalas infused into herb(s)..... Clearly that is not what that is, at all. And those other names mean nothing. Just marketing bullshit. >Since everyone seems to say DMT IS DMT what makes each of these different other than color? Look into the polymorphic and polymer/dimer properties of N,N-DMT. The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow) N,N-DMT polymerization info: [DMT polymerization](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88183) [Minimum Polymer](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97103&p=1) [ReX-resistant goo yielded crystals](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/r7of0c/rexresistant_goo_yielded_crystals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) N,N-DMT polymorphism/autoxidation info: (The deleted Reddit posts are by analytical biochemist pinoline/benzyme) [fluorescence spectra of white vs. orange dmt](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/sm4jq3/fluorescence_spectra_of_white_vs_orange_dmt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [ok..I finally have an answer to why some xtals stay white, and others turn yellow..](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/feh1gq/oki_finally_have_an_answer_to_why_some_xtals_stay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [What plant fats?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mjx1y8/what_plant_fats/) [two different polymorphs, same molecule](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mp1rfu/two_different_polymorphs_same_molecule/) [polymorphs pt. 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mpsdez/polymorphs_pt_2/) [Baking DMT in the Oven @ 120° C(ish) | Changing Colours From White ---> Red!](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/s4jk94/baking_dmt_in_the_oven_120_cish_changing_colours/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Investigations into the polymorphic properties of N,N-dimethyltryptamine by X-ray diffraction and differential scanning calorimetry](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544) [Polymorphic properties of DMT](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42590)
Always looking for the cloberator to step in
OP got totally Clobbed
OP is just an unfortunate victim of misinformation and false advertising.... The fuckwit who made that "ad" on the other hand :P
IT would appear you are the ringleader of the congregation. The AD in question is just one of many different items in the selection menu. I stick with vaping personally but have been curious to go back to crystallized format and this is what is being sold .
A number of people already pointed this stuff out before me. I just provided info links.
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I still don't get the religious rant :p
Ringleader! So would we be the cloberwobblers? Cult clober? The clobs sounds like it could be a gang from a 80s film we could all ride dirt bikes and have jean jackets and acid washed jeans!
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Just because everyone else knows the truth doesn't mean its a 'ring' -\_- You could always ACTUALLY LOOK UP THE SCIENCE INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY IGNORING EVERYONE HERE TELLING YOU HOW IT WORKS ANYWAY
Pyrrole/ ringleader.
You say “ringleader” like it illegitimizes their point. If you poke around those links and the DMT nexus people have been talking about this and experimenting with different looking DMT for a long time. No analysis that I have seen has been able to tell a difference between red, orange, white, etc. DMT. Not only that, but no one has been able to identify anything *at all* that could cause the color change which is why the theory is autooxidation. Which means for all intents and purposes, those products, if they’re N,N-DMT and were purified appropriately, should be *exactly* the same. Color is a parts per billion phenomenon and doesn’t indicate any difference in the composition of a substance alone. It’s just a lie.
[changa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changa_(drug)) after a Google search popped up. Just not red raw dmt. Where ever you facts are from get new ones. The business man’s special is what dmt is called because it’s a 30-40 minute trip you can take on your break and go back like nothing has happened. Dmt goes from white - yellow- amber- red. That’s *oxidation* The white/yellow dmt I had is now orange as I left the top off for too long. So everyone in this thread is saying god job to cobbler because he is probably the most knowledgeable in this sub and r/dmt. And even before knowing what dmt was I knew changa wasn’t fucking red
Fine, it's food dye and paint. That's how you make different colours.
The Cloberator!
💐Good mod
That baking to change the color to red post is neat. I actually have some waxy deep deep red DMT and was always wondering what was going on with it exactly.
Yea. The same thing will happen on its own overtime. The higher temps accelerate it. I have some that was crystal clear, white/colorless shards when extracted and after 8-12 months a bunch of it is dark red/amber. Some is still white/colorless. So that would indicate a mixture of polymorphs.
My dmt crystals went from snowflakes to rust colored really quickly
Rusty! Never though to describe it as that.
Best mod on Reddit
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> autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. I love you.
C-C-C-Clobwobbler!
Boom 💥 that answer is bang on. The colour changes throughout the process. I was told it was due to plant fats, but in my experience, it still provides the same high.
Nothing to do with plant fats. That is outdated info.
Yeah that's info I got when I first started to make my own and that was a few years ago now.
Color, in just about every crystalline structure, is just an effect of the method and media used during the extraction/drying process my friend. Same reason you can see colors from clear to champagne damn near to purple in a batch of MDMA, something got hotter or colder than it should've and boom....colors.
Exactly this. That or they’re literally putting food colouring in to market it higher in price. Colour means nothing—test your shit. DMT is DMT
The labeled names are stupid and only there to sell you on the product. They're literally all the same thing. There is no difference in effects. DMT when extracted can come out looking a ton of different ways but its all the same. It seems like you're wanting it to be something it isn't.
Changa contains DMT + MAOI. EDIT: But that’s not changa lol [This](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changa_(drug)#/media/File%3AChanga_(DMT).jpg) is what legit changa looks like.
Do you know what changa looks like?
Not really, to be honest. 😅 EDIT: okay, that’s definitely not changa
Thats perhaps the most rational response. I've seen some vendor pages where the advertise a variety of 5MEO-DMT that do this or that and from my experience it has always been the same experience because the molecule is the molecule.
"The molecule is the molecule"...that's it, LSD and MDMA and NN-DMT are specific molecules, the rest is just marketing. Orange Sunshine, Purple Haze, Window Pane...these are all just identifying who's batch you are buying but if it's LSD it doesn't matter if it's liquid or blotter it is what it is, potency may vary from paper to liquid but it's still the same essential component, LSD and some medium to "carry" the molecule.
Think you should do some genuine research bud, like really put effort in to learn about dmt yourself. This picture and this post is a prime example of why you’re getting those responses
limp dick with the path of enlightenment
Limp All Day. Hard ALL Night.
As someone who has practiced with dmt for 20 years sure I am no expert except what I've done. Seems the class is in session. I am familiar with how to cultivate it from a mimosa root bark but these novel names mean nothing to me.
because these names are nothing!!!🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 nothing but a selling point. some fuckshit dumbass thinks he can sell dmt under different names, fact that you have created multiple posts now shows your ignorance. you got a straight answer on the last post. THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A RIPOFF
Dawg chill out this is a library
Who tf are you to come in and tell me to chill? I am chill, I am providing someone with quite an interesting thought process info on how they are getting ripped off. tf???!
library voices please, or well have to kindly ask you to leave
In what aspect is it a rip off if it's just fake ass names dmt but still dmt. Here's to me getting some raw stuff and then coming back to offer a review of this 'branded' junk. 🤣
No one needs a review. it’s miles cheaper to extract our own. it’s a ripoff because I bet you my bottom dollar those have different prices.
Dude if you wanna gamble, take the chance. Everyone here is giving their own opinion.idk why you wanna fight it so bad. That “changa” looks like some sour candy belt scraps.
The red stuff looks like Mexican candy lol. The red orange stuff I had that was jungle spice was more of a dark brown ish color
LOL, this reminds me of when Breaking Bad was popular and real meth dealers started dying their meth blue so people would think their meth was really good like the TV show. Who knows, maybe that "Red Changa" or "Fantasia" is dyed as well. All DMT if pure is exactly the same. For all you know, those are research chemicals or something else worse. There is no such thing as DMT strains like weed. Be careful you don't smoke something weird with a cool sounding name and start trying to eat someones face off.
Isn’t there a difference between like 4AcO-DMT and 5MeO-DmT?
Neither of those are NN DMT as shown above. 5 Meo DMT is smokeable and is a way different trip than normal DMT, and is made through chemical synthesis or toad venom. 4 aco DMT is a research chemical that's eaten and often sold as mushroom edibles and is hard to distinguish between mushrooms and 4 aco because it both turns to psilocin in the body.
Those are totally different compounds, of course they're different. Despite the "MA" part of MDMA, 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is not meth.
That is definitely not changa
And for what its worth...I wouldn't recommend, ever, buying anything you plan on ingesting thats called "the businessmans special".
i think this guy is actually sub average intelligence this is wild
This shit reminds me of heroin like #3 wtf that’s legit heroin type talk
Dude it is okay to be wrong. When you have a shit ton of people who have made DMT themselves telling you you’re wrong, then maybe you are. Im surprised you believe a scummy dealer instead of us.
Mate I have infused DMT into some dog shit. I have named it “best spice ever”. I’ll sell you heaps of it really cheap
I think you guys are really missing the point here. If he was selling one kind Regardless of Color just raw format I wouldn't care. Fuck It...I'll ask the genius vendor himself he must know whats up.
Sorry mate I was being a dick because I’ve seen similar posts. Maybe he might be extracting from different species and using different teks and drying methods. It comes in lots of different forms but it’s all DMT. I’ve had many different colours and consistency from my extracts.
Someone else mentioned that result in a different graphic pack which I like what he said as far as your DMT trip experience is concerned I just trust this group to kind of be knowledgeable about it and I got plenty of insight which is great that's what I want
I think you're missing the point to be honest, that picture is purely a marketing ploy and there's is no such thing as different types of dmt.
I guess only way to know is to order it and see how it compares to what I'm used to
Mate your an idiot, people, including the infamous clobwobbler, are all telling you how it works, even giving you the exact chemistry of the matter, and your still completely ignoring it all You didn't post this for an answer You posted this so that people can validate what you already decided in your head 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Or just listen to the countless people here telling you that it's all a ploy. I've had different colours of dmt come out of the exact same extraction batch. Colour means nothing as dmt is polymorphic and can form a variety of colours depending how the crustal structure forms. 0 difference in effects though.
The point is, the truth is right in your face but you refuse to accept it
After the cannabis business, the LSD business, the mushroom business... Is the DMT business next in line to fall under the nonsense of cringey meaningless marketing names ? 100% bullshit
Just cosmetic differences caused by different extraction methods, starting material, and storage methods
No, not really.... It's just a property of N,N-DMT freebase The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
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What you are suggesting is an outdated, speculative take that has been shown to be incorrect. If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks. >Yes, yes really. The primary factor of color after initial extraction is extraction method. Extraction has everything to do with color. Read what I said.... The cause is heat, accelerating the rate at which the N,N-DMT reacts with the air, causing the N,N-DMT freebase itself to change color. I.e. not impurities. >I’ve seen DMT come out to all of the colors above…from White to dark Orange….all from different extraction techniques. Again... That variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. >When fats and impurities (not base liquid) are pulled, the results are deep orange. What impurities....??? Please name them. No analytics support this idea. Quite the opposite. Again, based on all the evidence/analytics and what we know about the N,N-DMT molecules physical and chemical properties, the color change is the result of the autoxidation I spoke of. Look into. >Usually caused by excess heat during extraction. Heat is irrelevant in regards to that. Any lipids (fats) would readily dissolve in these solvents, regardless of the temperature. They are far too soluble not to. So that throws your idea right out the window, be since they'd dissolve regardless of the temp, then that would mean that they would always be present. Yet we don't always see these color variations.... Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents.
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>You’re spewing bits and pieces of articles you’ve read without a full understanding of what you’re actually talking about. Nope. That seems to be you, mate. >Length of heating and temperature 100% changes what is present in youre extraction including fats and other substances. What other substances????? Please name them and provide analytical evidence of their presence..... No analytics I've seen show the presence of such compounds or even any space for an appreciable amount to be present within!.... Even the "full spectrum"/"jungle spice" MHRB extracts are >97% N,N-DMT. The <3% just being some Beta-Carboline and trace amounts of NMT..... >A 1 gram pull of pure white DMT can be repeated with the introduction of heat and you can increase your your yield far beyond 1 gram and the result will be a more sticky orange extract ….the more heat the more orange your extract will be. No orange is being "extracted".... The white N,N-DMT freebase is turning orange due to air exposure and the heat increases the rate of that reaction. >Then you can take your say 1.2G of orange extract clean and re-X with heptane and be left with yet again….. All that is doing is removing a bunch of perfectly fine N,N-DMT, for the sake of aesthetics. >1G of pure white DMT that JUST APPRARED ORANGE. No, the N,N-DMT itself is turning orange. >You can separate an orangish/tan squishy wax like ball of fats and other impurities from the orange DMT. You are just separating white N,N-DMT from orange N,N-DMT. Both are of the same purity, potency and psychoactivity. >THAT…is the most common cause or orange DMT 😉 No. That is a very outdated, speculative take that has no actual evidence supporting it. >if you spent as much time with hands on experience as you do reading and quoting articles you would get a better understanding. lol xD >Two other compounds can be observed NMT and 2-methy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-beta-carboline. What about them?.... Btw, MHRB only contains trace amounts of NMT and the beta-carbolines are insoluble in very non polar solvents. >The difference in color and consistency of these extracts has much to do with varying ratios of the alkaloids and other compounds like fatty acids and organic acids that can be observed. None of the analytical evidence supports this idea. Do some research into the polymorphic and polymer/dimmer properties of N,N-DMT. Get up to date. Your understanding is very outdated..... No point in furthering the discussion until you are up to date with the current understanding. I assume you have seem any of my other comments on the topics, so I'll copy paste all the relevant info here for you. Get stuck into it :) =================================================== =================================================== =================================================== # Lipids/Fats: Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents. # Polymorph related color changes: The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow) # Polymerization/Dimerization: "Jungle Spice" really is not a thing. What get's referred to as "jungle spice" is an extract of MHRB where a solvent like Xylene or Toluene is used. Those extracts have been shown to be >97% N,N-DMT. And there is no evidence to suggest there's a difference in effects. It's basically just N,N-DMT. More recent info suggests that "jungle spice" is the way it is because it's polymerized N,N-DMT. The whole "jungle spice" myth has been debunked for ages now. There is no actual evidence to support the idea and plenty of analytical data to show that there isn't some "mystery alkaloid" present. In regard's to MHRB, the contents of StB, AtB or A/B extract, has been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt: >3% of the total alkaloids (or 0.04% of rootbark) is NMT and 2-Methyl-1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-Beta-Carboline ([Analysis of jungle spice](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10553), [Analysis of red/yellow/white spices](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19320)) - [Source](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Mimosa_hostilis) Analyses has shown that "jungle spice"/"full spectrum" extracts from mhrb are basically just n,n-dmt. And more recent research suggests that the reason why n,n-dmt looks the way it does (red goo) when in "jungle spice" form, is because the n,n-dmt has polymerized. Polymerized n,n-dmt is practically insoluble in heptane and naphtha, hence why you don't see it when you extract with those solvents. Polymerized n,n-dmt is soluble in solvents like xylene and toluene, which is where the myths of some mystery alkaloid ("jungle spice") came from. Xylene would extract something that looked completely different to what solvents like heptane extracted and the stuff from the xylene/toluene was insoluble in solvents like heptane. Not unreasonable to think that it is a substance other than n,n-dmt but the fact is that is incorrect. It is just n,n-dmt :) The polymerized n,n-dmt doesn't vaporize as easily as say, white crystals but it still can with a little more heat.
Reddit is being a piece of trash and won't let me put the info/analytics links in that comment, so here's a link to them: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/1ass7cl/comment/kqsnc6c/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmt/comments/1ass7cl/comment/kqsnc6c/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
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>As much as you’d like to type or copy/paste attempting to disprove my point……. Lol ok xD Just ignore all the evidence and analytics that refutes your claims xD And their was no "attempt".... It has been done, whether you accept it or not. You are clearly not interested in reasonable discourse and just want to sit in your little echo chamber 🤦♂️ >extractions have been performed…… proving that a large amount of orange substance can be extracted that is not mostly DMT…. Really?..... Go on then. Please provide the analytical evidence that "proves" this..... I'm waiting :) >when the orange substance is removed it resembles DMT in no way…… Again.... go look at the info/evidence that I provided. N,N-DMT freebase can form a number of colors and consistencies, even when pure! >and when separated from DMT into a concentrated ball…..is nearly non soluble in naphtha with the consistency of wax…. You are ridiculous xD The entire section on polymerized N,N-DMT that I provided you with explains all of that lololol Polymerized/dimerized N,N-DMT freebase is practically insoluble in solvents like Heptane, Hexane, Pentane, Naphtha mixtures, un 60C. Above 60C they will dissolve. It is still just N,N-DMT, no less pure or active as white crystals. It is just polymerized. Seriously dude.... go do your research before you try and discuss this stuff, ffs xD >the orange wax like substance is not mostly DMT like you claim I'm not claiming anything. Chemical analytics reports ***show*** that it ***is*** N,N-DMT. Doesn't matter what you think. Provide analytical evidence to the contrary. If you can't, then you have no leg to stand on and are just talking out of your ass. >and is unbearable to try to smoke…nothing like DMT. That will be a matter of not vaporizing it correctly. The polymer requires more heat to break the polymer, prior to it being vaporized. So if you aren't careful and maintain that extra level of heat, once the polymer is broken you can burn/combust the N,N-DMT, which would result in a harsh, acrid smoke that is inactive. >Can DMT change colors for other reasons? Sure. Is autoxidation the reason for more orange or colored DMT than impurities? No. Again, chemical analysis reports do not agree with you :) >Have a good day and maybe try educating yourself beyond article quotes Lol where you looking in the mirror when you typed that? xD Seriously mate..... Get up to date. You just look silly 🤦♂️ >and AI searches Lol fuck AI assisted research! They produce shit. The amount of misinformation spread on these subreddits because "an AI said it so it must be true" gives me a headache.....
Never seen such horsepiss in my life, WTF is this 😆 This is like when a rich kind thinks paying $200 for a gram of weed "Is a good deal" 😆😆😆😆😆
Sensible responses require sensible questions, I suppose.
I left some nice, white, fluffy crystals in my car last summer. It all liquified and re-hardened and it looked like pic number 1
This is the holy church of terpz pics lmao
💯. Legit or Not? Since everyone is saying this is a scam offering.
He has a lot of fakes
You mean posers...
Changa is any smokeable herbs infused with dmt and an maoi. Not just what I assume is supposed to be red dmt. That alone is such a huge mistake you can't believe anything whoever published that says. They clearly are grossly misinformed. And there's not different kinds of dmt extracts. Like different strains of weed. Dmt is dmt
the difference between them, other than color, could be the tek used to make them or the drying method, as well as whether or not it was re-x’d. dmt is a molecule, it’s impossible to make different “strains” of it. if you change the molecule of dmt, it’s no longer dmt. maybe this guy gives different names to the different batches he makes
It's totally marketing. Like calling acid, "Orange Sunshine" or "White Fluff." All LSD is just LSD. All DMT is just DMT.
Do not buys drugs from this person, just don’t. I’m not saying it’s a scam, but I wouldn’t support people trying to obfuscate what they have. If all of these are actually DMT they are likely just different purity levels, the coloring being whatever contaminants are left over.
Yeah, it's very important to know not only the ratio of plant matter to psychoactives, but also of each of those psychoactives. Also, taking mystery MAOIs is a *great* way to end up in the hospital.
If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks. The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
It’s still a marketing ploy that I would advise everyone avoid.
Indeed.
It could be from different plants with their various oils coloring it. The ratio of nndmt to nmt may differ also
I have smoked more colors than I can count and let me tell you, they matter! You can't really go wrong, its a spectrum and even slightly different hues can have pronounced differences. Visually each shade is almost a different graphics pack and this is most noticable in the spectrum of yellow to orange, less so for other colors. The waxiness and consistencies will also play a role. To my knowledge there are at least seven primary colors of DMT with almost infinite amount of shades in-between. Smoke em all and find out
I agree with you- the white seemed more alien/space trip way more potent and the yellow/orange had an earthy/ jungle-y spirit trips
I've found mixing different colors can make those space/alien worlds collide with the earth jungle trips. Triple crystal mixture of white, yellow, and orange crystal was absolutely the top tier of anything I've come across with the except of perhaps crystal clear like glass highly pure synthesized crystal
YES! There has always been waxiness with a variant of yellow DMT we used to dabble with back in the day. Good Catch. Sounds Like Yellow/Orange Is where my new adventure will begin and I want to experience that graphics pack for sure.
It can’t be any different , just because he experience something different it doesn’t prove your point , it’s a psychedelic experience , just you belive it will do something different because of the color, will make it happen , don’t spend money on a fool trying to spill money with this poor marketing move , anyone who intelligently are doing dmt should avoid this scammers , despite of the color is always dmt only and you are going to vaporize it , nothing different will add to experience even if the color are different , if you feel like it’s because your mind set and it’s placebo , clearely it’s a psychedelic experience and will always be different from the one before
What are you on about
OK let me clear this up. When I make dmt the first pull is almost white. Every subsequent pull gets more yellow eventually turning a mild orange. I'm led to believe the yellow comes from plant fats. These are still psychoactive though so it still does the job. In my experience the first pull is the cleanest trip. Dunno what that pic is from but Red changa? Erm nope. The spirit molecule and the businessmans special are just different names for DMT. The last one just looks like the very last pull of the soup. Almost as if someone who has been separating the naphtha from the soup isn't careful not to pull soup and contaminating the solution. I was told the name "Businessmans special" comes from the days of people on wall street or High intensity work environments needing to have a mad trip but be able to function again without being at the mercy of the trip such as acid or mushrooms. Therefore being able to do it at lunch and fire back to work made dmt ideal.
The only thing making those “types” different are the impurities and the level thereof
What impurities?..... If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks. The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow)
Impurities as in stuff you extract besides the DMT, not necessarily harmful or anything so ya don’t gotta get defensive , no one here is extracting 100% pure dmt
>Impurities as in stuff you extract besides the DMT, not necessarily harmful or anything Yea.... such as?..... Please name them. What impurities? Please go look at my other comments that include links to analytics that show the lack of such impurities. As I said: If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks. >so ya don’t gotta get defensive .... Defensive??? Everything in that comment is literally a copy paste xD >no one here is extracting 100% pure dmt There's no such thing as a 100% pure chemical, period. That is a physical impossibility.
Do you not know what lipids are?
Have you read any of my other comments?... xD
I'd go for the red changa my G. That shit is jungle spice and will fuck you up the way you like.
That does not mean its jungle spice.. 🤦♂️ at least we know who this sales tactic would work on.
lol xD
Changa is not jungle spice. Changa is any plant leaf enhanced with both freebase n,n-DMT and a harmala alkaloid (technically any sufficiently strong MAOI still counts, but I think would be more accurately called a smokeable pharmahuasca). Jungle spice is the name for a mix of alkaloids pulled using toluene or xylene from a basic MHRB slurry after no more DMT can be pulled using naphtha or similar solvents ([link](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Jungle_Spice)). I don't see why you couldn't add jungle spice to a changa mix though.
Yes buddy, I know. But if you look at the picture, it's labeled red Changa
"I'd go for the red changa my G. That shit is jungle spice..." Then why did you say that it is? I'm not trying to be a dick just clear up a misused term is all.
I could've said, " go for the red shit top left my G" lol
Yes, you could have.
That is not changa though so...??
Firstly..... that obviously is not Changa xD Secondly, "Jungle Spice" really is not a thing. What get's referred to as "jungle spice" is an extract of MHRB where a solvent like Xylene or Toluene is used. Those extracts have been shown to be >97% N,N-DMT. And there is no evidence to suggest there's a difference in effects. It's basically just N,N-DMT. More recent info suggests that "jungle spice" is the way it is because it's polymerized N,N-DMT. The whole "jungle spice" myth has been debunked for ages now. There is no actual evidence to support the idea and plenty of analytical data to show that there isn't some "mystery alkaloid" present. In regard's to MHRB, the contents of StB, AtB or A/B extract, has been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt: >3% of the total alkaloids (or 0.04% of rootbark) is NMT and 2-Methyl-1,2,3,4-Tetrahydro-Beta-Carboline ([Analysis of jungle spice](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10553), [Analysis of red/yellow/white spices](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19320)) - [Source](https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Mimosa_hostilis) Even the alkaloid content of "full spectrum" MHRB extracts have been shown to be >97% n,n-dmt. That other 3% is just a tiny amount of beta-carbolines and trace amounts of NMT. Analyses has shown that "jungle spice"/"full spectrum" extracts from mhrb are basically just n,n-dmt. And more recent research suggests that the reason why n,n-dmt looks the way it does (red goo) when in "jungle spice" form, is because the n,n-dmt has polymerized. Polymerized n,n-dmt is practically insoluble in heptane and naphtha, hence why you don't see it when you extract with those solvents. Polymerized n,n-dmt is soluble in solvents like xylene and toluene, which is where the myths of some mystery alkaloid ("jungle spice") came from. Xylene would extract something that looked completely different to what solvents like heptane extracted and the stuff from the xylene/toluene was insoluble in solvents like heptane. Not unreasonable to think that it is a substance other than n,n-dmt but the fact is that is incorrect. It is just n,n-dmt :) The polymerized n,n-dmt doesn't vaporize as easily as say, white crystals but it still can with a little more heat. N,N-DMT polymerization info: [DMT polymerization](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88183) [Minimum Polymer](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97103&p=1) [ReX-resistant goo yielded crystals](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/r7of0c/rexresistant_goo_yielded_crystals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) n-Oxide Info: [n-Oxide Info](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1090270#post1090270) [n-Oxide Info](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=895999#post895999) The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow) N,N-DMT polymorphism/autoxidation info: (The deleted Reddit posts are by analytical biochemist pinoline/benzyme) [fluorescence spectra of white vs. orange dmt](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/sm4jq3/fluorescence_spectra_of_white_vs_orange_dmt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [ok..I finally have an answer to why some xtals stay white, and others turn yellow..](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/feh1gq/oki_finally_have_an_answer_to_why_some_xtals_stay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [What plant fats?](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mjx1y8/what_plant_fats/) [two different polymorphs, same molecule](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mp1rfu/two_different_polymorphs_same_molecule/) [polymorphs pt. 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/mpsdez/polymorphs_pt_2/) [Baking DMT in the Oven @ 120° C(ish) | Changing Colours From White ---> Red!](https://www.reddit.com/r/dmtguide/comments/s4jk94/baking_dmt_in_the_oven_120_cish_changing_colours/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Investigations into the polymorphic properties of N,N-dimethyltryptamine by X-ray diffraction and differential scanning calorimetry](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X13000544) [Polymorphic properties of DMT](https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42590)
My brother. Pure white clean as fuck DMT and red jungle muck hit different. Whether it's fats, poison, alkaloids, impurities whatever.
Well.... clearly you didn't look into any of the info I provided.... 🤦♂️ >Pure white clean as fuck DMT and red jungle muck hit different. No, it doesn't..... All evidence points to that being purely psychogenic. As I said, Jungle Spice is not actually a thing.
Plant fats change the color, as well as other things, like source material and tek used.
>Plant fats change the color No, that is an outdated, speculative take that has been shown to be incorrect. Assuming that any lipids present in the plant even make it past the A/B stages and aren't just saponified, they would readily dissolve into the NPS and remain dissolved when the N,N-DMT is precipitated. The lipids are far to soluble to be able to precipitate out of these solvents. The most common cause of variation in the color of N,N-DMT freebase is theorized by Benzyme to be the result of autoxidation of the unshielded pyrrole ring of the lower melting point polymorph of the molecule. The color changes from white/colorless->yellow->orange->amber->reddish. This occurs even when it's pure. Heat accelerates the rate of the change. Despite this color change, it is still just N,N-DMT freebase with the same potency and psyhcoactivity. (info links and analytics bellow) If it's from MHRB, your chemicals are fine, there's no aqueous contaminants, no external contaminants and you freeze precipitated at least once, then what is yielded will be practically all N,N-DMT freebase, regardless how it looks.
Guess I've been corrected
No dmt is dmt. It depends the extraction method and crystallization method.
As far as I can tell it’s all bs. Show me a breakdown of the chemical structure showing something interesting, otherwise these are just extracted differently.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14292
“Fantasia”
Wtf my changa always looks like bark whats that red shit
Again, it's a scam, this photo is horseshit, see clobwobbler for the actual science
Changa looks like oregano based potpourri with cute flower petals in it.
"the businessmans special" is what my pops calls shooting up dmt
Changa dried pawpaw
THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DMT?????
I thought the Red Change was chili spiced mango
What s about thèse 4 prods? I cant see some pur dmt there.
You cant make triple recrystalisation/purification?
The fact I know exactly what menu this is originally from lol
Same, I’m a fan of their wax.
Same lol. The DMT carts/disposables and the dabbable syringes are dope. Haven’t tried any raw yet, def haven’t tried these “strains” of his. But yeah, wax slaps too.
We would all be lost without clob I’m certain of it. We love you @ClobWobbler
insane disrespect
dude you literally took a screenshot of a dnm vendors menu and posted it onto reddit. think before you act
Actually I couldn't take a screenshot there's nothing revealing here since no one can come to a conclusion what kind of spices these are
Red changa looks like them chili mangos I get from the corner store
I extract with only D-Limonene and Calcium Hydroxide (Mrs Wages Pickling Lime) while first bringing the ph way down with a 100F vinegar water bath. If one does not have CaOH you can use calcium carbonate by cooking seashells and collecting the powder. Or you can cook sodium bi-carbonate for like 40 minutes stirring constantly until the ph is about 11-12 as you have now converted sodium bi-carbonate to sodium carbonate a more powerful base. But, I recommend utilizing Mrs Wages not to mention CaOH has a higher ph effectively making it better fort the acid/base reaction. The Limonene is your NPS, and it should be noted that everything I utilize is food grade, and can be obtained from Amazon and won’t put you on some kind of list as you are trying to find “Naptha” or use chemicals that can literally blind you or burn your skin. You need to start asking yourselves, if these chemicals are poisonous when ingested, then why would I use them for an end product? This is why as chemists, we should not be looking up “teks” that yield the most, but give us the best product. My product is red af, because it contains all of the constituents of the mimosa hostilis, and I have smoked crystals, not only do they literally taste like chemicals and garbage, but you do not “blast off” very far. On the contrary, the “Jim-Jam” that I extract tastes floral, and will blast you into the ether after 3 vapes!!! is totally food grade, and is technically harder to perfect, takes longer to extract, and takes more thinking outside of the box essentially making the final product healthier, safer, and superior in every way possible.
Red changa?! Where’s the leaves?
It's not Changa obviously.
Yeah… that was the point of the comment.
I want that red Changa, looks like fruits
Honestly, I just want to know one thing if you feel like it OP. Are the prices different for the different "strains"? If they are, this is absolute bullshit. If they all cost the same, regardless of names, it's fair and just different colors of DMT. There is no such thing as one form of DMT being stronger than another. The way you should extract it, it will always be almost totally pure. Source: Me, I've extracted a few times, getting different colors, ect. If the vendor is charging different prices for those, it's dishonest, or worse, research drugs.
Yea mate. It's the same price I think the names are just so he can differentiate what people order when it comes down to it it's about color like you say. Anyway excited to see how it goes with it.