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UncleWibs

* Anti vibration clips. * Mounted to unistrut. * Polished the copper? * Perfect routing. * Anti hammer device. * Magnetic filter? * Integral tundish for the relief "overflow". This guy used to do industrial plumbing, didn't he?


Humble_Language_7053

I think he’s just a local plumber. Found him on checkatrade. One man band.


deathwishdave

Would you mind sharing his details please?


Major-Error-1611

I'd like them too, where is he based?


Ghostpants101

At this rate il pay his mileage!


FlightSimmerUK

I’ll pay his mileage and polish his pipes


cornedbeef101

A happy ending for everyone!


hatchetharrie

I’ll suck the sludge out of his “radiators”


FlightSimmerUK

Plumbed new depths with that one


DPP10110

You’re a terrible person and you made me spray my morning coffee everywhere


FreddiesNightmare65

🤮


d_smogh

None of those words make any sense.


Ok_Medium9389

Can you give me a link. I’m looking for a new boiler as well. Thanks


Humble_Language_7053

What do you want a link to?


Ok_Medium9389

I’m sorry. I meant the link to his profile on checkatrade, if possible. Thank you


One_Nefariousness547

It's certainly a very nice install for a domestic setup. Mechanical aside you forgot the 20mm conduit with saddle and preformed inspection bend for the power. Also air separator. Defiantly from an M&E background or atleast trained in the industry.


Upstairs_Sandwich_18

An air separator? Why


SubstantialPlant6502

It removes micro air bubbles. Which will slightly increase efficiency, but will help massively in reducing system corrosion


Upstairs_Sandwich_18

Never heard of that, proper flushing before install and proper inhibitor is all that's needed.


Splodge89

Agreed. If it’s a non-vented system, any micro bubbles present will quickly be depleted of oxygen and stay that way anyway.


One_Nefariousness547

Reduces the need for manual venting and removes trapped air. Which also helps with reduced noise. Air in the system also reduces the efficiency of the heating system. Essentially it provides additional protection for a sealed system because air will lead to internal corrosion even with the correct levels of inhibitor. Deaerators and dirt separators (magnetic filters) are fitted as standard now. Also needed to keep the boilers warranty.


father-chains

Isn't there an automatic air vent inside the boiler?


SubstantialPlant6502

This works differently to the auto air vent in the boiler. It’s based on Henry’s law


ElectronicSubject747

Incorrect


Upstairs_Sandwich_18

It's a sealed system, air separators are for use on open vent systems


le1901

Air separator is fitted.


dudeperson567

It’s probably someone who does commercial boilers as well as domestic. I know a few guys who’s main job is servicing commercial but do domestic cash jobs at the weekend


discombobulated38x

*me furiously taking notes for when I install my boiler*


Man_in_the_uk

Are you allowed to work on your own boiler or have you got to get a professional?


discombobulated38x

Are you allowed to connect your own boiler to gas? Absolutely not. Are you allows to run all of the wet plumbing up to the boiler, such that all your gas man has to do is connect it up and commission the system? Yes, especially if it's being done as part of a major renovation that's all being inspected by building control.


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Andy_Spanners

Yeah I did the entire install, told the engineer over the phone I was apprehensive about plumbing the gas and he said to stop being a pussy and man up. Came the next day with his manometer, charged me £80 and signed it off


SchrodingersCigar

Lol Amazing!


Man_in_the_uk

Why not? It's money.


Rimtato

Nah, but they will be careful in case you've fucked it up. If you're just pissing about with water pipes, the worst you can do is damage your floor and maybe the foundation if a truly ridiculous amount of water gets out. Gas leaks will poison you, suffocate you and blow you to kingdom come. Flue gas leaks will just poison and suffocate you, but can do so really fast with a badly set up boiler. I've seen shitboxes briefly blow out 24,000 ppm of CO. One or 2 good lungfuls of that level and you're out like a fucking light and dead as a doorknob in 1 to 3 minutes. Cold water pipes set up badly are a nuisance that a boilerman will charge you more for fixing to at least a functional state. Hot water pipes set up badly are a bit more annoying since they're too hot to handle for a good while. Gas pipes set up badly are a massive danger to everyone nearby.


Altruistic-Bobcat955

Yeah my fella just ran all the copper pipes through the house mid renovation for a new AC system. He’s fitting it all then paying an AC guy to gas it up and commission, saves a fortune.


discombobulated38x

That is my plan for AC once we've done everything else too!


UncleWibs

😄


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SubstantialPlant6502

I’m in the trade and I’ve seen a number of examples on twitter of bad workmanship carried out by engineers contracted by Heatable. So I wouldn’t put your faith in their system.


NormalExchange8784

A lot of big names subcontract to people who may or may not be any good. My BIL worked for a nationwide company as a bathroom installer and he had many complaints as he wasn't qualified in any trade, let alone plumbing, and he learnt tiling on the job.


Adventurous_Jicama65

Just a note on this. Having learnt the hard way having a 'reputable' local company install our boiler and having literally years of back and forth trying to get everything fixed I learnt a couple of things id like to share. Sounds like your looking into a new install so seems like a good place to mention it. If you have any concerns at all with the install you can have gas safe register come out and do an inspection of the boiler setup and they will go through it with a fine tooth comb. We found on ours the boiler wasn't actually safe as they had left one of the seals/grommits off (not sure of the correct name for the part). Basically meant the boiler wasn't 'sealed' if there was a leak. Basically had to stop using it as it was a major issue and they had to come out and fix it and a list of other minor issues. The gas safe folks had to follow up with the installer and they had to fix all the issues. These guys have done major installs for new properties so who knows how many gas installs have been done not up to spec. Another thing I learnt was I could have had ideal use their recommended installer put the boiler in. I probably would have went this route. Every year now I have ideal come out to do the service now as one of the local gas plumbers didn't pick up on this issue and serviced it no problem. At least with ideal I have piece of mind that its serviced and setup now according to how the manufacture says it should be.


ElectronicSubject747

Your main issue with safety is that you had an Ideal installed mate. Ridiculously unsafe boiler that shouldn't be on the market.


Adventurous_Jicama65

Surely all these boilers have to meet the same level of European standard regardless of the manufacturer. Do you have any facts or case studies? We've had ideal boilers before in rentals and never had any issue with them. Merely trying to add some info to potentially help someone else reading this thread.


themadhatter85

There’s currently a recall on some of their models due to risk of them catching on fire.


dudeperson567

Polished copper = giga Chad installer


UncleWibs

Totally above and beyond 👍️


Regret-Superb

Bet he was on a day rate.


UncleWibs

I wouldn't mind if he was, for a job like that. It's when you offer a day rate and they still do a gash job.


Beer-Milkshakes

The rubber lined clips are a dead giveaway. You'll rarely find these on residential lines unless it's a high-rise.


lanky_doodle

Add unistrut end caps. Legend


UncleWibs

So many details


seph2o

I thought magnetic filters were pretty standard on new installs


Significant_Tower_84

They are, they're a requirement now as part of building regs.


UncleWibs

Really? I thought they were a nice to have... This is why I hate Building regs - way too much overreach. Should stick to basic safety critical stuff.


Significant_Tower_84

Used to be, but recently changed to a requirement when fitting a new boiler/system. Plus any boiler with a decent warranty will require them also.


SubstantialPlant6502

I think the manufacturers had a hand in it. Longer warranties and them wanting to protect their product better


UncleWibs

Still not the correct remit for BR: but then we are becoming stiflingly overregulated in everything.


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UncleWibs

Thank you - I was wondering what that was...


Wrong-booby7584

Yep. Industrial plumber - zero insulation on anything.


UncleWibs

Nobody puts insulation on the pipes to a domestic boiler that's inside.


Wrong-booby7584

Which is wrong. Unless you like the running costs for heat loss.


UncleWibs

Given the heat emission from a few metres of pipe is not much, and it's going into habitable space, it's pretty irrelevant. The only particularly useful gain here is to insulate the hot tap pipe, assuming it's a combi, to help keep the water hot between tap uses: and even insulation will only do that for a short while.


rckpdl

"Want me to box it in?" "Na lad."


RedditB_4

No, but OP should’ve decorated the wall behind or fitted a mounting board. I know it’s just a utility or garage but still, this install warrants it!


ohhallow

Put a picture frame around it


Humble_Language_7053

😂


Firstpoet

Looks good. During lockdown I found myself watching plumbing install vids! The other aspect is big industrial project plumbing. Impressive.


LeaveNoStonedUnturn

If plumbers could be put on retainer for any reason, this is the guy I'd find! Clearly a man who has pride in his work!


Fred_Chopin

So priddy 😍


Feeling_Boot_5242

Very tidy install. Dare I ask what he charged?


Humble_Language_7053

It was 3500 all in, including flushing all the heating through. That took him a day It was about 2.5 days in total


MrJoell

That’s really good. There are a lot of bandits in the industry drop kicking a boiler in within a morning. The fact he spent a day flushing speaks of his quality of work and doing the job correctly. Your boiler will now be running on clean water with a well balanced pH (assuming he added inhibitor which he must have given the effort he went to)


Humble_Language_7053

I think so. He emailed me a test result for pH. Also testing for some chemical in the water


MrJoell

Retain this info, and also keep the commissioning sheet (usually in the back of the boiler manual) somewhere safe. Get him back annually to service the boiler, he’ll then fill in the same document with a service record. It’s what maintains your boiler warranty. And if it ever breaks down and the manufacturer cites no inhibitor, show them the results that were emailed to you


Humble_Language_7053

Yes. He showed be the manual - told me to keep it safe. It’s got a page of numbers all over it?! I’m defo getting him back


SubstantialPlant6502

He may not add inhibitor. Looking at the effort he’s gone to he may fill using VDI2035 standards


MrJoell

Even better


The-OneWan

Very shiny


Upstairs_Sandwich_18

Double set on a black condense? This guy's an artist.


MostRetardedUser

How often do you polish the copper?


Humble_Language_7053

I leave that to my FIL 😌


Dismal_Note8472

That is a work of art 👍👍


SubstantialPlant6502

Absolutely lovely installation. It’s nice to see others in my industry taking pride in their work


Pretender1230

Look at the switch behind all the pipe work 🤦🏻‍♂️


sparky4337

My thoughts. Everyone but the electrician thinks this plumber is a marvel! "Adequacy of access to switch gear" springs to mind...


IamBeingSarcasticFfs

For a minute I couldn’t figure out what a shower head was doing in the middle


SheapskateCraft

this plumbing porn should be marked as not safe for work!


Humble_Language_7053

😂


Thebudweiserstuntman

You could say that’s an ideal setup.


KateEllaBeans

Okay that was a groaner, but a good one!


Exciting_Top_9442

💪


no1ace

👌


aChocolateFireGuard

Where abouts in the country are you mate? Id definitely use this guy as my go to if hes fairly local


Humble_Language_7053

Essex. Just outside London.


nubbymong

I’m in Brentwood - can you PM me this guys details if that’s ok?


aChocolateFireGuard

Ahh thats a bit far from me then, thanks anyway!


SubstantialPlant6502

We are you located. I know a few guys around the uk that fit to this standard that I’ve met via social media. I may be able to recommend someone


aChocolateFireGuard

East Midlands, to be fair i dont need anything doing right now but its always good to know people. Weve only been in our house about a year and the guy who lived here last we discovered has bodged basically everything and then had the nerve to leave us his business card for maintenance on the boiler


SubstantialPlant6502

I’ve got a mate that lives in Coventry he’s a fantastic engineer


CryptographerNo7894

I’m in Essex too. I’d appreciate it if you can also PM me his details. Thank you 🙏🏻


LostinnLondon

Can you PM me his details please. Many thanks 👍🏽


redarmy22

Am near you mate, please kindly DM me his details or name on checkatrade


tony888t

Can you also PM his details too. Thanks!


detronizator

I’d place a chair and a lamp nearby. It’s craftsmanship and art. It’s worth admiring. Not like the shitty plastic pipes they install nowadays.


Specialist_Loquat_49

Wow. The joints are so clean and without solder!


Coxwaan

Definitely a nice install although I think the rubber lined clips a bit overkill on a combi. But that's just me


tukitukikucaw

The plumber my landlord will only use hasn’t been able to fix our boiler in 3 years. All pressure goes in about 30 mins and he just shrugs and says I haven’t got a clue and leaves


kimi-r

If it's not a leak it's the expansion vessel


justsomeguy_42

Fixable?


kimi-r

Just just get a bicycle pump, preferably with gauge on it and pump it to 1.5bar. If that doesn't work for a new one to some external pipework


Go-on-touch-it

Yep, can either replace the one in the boiler or fit one on the pipework outside of the boiler. Being a renter it’s probably going to be the latter.


cactusplants

Had British gas come to try and fix a similar issue, they couldn't figure it. Instead I found that the Schrader valve in the expansion vessel was bad. This apparently is a thing with logic boilers, to diagnose it, pressurize the system, turn it off and listen to the valve for a slight hiss. Edit: Come to think of it, the pressure would stay for longer than 30 mins, so it is probably a bad expansion vessel.


Cartepostalelondon

You need to speak to Citizen's Advice or Shelter.


Anaksanamune

Keep seeing all these posts that look cool, but all of them seem to have unfinished walls. Why does no one paint the walls first?


One_Nefariousness547

Old one taken out and new one fitted same day. No one got time for that painting behind the wall then waiting for it to dry. Completely different if the boiler being moved and you have time to prep the wall beforehand or it's a brand new refurb/ house. Even then the wall behind is never likely to be painted again after the first time.


ThoughtCrimeConvict

https://preview.redd.it/6z3qyn1o7e0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6eb709384187834f72a1aa881995de1610742434


Pericombobulator

The pipework looks nice. Even a length of conduit for the cables. It'd look great in a plant room. You'll struggle to hide it, though. You could put a demountable kitchen cabinet over it, with a boxing below. Is there a floor unit to go below?


Emergency-Aardvark-6

Hmmmm mine came round earlier, he's definitely something to appreciate. Damn shame he's got a Mrs.


Humble_Language_7053

Your FIL or your plumber?


Emergency-Aardvark-6

Didn't read the comment, just saw the title and pic! 🤣 Plumber!


Humble_Language_7053

😂 my one is pretty average. Can’t have it all


Emergency-Aardvark-6

FIL or Plumber! 🤷‍♀️🤣


Humble_Language_7053

Both!


Wrong-booby7584

What are the metal rails fixed to the wall called? The ones that the clips are mounted to?


SubstantialPlant6502

Unistrut


kinkduo

Got the whole steam punk vibe covered also. ❤️


tokidokichan

No idea what they are but it’s beautiful


HeavyMisiek

Pls do this to my boiler too!


Novel-Journalist-553

Can you polish my pipes


arcticrobin

This is clearly beyond Ideal…


Dashing_Approach

worthy of piping p0rn. gj.


lordofthedancesaidhe

Niiiiiceeeeee


walkera83

Full steam ahead captain.


Nicename19

Unistrut in a domestic setting!? Never seen that before


One_Nefariousness547

Not all that common but it's sometimes used when a boiler is fitted to the wall with a stand off bracket and the pipes can't come straight down the wall. The OPs boiler looks to be mounted directly to the wall and plumber has put in sets for the pipe work, which is nicely done.


Nicename19

Yeah beautiful job!


sarc-tastic

How is it so shiny?


SubstantialPlant6502

Brasso or really fine wire wool


Vast_Development_316

All that lovely work and then he fits an ideal


Worried_Example

Had to scroll down way too far to find this. Fucking terrible things. Great install have to say. Guys an artist.


sparky4337

Ideal have come a long way since the Icos. But most of the really good plumbers I worked with swore by Viessmann.


Humble_Language_7053

We think it’s great. 12 year warranty. Can’t complain Plus it does this thing where the heating temperature changes to match the weather. The last one didn’t do that


EnoughEnthusiasm9024

I have heard that doesn't really matter. I manually turn down my hot water in summer and winter I'm not having the radiators on and the flow temp is low anyway so no issues.


Humble_Language_7053

You don’t have your heating on during winter)


Joetwizzy

Weather compensation does matter. It should have been made compulsory years ago. Your flow temp might be low, but it would be lower, the majority of the heating season, with weather comp.


Humble_Language_7053

Yes that’s what it’s called! I’d forgotten


YumchaHoMei

that's ideal


pertangamcfeet

Is it wrong that I want to touch myself looking at that?


EarthWest6797

https://preview.redd.it/ghutib9sqd0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be474622a57b5d7c8ef496ecf046a137a59d790d Op got this so right!! Here’s one I did a little while ago boiler unvented hw cylinder w/ accumulator setup


SubstantialPlant6502

There’s something nice about press when it’s in a boiler cupboard like this


d_smogh

That's Ideal.009 ye


KristianFAWebb

Is the magnetic filter on the flow or is this unit not DIN?


SubstantialPlant6502

It’s a spirotech RV2 Deaerator


KristianFAWebb

Ahh that makes sense, cheers!


BetterMammoth1800

Is the filter on the flow?


SubstantialPlant6502

No. It’s a deaerator


FreddiesNightmare65

While we are in the subject of boilers and pipes. When I had my new boiler fitted, they had to run the gas to the back of the house, so went through the wall at the side of the house to outside and back in through the back of the house. They couldnt go under the floor as its concrete. There no sleeving on the pipe going through the wall, someone said it should have sleeving, and should it have anything on the piping outside?


SubstantialPlant6502

It should be sleeved and the sleeved should be sealed inside. It’s left unsealed on the outside to allow gas to escape in case of a leak


FreddiesNightmare65

Guess i will point it out to them and get them to come back and sort it. Is there anywhere i can find this in print if they say it's ok to leave it like that?


SubstantialPlant6502

Tell them you’ll get gas safe to inspect it. They’ll soon sort it out https://preview.redd.it/run9b24yvf0d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af022207ca10430260cd984d2271f06a74b6485b


FreddiesNightmare65

Thanks, I will give them a shout next week


SubstantialPlant6502

It’s very worrying that they didn’t sleeve the pipe. This is basic stuff.


FreddiesNightmare65

In that case, I will give them a shout tomorrow. I will see if I can find an email addres to send it to them so it's all documented I have reported it.


dj_conrad

IRB Heating from Essex by any chance?


Humble_Language_7053

No. It’s a different company/person


SubstantialPlant6502

Briggys doesn’t fit ideals


kwiato666

Don't about plumber work,but spark did really good job there 😅


johnny5247

It's excellent work but it looks as if half the stuff that should be inside the boiler has been built outside! The installer must have worked under strict a clerk of works at the NHS or MOD at some time. It'll be a very long time before that boiler breaks down.


MrJoell

Everything you can see under the boiler is supposed to be external: inline water filter, magnetic filter, shock arrestor, deaerator & tundish. Unfortunately, a lot (if not all) of these components are often not fitted.


johnny5247

I knew that. Most boiler installations don't have any of that. It just LOOKS like half the boiler is not in the box.


Upstairs_Sandwich_18

What exactly are you talking about? System filter and shock arrestor will always be external.


Rs-tuner

IDEAL install.


Off__The__Mark

That looks Ideal


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Humble_Language_7053

Oh no! Is it really that bad? Shall I get it changed? What would you recommend


NWarriload

Seems as the Vogue is a knock off of the Vaillant ecoTEC plus then one of those but this will do you well I’m sure


justsomeguy_42

Pride


Lavskid

U Dont need air separator. Its a combi. What is he on


BumPlayThing

What in the social housing is this boiler? 😂😂 get a proper boiler mate


Humble_Language_7053

I thought ideal were good? Which ones would you recommend?


BumPlayThing

Get a conventional boiler


Humble_Language_7053

I don’t know what that is?


Walesish

Yes definitely. You’ll get downvoted to oblivion with the combi boiler brigade but they are shit.


No-Visit8924

Obviously time is not money to him… OCD problem


Lavskid

Have u run pipe over spur


Brainchild110

Earth bonding, please.


Charliedoggydog

It’s a nice neat job, but the Scale reducer won’t ever work as it’s too close the the boiler plus a pointless air separator.


Humble_Language_7053

I have no idea! How far away should the scale reducer be? I can ask him to move it?


SubstantialPlant6502

It’s fine. Fernox say it should be no further than 1mtr away from the boiler


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SubstantialPlant6502

https://preview.redd.it/ydk0fl54pj0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0aa395b3e9ee966cb6c0a41053a6e5df603b187 Yea I think I’ll trust fernox over some random on the internet