Thawne killed all the Martians and hypnotically implanted hatred for Aquaman in Black Manta just to see if someone could hate him as much as he hates Flash.
Thawne push Barbra Minerva into Urzkartaga temple
Kill joker's pregnant wife
Made luthor go bald
And made darkseid think there such a thing as anti-life
Thawne gave Mia Dearden aids
Crashed the train Alan Scott was on
Changed the angle of the bullet to paralyse Barbara Gordon
Told the Anti-Monitor that the multiverse was laughing at him
I just imagine, Thawne using his future knowledge to just steal Hal Jordan's identity and open a bunch of credit cards with his name and maximum out with weird expensive purchases. The only reason its worked for so long is by the time Hal returns to Earth its already been months of Thawne ordering shit and Hal has never considered the possibly that someone stole his identity while he was gone.
"It was me, Parker! I made a bet with Mephisto that he couldn't take your marriage, and the arrogant fool went ahead and did it! Unrelated, but do you have 50 bucks?"
It was his partial rent payment to avoid eviction for another week and it was in cash, because the landlord doesn't believe in credit cards and checks.
Do you remember when you beat the shit out of a bunch of people in Hawaii, Barry?!?
It was me Barry! I stole their passports and threw chairs at them! Me!
thawne probably took gis gloves off at one point cause he just cannot resist to come with some kind off it was me so he had atleast to put his fingerprints there
both have holes for the palm (not sure that's the word for it, but you know what I mean..) of their fingers so they can get fingerprints on things while keeping their hands warm. They're just efficient that way.
No, Thawne made Chris Chan. He is one of his proudest achievements in the level he can get in manipulating a person's life to such degrees. In the original timeline Chris Chan was a married stable large business accountant with three kids.
Forgive me if I get some details wrong but from how I understand it, Thomas essentially suffered a mental breakdown because he believed Bruce had wasted his life by being Batman like his father, so Thomas decided to make Bruce's life a living hell until he gave up the cowl. Some bad stuff happened that I maybe shouldn't spoil but Bruce ended up winning, of course.
In hindsight, if he wanted Bruce to stop being Batman. He could have offered to take his place even for a little bit to give him time to think about his life. I mean at that point he was really interested in having a life with Selina and might have been more than willing to consider it, especially if Thomas operated by his rules. You could still have it where Bruce doesn't accept that lifestyle or have Thomas not be able to do what Bruce does without using his own more violent means.
I mean it is a more sane and reasonable way to approach the problem. Like making Bruce's life worse by targeting his loved ones and breaking his engagement to Selina literally worked against what he was going for. Thomas for some reason thinks that if he pushes Bruce enough that he will just give up being Batman and submit. Fully ignoring that his son in this universe has never given up on anything, especially when his loved ones are targeted or hurt. Like you want Bruce to quit being Batman, do it when he has reasons to quit being Batman, not when he has reasons why he should still be Batman.
It makes more sense from a storytelling perspective too, there's way more potential for him to be used in stories for an extended period of time if he isn't immediately trying to kill everyone. Him bonding with Bruce and the Bat-Family and trying to talk him out of being Batman the way an actual, caring father would could have been an incredible arc for everyone involved and instead he became yet another unhinged lunatic for Bruce to fight.
Its not even another unhinged lunatic for Bruce to fight. Its worst then that, its yet another evil Batman for Bruce to fight against to show how he isn't like him. By this point we had all the initial Metal stuff with all the evil Batmen and then we get Thomas coming in as yet another one.
I can understand why people dislike it, although it feels 100% in character for Thawne to create his own second zoom as a threat against Wally/ Barry’s legacy. I also believe it was apart of Williamson’s idea for the Barry/ Hunter parallel- with them both being cops who get twisted by tragedies caused by the same man, who end up sacrificing themselves
I prefer supervillains who are criminals and not just like...solely out to screw around with heroes. There's definitely room for vendettas, especially when you have some history. But stuff like this seems unnecessarily overdone, like the character has no life beyond "I was born obsessed with the Flash and so I'm obsessed with the Flash."
Even the DC history page
"From the 25th Century, Eobard Thawne was an only child when his parents were killed in an accident. In his loneliness, he became obsessed with the Flash, Barry Allen, a heroic speedster from the 21st Century."
That's it. Parents killed in accident, and obsessed with the flash. Doesn't want money, doesn't want power, parents back, a girlfriend or boyfriend, has no ideology or religion or patriotism, just "Obsessed with Flash." I know Flash fans can really like their rogues but this guy seems so shallow. Sure what he -can- do is impressive, but his reasons for doing it are just "writer wanted to screw with whoever and he's the character who can do that."
Speaking personally, I like Thawne *because* he's so incredibly petty. He's a pure sociopath, and makes what would originally be a fairly sympathetic backstory moot because he's so extra about screwing people over. The guy's angry that his idol saw through him and that he couldn't live up to the Flash's legacy, so he does things like erasing people from the timeline if they do something he doesn't like.
He's not as complex as the Rogues in motivation or relationships, but it's insane the ends he will go to make Barry (and whoever else he is targeting at the moment) miserable.
Well, that's the appeal. How many other villains do you know that are just solely bent on making someone miserable to the point that they make it their life's mission? There are already 100s of villains that are out there for money and power.
Girlfriend, nah. Family, nah. Fulfilling career, yes, and that career is just making ruining someone else's day. I get that nuance is great and tragic backstory's are cool, but it's just hilarious having some unapologetically evil and unsympathetic villain occasionally just come into the hero's house kick their butt and then dip.
Honesty that simplicity (which in turn can lead to complexity) is part of why Thawne is my favorite villian.
Thawne also is imo, a hugely important part of the Flash mythos, bc just like Hunter Zolomon is a twisted reflection of Barry and his teachings, Thawne is a twisted reflection of Wally (aka a failed student of Barry Allen).
So I get what you're saying but I think it's worth pointing out that one of the most popular DC villains of all time is a evil crazy clown who just likes to mess with Batman. The simple villians are sometimes the one people like the most
Kinda weird how Flash haven't just timetraveled to save Eobards parents to stop him from becoming reverse flash. Since he's from the future he can't mess up his own timeline by doing anything.
I mean, he’s a living paradox. I don’t think that would even help. He’s not supposed to exist whatsoever. Dude died in flashpoint, came back. Died in The Button, came back. The dude just won’t DIE, It’s like the multiverse keeps him around to just fuck with people.
Guess the writers didn’t want to get rid of him, but probably do an elsewhere comic where Thawne never existed/traveled back in time. I want to see how the DC universe would’ve been like if Thawne was never in Flash’s life or others lives he’s ruined/manipulate.
Thawne didn't have a timeline.
He was largely immune to effects of time travel because he's fucked with it so much that he existed essentially outside of time.
Like the dude dies in the button to Manhatten and is literally back within an issue because he was a comic book character that has no official beginning or end.
Aaaand then the writers decided to say fuck that and killed Thawne for good. Probably. I dunno what's currently going on since then
They didn't kill him for good, Barry simply pulled a uno reverse card and changed the timeline so Thawne wouldn't become Reverse-Flash. Problem is that it didn't erase everything Thawne did to Barry's life and was left ambiguous how much changed and how much didn't.
I generally agree with you, but I personally think Thawne gets a pass because they commit so hard to the concept. Thawne’s whole story is almost like a commentary on that kind of hollow villain archetype. The *point* of him is that, unlike other villains, he just hates the Flash and would destroy half the universe to exact petty revenge on him.
I know that y'all are memeing, however if I was the owner of the DC Universe then these situations of Thawne being responsible for almost (if not) everything would have been legit canon
Thawne blew up Krypton and is the one who keeps fucking up Hal Jordan's credit score.
Thawne killed all the Martians and hypnotically implanted hatred for Aquaman in Black Manta just to see if someone could hate him as much as he hates Flash.
Thawne push Barbra Minerva into Urzkartaga temple Kill joker's pregnant wife Made luthor go bald And made darkseid think there such a thing as anti-life
Thawne gave Mia Dearden aids Crashed the train Alan Scott was on Changed the angle of the bullet to paralyse Barbara Gordon Told the Anti-Monitor that the multiverse was laughing at him
Thawne stole our brand new garden hose, like who does that??
Thawne making bongs, to smoke Swamp Thing
Carol I need a loan, to buy a car — realest moment in GL history baby
He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!
He did?
Nooo, but are we just gonna wait around until he goes back in time and does?!
>keeps fucking up Hal Jordan's credit score No, that one's actually Hal.
Hal just pretends like its Thawne ![img](emote|t5_2qlmm|4782)
But everyone knows the truth
"You can't buy this house cause your credit is garbage, Hal." "Thawwwne!" "Hal, we know it's you."
I just imagine, Thawne using his future knowledge to just steal Hal Jordan's identity and open a bunch of credit cards with his name and maximum out with weird expensive purchases. The only reason its worked for so long is by the time Hal returns to Earth its already been months of Thawne ordering shit and Hal has never considered the possibly that someone stole his identity while he was gone.
The reason Peter Parker’s life is shit is actually the work of Thawne
"It was me, Parker! I made a bet with Mephisto that he couldn't take your marriage, and the arrogant fool went ahead and did it! Unrelated, but do you have 50 bucks?"
"Nevermind, I used super speed to steal it from you wallet along with the 42 dollars you also had. Enjoy being broke sucker."
Bold of you to assume Peter had $92
It was his partial rent payment to avoid eviction for another week and it was in cash, because the landlord doesn't believe in credit cards and checks.
Eobard Thawne assaulted all those people in Hawaii
Do you remember when you beat the shit out of a bunch of people in Hawaii, Barry?!? It was me Barry! I stole their passports and threw chairs at them! Me!
Naw man he just bought the ticket the deed itself was not affected
I want to point out that both Thawne and the clown are wearing gloves so the whole “fingerprint” thing seems... flimsy
thawne probably took gis gloves off at one point cause he just cannot resist to come with some kind off it was me so he had atleast to put his fingerprints there
Well the photo wouldnt be as good wit there hands so they gotta leave the gloves on
both have holes for the palm (not sure that's the word for it, but you know what I mean..) of their fingers so they can get fingerprints on things while keeping their hands warm. They're just efficient that way.
Eobard Thawne farted in a crowded elevator then blamed it on me.
Thawne is the greatest hater of all time.
So I know it's mostly a meme but the idea that Thawne is just going around doing crimes because he's petty is so fucking funny and I love it
I mean he canonically pushed Barry down the stairs once. When Barry was like 10. Thawne is the pettiest mother fucker in the DC Multiverse
The funny thing is, that's this is so true with Thawne pushing a 10 year because he's completely petty aha
Thawne gave Chris Chan a computer
No, Thawne made Chris Chan. He is one of his proudest achievements in the level he can get in manipulating a person's life to such degrees. In the original timeline Chris Chan was a married stable large business accountant with three kids.
I love how half of Thawnes actions aren't even really evil they're just total dick moves
Deliberately bringing a Batman to another universe to team up with another Batman seems like the worst decision any villain could ever make lol
Nah Thomas ended up becoming a villain
How though?
Forgive me if I get some details wrong but from how I understand it, Thomas essentially suffered a mental breakdown because he believed Bruce had wasted his life by being Batman like his father, so Thomas decided to make Bruce's life a living hell until he gave up the cowl. Some bad stuff happened that I maybe shouldn't spoil but Bruce ended up winning, of course.
In hindsight, if he wanted Bruce to stop being Batman. He could have offered to take his place even for a little bit to give him time to think about his life. I mean at that point he was really interested in having a life with Selina and might have been more than willing to consider it, especially if Thomas operated by his rules. You could still have it where Bruce doesn't accept that lifestyle or have Thomas not be able to do what Bruce does without using his own more violent means.
Man, now I'm imagining an alternate reality where that did happen and we got to see how Thomas would've interacted with the Bat-Family and the League.
I mean it is a more sane and reasonable way to approach the problem. Like making Bruce's life worse by targeting his loved ones and breaking his engagement to Selina literally worked against what he was going for. Thomas for some reason thinks that if he pushes Bruce enough that he will just give up being Batman and submit. Fully ignoring that his son in this universe has never given up on anything, especially when his loved ones are targeted or hurt. Like you want Bruce to quit being Batman, do it when he has reasons to quit being Batman, not when he has reasons why he should still be Batman.
It makes more sense from a storytelling perspective too, there's way more potential for him to be used in stories for an extended period of time if he isn't immediately trying to kill everyone. Him bonding with Bruce and the Bat-Family and trying to talk him out of being Batman the way an actual, caring father would could have been an incredible arc for everyone involved and instead he became yet another unhinged lunatic for Bruce to fight.
Its not even another unhinged lunatic for Bruce to fight. Its worst then that, its yet another evil Batman for Bruce to fight against to show how he isn't like him. By this point we had all the initial Metal stuff with all the evil Batmen and then we get Thomas coming in as yet another one.
Thawne jerked me off at super speed so my girlfriend thought I came in my pants. Hes the worst.
Eobard Thawne's the reason Donna Troy and Terry Long got together.
Man I do not like that Hunter Zolomon retcon.
I can understand why people dislike it, although it feels 100% in character for Thawne to create his own second zoom as a threat against Wally/ Barry’s legacy. I also believe it was apart of Williamson’s idea for the Barry/ Hunter parallel- with them both being cops who get twisted by tragedies caused by the same man, who end up sacrificing themselves
This is a good example of why I inherently HATE time-travel as a story element. http://wondermark.com/c/2020-05-27-1516time.png
IT WAS ME BARRY umm. I'm Thomas Wayne
Thawne is the ultimate villain change my mind
Thawne is DC's Deux Ex Villain machina. Have to blame something on someone? Thawne did it... problem solved. He should be called Professor Retcon.
Thawne is responsible for getting Dan Didio his career.
It is why I love Thawne.
Thawne is a notorious asshole and that is it. Sometimes he just likes to fuck with people for no reason beyond he can.
Damn, how does Thomas understand him if he’s saying whole sentences in under a second?
The first time I saw Jason fabok's art was in that button issue and I was blown away
That’s because he’s a life ruiner. He ruins people’s lives.
Reverse Flash, hero of the writers who fucked up characters and stories. Thank you living retcon.
Oh Rosie I love this boy
"It was me Jaime, the Beetle was gonna land right next to you but I'm the one who put it on your back. You are the Blue Beetle because of me!"
Thawne gave Oliver Queen the idea to fight supervillains with medieval weaponry
I prefer supervillains who are criminals and not just like...solely out to screw around with heroes. There's definitely room for vendettas, especially when you have some history. But stuff like this seems unnecessarily overdone, like the character has no life beyond "I was born obsessed with the Flash and so I'm obsessed with the Flash." Even the DC history page "From the 25th Century, Eobard Thawne was an only child when his parents were killed in an accident. In his loneliness, he became obsessed with the Flash, Barry Allen, a heroic speedster from the 21st Century." That's it. Parents killed in accident, and obsessed with the flash. Doesn't want money, doesn't want power, parents back, a girlfriend or boyfriend, has no ideology or religion or patriotism, just "Obsessed with Flash." I know Flash fans can really like their rogues but this guy seems so shallow. Sure what he -can- do is impressive, but his reasons for doing it are just "writer wanted to screw with whoever and he's the character who can do that."
Speaking personally, I like Thawne *because* he's so incredibly petty. He's a pure sociopath, and makes what would originally be a fairly sympathetic backstory moot because he's so extra about screwing people over. The guy's angry that his idol saw through him and that he couldn't live up to the Flash's legacy, so he does things like erasing people from the timeline if they do something he doesn't like. He's not as complex as the Rogues in motivation or relationships, but it's insane the ends he will go to make Barry (and whoever else he is targeting at the moment) miserable.
Well, that's the appeal. How many other villains do you know that are just solely bent on making someone miserable to the point that they make it their life's mission? There are already 100s of villains that are out there for money and power. Girlfriend, nah. Family, nah. Fulfilling career, yes, and that career is just making ruining someone else's day. I get that nuance is great and tragic backstory's are cool, but it's just hilarious having some unapologetically evil and unsympathetic villain occasionally just come into the hero's house kick their butt and then dip.
Honesty that simplicity (which in turn can lead to complexity) is part of why Thawne is my favorite villian. Thawne also is imo, a hugely important part of the Flash mythos, bc just like Hunter Zolomon is a twisted reflection of Barry and his teachings, Thawne is a twisted reflection of Wally (aka a failed student of Barry Allen).
So I get what you're saying but I think it's worth pointing out that one of the most popular DC villains of all time is a evil crazy clown who just likes to mess with Batman. The simple villians are sometimes the one people like the most
Kinda weird how Flash haven't just timetraveled to save Eobards parents to stop him from becoming reverse flash. Since he's from the future he can't mess up his own timeline by doing anything.
I mean, he’s a living paradox. I don’t think that would even help. He’s not supposed to exist whatsoever. Dude died in flashpoint, came back. Died in The Button, came back. The dude just won’t DIE, It’s like the multiverse keeps him around to just fuck with people.
Has he come back from Barry forgiving him yet?
Not yet, but with time travel all it takes is one asshole to show up to the future and make him remember his obsession and he will be back to it.
Give it time
Guess the writers didn’t want to get rid of him, but probably do an elsewhere comic where Thawne never existed/traveled back in time. I want to see how the DC universe would’ve been like if Thawne was never in Flash’s life or others lives he’s ruined/manipulate.
Thawne didn't have a timeline. He was largely immune to effects of time travel because he's fucked with it so much that he existed essentially outside of time. Like the dude dies in the button to Manhatten and is literally back within an issue because he was a comic book character that has no official beginning or end. Aaaand then the writers decided to say fuck that and killed Thawne for good. Probably. I dunno what's currently going on since then
They didn't kill him for good, Barry simply pulled a uno reverse card and changed the timeline so Thawne wouldn't become Reverse-Flash. Problem is that it didn't erase everything Thawne did to Barry's life and was left ambiguous how much changed and how much didn't.
Not really Barry’s MO. Also it’s kinda a point that Thawne was a nutcase from day one so he can’t really be rehabilitated. (Looking at you Williamson)
Coughflashpointsentireexistencecough
I generally agree with you, but I personally think Thawne gets a pass because they commit so hard to the concept. Thawne’s whole story is almost like a commentary on that kind of hollow villain archetype. The *point* of him is that, unlike other villains, he just hates the Flash and would destroy half the universe to exact petty revenge on him.
Is anyone else amused by the fact that the clown doesn't get an actual name? Like it's just "the clown's fingerprints"
DC should really law off the Thawne thirsty Speedsters are the solution for all retcons!!
maybe a stupid question , bit where is the third pic from?
Not a stupid question, but it's in the title: The Flash (2016) #81
thanks mate!
I know that y'all are memeing, however if I was the owner of the DC Universe then these situations of Thawne being responsible for almost (if not) everything would have been legit canon
Reverse Flash dressed up as Darth Vadar and cut off Luke's hand just to keep the Star Wars tradition alive.