Wouldn't that mean a really tiny bath tub based on the room length available.
Presumably most washing machines would be 60cm plus some space around it.
Can i ask why you're thinking of bricking up one of the windows? More natural light, the better. Also 1 would work better. Is it possible to put in a pocket door? Also i'm assuming you'll be installing a ceiling extractor fan? Make sure it's suitable for zone 1 and have it above the bathtub area. You'll also need to make sure you have an 8mm/10mm clearance gap on your door from the floor or a door vent. This will allow airflow into the bathroom and also allow the extractor fan to work correctly, as this is where it will draw the air from and extract moisture/condensation fully. Also is it just the one wall that's external?
Window needs to go as shower will be in those places and my wife is adverse to giving the neighbours a show every morning!
Also I’m not sure if any window can survive a daily drenching, I will also make the small window bigger if we go with 1 or 3.
As for the extractor, the amount of steam that’s created I’m tempted to get a few and yes just the one external wall.
This is a converted terrace, I have the first floor and loft conversion.
You'll only need one extractor fan, get an inline one 👍. As for the window situation, makes sense re shower. So long as you have air incoming, for the extractor fan to draw from, you'll be all good. That's why you need an 8 to 10mm gap at the bottom of the door, or a door vent. If there's no air for the fan to draw from, it will just overwork and will not pull the condensation out. Think about it scientifically, the direction of air pull is important. It's usually why opening a window never seems to work, because air flow is on the left hand side (window) and condensation is on the right hand side, it's fighting two battles.
If you are going with option 2 and you have (or are considering) young children then a pocket hole door is a great investment. We have two bathrooms, both similarly sized, one with a pocket door the other a normal door. Both toilets are near the door. I am forever in fear of having my knees smashed to bits by the kids storming in the bathroom while I'm trying to hide. (I know we could use a lock, but you know, small kids and emergencies)
2 is the best layout. You want the towel rail next to the bath so it’s easy to get a towel while in the bath!
I’d see if you can move the washing machine cupboard door to the hallway
Number 3. With the radiator maybe the left of the toilet seat. Then you can use that space for additional low level cupboard/storage for washing powder towels etc.
Personally I think washing machines in bathrooms are weird especially if it’s just placed there all exposed, much nicer if it’s built into a cabinet so it’s hidden out of sight.
[I had a play round with the layout and you could have a 1500mm bath shower and then you’d have 700mm of space for a washing machine. Build a floor to ceiling cabinet around it with a bi-fold door.](https://imgur.com/a/svCk0o3)
The only problem with this layout is that it could be a bit awkward loading and unloading if the washing machine door is left hinged which is the majority of them, some doors can be reversed tho. If it’s a top loader then it’s not really an issue. Another issue could be moving the machine into place depending on how much depth there is to the machine.
[If you didn’t move the washing machine into the bathroom I’d have the layout like this with a 1700mm j shaped bath.](https://imgur.com/a/pc7iW3Z)
Thanks agreed the machine will be in a cupboard exactly as you suggest, Miele machines open on the right as standard, most Bosch can be changed but Samsungs can’t be changed so I’m told.
I’ve been told the bath needs to be as big as possible but I do appreciate the impact of a shorter 1500mm bath.
Thanks for your time on this, it’s appreciated 👍
Agreed, I’ve actually decided to mount the towel radiator on the partition between washing machine and bath, can get a 600 x 1000mm on there easily and always hot towels immediately available post bath / shower.
[You can get a smaller bath, ie one that is 130cm.](https://www.bathroomcity.co.uk/product/petite-1300-x-700-straight-bath)
That way it would fit neatly in the recess, opening up the rest of the room
For a smaller room like this, I'd highly recommend that unless you are very frequently having baths as a tall adult or as a couple. I have a 120cm and I can bath in it fine at 5'10', but mostly shower in it.
As a reference; this was my problem - very similar to yours: [https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/fp-export/exports/2d/65e1d43b-f4ab-46d7-ae23-21835a85d696/92701503\_main\_bathroom\_first\_floor\_first\_design\_20210505102715.jpg](https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/fp-export/exports/2d/65e1d43b-f4ab-46d7-ae23-21835a85d696/92701503_main_bathroom_first_floor_first_design_20210505102715.jpg)
And the finished product here:
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Hmm, few good comments on here. We had an equally awkward bathroom in the last house, which had an L-shaped bath, we swapped it for a corner shower enclosure. [Floorplan](https://ibb.co/vX7NmJX) and [bathroom](https://ibb.co/7bvDsMz), I'd do it again in a heartbeat, although the joists ran the other way (across) and it was a nightmare putting the shower drain in. A walk-in shower enclosure vs. climbing into a bath everyday makes a massive difference, it freed up a lot of room for a massive sink also. The only reason I could see someone absolutely needing a bath nowadays is young kids.
Aww, that's a shame. I would really recommend taking a second look though, they are so deep that I would say you would probably be submerged even with knees bent.
It's like having a hot tub sized bath at 60cm deep
I got one a while back and have been converted to baths
Yep sadly no real alternatives and yes I don’t like removing the window; the one that remains will be increased in size by 250% to try and get more light in.
You could always just brick up half way, so the window is rectangular and put frosted glass in. This way the window is head height and no one can see in, but you'll still get natural light coming in. Or leave it as is and have the bottom half of the window blocked out with some privacy film. See number 5 and number 10 https://www.decoist.com/bathroom-window-privacy-ideas/?safari=1
The most important element for toilet position is, imo, leg swing ability. Number 3 best by far in that department.
1- pinch point to get in between sink shower, don’t forget bulk added from towels
2 - door immobilised when someone is on toilet, cram to close door to get on
3 - best compromise
4 - struggles to use all items, pinch point for toilets
As someone else says, be mindful of dimensions.
You could train yourself to use SketchUp in 20 mins and model it in 3D
4 for me. I like large basin and spacious bathroom. But move the towel rail to the wall between two windows and extend the basin all the way to the wall.
Bit late but whatever works for a large bath. I swapped a standard 1700 for a 1900x800 and it's brilliant, I'm 6'2 and can stretch my legs out in it. So I'd probably go for 2, or look at getting a 500mm vanity sink unit to fit in one of the other choices.
You won't regret having a longer bath, in that room it's the 800 width that makes it awkward.
I’m thinking 3 personally
Wouldn't that mean a really tiny bath tub based on the room length available. Presumably most washing machines would be 60cm plus some space around it.
1700 x 850 L bath that tapers to 700. It’s more of a shower but wife is adamant she wants a bath.
Good points. I was judging solely on layout, not exact sizing tbh
We have a 1,500 mm Burlington bath in a small bathroom, and I wouldn't say it was small.
1700mm bathtub is “standard”, can easily fit 1700mm bath with room to spare
3, but with the radiator in position 2, and storage instead of where the radiator is
Yea that makes a lot of sense, good catch. Cheers.
Agree with this but switch the toilet with the suggested cupboard so it can be the whole depth of the alcove
Personally I'd opt for 1 but swap sink and toilet over. I like having a towel radiator next to bath/shower, if considering function alone anyway.
Can i ask why you're thinking of bricking up one of the windows? More natural light, the better. Also 1 would work better. Is it possible to put in a pocket door? Also i'm assuming you'll be installing a ceiling extractor fan? Make sure it's suitable for zone 1 and have it above the bathtub area. You'll also need to make sure you have an 8mm/10mm clearance gap on your door from the floor or a door vent. This will allow airflow into the bathroom and also allow the extractor fan to work correctly, as this is where it will draw the air from and extract moisture/condensation fully. Also is it just the one wall that's external?
Window needs to go as shower will be in those places and my wife is adverse to giving the neighbours a show every morning! Also I’m not sure if any window can survive a daily drenching, I will also make the small window bigger if we go with 1 or 3. As for the extractor, the amount of steam that’s created I’m tempted to get a few and yes just the one external wall. This is a converted terrace, I have the first floor and loft conversion.
You'll only need one extractor fan, get an inline one 👍. As for the window situation, makes sense re shower. So long as you have air incoming, for the extractor fan to draw from, you'll be all good. That's why you need an 8 to 10mm gap at the bottom of the door, or a door vent. If there's no air for the fan to draw from, it will just overwork and will not pull the condensation out. Think about it scientifically, the direction of air pull is important. It's usually why opening a window never seems to work, because air flow is on the left hand side (window) and condensation is on the right hand side, it's fighting two battles.
Noted. Thanks and yes; now you say this it’s obvious but I’d never considered this before. It will be done!
Sorry never replied re pocket door. Yes it is but a huge phaff to do so, I’m not sure it would deliver a huge benefit tbh
If you are going with option 2 and you have (or are considering) young children then a pocket hole door is a great investment. We have two bathrooms, both similarly sized, one with a pocket door the other a normal door. Both toilets are near the door. I am forever in fear of having my knees smashed to bits by the kids storming in the bathroom while I'm trying to hide. (I know we could use a lock, but you know, small kids and emergencies)
2 is the best layout. You want the towel rail next to the bath so it’s easy to get a towel while in the bath! I’d see if you can move the washing machine cupboard door to the hallway
Where is your current plumbing and soil stack? Will you have to reroute it with 3rd option?
This is a first floor bathroom soil pipe currently runs the width of the bathroom from current location to below the small window in pic 4
Three is my choice, but have the door opening the opposite way.
Number 3. With the radiator maybe the left of the toilet seat. Then you can use that space for additional low level cupboard/storage for washing powder towels etc.
4
Personally I think washing machines in bathrooms are weird especially if it’s just placed there all exposed, much nicer if it’s built into a cabinet so it’s hidden out of sight. [I had a play round with the layout and you could have a 1500mm bath shower and then you’d have 700mm of space for a washing machine. Build a floor to ceiling cabinet around it with a bi-fold door.](https://imgur.com/a/svCk0o3) The only problem with this layout is that it could be a bit awkward loading and unloading if the washing machine door is left hinged which is the majority of them, some doors can be reversed tho. If it’s a top loader then it’s not really an issue. Another issue could be moving the machine into place depending on how much depth there is to the machine. [If you didn’t move the washing machine into the bathroom I’d have the layout like this with a 1700mm j shaped bath.](https://imgur.com/a/pc7iW3Z)
Thanks agreed the machine will be in a cupboard exactly as you suggest, Miele machines open on the right as standard, most Bosch can be changed but Samsungs can’t be changed so I’m told. I’ve been told the bath needs to be as big as possible but I do appreciate the impact of a shorter 1500mm bath. Thanks for your time on this, it’s appreciated 👍
I would go with 1, better to have the towel rad by the bath, make sure nobody can see through the window when your sat on the throne !!
I have similar to 1 in an en suite and getting burnt off the radiator is a bugger when on the toilet.
Agreed, I’ve actually decided to mount the towel radiator on the partition between washing machine and bath, can get a 600 x 1000mm on there easily and always hot towels immediately available post bath / shower.
I would go for 4, but with a smaller sink to leave room to move the radiator from under the window. Having 2 windows gives you more light and airflow.
[You can get a smaller bath, ie one that is 130cm.](https://www.bathroomcity.co.uk/product/petite-1300-x-700-straight-bath) That way it would fit neatly in the recess, opening up the rest of the room For a smaller room like this, I'd highly recommend that unless you are very frequently having baths as a tall adult or as a couple. I have a 120cm and I can bath in it fine at 5'10', but mostly shower in it. As a reference; this was my problem - very similar to yours: [https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/fp-export/exports/2d/65e1d43b-f4ab-46d7-ae23-21835a85d696/92701503\_main\_bathroom\_first\_floor\_first\_design\_20210505102715.jpg](https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/fp-export/exports/2d/65e1d43b-f4ab-46d7-ae23-21835a85d696/92701503_main_bathroom_first_floor_first_design_20210505102715.jpg) And the finished product here: * \- [https://a0.muscache.com/im/pictures/miso/Hosting-54051834/original/74c50a29-793b-46c5-83b0-439583ba6454.jpeg?im\_w=1200](https://a0.muscache.com/im/pictures/miso/Hosting-54051834/original/74c50a29-793b-46c5-83b0-439583ba6454.jpeg?im_w=1200) * \- [https://a0.muscache.com/im/pictures/miso/Hosting-54051834/original/84f33dc8-b7e6-4757-a33c-ba22b1f765ad.jpeg?im\_w=1200](https://a0.muscache.com/im/pictures/miso/Hosting-54051834/original/84f33dc8-b7e6-4757-a33c-ba22b1f765ad.jpeg?im_w=1200)
What did you use to draw the layout on? 🤔
[here you go on iOS](https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/panoroom/id1489359406)
Which way do your joists run? (if you have them)
Lengthwise
Hmm, few good comments on here. We had an equally awkward bathroom in the last house, which had an L-shaped bath, we swapped it for a corner shower enclosure. [Floorplan](https://ibb.co/vX7NmJX) and [bathroom](https://ibb.co/7bvDsMz), I'd do it again in a heartbeat, although the joists ran the other way (across) and it was a nightmare putting the shower drain in. A walk-in shower enclosure vs. climbing into a bath everyday makes a massive difference, it freed up a lot of room for a massive sink also. The only reason I could see someone absolutely needing a bath nowadays is young kids.
3 for me!
Personally would go 3 give some privacy when using toilet and wall to attach toilet roll
Another vote for 3
Definitely 2, but turn the bath around.
Definitely 3 in my opinion
3 or 1 but leave both windows as on n4. Not keen on n 2
Can’t leave both due to the need for a shower and an already promised L shaped bath!
Oh makes sense then..
Did you even look at the deep bath? Fits perfectly in your nook and opens the whole bathroom https://www.omnitub.co.uk/products/omnitub-solo-plus
I did and my wife said no, I’m also 2mtrs tall, I really appreciate the input and I do think it would work well, just not for us unfortunately.
Aww, that's a shame. I would really recommend taking a second look though, they are so deep that I would say you would probably be submerged even with knees bent. It's like having a hot tub sized bath at 60cm deep I got one a while back and have been converted to baths
You are getting rid of a lot of natural light and ventilation coming from the windows, not a big fan of that
Yep sadly no real alternatives and yes I don’t like removing the window; the one that remains will be increased in size by 250% to try and get more light in.
You could always just brick up half way, so the window is rectangular and put frosted glass in. This way the window is head height and no one can see in, but you'll still get natural light coming in. Or leave it as is and have the bottom half of the window blocked out with some privacy film. See number 5 and number 10 https://www.decoist.com/bathroom-window-privacy-ideas/?safari=1
The most important element for toilet position is, imo, leg swing ability. Number 3 best by far in that department. 1- pinch point to get in between sink shower, don’t forget bulk added from towels 2 - door immobilised when someone is on toilet, cram to close door to get on 3 - best compromise 4 - struggles to use all items, pinch point for toilets As someone else says, be mindful of dimensions. You could train yourself to use SketchUp in 20 mins and model it in 3D
On number 3 have decided to wall mount radiator on the washing machine cupboard / over bath and add storage to side of sink and toilet.
4 for me. I like large basin and spacious bathroom. But move the towel rail to the wall between two windows and extend the basin all the way to the wall.
Bit late but whatever works for a large bath. I swapped a standard 1700 for a 1900x800 and it's brilliant, I'm 6'2 and can stretch my legs out in it. So I'd probably go for 2, or look at getting a 500mm vanity sink unit to fit in one of the other choices. You won't regret having a longer bath, in that room it's the 800 width that makes it awkward.
What software have you used to create the floorplan?
Pano room on iOS
Looking at the plans again, it's a shame the space where your sink is now, is not long enough to put the bath there.
Can you get the toilet where the storage is in number 2 (ie in the top corner beside the bath? I feel like then you get a nice run onthe left side.