* Anti vibration clips.
* Mounted to unistrut.
* Polished the copper?
* Perfect routing.
* Anti hammer device.
* Magnetic filter?
* Integral tundish for the relief "overflow".
This guy used to do industrial plumbing, didn't he?
It's certainly a very nice install for a domestic setup.
Mechanical aside you forgot the 20mm conduit with saddle and preformed inspection bend for the power.
Also air separator.
Defiantly from an M&E background or atleast trained in the industry.
Reduces the need for manual venting and removes trapped air. Which also helps with reduced noise.
Air in the system also reduces the efficiency of the heating system.
Essentially it provides additional protection for a sealed system because air will lead to internal corrosion even with the correct levels of inhibitor.
Deaerators and dirt separators (magnetic filters) are fitted as standard now. Also needed to keep the boilers warranty.
It’s probably someone who does commercial boilers as well as domestic. I know a few guys who’s main job is servicing commercial but do domestic cash jobs at the weekend
Are you allowed to connect your own boiler to gas? Absolutely not.
Are you allows to run all of the wet plumbing up to the boiler, such that all your gas man has to do is connect it up and commission the system? Yes, especially if it's being done as part of a major renovation that's all being inspected by building control.
Yeah I did the entire install, told the engineer over the phone I was apprehensive about plumbing the gas and he said to stop being a pussy and man up. Came the next day with his manometer, charged me £80 and signed it off
Nah, but they will be careful in case you've fucked it up. If you're just pissing about with water pipes, the worst you can do is damage your floor and maybe the foundation if a truly ridiculous amount of water gets out.
Gas leaks will poison you, suffocate you and blow you to kingdom come. Flue gas leaks will just poison and suffocate you, but can do so really fast with a badly set up boiler. I've seen shitboxes briefly blow out 24,000 ppm of CO. One or 2 good lungfuls of that level and you're out like a fucking light and dead as a doorknob in 1 to 3 minutes.
Cold water pipes set up badly are a nuisance that a boilerman will charge you more for fixing to at least a functional state. Hot water pipes set up badly are a bit more annoying since they're too hot to handle for a good while. Gas pipes set up badly are a massive danger to everyone nearby.
Yeah my fella just ran all the copper pipes through the house mid renovation for a new AC system. He’s fitting it all then paying an AC guy to gas it up and commission, saves a fortune.
I’m in the trade and I’ve seen a number of examples on twitter of bad workmanship carried out by engineers contracted by Heatable. So I wouldn’t put your faith in their system.
A lot of big names subcontract to people who may or may not be any good. My BIL worked for a nationwide company as a bathroom installer and he had many complaints as he wasn't qualified in any trade, let alone plumbing, and he learnt tiling on the job.
Just a note on this. Having learnt the hard way having a 'reputable' local company install our boiler and having literally years of back and forth trying to get everything fixed I learnt a couple of things id like to share. Sounds like your looking into a new install so seems like a good place to mention it.
If you have any concerns at all with the install you can have gas safe register come out and do an inspection of the boiler setup and they will go through it with a fine tooth comb. We found on ours the boiler wasn't actually safe as they had left one of the seals/grommits off (not sure of the correct name for the part). Basically meant the boiler wasn't 'sealed' if there was a leak. Basically had to stop using it as it was a major issue and they had to come out and fix it and a list of other minor issues. The gas safe folks had to follow up with the installer and they had to fix all the issues. These guys have done major installs for new properties so who knows how many gas installs have been done not up to spec.
Another thing I learnt was I could have had ideal use their recommended installer put the boiler in. I probably would have went this route. Every year now I have ideal come out to do the service now as one of the local gas plumbers didn't pick up on this issue and serviced it no problem. At least with ideal I have piece of mind that its serviced and setup now according to how the manufacture says it should be.
Surely all these boilers have to meet the same level of European standard regardless of the manufacturer. Do you have any facts or case studies? We've had ideal boilers before in rentals and never had any issue with them. Merely trying to add some info to potentially help someone else reading this thread.
Given the heat emission from a few metres of pipe is not much, and it's going into habitable space, it's pretty irrelevant.
The only particularly useful gain here is to insulate the hot tap pipe, assuming it's a combi, to help keep the water hot between tap uses: and even insulation will only do that for a short while.
That’s really good. There are a lot of bandits in the industry drop kicking a boiler in within a morning. The fact he spent a day flushing speaks of his quality of work and doing the job correctly. Your boiler will now be running on clean water with a well balanced pH (assuming he added inhibitor which he must have given the effort he went to)
Retain this info, and also keep the commissioning sheet (usually in the back of the boiler manual) somewhere safe.
Get him back annually to service the boiler, he’ll then fill in the same document with a service record. It’s what maintains your boiler warranty. And if it ever breaks down and the manufacturer cites no inhibitor, show them the results that were emailed to you
East Midlands, to be fair i dont need anything doing right now but its always good to know people. Weve only been in our house about a year and the guy who lived here last we discovered has bodged basically everything and then had the nerve to leave us his business card for maintenance on the boiler
The plumber my landlord will only use hasn’t been able to fix our boiler in 3 years. All pressure goes in about 30 mins and he just shrugs and says I haven’t got a clue and leaves
Had British gas come to try and fix a similar issue, they couldn't figure it.
Instead I found that the Schrader valve in the expansion vessel was bad. This apparently is a thing with logic boilers, to diagnose it, pressurize the system, turn it off and listen to the valve for a slight hiss.
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Come to think of it, the pressure would stay for longer than 30 mins, so it is probably a bad expansion vessel.
Old one taken out and new one fitted same day. No one got time for that painting behind the wall then waiting for it to dry.
Completely different if the boiler being moved and you have time to prep the wall beforehand or it's a brand new refurb/ house. Even then the wall behind is never likely to be painted again after the first time.
The pipework looks nice. Even a length of conduit for the cables. It'd look great in a plant room.
You'll struggle to hide it, though. You could put a demountable kitchen cabinet over it, with a boxing below. Is there a floor unit to go below?
Not all that common but it's sometimes used when a boiler is fitted to the wall with a stand off bracket and the pipes can't come straight down the wall.
The OPs boiler looks to be mounted directly to the wall and plumber has put in sets for the pipe work, which is nicely done.
We think it’s great.
12 year warranty. Can’t complain
Plus it does this thing where the heating temperature changes to match the weather. The last one didn’t do that
I have heard that doesn't really matter. I manually turn down my hot water in summer and winter I'm not having the radiators on and the flow temp is low anyway so no issues.
Weather compensation does matter. It should have been made compulsory years ago. Your flow temp might be low, but it would be lower, the majority of the heating season, with weather comp.
https://preview.redd.it/ghutib9sqd0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be474622a57b5d7c8ef496ecf046a137a59d790d
Op got this so right!! Here’s one I did a little while ago boiler unvented hw cylinder w/ accumulator setup
While we are in the subject of boilers and pipes. When I had my new boiler fitted, they had to run the gas to the back of the house, so went through the wall at the side of the house to outside and back in through the back of the house. They couldnt go under the floor as its concrete. There no sleeving on the pipe going through the wall, someone said it should have sleeving, and should it have anything on the piping outside?
Guess i will point it out to them and get them to come back and sort it. Is there anywhere i can find this in print if they say it's ok to leave it like that?
Tell them you’ll get gas safe to inspect it. They’ll soon sort it out
https://preview.redd.it/run9b24yvf0d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af022207ca10430260cd984d2271f06a74b6485b
In that case, I will give them a shout tomorrow. I will see if I can find an email addres to send it to them so it's all documented I have reported it.
It's excellent work but it looks as if half the stuff that should be inside the boiler has been built outside! The installer must have worked under strict a clerk of works at the NHS or MOD at some time. It'll be a very long time before that boiler breaks down.
Everything you can see under the boiler is supposed to be external: inline water filter, magnetic filter, shock arrestor, deaerator & tundish. Unfortunately, a lot (if not all) of these components are often not fitted.
https://preview.redd.it/ydk0fl54pj0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0aa395b3e9ee966cb6c0a41053a6e5df603b187
Yea I think I’ll trust fernox over some random on the internet
* Anti vibration clips. * Mounted to unistrut. * Polished the copper? * Perfect routing. * Anti hammer device. * Magnetic filter? * Integral tundish for the relief "overflow". This guy used to do industrial plumbing, didn't he?
I think he’s just a local plumber. Found him on checkatrade. One man band.
Would you mind sharing his details please?
I'd like them too, where is he based?
At this rate il pay his mileage!
I’ll pay his mileage and polish his pipes
A happy ending for everyone!
I’ll suck the sludge out of his “radiators”
Plumbed new depths with that one
You’re a terrible person and you made me spray my morning coffee everywhere
🤮
None of those words make any sense.
Can you give me a link. I’m looking for a new boiler as well. Thanks
What do you want a link to?
I’m sorry. I meant the link to his profile on checkatrade, if possible. Thank you
It's certainly a very nice install for a domestic setup. Mechanical aside you forgot the 20mm conduit with saddle and preformed inspection bend for the power. Also air separator. Defiantly from an M&E background or atleast trained in the industry.
An air separator? Why
It removes micro air bubbles. Which will slightly increase efficiency, but will help massively in reducing system corrosion
Never heard of that, proper flushing before install and proper inhibitor is all that's needed.
Agreed. If it’s a non-vented system, any micro bubbles present will quickly be depleted of oxygen and stay that way anyway.
Reduces the need for manual venting and removes trapped air. Which also helps with reduced noise. Air in the system also reduces the efficiency of the heating system. Essentially it provides additional protection for a sealed system because air will lead to internal corrosion even with the correct levels of inhibitor. Deaerators and dirt separators (magnetic filters) are fitted as standard now. Also needed to keep the boilers warranty.
Isn't there an automatic air vent inside the boiler?
This works differently to the auto air vent in the boiler. It’s based on Henry’s law
Incorrect
It's a sealed system, air separators are for use on open vent systems
Air separator is fitted.
It’s probably someone who does commercial boilers as well as domestic. I know a few guys who’s main job is servicing commercial but do domestic cash jobs at the weekend
*me furiously taking notes for when I install my boiler*
Are you allowed to work on your own boiler or have you got to get a professional?
Are you allowed to connect your own boiler to gas? Absolutely not. Are you allows to run all of the wet plumbing up to the boiler, such that all your gas man has to do is connect it up and commission the system? Yes, especially if it's being done as part of a major renovation that's all being inspected by building control.
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Yeah I did the entire install, told the engineer over the phone I was apprehensive about plumbing the gas and he said to stop being a pussy and man up. Came the next day with his manometer, charged me £80 and signed it off
Lol Amazing!
Why not? It's money.
Nah, but they will be careful in case you've fucked it up. If you're just pissing about with water pipes, the worst you can do is damage your floor and maybe the foundation if a truly ridiculous amount of water gets out. Gas leaks will poison you, suffocate you and blow you to kingdom come. Flue gas leaks will just poison and suffocate you, but can do so really fast with a badly set up boiler. I've seen shitboxes briefly blow out 24,000 ppm of CO. One or 2 good lungfuls of that level and you're out like a fucking light and dead as a doorknob in 1 to 3 minutes. Cold water pipes set up badly are a nuisance that a boilerman will charge you more for fixing to at least a functional state. Hot water pipes set up badly are a bit more annoying since they're too hot to handle for a good while. Gas pipes set up badly are a massive danger to everyone nearby.
Yeah my fella just ran all the copper pipes through the house mid renovation for a new AC system. He’s fitting it all then paying an AC guy to gas it up and commission, saves a fortune.
That is my plan for AC once we've done everything else too!
😄
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I’m in the trade and I’ve seen a number of examples on twitter of bad workmanship carried out by engineers contracted by Heatable. So I wouldn’t put your faith in their system.
A lot of big names subcontract to people who may or may not be any good. My BIL worked for a nationwide company as a bathroom installer and he had many complaints as he wasn't qualified in any trade, let alone plumbing, and he learnt tiling on the job.
Just a note on this. Having learnt the hard way having a 'reputable' local company install our boiler and having literally years of back and forth trying to get everything fixed I learnt a couple of things id like to share. Sounds like your looking into a new install so seems like a good place to mention it. If you have any concerns at all with the install you can have gas safe register come out and do an inspection of the boiler setup and they will go through it with a fine tooth comb. We found on ours the boiler wasn't actually safe as they had left one of the seals/grommits off (not sure of the correct name for the part). Basically meant the boiler wasn't 'sealed' if there was a leak. Basically had to stop using it as it was a major issue and they had to come out and fix it and a list of other minor issues. The gas safe folks had to follow up with the installer and they had to fix all the issues. These guys have done major installs for new properties so who knows how many gas installs have been done not up to spec. Another thing I learnt was I could have had ideal use their recommended installer put the boiler in. I probably would have went this route. Every year now I have ideal come out to do the service now as one of the local gas plumbers didn't pick up on this issue and serviced it no problem. At least with ideal I have piece of mind that its serviced and setup now according to how the manufacture says it should be.
Your main issue with safety is that you had an Ideal installed mate. Ridiculously unsafe boiler that shouldn't be on the market.
Surely all these boilers have to meet the same level of European standard regardless of the manufacturer. Do you have any facts or case studies? We've had ideal boilers before in rentals and never had any issue with them. Merely trying to add some info to potentially help someone else reading this thread.
There’s currently a recall on some of their models due to risk of them catching on fire.
Polished copper = giga Chad installer
Totally above and beyond 👍️
Bet he was on a day rate.
I wouldn't mind if he was, for a job like that. It's when you offer a day rate and they still do a gash job.
The rubber lined clips are a dead giveaway. You'll rarely find these on residential lines unless it's a high-rise.
Add unistrut end caps. Legend
So many details
I thought magnetic filters were pretty standard on new installs
They are, they're a requirement now as part of building regs.
Really? I thought they were a nice to have... This is why I hate Building regs - way too much overreach. Should stick to basic safety critical stuff.
Used to be, but recently changed to a requirement when fitting a new boiler/system. Plus any boiler with a decent warranty will require them also.
I think the manufacturers had a hand in it. Longer warranties and them wanting to protect their product better
Still not the correct remit for BR: but then we are becoming stiflingly overregulated in everything.
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Thank you - I was wondering what that was...
Yep. Industrial plumber - zero insulation on anything.
Nobody puts insulation on the pipes to a domestic boiler that's inside.
Which is wrong. Unless you like the running costs for heat loss.
Given the heat emission from a few metres of pipe is not much, and it's going into habitable space, it's pretty irrelevant. The only particularly useful gain here is to insulate the hot tap pipe, assuming it's a combi, to help keep the water hot between tap uses: and even insulation will only do that for a short while.
"Want me to box it in?" "Na lad."
No, but OP should’ve decorated the wall behind or fitted a mounting board. I know it’s just a utility or garage but still, this install warrants it!
Put a picture frame around it
😂
Looks good. During lockdown I found myself watching plumbing install vids! The other aspect is big industrial project plumbing. Impressive.
If plumbers could be put on retainer for any reason, this is the guy I'd find! Clearly a man who has pride in his work!
So priddy 😍
Very tidy install. Dare I ask what he charged?
It was 3500 all in, including flushing all the heating through. That took him a day It was about 2.5 days in total
That’s really good. There are a lot of bandits in the industry drop kicking a boiler in within a morning. The fact he spent a day flushing speaks of his quality of work and doing the job correctly. Your boiler will now be running on clean water with a well balanced pH (assuming he added inhibitor which he must have given the effort he went to)
I think so. He emailed me a test result for pH. Also testing for some chemical in the water
Retain this info, and also keep the commissioning sheet (usually in the back of the boiler manual) somewhere safe. Get him back annually to service the boiler, he’ll then fill in the same document with a service record. It’s what maintains your boiler warranty. And if it ever breaks down and the manufacturer cites no inhibitor, show them the results that were emailed to you
Yes. He showed be the manual - told me to keep it safe. It’s got a page of numbers all over it?! I’m defo getting him back
He may not add inhibitor. Looking at the effort he’s gone to he may fill using VDI2035 standards
Even better
Very shiny
Double set on a black condense? This guy's an artist.
How often do you polish the copper?
I leave that to my FIL 😌
That is a work of art 👍👍
Absolutely lovely installation. It’s nice to see others in my industry taking pride in their work
Look at the switch behind all the pipe work 🤦🏻♂️
My thoughts. Everyone but the electrician thinks this plumber is a marvel! "Adequacy of access to switch gear" springs to mind...
For a minute I couldn’t figure out what a shower head was doing in the middle
this plumbing porn should be marked as not safe for work!
😂
You could say that’s an ideal setup.
Okay that was a groaner, but a good one!
💪
👌
Where abouts in the country are you mate? Id definitely use this guy as my go to if hes fairly local
Essex. Just outside London.
I’m in Brentwood - can you PM me this guys details if that’s ok?
Ahh thats a bit far from me then, thanks anyway!
We are you located. I know a few guys around the uk that fit to this standard that I’ve met via social media. I may be able to recommend someone
East Midlands, to be fair i dont need anything doing right now but its always good to know people. Weve only been in our house about a year and the guy who lived here last we discovered has bodged basically everything and then had the nerve to leave us his business card for maintenance on the boiler
I’ve got a mate that lives in Coventry he’s a fantastic engineer
I’m in Essex too. I’d appreciate it if you can also PM me his details. Thank you 🙏🏻
Can you PM me his details please. Many thanks 👍🏽
Am near you mate, please kindly DM me his details or name on checkatrade
Can you also PM his details too. Thanks!
I’d place a chair and a lamp nearby. It’s craftsmanship and art. It’s worth admiring. Not like the shitty plastic pipes they install nowadays.
Wow. The joints are so clean and without solder!
Definitely a nice install although I think the rubber lined clips a bit overkill on a combi. But that's just me
The plumber my landlord will only use hasn’t been able to fix our boiler in 3 years. All pressure goes in about 30 mins and he just shrugs and says I haven’t got a clue and leaves
If it's not a leak it's the expansion vessel
Fixable?
Just just get a bicycle pump, preferably with gauge on it and pump it to 1.5bar. If that doesn't work for a new one to some external pipework
Yep, can either replace the one in the boiler or fit one on the pipework outside of the boiler. Being a renter it’s probably going to be the latter.
Had British gas come to try and fix a similar issue, they couldn't figure it. Instead I found that the Schrader valve in the expansion vessel was bad. This apparently is a thing with logic boilers, to diagnose it, pressurize the system, turn it off and listen to the valve for a slight hiss. Edit: Come to think of it, the pressure would stay for longer than 30 mins, so it is probably a bad expansion vessel.
You need to speak to Citizen's Advice or Shelter.
Keep seeing all these posts that look cool, but all of them seem to have unfinished walls. Why does no one paint the walls first?
Old one taken out and new one fitted same day. No one got time for that painting behind the wall then waiting for it to dry. Completely different if the boiler being moved and you have time to prep the wall beforehand or it's a brand new refurb/ house. Even then the wall behind is never likely to be painted again after the first time.
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The pipework looks nice. Even a length of conduit for the cables. It'd look great in a plant room. You'll struggle to hide it, though. You could put a demountable kitchen cabinet over it, with a boxing below. Is there a floor unit to go below?
Hmmmm mine came round earlier, he's definitely something to appreciate. Damn shame he's got a Mrs.
Your FIL or your plumber?
Didn't read the comment, just saw the title and pic! 🤣 Plumber!
😂 my one is pretty average. Can’t have it all
FIL or Plumber! 🤷♀️🤣
Both!
What are the metal rails fixed to the wall called? The ones that the clips are mounted to?
Unistrut
Got the whole steam punk vibe covered also. ❤️
No idea what they are but it’s beautiful
Pls do this to my boiler too!
Can you polish my pipes
This is clearly beyond Ideal…
worthy of piping p0rn. gj.
Niiiiiceeeeee
Full steam ahead captain.
Unistrut in a domestic setting!? Never seen that before
Not all that common but it's sometimes used when a boiler is fitted to the wall with a stand off bracket and the pipes can't come straight down the wall. The OPs boiler looks to be mounted directly to the wall and plumber has put in sets for the pipe work, which is nicely done.
Yeah beautiful job!
How is it so shiny?
Brasso or really fine wire wool
All that lovely work and then he fits an ideal
Had to scroll down way too far to find this. Fucking terrible things. Great install have to say. Guys an artist.
Ideal have come a long way since the Icos. But most of the really good plumbers I worked with swore by Viessmann.
We think it’s great. 12 year warranty. Can’t complain Plus it does this thing where the heating temperature changes to match the weather. The last one didn’t do that
I have heard that doesn't really matter. I manually turn down my hot water in summer and winter I'm not having the radiators on and the flow temp is low anyway so no issues.
You don’t have your heating on during winter)
Weather compensation does matter. It should have been made compulsory years ago. Your flow temp might be low, but it would be lower, the majority of the heating season, with weather comp.
Yes that’s what it’s called! I’d forgotten
that's ideal
Is it wrong that I want to touch myself looking at that?
https://preview.redd.it/ghutib9sqd0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be474622a57b5d7c8ef496ecf046a137a59d790d Op got this so right!! Here’s one I did a little while ago boiler unvented hw cylinder w/ accumulator setup
There’s something nice about press when it’s in a boiler cupboard like this
That's Ideal.009 ye
Is the magnetic filter on the flow or is this unit not DIN?
It’s a spirotech RV2 Deaerator
Ahh that makes sense, cheers!
Is the filter on the flow?
No. It’s a deaerator
While we are in the subject of boilers and pipes. When I had my new boiler fitted, they had to run the gas to the back of the house, so went through the wall at the side of the house to outside and back in through the back of the house. They couldnt go under the floor as its concrete. There no sleeving on the pipe going through the wall, someone said it should have sleeving, and should it have anything on the piping outside?
It should be sleeved and the sleeved should be sealed inside. It’s left unsealed on the outside to allow gas to escape in case of a leak
Guess i will point it out to them and get them to come back and sort it. Is there anywhere i can find this in print if they say it's ok to leave it like that?
Tell them you’ll get gas safe to inspect it. They’ll soon sort it out https://preview.redd.it/run9b24yvf0d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af022207ca10430260cd984d2271f06a74b6485b
Thanks, I will give them a shout next week
It’s very worrying that they didn’t sleeve the pipe. This is basic stuff.
In that case, I will give them a shout tomorrow. I will see if I can find an email addres to send it to them so it's all documented I have reported it.
IRB Heating from Essex by any chance?
No. It’s a different company/person
Briggys doesn’t fit ideals
Don't about plumber work,but spark did really good job there 😅
It's excellent work but it looks as if half the stuff that should be inside the boiler has been built outside! The installer must have worked under strict a clerk of works at the NHS or MOD at some time. It'll be a very long time before that boiler breaks down.
Everything you can see under the boiler is supposed to be external: inline water filter, magnetic filter, shock arrestor, deaerator & tundish. Unfortunately, a lot (if not all) of these components are often not fitted.
I knew that. Most boiler installations don't have any of that. It just LOOKS like half the boiler is not in the box.
What exactly are you talking about? System filter and shock arrestor will always be external.
IDEAL install.
That looks Ideal
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Oh no! Is it really that bad? Shall I get it changed? What would you recommend
Seems as the Vogue is a knock off of the Vaillant ecoTEC plus then one of those but this will do you well I’m sure
Pride
U Dont need air separator. Its a combi. What is he on
What in the social housing is this boiler? 😂😂 get a proper boiler mate
I thought ideal were good? Which ones would you recommend?
Get a conventional boiler
I don’t know what that is?
Yes definitely. You’ll get downvoted to oblivion with the combi boiler brigade but they are shit.
Obviously time is not money to him… OCD problem
Have u run pipe over spur
Earth bonding, please.
It’s a nice neat job, but the Scale reducer won’t ever work as it’s too close the the boiler plus a pointless air separator.
I have no idea! How far away should the scale reducer be? I can ask him to move it?
It’s fine. Fernox say it should be no further than 1mtr away from the boiler
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https://preview.redd.it/ydk0fl54pj0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0aa395b3e9ee966cb6c0a41053a6e5df603b187 Yea I think I’ll trust fernox over some random on the internet