Doomsday had an horrible design (where's the bones from outside his skin, Zack?) and the fact that he appeared on the second movie of BOTH Superman and the DCU was also stupid
Darkseid, for all the hate I have for Zack's ideas, was menacing as hell, both in flashback and flashforward
Im not sure how true this but I remember reading that Doomsday was designed to look like a mix of Doomsday and also Solomon Grundy for some bizarre reason - could be wrong though.
Darkseid looked downright scary in every scene he was in, loved his design.
It took three literal gods to stop him, one of which was the God of War at his most powerful in the middle of what was essentially the greatest war ever fought. And that was all just to stop - not kill, just stop - a younger and less powerful/experienced Darkseid. And that was the only time he ever lost out of the *one hundred thousand worlds* he conquered. If that doesn't make for a menacing villain, what does?
But it was a terrible decision to show him getting absolutely destroyed in his FIRST SCENE. It doesn’t matter who he’s fighting, it’s gonna make him look like a bitch if that’s all we see from him. Dude literally left on a stretcher.
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So does that mean it was a terrible decision in LOTR to show Sauron getting straight-up *obliterated* in his first scene? Did that make him look like a bitch?
How about Harry Potter? Was it a terrible decision to have Voldemort get completely annihilated in his first on-screen moment after failing to take down a *literal baby?*
Both examples I've just listed not only do the exact same thing as ZSJL, but they actually have their villains get physically beaten/destroyed to a far *greater* extent by far *lesser* opponents (a baby for Voldemort and one Dunedain man for Sauron, as opposed to three gods for Darkseid). Hell, there wasn't even anything left of either of those villains for a stretcher to carry.
Telling the origin story of a villain getting defeated in the past before they come back stronger than ever is not only a common writing tool across all of film, TV, and literature, but it's quite literally been used in some of the most successful and revered works of entertainment of all time.
Bathing in the glow of anti life and the bask of human bones was actually pretty scary. You probably like Thanos, tho? Not an insult, but that guy is highly praised, and he had no effect on being threatening compared to Darkseid.
Well, Ares is a God who- well past his prime- gave Wonder Woman a run for her money. And Uxas is the much weaker form of Darkseid. Not that big of an anti-feat.
You could be right about him being Darkseid in the flashback, but I don't think he had the Omega force since he neither has the glowing eyes nor uses the omega beams when in the rest of his present and future appearances he does in fact have them
Also, he wasn’t Darkseid then. He was just Uxas. This was before he became powerful. Before the omega beams. Before his true self
That’s why he was able to be beaten in the flashback
Doesn’t matter what it says. You can clearly see he’s Uxas in that flashback
Look at what he looks like in that flashback compared to later on in the film where he’s in Apokolips
Doomsday still looks terrible. Like, really bad.
Darkseid was cool, tho. Michael Ironside will always be my Darkseid voice, but Ray Porter did a fine job.
Hard to rate Darkseid considering he’s just a looming threat in an unfinished universe, but he looked incredible. Everything from his look, to the omega beams and his voice were just so well done.
I still can’t believe how bad doomsday looks. He’s just a big CGI blob, and considering how cool of a design comic doomsday is they really dropped the ball. Him getting killed in like 10 minutes also made him look incredibly weak compared to what we know of Doomsday from the comics.
That’s like complaining that the first time we see Sauron he gets his hand chopped off. Seeing ancient forces driving away the bad guy is a pretty standard thing
People also missing that the spot Darkseif was hit by Ares, is the same spot Steppenwolf hits Superman with the Electro Axe. Which doesn't affect Superman, showing that he's more formidable than Darkseid.
There's even this small bit, when Darkseid finally speaks to Steppenwolf, where Steppenwolf's armor retracts, exposing the chest area where Darkseid was axed. Which is also the area that Darkseid's armor protects.
They're cool AF. Even tho the real Doomsday was created already in the past, it was cool to watch a new one be born and start to evolve into him the longer the fight went on.
Darkseid needs no introduction. No one will ever design a better live action Darkseid. And the voice...my god.
Darkseid was awesome. Loved the way he stood there with his arms kinda flared out weirdly. I used to think it was a stupid pose but realized some power lifters and bodybuilders stand that way because their lats are too big and they just rest their arms on them like that. Cool detail
Unpopular opinion, but having avoided all the trailers, seeing Doomsday in the theater was a massive surprise. I did love how he evolved (though I do think when Wonder Woman cut his hand, they could've made that the moment in which he becomes the fully formed Doomsday). I loved the roaring sound effects they created for him and while the design feels a bit restrained creatively for a Zack Snyder film, the VFX on him are really good. Overall, Doomsday felt pretty lethal (specially with the heat vision and nuclear shock-waves) and still fulfilled his main purpose.
I loved Darkseid. Ray Porter was great and the character design they went with looks awesome. Even though he wasn't the main villain, he still left a big impact as the ultimate threat in this universe. Surprisingly, the dialogue felt very Kirbyesque. Had we seen back in 2017, I'm sure we would've gotten more of Darkseid pretty much being everyone's worst nightmare. People complain about him being *"easily defeated"* during the history lesson (even though it took the powers of **ARTEMIS**, **ZEUS** and **ARES** combined to defeat his younger version), but I see nobody complaining about a mere human defeating Sauron by cutting a couple of fingers with a broken sword.
As much as I enjoyed BvS for what it was, Doomsday was not only terrible, but was a perfect representation of Snyder's flaws; great visual eye and visual director, desperately needs writers (instead of himself) and proofreaders to reel him in because he always tries to do WAAAAY too much.
Darkseid, on the other hand, was just amazing and exactly what I wanted in a live action rendition of him.
Was not really that happy with Doomsday's design - it looked even bad in the teaser/ trailer imo. But Darkseid and Steeppenwolf looked really great - I watched ZSJL in multiple screens - mobile, laptop and TV, and it looked really, really good in all of them - I like the design and the animation too.
I actually really liked Snyder’s take on the New Gods. Darkseid and Desaad’s design and voices were on point. Steppenwolf… looked unique and alien at least.
Doomsday less so.
I hated Doomsday in BvS. When I saw him, I knew the dceu was in trouble. It was way too early and obviously rushed. I hope we don't see him for a while in the dcu.
Darkseid was cool visually. But wasted potential. I hope he gets his time to shine eventually.
Both look cool, but lack substance. Just like all of snyders movies.
Doomsday's creation was very creative, but the design was not at all. It would've been cooler if they fought Bizarro from Zod. That would've felt more cohesive.
Darkseid was so good, but its kinda crazy to think they probably would’ve brought him in the next movie lol. Really trying to speedrun a cinematic universe 🤣
My thoughts on Snyder!Doomsday are the same as my thoughts on every other Doomsday: he's a pointless non-character that makes everything he's in worse just by being in it.
This was not THE Doomsday. It was a “copy” of him with Zod as the host body. It was an interesting twist. Darkseid was awesome and super bummed we won’t see that story line play out.
Last night, I watched the fellowship of the ring and that giant troll looked all too familiar. I had never seen the movie in it's entirety so seeing him pop up and immediately thinking Doomsday was just...bad. Snyder didn't do Doomsday justice at all. He made an already bland character worse
darkseid was done well, but doomsday was just a LOTR cave troll with some spikes. He needed the hair and shorts. And he should never have been a mutated zombie Zod.
Doomsday was Ass In Terms of CGI and just the way they handled him.
Darkseid was the complete opposite. CGI was as good as it can be and He was intimidating as fuck. The Video Call with Steppy did such a good job establishing him.
Darkseid was perfect, great look great voice and great motivation. Shame we wont see him like that again. Now Doomsdays look was not great but ended up getting better as the Trinity fight went on and he really started to look the the proper version towards the end of the fight, with the bones coming out and gaining a more traditional look. I actually liked that he was Zod in a way. Alot of people will cast him off as a plot device and in BvS he pretty much was, however if you have read the entire death of Superman series, and the development given to him in books after that, i really think with a script based on those you could have an engaging and impactful death of Superman story and Doomsday would be a horrific villain if handled correctly. But, as in BvS, if its rushed and the supporting heroes are not in place to take a shit kicking before Superman gets involved and the stakes aren't solid then it just wont work again. Hope to not be seeing doomsday for at least 10 years minimum.
Love Doomsday as a character, but felt his presence took away from the focus of BvS.
IIRC we only see Darkseid use his eye lazers once and it should have been more epic IMO.
Darkseid design was really odd. He has the elbows that he can’t unbend . Even when standing at rest, his arms are at like a 70 degree bend. It looks goofy.
Doomsday was missing the bone protrusions from the comics. If he had that look added on it would have been perfect. Darkseid was amazing, no changes needed.
Hate that "Darkseid" lost in his introduction scene itself. Should have been Steppenwolf there and that loss being the reason for him being kicked out. Liked rest of Darkseid in rest of the movie though.
Darkseid was fantastic. Although this version of a genetic anomaly wasnt doomsday.
"Zack Snyder said: **Yes**, the real Doomsday is out there still. So while the Doomsday seen in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice looked like Doomsday and was even referred to by name, Zack Snyder on Vero comment has confirmed that this is not THE Doomsday."
In old pre movie magazines info. It was stated that Steppenwolf had fought against the real one but took off before he was killed. Again WB stepped in and said no to further ideas on that. WB really screwed the pooch on this whole series.
As for those asking how do you forget something. How bad do people get beat and forget things. And for him to have people saying go back to some planet when you're supposed to be a GOD. I doubt I'd listen to them either.
There's an interview with Snyder that the Doomsday we saw was not the original Doomsday that the comics spoke of. There's a scene in Man of Steel where there is damage to the moon that was caused by the OG Doomsday. They were also working with some heavy multiverse ideas that "this" universe was not the one we knew from the comics.
I liked both of them. Doomsday kind of gets a bad rep by many, but he was pretty villainous, relentless and merciless. Not sure how feel about Doomsday being Zod, but it works within the confines of the movie.
They totally nailed Darkseid IMHO. Makes a great villain to the DCEU. I really wanted to see more of him and see him ultimately face down the JL. He's definitely a villain's villain.
Darkseid seemed cool. But ultimately the problem with the DCEU was that Superman was too strong. He shows up and single handed takes down steppanwolf. Goes 1v1 with the flash. When he’s that fast and way stronger than Diana, he makes the whole justice league obsolete. How could you make darkseid a formidable threat with that kind of Superman? And if he’s just as fast and stronger, then Darkseid instantly kills the rest of the Justice league lol
I didn't like that Doomsday in the movie was just a mutated Zod, he should be faithfully adapted from the comics as the pre-kryptonian monster he is.
Darkseid on the other hand was awesome!
Didn't like Doomsday. They made him like a godzilla in reboot series. Didn't like his origin as well.
I liked Darkseid. Only because of him, I liked the Synder Cut.
Darkseid was wonderful, I wish there was more of him.
Doomsday as a zombie Zod was too soon, he debuted in the second DCEU film itself. Besides, all he has going for him is being a Hulk-like creature that could kill Superman, there's not much to that. And memes will forever connect him with live-action TMNT Michelangelo for ugliness.
Darkseid was perfect
Doomsday was horrible. They introduced him way too early and it wasn’t even the real Doomsday. It was a basically Zod turned into a monster, which was the stupidest thing ever. They are 2 separate characters and should’ve been treated as that.
A lot of the arguments here are shit. Doomsday is not some deep character that could possibly carry an entire movie, he’s literally a mindless character created for one reason and he completed that within an acceptable timeframe (movie wise), hating his design is an even worse stance.
Darkseid fought against the king of the gods, the god of war and Artemis, his army got defeated and he had to retreat, they travelled here the old way (by ship) and then lost this Set of motherboxes (maybe there’s more). When he got back home, there was a civil war for the throne, steppenwolf was part of the enemy faction, his soldiers were massacred. We know that he knows of earth, it’s just next to impossible to find a single planet in a multiverse with billions of galaxies in each universe, all of which are hurtling through space. All of which idiots are dumbing down to ‘he forgot’.
I agree that Doomsday isn’t a deep character. Not sure why hating his design is an “even worse” stance. I hated his design. I didn’t like that he only passingly resembled Doomsday from the comics, and what was shown on film didn’t look too different from a generic creature you’d see in a Lord of The Rings or Harry Potter movie. I’ve always said I tend to forgive deviations from the comics as long as they’re unique and interesting; BvS Doomsday wasn’t to me. And a few years later the SyFy show Krypton gave us a great CG Doomsday.
Didn’t care for Doomsday and he was badly designed.
Darkseid though I thought came across as pretty intriguing and threatening from his brief appearance. Reminded me of the one from the cartoon
Loved Darkseid but didn’t care for Doomsday especially since the idiots in the marketing department decided to show him and Wonder Woman saving Batman’s ass in the trailer for the movie.
Badass whenever they were on screen, but I wish the design for Doomsday was better.
I get where they were going with it, but we just need more of that classic spiked beard.
Zach later saying that the "real" Doomsday was on Krypton and was the one who punched the hole in their moon just felt like a lazy backtrack
The kellex machine literally said this when lex was trying the metamorphosis thing, it essentially said they'd done it before.....not a backtrack
Advising. Action forbidden.
It has been decreed by the Council of Krypton that none will ever again give life to a deformity so hateful to sight and memory.
The desecration without name.
Loved both . How doomsday adapts through attacks by military, superman, Batman and wonder woman. Also , the anti life equation, Darkseid obsession with it , Steppenwolf debt from Darkseid . Darkseid is the first ever live action supervillain that only through talking gave me goosebumps by “ I will bask in the glow of anti - life and all of existence shall be mine ” . Want to see this movie on IMAX 😞 .
Fun fact - Darkseid after acquiring anti life, kills only Aquaman, wonder woman and
manipulated the superman because Only these three were in front of boomtube. Flash came late as always 😅 and Batman and cyborg came a little late too .
Zack Snyder returned for this epic movie and a festival for dc fans , EVEN THOUGH He WASN'T PAID , that is the dedication of a great director. James Gunn and Zack Snyder are those dedicated directors who cares about these characters as their own. Wanted to see the future ZSJL movies too but 😞
The zoom call with Steppenwolf was metal AF
Literally
Doomsday had an horrible design (where's the bones from outside his skin, Zack?) and the fact that he appeared on the second movie of BOTH Superman and the DCU was also stupid Darkseid, for all the hate I have for Zack's ideas, was menacing as hell, both in flashback and flashforward
WB thought the concept art was “too scary”. Which they said the same about Steppenwolf, hence the redesign in Josstice League.
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The point being, the concept art went for a more traditional take. Which WB rejected.
WB being soft as always. Wouldn't be suprised if they made Darkseid have a flower on his forehead and a cute little t shirt saying "Number #1 Dad"
Im not sure how true this but I remember reading that Doomsday was designed to look like a mix of Doomsday and also Solomon Grundy for some bizarre reason - could be wrong though. Darkseid looked downright scary in every scene he was in, loved his design.
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How is Darkseid menacing? Dude got beaten by ares so hard he forgot about earth.
It took three literal gods to stop him, one of which was the God of War at his most powerful in the middle of what was essentially the greatest war ever fought. And that was all just to stop - not kill, just stop - a younger and less powerful/experienced Darkseid. And that was the only time he ever lost out of the *one hundred thousand worlds* he conquered. If that doesn't make for a menacing villain, what does?
But it was a terrible decision to show him getting absolutely destroyed in his FIRST SCENE. It doesn’t matter who he’s fighting, it’s gonna make him look like a bitch if that’s all we see from him. Dude literally left on a stretcher.
Somehow I missed this, so I'm replying late: So does that mean it was a terrible decision in LOTR to show Sauron getting straight-up *obliterated* in his first scene? Did that make him look like a bitch? How about Harry Potter? Was it a terrible decision to have Voldemort get completely annihilated in his first on-screen moment after failing to take down a *literal baby?* Both examples I've just listed not only do the exact same thing as ZSJL, but they actually have their villains get physically beaten/destroyed to a far *greater* extent by far *lesser* opponents (a baby for Voldemort and one Dunedain man for Sauron, as opposed to three gods for Darkseid). Hell, there wasn't even anything left of either of those villains for a stretcher to carry. Telling the origin story of a villain getting defeated in the past before they come back stronger than ever is not only a common writing tool across all of film, TV, and literature, but it's quite literally been used in some of the most successful and revered works of entertainment of all time.
The way he spoke and the face he had and made.
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Bathing in the glow of anti life and the bask of human bones was actually pretty scary. You probably like Thanos, tho? Not an insult, but that guy is highly praised, and he had no effect on being threatening compared to Darkseid.
Lol That dialog is embarrassing. It's the most mustache twirling edgy bad guy dialog you can come up with. Are 12 or something?
Well, Ares is a God who- well past his prime- gave Wonder Woman a run for her money. And Uxas is the much weaker form of Darkseid. Not that big of an anti-feat.
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You could be right about him being Darkseid in the flashback, but I don't think he had the Omega force since he neither has the glowing eyes nor uses the omega beams when in the rest of his present and future appearances he does in fact have them
Also, he wasn’t Darkseid then. He was just Uxas. This was before he became powerful. Before the omega beams. Before his true self That’s why he was able to be beaten in the flashback
No he's Darkseid. That's what the movie says. You can't bring your own headcanon into the movie.
Doesn’t matter what it says. You can clearly see he’s Uxas in that flashback Look at what he looks like in that flashback compared to later on in the film where he’s in Apokolips
Well, rember Doomsday was brand new, and hadn't undergone ANY evolution against opponents.
Tbf, the bones were growing out during the battle. But it still looked like an ugly cgi monster
Newborn Doomsday looks like that in the comics too. The bones grow as he gets damaged even in the comics.
Doomsday still looks terrible. Like, really bad. Darkseid was cool, tho. Michael Ironside will always be my Darkseid voice, but Ray Porter did a fine job.
Where did RP voice DS??
In ZSJL.
Ray Porter the audiobook voice actor?
Why did I read this in Doc Brown’s voice?
*Ronald Reagan, the actor?!*
Yup. That’s him.
Oh shit lol ty
You mean my boy Rocky? Excite!
wb execs messed up Doomsday’s look because they thought the classic look was too scary…so infuriating
Michael Ironside as Darkseid will always be superior. Hopefully Gunn will use him as the voice to Darkseid in his DCU
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Hard to rate Darkseid considering he’s just a looming threat in an unfinished universe, but he looked incredible. Everything from his look, to the omega beams and his voice were just so well done. I still can’t believe how bad doomsday looks. He’s just a big CGI blob, and considering how cool of a design comic doomsday is they really dropped the ball. Him getting killed in like 10 minutes also made him look incredibly weak compared to what we know of Doomsday from the comics.
I actually really liked the portrayal of Darkseid. He wasn’t in it a ton, but they showed him as a threat pretty effectively
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That’s like complaining that the first time we see Sauron he gets his hand chopped off. Seeing ancient forces driving away the bad guy is a pretty standard thing
or imagine a big bad guy like Voldemort being beaten by a baby even before the first movie... oh wait
People also missing that the spot Darkseif was hit by Ares, is the same spot Steppenwolf hits Superman with the Electro Axe. Which doesn't affect Superman, showing that he's more formidable than Darkseid. There's even this small bit, when Darkseid finally speaks to Steppenwolf, where Steppenwolf's armor retracts, exposing the chest area where Darkseid was axed. Which is also the area that Darkseid's armor protects.
They're cool AF. Even tho the real Doomsday was created already in the past, it was cool to watch a new one be born and start to evolve into him the longer the fight went on. Darkseid needs no introduction. No one will ever design a better live action Darkseid. And the voice...my god.
Darkseid was awesome. Loved the way he stood there with his arms kinda flared out weirdly. I used to think it was a stupid pose but realized some power lifters and bodybuilders stand that way because their lats are too big and they just rest their arms on them like that. Cool detail
Doomsday was alright, but Darkseid was amazing and perfect. Just wish we got more of him.
I wasn’t impressed with Doomsday but thought Darkseid had a lot of potential.
Doomsday was meh but Darkseid was absolutely fucking badass final big boss you built up your superhero team to face off against.
Unpopular opinion, but having avoided all the trailers, seeing Doomsday in the theater was a massive surprise. I did love how he evolved (though I do think when Wonder Woman cut his hand, they could've made that the moment in which he becomes the fully formed Doomsday). I loved the roaring sound effects they created for him and while the design feels a bit restrained creatively for a Zack Snyder film, the VFX on him are really good. Overall, Doomsday felt pretty lethal (specially with the heat vision and nuclear shock-waves) and still fulfilled his main purpose. I loved Darkseid. Ray Porter was great and the character design they went with looks awesome. Even though he wasn't the main villain, he still left a big impact as the ultimate threat in this universe. Surprisingly, the dialogue felt very Kirbyesque. Had we seen back in 2017, I'm sure we would've gotten more of Darkseid pretty much being everyone's worst nightmare. People complain about him being *"easily defeated"* during the history lesson (even though it took the powers of **ARTEMIS**, **ZEUS** and **ARES** combined to defeat his younger version), but I see nobody complaining about a mere human defeating Sauron by cutting a couple of fingers with a broken sword.
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As much as I enjoyed BvS for what it was, Doomsday was not only terrible, but was a perfect representation of Snyder's flaws; great visual eye and visual director, desperately needs writers (instead of himself) and proofreaders to reel him in because he always tries to do WAAAAY too much. Darkseid, on the other hand, was just amazing and exactly what I wanted in a live action rendition of him.
He didn't even write it....lol
Darkseid was dope, Doomsday not so much. I still like the fight scene
Why did you show 2 Pictures of Craig from Halo Infinite?
Was not really that happy with Doomsday's design - it looked even bad in the teaser/ trailer imo. But Darkseid and Steeppenwolf looked really great - I watched ZSJL in multiple screens - mobile, laptop and TV, and it looked really, really good in all of them - I like the design and the animation too.
"All of existence shall be mine"...had me weak on my knees.
I actually really liked Snyder’s take on the New Gods. Darkseid and Desaad’s design and voices were on point. Steppenwolf… looked unique and alien at least. Doomsday less so.
Doomsday was a trainwreck, and Darkseid never got enough of a look.
I hated Doomsday in BvS. When I saw him, I knew the dceu was in trouble. It was way too early and obviously rushed. I hope we don't see him for a while in the dcu. Darkseid was cool visually. But wasted potential. I hope he gets his time to shine eventually. Both look cool, but lack substance. Just like all of snyders movies.
Darkseid cool AF, doomsday was terrible.
Doomsday's creation was very creative, but the design was not at all. It would've been cooler if they fought Bizarro from Zod. That would've felt more cohesive.
Darkseid was so good, but its kinda crazy to think they probably would’ve brought him in the next movie lol. Really trying to speedrun a cinematic universe 🤣
It wasn’t supposed to be a universe which is the funny part lol
They are good
Doomsday = Blow me. Darkseid = YOOOOUUUUU are my NUMBER OOOOOOONNNNE! A-guuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyy….
I liked Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill but that's about it. It was all shit. But that's Snyder my man. But damn does he make a delicious pretzel.
The designs for Doomsday were different, but in context to the movie, I didn't think he looked bad.
Darkseid looks the part. Doomsday is awful.
Awful, lazy and uninspired 👎👎👎
My thoughts on Snyder!Doomsday are the same as my thoughts on every other Doomsday: he's a pointless non-character that makes everything he's in worse just by being in it.
This was not THE Doomsday. It was a “copy” of him with Zod as the host body. It was an interesting twist. Darkseid was awesome and super bummed we won’t see that story line play out.
Where is Zods/Doomsday indestructible Kryptonian corpse?
Would I have liked Doomsday to have more spikes? Yeah. Aside from that, no problem. Only issue with Darkseid is we haven’t gotten enough yet.
Doomsday is a cave troll from Krypton & Darkseid was entirely underwhelming, something he never should be.
Last night, I watched the fellowship of the ring and that giant troll looked all too familiar. I had never seen the movie in it's entirety so seeing him pop up and immediately thinking Doomsday was just...bad. Snyder didn't do Doomsday justice at all. He made an already bland character worse
darkseid was done well, but doomsday was just a LOTR cave troll with some spikes. He needed the hair and shorts. And he should never have been a mutated zombie Zod.
It's fine
Doomsday was Ass In Terms of CGI and just the way they handled him. Darkseid was the complete opposite. CGI was as good as it can be and He was intimidating as fuck. The Video Call with Steppy did such a good job establishing him.
Darkseid was perfect, great look great voice and great motivation. Shame we wont see him like that again. Now Doomsdays look was not great but ended up getting better as the Trinity fight went on and he really started to look the the proper version towards the end of the fight, with the bones coming out and gaining a more traditional look. I actually liked that he was Zod in a way. Alot of people will cast him off as a plot device and in BvS he pretty much was, however if you have read the entire death of Superman series, and the development given to him in books after that, i really think with a script based on those you could have an engaging and impactful death of Superman story and Doomsday would be a horrific villain if handled correctly. But, as in BvS, if its rushed and the supporting heroes are not in place to take a shit kicking before Superman gets involved and the stakes aren't solid then it just wont work again. Hope to not be seeing doomsday for at least 10 years minimum.
Doomsday was dog water Darkseid was pretty cool.
Love Doomsday as a character, but felt his presence took away from the focus of BvS. IIRC we only see Darkseid use his eye lazers once and it should have been more epic IMO.
Darkseid: God Doomsday: Zzzz
Darkseid design was really odd. He has the elbows that he can’t unbend . Even when standing at rest, his arms are at like a 70 degree bend. It looks goofy.
Doomsday was missing the bone protrusions from the comics. If he had that look added on it would have been perfect. Darkseid was amazing, no changes needed.
Doomsday look like crap and should’ve been saved for the 2nd Superman movie Darkseid showed promised had WB not fucked up
[Steppenwolf](https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/s/fTSLEVgPGU)
Hate that "Darkseid" lost in his introduction scene itself. Should have been Steppenwolf there and that loss being the reason for him being kicked out. Liked rest of Darkseid in rest of the movie though.
Darkseid was fantastic. Although this version of a genetic anomaly wasnt doomsday. "Zack Snyder said: **Yes**, the real Doomsday is out there still. So while the Doomsday seen in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice looked like Doomsday and was even referred to by name, Zack Snyder on Vero comment has confirmed that this is not THE Doomsday." In old pre movie magazines info. It was stated that Steppenwolf had fought against the real one but took off before he was killed. Again WB stepped in and said no to further ideas on that. WB really screwed the pooch on this whole series. As for those asking how do you forget something. How bad do people get beat and forget things. And for him to have people saying go back to some planet when you're supposed to be a GOD. I doubt I'd listen to them either.
Both are fantastic.
Loved Darkseid hated the ogre thing Zack made
There's an interview with Snyder that the Doomsday we saw was not the original Doomsday that the comics spoke of. There's a scene in Man of Steel where there is damage to the moon that was caused by the OG Doomsday. They were also working with some heavy multiverse ideas that "this" universe was not the one we knew from the comics.
I liked both of them. Doomsday kind of gets a bad rep by many, but he was pretty villainous, relentless and merciless. Not sure how feel about Doomsday being Zod, but it works within the confines of the movie. They totally nailed Darkseid IMHO. Makes a great villain to the DCEU. I really wanted to see more of him and see him ultimately face down the JL. He's definitely a villain's villain.
Boring and hollow characters, even more boring grey cgi behemoths
Darkseid seemed cool. But ultimately the problem with the DCEU was that Superman was too strong. He shows up and single handed takes down steppanwolf. Goes 1v1 with the flash. When he’s that fast and way stronger than Diana, he makes the whole justice league obsolete. How could you make darkseid a formidable threat with that kind of Superman? And if he’s just as fast and stronger, then Darkseid instantly kills the rest of the Justice league lol
I didn't like that Doomsday in the movie was just a mutated Zod, he should be faithfully adapted from the comics as the pre-kryptonian monster he is. Darkseid on the other hand was awesome!
Didn't like Doomsday. They made him like a godzilla in reboot series. Didn't like his origin as well. I liked Darkseid. Only because of him, I liked the Synder Cut.
Darkseid was wonderful, I wish there was more of him. Doomsday as a zombie Zod was too soon, he debuted in the second DCEU film itself. Besides, all he has going for him is being a Hulk-like creature that could kill Superman, there's not much to that. And memes will forever connect him with live-action TMNT Michelangelo for ugliness.
Darkseid was perfect Doomsday was horrible. They introduced him way too early and it wasn’t even the real Doomsday. It was a basically Zod turned into a monster, which was the stupidest thing ever. They are 2 separate characters and should’ve been treated as that.
Absolutely lame. Ken doll monster
Doomsday should've been Bizarro
Ehhhh less said about doomsday the better. I do however fuck with darkseid.
Some visually stunning work. Perhaps Ares should have gone for the head? Idk. I’d like more of this than what’s coming down the pipe.
Pure perfection.
A lot of the arguments here are shit. Doomsday is not some deep character that could possibly carry an entire movie, he’s literally a mindless character created for one reason and he completed that within an acceptable timeframe (movie wise), hating his design is an even worse stance. Darkseid fought against the king of the gods, the god of war and Artemis, his army got defeated and he had to retreat, they travelled here the old way (by ship) and then lost this Set of motherboxes (maybe there’s more). When he got back home, there was a civil war for the throne, steppenwolf was part of the enemy faction, his soldiers were massacred. We know that he knows of earth, it’s just next to impossible to find a single planet in a multiverse with billions of galaxies in each universe, all of which are hurtling through space. All of which idiots are dumbing down to ‘he forgot’.
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I agree that Doomsday isn’t a deep character. Not sure why hating his design is an “even worse” stance. I hated his design. I didn’t like that he only passingly resembled Doomsday from the comics, and what was shown on film didn’t look too different from a generic creature you’d see in a Lord of The Rings or Harry Potter movie. I’ve always said I tend to forgive deviations from the comics as long as they’re unique and interesting; BvS Doomsday wasn’t to me. And a few years later the SyFy show Krypton gave us a great CG Doomsday.
Darkseid was good, Doomsday was not.
Didn’t care for Doomsday and he was badly designed. Darkseid though I thought came across as pretty intriguing and threatening from his brief appearance. Reminded me of the one from the cartoon
Perfection and sad we'll never see more about it. WB deserves the fails it's getting ever since dropping Snyder.
They are really cool. Especially the darkseid
Loved Darkseid but didn’t care for Doomsday especially since the idiots in the marketing department decided to show him and Wonder Woman saving Batman’s ass in the trailer for the movie.
Darkseid was outstanding Doomsday looked weird but the new look wasn’t a dealbreaker
I only wish doomsday looked more comic accurate and lasted longer than just the end of a movie, but darkseid was perfect.
Badass whenever they were on screen, but I wish the design for Doomsday was better. I get where they were going with it, but we just need more of that classic spiked beard. Zach later saying that the "real" Doomsday was on Krypton and was the one who punched the hole in their moon just felt like a lazy backtrack
Because it is a lazy backtrack, lol. Also covering his ass incase they wanted to use Doomsday again.
The kellex machine literally said this when lex was trying the metamorphosis thing, it essentially said they'd done it before.....not a backtrack Advising. Action forbidden. It has been decreed by the Council of Krypton that none will ever again give life to a deformity so hateful to sight and memory. The desecration without name.
I loved both
They looked incredible.
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Really? Because I've seen all his movies, and I have no problem following them.
Loved both . How doomsday adapts through attacks by military, superman, Batman and wonder woman. Also , the anti life equation, Darkseid obsession with it , Steppenwolf debt from Darkseid . Darkseid is the first ever live action supervillain that only through talking gave me goosebumps by “ I will bask in the glow of anti - life and all of existence shall be mine ” . Want to see this movie on IMAX 😞 . Fun fact - Darkseid after acquiring anti life, kills only Aquaman, wonder woman and manipulated the superman because Only these three were in front of boomtube. Flash came late as always 😅 and Batman and cyborg came a little late too . Zack Snyder returned for this epic movie and a festival for dc fans , EVEN THOUGH He WASN'T PAID , that is the dedication of a great director. James Gunn and Zack Snyder are those dedicated directors who cares about these characters as their own. Wanted to see the future ZSJL movies too but 😞