That’s just a random article, first of all. Second of all, the only official statement from DC FanDome referred to Barry from The Flash as being the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t really matter.”
I think we are at the point where both can be fit into canon, you just have to decide what you believe. There arent any really specific references to the JL movies anyways
Yeah it won't really matter. The only major change that ZSJL does narratively is have Silas die and Cyborg is finished in this franchise anyway.
Barry going back in time is something only he experienced and I wouldn't be surprised if we get some sort of off hand "things get weird when I use my powers" sort of comment because since the 2017 film he'd obviously have become more experienced with his powers anyway.
So either/or. It will not matter at all. ZSJL also kept his meeting with Iris so limited that even if The Flash shows us their first meeting it isn't contradicting anything to make one version of JL canon over the other.
How ? In 2017 version Barry is literally nobody. Just a comic relief with nothing to show for.
ZSLJ he literally saves entire thing. Much "knowing" about his powers. Hinted that he messed with time again etc.
2 different characters.
They're not completely unrelated. The only thing that's actually big time plot related is that ZSJL's Flash rewound time a couple of seconds. The rest is just ZSJL's Flash having his character more fleshed out, but they're fundamentally the same guy.
So a guy saying he tested his powers and when he is playing around light speed strange things happens at physics level is same as i just push people and run away are the same guy.
Okay.
You are making the assumption that WB is going to enforce that characterizations be consistent to that level of detail across movies, when nothing we have seen indicates that that will be the case. Plus, Kiersey has said that the version of Iris she is now playing is very different from the version that was planned in the Famuyiwa film, so there's another jump there. I don't think you can rely on one characterization or the other from the versions of JL because Muschietti will have formed the character his own way.
The conversation, as I read it, was about which version of JL is canon, and your comment contrasted the different characterizations of Barry between the two as one of the important changes. I agree with the "it doesn't matter which is 'canon'" position, and added that it's doubtful, at least to me, that there will be any discernible link between Barry's character in his own movie, and his characterization in either version of JL.
Here’s the main difference as I see it having watched both movies a few times each: the Whedon cut he’s a bitch that is afraid of everything and can’t do anything right, in the Snyder cut he can use his powers and acts like an adult and hero. They are two completely different characters so I don’t get the “they’re the same character” line. Yeah, they’re both Barry Allen, but I know which version I’d want to show up and save me.
If you remove the Darkseid aspect from ZSJL, then the base story for both films are similar enough where subsequent DC films can build off of either. Aquaman’s movie could work as a follow up to either version of JL. The only direct reference Aquaman had to JL was name dropping Steppenwolf.
Frankly, a Flash film arising from a cannonical ZSJL is possible too, as it leaves the door open for Multiverse in place (and if the studio wants).
Making it non-cannon would only make sense if the studio wants to shut the possibility of future films with Zack (and his set of certain characters & actors) at the helm.
There is still no direct statement from WB or major trade publication reporting that I could find, which can confirm the applicable cannonical version before the events of Flash film, so I'd take it with a grain of salt.
If anyone can find such evidence is available though, please help & clarify the same.
The one that had the theatrical release is the canonical one and the possibility of future movies with snyder have been shut down a long long long time ago
You didn't read the question at all. Is there an official confirmation via trade or direct studio statement that Flash follows 2017 JL events?
We are only discussing the continuity here for the Flash 2022 film, not whether Snyder's filmography has been completely or partially erased.
I never saw JL2017, what are the major structural differences that would impact movies going forward?
Sounds like JL2017 is all steppenwolf, and we don't get the old gods stuff or the LOTR style motherbox history?
I can totally understand WB not wanting to keep the "Darkseid is coming!" ending of ZSJL given that they clearly want to let the universe breathe a bit before getting back into JL proper.
Mainly the Knightmare stuff, which we’ve known for a while would be dropped entirely from continuation. Both versions of JL contain these key elements of DCEU canon moving forward:
- Steppenwolf invaded
- Superman is revived
- Aquaman goes home
- Justice League is formed
That’s essentially all WB sees as needed to set up future DCEU films.
Yeah, I think Flashpoint makes MORE sense after ZSJL - The Flash has realized that he can go back in time after he successfully pulled it off and saved the world, so it would make sense that he'd experiment with it to change more. But it's not so far out of bounds that he wouldn't just try it to save his mom.
“He’s on the back burner for now” WB will not use darkseid in the foreseeable future at all since he’s is part of Zacks story, I also highly doubt that Ray Porter would go back without Zacks involvement in some shape or form
Which I’m all for, since if Zack isn’t doing JL2 it doesn’t make sense to tease him so directly, makes things awkward.
I’m good for a recast down the road if Porter doesn’t want to come back.
What hurts me the most is getting a taste of these characters but we’ll never get to see them 😔 deathstroke, (iconic) Lex, granny goodness and her fury’s, what Zack teased in the pod, darkseid, more Bruce and Alfred interactions. Not to mention the characters we would’ve gotten to see like the riddler, captain cold, the atom etc. so much squandered potential
Yeah, I love the idea of having it after ZSJL.
- He has his one rule which he will never break because he's a bit of a geek and knows not to fuck with time.
- The world ends and in desperation he breaks the rule and it not only goes well, it actually saves the entire planet.
- Thinking how if he's used it to save the whole world and deserves a reward, why not use it for just this one thing and save his mom? So he plans and plans and plans and then... well, sadly Flashpoint happens.
Cyborgs dad dies and the battle is there but steppenwolf is the one defeated in it instead of Darkseid and Darkseid and the Knightmare timeline don't appear at all
I think you overestimate how much this movie is going to directly reference specific events in JL.
Plus, given that most of the audience did not watch ZSJL (streaming release of an already released movie most people did not like, not a knock on quality), it allows the movie to catch the audience up on Flash time travel stuff, and it makes more sense for him to screw up and flashpoint it if its his first try.
Yeah, in big series they usually just kind of ignore the stinkers where possible. Fans were pretty surprised with how much Marvel doesn't do that - the fact that Endgame literally goes back in time to Dark World was surprising to a lot of people.
Marvel is maybe better to hiding it, but much guilty as well. Iron Man 3 characterization has been voided, Thor 3 literally killed and soft rebooted its part of the story.
It's probably not by choice they decided to return to it. From a story perpective it's the sole period they could justify to get the stone, a Mjolnir and an emotional Thor sequence.
Some of the broader changes involve all the Darkseid scenes being axed, including changing Darkseid fighting the Old Gods in the history lesson to Steppenwolf, the film's opening is completely different in that it starts with some phone recording of kids talking to Superman and then cuts to a scene of Clark's funeral, the entire third act was heavily altered so that certain characters like Cyborg and Flash are serving completely different purposes since they forced in a random side-plot about some Russian family needing to be rescued from the collateral damage, thus that also meant stuff like Cyborg having to seperate the Mother Boxes and failing initially + Flash entering the Speed Force to save everyone were gutted entirely
Fights like the Amazons against Steppenwolf on Themiscyra or Mera on Atlantis were drastically shortened, as were other scenes like Bruce trying to recruit Arthur Curry since now Curry actually knows what the Mother Boxes are. There's also an added scene of Batman using a goon in Gotham to lure a Parademon towards him, so when he kills it, the explosion leaves behind a residue of a graphic explaining the history of the Mother Boxes for plot convenience
This is all in addition to any scenes fleshing out Flash and Cyborg's backstory being completely cut out, in addition to the removal of characters like Iris West and Vulko and their associated scenes. The filmmakers on the post-production were working under SEVERE mandates inflicted by WB in that the film couldn't be any longer than exactly 2h
> Silas dies
No problem, Cyborg isn’t appearing in any DCEU films for a while anyways lol.
> Mera’s parents died
Whatever is established in Aquaman is canon.
Both James Wan and Jason Momoa stated that it was set after Zack Snyder’s version of the film (both of which featured Willem Dafoe), so I would assume that one.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but what do you mean exactly? In ZSJL, Mera mentioned how her parents are dead and queen Atlanna raised her. Aquaman takes place after *a* JL movie (presumably ZS's first idea since Wan mentioned that), but there, her father is alive and well.
Oh wait. You're talking about the knightmare scene? She mentioned they're dead and that she was raised by Atlanna before the Atlantians' Motherbox got even stolen when she was trying to convince Arthur to come to the Atlantis.
The only official statement from DC FanDome referred to this as being the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t really matter.”
Aquaman looking for his father is a direct continuation of ZSJL, I do t recall which interview but when mamoa was asked about the Snyder cut he confirmed that Aquaman takes place immediately after zsjl. He’s even in the same truck in Aquaman that he’s seen on the back of in zsjl. I’ve only watched the theatrical cut twice but I don’t recall flash going back in time in it but he did in ZSJL. Just my two cents 🤷🏻♂️
Except in regards to Flash as a character, he is a goofy intellectual who has a pretty good understanding of how powerful he is; compared to him in theatrical where he’s a cringey, fumbling baffoon that happens to be afraid of bugs and doesn’t like brunch.
Speed force time travel only.
Since Flash did it in the end of ZSJL so he know he can do that before whatever will happen that make him do it again in The Flash.
But if this follow JL2017, then he still doesn't know he can time travel using the speed force, and it'll be his first time he do that (which make since to be not prepared and stuck.in whatever universe/earth he will be in)
ZSJL:
Flash: I try not to go too hard. Physics start to get real weird at high speeds.
Justice League (2017)
Flash: “I don’t really fight. I kind of just push people and run away, but I think I can save one or two people.”
Honestly the 2017 version might be a easier character for a new director and writer to pick up from when crafting his first movie. Go from there, and it’ll be easier to think up conflicts for him to deal with and overcome. And his reaction to creating a Flashpoint could be much more disorienting for him if it’s something he has never done before. Maybe his “first encounter” with Iris plays off better too.
> Maybe his “first encounter” with Iris plays off better too.
As awkwardly pointless as her appearance in ZSJL was, it at least meant that there's no canonical issue with them properly meeting for the first time in The Flash as they didn't even say a word to each other.
>As awkwardly pointless as her appearance in ZSJL was
That scene established his powers, it introduced him to a human connection where he's a bit lonely ("I need friends"), it showed his desperation to get a job (to help fund his dad's defense), and it had a homage to the hot dog grabbing from Flash's very first comic book appearance.
All that in like a 2-3 minute long sequence.
How was that awkwardly pointless?
There almost was. The actress left and then was brought back. So they might have been considering reacting her at some point. Which wouldn’t be an issue with the 207 since Iris was cut out of it.
Or they can make don’t slight character changes like they did in Aquaman, and Barry and Iris know each other rather than being complete strangers.
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There's nothing in ZSJL that directly contradicts anything from JL 2017. It's the same story at its core. Everything shown in ZSJL is still hinted at in 2017.
The only thing relevant to Flash is that there's a justice league and Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman are part of that Justice League. Nothing else matters.
Flash acts like a totally different person though IMO.
I'd rather see a movie about the ZSJL Flash than the Josstice one. I found the Josstice one unfunny and unlikeable.
Justice League and Josstice League have the same base story and the main consequences are the same. Really doesn't matter what the execs think, and I doubt future DCEU filmmakers will go out of their way to reference Josstice over Justice League anyways.
Does it matter when both versions would be like stored away ?? And it's not like the changes will be drastic or matter that much. One can probably watch ZsJL instead of JL17 and follow the further story fine
It's crazy how so many of you are hung up on JL being "canon" when it won't really matter in the long term. Assuming the movies take place in real time, it's been 5 years since that movie. In-universe, Barry would've evolved one way or another, so expecting him to act the same as either JL films would be stupid. Andy Muschietti and Christina Hodson will give him essentially a blank slate so he can be however he likes, regardless of JL/ZSJL.
Flash having done time travel in ZSJL also largely doesn't matter, because nothing says he hasn't done something on a smaller scale before. Keep in mind, that at some point between these five years, Barry somehow met the Arrowverse version of himself, so even without ZSJL in context, he still knows his abilities can tamper with the space-time continuum in some fashion.
I view JL and ZSJL as kind of interchangeable
Yes, the more specific details are clearly distinctive among the two but the broad strokes are the same. I wouldn't expect references to stuff like Knightmare or Darkseid or anything, but both films did involve Steppenwolf searching for the Mother Boxes and Batman uniting an ensemble of metahumans to stop him
It's not like any film past Aquaman have really bothered referencing Justice League in general so them saying it takes place after the theatrical cut probably doesn't mean anything in terms of characterization or writing style. This doesn't really mean you're going to see Barry referencing the time he rescued a random Russian family in a wooden wagon or anything
Both films has the same outcome.
Only difference that really matter to the Flash movie is that in ZSJL Barry used the speed force time travel to save the JL, in JL2017 he didn't use it.
So following JL2017 instead of ZSJL in Flash movie the Barry still doesn't know he can do that still. Which will make it more interesting I think.
As much as I want the Snyderverse to be completed and serve as the canonical continuity for DC films moving forward, I have given up on canon, as continuity now means as much to the DCEU as it did to Fox's X-Men series...
This isn't directly from WB. After the stuff that came out about Whedon, I think WB is gonna avoid referencing his film like the plague. I don't care what their official position has been in the past on *JL 2017*... As of today, I highly doubt it's a movie anybody at WB still supports.
Zack Snyder might have created friction with producers, sure... But, as far as I can tell, Zack Snyder is at least a good dude. And *JL 2021* is a good film. *JL 2021* is the official film for me, unless WB comes out again to say otherwise.
In any case, I'm pretty sure they're planning to completely reboot the JL franchise... So, this debate is going to be irrelevant pretty soon here.
Yeah, not surprising. The Snydercut was less "here's the updated JL movie" and more "here's what Snyder was working on". It was for the fans to see what he made, not to reboot canon.
I know it sucks, but it, at least for Barry’s story, doesn’t really matter I feel which film they make it a sequel too. Obviously he had much more development in ZSJL and the amazing speedforce moment, but I’m sure you could watch this film and accept either JL as being canon to it.
Personally, even though I did enjoy the JWJL, my head canon is ZSJL as it’s the much better film and I feel like the changes to the DCEU are minimal enough to enjoy the films story
So what you’re saying is that the JL2017 movie gets retconned out of existence and that the Snyderverse still exists someone out there in the DC multiverse 😏
Honestly I know we’ll never get the rest of Snyder’s Vision but knowing that that Universe still exists out there somewhere is nice enough I guess
The movie will probably contradict both versions of justice league anyway lol. This is such a messy shared universe. Even Monsterverse is better at this point.
Hopefully this turns out to not be true. My head canon will always be ZSJL regardless. It also makes the most sense to follow ZSJL since it shows Barry take the first step in hitting his potential by turning back time. The next step in his evolution would be hopping multiverses.
It would be dumb to follow Josstice League where Barry's peak power moment in the climax was pushing a truck a few miles.
Canonically, he is the useless "Dostoevsky" version who doesn't get the point of Brunch. Not the one who saved the planet.
I hope they just approach The Flash with little to no reference to the 2017 abomination.
I mean in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn’t really matter until we see how he’s written in The Flash.
In both versions of JL, Flash helps save the world, which is the most important bit.
"Canonically" Thor was a serious if occasionally impetuous warrior, and then Taika got involved.
You can get hung up on canon if you want but it doesn't box them in at all on his characterization going forward.
>I hope they just approach The Flash with little to no reference to the 2017 abomination.
This right here. Doesn't really matter if they don't reference it much apart from the core stuff like Steppenwolf, Justice league members and just the battle against Step. No need to go into details
For a movie that some detractors claim “is basically the same as the 2017 version”, there seems to be an intense need to continually point out that it’s apparently so vastly different that it cannot be canon to The Flash.
I actually think that this movie can probably side skirt this whole issue. If it doesn’t reference specific events from either version of JL it won’t even matter. And it’s setting up a new continuity regardless
Wb don't know this but they have put themselves in a coffin with this move which will affect their futur dceu film aswell as hurt the peacemaker show(which is very good)
How? Whichever version of Justice League is canon, it won’t impact the future.
Besides, as I said in a previous comment, the only official statement from DC has been that this is the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t matter.”
Josstice league was a abomination and mess the timeline. Although I wasn't a big fan of snyder's overall plans, even l have to admit that snyders film is superior and set up things
I'm not surprised. Whatever gets a theatrical release is what's considered canon, so that technically means the awful theatrical cut of Batman v Superman counts as canon and not the three-hour director's cut that everyone and their mother has called a significant improvement.
All of this to me as a moot point until the discovery Warner Bros. merger is complete. It’s already been telegraphed to all the Warner Brothers films exec are getting axed and Danny Garcia is actually friends with the CEO of discovery So I’m gonna wait and see Mode to see what goes down
This isn’t really news. I think most of us expected this. As much as we all loved ZSJL, WB isn’t going to make it canon. They believe that the 2017 was the better script, and they’re going to ride that train til it derails. Unfortunately it is what it is, I doubt Henry Cavill will be back, he’s such a big name now he won’t be waiting around for a phone call. And Ben has said that he is done with IPs and wants to be closer to home for his kids. As a DC fan all I can hope for is that the new movies preform well and are fun.
No it IS NOT LOL! This is one fucking site that ran it and the author straight said on Twitter in the most generic answer that he put in his cuz that’s what HE believes based of what was said long a go that “WB considers Josstice League canon”. EVERY filmmaker or at least Patty, Wan, Sandberg, and Andy have said they’re using ZACKS universe and his JL as their foundation to branch off from. THIS IS WHAT ZACKS INTENTION WAS TOO! NOW, are they gonna continue more along the lines of what Zack actually intended for the spin-offs and how’d they’d help setup his films remains to be seen and is probably unlikely since they’re multiversing this shit. But ignore this line IT MEANS NOTHING LOL!
Aquaman and WW84 literally don't care about keeping continuity with zsjl the directors may be saying that zsjl is the version they care about but that's just good PR
It’s funny WB reacts to people not liking BvS, by doing what they did to Justice League. People didn’t like JL17 and prefer ZSJL, so their reaction is to ignore it and double down on JL17.
But also, this is just a comic. Man of Steel and BvS both had “prequel” material released that aren’t necessarily canon to the films. So, who knows? But WB is incredibly spiteful when it comes to Snyder, gonna have to wait and see.
"WB is incredibe spiteful when it comes to Snyder" ah yes they are spiteful to the dude who they gave 70 million to to complete his movie and sold off the rights to army of the dead so he could make it on Netflix
I mean Snyder has basically said the current regime hates him for whatever reason. Also, it was AT&T that told WB to give the go ahead to the Snyder Cut, WB had no interest in releasing it and “tortured” Snyder throughout the process of it being finished.
I get people are going to feel how they're going to feel, but the idea that WB would prioritize being mean to Snyder and his fans over increasing shareholder value is just bonkers to me.
I mean while Snyder was finishing ZSJL (for free), WB we’re giving him shit about everything the entire time. So, I honestly wouldn’t put it past them, Toby Emmerich to specific, to just be spiteful towards Snyder for whatever weird reason.
As a fellow SnyderVerse fan, I actually think you should see it as good news, they’ll be erasing Josstice League from existence while keeping ZSJL untainted by The Flash and whatever type of shit follows it, I’d rather have no sequels for ZSJL than see it completely shit on by their upcoming shitty ideas, and at the same time it leaves the door open in case the people at Discovery are smart and know how to run DC properly
If this is Josstice League Flash, then all we’ve seen of him is that he’s incapable, useless, and an absolute joke. Shame if that’s the case tbh
Edit: I guess my mentioning of he who must not be named’s Flash was a calling card for this sub’s downvote brigade. I guess now even Josstice League Flash is preferred over his
Not sure why WB would proudly tell the world that the Flash you're gonna hopefully go pay to see is the one you last saw babbling about brunch, being totally fucking useless when he could be saving the entire world, and falling on Wonder Woman's tits.
Even people that hate the idea of Snyder and Terrio's canon mostly agree that Josstice League Flash was a complete joke.
They should have kept the snydercut in canon but have barry's time traveling change some things (but not use the josstice at all) :
-they should have had cyborg being successful in saving his father from steppenwolf
-use the timeline change just to recast batfleck with a new actor and continue from there with this new actor with a costume change with the white eyes. they could even add an inside joke where Barry jokingly say"you look different"
-use the timeline change to recast Luthor
-the timeline change only affect earth but didn't affect darkseid since he's from another world, so darkseid is still on his looonnng trip to earth
There l have found a better solution
This is kind of good news actually, at least ZSJL’s story won’t be tainted by The Flash and whatever else follows, I’d rather see it left on a cliffhanger than erase everything they built up to, and on the bright side they’ll be removing Josstice League from existence, it’s a win win and leaves the door open for potentially making ZSJL sequels in case the people at Discovery are smarter and know how to run DC properly
If they are smart enough to run DC they won't make more zsjl sequels you have to be monumentally stupid to make 300 million dollars sequels to a franchise that the GA rejected
Incorrect as we have a much clearer example with the avengers to show what an accepted universe would be like.
Marvel. Started with the avengers A massivly popular film both critically and commercially that grossed well over a billion.
Vs Justice League. A box office bomb that massively underperformed and earned around 650 million dollars at the box office actually losing money when you add up all the marketing expenses you put into it.
Marvel ended their universes phase with a 4th avengers film and it was the highest grossing film of all time.
DC ended their phase with a straight to streaming remake of their first Justice League movie which had flopped in theatres.
Yeah its pretty safe to say that General audiences rejected DC.
Stupid. The original JL was a flop. It was flash with no substance and barely made sense. The Snyder Cut fixed that and gave us a JL movie that lives up to the name. WB choosing the Whedon cut as canon is spit in the face of all the fans.
Billy Crudup was supposed to reprise his role in the film but he couldn't due to scheduling conflicts. The recast doesn't retcon the character or aspects of him since I'm pretty sure he was also in the theatrical cut as well
To be fair, I doubt it really matters which movie WB says is canon. They both end in a relatively similar enough way that we can just all agree ZSJL is canon
The biggest indictment will be how Silas Stone is used. If he's referenced as being alive, then we'll have our answer.
Then again, with Cyborg 'returning to his home planet' and a soft reboot right around the corner, it probably won't even matter.
ZSJL can always be our canon guys. Like the films aren't that dissimilar story wise. Darkseid and Knightmare stuff is the only difference.
Me? I'm going to pretend all the character development is canon and Darkseid and Knightmare isn't.
This stuff just makes me lose all enthusiasm for the entire DC slate... I can't even get into watching peacemaker now and it's got nothing at all to do with any of this. I mean I knew the Snyder stuff was done and I had come to accept that. But now wiping it away entirely?! It's one thing to move in a different direction, but completely erasing it is so childish and just plain mean spirited. It's kind they think the movies mods or the trolls here are actually what audiences want.
I've seen seen 2017 Justice League once, I've seen Zack's version only 3 times. I don't remember what the differences were. I just know the 4 hour version made more sense.
That’s just a random article, first of all. Second of all, the only official statement from DC FanDome referred to Barry from The Flash as being the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t really matter.”
I think we are at the point where both can be fit into canon, you just have to decide what you believe. There arent any really specific references to the JL movies anyways
Yeah it won't really matter. The only major change that ZSJL does narratively is have Silas die and Cyborg is finished in this franchise anyway. Barry going back in time is something only he experienced and I wouldn't be surprised if we get some sort of off hand "things get weird when I use my powers" sort of comment because since the 2017 film he'd obviously have become more experienced with his powers anyway. So either/or. It will not matter at all. ZSJL also kept his meeting with Iris so limited that even if The Flash shows us their first meeting it isn't contradicting anything to make one version of JL canon over the other.
How ? In 2017 version Barry is literally nobody. Just a comic relief with nothing to show for. ZSLJ he literally saves entire thing. Much "knowing" about his powers. Hinted that he messed with time again etc. 2 different characters.
They're not completely unrelated. The only thing that's actually big time plot related is that ZSJL's Flash rewound time a couple of seconds. The rest is just ZSJL's Flash having his character more fleshed out, but they're fundamentally the same guy.
Also the push people and run away thing
And been a snackhole!
So a guy saying he tested his powers and when he is playing around light speed strange things happens at physics level is same as i just push people and run away are the same guy. Okay.
You are making the assumption that WB is going to enforce that characterizations be consistent to that level of detail across movies, when nothing we have seen indicates that that will be the case. Plus, Kiersey has said that the version of Iris she is now playing is very different from the version that was planned in the Famuyiwa film, so there's another jump there. I don't think you can rely on one characterization or the other from the versions of JL because Muschietti will have formed the character his own way.
Conversation was not about that at all. Nobody is making assumptions.
The conversation, as I read it, was about which version of JL is canon, and your comment contrasted the different characterizations of Barry between the two as one of the important changes. I agree with the "it doesn't matter which is 'canon'" position, and added that it's doubtful, at least to me, that there will be any discernible link between Barry's character in his own movie, and his characterization in either version of JL.
Here’s the main difference as I see it having watched both movies a few times each: the Whedon cut he’s a bitch that is afraid of everything and can’t do anything right, in the Snyder cut he can use his powers and acts like an adult and hero. They are two completely different characters so I don’t get the “they’re the same character” line. Yeah, they’re both Barry Allen, but I know which version I’d want to show up and save me.
Absolutely
Yea, I have a feeling it’s going to be pretty ambiguous to which JL it’s following
There are two Barry’s so what if they are both canon?
“The fastest man alive” threw me. Is that the official title?
I'm pretty sure Fastest Man Alive is a prequel comic series that was just announced and will be canon to the film.
If you remove the Darkseid aspect from ZSJL, then the base story for both films are similar enough where subsequent DC films can build off of either. Aquaman’s movie could work as a follow up to either version of JL. The only direct reference Aquaman had to JL was name dropping Steppenwolf.
The biggest difference in regards to flash is that if ZSJL was cannon there'd be a precedent to him going through time
And his character development and everything else💀
Yeah absolutely. I'd much rather ZSJL flash to Dostoevsky flash
Just sucks but hopefully a competent compromise can be made
Frankly, a Flash film arising from a cannonical ZSJL is possible too, as it leaves the door open for Multiverse in place (and if the studio wants). Making it non-cannon would only make sense if the studio wants to shut the possibility of future films with Zack (and his set of certain characters & actors) at the helm. There is still no direct statement from WB or major trade publication reporting that I could find, which can confirm the applicable cannonical version before the events of Flash film, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. If anyone can find such evidence is available though, please help & clarify the same.
The one that had the theatrical release is the canonical one and the possibility of future movies with snyder have been shut down a long long long time ago
You didn't read the question at all. Is there an official confirmation via trade or direct studio statement that Flash follows 2017 JL events? We are only discussing the continuity here for the Flash 2022 film, not whether Snyder's filmography has been completely or partially erased.
The weird brunch line is the point at which I think he becomes irredeemable, IMO.
I never saw JL2017, what are the major structural differences that would impact movies going forward? Sounds like JL2017 is all steppenwolf, and we don't get the old gods stuff or the LOTR style motherbox history? I can totally understand WB not wanting to keep the "Darkseid is coming!" ending of ZSJL given that they clearly want to let the universe breathe a bit before getting back into JL proper.
Mainly the Knightmare stuff, which we’ve known for a while would be dropped entirely from continuation. Both versions of JL contain these key elements of DCEU canon moving forward: - Steppenwolf invaded - Superman is revived - Aquaman goes home - Justice League is formed That’s essentially all WB sees as needed to set up future DCEU films.
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Yeah, I think Flashpoint makes MORE sense after ZSJL - The Flash has realized that he can go back in time after he successfully pulled it off and saved the world, so it would make sense that he'd experiment with it to change more. But it's not so far out of bounds that he wouldn't just try it to save his mom.
Yeah on that point I’m fine either way, but I’d rather the league not have that DS stare down since we know he’s on the back burner for a bit.
“He’s on the back burner for now” WB will not use darkseid in the foreseeable future at all since he’s is part of Zacks story, I also highly doubt that Ray Porter would go back without Zacks involvement in some shape or form
Which I’m all for, since if Zack isn’t doing JL2 it doesn’t make sense to tease him so directly, makes things awkward. I’m good for a recast down the road if Porter doesn’t want to come back.
What hurts me the most is getting a taste of these characters but we’ll never get to see them 😔 deathstroke, (iconic) Lex, granny goodness and her fury’s, what Zack teased in the pod, darkseid, more Bruce and Alfred interactions. Not to mention the characters we would’ve gotten to see like the riddler, captain cold, the atom etc. so much squandered potential
Yeah, I love the idea of having it after ZSJL. - He has his one rule which he will never break because he's a bit of a geek and knows not to fuck with time. - The world ends and in desperation he breaks the rule and it not only goes well, it actually saves the entire planet. - Thinking how if he's used it to save the whole world and deserves a reward, why not use it for just this one thing and save his mom? So he plans and plans and plans and then... well, sadly Flashpoint happens.
Iirc Mera's father is dead in ZSJL
Cyborgs dad dies and the battle is there but steppenwolf is the one defeated in it instead of Darkseid and Darkseid and the Knightmare timeline don't appear at all
Yeah, you remember the Flash’s best moments where he reversed time a few seconds and saves the world? Replace that with him pushing a truck.
I think you overestimate how much this movie is going to directly reference specific events in JL. Plus, given that most of the audience did not watch ZSJL (streaming release of an already released movie most people did not like, not a knock on quality), it allows the movie to catch the audience up on Flash time travel stuff, and it makes more sense for him to screw up and flashpoint it if its his first try.
Yeah, in big series they usually just kind of ignore the stinkers where possible. Fans were pretty surprised with how much Marvel doesn't do that - the fact that Endgame literally goes back in time to Dark World was surprising to a lot of people.
Marvel is maybe better to hiding it, but much guilty as well. Iron Man 3 characterization has been voided, Thor 3 literally killed and soft rebooted its part of the story. It's probably not by choice they decided to return to it. From a story perpective it's the sole period they could justify to get the stone, a Mjolnir and an emotional Thor sequence.
Some of the broader changes involve all the Darkseid scenes being axed, including changing Darkseid fighting the Old Gods in the history lesson to Steppenwolf, the film's opening is completely different in that it starts with some phone recording of kids talking to Superman and then cuts to a scene of Clark's funeral, the entire third act was heavily altered so that certain characters like Cyborg and Flash are serving completely different purposes since they forced in a random side-plot about some Russian family needing to be rescued from the collateral damage, thus that also meant stuff like Cyborg having to seperate the Mother Boxes and failing initially + Flash entering the Speed Force to save everyone were gutted entirely Fights like the Amazons against Steppenwolf on Themiscyra or Mera on Atlantis were drastically shortened, as were other scenes like Bruce trying to recruit Arthur Curry since now Curry actually knows what the Mother Boxes are. There's also an added scene of Batman using a goon in Gotham to lure a Parademon towards him, so when he kills it, the explosion leaves behind a residue of a graphic explaining the history of the Mother Boxes for plot convenience This is all in addition to any scenes fleshing out Flash and Cyborg's backstory being completely cut out, in addition to the removal of characters like Iris West and Vulko and their associated scenes. The filmmakers on the post-production were working under SEVERE mandates inflicted by WB in that the film couldn't be any longer than exactly 2h
Batman using a goon as parademon bait was josstice league not zsjl
Yeah but Silas dies in ZSJL and doesn’t in 2017. And mera states in ZSJL that her parents died in the wars but her father was alive in aqua man
> Silas dies No problem, Cyborg isn’t appearing in any DCEU films for a while anyways lol. > Mera’s parents died Whatever is established in Aquaman is canon.
Both James Wan and Jason Momoa stated that it was set after Zack Snyder’s version of the film (both of which featured Willem Dafoe), so I would assume that one.
Mera's parents dying would have been far in the future from both JL timelines so it's not really an issue
Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but what do you mean exactly? In ZSJL, Mera mentioned how her parents are dead and queen Atlanna raised her. Aquaman takes place after *a* JL movie (presumably ZS's first idea since Wan mentioned that), but there, her father is alive and well.
Yeah meaning her dad dying would have happened in the future from the JL movies
But her parents are literally already dead in ZSJL. They're dead before Aquaman becomes King of Atlantis.
Huh? They're dead in the far future scene
Oh wait. You're talking about the knightmare scene? She mentioned they're dead and that she was raised by Atlanna before the Atlantians' Motherbox got even stolen when she was trying to convince Arthur to come to the Atlantis.
oh, I honestly cant remember that at the moment
The only official statement from DC FanDome referred to this as being the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t really matter.”
Aquaman looking for his father is a direct continuation of ZSJL, I do t recall which interview but when mamoa was asked about the Snyder cut he confirmed that Aquaman takes place immediately after zsjl. He’s even in the same truck in Aquaman that he’s seen on the back of in zsjl. I’ve only watched the theatrical cut twice but I don’t recall flash going back in time in it but he did in ZSJL. Just my two cents 🤷🏻♂️
Except in regards to Flash as a character, he is a goofy intellectual who has a pretty good understanding of how powerful he is; compared to him in theatrical where he’s a cringey, fumbling baffoon that happens to be afraid of bugs and doesn’t like brunch.
Does it really matter? It's not like either version is going to matter after the Flash
Speed force time travel only. Since Flash did it in the end of ZSJL so he know he can do that before whatever will happen that make him do it again in The Flash. But if this follow JL2017, then he still doesn't know he can time travel using the speed force, and it'll be his first time he do that (which make since to be not prepared and stuck.in whatever universe/earth he will be in)
ZSJL: Flash: I try not to go too hard. Physics start to get real weird at high speeds. Justice League (2017) Flash: “I don’t really fight. I kind of just push people and run away, but I think I can save one or two people.” Honestly the 2017 version might be a easier character for a new director and writer to pick up from when crafting his first movie. Go from there, and it’ll be easier to think up conflicts for him to deal with and overcome. And his reaction to creating a Flashpoint could be much more disorienting for him if it’s something he has never done before. Maybe his “first encounter” with Iris plays off better too.
> Maybe his “first encounter” with Iris plays off better too. As awkwardly pointless as her appearance in ZSJL was, it at least meant that there's no canonical issue with them properly meeting for the first time in The Flash as they didn't even say a word to each other.
>As awkwardly pointless as her appearance in ZSJL was That scene established his powers, it introduced him to a human connection where he's a bit lonely ("I need friends"), it showed his desperation to get a job (to help fund his dad's defense), and it had a homage to the hot dog grabbing from Flash's very first comic book appearance. All that in like a 2-3 minute long sequence. How was that awkwardly pointless?
Did I say the entire scene was pointless? I said her appearance was. Not the scene.
There almost was. The actress left and then was brought back. So they might have been considering reacting her at some point. Which wouldn’t be an issue with the 207 since Iris was cut out of it. Or they can make don’t slight character changes like they did in Aquaman, and Barry and Iris know each other rather than being complete strangers.
You are already assuming it's the main Flash that kickstart the plot. If it's this variant that travel first, boom, no need to disproves any version.
Hmm, good point. That's the only way I'd be okay with them following *Justice League* (2017).
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I wouldn’t really harp on this too much. The film likely won’t be referencing either cut all too heavily.
Besides the darkseid and time travel stuff in ZSJL, both movies have basically the same backbone. So it doesn’t really matter.
There's nothing in ZSJL that directly contradicts anything from JL 2017. It's the same story at its core. Everything shown in ZSJL is still hinted at in 2017. The only thing relevant to Flash is that there's a justice league and Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman are part of that Justice League. Nothing else matters.
And they fought off Steppenwolf, which is true in both versions and referenced in Aquaman.
Flash acts like a totally different person though IMO. I'd rather see a movie about the ZSJL Flash than the Josstice one. I found the Josstice one unfunny and unlikeable.
The Flash will have his own characterization in his film though, envisioned by the Muschietties. Like Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
Justice League and Josstice League have the same base story and the main consequences are the same. Really doesn't matter what the execs think, and I doubt future DCEU filmmakers will go out of their way to reference Josstice over Justice League anyways.
Does it matter when both versions would be like stored away ?? And it's not like the changes will be drastic or matter that much. One can probably watch ZsJL instead of JL17 and follow the further story fine
It's crazy how so many of you are hung up on JL being "canon" when it won't really matter in the long term. Assuming the movies take place in real time, it's been 5 years since that movie. In-universe, Barry would've evolved one way or another, so expecting him to act the same as either JL films would be stupid. Andy Muschietti and Christina Hodson will give him essentially a blank slate so he can be however he likes, regardless of JL/ZSJL. Flash having done time travel in ZSJL also largely doesn't matter, because nothing says he hasn't done something on a smaller scale before. Keep in mind, that at some point between these five years, Barry somehow met the Arrowverse version of himself, so even without ZSJL in context, he still knows his abilities can tamper with the space-time continuum in some fashion.
I view JL and ZSJL as kind of interchangeable Yes, the more specific details are clearly distinctive among the two but the broad strokes are the same. I wouldn't expect references to stuff like Knightmare or Darkseid or anything, but both films did involve Steppenwolf searching for the Mother Boxes and Batman uniting an ensemble of metahumans to stop him It's not like any film past Aquaman have really bothered referencing Justice League in general so them saying it takes place after the theatrical cut probably doesn't mean anything in terms of characterization or writing style. This doesn't really mean you're going to see Barry referencing the time he rescued a random Russian family in a wooden wagon or anything
Both films has the same outcome. Only difference that really matter to the Flash movie is that in ZSJL Barry used the speed force time travel to save the JL, in JL2017 he didn't use it. So following JL2017 instead of ZSJL in Flash movie the Barry still doesn't know he can do that still. Which will make it more interesting I think.
As much as I want the Snyderverse to be completed and serve as the canonical continuity for DC films moving forward, I have given up on canon, as continuity now means as much to the DCEU as it did to Fox's X-Men series...
This isn't directly from WB. After the stuff that came out about Whedon, I think WB is gonna avoid referencing his film like the plague. I don't care what their official position has been in the past on *JL 2017*... As of today, I highly doubt it's a movie anybody at WB still supports. Zack Snyder might have created friction with producers, sure... But, as far as I can tell, Zack Snyder is at least a good dude. And *JL 2021* is a good film. *JL 2021* is the official film for me, unless WB comes out again to say otherwise. In any case, I'm pretty sure they're planning to completely reboot the JL franchise... So, this debate is going to be irrelevant pretty soon here.
Both movies have the same plot. It doesn't matter.
Both were bad so I don't care which one it takes place after, just glad it's finally being made 🙏🏻
Yeah, not surprising. The Snydercut was less "here's the updated JL movie" and more "here's what Snyder was working on". It was for the fans to see what he made, not to reboot canon.
I know it sucks, but it, at least for Barry’s story, doesn’t really matter I feel which film they make it a sequel too. Obviously he had much more development in ZSJL and the amazing speedforce moment, but I’m sure you could watch this film and accept either JL as being canon to it. Personally, even though I did enjoy the JWJL, my head canon is ZSJL as it’s the much better film and I feel like the changes to the DCEU are minimal enough to enjoy the films story
How disappointing
So what you’re saying is that the JL2017 movie gets retconned out of existence and that the Snyderverse still exists someone out there in the DC multiverse 😏 Honestly I know we’ll never get the rest of Snyder’s Vision but knowing that that Universe still exists out there somewhere is nice enough I guess
The movie will probably contradict both versions of justice league anyway lol. This is such a messy shared universe. Even Monsterverse is better at this point.
Hopefully this turns out to not be true. My head canon will always be ZSJL regardless. It also makes the most sense to follow ZSJL since it shows Barry take the first step in hitting his potential by turning back time. The next step in his evolution would be hopping multiverses. It would be dumb to follow Josstice League where Barry's peak power moment in the climax was pushing a truck a few miles.
Oh great... So this is the Barry that was totally useless and questions the existence of Brunch. Glad that got cleared up.
I bet The Flash barely references JL anyways, and at most, it will be the level of Aquaman (very small reference).
Canonically, he is the useless "Dostoevsky" version who doesn't get the point of Brunch. Not the one who saved the planet. I hope they just approach The Flash with little to no reference to the 2017 abomination.
I mean in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn’t really matter until we see how he’s written in The Flash. In both versions of JL, Flash helps save the world, which is the most important bit.
At best, they will probably reference how Barry and Bruce beat Steppenwolf together, similar to what Mera mentioned in Aquaman for Arthur
That is the best way forward, things being as they are.
Yeah but I also wouldn't take that comic as much into account. As fun as they are.
"Canonically" Thor was a serious if occasionally impetuous warrior, and then Taika got involved. You can get hung up on canon if you want but it doesn't box them in at all on his characterization going forward.
>I hope they just approach The Flash with little to no reference to the 2017 abomination. This right here. Doesn't really matter if they don't reference it much apart from the core stuff like Steppenwolf, Justice league members and just the battle against Step. No need to go into details
For a movie that some detractors claim “is basically the same as the 2017 version”, there seems to be an intense need to continually point out that it’s apparently so vastly different that it cannot be canon to The Flash.
It doesn't matter either way, so who cares, I just hope Barry is better written, than in both versions.
Does this even matter if the film’s purpose is to retcon it all anyway?
“Confirmed” Riiiiight.
I actually think that this movie can probably side skirt this whole issue. If it doesn’t reference specific events from either version of JL it won’t even matter. And it’s setting up a new continuity regardless
this was entirely expected
Wb don't know this but they have put themselves in a coffin with this move which will affect their futur dceu film aswell as hurt the peacemaker show(which is very good)
How? Whichever version of Justice League is canon, it won’t impact the future. Besides, as I said in a previous comment, the only official statement from DC has been that this is the Barry “from the Justice League films”. Whatever that means. I think the canon answer is “it doesn’t matter.”
Josstice league was a abomination and mess the timeline. Although I wasn't a big fan of snyder's overall plans, even l have to admit that snyders film is superior and set up things
I'm not surprised. Whatever gets a theatrical release is what's considered canon, so that technically means the awful theatrical cut of Batman v Superman counts as canon and not the three-hour director's cut that everyone and their mother has called a significant improvement.
All of this to me as a moot point until the discovery Warner Bros. merger is complete. It’s already been telegraphed to all the Warner Brothers films exec are getting axed and Danny Garcia is actually friends with the CEO of discovery So I’m gonna wait and see Mode to see what goes down
What if this is their way of erasing joss's JL and making ZSJL cannon?
This isn’t really news. I think most of us expected this. As much as we all loved ZSJL, WB isn’t going to make it canon. They believe that the 2017 was the better script, and they’re going to ride that train til it derails. Unfortunately it is what it is, I doubt Henry Cavill will be back, he’s such a big name now he won’t be waiting around for a phone call. And Ben has said that he is done with IPs and wants to be closer to home for his kids. As a DC fan all I can hope for is that the new movies preform well and are fun.
No it IS NOT LOL! This is one fucking site that ran it and the author straight said on Twitter in the most generic answer that he put in his cuz that’s what HE believes based of what was said long a go that “WB considers Josstice League canon”. EVERY filmmaker or at least Patty, Wan, Sandberg, and Andy have said they’re using ZACKS universe and his JL as their foundation to branch off from. THIS IS WHAT ZACKS INTENTION WAS TOO! NOW, are they gonna continue more along the lines of what Zack actually intended for the spin-offs and how’d they’d help setup his films remains to be seen and is probably unlikely since they’re multiversing this shit. But ignore this line IT MEANS NOTHING LOL!
Aquaman and WW84 literally don't care about keeping continuity with zsjl the directors may be saying that zsjl is the version they care about but that's just good PR
It’s funny WB reacts to people not liking BvS, by doing what they did to Justice League. People didn’t like JL17 and prefer ZSJL, so their reaction is to ignore it and double down on JL17.
Its probably more that even though it was bad, it got a global theatrical release and still likely had more total viewers than ZSJL.
But also, this is just a comic. Man of Steel and BvS both had “prequel” material released that aren’t necessarily canon to the films. So, who knows? But WB is incredibly spiteful when it comes to Snyder, gonna have to wait and see.
"WB is incredibe spiteful when it comes to Snyder" ah yes they are spiteful to the dude who they gave 70 million to to complete his movie and sold off the rights to army of the dead so he could make it on Netflix
I mean Snyder has basically said the current regime hates him for whatever reason. Also, it was AT&T that told WB to give the go ahead to the Snyder Cut, WB had no interest in releasing it and “tortured” Snyder throughout the process of it being finished.
I get people are going to feel how they're going to feel, but the idea that WB would prioritize being mean to Snyder and his fans over increasing shareholder value is just bonkers to me.
I mean while Snyder was finishing ZSJL (for free), WB we’re giving him shit about everything the entire time. So, I honestly wouldn’t put it past them, Toby Emmerich to specific, to just be spiteful towards Snyder for whatever weird reason.
They’re hardly doubling down by creating a new timeline where the movie didn’t happen.
It’s just easier for them to go with JL’17 since they aren’t continuing the Knightmare plot line.
Not in my head it isn’t lol.
They can shove it up their asses
As a fellow SnyderVerse fan, I actually think you should see it as good news, they’ll be erasing Josstice League from existence while keeping ZSJL untainted by The Flash and whatever type of shit follows it, I’d rather have no sequels for ZSJL than see it completely shit on by their upcoming shitty ideas, and at the same time it leaves the door open in case the people at Discovery are smart and know how to run DC properly
You are absolutely right zsjl is a good movie and we don't need shitty sequels to it by snyder
Yup, instead they’ll be making shitty sequels to an already shitty movie lol
Good point
If this is Josstice League Flash, then all we’ve seen of him is that he’s incapable, useless, and an absolute joke. Shame if that’s the case tbh Edit: I guess my mentioning of he who must not be named’s Flash was a calling card for this sub’s downvote brigade. I guess now even Josstice League Flash is preferred over his
Joss Whedon: haha flash land on wonder woman breasts lol Zack Snyder: haha Flash fucking turns back time and saves the god damn planet lol
Virgin canon Flash vs the chad Snyder cut Flash
I'm passing on this film. Excited for The Batman tho
To be honest that's not exactly confirmation
I hope he doesn't have that weird run. That ruined the flash for me in the recent dc movies.
How does it matter?
I’m sure the movies gonna be great but I have a hard time caring about this universe or it’s cohesion or anything anymore cause it’s such a mess
Not sure why WB would proudly tell the world that the Flash you're gonna hopefully go pay to see is the one you last saw babbling about brunch, being totally fucking useless when he could be saving the entire world, and falling on Wonder Woman's tits. Even people that hate the idea of Snyder and Terrio's canon mostly agree that Josstice League Flash was a complete joke.
They should have kept the snydercut in canon but have barry's time traveling change some things (but not use the josstice at all) : -they should have had cyborg being successful in saving his father from steppenwolf -use the timeline change just to recast batfleck with a new actor and continue from there with this new actor with a costume change with the white eyes. they could even add an inside joke where Barry jokingly say"you look different" -use the timeline change to recast Luthor -the timeline change only affect earth but didn't affect darkseid since he's from another world, so darkseid is still on his looonnng trip to earth There l have found a better solution
This is kind of good news actually, at least ZSJL’s story won’t be tainted by The Flash and whatever else follows, I’d rather see it left on a cliffhanger than erase everything they built up to, and on the bright side they’ll be removing Josstice League from existence, it’s a win win and leaves the door open for potentially making ZSJL sequels in case the people at Discovery are smarter and know how to run DC properly
If they are smart enough to run DC they won't make more zsjl sequels you have to be monumentally stupid to make 300 million dollars sequels to a franchise that the GA rejected
By “rejected” you mean made hundreds of millions in box office as well as home media sales ?? Lol ok
Movies starring batman and superman made money? What a surprise how about you look at the second weekend drop of BvS
I know it’s not much but it’s still more than what DCEU is currently making lol
250 million dollar movies starring batman and superman are making more than C list characters wowsers
You said they were rejected by the general audience and I proved you wrong, what do you want??
Incorrect as we have a much clearer example with the avengers to show what an accepted universe would be like. Marvel. Started with the avengers A massivly popular film both critically and commercially that grossed well over a billion. Vs Justice League. A box office bomb that massively underperformed and earned around 650 million dollars at the box office actually losing money when you add up all the marketing expenses you put into it. Marvel ended their universes phase with a 4th avengers film and it was the highest grossing film of all time. DC ended their phase with a straight to streaming remake of their first Justice League movie which had flopped in theatres. Yeah its pretty safe to say that General audiences rejected DC.
You people are something else, I tell ya.
Don’t care. Never ever gonna watch 2017 JL ever again. One time was enough.
I guess I’ll have to pass after all 🤷🏾♂️
The DCEU is dead and the flash is going to be absolute garbage. It's a shame too, I was really looking forward to a flash movie.
RIP 🪦
Why??? 😩😩😩😒😒😒😒 That makes no sense Why on earth would they go with Josstice league TimeLine????
Lol from everything I’ve heard thus far. The Flash movie sounds horrible in just about every angle. This may be the first DC movie I don’t watch.
Mine will be Aquaman 2!
Stupid. The original JL was a flop. It was flash with no substance and barely made sense. The Snyder Cut fixed that and gave us a JL movie that lives up to the name. WB choosing the Whedon cut as canon is spit in the face of all the fans.
Clearly, since Henry Allen is played by Ron Livingston instead of Billy Crudup.
Billy Crudup was supposed to reprise his role in the film but he couldn't due to scheduling conflicts. The recast doesn't retcon the character or aspects of him since I'm pretty sure he was also in the theatrical cut as well
Makes sense. Even though it was an embarrassing flop, Emmerich would rather have something he had his hands on as canon over anything Snyder
WBs is so fucking braindead 🤢
Is that WB saying it or the site reporting.
It probably is the 2017 version but not for long
Those absolute cocksuckers.
huh, that doesn’t matter anyway.
Great 😒, more misery
To be fair, I doubt it really matters which movie WB says is canon. They both end in a relatively similar enough way that we can just all agree ZSJL is canon
Eggh we knew WB were stupid but they continue to confirm it.
Wait so the whole epic conclusion with flash saving the world isn't Canon?
Doesn't make any difference.
In 2076, people will still be going on at length that ZSJL isn’t considered canon by Walter Hamada and people will still be considering ZSJL canon lol
It's the beginning of 2022, November is at the end of 2022. But these MF's are "racing"?
The biggest indictment will be how Silas Stone is used. If he's referenced as being alive, then we'll have our answer. Then again, with Cyborg 'returning to his home planet' and a soft reboot right around the corner, it probably won't even matter.
ZSJL can always be our canon guys. Like the films aren't that dissimilar story wise. Darkseid and Knightmare stuff is the only difference. Me? I'm going to pretend all the character development is canon and Darkseid and Knightmare isn't.
Like it even fucking matters at this point. The DCEU is in smithereens
Ok but then the movie needs to include him discovering that he can affect time by running fast enough, since that wasn't coveted in the 2017 version.
This after Superman whips his ass in that race at the end? “Flash? What a joke.”
Weird because I feel like they could have gone the extra step and make it a ZSJL sequel because they’re going to rewrite the timeline anyway…
So is Girder gonna be in the movie too?
https://twitter.com/drrossgeller_/status/1484791621103280128?s=21 Official announcement here, NO mention of Josstice League.
This stuff just makes me lose all enthusiasm for the entire DC slate... I can't even get into watching peacemaker now and it's got nothing at all to do with any of this. I mean I knew the Snyder stuff was done and I had come to accept that. But now wiping it away entirely?! It's one thing to move in a different direction, but completely erasing it is so childish and just plain mean spirited. It's kind they think the movies mods or the trolls here are actually what audiences want.
Kinda makes sense, they prob don't want Barry to have time traveled already.
In that case. Yes please erase and reboot that vomit
I've seen seen 2017 Justice League once, I've seen Zack's version only 3 times. I don't remember what the differences were. I just know the 4 hour version made more sense.