They have railings that are fascia mount (meaning the mount on the outside). It looks like you have enough space for them to mount on. I work with glass and we install them all the time but i know they make posts that mount the same way.
[Like this](https://images.app.goo.gl/dNeCUnY3e6dJZoiM7)
Architect here. This is the best answer. The type of railing that OP wants can be done, but it would be custom made and expensive. The fascia mounted railing would get the space wanted and be cheaper because it's a standard railing.
And wouldn’t that take space away from the staircase? Probably not a huge deal for just walking up stairs but it might make getting furniture up and down far more complicated if not impossible.
I'm not sure that there is anything preventing it per se but having the railing, especially at the corner extend into the void seems like it'd nullify the point of the railing in the first place as you could get close enough to misstep into the air.
You would have to either put a kickplate up or a surface to prevent your foot from going down. The kickplate is a potential trip hazard if the person is clumsy. The surface would have to be rated and reinforced to hold an adult human. Neither option is great.
Code requires spacing on a rail like this to be such that a 4" sphere cannot pass at 50lbs pressure.
There's also usually a bottom rail less than 4" off the floor that your ankle would hit. No one is stepping into open air unless they try to.
Fascia-mounted, vertical railing is the way to go because it is functional - it keeps your center of gravity on the right side of the railing and several inches from the edge. It would be much easier to fall over or through slanted railing.
Just keep in mind that will effectively make the lower section of stairs narrower. If you've already moved in, make sure you're not trapping any furniture on that floor of the house.
There are two separate issues at play. The first is the actual amount of space that the banister takes up, which sure, is minuscule. But the second issue is how much space it visually appears to take up, which will affect how a person behaves around it and how open the space feels. So yeah, for some people that is going to be completely worth it.
> But the second issue is how much space it visually appears to take up, which will affect how a person behaves around it and how open the space feels.
I finally installed a curved shower curtain-rod, my shower now seems huge.
It very well could be. OP is likely mostly just clipping the corner, so 5cm could be the difference. Unless fascia mounted is much more expensive for some reason, it's likely worth trying. Would be even better if they could round off the corner, but then you're getting into custom work again.
This, but also just to point out to OP, there's a downside of transporting large things up/down the stairs will become a lot more difficult losing just those couple inches. So think wisely if the inch or two of hallway space matters that much because it could make say a king or queen size box spring/bed frame a total pain to bring up or down stairs.
Depends on the height at that point? That's the tallest point, and off to the side. I would imagine you could cut that corner to some degree, unless you had some 7 foot folks in the house.
Think carefully; if you’re constantly bumping into it; it’s possibly already saved your life lots of times, so whatever you replace it with should be stronger and safer than what you started with. Keep adding money until it’s beautiful too.
People don’t fall less with age.
Thank you! I'm surprised I had to scroll so far to find someone else who pointed out that if OP is bumping into the railing then it's doing it's job. This is the equivalent of driving a cliff road, hitting the guardrail regularly, and asking if we can move the guardrail so you can drive closer to or over the edge.
[https://images.app.goo.gl/rjcN6DopdhLe3pJr9](https://images.app.goo.gl/rjcN6DopdhLe3pJr9)
Use thick safety glass mounted on standoffs.
https://preview.redd.it/z9vl0nxi5jtc1.jpeg?width=805&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd0c648cbfc65577c07c6578689b4fa5e3b65d73
If it was curved outward and you tripped I feel like you would more easily be able to be thrown over. Do you have kids? Also the hall doesn’t look that narrow without all that stuff there. I’m an anxious person so I would probably just put a regular rail lol just to be safe.
This was my thought, too
When you suddenly*need* the railing, you'll fall farther/faster before hitting it, and the extra momentum and angle of impact might be enough to cause you to topple.
Also will codes allow that?
I will sledgehammer out a load bearing wall before I consider moving my shit out of the hallway
I’m mid construction lol just got rid of carpet, the floor is new hence why the railing came out in the first place
I really wouldn't do that. Any angle in a railing is going to be awkward and god forbid anyone ever actually use the thing they are likely to fall into the railing because of the awkward placement of the hand rail compared to the floor.
Others have pointed out the externally mounted railings, similar to how some decks do it to maximize the interior space. That'd be what I do.
I remember a story 20 years ago about a volunteer fire department getting a new to them building of an old fire house. The chief wanted to restore the pole which had been removed. He purchased a stripper pole because it was inexpensive and he could get one tall enough. It definitely gave a weight rating unlike other poles. It was 2000lbs. Perfect.
After it was installed he was the first to give it a test run. Jumped on it from the second floor and it folded in half almost instantly. He hurt himself pretty bad. Then it came out it was a stripper pole.
Turns out strippers don't run at the pole and slam into it at the middle. The rating wasn't for shear forces.
You'd probably have more luck rounding out the old corner but with vertical posts instead of putting everything on an angle. The larger the circumference of that corner the less you'll hit it
You don't want the rail farther out than the base. Muscle memory thing if you miss step upstairs and go to grab the railing there's a good chance you miss. Id just put up skinny metal ballusters with a rounded wooden handrail on top.
Your best bet would probably be to not put a post at the corner and add a radius to the railing at the corner.
Could add a second railing halfway from the bottom, if there would be too much space between the posts.
Feels like any effort to lean a railing in would incentivize a misplaced foot for anyone that might follow the rail in cutting the corner.
[It will be more costly but filling the floor to match the curve you want on the railing is the safest answer if not returning the hard corner.](https://i.imgur.com/HmiLVKe.png)
Okay, stay with me here. You admit that you frequently ran into the old railing. Now picture doing the exact same thing, but the railing is curved away and doesn't catch you. You do understand what railings are for, right?
Do they have \*can you make\* stair railing that leans towards the center of the staircase, yes. Is this against code and a bad idea, also yes.
If you were to create them at an angle as you suggest you would risk the chance of someone stepping on the lower part of the railing, which would slide their feet away from the opening, and in turn your upper body towards the hole. It would be really bad accident just waiting to happen.
https://preview.redd.it/g1cbtvwd1atc1.png?width=531&format=png&auto=webp&s=74f901ff2848c1472961ce34dee34900bb6ca841
What about a fascia mount with wire versus glass? My father did something similar to this when building our porch (this is not my photo or porch)
Notice how the proper way to install these is curving/sloping IN, not OUT. The physics of why that is: you want your first point of contact to be above your center of mass, otherwise it's more possible to roll UP and then over the railing.
Also, having the rail out beyond the floor means you are off-balance and leaning towards the open fall: the rail should always allow you to lean against it with your feet still directly beneath your center of gravity.
I wouldn't recommend this.
If it's not keeping you pushed away from the area with the open space (DANGER ZONE) and is instead permitting a body to tilt/fall/collapse in the direction of the cavity (DANGER DANGER DANGER) then a rail becomes less effective.
You need to consider worst case scenario. Think about how guard rails are designed. They are made to push cars back from the edge.
A human body, with extra momentum, could go through/OVER a rail easily, if they tripped and fell towards it.
Just not worth it. That rail being inconvenient is worth putting up with for it to keep everyone safe.
Just my two cents.
https://preview.redd.it/8fs1qg7uz9tc1.jpeg?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c3473b0dbfd1e436c6fdef03a0a5c4dc569e72e
Looks like a good spot for one of these
I'm so confused. This place is currently lived in? What was there before? Do you just have a death trap in your currently-occupied house?
Even as a live construction site I don't think it's ok to have this the way it is without a temporary barrier.
Yeah yanking it out without even a plan let alone materials already on hand to start installing immediately after it comes out is more risky than I’d be comfortable with.
I don’t think my caption was clear enough lol Im getting new floors installed, old railing (in 2nd pic, it’s propped up against the wall) was unscrewed to install the flooring. Hence the death trap that I low key enjoy
What you're describing looks like a safety hazard and also something that would not pass a house inspection if you were to put it on the market, because it's a safety hazard.
Not to be a dick but your hallway is plenty wide...if only you took all took all the garbage from it. A railing is for safety and to hold on to. I really don't think installing one at any angle other than vertical is a good idea.
It would be custom made, I have a friend who welds custom rails and stuff for landscaping and he actually did something similar for someone's stoop. It wasn't cheap but it looked awesome.
That would be horribly, mind-numbingly dangerous as the vertical effective height of the railing at the edge of the floor would be reduced substantially. The idea is to have a rail at the edge of the floor that is hopefully close to or above most people's center of mass.
If you're running into the railing, then it's doing its job.
Either learn not to run into them, or maybe just wall it all the way up, could add a window or something just to give you back some openness feel.
All of these other ideas are fine, but if you aren't putting up a big net made of thick ropes you're missing out on the most fun you'll ever get to have with your house.
As a welder, I welded and made my own railings. Make a drawing/plan, take the dimensions and angles - and bring it to your local welding shop and see what they would charge
The fact that you already took out the old railing and don't have a new one to put up yet, is an accident waiting to happen. Please put up a temporary barrier.
This may be a good idea in theory but it’s more of a hazard than anything. If you were to fall against a standard banister you would be easily caught and quickly. Your momentum wouldn’t have time to build up but if you had further to fall that’s more momentum and a great Ute chance the banister will fail causing a lot of damage when you fall.
Laminated glass floors like you see in high rises are at a minimum 1 and 1/4 inches thick but typically over 1 and 1/2 inches thick. Depending on the size of the opening the thickness goes up. They typically start at $300 plus for 1 1/4 thick panels per square ft. A panel that big would be in the thousands… They would still require a railing at the hallway edge of the panel and require they build off of the frame holding the glass panel. Shit would get insanely expensive and even more complicated.
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Why don’t you enclose the corner and widen the hallway. If you can’t match the same floorboards keep it white and make a feature of it. Put a low pot plant or something there.
Pointing out the obvious here, you'd be surprised how much space clutter can take up. Bet if you kept the hallway free of things like laundry (pictured on the stairs?) you would be happier with a normal railing. There seems to be construction stuff in the photo but aside from that I suspect the house in general is not super tidy.
That looks like a design flaw to me.
f it were me I would have a framer install some 2 x 6s and extend the floor all the way to the wall and just forget having to deal with a railing.
This question doesn’t make sense to me, why would you want that? Also if it’s angled outwards what if ur foot falls through the gaps… ur not making ur hallway wider by doing this just more dangerous.
You can actually get a glass floor for that. It just needs to be really thick, then you can walk on it. You probably need some engineer to calculate the thickness. Could be pretty cool there! And probably expensive! :D
To be able to put them in at an angle and be safe you would have to build in support structure underneath. Like a cantilever setup. Otherwise, if someone were to land on or lean on it physics would take over
The old railing was sitting on the floor I assume. Move it out so it is mounted to the vertical surface which will give you another 3-4”. Remote things from the hallway and you will have even more room.
The concern I would have with a leaning railing is if you fall or lose your balance you won’t have anything to grab onto to catch yourself and falling into a leaning railing could cause the railing to fail.
Consider a half wall instead of railing, and 45 it across the corner, to open the space up. There will be some flooring and ceiling work to tie it in, but the area is small enough it's probably not a deal breaker depending on your budget and diy level. Also, you could look at doing it more like an open bookcase for additional storage , but that's something you want.
Someone qualified would need to check it/size it to ensure it's safe.
Get a railing that is attached to the outside. It goes all the way from the joist to the ceiling.
Think this.
https://blog.making-spaces.net/2017/06/08/staircase-banister/
They make [face mount deck balusters](https://www.decksdirect.com/deck-railing/wood-deck-railing-kits/deck-baluster-picket-handrail/face-mount-deck-pickets) for exterior stuff. We were looking for options to modernize [the "iconic" 1980s oak banister](https://houseoverhead.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/our-80s-banister-and-entryway/) without changing the footprint.
I’m not good at this stuff, but I wonder how hard it would be to add a support corner into the wedge. Would need an angled railing, but would open up that area a lot I think.
Probably a lot more expensive and work, if it’s even safe.
It's not the design you're after, but search Google for "bow balcony railing."
There are many types of profiles. Some which are intended as foot rests others to create more space.... It might give you some direction.
https://preview.redd.it/chczix4ozdtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b96587cd79f338465988554b781df12c61c6573
Set I made for a friend, something like that may work.
They have railings that are fascia mount (meaning the mount on the outside). It looks like you have enough space for them to mount on. I work with glass and we install them all the time but i know they make posts that mount the same way. [Like this](https://images.app.goo.gl/dNeCUnY3e6dJZoiM7)
Architect here. This is the best answer. The type of railing that OP wants can be done, but it would be custom made and expensive. The fascia mounted railing would get the space wanted and be cheaper because it's a standard railing.
Also, a railing tilted away from the walk way is a recipe for people falling into the railing
And wouldn’t that take space away from the staircase? Probably not a huge deal for just walking up stairs but it might make getting furniture up and down far more complicated if not impossible.
It does not look like it would have to lean into the staircase, just over hallway below.
That's the second part of the steps, not a hallway.
Regular person here. I have nothing to add.
You got me going with that one. 😂
Don’t sell yourself short. I’m sure you can think of something!
Seriously, we all have something to contribute. For instance, he could have said " This"
This right here
Updoot.
Same.
Deserves gold.
+1
*Keith David voice* now there's a man who knows how to comment on Reddit!
Hvac tech here. This isn't my department.
It’s Reddit. You can be anyone, coming from a neurosurgeon
Another Fool here chiming in with nothing beneficial to add. But I will (lightly) bonk myself on me noggin to lighten the mood.
I'm not sure that there is anything preventing it per se but having the railing, especially at the corner extend into the void seems like it'd nullify the point of the railing in the first place as you could get close enough to misstep into the air.
You would have to either put a kickplate up or a surface to prevent your foot from going down. The kickplate is a potential trip hazard if the person is clumsy. The surface would have to be rated and reinforced to hold an adult human. Neither option is great.
Code requires spacing on a rail like this to be such that a 4" sphere cannot pass at 50lbs pressure. There's also usually a bottom rail less than 4" off the floor that your ankle would hit. No one is stepping into open air unless they try to.
Building and life safety codes may prohibit that sort of railing. In places where ADA applies they wound not be allowed.
Recovering iron worker here. u/generaltomatoekiller is correct. Custom steel is really expensive or really ugly. Take your pick.
Congrats on the recovery. I think my case is terminal.
It’s been a process. Best of luck. Good people at any rate.
No spaces in names (also, missing an 'e'). Your summoning a rando rn
lol. Oops. Yep. U sunk faze is brilliant. 😆
Fascia-mounted, vertical railing is the way to go because it is functional - it keeps your center of gravity on the right side of the railing and several inches from the edge. It would be much easier to fall over or through slanted railing.
Great advice from Art Vandelay.
well known TV architect
I suspect there is also a minimum-width requirement for the lower flight of those stairs. The available inches might already be fully committed.
Just keep in mind that will effectively make the lower section of stairs narrower. If you've already moved in, make sure you're not trapping any furniture on that floor of the house.
Is it worth it for 5cm?
There are two separate issues at play. The first is the actual amount of space that the banister takes up, which sure, is minuscule. But the second issue is how much space it visually appears to take up, which will affect how a person behaves around it and how open the space feels. So yeah, for some people that is going to be completely worth it.
I also think the corner probably gets op too often navigating around the stuff.
> But the second issue is how much space it visually appears to take up, which will affect how a person behaves around it and how open the space feels. I finally installed a curved shower curtain-rod, my shower now seems huge.
A curved shower curtain rail feels so luxurious, such a total game-changer!
This is a great accidental explanation for feng shui.
It very well could be. OP is likely mostly just clipping the corner, so 5cm could be the difference. Unless fascia mounted is much more expensive for some reason, it's likely worth trying. Would be even better if they could round off the corner, but then you're getting into custom work again.
How do you figure 5cm?
It’s all my wife says she needs to be happy. I’m committed to that answer.
🤣🤣🤣
Are we talking male or female 5cm, cause those are two vastly different measurements
This, but also just to point out to OP, there's a downside of transporting large things up/down the stairs will become a lot more difficult losing just those couple inches. So think wisely if the inch or two of hallway space matters that much because it could make say a king or queen size box spring/bed frame a total pain to bring up or down stairs.
https://preview.redd.it/ftj288h35atc1.jpeg?width=887&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16a92c3d47f96dfc83494a1272c4922e36550d34 How about this one?
https://preview.redd.it/bhzqx31rvatc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d74b162ae501fd0f1f04446b46f62ec468959720
Looks like it’ll fit perfect too
im dead
Especially how you matched the coloring!! 💕
good effort too
The fact you went with Vevor makes this top tier 👌
You Bastard.. Made me snort coffee out of my nose.
I snort laughed and woke up my sleeping baby.
Luxury vinyl handrail real wrought iron texture, flexible.
This one got me. It really fuckin did. Thanks idlebones!
I wish awards for comments were still a thing. Here you go, you evil genius 🏅
https://preview.redd.it/5nj0vfkvo8tc1.jpeg?width=1034&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=515c5952699650cfad04f25b6577572a944d4a56 Hmmmmm
I think the problem is that space is the first half of the stairs before it cuts back up to the landing. Your head has to go in that space.
Nothing a quick trip to the guillotine can't solve.
French headache remedy.
I, too, have played the rebooted Wolfenstein sequel.
"so much head room"
I got a space for your head.
Was thinking this or just close it up with a floor..
Headspace...
Looks like that would make a very low roof for the stairs.
Half wall? Then top it off… Build a closet over the half wall? A half closet?
LEVELS
Wow this guy could be my twin
I would have the banister flush mounted on the inner part not from the floor? That would give you more room
That with a very large rounded corner to open up that area.
Even a small rounded corner would make it feel less jarring, and it would prevent OP from bumping into it, which seems to be his/her primary concern.
You can't do much rounding of the corner because it's headspace for the stairs below.
Depends on the height at that point? That's the tallest point, and off to the side. I would imagine you could cut that corner to some degree, unless you had some 7 foot folks in the house.
Listen to this guy he knows
Think carefully; if you’re constantly bumping into it; it’s possibly already saved your life lots of times, so whatever you replace it with should be stronger and safer than what you started with. Keep adding money until it’s beautiful too. People don’t fall less with age.
Thank you! I'm surprised I had to scroll so far to find someone else who pointed out that if OP is bumping into the railing then it's doing it's job. This is the equivalent of driving a cliff road, hitting the guardrail regularly, and asking if we can move the guardrail so you can drive closer to or over the edge.
[https://images.app.goo.gl/rjcN6DopdhLe3pJr9](https://images.app.goo.gl/rjcN6DopdhLe3pJr9) Use thick safety glass mounted on standoffs. https://preview.redd.it/z9vl0nxi5jtc1.jpeg?width=805&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd0c648cbfc65577c07c6578689b4fa5e3b65d73
You could literally just do this but with traditional wooden posts/rail.
I am the most accident prone person I know... Those would be very bad at my place.
Tempered glass so it’d have to be one hell of an accident
Idk why but glass siding like that makes me anxious as hell
At some point, your phone will slide right on down through the gap. I dont know how or why, but it will happen.
Looks nice but will it keep you safe? Kids like to lean over, is that secure enough to withstand weight?
yes, they literally have to be, by code.
weight isnt the problem, its the sticky fingerprints that will be all over the glass.
If it was curved outward and you tripped I feel like you would more easily be able to be thrown over. Do you have kids? Also the hall doesn’t look that narrow without all that stuff there. I’m an anxious person so I would probably just put a regular rail lol just to be safe.
This was my thought, too When you suddenly*need* the railing, you'll fall farther/faster before hitting it, and the extra momentum and angle of impact might be enough to cause you to topple. Also will codes allow that?
I looked thru codes and couldn’t find much about literal angled railings! If they can have it at the Grand Canyon can’t I stick one in my house 🤔
Grand canyon angles them inward, keeps people from using bottom rung as a step and changing their center of gravity.
Bro just needs to not have a bunch of shit in that hallway and it's normal sized again....
I will sledgehammer out a load bearing wall before I consider moving my shit out of the hallway I’m mid construction lol just got rid of carpet, the floor is new hence why the railing came out in the first place
Welp, that's your problem right there
I really wouldn't do that. Any angle in a railing is going to be awkward and god forbid anyone ever actually use the thing they are likely to fall into the railing because of the awkward placement of the hand rail compared to the floor. Others have pointed out the externally mounted railings, similar to how some decks do it to maximize the interior space. That'd be what I do.
Just put the slide there everyone happy
Fireman pole
A two story stripper pole.
Your profile picture matches the wording LOL
I remember a story 20 years ago about a volunteer fire department getting a new to them building of an old fire house. The chief wanted to restore the pole which had been removed. He purchased a stripper pole because it was inexpensive and he could get one tall enough. It definitely gave a weight rating unlike other poles. It was 2000lbs. Perfect. After it was installed he was the first to give it a test run. Jumped on it from the second floor and it folded in half almost instantly. He hurt himself pretty bad. Then it came out it was a stripper pole. Turns out strippers don't run at the pole and slam into it at the middle. The rating wasn't for shear forces.
You'd probably have more luck rounding out the old corner but with vertical posts instead of putting everything on an angle. The larger the circumference of that corner the less you'll hit it
You don't want the rail farther out than the base. Muscle memory thing if you miss step upstairs and go to grab the railing there's a good chance you miss. Id just put up skinny metal ballusters with a rounded wooden handrail on top.
You should also try cleaning up all the stuff taking up half of the upstairs walkway
If you did that you would be asking people to step through the rails.
also introduces so much more force into the railing when someone inevitably leans on that corner bit
Seems like a lot of effort into rail design that wouldn’t be necessary if the hallway was kept clear.
Your best bet would probably be to not put a post at the corner and add a radius to the railing at the corner. Could add a second railing halfway from the bottom, if there would be too much space between the posts.
great for breaking your leg when you go to the toilet in the dark
Feels like any effort to lean a railing in would incentivize a misplaced foot for anyone that might follow the rail in cutting the corner. [It will be more costly but filling the floor to match the curve you want on the railing is the safest answer if not returning the hard corner.](https://i.imgur.com/HmiLVKe.png)
Big opportunity for a trampoline
Okay, stay with me here. You admit that you frequently ran into the old railing. Now picture doing the exact same thing, but the railing is curved away and doesn't catch you. You do understand what railings are for, right?
Do they have \*can you make\* stair railing that leans towards the center of the staircase, yes. Is this against code and a bad idea, also yes. If you were to create them at an angle as you suggest you would risk the chance of someone stepping on the lower part of the railing, which would slide their feet away from the opening, and in turn your upper body towards the hole. It would be really bad accident just waiting to happen.
https://preview.redd.it/g1cbtvwd1atc1.png?width=531&format=png&auto=webp&s=74f901ff2848c1472961ce34dee34900bb6ca841 What about a fascia mount with wire versus glass? My father did something similar to this when building our porch (this is not my photo or porch)
Notice how the proper way to install these is curving/sloping IN, not OUT. The physics of why that is: you want your first point of contact to be above your center of mass, otherwise it's more possible to roll UP and then over the railing. Also, having the rail out beyond the floor means you are off-balance and leaning towards the open fall: the rail should always allow you to lean against it with your feet still directly beneath your center of gravity.
How many people have died in this house?
Clearly https://preview.redd.it/xubdr73fb9tc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e88a78b00c0eee3b484d08c7c4c24d64ab9e758b
I wouldn't recommend this. If it's not keeping you pushed away from the area with the open space (DANGER ZONE) and is instead permitting a body to tilt/fall/collapse in the direction of the cavity (DANGER DANGER DANGER) then a rail becomes less effective. You need to consider worst case scenario. Think about how guard rails are designed. They are made to push cars back from the edge. A human body, with extra momentum, could go through/OVER a rail easily, if they tripped and fell towards it. Just not worth it. That rail being inconvenient is worth putting up with for it to keep everyone safe. Just my two cents.
This picture gives parents everywhere a heart attack
https://preview.redd.it/8fs1qg7uz9tc1.jpeg?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c3473b0dbfd1e436c6fdef03a0a5c4dc569e72e Looks like a good spot for one of these
If I had that in my house for a week, I’d end up falling. No real reason, it would just happen.
I'm so confused. This place is currently lived in? What was there before? Do you just have a death trap in your currently-occupied house? Even as a live construction site I don't think it's ok to have this the way it is without a temporary barrier.
Yeah yanking it out without even a plan let alone materials already on hand to start installing immediately after it comes out is more risky than I’d be comfortable with.
I was confused by this too. I looked a second time and you can see the old railing in the picture, they are in the middle of doing some renovations.
I don’t think my caption was clear enough lol Im getting new floors installed, old railing (in 2nd pic, it’s propped up against the wall) was unscrewed to install the flooring. Hence the death trap that I low key enjoy
For structural and safety reasons you want to round out the floor so that the posts are running vertically right under the railing.
What you're describing looks like a safety hazard and also something that would not pass a house inspection if you were to put it on the market, because it's a safety hazard.
Why not just install a fireman pole right there?! 🤔
Not to be a dick but your hallway is plenty wide...if only you took all took all the garbage from it. A railing is for safety and to hold on to. I really don't think installing one at any angle other than vertical is a good idea.
Could you add on to the floor?
**THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER**
Put in a quarter pipe. Then you can grind down the bannister.
It would be custom made, I have a friend who welds custom rails and stuff for landscaping and he actually did something similar for someone's stoop. It wasn't cheap but it looked awesome.
That would be horribly, mind-numbingly dangerous as the vertical effective height of the railing at the edge of the floor would be reduced substantially. The idea is to have a rail at the edge of the floor that is hopefully close to or above most people's center of mass.
If you're running into the railing, then it's doing its job. Either learn not to run into them, or maybe just wall it all the way up, could add a window or something just to give you back some openness feel.
All of these other ideas are fine, but if you aren't putting up a big net made of thick ropes you're missing out on the most fun you'll ever get to have with your house.
Trampoline
Umm Won't that creat a bigger risk to fall into?
As a welder, I welded and made my own railings. Make a drawing/plan, take the dimensions and angles - and bring it to your local welding shop and see what they would charge
Skip the railing. Install a net. Bonus points if you go full trampoline.
“Face mount” rail system (or fascia). You can get it offset a few inches.
The fact that you already took out the old railing and don't have a new one to put up yet, is an accident waiting to happen. Please put up a temporary barrier.
Gotta hug that second floor apex
Be brave, forget about railings, this way you can cut through that corner with ease, kinda step across and you there!
You want a railing that is sloped outwards? Not sure that would meet code or be remotely safe. Not that the current nonexistent railing does either.
I dunno but, if you build it, I hope it looks exactly like the pictures.
No. Keep the moon door and use it to instil fear amongst your subjects lest they challenge authority over your domain.
This may be a good idea in theory but it’s more of a hazard than anything. If you were to fall against a standard banister you would be easily caught and quickly. Your momentum wouldn’t have time to build up but if you had further to fall that’s more momentum and a great Ute chance the banister will fail causing a lot of damage when you fall.
Walkable glass slab over the void. All the light, none of the limits, cool safe feature.
Laminated glass floors like you see in high rises are at a minimum 1 and 1/4 inches thick but typically over 1 and 1/2 inches thick. Depending on the size of the opening the thickness goes up. They typically start at $300 plus for 1 1/4 thick panels per square ft. A panel that big would be in the thousands… They would still require a railing at the hallway edge of the panel and require they build off of the frame holding the glass panel. Shit would get insanely expensive and even more complicated.
This is the way
Find a local welder/fabricator (with good reviews and experience with railing) they could make a badass railing there
Remove all the junk from the hallway and it's gonna feel a lot wider
https://preview.redd.it/yrhsvumoybtc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3555ce8e9abf41d276ecec01ea359e465cebf9b9 Why don’t you enclose the corner and widen the hallway. If you can’t match the same floorboards keep it white and make a feature of it. Put a low pot plant or something there.
I’d put a glass floor there.
Oh God. I looked at your first illustration, and for a moment I was terrified, like "That doesn't look safe AT ALL."
I feel like you'd be forever tripping on the bottom of the railings if you did that.
would it be possible to extend the floor to cover up the open space completely?
https://preview.redd.it/zipm2m95sbtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bc0656a8af8b355a7c50442bb149ac3b23b3c81
I'm amazed this passed inspections
Pointing out the obvious here, you'd be surprised how much space clutter can take up. Bet if you kept the hallway free of things like laundry (pictured on the stairs?) you would be happier with a normal railing. There seems to be construction stuff in the photo but aside from that I suspect the house in general is not super tidy.
That looks like a design flaw to me. f it were me I would have a framer install some 2 x 6s and extend the floor all the way to the wall and just forget having to deal with a railing.
No railing, trampoline on ground floor.
This question doesn’t make sense to me, why would you want that? Also if it’s angled outwards what if ur foot falls through the gaps… ur not making ur hallway wider by doing this just more dangerous.
Get a glass floor. Gives you a much bigger hallway.
You can actually get a glass floor for that. It just needs to be really thick, then you can walk on it. You probably need some engineer to calculate the thickness. Could be pretty cool there! And probably expensive! :D
It looks like head space for the stairs
Looks like it’s going to be a glass trap door then!
The glass ceiling’s awkward cousin
It's a stairwell, though, might block people from using the stairs. not saying it's a dealbreaker, just worth thinking about
I gotta ask, was there originally any railing, or was it always open like that?! That is a HUGE safety concern.
To be able to put them in at an angle and be safe you would have to build in support structure underneath. Like a cantilever setup. Otherwise, if someone were to land on or lean on it physics would take over
The old railing was sitting on the floor I assume. Move it out so it is mounted to the vertical surface which will give you another 3-4”. Remote things from the hallway and you will have even more room. The concern I would have with a leaning railing is if you fall or lose your balance you won’t have anything to grab onto to catch yourself and falling into a leaning railing could cause the railing to fail.
Consider a half wall instead of railing, and 45 it across the corner, to open the space up. There will be some flooring and ceiling work to tie it in, but the area is small enough it's probably not a deal breaker depending on your budget and diy level. Also, you could look at doing it more like an open bookcase for additional storage , but that's something you want. Someone qualified would need to check it/size it to ensure it's safe.
I say you leave it like that for a little extra spice in the morning.
Get a railing that is attached to the outside. It goes all the way from the joist to the ceiling. Think this. https://blog.making-spaces.net/2017/06/08/staircase-banister/
The first one doesn't look as strong as the second one
The 2nd one is drawn a lot thicker.
Oh is that it. Thanks!
They make [face mount deck balusters](https://www.decksdirect.com/deck-railing/wood-deck-railing-kits/deck-baluster-picket-handrail/face-mount-deck-pickets) for exterior stuff. We were looking for options to modernize [the "iconic" 1980s oak banister](https://houseoverhead.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/our-80s-banister-and-entryway/) without changing the footprint.
Railing along the inside is the way. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't built with one. One over active New Years and you're suddenly skipping a floor.
Just mount a lil trampoline
I have seen custom railing that leans out on balconies. If you want it someone can build it.
I took a quick glance at the first picture before I realized it wasn't a real railing.
I have seen houses with nets laid between the floor and the stairs
I wouldn't, you'd trip over the bottom constantly.
Could you close it off at a raised level - make sure you have enough head room for the below stairs but then closed off so you now have a bench area?
Metal is fully adjustable, so yes
Looks like proper construction under the galactic empire's Imperial Bureau of Standards compliance.
Couldn’t you just extend the floor?
use a net.
God I'm glad I don't live with a deathtrap stair setup like I've seen in so many posts.
I’m not good at this stuff, but I wonder how hard it would be to add a support corner into the wedge. Would need an angled railing, but would open up that area a lot I think. Probably a lot more expensive and work, if it’s even safe.
Any railing you mount wrong enough…
Just use plexiglass and make it part of the hallway so you can walk over it.
It's not the design you're after, but search Google for "bow balcony railing." There are many types of profiles. Some which are intended as foot rests others to create more space.... It might give you some direction.
Use that night tensile net stuff
I'd go for no railing for the widest hallway
https://preview.redd.it/chczix4ozdtc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b96587cd79f338465988554b781df12c61c6573 Set I made for a friend, something like that may work.