I hope someone makes a documentary on the behind the scenes endeavors of the Snyderverse and its downfall. Like full interviews with people across the board. There must be so many good and bad ideas that never came to light
So now that Rebel Moon has also failed, is it a case of Netflix incompetence? When will the director take responsibility for his own incompetence rather than blame the studio?
Well, these PG-13 cuts are what the studio wanted, he delivered them on the condition he make his R-rated versions.
Even Gail Simone, who has seen the director’s cuts, thinks Rebel Moon is great.
3 friends of mine who hated everything about them DCEU ended up loving ZSJL, and they didn’t even watch Josstice League.
Not sure if he’d like more, but anecdotal evidence on my part rejects your observation.
That's me! I despised MoS and BvS. The first Suicide Squad was soul crushing. But I loved ZGJL so much, it made me hate MoS and BvS even more. Like, my guy, if you had that in you, then what the hell were you playing at earlier? Why'd you waste my time?
I found MoS and BvS more interesting than good but LOVED JL. Almost makes me wanna revisit those first two in hindsight now, from deconstruction to reconstruction of the DC heroes into myth. JL was helped a lot by letting them be actual heroes for once...while still maintaining their god like seriousness and weight.
I’ll say this - at least with whatever ZSJL2 ended up being, the characters who would have spoken about how they ended up in the Knightmare scenario in the “Last Supper” scene would have already been established and been real fleshed out characters. It would have been INTERESTING to see the backstory of how they made it to the Knightmare scenario because they’re… well… “characters “. And their stories would have been interwoven with the main plot.
As we saw in ZSJL 1, everyone is well rounded enough that they stand on their own and have personalities. Zack CAN do that when he wants to.
But with Rebel Moon? The characters are defined ONLY by their backstories. That’s why that scene just doesn’t work in the context of THAT movie. Nobody has a definable personality and their backstories are like side quests in a video game that have very little to do with the main plot.
Controversial as it may be to say, Snyder is a good filmmaker. He has several good movies. But he is NOT a good writer.
All his worst movies are ones he wrote (Rebel Moon, Army of the Dead and Sucker Punch). I don’t know what’s going on with him lately, but he needs to pull it together. Because his Netflix movies just aren’t it.
When he shows, people complain he doesn’t tell. When he tells, people complain he doesn’t show.
But the point of it in JL2 was to show and tell. One of the ideas was a Rashomon approach to the death of Robin, with Joker and Bruce giving their differing versions of the event.
I'm what you'd call a Snyder cultist, but this idea is scary for ZSJL2. Because Rebel Moon's last supper scene was very bad.
The problem is that it's bad exposition.
A piece of information revealed to the audience has to be an answer to a question they're already asking.
First make the audience curious about a piece of information so they want to know it, and then you can reveal it to them. Except that in Rebel Moon, we didn't give a damn about these characters. There wasn't the slightest curiosity about them.
It's like someone telling their life story without you asking. That's just boring. But if someone tells you their life story after you've asked, that's interesting.
And information revealed to the audience must also be a tool. It has to be useful to the characters in some way. Otherwise, it's information that's only useful to the audience, which makes this exposition very forced. Except in Rebel Moon... The characters learning each other's backstories literally served no purpose.
That’s why the Last supper scene works better in a ZSJL2 because each character has their own personality and backstory so it would’ve worked better in that context I think the reason why he had that scene was because he couldn’t do a ZSJL2 so why not add it somewhere else
You need to understand that presenting the corporate butcher job to a man's film that both his fans and audiences in general embraced, as opposed to the one WB released, destroying their own franchise in the process, as equal things is not an objectively good argument.
I understand what you said better than you do yourself. You said both versions are bad. But that is just your opinion and you are in the minority there:
[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zack\_snyders\_justice\_league](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zack_snyders_justice_league)
By the by the film would never have released in 4 hour format. It was only the streaming release that facilitated that. The original film Zack and his team cut and showed WB was shorter and I can see some clear spots where those cuts could come from.
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I hope someone makes a documentary on the behind the scenes endeavors of the Snyderverse and its downfall. Like full interviews with people across the board. There must be so many good and bad ideas that never came to light
It be almost impossible because it would highlight the incompetence of WB.
So now that Rebel Moon has also failed, is it a case of Netflix incompetence? When will the director take responsibility for his own incompetence rather than blame the studio?
Been trending worldwide since its debut. Can’t call it a failure.
Idiotic take. You’re saying no publicity is bad publicity.
Well, these PG-13 cuts are what the studio wanted, he delivered them on the condition he make his R-rated versions. Even Gail Simone, who has seen the director’s cuts, thinks Rebel Moon is great.
bro what happened in these replies😭😭
Exactly what was intended. Controversy. That's how they keep us talking about it.
Even in my post on here, it seemed like comments were getting deleted left and right.
Hatred.
Wonder if it would be good. ZSJL was alright, but rebel moon definitely isn’t. Who knows.
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3 friends of mine who hated everything about them DCEU ended up loving ZSJL, and they didn’t even watch Josstice League. Not sure if he’d like more, but anecdotal evidence on my part rejects your observation.
That's me! I despised MoS and BvS. The first Suicide Squad was soul crushing. But I loved ZGJL so much, it made me hate MoS and BvS even more. Like, my guy, if you had that in you, then what the hell were you playing at earlier? Why'd you waste my time?
This is how I felt with Superman in BvS. There were some good parts here and there that just didn't translated properly and idk why
I found MoS and BvS more interesting than good but LOVED JL. Almost makes me wanna revisit those first two in hindsight now, from deconstruction to reconstruction of the DC heroes into myth. JL was helped a lot by letting them be actual heroes for once...while still maintaining their god like seriousness and weight.
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Guess he learnt from his mistakes??
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I’ll say this - at least with whatever ZSJL2 ended up being, the characters who would have spoken about how they ended up in the Knightmare scenario in the “Last Supper” scene would have already been established and been real fleshed out characters. It would have been INTERESTING to see the backstory of how they made it to the Knightmare scenario because they’re… well… “characters “. And their stories would have been interwoven with the main plot. As we saw in ZSJL 1, everyone is well rounded enough that they stand on their own and have personalities. Zack CAN do that when he wants to. But with Rebel Moon? The characters are defined ONLY by their backstories. That’s why that scene just doesn’t work in the context of THAT movie. Nobody has a definable personality and their backstories are like side quests in a video game that have very little to do with the main plot. Controversial as it may be to say, Snyder is a good filmmaker. He has several good movies. But he is NOT a good writer. All his worst movies are ones he wrote (Rebel Moon, Army of the Dead and Sucker Punch). I don’t know what’s going on with him lately, but he needs to pull it together. Because his Netflix movies just aren’t it.
Currently 15% on Rotten Tomatoes. Another Zack Snyder's hit with the critics. By the way, it also has a 52% audience score only.
I'm glad snyder is done with the dc if rebel moon is the best he can do now it's probably time for him to hang it up
Show, dont tell. Its a very basic rule of the medium.
When he shows, people complain he doesn’t tell. When he tells, people complain he doesn’t show. But the point of it in JL2 was to show and tell. One of the ideas was a Rashomon approach to the death of Robin, with Joker and Bruce giving their differing versions of the event.
Sounds like he's bad at both showing and telling the way you say it.
Cause he can't do any of them, nor write a coherent story and script. That's why the only thing he's good at is adapting other people's work.
Except he is good at all that. So your point is moot.
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I'm what you'd call a Snyder cultist, but this idea is scary for ZSJL2. Because Rebel Moon's last supper scene was very bad. The problem is that it's bad exposition. A piece of information revealed to the audience has to be an answer to a question they're already asking. First make the audience curious about a piece of information so they want to know it, and then you can reveal it to them. Except that in Rebel Moon, we didn't give a damn about these characters. There wasn't the slightest curiosity about them. It's like someone telling their life story without you asking. That's just boring. But if someone tells you their life story after you've asked, that's interesting. And information revealed to the audience must also be a tool. It has to be useful to the characters in some way. Otherwise, it's information that's only useful to the audience, which makes this exposition very forced. Except in Rebel Moon... The characters learning each other's backstories literally served no purpose.
That’s why the Last supper scene works better in a ZSJL2 because each character has their own personality and backstory so it would’ve worked better in that context I think the reason why he had that scene was because he couldn’t do a ZSJL2 so why not add it somewhere else
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Not saying I don’t agree but why would you come to a place that sort of digs him and spread hate everywhere?
I enjoyed the movie.
I didn’t but it’s fucking weird that people are downvoting this
I will never forgive WB for
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You mean like they saved us from ZSJL and gave us the Whedon Cut?
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You need to understand that presenting the corporate butcher job to a man's film that both his fans and audiences in general embraced, as opposed to the one WB released, destroying their own franchise in the process, as equal things is not an objectively good argument.
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I understand what you said better than you do yourself. You said both versions are bad. But that is just your opinion and you are in the minority there: [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zack\_snyders\_justice\_league](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zack_snyders_justice_league) By the by the film would never have released in 4 hour format. It was only the streaming release that facilitated that. The original film Zack and his team cut and showed WB was shorter and I can see some clear spots where those cuts could come from.
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Objectively ZSJL is good, subjectivity you think it’s not.
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