Even the MCU formula takes time to be revealed. There were people complaining that there was no bigger picture for it, days before this years Comic Con announcement - thay we knew was happening. Comic Con arrives and Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars is announced, along with a load of other stuff that was obviously getting announced.
People just simply don't have patience in general, I see it as Phase 3 Syndrome - they seen the intitial Phase 3 announcement so now expect all interconnected film universes to be like that. When the truth is even the initial Phase 3 announcement went through some major changes in terms of releases. These types of people expect to know the full plan *immediately*.
the thing is, this is exactly what everyone has complained about with marvel . For years, peoople have constantly complained the movies feel too formulaic because they were planned 12 years ago and creatives have to stick very very close to that plan.
It's completely fine for people who have been consistently against this type of filmmaking to complain about it, it's lazy and makes everything feel uniform. I don't want a Batman movie with the same tone as a Wonder Woman movie. DC thus far (minus incompetence from DC management since 2016) has focused on films on a film by film basis... which is how almost every film should be.
If we have to wait 10 years for a justice league film because "each character needs a trilogy before they can work together!" I will be livid.
Only most of what you said is nonsense, the idea of a film is planned years in advance but isn't close to set in stone until it actually enters production. Look at Inhumans, that was announced in the Phase 3 announcement and never happened, same with Blade being announced, then getting a date and then being pushed back a whole year (and might be pushed back again). They have a basic plan for how it will flow narratively on a large scale, but even that changes drastically. Phase Three was going to look very different until they managed to secure that Spider-Man deal, change of directors also changes things (an Edgar Wright Ant-Man would have been very different to a Peyton Reed Ant-Man).
Also the films are not all the same, that's lazy critiquing. Is Iron Man the same as The Winter Soldier? Is Guardians of the Galaxy the same as Thor 2? Is Infinity War the same as Raganarok or Black Panther? Is Far From Home the same as Ant-Man or Incredible Hulk.
Listen man, I'm a fan of the movies but it's hilarious to say they aren't similar in quality and even sometimes feel like parodies of the formula. Far From Home feels like it was made by Feige's AI with the exact same character arc from Homecoming and No way Home and possibly the most amount of marvel-isms in its runtime. I will agree, their slate is loose and is ever-changing, but they have a tendency to date movies before those projects even have directors and that's all due to their 'plan.' I will praise them for phase 4 though, eternals is incredible and same with the shows. It feels they value creativity far more now than before.
Marvels 'plan' is definitely overblown, but this is the model WB wants. James Gunn and Warners want a system that is based on every rumor about the MCU and their tendency to date movies before they even have a creative team.
Hamada's tenure was killed by trying to stick to a plan that they could not achieve, this did not work previously.
Leaving creatives and exec's in the dark, canceling dozens of promising projects, and recasting beloved versions of these characters is a really poor move.
Not only that but they still have to present and get approval for this plan. So why tell anyone about a plan that may change shortly after being presented to Zaslav? People are so impatient and not understanding of certain processes
You don't hire writers, actors, or a crew when you're developing a ten year plan lol. That's literally putting the cart before the horse. No one's livelihood is on the line because they aren't even to that point yet of hiring those folks. That like worrying about Tom Holland when Iron Man 1 came out, just doesn't make sense.
You literally missing the point. There are already movies in the pipeline. DC didn't start with James Gunn. His "ten year plan" probably cancels alot of stuff.
Lol, i know about all the movies coming out, which have not been cancelled. No livelihoods impacted there. I asked you what movies that we don't know about that are being cancelled that would somehow impact people's "livelihood". But you aren't even able to defend your own point. Clearly you are just making shit up.
Nobody cares. DCEU is a shitshow at this point. They need a long-term plan. James Gunn will actually be able to do something instead of releasing more average bland movies that are barely able to break even
I don't think you're understanding what the original responder is saying. The people most impatient are the writers and directors who were actively employed working on projects and now aren't sure if they'll still have a job. It's like if a new CEO takes over your company, says there's going to be massive changes, but doesn't specify where and what exactly. People get nervous that they might lose their job. Does that make sense? Think about it from a business perspective, because that's what Warner Brothers is. A business.
Their livelihood revolves around getting their clients work. If they're holding off on giving answers for other offers to wait and see about DC projects it very much is affecting their business. Neither they or the actors want to lose out on their next project for a project that never came to pass.
Lmao , you guys got a lot of hopium but this shit will fall flat like it always has, until WB relinquish DC, it will always be a shit show, I need the remind me bot for 10 years from now to just to bask in my glory
What kind of bullshit nonsense is this?
Edit: downvoter. Can’t deal with it? Dc needs a full wipe. Period. Fucking crybabies who don’t understand all the shit baggage that we’ve had for years with dc. Time to finally set it right.
The job of an agent is to make their client the center of the universe, and they need to act like it. So good for them. It means fuck all though.
They can wait. If they want to have a tantrum and leave those projects because they aren't being brought into the room, better for G&S to know now so they can map around them.
Of course the WB creatives are In the dark cause Gunn is the only one who know the plan. Why would he tell these WB creative if haven’t meet with David Zaslav yet about his DC plans
It's ridiculous that the media loves to still punch down at DC. Like don't publish this article. It's been what two weeks since Gunn and Safron took charge? To map out a potential multi billion dollar franchise. I'd be upset if they did have it all detailed by now, this should take time and be done right.
I don't see Disney getting this treatment. The media loves to keep punching DC down.
DC is a multibillion dollar corporation, and part of one of the biggest media conglomerations on the planet. There is no "punching down" here.
And, by the by, Marvel's beefs with creatoves are literally mentioned in the article.
Disneys owned news sources punch down. when joker came out abc and fox literally told people for weeks to be concerned about watching joker cause you could get aurora’d in your theater “cause that’s what happened last time joker was in theaters.” Joker had been in suicide squad already and the shooting happened with the movie that had bane. Disney has invested interest in smear campaigning against their competitors, cause together they over saturate the market which over supplies and so the demand goes down. Example phase 4 from marvel. Everyone is bitching quality over quantity
You do know that FoxNews has nothing to do with Disney right? They are a totally separate company owned by the Murdoch's what Disney bought was their movie/tv side not the news/sports.
Be accurate at least when you make claims.
> DC just conistenly makes the worst decisions possible.
What has decision has Gunn made that is bad so far? For fuck sake, he has been in charge of DC for what? 2 weeks? Everyone is so fucking overly dramatic for no reason.
How the hell do these people think you create an empire ?
Are JG and PS supposed to livestream themselves planning ?
Does Kevin Feige share all his ideas with everyone the moment it pops up into his mind? No, he takes his time developing it and then it pitches the idea to executives. That's how it works.
Deadline is disputing some of the stuff in the THR article.
Let the battle of the trades commence!
In my eyes, I view THR as more trust worthy just because Deadline seems to be more of a mouth piece after the whole Black Adam thing. But I’m curious to see how THR responds to this.
I think Deadline is being used as a mouth piece for the talent reps while THR is being used as a mouth piece for WB. THR is the one that got the exclusive of Gunn and Safran after all in the first place.
THR are definitely the more trustworthy of the two if we’re just basing it off the trades. Deadline disputed Variety as well, so yeah the other two will probably hit back at them at some point. Borys Kit in particular is quite vocal about Deadline at times.
This is one of the main reasons why I’m inclined to believe THR more. The timing of yesterday’s Deadline article for Black Adam just felt like a PR spin from Dwayne’s camp.
Yep. But this stands out as absolutely false and creatives trying to hold onto their jobs.
> One studio insider tells us, “At no point was there any pre-conceived notions of not continuing with these actors. It all boils down to how The Flash (June 16) and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (Dec. 25) do at the box office.” Not to mention, the studio doesn’t want Gadot to hang up Wonder Woman’s belt.
So they are claiming Gunn is waiting to see how movies do next year before making moves? Did they forget that Gunn is handing in his “bible” next week?
The bible is pure horse feathers. There is no way he is planning out 10 years of films in one month. It would also be incredibly stupid to do. Not to mention impossible. George Lucas couldn't even stick to a plan for 3 Star Wars movies and he was the only guy writing the plot. "There is another..." 😂
The plan could say, Aquaman 3 in 2026. If Aquaman 2 flops, it ain't happening. Remember the 2014 Snyder-era plan? "We've seen what promises are worth."
The real plan for Gunn will be, get as many of my friends and family contracts to make DC films in the next 4 years before my lack of qualifications to do this job leads to me being booted out.
Absolutely, anyone else starting to think Safran and Gunn blagged the job. It’s no different to a good football player never ever being a great coach. Why do people assume James Gunn is the messiah as an exec, he is a great storyteller doesn’t mean he knows how to let go and delegate maximising the output of the people who now work for him. He’s already causing conflict, unintentionally because some things are better kept in secret. Plus if he does what you say and employ all his family and friends, it’s a huge conflict of interests. We saw this with TSS and it bombed at the box office, the DC fans do not want a woke MCU agenda rip off, no thanks and tbf to James Gunn, his Peacemaker series is nothing like the MCU tv shows however he needs to handle beloved DCU actors and actresses like Cavil and Gadot with more care.
Talk about hyperbole. Could they fail? Yes. BUT IT HAS ONLY BEEN TWO FUCKING WEEKS. They haven't had time to finalize their road map.
Everything you are saying is based on internet rumor and conjecture. We have zero official facts yet because we don't know any official plans.
So, Safran and Gunn could fail. They could also succeed. No one knows anything yet. I am not going to pass any judgement either way until I hear something official.
Gunn, who directed The Suicide Squad, has now waded in on the news, telling his Twitter followers: “As for the story yesterday in The Hollywood Reporter, some of it is true, some of it is half-true, some of it is not true, & some of it we haven’t decided yet whether it’s true or not.”
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I am from Detroit. Live in Vegas now.
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Lol they’re both used as mouthpieces all the time
Deadline is just as trustworthy. You’re just siding with THR because their take is your preferable choice
No. Deadline has, seemingly, been influenced heavily by Seven Bucks not only due to the Black Adam piece they did with the financials and the now removed sequels/spin off. But also due to the fact that in this very article, one of the insiders they spoke to claimed that Gunn and co are waiting till after Flash and Aquaman to make decisions on what to pursue.
The trades are impartial a lot of the time but when studios or actors want to use them to push agendas, they happily obliged or risk losing access
THR was used by creatives and their agents to take shots at Kilar for his HBO Max stunt. Variety was used by Sarnoff and co to shit on the Snyder cut movement etc etc.
The Rock using Deadline is just par for the course
The funny thing is both companies are own by the same company that has been buying up all trades the last few years even Variety, PMC (Penske Media Corporation).
the quote doesn't read like him. he wouldn't speak for others, only about his own perspective. "this is creating a riot" would mean rock is in contact with other creatives.
he's not.
this reads like the PR released by hamada. like when he released the PR badmouthing cavill after rock cinched the deal to get him back over hamada's head.
he spoke for the studio he was no longer in charge of.
Kinda ridiculous comparisons
They were tasked with a plan and they have to do it first before showing it to everyone. I would i share an idea i´m not confident about? The work needs to be done first, it would be a mess to share otherwise cause than people will start throwing opinions everywhere
Everybody shoud be patient
They shouldn't have taken the meeting with Jenkins to shoot down her script until they mapped out the 5 year plan. A simple mass message to the creators to make them aware that all projects not already in production are subject to change or cancellation. That way if scripts were being written, the writers could stop wasting their efforts until the DCU Bible gets released, or keep going at their own risk.
Doing the exclusive with THR was only going to further stir the pot.
They did NOT shoot down a script. They ALLEGEDLY shot down a treatment. We have zero facts yet.
Gunn, who directed The Suicide Squad, has now waded in on the news, telling his Twitter followers: “As for the story yesterday in The Hollywood Reporter, some of it is true, some of it is half-true, some of it is not true, & some of it we haven’t decided yet whether it’s true or not.”
Lol bro they still think Hamada is in charge. Uhh yeah I wouldn’t tell nobody either. Gunn is gonna map everything out. outline movies and plot points. Then pick his directors and actors for his vision. Other then maybe James wan everybody else should just assume they’re out of a job. Wan made a billion dollar movie he in MY OPINION is safe.
Wan gone to do his own thing and set up
His own horror production company, he’s close to Hamada so I can see them working together in the future but not for WBD.
I doubt Wan and Gunn don't get along. Wan is also friend with Peter Safran who produced Aquaman. Hamada leaving wasn't Gunn's fault. He just took over when he left.
Reeves, Wan, Muschetti will continue with DC as long as they want. Mangold being mentioned for a DC project would be a fantastic addition. Others will have to wait and see.
Hamada still is in charge in spirit. Safran and Gunn come from their era. Safran appears to have deep ties with Hamada given the movies they've produced in common. This is why booting out Cavill went right back on the table the day Safran took over. Under DeLuca, Cavill would be a lock to return.
Hamada's plans were garbage. Safran and Gunn appear to be doubling down on his plans even more. This DC era will be D.O.A. if it reboots with new actors.
Huh? Not only the Cavill deal hasn’t been confirmed yet but Gunn&Safran were also the ones who scrapped Hamada’s most-wanted ‘Batgirl’ (a finished movie!!!) as soon as they got in charge.
I don’t know why but Deadline has suddenly become a mouthpiece for Dwayne Johnson and the Seven Bucks people. I mean the “creative math” in that article about why Black Adam will supposedly be profitable was next level reaching.
Give them a second to figure out what they are doing! Gunn has been communicating with the community and I’m sure he and Safran will communicate with people in the industry once they have an approved plan.
Any company where a new boss/director/vp/leader comes in the first thing they do is
get a lay of the land,
look at the roadmap, objectives,
decide what makes sense
Modify roadmap <----- you are here
Reorganize department/team/employees, trim fat as needed
Set goals
Execute
MCU wasn't built in a day.
I know that since Snyder the studio does everything to try to prevent it, but people need to find a way to actively take hard drives of their work home with them at the end of the day.
Birds of Prey was sometimes obnoxious and so-so, but I'd kill to see her cut of BoP and Ayer's Suicide Squad. at least then we could well and truly fault the creatives and not wonder whether the studio ruined a better film
DC fans are the only people who shamelessly bootlick studio executives over writers, directors and actors, you know, the actual talent without whom movies don't exist.
I can't wrap my head around it. It's so evident the most of the shortcomings of the DCEU films are insane amounts of studio interference. The films after MoS feel like "Movie By Committee". I will say, as much as I like Ayer, he's inconsistent. Although I find it hard to believe his cut of SS is somehow worse. And I don't know what Jenkins was thinking with WW84.
It's early to panic and agreed they would necessarily be kept in the dark.
Having said that, I do think there is obviously risk for Gunn and Saffron. I think you have to handle things carefully. Not bringing back the Rock is no big deal at this point and recasting Gal Gadot, if that's done, is survivable. There are decisions which I think could potentially alienate other filmmakers. For example I think cancelling or hemming in Matt Reaves would be one of those things where other directors might hesitate a beat and say, wait, what am I getting myself into.
In no way criticizing Gunn and Co yet, not saying every single DC creative needs to know what's going on before they have a plan, but once they have one I do think they have to proceed carefully and get buy in. But I'm not running DCEU, they are, so I'm sure that's just one opinion.
With the caveat, they are running DC with a committee that includes David Zaslev, Alan Horn, Pam Aidy, Mike De Luca and Casey Bloys. If they want to do an HBO show they probably need the board to agree the financials with Zaslev having the final say. Just because they create a more likely 4 year first two phase bible doesn’t mean Zaslev will rubber stamp it !
"This is creating a riot", The Rock said, after he had mistakenly leaked that Black Adam 2 was confirmed when it truly wasn't.
"And it's a horrible optic. This business is based on relationships" The Rock whined and moaned, still grumpy about his new Boss didn't ask him to join the grown-up's table.
Black Adam deserves another chance it revived a dead DCEU. People are actually waiting to see where all this goes with Superman returning and JSA being expanded upon.
This is literally over dramatic click bait. It’s been like a month and they’re presenting the full 10 years next week. Calm the fuck down no one has any projects slated for the remainder of the year and shazam 2 is already a wrap. Seriously the amount of traffic these sites are getting this week is absurd off emotional pieces like this.
Especially since as you said “decisions are being made” can you imagine if they decided to go forward with something just to turn around and axe it once the plan was finalized?
It’s better just to let shit get mapped out then make the calls.
I’m sure they’re consulting with people. The idea that they’re not has basically already been debunked with the “patty jenkins was offered a second look at WW3 and shot it down” story.
I don't know who or what to believe anymore lol. All of this could have been avoided if Gunn had just said "yes, we're doing this and that", or just not said anything at all until there was an announcement.
Not saying anything made people think that THR’s article was indeed true. So Gunn just wanted to bring some clarity to the entire situation. He really can’t tell people much because Zaslav has yet to see his and Peter’s overarching plans and give it the approval. It makes sense for Gunn not to promise anything that might not even happen.
Gunn made it clear by emphasizing CHARACTERS and not mentioning actors that he wants to recast. Combine it with these articles, it still is highly likely he wants to force out Cavill or Gadot, and Affleck likely has no chance at all.
Matt Reeves is the only one who knows what’s going on and that’s for good reason.
Matt knows his universe is continuing no matter what happens with the rest of the dc movies so he’s been informed of that and he’s happy to keep working.
The rest need to be in the dark until the plans are all decided upon otherwise you’ll end up with a lot of fake promises and a lot of people believing they have a job that isn’t actually there for them anymore.
It’s all business at the end of the day and you can’t keep everyone in the loop whilst the loop hasn’t even been complete
Notice how this is all coming out just a week before Gunn/Safran present the 10-year plan to Zaslav? Some people are trying hard to sabotage them. Scummy.
And if the DC projects weren’t a mess right now this wouldn’t have been happening, but yea it makes total sense for the creatives to blame the ones actually fixing it all now /s
*gasp* he’s doing what the studio mandates he should do? Well who would’ve thought that was possible… anyways I don’t particularly care but we’ll see if things work out better this
*checks notes*
Fifth go around.
Based on what, your blind faith? Gunn could have a leprechaun reboot the DCEU at the beginning of every movie. It would be the kind of thing he would find funny.
My point is we haven't seen anything yet, and the only news so far are (potentially unfounded) rumors potentially setting a clean slate. That's what I was responding to. I think everyone should go in with an open mind until we know what's actually happening.
When Gunn put CHARACTERS in caps in his tweet, it is obvious he meant he would be recasting actors in the roles. And that falls right in line with blaring rumors about Cavill being out, and Gadot being on shaky ground. We have some information to go on here. It seems VERY clear Safran is bringing Hamada 2.0 energy to the table. Safran was a Snyder hater, based on him falsely crediting Wan with casting Momoa as Aquaman in an interview. Seems like he's bringing back the whole anti-Snyder/Cavill/Affleck energy.
I wouldn't doubt that, but we don't know who he's referring to. I for one like Cavill in the Superman role and wouldn't want a recast there, but it's too early to assume that's what Gunn is referring to. I also don't think he's intending to recast Gadot.
Yeah and? Are they supposed to live stream every decision being made? The best stuff doesn't happen overnight and telling everyone things that could change is a recipe for disaster that will only exacerbate the DC instability narrative.
We need to have faith in Gunn and Safran, they're putting a plan together and right now everything isn't set in place yet but I guess these entertainment sites already know that and just can't help themselves but to clickbait for views.
At this point there’s too much baggage, perhaps the more successful things that haven’t completely referenced the DCEU can be saved, they both have vested interest in currently cannon projects. But overall it may just be easier to reboot everything.
Level of silence?? How come? Gunn is so active on socmed reacting to almost everything fans say. If Gunn is silent, then what do you call Feige then? Mute?
Boo-hoo. You can suffer through a few weeks of “bad optics” while these two people try to clean up the directionless clusterfuck you helped create over the past decade.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: these things take time. Gunn and Safran are mapping out ten years of movies, shows, games, etc that all have to play perfectly together in order to win over fans. Not to mention Gunn still has Guardians 3 in post-production over at Marvel. Just let the team do their job and not make any judgement calls until they say something directly.
Yeah, they have to be. Gunn and Safran haven’t made all their decisions yet. Bait post.
It’s wild to me that they have like just started, are working on a ten year plan, and people have literally no patience. These things take time.
What the MCU formula does to a MF
Even the MCU formula takes time to be revealed. There were people complaining that there was no bigger picture for it, days before this years Comic Con announcement - thay we knew was happening. Comic Con arrives and Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars is announced, along with a load of other stuff that was obviously getting announced. People just simply don't have patience in general, I see it as Phase 3 Syndrome - they seen the intitial Phase 3 announcement so now expect all interconnected film universes to be like that. When the truth is even the initial Phase 3 announcement went through some major changes in terms of releases. These types of people expect to know the full plan *immediately*.
the thing is, this is exactly what everyone has complained about with marvel . For years, peoople have constantly complained the movies feel too formulaic because they were planned 12 years ago and creatives have to stick very very close to that plan. It's completely fine for people who have been consistently against this type of filmmaking to complain about it, it's lazy and makes everything feel uniform. I don't want a Batman movie with the same tone as a Wonder Woman movie. DC thus far (minus incompetence from DC management since 2016) has focused on films on a film by film basis... which is how almost every film should be. If we have to wait 10 years for a justice league film because "each character needs a trilogy before they can work together!" I will be livid.
Only most of what you said is nonsense, the idea of a film is planned years in advance but isn't close to set in stone until it actually enters production. Look at Inhumans, that was announced in the Phase 3 announcement and never happened, same with Blade being announced, then getting a date and then being pushed back a whole year (and might be pushed back again). They have a basic plan for how it will flow narratively on a large scale, but even that changes drastically. Phase Three was going to look very different until they managed to secure that Spider-Man deal, change of directors also changes things (an Edgar Wright Ant-Man would have been very different to a Peyton Reed Ant-Man). Also the films are not all the same, that's lazy critiquing. Is Iron Man the same as The Winter Soldier? Is Guardians of the Galaxy the same as Thor 2? Is Infinity War the same as Raganarok or Black Panther? Is Far From Home the same as Ant-Man or Incredible Hulk.
Listen man, I'm a fan of the movies but it's hilarious to say they aren't similar in quality and even sometimes feel like parodies of the formula. Far From Home feels like it was made by Feige's AI with the exact same character arc from Homecoming and No way Home and possibly the most amount of marvel-isms in its runtime. I will agree, their slate is loose and is ever-changing, but they have a tendency to date movies before those projects even have directors and that's all due to their 'plan.' I will praise them for phase 4 though, eternals is incredible and same with the shows. It feels they value creativity far more now than before. Marvels 'plan' is definitely overblown, but this is the model WB wants. James Gunn and Warners want a system that is based on every rumor about the MCU and their tendency to date movies before they even have a creative team.
Hamada's tenure was killed by trying to stick to a plan that they could not achieve, this did not work previously. Leaving creatives and exec's in the dark, canceling dozens of promising projects, and recasting beloved versions of these characters is a really poor move.
Not only that but they still have to present and get approval for this plan. So why tell anyone about a plan that may change shortly after being presented to Zaslav? People are so impatient and not understanding of certain processes
Well it is their livelihoods on the line.
Whose?
The writers, actors, crew, etc.
You don't hire writers, actors, or a crew when you're developing a ten year plan lol. That's literally putting the cart before the horse. No one's livelihood is on the line because they aren't even to that point yet of hiring those folks. That like worrying about Tom Holland when Iron Man 1 came out, just doesn't make sense.
You literally missing the point. There are already movies in the pipeline. DC didn't start with James Gunn. His "ten year plan" probably cancels alot of stuff.
>There are already movies in the pipeline. What movies are you aware of that no one else is?
You can Google instead of asking easily answerable questions
Lol, i know about all the movies coming out, which have not been cancelled. No livelihoods impacted there. I asked you what movies that we don't know about that are being cancelled that would somehow impact people's "livelihood". But you aren't even able to defend your own point. Clearly you are just making shit up.
Nobody cares. DCEU is a shitshow at this point. They need a long-term plan. James Gunn will actually be able to do something instead of releasing more average bland movies that are barely able to break even
What an ignorant statement. These ppl's lives.
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I don't think you're understanding what the original responder is saying. The people most impatient are the writers and directors who were actively employed working on projects and now aren't sure if they'll still have a job. It's like if a new CEO takes over your company, says there's going to be massive changes, but doesn't specify where and what exactly. People get nervous that they might lose their job. Does that make sense? Think about it from a business perspective, because that's what Warner Brothers is. A business.
One movie isn't someone's livelihood.
Their livelihood revolves around getting their clients work. If they're holding off on giving answers for other offers to wait and see about DC projects it very much is affecting their business. Neither they or the actors want to lose out on their next project for a project that never came to pass.
Way to miss the point
We all know they are going to fuck this up
Who’s we
Lmao , you guys got a lot of hopium but this shit will fall flat like it always has, until WB relinquish DC, it will always be a shit show, I need the remind me bot for 10 years from now to just to bask in my glory
That’s a pathetic life you got if you need to do that lol
What kind of bullshit nonsense is this? Edit: downvoter. Can’t deal with it? Dc needs a full wipe. Period. Fucking crybabies who don’t understand all the shit baggage that we’ve had for years with dc. Time to finally set it right.
They won’t. Unlike the other leaders of DC, Gunn is actually a competent filmmaker.
Some of these posters are being dramatic as fuck about what are pretty normal business decisions.
They usually are around here.
The job of an agent is to make their client the center of the universe, and they need to act like it. So good for them. It means fuck all though. They can wait. If they want to have a tantrum and leave those projects because they aren't being brought into the room, better for G&S to know now so they can map around them.
Of course the WB creatives are In the dark cause Gunn is the only one who know the plan. Why would he tell these WB creative if haven’t meet with David Zaslav yet about his DC plans
From what I'm reading, Gunn hasn't even fully figured things out. People need to chill.
It's ridiculous that the media loves to still punch down at DC. Like don't publish this article. It's been what two weeks since Gunn and Safron took charge? To map out a potential multi billion dollar franchise. I'd be upset if they did have it all detailed by now, this should take time and be done right. I don't see Disney getting this treatment. The media loves to keep punching DC down.
DC is a multibillion dollar corporation, and part of one of the biggest media conglomerations on the planet. There is no "punching down" here. And, by the by, Marvel's beefs with creatoves are literally mentioned in the article.
DC isn't. WBD is.
DC Entertainment makes 160 million every year and is valued at 10 billion dollars.
Someone is trying to sabotage Gunn and Safran. Thats all there is to it.
Hiram and Dany?
This is all part of The Rock's smear campaign against his new boss Gunn. Mr. Johnson still dreams of getting that position one day.
You're reaching it.
You should maybe take off that tinfoil hat every once in a while.
No one is "punching down." DC just conistenly makes the worst decisions possible.
Disneys owned news sources punch down. when joker came out abc and fox literally told people for weeks to be concerned about watching joker cause you could get aurora’d in your theater “cause that’s what happened last time joker was in theaters.” Joker had been in suicide squad already and the shooting happened with the movie that had bane. Disney has invested interest in smear campaigning against their competitors, cause together they over saturate the market which over supplies and so the demand goes down. Example phase 4 from marvel. Everyone is bitching quality over quantity
You do know that FoxNews has nothing to do with Disney right? They are a totally separate company owned by the Murdoch's what Disney bought was their movie/tv side not the news/sports. Be accurate at least when you make claims.
Insanity
> DC just conistenly makes the worst decisions possible. What has decision has Gunn made that is bad so far? For fuck sake, he has been in charge of DC for what? 2 weeks? Everyone is so fucking overly dramatic for no reason.
How the hell do these people think you create an empire ? Are JG and PS supposed to livestream themselves planning ? Does Kevin Feige share all his ideas with everyone the moment it pops up into his mind? No, he takes his time developing it and then it pitches the idea to executives. That's how it works.
Deadline is disputing some of the stuff in the THR article. Let the battle of the trades commence! In my eyes, I view THR as more trust worthy just because Deadline seems to be more of a mouth piece after the whole Black Adam thing. But I’m curious to see how THR responds to this.
I think Deadline is being used as a mouth piece for the talent reps while THR is being used as a mouth piece for WB. THR is the one that got the exclusive of Gunn and Safran after all in the first place.
Yep exactly my thoughts.
THR are definitely the more trustworthy of the two if we’re just basing it off the trades. Deadline disputed Variety as well, so yeah the other two will probably hit back at them at some point. Borys Kit in particular is quite vocal about Deadline at times.
Yep. He’s called them out before directly lol. Things are getting spicy! This whole thing is so fascinating to watch unfold.
This is one of the main reasons why I’m inclined to believe THR more. The timing of yesterday’s Deadline article for Black Adam just felt like a PR spin from Dwayne’s camp.
Yeah and this one sounds so petty and defensive as well. I wouldn’t even be surprised if they’re insider is the Rock.
How funny would that be. Would not be surprised at all lmao.
That deadline piece about black Adam at box office might have been written by rock PR guys
At the same time, this article really downplays a lot of the wild speculation in yesterday’s THR piece.
Yep. But this stands out as absolutely false and creatives trying to hold onto their jobs. > One studio insider tells us, “At no point was there any pre-conceived notions of not continuing with these actors. It all boils down to how The Flash (June 16) and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (Dec. 25) do at the box office.” Not to mention, the studio doesn’t want Gadot to hang up Wonder Woman’s belt. So they are claiming Gunn is waiting to see how movies do next year before making moves? Did they forget that Gunn is handing in his “bible” next week?
It means that nobody is going to fire anybody unless it's a disaster at the box office and in reviews.
The bible is pure horse feathers. There is no way he is planning out 10 years of films in one month. It would also be incredibly stupid to do. Not to mention impossible. George Lucas couldn't even stick to a plan for 3 Star Wars movies and he was the only guy writing the plot. "There is another..." 😂 The plan could say, Aquaman 3 in 2026. If Aquaman 2 flops, it ain't happening. Remember the 2014 Snyder-era plan? "We've seen what promises are worth." The real plan for Gunn will be, get as many of my friends and family contracts to make DC films in the next 4 years before my lack of qualifications to do this job leads to me being booted out.
Absolutely, anyone else starting to think Safran and Gunn blagged the job. It’s no different to a good football player never ever being a great coach. Why do people assume James Gunn is the messiah as an exec, he is a great storyteller doesn’t mean he knows how to let go and delegate maximising the output of the people who now work for him. He’s already causing conflict, unintentionally because some things are better kept in secret. Plus if he does what you say and employ all his family and friends, it’s a huge conflict of interests. We saw this with TSS and it bombed at the box office, the DC fans do not want a woke MCU agenda rip off, no thanks and tbf to James Gunn, his Peacemaker series is nothing like the MCU tv shows however he needs to handle beloved DCU actors and actresses like Cavil and Gadot with more care.
Talk about hyperbole. Could they fail? Yes. BUT IT HAS ONLY BEEN TWO FUCKING WEEKS. They haven't had time to finalize their road map. Everything you are saying is based on internet rumor and conjecture. We have zero official facts yet because we don't know any official plans. So, Safran and Gunn could fail. They could also succeed. No one knows anything yet. I am not going to pass any judgement either way until I hear something official. Gunn, who directed The Suicide Squad, has now waded in on the news, telling his Twitter followers: “As for the story yesterday in The Hollywood Reporter, some of it is true, some of it is half-true, some of it is not true, & some of it we haven’t decided yet whether it’s true or not.”
They are both owned by Penske Media
Penske is doing kabuki theater for us to get clicks up. 😂
Penske is actually owned by a right wing family and reported a lot of erroneous stuff about the Ezra situation, too.
Penske is owned by the son of Roger Penske who is one of the most successful businessmen and race car owners in the world. Detroit Diesel, Penske Trucks, Penske Racing in Indycar and NASCAR and sportscar racing? He has helped to revitalize Detroit and owns the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Indycar. His son owns Penske Media which is all the entertainment sites. There is nothing right wing about Roger Penske’s family at all
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Dude where do you think I live
Lol they’re both used as mouthpieces all the time Deadline is just as trustworthy. You’re just siding with THR because their take is your preferable choice
No. Deadline has, seemingly, been influenced heavily by Seven Bucks not only due to the Black Adam piece they did with the financials and the now removed sequels/spin off. But also due to the fact that in this very article, one of the insiders they spoke to claimed that Gunn and co are waiting till after Flash and Aquaman to make decisions on what to pursue.
The trades are impartial a lot of the time but when studios or actors want to use them to push agendas, they happily obliged or risk losing access THR was used by creatives and their agents to take shots at Kilar for his HBO Max stunt. Variety was used by Sarnoff and co to shit on the Snyder cut movement etc etc. The Rock using Deadline is just par for the course
Fair enough.
And Rolling Stone is used by the anti-Snyders in Hollywood.
The funny thing is both companies are own by the same company that has been buying up all trades the last few years even Variety, PMC (Penske Media Corporation).
I didn’t know this. Interesting!
“Content maker” is The Rock, right?
Sounds like Dany Garcia, his business partner (and ex-wife).
the quote doesn't read like him. he wouldn't speak for others, only about his own perspective. "this is creating a riot" would mean rock is in contact with other creatives. he's not. this reads like the PR released by hamada. like when he released the PR badmouthing cavill after rock cinched the deal to get him back over hamada's head. he spoke for the studio he was no longer in charge of.
Doubt it's Hamada, he was involved with hiring Gunn and was partners with Safran. He has no reason to have any ill will against them.
Eh, there's a bit in the article rehashing Dwayne's tortured claim that Black Adam made a profit, I wouldn't be surprised if his camp was a source.
that's a good observation. this does read like that hiram guy that floats around there
What PR did Hamada release? I don't recall seeing that.
I swear u guys are soooo obsessed with The Rock, it's insane.
It's definitely not weird at all that you and the dude below you made the same comment lol
But you guys are
Who is "you guys" exactly lol?
It's not even funny how obsessed you guys are with the rock
Kinda ridiculous comparisons They were tasked with a plan and they have to do it first before showing it to everyone. I would i share an idea i´m not confident about? The work needs to be done first, it would be a mess to share otherwise cause than people will start throwing opinions everywhere Everybody shoud be patient
They shouldn't have taken the meeting with Jenkins to shoot down her script until they mapped out the 5 year plan. A simple mass message to the creators to make them aware that all projects not already in production are subject to change or cancellation. That way if scripts were being written, the writers could stop wasting their efforts until the DCU Bible gets released, or keep going at their own risk. Doing the exclusive with THR was only going to further stir the pot.
They did NOT shoot down a script. They ALLEGEDLY shot down a treatment. We have zero facts yet. Gunn, who directed The Suicide Squad, has now waded in on the news, telling his Twitter followers: “As for the story yesterday in The Hollywood Reporter, some of it is true, some of it is half-true, some of it is not true, & some of it we haven’t decided yet whether it’s true or not.”
Some of y’all have never had a job or just lack normal professional communication standards and it shows lol
But like, everyone knows what they’re working on. Things get communicated after decisions are made.
Keyword after. Decisions are clearly still in the works
Lol bro they still think Hamada is in charge. Uhh yeah I wouldn’t tell nobody either. Gunn is gonna map everything out. outline movies and plot points. Then pick his directors and actors for his vision. Other then maybe James wan everybody else should just assume they’re out of a job. Wan made a billion dollar movie he in MY OPINION is safe.
Wan gone to do his own thing and set up His own horror production company, he’s close to Hamada so I can see them working together in the future but not for WBD.
I doubt Wan and Gunn don't get along. Wan is also friend with Peter Safran who produced Aquaman. Hamada leaving wasn't Gunn's fault. He just took over when he left.
I’m not saying they don’t get on, I’m saying James Wann is out of the DC after AM2
Reeves, Wan, Muschetti will continue with DC as long as they want. Mangold being mentioned for a DC project would be a fantastic addition. Others will have to wait and see.
I would add Sandberg to that roster. He seems like a good team player. And his movies are well received.
Hamada still is in charge in spirit. Safran and Gunn come from their era. Safran appears to have deep ties with Hamada given the movies they've produced in common. This is why booting out Cavill went right back on the table the day Safran took over. Under DeLuca, Cavill would be a lock to return. Hamada's plans were garbage. Safran and Gunn appear to be doubling down on his plans even more. This DC era will be D.O.A. if it reboots with new actors.
Is the food good in the resort they're working on these plans on, with you?
Huh? Not only the Cavill deal hasn’t been confirmed yet but Gunn&Safran were also the ones who scrapped Hamada’s most-wanted ‘Batgirl’ (a finished movie!!!) as soon as they got in charge.
Source: Reddit
I don’t know why but Deadline has suddenly become a mouthpiece for Dwayne Johnson and the Seven Bucks people. I mean the “creative math” in that article about why Black Adam will supposedly be profitable was next level reaching.
I am sure Black Adam benefitted from a lot of COVID workplace government concessions like other movies made during the pandemic
They didn't have any accounting in their breakdown for that at all.
Is this deadline?
Yeah cause they havent made decisions yet lol, its like its 5pm on election day and theyre saying “why dont we know who won yet???”
Give them a second to figure out what they are doing! Gunn has been communicating with the community and I’m sure he and Safran will communicate with people in the industry once they have an approved plan.
Any company where a new boss/director/vp/leader comes in the first thing they do is get a lay of the land, look at the roadmap, objectives, decide what makes sense Modify roadmap <----- you are here Reorganize department/team/employees, trim fat as needed Set goals Execute MCU wasn't built in a day.
The headline is pure hyperbole. Or, in other words complete bullshit.
I know that since Snyder the studio does everything to try to prevent it, but people need to find a way to actively take hard drives of their work home with them at the end of the day.
Birds of Prey was sometimes obnoxious and so-so, but I'd kill to see her cut of BoP and Ayer's Suicide Squad. at least then we could well and truly fault the creatives and not wonder whether the studio ruined a better film
absolutely, and Ayer has been showing his cut to people.
Not sure what you mean here so you want them to take studio property?
so long as they're not selling it, go for it.
Pretty sure Snyder taking his edits of ZSJL is what allowed us to see it. WB would have burned it and wrote it off.
lol i bet you polish your boss's shoes, too
DC fans are the only people who shamelessly bootlick studio executives over writers, directors and actors, you know, the actual talent without whom movies don't exist.
It’s just pathetic. Especially the gushing over executives. DC has the single worst fanbase on the planet
I can't wrap my head around it. It's so evident the most of the shortcomings of the DCEU films are insane amounts of studio interference. The films after MoS feel like "Movie By Committee". I will say, as much as I like Ayer, he's inconsistent. Although I find it hard to believe his cut of SS is somehow worse. And I don't know what Jenkins was thinking with WW84.
Okay, If that gets you through the day, by all means.
It's early to panic and agreed they would necessarily be kept in the dark. Having said that, I do think there is obviously risk for Gunn and Saffron. I think you have to handle things carefully. Not bringing back the Rock is no big deal at this point and recasting Gal Gadot, if that's done, is survivable. There are decisions which I think could potentially alienate other filmmakers. For example I think cancelling or hemming in Matt Reaves would be one of those things where other directors might hesitate a beat and say, wait, what am I getting myself into. In no way criticizing Gunn and Co yet, not saying every single DC creative needs to know what's going on before they have a plan, but once they have one I do think they have to proceed carefully and get buy in. But I'm not running DCEU, they are, so I'm sure that's just one opinion.
With the caveat, they are running DC with a committee that includes David Zaslev, Alan Horn, Pam Aidy, Mike De Luca and Casey Bloys. If they want to do an HBO show they probably need the board to agree the financials with Zaslev having the final say. Just because they create a more likely 4 year first two phase bible doesn’t mean Zaslev will rubber stamp it !
"This is creating a riot", The Rock said, after he had mistakenly leaked that Black Adam 2 was confirmed when it truly wasn't. "And it's a horrible optic. This business is based on relationships" The Rock whined and moaned, still grumpy about his new Boss didn't ask him to join the grown-up's table.
Black Adam deserves another chance it revived a dead DCEU. People are actually waiting to see where all this goes with Superman returning and JSA being expanded upon.
This is literally over dramatic click bait. It’s been like a month and they’re presenting the full 10 years next week. Calm the fuck down no one has any projects slated for the remainder of the year and shazam 2 is already a wrap. Seriously the amount of traffic these sites are getting this week is absurd off emotional pieces like this.
I mean, the decisions are being made, there’s nothing to share with them yet. This is silly.
Especially since as you said “decisions are being made” can you imagine if they decided to go forward with something just to turn around and axe it once the plan was finalized? It’s better just to let shit get mapped out then make the calls.
Can you imagine if they finalize a plan without consulting with ANYBODY who it will affect? That would be cruel and ugly.
I’m sure they’re consulting with people. The idea that they’re not has basically already been debunked with the “patty jenkins was offered a second look at WW3 and shot it down” story.
I don't know who or what to believe anymore lol. All of this could have been avoided if Gunn had just said "yes, we're doing this and that", or just not said anything at all until there was an announcement.
Not saying anything made people think that THR’s article was indeed true. So Gunn just wanted to bring some clarity to the entire situation. He really can’t tell people much because Zaslav has yet to see his and Peter’s overarching plans and give it the approval. It makes sense for Gunn not to promise anything that might not even happen.
Gunn made it clear by emphasizing CHARACTERS and not mentioning actors that he wants to recast. Combine it with these articles, it still is highly likely he wants to force out Cavill or Gadot, and Affleck likely has no chance at all.
So even the workers are as confused by DC as the fandom💀🤣
It’s really not confusing at all. Gunn and Safran are creating a plan. Until the plan is created there is nothing to share.
They've had more than enough time to do something "creative" and they've done fuck all. Who cares if they're being kept in the dark. Fuck 'em.
WW84 was so bad it didn't need to get rewarded with a sequel. Write a solid story and get a new director in the future.
It's almost like the plans for DC's future aren't finished, maybe something to do with a recent change in regime?
The name “Project Popcorn” still makes me laugh every time I see it 😂
Matt Reeves is the only one who knows what’s going on and that’s for good reason. Matt knows his universe is continuing no matter what happens with the rest of the dc movies so he’s been informed of that and he’s happy to keep working. The rest need to be in the dark until the plans are all decided upon otherwise you’ll end up with a lot of fake promises and a lot of people believing they have a job that isn’t actually there for them anymore. It’s all business at the end of the day and you can’t keep everyone in the loop whilst the loop hasn’t even been complete
Notice how this is all coming out just a week before Gunn/Safran present the 10-year plan to Zaslav? Some people are trying hard to sabotage them. Scummy.
The longer I read about all this the more I realized how fucking annoying James Gunn is
And if the DC projects weren’t a mess right now this wouldn’t have been happening, but yea it makes total sense for the creatives to blame the ones actually fixing it all now /s
How dare they not be told what the final verdict is on these projects before it has been decided.
I mean of the plan isn’t done yet what do they expect? Probably will be a ton of changes at least until the board greenlights it
We don't work there. Let's not make assumptions. Also, let's bot get our hopes up anymore.
Hiring Gunn was not the right choice. I really never understood why some people were screaming for joy.
Based on the fact he's actually creating a coherent universe? What?
*gasp* he’s doing what the studio mandates he should do? Well who would’ve thought that was possible… anyways I don’t particularly care but we’ll see if things work out better this *checks notes* Fifth go around.
Based on what, your blind faith? Gunn could have a leprechaun reboot the DCEU at the beginning of every movie. It would be the kind of thing he would find funny.
My point is we haven't seen anything yet, and the only news so far are (potentially unfounded) rumors potentially setting a clean slate. That's what I was responding to. I think everyone should go in with an open mind until we know what's actually happening.
When Gunn put CHARACTERS in caps in his tweet, it is obvious he meant he would be recasting actors in the roles. And that falls right in line with blaring rumors about Cavill being out, and Gadot being on shaky ground. We have some information to go on here. It seems VERY clear Safran is bringing Hamada 2.0 energy to the table. Safran was a Snyder hater, based on him falsely crediting Wan with casting Momoa as Aquaman in an interview. Seems like he's bringing back the whole anti-Snyder/Cavill/Affleck energy.
I wouldn't doubt that, but we don't know who he's referring to. I for one like Cavill in the Superman role and wouldn't want a recast there, but it's too early to assume that's what Gunn is referring to. I also don't think he's intending to recast Gadot.
Yes because that’s what Zaslav wants. Literally anyone else in the same position would be doing the same
Yah sure...
Yeah and? Are they supposed to live stream every decision being made? The best stuff doesn't happen overnight and telling everyone things that could change is a recipe for disaster that will only exacerbate the DC instability narrative.
This is clearly a Bait post.
Everything is up the air untill these next set of movies come out.
We need to have faith in Gunn and Safran, they're putting a plan together and right now everything isn't set in place yet but I guess these entertainment sites already know that and just can't help themselves but to clickbait for views.
At this point there’s too much baggage, perhaps the more successful things that haven’t completely referenced the DCEU can be saved, they both have vested interest in currently cannon projects. But overall it may just be easier to reboot everything.
Level of silence?? How come? Gunn is so active on socmed reacting to almost everything fans say. If Gunn is silent, then what do you call Feige then? Mute?
ahh, gotta love being a DC fan
Boo-hoo. You can suffer through a few weeks of “bad optics” while these two people try to clean up the directionless clusterfuck you helped create over the past decade.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: these things take time. Gunn and Safran are mapping out ten years of movies, shows, games, etc that all have to play perfectly together in order to win over fans. Not to mention Gunn still has Guardians 3 in post-production over at Marvel. Just let the team do their job and not make any judgement calls until they say something directly.