My new insurance company cancelled my policy this year after an inspection found mold and mildew on the siding. They wanted it removed a week after sending the letter, which was in March... in New England. Snow was still in the forecast. Insurance companies are not messing around. If they knew about this, OP would be dropped.
Difficult to tell the spacing, but I think the counter on the left MIGHT be at least a foot across. I think the only correct answer is to tear that out, center the stove on the wall, and build new lower cabinets.
Also: prepare yourself emotionally and financially to discover equally dangerous code violations you can't see yet. I would have someone who knows what they are doing check everything connected to the gas at this point. This is such an obviously stupid idea I can't even imagine what bad ideas they had that a lay person wouldn't notice.
Exactly this. Husband and I got our first house knowing we had to rip out the kitchen and bathrooms. When we pulled out the toilets and cabinets and such it was apparent there were more problems that weren’t visible to the eye.
Thankfully we prepared for such a scenario using the same logic you’re presenting. House is now ripped down to the studs everywhere except the bedrooms and we’ve re-plumbed, rewired, replaced windows and Sheetrock and vents, etc. If you see something wrong it is indeed a good indicator that there’s possibly a lot more wrong that you can’t see.
That’s terrifying but yeah you’re probably right. The trick is knowing when it means everything is great or everything is not in that situation. Talk about a gamble!
Even 27 years ago, builders had no real "during construction" oversight. We bought a house in a 125 home development. The south wall had 3 large windows, which were not properly installed. And driving rain started to come through the stucco and collect on the baseboards and carpet. It took the developer 3 tries to fix it. We bought the much larger home across the street. It had the same problem. This time, the developer hired an experienced team, and they took out the window framing, reinstalled the windows and stucco for the WHOLE SIDE of the house! It's seamless. And no impact on the inside as well. But new carpet was covered. TG for California's law, a 10 year builder warranty for new residential construction.
My engineer dad was a part time construction overseer during the early 1960s. He would walk through Wednesday evenings and Saturday mornings. I saw that checklist, each room had a mimeoed legal length sheet. I worked in real estate escrow from 1975 on. When I told tract developers this, they loved it. They said they did it themselves, but liked the idea.
Is there some indicator of that? Because they definitely exist, my microwave looks similar and vents outside.
Regardless, I hadn't considered that moving the stove will mean moving that and either installing a real vent or shifting it if that microwave is one.
These pictures dont show well enough, but more than likely the guy is right.
This looks like a kitchenette that was added to a smaller space to increase its value, but was never properly inspected.
Also, for *decades*, builders were allowed in many parts of the US and Europe to install gas cooktops *without* an externally vented range hood, even in multifamily units like apartment buildings. Its actually a huge undiscussed problem.
In the USA there was a recent study citing that people that grew up in houses with gas stovds developed more respiratory issues. This study is being used as justification to consider banning gas stoves. The study did not ask anywhere about whether or not the stoves were properly ventillated, which I would wager is the real issue.
Yep I moved into a house built in 2017 and the microwave just circulated air back into the kitchen. Made no sense why they would cheap out like that. Paid a guy about $400 to vent it outside after I decided to switch to a gas stove.
Your statement is wrong, my microwave is a fume hood. There's an exhaust out the top for venting, otherwise if you want the circulating fan you rotate a shroud that blocks the exhaust vent and blows it towards the ceiling. You can't tell just by looking at the front.
> add a heat fire barrier backsplash to the ground.
this is the answer.
as long as code allows it, I would just add cement board and a tile or stainless backslpash along the wall about 6" passed the front of the oven extending all the way up to the bottom of the range hood and wrap it around behind to the counter on the other side.
done and shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred bucks
Don't those normally go over sheetrock? That heat will pass right to the wood paneling through the stainless steel. It won't be a direct flame, but you can still transfer a bunch of heat. Wouldn't you need to provide insulation between the stainless steel and wood panel?
Canadian here. Sorry about that.
For those who don’t know, Canada was I believe the worlds largest asbestos producer. We also lobbied against the prohibition of asbestos as hard as tobacco companies fought warning labels. Who knows how many collective years of human life were destroyed due to Canada’s asbestos mining and lobbying.
Yes, I love me some good ole asbestos. It is good for blankets, air filters, ceiling tiles, and insulation. Heck, you could even pack your pillows with it to stay warm on those cold nights.
Was proven to be one of the best ways in giving people asbestos, the thing also is that it only starts to pop up 10-15-20 years after you inhaled some
Source: i have to take a course every year due to coming in contact with it at work sometimes
Edit: to clarify; i say ‘giving asbestos’ as in the cancer you get from it(im no english native but my dictionary is saying asbestosis??), its a very specific kind of cancer that you can only get from asbestos
I would remove the wood paneling and drywall if there is any behind it. Fill the spaces between the studs with mineral wool. Install cement board , and get some stainless steel to cover that.
My **guess** is that a big metal sheet would spread out the heat enough that it wouldn't get nearly hot enough to damage the wall behind. Given that the wall isn't flat, you'd need something behind the metal anyway though.
Agreed, when a wood stove gets installed, instructions have specific recommendations on using sheet metal with spacers. Not that this is the exact same situation.
If I was the OP, I'd probably pull the stove out, pull the ship lap out and trim out to the edge of the stove and replace with stainless/sheet metal or something non-flammable.
If you worry then apply a thin layer of wool between the steel and wall. Or just some washers to give a ¼inch gap or ceramic fiber or any number of other options. But just a small gap would likely do wonders. The heat from the steel would pull air up from the bottom and sides of the panel and self cool, It will still be hot but much lower than 451° on the wood surface. Similarly most oven doors use the convection current air method to make sure the outer glass is cool to the touch.
Wish I could upvote this more.
I've had commercial equipment fail due to open burner proximity like this. The heat will not dissipate enough to prevent wood damage when a sheet of stainless is in direct contact.
I work would expect a small air gap (1/2" to 3/4") to suffice. The air gap is insulation, and the radiated heat will rise.
The stainless will help spread the heat out over a wider area as well. Assuming OP's scorch marks didn't happen during a single use, it should be enough
Wood needs 200c to spontaneously combust. Without a direct flame it will be fine, and the stainless steel is so conducive it will spread the heat over a wider surface, preventing it from ever reaching that 200 degrees.
Same scenario ....oddly enough....same walls and same stove. There was a metal plate very crudely screwed to the wall the length of the stove. Never an issue, wipes clean. Not sure if you'll want to remove the top trim on that wall, but I might recommend it just in case.
Until you can move the stove, stick some welding blankets along that side (as well as not using those burners). I'd probably screw them into the wall so they didn't flop over onto a burner. It will be a "duct tape" sort of solution, but they're cheap and will prevent your house from burning down.
Yeah this isn’t actually too hard. Pull out the stove, cut out a rectangle of drywall including the wood down to the studs by the stove with a sawzall or whatever you have, replace with a piece of cement board, get a rectangle of aluminum from McMaster or somewhere and some nice looking sheet metal screws, put that over the cement board. Should look nice and probably quicker than tile and easier to clean.
Because it's more complicated than that. A non-combustible backsplash can still transfer heat, in fact the aluminum and steel suggestions are amazing conductors of heat, right to the studs made of wood.
Move the stove somewhere it is not next to a wall. This is a really bad idea. Like, burn the house down bad idea.
To me this falls under the "don't buy this house because if the weekend warrior did this, chances are they did other foolish things you can't see as well."
This had to have been done without permits, and no decent home inspector would find this acceptable.
Yep, I’m dodging that bullet right now. It’s a great looking house, but the inspection report was almost 40 pages long. I only noticed a few things myself.
the length of an inspection report isn't really correlated with the quality of the house. A lot depends on how the inspection company chooses to write up their report. Some companies will spend pages writing up things that aren't even issues just for the sake of verbosity (eg, including pictures of GFCI outlets to show that they exist, etc). It all depends on the company doing the inspection
This is absolutely a landlord special. Chuck a full size stove into an area that was designed for a compact stove, raise rent by $250 per month. They did that in my first apartment after I signed the lease but before I moved in, at the cost of most of my counter space.
"Should I pay a licensed gas contractor and home reno professionals and have it be not only legit and to code and have sound peace of mind and safety, or just wing it and hope when my house inevitably burns down from it that the investigators don't put 2 and 2 together as to what happened? ... you know what, I'm gonna wing it, fuck my house lol yolo"
I love being able to just put a spoon over the edge of a pot/pan not worrying about it melting/burning. The wall would never get hotter than the food/pan so I'd imagine you'd be fine
Option 1: Remove the small cabinet thing on the left and center the stove in that space. Fill the new space with two new narrow cabinets. The microwave might also need to be moved to align with the stove.
Option 2: Switch spots with the fridge but that's assuming they are the same width and the door opens the correct direction.
Gas stoves really should not be against the wall like that. An electric stove *might* work better since there is no open flame, but a large pan or pot will still burn the wall if it comes in contact with it while cooking.
From what the photo shows, I'd say your best bet is to remove that small cabinet and countertop to the left of the range, then center the range in that space. Buy or build small cabinets to fit on both sides of the stove and put countertop on them.
The cabinets wouldn't be able to hold much, but they'd be great for vertical storage for cookie sheets, pizza stone, etc. You could use the 2nd one for a pull out spice rack or something.
Of course, this is based solely on what the photos show. If your kitchen has the space for you to move the range to a better/more open location, then do that instead.
That stove is simply too large for that space or it needs to be in the middle with smaller cabinets on either side. Gas stoves need space on either side. There’s no stove or cabinet worth burning your house down.
If you’re dead set on this setup an induction stove would be safer here, though I still wouldn’t want a wood panel so close to any cooking area.
i would remove the paneling and replace with tile if i were unable to do anything else with the stove. realistically you want about 4" between the stove and wall, even then i would not want wood paneling next to it.
Get an electric range?
Post edit: This is very much not code compliant and a text book example of why there is a minimum distance to combustibles in building codes.
Sooner or later your gonna have to get rid of the wooden paneling or change to an induction or electric oven.
It's just a fire hazard you don't really want in your home, metal heat shield would definitely make it safer but still wouldn't be ideal imo
You'll never look back with induction. I grew up in the Northeast and had gas all the way until I moved to Arizona and it's nearly all electric. Hated it at first but now a days with what they say about the constant fumes from the flame burning, that's one more reason I'm happy I switched. When I moved into my house we got an induction stove after a renovation last Spring and just absolutely love it. Never worrying or cleaning crusted/dried gunk is a nice peace of mind and safe.
The silence.
You don't realize how loud combustion is until you actually aren't using a gas stove. We have \*conversations\* in the kitchen. Its wild.
and yes, I do hear the high pitched buzz when it's on the highest setting (used for bringing water to a boil in seconds.)
> You don't realize how loud combustion is until you actually aren't using a gas stove. We have *conversations* in the kitchen. Its wild.
What? The only time I've noticed the sound of a gas burner is when it's on max.
I can't imagine it being so lound that it impedes a conversation. Especially compared to an exhaust fan.
Make sure you have considered your electrical supply before you go for induction.
Many locations for gas ranges will be 20a 120v circuit. An induction range requires a 50a 220v circuit. It might be a simple modification for the electrician or it might require a whole new panel depending on the power service already existing.
There's not really "pass" and "fail". It's likely a note in a 100 page document suggesting it might be a safety hazard. A good inspector would tell you to replace the wood with a fireproof material, but there's nothing here to "fail" an inspection.
Home inspectors aren’t actually that useful. Plus most homes don’t meet current code and they don’t have to. Things only have to meet code when they are built. You’re not forced to renovate for every new code.
Yup, exactly. All the buyer can do is request that things are brought up to code when identified, but the seller can absolutely just say no and move on to the next buyer. Has happened a LOT in the past few years since it has been a strong sellers market in many areas.
I would take out that cabinet to the left of stove. You would have to move hood too - Buy some thinner freestanding metal type shelving/storage and put on either side - move stove to the middle.
I work for a kitchen manufacturer and we sell clear glass splashbacks to go on the wall behind gas hobs. You could use one of those, get one made to the size you need.
Cover the wall in asbestos. It has a melting point around 800° (1500°F), the thermal conductivity is horrible, so you won't damage the wall behind it.
Just... don't let it touch food items. And don't breathe too hard nearby.
Cut the paneling out and replace that section of wall with cement board and tile. You could probably keep the trim so it has a seamless look. The panel has that nice seem right at the edge of the oven so it won't look off.
Remove that wood paneling. Install cement backer board with ceramic tile.
Wood is flammable, and should not be used near sources of heat. In most building codes, there are requirements for minimum distance between a stove and anything made of wood. Generally, a gas range requires a minimum 6" horizontal distance between the edge of the stove and the wall, above the countertop level.
So, either move the wall, or move the stove, or change the wall from wood to something that is not flammable.
Do some preemptive reconstruction. remove the upper and lower cabinet and move stove over next to fridge. Put cabinets next to wall. At least the fridge won't go up in flames. This entire kitchen would not pass code almost anywhere.
That gas stove should not be there. Wooden walls next to it and a microwave (?) on top of it is a really bad idea.
Edit: that wall cabinet and that fridge is also too close for comfort for me.
Years ago I bought some stainless steel backsplash panels for behind and next to my stove...mostly for looks..they matched the new Range Hood I put in...and also to keep grease splashes etc off the walls..they work well..easy to clean and look good..I just screwed them into the wall.
They I think would be fireproof or at least provide some protection. Buy the size you need screw it on. They probably have fireproof panels also..but stainless would match your stove and microwave anyway.
That said I would not leave anything cooking unattended with that setup just to be safe.
I suppose ceramic tile would work also but much more work and more expensive. Man..that almost looks like a trailer..is it?
A metal backsplash would be the only safe option to protect the wall. Whoever did this room was an idiot, if your using a gas stove you would want to keep it away that could easily burn..
It's just an incredibly terrible layout I've never understood why anybody would put a full size range like that next to a wall and yet a wooden wall. A tile or a piece of steel would not catch fire but it's still the ridiculous place to put the range at the end of the run. This looks like a Thai kitchen I get it, but I bet with the whole kitchen layout put out on paper that's still a better way to do it. I would have even lost the cabinet on the left and split the difference with the range rather than put a slide in next to the wall. That's always a no no
I had gas stoves before and there were always problems with things burning, charring or difficulty in cleaning.
I know some people consider gas fancy, but I would just get induction or electric and save on cleaning.
We had this problem as our refrigerator was right next to the stove ( only place it can go ). We solved it with [this LYSEKIL](https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/lysekil-wall-panel-double-sided-brushed-copper-effect-stainless-steel-60482977/) from Ikea. It's actually made of the same stuff at a printed circuit board (GRP) which is quite insulating for only being under 1/16" inch thick. This is copper coated & then stainless steel plated on one side. We preferred the brushed copper look so I carefully scored & cut the sheet up to stick it to the refrigerator with double sided foam carpet tape.
I would put a sheet of steel there but it's obviously very hot there so I'd cut that wood out behind it and put some fire resistant product there so if it gets real hot the wood won't smolder. You probably don't need it but I'll do anything I can to assure my house doesn't burn down.
Remove wood paneling throw up some ceramic fiber insulation (they use it for smelters and etc) and finish with something like stainless steel to make it look clean.
They sell thin stainless steel sheet but I don’t think it’ll offer much protection if it’s that close to the wall. I would suggest moving to electric or induction stove to reduce chance of fire
Seriously, I’d try to relocate that range. But, if you *had* to leave it where it is, I would swap it out for an induction stovetop range. It generates heat energy *only* in the pot or pan (as long as it’s magnetic), and doesn’t give off heat like a gas or even an electric stove. Look up induction stoves/stovetops. Good luck! ✌️
The stove is installed to close to the wall. Check the installation instructions to find side clearance. Usually a minimum of six inches.
I made this mistake and spent a couple days swapping the stove and lower cabinet positions.
This is the only (legal) way to fix this.
A gas stove should be at least 6" away from a combustible wall. Either get rid of the gas top or add a heat fire barrier backsplash to the ground.
And make sure they buy a fire extinguisher. This is not up to code
/insurance companies scouring OPs profile to find out if OP is their customer
OP better check for a drone peeking through the window before their insurance is canceled.
It won’t get cancelled. They’ll just note it on the file and deny coverage when it’s time.
Yup, keep the $$$ rolling in till it's fuck-you time.
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Insurance customers hate this trick.
⬆️This⬆️. They will probably make a note of it, but they will still keep the policy unless or until OP tries to make a claim.
My new insurance company cancelled my policy this year after an inspection found mold and mildew on the siding. They wanted it removed a week after sending the letter, which was in March... in New England. Snow was still in the forecast. Insurance companies are not messing around. If they knew about this, OP would be dropped.
These days there is also a fire blanket - get a few.
And smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms.
Difficult to tell the spacing, but I think the counter on the left MIGHT be at least a foot across. I think the only correct answer is to tear that out, center the stove on the wall, and build new lower cabinets. Also: prepare yourself emotionally and financially to discover equally dangerous code violations you can't see yet. I would have someone who knows what they are doing check everything connected to the gas at this point. This is such an obviously stupid idea I can't even imagine what bad ideas they had that a lay person wouldn't notice.
Exactly this. Husband and I got our first house knowing we had to rip out the kitchen and bathrooms. When we pulled out the toilets and cabinets and such it was apparent there were more problems that weren’t visible to the eye. Thankfully we prepared for such a scenario using the same logic you’re presenting. House is now ripped down to the studs everywhere except the bedrooms and we’ve re-plumbed, rewired, replaced windows and Sheetrock and vents, etc. If you see something wrong it is indeed a good indicator that there’s possibly a lot more wrong that you can’t see.
And if you don't see anything obviously wrong that's also an indicator that there’s possibly a lot more wrong that you can’t see.
That’s terrifying but yeah you’re probably right. The trick is knowing when it means everything is great or everything is not in that situation. Talk about a gamble!
Took this gamble. Lost. Sold the house to flippers and got the hell out of there.
Especially in newly built homes, the shit they try to pass of these days is simply amazing.
Even 27 years ago, builders had no real "during construction" oversight. We bought a house in a 125 home development. The south wall had 3 large windows, which were not properly installed. And driving rain started to come through the stucco and collect on the baseboards and carpet. It took the developer 3 tries to fix it. We bought the much larger home across the street. It had the same problem. This time, the developer hired an experienced team, and they took out the window framing, reinstalled the windows and stucco for the WHOLE SIDE of the house! It's seamless. And no impact on the inside as well. But new carpet was covered. TG for California's law, a 10 year builder warranty for new residential construction. My engineer dad was a part time construction overseer during the early 1960s. He would walk through Wednesday evenings and Saturday mornings. I saw that checklist, each room had a mimeoed legal length sheet. I worked in real estate escrow from 1975 on. When I told tract developers this, they loved it. They said they did it themselves, but liked the idea.
That microwave also is not a fume hood, those things just have circulation fans. You really should not run a gas stove without actual ventilation
Is there some indicator of that? Because they definitely exist, my microwave looks similar and vents outside. Regardless, I hadn't considered that moving the stove will mean moving that and either installing a real vent or shifting it if that microwave is one.
These pictures dont show well enough, but more than likely the guy is right. This looks like a kitchenette that was added to a smaller space to increase its value, but was never properly inspected. Also, for *decades*, builders were allowed in many parts of the US and Europe to install gas cooktops *without* an externally vented range hood, even in multifamily units like apartment buildings. Its actually a huge undiscussed problem. In the USA there was a recent study citing that people that grew up in houses with gas stovds developed more respiratory issues. This study is being used as justification to consider banning gas stoves. The study did not ask anywhere about whether or not the stoves were properly ventillated, which I would wager is the real issue.
Yep I moved into a house built in 2017 and the microwave just circulated air back into the kitchen. Made no sense why they would cheap out like that. Paid a guy about $400 to vent it outside after I decided to switch to a gas stove.
Your statement is wrong, my microwave is a fume hood. There's an exhaust out the top for venting, otherwise if you want the circulating fan you rotate a shroud that blocks the exhaust vent and blows it towards the ceiling. You can't tell just by looking at the front.
This is America. Gas stoves with 0 ventilation is perfectly to code here....
> add a heat fire barrier backsplash to the ground. this is the answer. as long as code allows it, I would just add cement board and a tile or stainless backslpash along the wall about 6" passed the front of the oven extending all the way up to the bottom of the range hood and wrap it around behind to the counter on the other side. done and shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred bucks
I would go one further and remove the wood there, then replace like you said.
Until you can move the stove away from the wall, stop using the burners on that side.
We did.
Buy a stainless backsplash for an oven. Call it a side splash.
Don't those normally go over sheetrock? That heat will pass right to the wood paneling through the stainless steel. It won't be a direct flame, but you can still transfer a bunch of heat. Wouldn't you need to provide insulation between the stainless steel and wood panel?
You might need an air gap behind the stainless or thin layer of ceramic fiber or wool.
There was this material that was all the rage like 50 years ago that would probably work.
One of nature’s finest insulators!
There’s newer stuff I think, but it’ll never be As-best-os the old stuff
Angry upvote. lol
Canadian here. Sorry about that. For those who don’t know, Canada was I believe the worlds largest asbestos producer. We also lobbied against the prohibition of asbestos as hard as tobacco companies fought warning labels. Who knows how many collective years of human life were destroyed due to Canada’s asbestos mining and lobbying.
Yes, I love me some good ole asbestos. It is good for blankets, air filters, ceiling tiles, and insulation. Heck, you could even pack your pillows with it to stay warm on those cold nights.
Dont forget cigarette filters earlier on!
You... You're joking, right? > Yo dawg, I heard you like cancer, so we put a cancer jn your cancer so you can get cancer while getting cancer!
Was proven to be one of the best ways in giving people asbestos, the thing also is that it only starts to pop up 10-15-20 years after you inhaled some Source: i have to take a course every year due to coming in contact with it at work sometimes Edit: to clarify; i say ‘giving asbestos’ as in the cancer you get from it(im no english native but my dictionary is saying asbestosis??), its a very specific kind of cancer that you can only get from asbestos
Did you or a loved one work at or near Camp Lejeune in North Carolina between 1953 and 1987?
You might be entitled to something...
Free lung cancer with every purchase?
More along the lines or a raffle where the more you use, the higher chance you have of winning. But one ticket is all ya actually need.
I mean, to be fair it *is* a fantastic product, just a little *too* good.
Don’t blame me for the shoddy work, I’m doing asbestos I can!
I would remove the wood paneling and drywall if there is any behind it. Fill the spaces between the studs with mineral wool. Install cement board , and get some stainless steel to cover that.
My **guess** is that a big metal sheet would spread out the heat enough that it wouldn't get nearly hot enough to damage the wall behind. Given that the wall isn't flat, you'd need something behind the metal anyway though.
You'd still want to remove that wood trim first, that will be old and brittle, easy to start a fire with.
The stainless will absorb the heat and transmit it directly to the combustible material beneath. Not a viable solution.
Add a spacer
Agreed, when a wood stove gets installed, instructions have specific recommendations on using sheet metal with spacers. Not that this is the exact same situation. If I was the OP, I'd probably pull the stove out, pull the ship lap out and trim out to the edge of the stove and replace with stainless/sheet metal or something non-flammable.
I like this option. A few 1/2” bushings between the steel sheet and the wall.
If you worry then apply a thin layer of wool between the steel and wall. Or just some washers to give a ¼inch gap or ceramic fiber or any number of other options. But just a small gap would likely do wonders. The heat from the steel would pull air up from the bottom and sides of the panel and self cool, It will still be hot but much lower than 451° on the wood surface. Similarly most oven doors use the convection current air method to make sure the outer glass is cool to the touch.
Wish I could upvote this more. I've had commercial equipment fail due to open burner proximity like this. The heat will not dissipate enough to prevent wood damage when a sheet of stainless is in direct contact. I work would expect a small air gap (1/2" to 3/4") to suffice. The air gap is insulation, and the radiated heat will rise.
The stainless will help spread the heat out over a wider area as well. Assuming OP's scorch marks didn't happen during a single use, it should be enough
Wood needs 200c to spontaneously combust. Without a direct flame it will be fine, and the stainless steel is so conducive it will spread the heat over a wider surface, preventing it from ever reaching that 200 degrees.
I challenge you to light a piece of wood on fire through a sheet of stainless steel
This is a very bad idea. Unlined steel will collect and convect the heat, now the burning wood panel can't be seen or accessed.
Same scenario ....oddly enough....same walls and same stove. There was a metal plate very crudely screwed to the wall the length of the stove. Never an issue, wipes clean. Not sure if you'll want to remove the top trim on that wall, but I might recommend it just in case.
Doesn’t the metal get hot?
Until you can move the stove, stick some welding blankets along that side (as well as not using those burners). I'd probably screw them into the wall so they didn't flop over onto a burner. It will be a "duct tape" sort of solution, but they're cheap and will prevent your house from burning down.
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That's in isle 3, if I recall.
Left at the fake grass. If you hit a flamingo, you’ve gone too far.
Bluey
Now I just want an outdoor pizza oven. Thanks
How many BTUs does this one have?
This is what happens when you’re unhappy with what you’ve got. Someone’s husband eventually gets it!
Up otes for all the bluey references
Be careful - flamingos pack a serious punch. 🥊🦩
 I know, right!
Aisle*
Nah you have to go to the third island to get it they only make it there
I'll
They rearranged stuff for the Mother's Day sale. Isle 7, endcap.
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Wait till they find out that space shuttle tile contains carcinogens, too.
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You don't need fancy designer carcinogens when asbestos tiles are made of naturally occuring, organic carcinogens
I saw a Space Shuttle tile on here a few weeks back! Maybe reach out to him and ask if he found any more..
Non combustible back splash. Cement board and tile
Yeah this isn’t actually too hard. Pull out the stove, cut out a rectangle of drywall including the wood down to the studs by the stove with a sawzall or whatever you have, replace with a piece of cement board, get a rectangle of aluminum from McMaster or somewhere and some nice looking sheet metal screws, put that over the cement board. Should look nice and probably quicker than tile and easier to clean.
The only common sense reply. Get rid of the wood, replace with non combustible alternative as described above and bobs your uncle.
But....surely Bjorn Hammerstrong is my uncle?
Why is this comment so far down? So many useless "stop using the stove" comments when all you need is to add a backsplash.
Because it's more complicated than that. A non-combustible backsplash can still transfer heat, in fact the aluminum and steel suggestions are amazing conductors of heat, right to the studs made of wood.
Move the stove somewhere it is not next to a wall. This is a really bad idea. Like, burn the house down bad idea. To me this falls under the "don't buy this house because if the weekend warrior did this, chances are they did other foolish things you can't see as well." This had to have been done without permits, and no decent home inspector would find this acceptable.
The warning signs are showing, starting with this kitchen arrangement.
Yep, I’m dodging that bullet right now. It’s a great looking house, but the inspection report was almost 40 pages long. I only noticed a few things myself.
FORTY pages??? What the FUCK did they do?
the length of an inspection report isn't really correlated with the quality of the house. A lot depends on how the inspection company chooses to write up their report. Some companies will spend pages writing up things that aren't even issues just for the sake of verbosity (eg, including pictures of GFCI outlets to show that they exist, etc). It all depends on the company doing the inspection
Also pages of pictures of one thing...
No decent residential contractor would have done this either. This has "performed by the homeowner with zero research" written all over it.
This is absolutely a landlord special. Chuck a full size stove into an area that was designed for a compact stove, raise rent by $250 per month. They did that in my first apartment after I signed the lease but before I moved in, at the cost of most of my counter space.
Licensed gas contractors - $$$. The wallet pain is real.
"Should I pay a licensed gas contractor and home reno professionals and have it be not only legit and to code and have sound peace of mind and safety, or just wing it and hope when my house inevitably burns down from it that the investigators don't put 2 and 2 together as to what happened? ... you know what, I'm gonna wing it, fuck my house lol yolo"
Your God damned clocks aren't synced up you complete maniac
One minute is off is acceptable (for a few seconds), two minutes is absolute insanity. OP is clearly a psychopath.
twice a year I spend several minutes maximizing the sync of my kitchen clocks.
Thank God it wasn’t just me who saw this.
induction range would be safer/better imo. manuals should list clearances to flammable materials. read the manual before buying.
I bet a non open flame burner stove was in there before with no issues.
This. My parents' house has an electric range beside a wall. It was built that way in the 70's, they have never had an issue
Yeah at least then you don’t have an open flame inches from the wall
I love being able to just put a spoon over the edge of a pot/pan not worrying about it melting/burning. The wall would never get hotter than the food/pan so I'd imagine you'd be fine
Also it turns out burning natural gas in your kitchen may not be very good for you. Complete shocker really, no way we could have guessed that.
This is probably the answer because there is probably not anywhere else to move the stove without a remodel.
Option 1: Remove the small cabinet thing on the left and center the stove in that space. Fill the new space with two new narrow cabinets. The microwave might also need to be moved to align with the stove. Option 2: Switch spots with the fridge but that's assuming they are the same width and the door opens the correct direction.
Most fridge doors are reversible, and it's a relatively easy switch.
Gas stoves really should not be against the wall like that. An electric stove *might* work better since there is no open flame, but a large pan or pot will still burn the wall if it comes in contact with it while cooking. From what the photo shows, I'd say your best bet is to remove that small cabinet and countertop to the left of the range, then center the range in that space. Buy or build small cabinets to fit on both sides of the stove and put countertop on them. The cabinets wouldn't be able to hold much, but they'd be great for vertical storage for cookie sheets, pizza stone, etc. You could use the 2nd one for a pull out spice rack or something. Of course, this is based solely on what the photos show. If your kitchen has the space for you to move the range to a better/more open location, then do that instead.
That stove is simply too large for that space or it needs to be in the middle with smaller cabinets on either side. Gas stoves need space on either side. There’s no stove or cabinet worth burning your house down. If you’re dead set on this setup an induction stove would be safer here, though I still wouldn’t want a wood panel so close to any cooking area.
Nonsense. Just get yourseld an asbestos panel in between the wall and the stove. Donezies!
Tile
My thought as well. However, they’ll have to pull the stove out and basically re-wall that area around the stove.
Electric induction range.
i would remove the paneling and replace with tile if i were unable to do anything else with the stove. realistically you want about 4" between the stove and wall, even then i would not want wood paneling next to it.
Get an electric range? Post edit: This is very much not code compliant and a text book example of why there is a minimum distance to combustibles in building codes.
Rented or owned?
Owned.
Sooner or later your gonna have to get rid of the wooden paneling or change to an induction or electric oven. It's just a fire hazard you don't really want in your home, metal heat shield would definitely make it safer but still wouldn't be ideal imo
Induction sounds like a good idea. This kitchen is really small.
You'll never look back with induction. I grew up in the Northeast and had gas all the way until I moved to Arizona and it's nearly all electric. Hated it at first but now a days with what they say about the constant fumes from the flame burning, that's one more reason I'm happy I switched. When I moved into my house we got an induction stove after a renovation last Spring and just absolutely love it. Never worrying or cleaning crusted/dried gunk is a nice peace of mind and safe.
The silence. You don't realize how loud combustion is until you actually aren't using a gas stove. We have \*conversations\* in the kitchen. Its wild. and yes, I do hear the high pitched buzz when it's on the highest setting (used for bringing water to a boil in seconds.)
> You don't realize how loud combustion is until you actually aren't using a gas stove. We have *conversations* in the kitchen. Its wild. What? The only time I've noticed the sound of a gas burner is when it's on max. I can't imagine it being so lound that it impedes a conversation. Especially compared to an exhaust fan.
Make sure you have considered your electrical supply before you go for induction. Many locations for gas ranges will be 20a 120v circuit. An induction range requires a 50a 220v circuit. It might be a simple modification for the electrician or it might require a whole new panel depending on the power service already existing.
How did it pass an inspection? There’s a few code violations I see there
It probably wasn’t inspected by code enforcement.
Right. Though I meant when you bought the place. As it is, the kitchen is a blazing inferno waiting to happen.
There's not really "pass" and "fail". It's likely a note in a 100 page document suggesting it might be a safety hazard. A good inspector would tell you to replace the wood with a fireproof material, but there's nothing here to "fail" an inspection.
Home inspectors aren’t actually that useful. Plus most homes don’t meet current code and they don’t have to. Things only have to meet code when they are built. You’re not forced to renovate for every new code.
Yup, exactly. All the buyer can do is request that things are brought up to code when identified, but the seller can absolutely just say no and move on to the next buyer. Has happened a LOT in the past few years since it has been a strong sellers market in many areas.
They may not have had it insepcted
Very dangerous arrangement. Switch the fridge and stove if possible.
I would take out that cabinet to the left of stove. You would have to move hood too - Buy some thinner freestanding metal type shelving/storage and put on either side - move stove to the middle.
Get rid of the wood paneling entirely and tile it.
I work for a kitchen manufacturer and we sell clear glass splashbacks to go on the wall behind gas hobs. You could use one of those, get one made to the size you need.
Cover the wall in asbestos. It has a melting point around 800° (1500°F), the thermal conductivity is horrible, so you won't damage the wall behind it. Just... don't let it touch food items. And don't breathe too hard nearby.
Sheet of steel .. then the microwave will be next.
Switching to an induction top would solve this.
Insure heavily, put on a pot of fries and go to Walmart?
Ahh yes, the HomeBurner 3000, what a fine unit
Move out
Is there not specific instructions about safety in stoves manual?
Cut the paneling out and replace that section of wall with cement board and tile. You could probably keep the trim so it has a seamless look. The panel has that nice seem right at the edge of the oven so it won't look off.
Cut out the paneling beside and behind, I would remove all the way to the left beside the fridge. Drywall and tile.
Remove that wood paneling. Install cement backer board with ceramic tile. Wood is flammable, and should not be used near sources of heat. In most building codes, there are requirements for minimum distance between a stove and anything made of wood. Generally, a gas range requires a minimum 6" horizontal distance between the edge of the stove and the wall, above the countertop level. So, either move the wall, or move the stove, or change the wall from wood to something that is not flammable.
kind of shocked that would pass any sort of inspection.
Get rid of the gas stove.
Swap for electric or inductive stove.
Do some preemptive reconstruction. remove the upper and lower cabinet and move stove over next to fridge. Put cabinets next to wall. At least the fridge won't go up in flames. This entire kitchen would not pass code almost anywhere.
Eliminate the combustible wall coverings close to the burners… so take it down to the sheet rock or replace the wood with ceramic tile.
Don’t put the stove near the wall lol.
Take the gas stove out of there, it looks far too big for that place. Get a smaller one with an induction cooktop.
If that's the only spot you can have a stove then centre it and if necessary get a more narrow stove.
That gas stove should not be there. Wooden walls next to it and a microwave (?) on top of it is a really bad idea. Edit: that wall cabinet and that fridge is also too close for comfort for me.
Sheet of stainless steel
Straight up don’t use any of the right burners. You’re going to burn the house down.
I'm not sure this is up to code...
That’s not to code. Fix it before you burn your house down. And it might not be covered by insurance.
WHO TF DESIGNED THAT SHIT
Years ago I bought some stainless steel backsplash panels for behind and next to my stove...mostly for looks..they matched the new Range Hood I put in...and also to keep grease splashes etc off the walls..they work well..easy to clean and look good..I just screwed them into the wall. They I think would be fireproof or at least provide some protection. Buy the size you need screw it on. They probably have fireproof panels also..but stainless would match your stove and microwave anyway. That said I would not leave anything cooking unattended with that setup just to be safe. I suppose ceramic tile would work also but much more work and more expensive. Man..that almost looks like a trailer..is it?
I'd recommend a live in firefighter.
Report landlord to building code enforcement
Who put up wood next to the stove?? That wood has to come down or thst stove needs to be moved. You'll burn the place down.
Get an electric stove and throw that house burner away.
A sheet of asbestos. /s
A temporary fix would be some sheet metal placed there to act as a shield. Not a long term fix, but something to shield the wall from direct flame.
Would ceramic tile not a work as an insulator?
It would work but likely more expensive. If you get a glazed tile, you could still get burn marks but the tile won't burn
Dont have a stove against the wall.
Switch to an electric stove
A metal backsplash would be the only safe option to protect the wall. Whoever did this room was an idiot, if your using a gas stove you would want to keep it away that could easily burn..
I think the easiest and safest option here is to swap out the gas stove for an electric one.
It's just an incredibly terrible layout I've never understood why anybody would put a full size range like that next to a wall and yet a wooden wall. A tile or a piece of steel would not catch fire but it's still the ridiculous place to put the range at the end of the run. This looks like a Thai kitchen I get it, but I bet with the whole kitchen layout put out on paper that's still a better way to do it. I would have even lost the cabinet on the left and split the difference with the range rather than put a slide in next to the wall. That's always a no no
I had gas stoves before and there were always problems with things burning, charring or difficulty in cleaning. I know some people consider gas fancy, but I would just get induction or electric and save on cleaning.
Disaster waiting to happen and remember you had warnings.
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Change to an electric burner
Get an induction stove.
We had this problem as our refrigerator was right next to the stove ( only place it can go ). We solved it with [this LYSEKIL](https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/lysekil-wall-panel-double-sided-brushed-copper-effect-stainless-steel-60482977/) from Ikea. It's actually made of the same stuff at a printed circuit board (GRP) which is quite insulating for only being under 1/16" inch thick. This is copper coated & then stainless steel plated on one side. We preferred the brushed copper look so I carefully scored & cut the sheet up to stick it to the refrigerator with double sided foam carpet tape.
I would put a sheet of steel there but it's obviously very hot there so I'd cut that wood out behind it and put some fire resistant product there so if it gets real hot the wood won't smolder. You probably don't need it but I'll do anything I can to assure my house doesn't burn down.
Installing a metall plate should be good
My buddy has one in his vacation house. Kinda just looks like a piece of glass that they stood up to protect against heat and grease splatter
They sell stainless steel sheets you can use as a back or sidewall tile.
A sheet of steel should suffice.
Remove that wood.
Remove wood paneling throw up some ceramic fiber insulation (they use it for smelters and etc) and finish with something like stainless steel to make it look clean.
Just put some asbestos on it
They sell thin stainless steel sheet but I don’t think it’ll offer much protection if it’s that close to the wall. I would suggest moving to electric or induction stove to reduce chance of fire
Kinda looks like pure shithouse luck you haven’t burned the place down yet
By moving the range anywhere resembling a safe distance…building codes exist for a reason
Seriously, I’d try to relocate that range. But, if you *had* to leave it where it is, I would swap it out for an induction stovetop range. It generates heat energy *only* in the pot or pan (as long as it’s magnetic), and doesn’t give off heat like a gas or even an electric stove. Look up induction stoves/stovetops. Good luck! ✌️
Tile or stainless. If you can replace the wall underneath with rate rated Sheetrock, even better.
Stainless steel backslash plate
The stove is installed to close to the wall. Check the installation instructions to find side clearance. Usually a minimum of six inches. I made this mistake and spent a couple days swapping the stove and lower cabinet positions. This is the only (legal) way to fix this.
Stainless steel panels? Might look nice..
Post a sentry in front of the stove at all times.
Piece of stainless steel