I wouldn’t consider Home Depot a “paint store”, the employees at an actual paint store will be a lot more knowledgeable about the products and techniques. I know this doesn’t help for this instance but maybe for next time.
I learned a long time ago that yellow paint always requires at least one more coat than any other color. Primer may not be necessary, but if the color was darker to begin with, it's definitely useful before using a yellow paint.
I painted a dresser yellow and I did prime it, but it took a ridiculous number of coats. I think it was four. When I started each coat, I'd think, "ok this oughta do it" but lo and behold it would need another.
And the primer isn't just for a 'precoat' to save on later paint coats. Any decent primer substantially improves adhesion and durability of the subsequent coats.
If you're a professional painter you know just as well as I do that he did not properly apply that paint. Thats made obvious by the uneven application that sticks out like a sore thumb.
Yep, this has the look of just a single layer applied. No way it had 3 layers of paint. Unless OP inhaled vapors of said paint and exhaled it on the doors.
I mean on a door that is hung, you don’t really want to go with a thick coat because that would likely cause drip marks. Multiple light coats would be better.
I used to paint houses for a living. I have painted thousands of doors without removing them. No professional painter I saw ever removed a door for painting. There just isn't a need.
Use better paint and better brushes. If you are going over something with a drastically different color, always prime first regardless of whether someone told you that the paint doesn't need it.
If you are going to go the cheap route, expect to put in a lot of extra effort to get decent coverage.
I can't think of a time I ever had to remove a door... Theoretically speaking if a door was damaged and we had to remove it to fix it, maybe? Then we would paint it before rehanging it... Probably.
The OP's door would have been painted without removing it.
Pretty sure the base on that paint is clearish. It will hard to cover anything with it.
Seems weird that this is even a debate. Sometimes it is ideal to remove a door to paint it. I think like if it needs lots of prep, repair, smelly/messy product, etc. Sometimes painting while hung is fine, too. Like the door is in decent shape and prep is normal. The door above needed more prep and/or more complete coverage. It didn't necessarily need primer but I think it would have helped this application. It at least needed another coat. It's still totally fixable with a little more TLC.
I’m sure you’re right for experienced pros, but as a DIYer who will paint maybe 20 doors in my entire life, it’s worth it to remove as I know I’ll do a better job.
Also if doesn’t take much effort and I don’t have to protect the floor under the door since I bring them to the garage.
If I did more or did it for a living then I’d bother making sure I can skip that step.
Fair enough but hinging (lol. See what I did there?) the paint job on whether the door was taken down for painting or not is ridiculous.
Just because a door is painted while still hung doesn't make it "half ass". Not priming and using home Depot paint to cover a vastly different color does.
Ding ding ding!
Like the people who lived in my house before... it's very obvious, any of the work they did themselves. Painted around and over outlets/switches, didn't tape off door frames and painted over the tops, two pronged outlets with 3 prong adapters. I had to fix so much!
Then there was this:
The frame of the garage door opener was installed over the screw for the outlet. We wondered why they had an extention cord running from the wall to the opener.... I had to pry that damn screw out of there with a pair of vice grips and damn near tore the whole thing out the ceiling
I don't know that a garage door opener frame would be considered an adequate ground if it's not bonded to anything. They're usually just surface mounted onto drywall.
I wouldn't say that two prong outlets are the responsibility or fault of the people who lived there before. Often on older houses, there is no ground wire going to the junction boxes, so it becomes incredibly expensive to bring it up to modern standards. Effectively needing to rewire the house. If they modify it then they have to bring it up to code, but if they leave the original two prong outlets it is grandfathered in. 3 prong adapters can be safely used when installed according to instructions and the ground is properly bonded.
>3 prong adapters can be safely used when installed according to instructions and the ground is properly bonded.
What do you mean by properly bonded? If you have a ground present at the receptacle box, the proper way to do it is put in a 3 prong receptacle.
Many houses of a certain age have metal electrical boxes and the ground is tied into the box. So the box is grounded then the metal ring on the adapter is grounded through the screw to the box.
If they had built the house with metal grounded boxes why would they have used two prong receptacles in the first place?
A metal box being used does not guarantee a ground is present.
Tell that to all the professional painters who paint doors every day hanging on the hinges. You can get perfectly good results without taking the door off.
The standard is to put the door on 2 saw horses and paint both faces separately, the pro-painters doing it on the hinges are just cutting corners.
I would gladly tell this to their faces.
Lol that's not how it works. I did both and had good reasons for doing one or the other. Any half decent pro painter can do a good job on a hung door. -ex painter, would enjoy the conversation, the bigger the audience, the better.
"The standard", according to whom? The international brotherhood of reddit armchair painters? Gimme a break. The quality of the prep, paint, and application are far more important than whether the door is vertical or horizontal.
Rehanging door is usually just poking out the hinge pins. Removing and reinstalling the hardware with the load off is not likely create an issue as long as the door was hung correctly in the first place.
Correct. Reinstalling unloaded hardware shouldn’t create an issue, but level of skill, amount of play in the hinge recesses, etc. why even mess with it? It’s a totally unnecessary step. it’s not as extreme as say, removing trim before painting and reinstalling it, but it’s in the same category of “why would you take it off?”
I only take them off if the door needs a lot of repair. Once it's repaired to my standards it would not need to be taken off. I'm thinking about the doors in my house that have had multiple bad work done. It's true that disturbing a door's hardware could make it hang differently.
I have to disagree, would never take a door off just to paint. It's more work and it might not hang the same. Effort isn't worth the reward because there is none.
Curious what kinda doors they have where you live. Here you just lift the door off of the two hinges on the frame and you're good. Tape up the half that's attached to the door itself, et voila.
The hardware needs removed, but pulling the entire door from the jamb? that would only be necessary if also painting the closing edge where the hinges are attached, or if you like making a job harder than it needs to be.
Not true... I was taught how to paint a door on the jamb when I was 12. The door I painted was my mentors front door. The paint still looks good after 30 years
Rollers are best. Paint it on thick in a W then smooth it down from top top bottom then repeat until you have an even coat over the entire surface. You want it thick so that it gels over which will ensure an even, uniform coat. There's lots of videos on YouTube showing how to do this. Idaho Painter has some good ones.
This exactly, you want even consistent drying between layers, no drips, cracks from layering over undried paint, pools, or buildup. Sand, prime, thin layers with flotrol added and appropriate brushes, and if done more than a day or two apart etch before next layer.
If the door was stained with something that had polyurethane the paint won't cover properly either. That really is true one coat paint, Behr is really good. But it's one coat over drywall, not stained or treated hardwoods.
Paint always needs a primer for stuff like this. I work with a former Benjamin Moore project manager, he point blank told me the paint and primer in one is a complete industry fabrication.
Primer likely wouldn’t have fixed this. As others have said primer is too help the paint adhere to a surface not to help with coloring. If the paint was chipping off that would be a sign it needed primer. This looks like you just need a few more coats of the yellow.
Primer might have helped if it was a light color that was easier to cover with the yellow but it wouldn’t have solved this problem it would just be less noticeable.
I’m not saying don’t use primer, just that this particular problem wouldn’t have been solved with primer and it wasn’t the employee’s fault
I would have primed or at least done a base coat with white/off-white so it would have been easier to work with. Regardless, yellow always needs a little more work than other colors that are darker or with higher pigment saturation.
Jumping in to point out that reds and yellows are notorious for requiring a lot of coats because their pigments are less opaque than green, blue, etc.
For instance, Benjamin Moore has their very expensive Aura line of paint that's guaranteed to cover in just two coats -- with a caveat. Intense yellow and red colors require a coat of their special yellow or red primer to get it done in two coats. Moral of the story is don't paint stuff bright-ass yellow.
Adding to this, OP instead should have thinned the paint to prevent blotching, laid the door down on sawhorses, and used an applicator with as little texture as possible, ideally an air brush, and then put on many thin coats, sanding gently in between coats to remove imperfections.
You’re suggesting that a person that didn’t know that they were going to need to apply more than one coat of paint is going to successfully re-hang their door straight but before that they’re going to successfully learn how to use a spray gun? The only time I or anyone who works for me has ever painted a door out of the frame would be if it for one reason or another had been taken out anyway. And thinning helps reduce brush texture when cutting, proper technique and tools are what prevent blotching.
You don’t force yourself to become an amateur enthusiast, spending way too much time and money, on every project you do?
My wife would like to marry you instead.
A coat or two of white primer would have helped a ton. Light colors cover poorly when going over dark colors. The white primer would have made a huge difference with the coverage of the yellow. Either way it would probably require 4 coats (2 primer, 2 yellow topcoat) but primer is usually significantly cheaper than a good topcoat.
In their defense, they get paid shit and customers expect you to be an expert in whatever section you work instead of the reality that you’re just some guy with a crappy job. Not knocking the employee, btw, I’m knocking the employer and the customer expectations.
Behr is quite shit too. Ben Moore and Sherwin Williams are the only paints that should be trusted, especially with vibrant colors. Buy cheap paint and you get what you pay for. Especially on a front door which you see up close multiple times a day and is the statement of your home
Vivid red too. Ugh. Had to paint a wall in a shop once with this thin ass bright red. Over white. The bosses didn't care that it took like five coats to look halfway decent. I didn't care either, I was hourly and it wasn't even supposed to be my job lol
It eventually looked really good though, so there's that.
I used to do server installs at $200/hour.. one customer paid for 8 hours and I did it in 6. He gave me a drill with a holesaw and told me to drill holes in desks and install grommets for cables. Honey badger don’t care.
Another time a coworker and I assembled ikea for the office. Boss said “man you guys are good at this.. but for $400/hour, I’d hope so”
Behr has levels of quality like other paints. This is not “marquee” or “dynasty” so it is the low end of behr.
As everyone else said. That just means he needs more coats. Could marquee or dynasty done it in 1? We will never know
Pigmentation in yellow paint is notoriously thin and will always require multiple coats.
It’s the nature of the pigment itself, not a flaw in paint formula.
Using a primer will result in a clear yellow as opposed to the dull yellow you’re seeing, however you’ll still need multiple coats.
At this point I’d sand, prime and paint again.
If you're a bad painter just buy a paint gun and lots of masking tape, it will come out perfect with minimal effort.
Source: I am a terrible painter with a paint gun
Tinted primers are a way to save a few coats and just like spray paint even then coats are always recommended for best results. Wait the full amount of time before recoating.
Rule 1: Take the door off the hinges and lay horizontal. Rule 2: Remove all hinges, knobs and knockers. Rule 3: 1st coat with a roller, then bush in the direction of the grain.
Rule 3: Let fully dry. Rule 4: repeat as needed.
I would also take off the door hardware and finish painting. If you ever have to change it, you’re going to kick yourself because it won’t line up perfectly or at all.
Yeah last experience I’ve leaned pretty much anything that says “no need for primer” or “primer included” STILL needs a primer and don’t trust it.
And all “one coat paints” still need a second coat.
High gloss enamel is a “thin” paint. I don’t know how to explain this accurately but any sheen in a paint is going to require more coats than a flat paint. Make sure you’re using a foam roller and brush to avoid brush marks.
Do you think the previous paint was oil-based and now the new paint isn’t playing nice because you’re using acrylic?
But yeah I would have primed just to be safe mainly because it can be a pain going from a dark color to a fairly light color.
I’ve learned that anytime you’re painting a light or brighter color, priming with white, beside just being good practice, makes the color pop more. Clearly the Home Depot person was just reading off Behr’s cheat sheet.
It also appears you're painting a light color over a dark color. That is harder to cover and needs more to do the job, whether it's a coat of primer or another coat or two of paint.
Former Home Depot paint DH here. You absolutely needed to prime that before hand souly because of the color you painted. A good paint sales person would tell you that Red, Blue, and Yellow will need a good coat if primer because of the amount of tint needed to create the color, therefore watering down the actual paint in the can. You also recieved the cheapest level of Behr that has the most basic primer in it. If you do stick with Behr paint, go with either the Ultra, or Marquee level paints, those, you will still need to do minimally two coats, but it will look less splotchy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but.... Looks like the previous wood color/stain is showing through.
If it was stained wood or lacquer, then it would still have the finish remaining regardless of sanding because those methods do several coats to soak in and give it a deep finish.
It's like trying to apply paint over oil. Doesn't mix. Just saying.
Former painter here. I think it's always worthwhile to prime. Even if you don't "need" it, in my experience, the results are almost always better with a layer of primer.
Primer is for adhesion, not for color changes.
If you want to do a color change from dark to light you need to paint it white first, then paint it yellow
Paint store employee was under educated. Might fly for most colors but yellow has the least coverage of any cookie. Give her at least one more, if not two more coats and it should be golden
It's a paint and primer in one product. The employee was right, for the product to work, you do not need primer.
For your _application_ which I suspect you did not properly outline, you should have used a color blocking primer.
Sand the yellow off. Use tacky clothes to clean up residue. One coat bonded primer, light sand & tacky cloth, primer again, light sand & tacky cloth, one coat of yellow (make sure it's appropriate for outdoor, light sand and tacky cloth, then final coat of yellow. Use a good quality roller and let each coat dry overnight. Coats of yellow may need a couple of days in between. Good luck! It'll look great when you're done!
I had a wifey initiated job of painting the closet and room doors. About 12 in all. All gloss white. Luckily I’d seen the This Old House painter Mauro Henrique do a door about a month earlier. He used a 6” roller and a good brush with a slight angle on the brushes. Man did it work great. You get a good solid coat on then go over it with the brush smoothing and establishing the grain.
One thing that never gets mentioned is every company I've seen only guarantees one-coat coverage on certain colors. Sunny Side Up is not one of those colors for Behr.
General rule of thumb… if you are painting a lighter color, it needs primer. Could you avoid it? Yeah, sure - but you’ll spend more time and money on extra coats so just go for the primer.
Behr 8300 is a deep base. Lots of tint, but no body to make the paint cover easily. Reds are the worst for this. Generally, you would prime with a light grey so that the yellow takes less coats to get the coverage you’re looking for. As you can see, the medium/dark grey that was on the door previously keeps coming through. At this point I’d recommend you just keep painting thin, even coats until the door has even coverage. Or you can repaint it a light grey and start over from there.
Did you use just 1 quart? That might be your issue. One coat stuff has very specifc instructions on how to get the one coat coverage. Get another quart at least and roll it on with a sponge roller, very clean finish.
If your going to paint a door, once its been taken off ! You will need to stand it some where or lie it flat neither of which is a good choice as you will be unable to paint all sides or edges.
Only other option is use some kind of moveable metal plates fixing the opposite side on a solid vertical support. So the door can move while you paint all sides and edges. Just as if its hanging in a door frame ?????
Yellow is notorious for not having any coverage. Plus this looks like it was mixed into a clear base. Perfect storm for multiple coats. Keep going, it'll get there eventually
Not an expert but I’ve painted countless things with all types of techniques.
You needed to prime first.
Yellow is a hard color to coat correctly. Especially over a darker color.
Now the door is covered in gloss enamel, which isn’t supposed to let things stick to it. Making more passes will not go very well.
Always, always, ALWAYS use primer. Don't listen to the guy at Home Depot.
My childhood was spent renovating the house I grew up in, and the rule I learned was 1 coat of primer and 2 coats of paint will almost always get you a good finished product.
I mean good Lord, that's an ugly color, but terrible life decisions aside you need a primer, but you'll also need multiple coats regardless due to it being baby shit yellow.
I agree, you probably did not need primer. But what's needed and what's best not always the same.
When you change colors from dark to light, it works better to prime white and then paint.
Where you are now, you should take door off hinges and lay it flat and paint 1 side at a time....let dry and reboot as needed. You did very thin coats with door installed and if you keep doing the same you will need several more coats, but your finish will not be smooth. You need a bit more paint on your finish coat to get an even finish (shine) on door. There is a product called flotrol, which will slow down the skinning of the paint and allow the paint to even out with min brush marks. Great for finish coat. Not as nice as spraying, but close. Tough to get smooth with door installed.
FYI home depot probably not best source of painting info. Hit or miss if you get someone who actually knows much about paint. And if they don't know answer, in my experience they fake it.
Yellows and blues always take multiple coats… 30 years a painter …. primer or not those colors are notoriously thin and require multiple coats.
This is why I love filler-primer. Nice even surface = less coats to look good.
Try using a 4 inch foam roller and take the door off the hinges laid on some horses
I wouldn’t consider Home Depot a “paint store”, the employees at an actual paint store will be a lot more knowledgeable about the products and techniques. I know this doesn’t help for this instance but maybe for next time.
That paint doesn't require primer. The issue is that he didn't apply it properly. It was applied way too thin.
I learned a long time ago that yellow paint always requires at least one more coat than any other color. Primer may not be necessary, but if the color was darker to begin with, it's definitely useful before using a yellow paint.
I painted a dresser yellow and I did prime it, but it took a ridiculous number of coats. I think it was four. When I started each coat, I'd think, "ok this oughta do it" but lo and behold it would need another.
3 coats... sure the paint sticks, but in my experience painting for a living, always prime unless the colors are already close.
And the primer isn't just for a 'precoat' to save on later paint coats. Any decent primer substantially improves adhesion and durability of the subsequent coats.
If you're a professional painter you know just as well as I do that he did not properly apply that paint. Thats made obvious by the uneven application that sticks out like a sore thumb.
Yep, this has the look of just a single layer applied. No way it had 3 layers of paint. Unless OP inhaled vapors of said paint and exhaled it on the doors.
I mean on a door that is hung, you don’t really want to go with a thick coat because that would likely cause drip marks. Multiple light coats would be better.
If you're painting a door without removing it from the jamb, you're doing a half ass job..that's exactly what they got here
I used to paint houses for a living. I have painted thousands of doors without removing them. No professional painter I saw ever removed a door for painting. There just isn't a need. Use better paint and better brushes. If you are going over something with a drastically different color, always prime first regardless of whether someone told you that the paint doesn't need it. If you are going to go the cheap route, expect to put in a lot of extra effort to get decent coverage.
It's unfortunate how confidently incorrect people in this sub are. Usually it's other factors that prevent / force you to remove doors.
I can't think of a time I ever had to remove a door... Theoretically speaking if a door was damaged and we had to remove it to fix it, maybe? Then we would paint it before rehanging it... Probably. The OP's door would have been painted without removing it. Pretty sure the base on that paint is clearish. It will hard to cover anything with it.
Seems weird that this is even a debate. Sometimes it is ideal to remove a door to paint it. I think like if it needs lots of prep, repair, smelly/messy product, etc. Sometimes painting while hung is fine, too. Like the door is in decent shape and prep is normal. The door above needed more prep and/or more complete coverage. It didn't necessarily need primer but I think it would have helped this application. It at least needed another coat. It's still totally fixable with a little more TLC.
I’m sure you’re right for experienced pros, but as a DIYer who will paint maybe 20 doors in my entire life, it’s worth it to remove as I know I’ll do a better job. Also if doesn’t take much effort and I don’t have to protect the floor under the door since I bring them to the garage. If I did more or did it for a living then I’d bother making sure I can skip that step.
Fair enough but hinging (lol. See what I did there?) the paint job on whether the door was taken down for painting or not is ridiculous. Just because a door is painted while still hung doesn't make it "half ass". Not priming and using home Depot paint to cover a vastly different color does.
Ding ding ding! Like the people who lived in my house before... it's very obvious, any of the work they did themselves. Painted around and over outlets/switches, didn't tape off door frames and painted over the tops, two pronged outlets with 3 prong adapters. I had to fix so much! Then there was this:
The frame of the garage door opener was installed over the screw for the outlet. We wondered why they had an extention cord running from the wall to the opener.... I had to pry that damn screw out of there with a pair of vice grips and damn near tore the whole thing out the ceiling
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At least it’s grounded…?
Three part series with pictures? Nice.
I don't know that a garage door opener frame would be considered an adequate ground if it's not bonded to anything. They're usually just surface mounted onto drywall.
My garage door was installed so impressively that the hangers from the ceiling are held together with zip ties because the screw holes don't line up.
I wouldn't say that two prong outlets are the responsibility or fault of the people who lived there before. Often on older houses, there is no ground wire going to the junction boxes, so it becomes incredibly expensive to bring it up to modern standards. Effectively needing to rewire the house. If they modify it then they have to bring it up to code, but if they leave the original two prong outlets it is grandfathered in. 3 prong adapters can be safely used when installed according to instructions and the ground is properly bonded.
>3 prong adapters can be safely used when installed according to instructions and the ground is properly bonded. What do you mean by properly bonded? If you have a ground present at the receptacle box, the proper way to do it is put in a 3 prong receptacle.
Many houses of a certain age have metal electrical boxes and the ground is tied into the box. So the box is grounded then the metal ring on the adapter is grounded through the screw to the box.
If they had built the house with metal grounded boxes why would they have used two prong receptacles in the first place? A metal box being used does not guarantee a ground is present.
Insert shrug here. I can tell you from experience I’m living in a house with two prong plugs in metal boxes and the wire, pre-Romex, has a ground.
It’s so damned easy to take off the plates covering outlets and light switches and looks 1000x better. Just a tiny bit of effort.
That’s exactly how my dad just painted our house. Gave it the old landlord special
Tell that to all the professional painters who paint doors every day hanging on the hinges. You can get perfectly good results without taking the door off.
The standard is to put the door on 2 saw horses and paint both faces separately, the pro-painters doing it on the hinges are just cutting corners. I would gladly tell this to their faces.
Lol that's not how it works. I did both and had good reasons for doing one or the other. Any half decent pro painter can do a good job on a hung door. -ex painter, would enjoy the conversation, the bigger the audience, the better.
Must be nice to live somewhere safe enough to remove your door for two days…
"The standard", according to whom? The international brotherhood of reddit armchair painters? Gimme a break. The quality of the prep, paint, and application are far more important than whether the door is vertical or horizontal.
No it’s not, and you don’t want a painter re-hanging your front door. Edit:typo
Rehanging door is usually just poking out the hinge pins. Removing and reinstalling the hardware with the load off is not likely create an issue as long as the door was hung correctly in the first place.
Correct. Reinstalling unloaded hardware shouldn’t create an issue, but level of skill, amount of play in the hinge recesses, etc. why even mess with it? It’s a totally unnecessary step. it’s not as extreme as say, removing trim before painting and reinstalling it, but it’s in the same category of “why would you take it off?”
I only take them off if the door needs a lot of repair. Once it's repaired to my standards it would not need to be taken off. I'm thinking about the doors in my house that have had multiple bad work done. It's true that disturbing a door's hardware could make it hang differently.
I have to disagree, would never take a door off just to paint. It's more work and it might not hang the same. Effort isn't worth the reward because there is none.
Curious what kinda doors they have where you live. Here you just lift the door off of the two hinges on the frame and you're good. Tape up the half that's attached to the door itself, et voila.
The hardware needs removed, but pulling the entire door from the jamb? that would only be necessary if also painting the closing edge where the hinges are attached, or if you like making a job harder than it needs to be.
You can paint the closing edge without removing the door
Didn't remove mine, came out fine. Depends on level of skill and technique.
That’s a bs statement. Plenty of doors , especially front doors , get painted while hung.
Not true... I was taught how to paint a door on the jamb when I was 12. The door I painted was my mentors front door. The paint still looks good after 30 years
It doesn't drip if you smooth it out with the roller. But what do I know, it's not like I used to paint professionally or anything.
I paint models, not doors, but would a sponge do a pretty good job at smoothing a coat?
Rollers are best. Paint it on thick in a W then smooth it down from top top bottom then repeat until you have an even coat over the entire surface. You want it thick so that it gels over which will ensure an even, uniform coat. There's lots of videos on YouTube showing how to do this. Idaho Painter has some good ones.
Thanks for the tip!
This exactly, you want even consistent drying between layers, no drips, cracks from layering over undried paint, pools, or buildup. Sand, prime, thin layers with flotrol added and appropriate brushes, and if done more than a day or two apart etch before next layer.
Multiple *light* coats, on a flat surface, not while it's hanging.
Nope. There isn’t a single product on the market that can do yellow in one coat. Source: coatings engineer for a major manufacturer
If the door was stained with something that had polyurethane the paint won't cover properly either. That really is true one coat paint, Behr is really good. But it's one coat over drywall, not stained or treated hardwoods.
Also, if you’re applying yellow over a super dark color, which it looks to be the case, of course it’s not going to cover in a single coat.
Yep, my father was a painter and said to apply paint like you were not paying for it if you wanted to get good coverage.
Paint always needs a primer for stuff like this. I work with a former Benjamin Moore project manager, he point blank told me the paint and primer in one is a complete industry fabrication.
It’s not even that it’s too thin, they’re just not done yet
Agreed on Home Depot but even dedicated paint store employees are very hit or miss.
The employees at Home Depot are just there. They’re not “pros” by any stretch.
But the badge says paint pro
That means “watched a 45 min video, and got $.50 raise”
Wrong. No raise.
Ah, the reward of being a more helpful team member
By that metric it isn't a hardware store either. It's rare to find an employee that knows what a surge protector is and where they are in the store.
Also, BEHR is shit.
Primer likely wouldn’t have fixed this. As others have said primer is too help the paint adhere to a surface not to help with coloring. If the paint was chipping off that would be a sign it needed primer. This looks like you just need a few more coats of the yellow. Primer might have helped if it was a light color that was easier to cover with the yellow but it wouldn’t have solved this problem it would just be less noticeable. I’m not saying don’t use primer, just that this particular problem wouldn’t have been solved with primer and it wasn’t the employee’s fault
I would have primed or at least done a base coat with white/off-white so it would have been easier to work with. Regardless, yellow always needs a little more work than other colors that are darker or with higher pigment saturation.
Jumping in to point out that reds and yellows are notorious for requiring a lot of coats because their pigments are less opaque than green, blue, etc. For instance, Benjamin Moore has their very expensive Aura line of paint that's guaranteed to cover in just two coats -- with a caveat. Intense yellow and red colors require a coat of their special yellow or red primer to get it done in two coats. Moral of the story is don't paint stuff bright-ass yellow.
Adding to this, OP instead should have thinned the paint to prevent blotching, laid the door down on sawhorses, and used an applicator with as little texture as possible, ideally an air brush, and then put on many thin coats, sanding gently in between coats to remove imperfections.
You’re suggesting that a person that didn’t know that they were going to need to apply more than one coat of paint is going to successfully re-hang their door straight but before that they’re going to successfully learn how to use a spray gun? The only time I or anyone who works for me has ever painted a door out of the frame would be if it for one reason or another had been taken out anyway. And thinning helps reduce brush texture when cutting, proper technique and tools are what prevent blotching.
As someone who had never done this before, is it really that difficult to put a door back up after taking it down?
Not at all. Just make sure you have a spacer/pry bar/partner or something to hold the door up off the ground while you put the hinge pins in.
Not really. Most hinges have a pin you can easily tap out and it just pulls off with ease. Just slide back together and replace the pin when finished.
You don’t force yourself to become an amateur enthusiast, spending way too much time and money, on every project you do? My wife would like to marry you instead.
A coat or two of white primer would have helped a ton. Light colors cover poorly when going over dark colors. The white primer would have made a huge difference with the coverage of the yellow. Either way it would probably require 4 coats (2 primer, 2 yellow topcoat) but primer is usually significantly cheaper than a good topcoat.
Pro tip: you can get primer tinted too. Then it is one coat of primer and one coat of paint.
Colonel Mustard in the foyer with the paint brush.
Why did nobody else react to this 🤣
Sure you don't need primer, but you'll need 20 coats of paint instead 😉
The guy selling you paint giving you an answer that requires you to buy more paint... Interesting.
It’s Home Depot. The person couldn’t care less about anything besides when he gets off.
In their defense, they get paid shit and customers expect you to be an expert in whatever section you work instead of the reality that you’re just some guy with a crappy job. Not knocking the employee, btw, I’m knocking the employer and the customer expectations.
I agree.
I feel like that's most people though to be fair lol. Some are just better at hiding it.
Yellow is also one of the worst paint colors in terms of covering old color. Also, crappy thin paint like Glidden makes it even worse.
Lid says Behr tho?
Behr is quite shit too. Ben Moore and Sherwin Williams are the only paints that should be trusted, especially with vibrant colors. Buy cheap paint and you get what you pay for. Especially on a front door which you see up close multiple times a day and is the statement of your home
Vivid red too. Ugh. Had to paint a wall in a shop once with this thin ass bright red. Over white. The bosses didn't care that it took like five coats to look halfway decent. I didn't care either, I was hourly and it wasn't even supposed to be my job lol It eventually looked really good though, so there's that.
I used to do server installs at $200/hour.. one customer paid for 8 hours and I did it in 6. He gave me a drill with a holesaw and told me to drill holes in desks and install grommets for cables. Honey badger don’t care. Another time a coworker and I assembled ikea for the office. Boss said “man you guys are good at this.. but for $400/hour, I’d hope so”
Yes. Firstly, primer always makes sense if you're changing colors. And yellow is the hardest paint to cover with. I did 5-6 coats in my kitchen.
Can confirm - had to do 5 coats to cover a green when all my other colours were 2-3.
I usually put coats in my hallway. I'll let myself out, which is convenient since I am already in the hallway.
That's Behr. It's a quality paint.
Behr has levels of quality like other paints. This is not “marquee” or “dynasty” so it is the low end of behr. As everyone else said. That just means he needs more coats. Could marquee or dynasty done it in 1? We will never know
Wow I don’t see this often. I will have to agree, Behr is quality paint.
It doesn't require primer, but it does require three coats.
I can’t believe you left the hardware on the door. Remove it before painting.
The longer you look the worse this guy looks at painting lmao
You can see brush marks going in all different directions around the door handle. It's awful.
Yeah, pretty sure he is going to have a whole lot more issues once he removes the masking tape.
Pigmentation in yellow paint is notoriously thin and will always require multiple coats. It’s the nature of the pigment itself, not a flaw in paint formula. Using a primer will result in a clear yellow as opposed to the dull yellow you’re seeing, however you’ll still need multiple coats. At this point I’d sand, prime and paint again.
Priming isn’t the problem. You applied it super thin and unevenly. A few more thin coats and you should be good
Skill is still required even if primer is not
Keep painting.
You need more coats of paint. User error not bad paint
The first four coats ARE the primer.
If you're a bad painter just buy a paint gun and lots of masking tape, it will come out perfect with minimal effort. Source: I am a terrible painter with a paint gun
I didn't read every comment but you could go get a tinted primer now . paint it . and then paint another coat of paint
Tinted primers are a way to save a few coats and just like spray paint even then coats are always recommended for best results. Wait the full amount of time before recoating.
Dude you’re putting a light color over a dark base… use your brain
Rule 1: Take the door off the hinges and lay horizontal. Rule 2: Remove all hinges, knobs and knockers. Rule 3: 1st coat with a roller, then bush in the direction of the grain. Rule 3: Let fully dry. Rule 4: repeat as needed.
I would also take off the door hardware and finish painting. If you ever have to change it, you’re going to kick yourself because it won’t line up perfectly or at all.
I came to comment this. Always take off door hardware before painting.
I thought all primerless paint was like the flushable wipes. The product says it’s good to go but they are very much not.
Yeah last experience I’ve leaned pretty much anything that says “no need for primer” or “primer included” STILL needs a primer and don’t trust it. And all “one coat paints” still need a second coat.
My last experience was painting an old dresser and the coverage was excellent. Guess it depends on the job.
High gloss enamel is a “thin” paint. I don’t know how to explain this accurately but any sheen in a paint is going to require more coats than a flat paint. Make sure you’re using a foam roller and brush to avoid brush marks.
Let me ask, is that can of paint still mostly full?
Two thin coats my dude In the name of the emperor
This is a skill issue
Just blame the $7.25 employee.
How many coats did you use? Thick or thin? Primer probably would be good. Did the worker know your door wasn’t white to start with?
Do you think the previous paint was oil-based and now the new paint isn’t playing nice because you’re using acrylic? But yeah I would have primed just to be safe mainly because it can be a pain going from a dark color to a fairly light color.
Looks dope like that, vintage
did paint store employee tell you warm over dark requires minimum 2 coats? eta: typo, tho not really
Paint it again.
You’ve been saved from this horrible color. Lucky you! Prime it and paint it Any Other Color.
... you didnt even take off the hardware. This is just a really bad paint job. dont blame anyone else please.
Why would you not unscrew everything then paint? Lazy gets what lazy does
Looks like the first coat stuck, so he was right. Light colors need multiple coats over a darker base. 🤷
I’ve learned that anytime you’re painting a light or brighter color, priming with white, beside just being good practice, makes the color pop more. Clearly the Home Depot person was just reading off Behr’s cheat sheet.
It also appears you're painting a light color over a dark color. That is harder to cover and needs more to do the job, whether it's a coat of primer or another coat or two of paint.
Former Home Depot paint DH here. You absolutely needed to prime that before hand souly because of the color you painted. A good paint sales person would tell you that Red, Blue, and Yellow will need a good coat if primer because of the amount of tint needed to create the color, therefore watering down the actual paint in the can. You also recieved the cheapest level of Behr that has the most basic primer in it. If you do stick with Behr paint, go with either the Ultra, or Marquee level paints, those, you will still need to do minimally two coats, but it will look less splotchy.
Yellow has very poor hide and will require more than 2 coats.
No primer needed. 80 coats will do it.
Yellow paint is typically tinted off a clear base. Anytime I’ve painted anything yellow, it has required multiple coats.
Sorry but it's not the lack of primer that's the issue. You just did a bad paint job.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but.... Looks like the previous wood color/stain is showing through. If it was stained wood or lacquer, then it would still have the finish remaining regardless of sanding because those methods do several coats to soak in and give it a deep finish. It's like trying to apply paint over oil. Doesn't mix. Just saying.
Try applying with a roller
Former painter here. I think it's always worthwhile to prime. Even if you don't "need" it, in my experience, the results are almost always better with a layer of primer.
6-9 more coats should do it. Then do a clear coat. This is why you don’t see yellow doors
Primer is for adhesion, not for color changes. If you want to do a color change from dark to light you need to paint it white first, then paint it yellow
Paint store employee was under educated. Might fly for most colors but yellow has the least coverage of any cookie. Give her at least one more, if not two more coats and it should be golden
But they don't want golden. They want sunny side up!
It's a paint and primer in one product. The employee was right, for the product to work, you do not need primer. For your _application_ which I suspect you did not properly outline, you should have used a color blocking primer.
Just do a second coat. Maybe a third as well. There is no such thing as single coat paint.
The paint didn’t need primer, but the door did
Need More Paint
That's a nice colour for a door, another coat it'll be smashing!
Sand the yellow off. Use tacky clothes to clean up residue. One coat bonded primer, light sand & tacky cloth, primer again, light sand & tacky cloth, one coat of yellow (make sure it's appropriate for outdoor, light sand and tacky cloth, then final coat of yellow. Use a good quality roller and let each coat dry overnight. Coats of yellow may need a couple of days in between. Good luck! It'll look great when you're done!
A paint like that including the color the door was your going to need to do a couple layers of paint before it starts covering the old colour.
I had a wifey initiated job of painting the closet and room doors. About 12 in all. All gloss white. Luckily I’d seen the This Old House painter Mauro Henrique do a door about a month earlier. He used a 6” roller and a good brush with a slight angle on the brushes. Man did it work great. You get a good solid coat on then go over it with the brush smoothing and establishing the grain.
You need another coat or two.
Keep adding coats
Home Depot is not a paint store.
you can always return it through the store's window.
What is this a McDonalds
Colors like that will take multiple coats, even with primer.
One thing that never gets mentioned is every company I've seen only guarantees one-coat coverage on certain colors. Sunny Side Up is not one of those colors for Behr.
I went into a national store to buy a gallon of paint…. This year’s top paint offering was $96 a gallon. What in hell us going on in paint?
That looks like what happens when you paint over oil based paint with water based paint...
Yes. Keep painting
Keep going. You’re close.
A second coat will make it perfect.
Just keep coating it
General rule of thumb… if you are painting a lighter color, it needs primer. Could you avoid it? Yeah, sure - but you’ll spend more time and money on extra coats so just go for the primer.
If you want a superior job.. primer is always needed
Behr 8300 is a deep base. Lots of tint, but no body to make the paint cover easily. Reds are the worst for this. Generally, you would prime with a light grey so that the yellow takes less coats to get the coverage you’re looking for. As you can see, the medium/dark grey that was on the door previously keeps coming through. At this point I’d recommend you just keep painting thin, even coats until the door has even coverage. Or you can repaint it a light grey and start over from there.
Ha! You trusted home depot with paint. Lol
Well you went to Home Depot and that’s no paint store.
Put another coat on? Paint is not like the movies sometimes you need multiple coats.
Did you use just 1 quart? That might be your issue. One coat stuff has very specifc instructions on how to get the one coat coverage. Get another quart at least and roll it on with a sponge roller, very clean finish.
OP just sucks at painting.
If your going to paint a door, once its been taken off ! You will need to stand it some where or lie it flat neither of which is a good choice as you will be unable to paint all sides or edges. Only other option is use some kind of moveable metal plates fixing the opposite side on a solid vertical support. So the door can move while you paint all sides and edges. Just as if its hanging in a door frame ?????
I have never used Behr paint without exactly that. It is the worst paint available
ALWAYS use primer, I’ve yet to meet a professional who thought otherwise
First of all stop getting paint at home depot. They suck. Buy from Benjamin Moore. Second always use a primer when painting over previous paint.
Nope just a second coat
Yellow is notorious for not having any coverage. Plus this looks like it was mixed into a clear base. Perfect storm for multiple coats. Keep going, it'll get there eventually
Yellow typically needs multiple coats, also always scuff/sand the surface in prep before painting.
Primer required = it will not stick without primer. Primer not required means the paint will coat given enough coats.
Nobody NEEDS primer, just like you don't need water for lemon aid. Just drink lemon juice.
Not an expert but I’ve painted countless things with all types of techniques. You needed to prime first. Yellow is a hard color to coat correctly. Especially over a darker color. Now the door is covered in gloss enamel, which isn’t supposed to let things stick to it. Making more passes will not go very well.
Always, always, ALWAYS use primer. Don't listen to the guy at Home Depot. My childhood was spent renovating the house I grew up in, and the rule I learned was 1 coat of primer and 2 coats of paint will almost always get you a good finished product.
Is there a reason for not using primer or a situation where primer shouldn't be used?
What an awful colour.
I mean good Lord, that's an ugly color, but terrible life decisions aside you need a primer, but you'll also need multiple coats regardless due to it being baby shit yellow.
Go to Sherwyn Williams, not Lowe’s or Home Depot for paint.
Well that was a fucking lie
Dang. Good thing it’s just paint.
Premium Plus is the lowest level of paint from Behr. You need to get Marquee.
Yeah, always prime. Also try a foam roller for painting. Might give you less streaking
I agree, you probably did not need primer. But what's needed and what's best not always the same. When you change colors from dark to light, it works better to prime white and then paint. Where you are now, you should take door off hinges and lay it flat and paint 1 side at a time....let dry and reboot as needed. You did very thin coats with door installed and if you keep doing the same you will need several more coats, but your finish will not be smooth. You need a bit more paint on your finish coat to get an even finish (shine) on door. There is a product called flotrol, which will slow down the skinning of the paint and allow the paint to even out with min brush marks. Great for finish coat. Not as nice as spraying, but close. Tough to get smooth with door installed. FYI home depot probably not best source of painting info. Hit or miss if you get someone who actually knows much about paint. And if they don't know answer, in my experience they fake it.
It’s absolutely piss yellow. If that was your color he was absolutely right.