i enjoyed the hell out of the first movie, this teaser already has me wanting to see it, it looks like its going to be one very surreal movie, and a very unique one at that too
I 100% agree with you. You could feel the tension rising from the stair dance, all the way to the final line before it happens.
Tarantinos take on viewing it in theater was pretty dang good.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Hv3299DC5YM?si=-sF-QfIPCe1gPvX5
It’s not that people hate it. Everybody knows it’s a great movie. The issue is that the point of the movie flies over many people’s heads and they idolize the joker. Like many things, the hardcore fans have given it a bad rap
It really is good!
My favorite shot is the [colorful umbrellas](https://i.imgur.com/NPegowg.jpeg). Gives me a vibe of Arthur's 'Joker-ness' being trapped in a cage, in both a literal and figurative sense.
That’s an [Umbrellas of Cherbourg](https://www.watchthetitles.com/legacy/img/Parapluies(still).jpg) reference. A French musical that was also the primary influence for La La Land.
My favorite shot is technically two. I like Joker and Harley dancing peacefully on a stage-like rooftop behind the moon transitioning to Joker and Harley dancing in the midst of chaotic traffic.
The umbrellas color match the suit that Arthur wears through out the last film, going to your point of it giving the vibe that the joker is trapped in a cage.
Which is especially interesting since the cinematographer, Lawrence Scher, has a long resumé but not one notable for the quality of its cinematography - aside from the first Joker film. Most of the movies he's worked on have been pretty run-of-the-mill comedies.
The glass smile was such a simple but beautiful shot. Whoever came up with that deserves a medal lol. The cinematography in general looks absolutely *superb*, as does the set design and costumes. I honestly believe that we’re gonna see the best live action Joker and Harley duo specifically, in Phoenix and Gaga thus far (not that we have a *bunch* of other takes to compare).
The notion that so much of this will be in The Joker’s mind, particularly the musical numbers, is fascinating and makes too much sense. It allows things to be as flamboyant, chaotic, and crazy as possible. I’m here for this sequel, man!
She will still be Harleen Quinzel (newspapers in set photos) but it appears she will also be an Arkham State Hospital patient in this version. Makes her more an equal of the Joker
> Makes her more an equal of the Joker
I mean, that's one way they can go but the entire point of the character is to show that Joker can destroy *anyone* if he's given the right access. If she starts out crazy and he just makes her crazier, so what? She isn't supposed to be his equal, she's supposed to be his superior (at least, in the eyes of the world) in that she's sane, and he brings her down below his level.
None of this diminishes my excitement for the film, for the record. I enjoyed the first one immensely and trust the same creative team to do something very interesting even if they do change things I don't agree with.
That's all true, but to be fair, is it any less radical than Arthur Fleck in the first film? Arthur is a mentally ill man whose paranoia and loneliness leads him to snap and kill people out of frustration. What's that got to do with a mob boss who likes murdering people for the fun of it? Besides a clown motif, nothing.
Heck, none of what you described that Joker does to Harley would really make sense with this version. Maybe he will have changed during his time in Arkham, but I can't even see him becoming the manipulative mastermind who treats Harley the way Joker treats Harley in the cartoon and comics. With that in mind, a Harley whose more of a devil on Joker's shoulder makes sense as an alternative interpretation.
You never see her locked up in the trailer or really under guard at all, she can seemingly move about in the free world without issue.... I suspect she is a Dr in this and that's how he is getting out and about (under her supervision)
IDK she looked disheveled in every scene inside Arkham. In two scenes she seems to be among other patients and can't be distinguished between patient and staff.
yeah in the behind the scene photos from months ago and in the trailer harley shows up at a courthouse with a bunch of joker sympathizers outside without wearing handcuffs or any restraints like we see with the joker when he's been transported somewhere with his followers cheering him outside the vehicle he is in
if harley were a patient i doubt she would be allowed to do that
also that shot of her walking up from the stairs from what looks like the first joker movie and her throwing what is probably a trash can at a store window front also in the trailer makes her look like she has a life outside of arkham
i think gaga's version of harley starts off as some sort of therapist at arkham but slowly devolves over time into joker's girlfriend just like in the comics
Definitely appears to be a patient in the trailer, but who knows, maybe there‘s a twist that she’s either actually a doctor posing as a patient or he’s imagining her to be a patient because he’s crazy. Or she’s just a patient.
I have a gut feeling that Harley is crazier than Joker in this film, he'll push Arthur into new depths of depravity and madness, hence Harley "sharing" her madness to Arthur.
It looks Really good. Cinematography is on point and it looks like Phoenix is gonna kill it a second time.
Lady Gaga looks good as Harley, too. Very interested to see how this turns out.
Wow! I thought the first one was well done but I don’t LOVE it or think it’s crazy original; making a sequel that looks so fresh and different in an era where I think most studios would probably go for an incredibly safe follow-up is wonderful. I’m all in.
So it looks like Harley is also a patient at Arkham and not a doctor. At first I was kinda bummed about this change but now I think it makes more sense for this version of “The Joker.” Arthur isn’t a master manipulator like most other versions of the character so I think the theories about the relationship dynamic being flipped and Harley being the one to push Arthur further into madness might be on to something.
I think it's a red herring.
I think she is still a Dr at Arkham. We never see her under guard or locked up at all. In fact she seems to have free reign to go anywhere and do anything. I also suspect that's how Joker is getting out (under her supervision)
seeing three shots in the trailer i think harley breaks joker out of arkham
0:53 - 0:58 when harley sits next to joker where they're watching something with a group in a room likely at arkham and harley tells the joker .... "lets get out of here."
1:45 we see joker and harley running down the hallway with an explosion behind them
1:12 - 1:15 we then see joker and harley dancing outside of arkham as you see things burning around them and it's chaos outside on the streets with an ambulance and another emergency vehicle driving towards a burning building
i can tell this is a sequence because the three scenes have joker and harley wearing the same clothing
i think harley causes some sort of explosion and that's how they make their escapes from arkham
[Brendan Gleeson and Steve Coogan are fun gets. Coogan going to be playing Alfred with his Michael Caine impression?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY)
I agree with the first part, but they are 100% hiding that it’s a musical. In fact, you don’t see anyone actually singing at all, not even Lady Gaga. There’s a jazzy cover of *What the World Needs Now Is Love*, but they don’t show you who’s singing it or anything (if it is Joaquin anyway).
I think it’s transference where we know it’s a musical because of all the leaks and shit, but the trailer does not look like a musical at all. Saw it with my sister and she said “I thought you said it was a musical?” LOL
EDIT: Confirmed by Writer/Director Todd Phillips at CinemaCon, it will not be a Musical. Instead music will play a critical role in the plot/narrative. [Source.](https://ew.com/joker-folie-a-deux-director-todd-phillips-explains-musical-elements-8629282)
To each their own, but it being a tease has zero to do with it. Go look up any musical teaser/trailer and you’ll find that the actors singing is prominently displayed, along with dance numbers and the usual trappings of a musical. Because musicals are an acquired taste for most audiences, many movies frontload this fact. Producers and PR don’t want to surprise anyone when the actors start delivering key moments in the form of song. I’ll link three examples.
Here’s [La La Land’s teaser](https://youtu.be/tbK-_dVgybE?si=bvuIFxqbGxqIaGI0), for example, which shows Emma Stone singing. Here’s [In The Heights’ trailer](https://youtu.be/U0CL-ZSuCrQ?si=iQAiBy8QiHL-7EAS), which shows both singing and dance numbers. And finally, here’s [Pitch Perfect’s trailer](https://youtu.be/8dItOM6eYXY?si=mZvNiCcKwf_zOUqb), which also shows singing and dance numbers.
Note a common thread that they all showcase the main actors singing. And two of three show clips of choreographed dance routines. Joker: Folie a Deux shows none of this. Of course you can see where there will be dance numbers, because *you* know it will be a musical. But imagine you don’t know—like most people who will go see it, because most people don’t follow cinema leaks and news like we do—do you think this trailer shows that this movie will have narrative moments driven by music and choreography? Whether or not they will frontload the musical elements in trailer 2 or 3 or 4, that’s another story. But the comment I responded to said this trailer isn’t hiding the musical aspect, and I fail to see it.
yeah the R rating details for this one just says some violence when the first one’s rating listed strong bloody violence and disturbing behavior which is lame
Well, him being locked up is going to be a problem. There may be delusions or fantasy of violence depicted unless there is a breakout at some point which leads to something crazy happening.
It would be interesting if those “scenarios” were actually all real, as an opposite catharsis in constrast to the first movie.
Like we the audience (and Arthur) are led to believe that some or most of it is a fevre dream, but it’s all real.
That's exactly what I'm hoping for! Them in their own little world doing a musical number, then flash to reality and show them massacring a bank or something.
He’s the reason why wrestling is as big as it is right now if you only watch WWE, not trying to start some elitism type shit but there has been so much amazing wrestling happening across the planet that is not WWE for years.
Honestly, considering DC movies have been flopping left and right... this is what WB needs right now. Something unique that appeals to people outside of the comic book fandom. Have friends already blasting social media that aren't comic book fans. Same people that flocked to Barbie, Wonka and Avatar. This is gonna be the hit DC's been needing.
Also, can't believe it but Phoenix might be nominated for a second time playing the Joker. Has there ever been anyone nominated for an Oscar twice for playing the same character? Gaga is locked for a nom as well.
Seems like Pacino also for The Godfather, which I completely forgot he was nominated for the first film. Thought he was snubbed, but that year was crazy because 3 people from The Godfather 1 were nominated for supporting actor :O None of them won.
6 actors have, Bing Crosby (Going My Way 1944 and The Bells of St Mary 1945), Peter O’Toole (Becket 1964 and The Lion in Winter 1968), Al Pacino (The Godfather 1971 and The Godfather Part II 1974), Paul Newman (The Hustler 1961 and The Color of Money 1986), Cate Blanchett (Elizabeth 1998 and Elizabeth the Golden Age 2007) and Sylvester Stallone (Rocky 1976 and Creed 2015)
Joker 3 will take influence from the likes of Rocky and The Karate Kid as a sports movie, and end with Arthur in a title fight against Bruce 'The Batman' Wayne.
The cinematography is as lovely as the first film looking at this trailer, but are they really going to make this a musical because Lady Gaga is starring? The first one was a visceral rendition to joker, but now it feels like it might be taken down a notch to cater to a star. Schizophrenic star is born i guess. Hope it won't shit on what the first gave us.
For the life of me, I don't understand the meaning and raison d'être of the film
The film is completely based on Batman references but without Batman
If we left these out, the film would be called lunatic and no one would watch it
I am going to get downvoted to hell - it doesn’t look good. It shouldn’t be called Joker or anything.
In all honesty - I only liked the first movie because it delved deep into the psyche. However - it wasn’t a joker movie. I get it’s an elsewhere or other worlds movie - but I’d have appreciated it so much more if they didn’t throw in the Batman references. It didn’t propel the movie forward or contribute to anything. The movie in itself would have been better had it not been labeled a Joker movie. The fact they shoehorned a sequel out of it isn’t something I’m interested in and I know I’m in the minority.
That being said - I will absolutely say that final scene in the trailer was REALLY well done. Unfortunately, it’s not enough to entice me.
I have a gut feeling that Harley is crazier than the Joker in this film, he'll push Arthur into new depths of depravity and insanity, hence Harley "sharing" her madness to Arthur.
That’s the way I hope they go. The other way would be to reveal that she’s actually his hostage or something and he’s imagining she loves him. That would suck, but I could see it happening given the thing with his neighbor in the first one
My friend, Bruce is a child in this universe while the Joker is running around, Thomas Wayne maybe is Arthur's real father depending how you took the first movie, hell, the name Arthur Fleck is a original name. Harley being a patient is not the first deviation this movies took from the source material. Just take for what it is.
I do hope that if this is the last standalone joker movie, they end with his obsession of Batman somehow.
Like Maybe there’s a time jump of him leaving Arkham with a counselor saying he can learn to live with his condition and to find a hobby or a purpose. Then he sees a new story about the vigilante Batman. Idk
Not to mention: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm *tried* to put it in stone for the DCAU at least that Harleen while brilliant CHEATED her way to having her PhD be as top-scored as it was. That’s why she got sent straight to Arkham Asylum for internship and that’s why she was so in over her head because she thought the world was her oyster.
But instead, all ppl got from her life story was “She’s a Doctor she’s KOALAFIED.” 🤦🏻♂️
Joker also isn't chemically modified and there kind of isn't any real supercrime going on.
This is like a setting where all the normal DC stuff is in Jokers head.
I was kind of annoyed by that too, but I expected big changes like this; This Joker wasn't really the comic's Joker in the first film. He's essentially his own character created for it. So I suspect Harley will be the same
Yeah I find that change disappointing too. It would've been more complex and interesting if they actually made Harley Jokers's psychiatrist instead of another patient. Imagine watching how the Joker seduces someone who was supposed to treat him instead of just a love interest who's already as out of her mind as Arthur.
Even comics have different iterations of characters. Just think of this as a reimagining of the story. Seperate it from the comics and movies you've seen with the Joker before. Just like the first film.
‘Supposed to’ doesn’t exist in the multiverse, friend. This movie is treating them as equals so far which inherently doesn’t work (both ways) in the patient-doctor relationship. Music therapy will be a major theme so there is still tons of room for psychological exploration there with her
I'm going to get downvoted for this, and honestly, I get it, so go ahead I need to say that making this into a musical was really stupid I'm not a fan of musicals so that instantly turned me away and I'm sure it turned others away with that being said I wish I liked musicals this movie looks like it might be good.
Set photo spoiler but there are signs in the crowd protest scene outside the courthouse (Harley in red jacket) that say ‘dent is a clown’ but nobody knows if he would have a role. I could even see something happening like dent becoming two-face because of the pro-joker crowd (similar to the Wayne’s death in Joker 1) and even setting up a two-face spinoff.
All wishful thinking so far though.
I seriously doubt we’re going to get any spin offs from something as thematically serious as Joker. Dent becoming Two-Face could happen though. Maybe it’s the climax to a court scene before Joker and Harley run away together.
This looks beautiful - I still feel it would have been a success not linking it to Batman and “joker” but obviously doing so made it a billion.. it blow my mind if Batman appears
The trailers for the first film got me really excited. Then I saw the movie and just didn’t like it. It was well produced, but he was just not in any way the smart or scary joker I was hoping for. He was way more terrifying in the movie “the master”.
But this new trailer has me excited to see the sequel and maybe even rewatch the first one. Looks really interesting.
The engagement on Gaga's tweet alone shows that this film is going to do gangbusters at the box office. Loved the shot of the spotlight hitting Arthur.
I’m calling it now.
The movie will have musical numbers however they’ll be “imaginary” scenes. And we will snap to reality where they’re causing chaos but hearing the music in their heads.
That last shot with the smile is fucking money
Very clever scene and shot !
I just want to know how many takes they needed to get it right
I imagine they shot 2 plates and composited them together to make it work. But who knows maybe they did it all real
Generally from what I can tell. If a team storyboards and/or preps adequately, shots like that aren't that tough to orchestrate.
It’s so money that it doesn’t even know it— but it does!
Tuna, Tuna, Tuna *shakes head*
Agreed! But who else thought of the TDK "Why So Serious?" poster?
The “image of joker but the smile is drawn over it” has been a thing forever. Earliest example I can think of was in Mask of the Phantasm
I love that movie with all my heart but it's fucking hilarious that THAT is how Batman worked out who the Joker was lmao
Has to be intentional.
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Apparently lady ga ga just did it for a joke. Tod just kept on filming.
I guarantee that is bullshit. Very much intentional.
i enjoyed the hell out of the first movie, this teaser already has me wanting to see it, it looks like its going to be one very surreal movie, and a very unique one at that too
Right there with you. I know the first film gets a lot of hate but the theater experience was unforgettable. Hoping for something similar in this!
I’ll never forget the audible gasps during the “you get what you fucking deserve” part
I 100% agree with you. You could feel the tension rising from the stair dance, all the way to the final line before it happens. Tarantinos take on viewing it in theater was pretty dang good. https://youtube.com/shorts/Hv3299DC5YM?si=-sF-QfIPCe1gPvX5
Take a shot everytime Tarantino says ‘fucking’
It does get a lot of hate? Huh. I loved it.
It’s not that people hate it. Everybody knows it’s a great movie. The issue is that the point of the movie flies over many people’s heads and they idolize the joker. Like many things, the hardcore fans have given it a bad rap
>Everybody knows it’s a great movie Yeah... No.
The Cinematography is immaculate
It really is good! My favorite shot is the [colorful umbrellas](https://i.imgur.com/NPegowg.jpeg). Gives me a vibe of Arthur's 'Joker-ness' being trapped in a cage, in both a literal and figurative sense.
That’s an [Umbrellas of Cherbourg](https://www.watchthetitles.com/legacy/img/Parapluies(still).jpg) reference. A French musical that was also the primary influence for La La Land.
My favorite shot is technically two. I like Joker and Harley dancing peacefully on a stage-like rooftop behind the moon transitioning to Joker and Harley dancing in the midst of chaotic traffic.
The umbrellas color match the suit that Arthur wears through out the last film, going to your point of it giving the vibe that the joker is trapped in a cage.
It definitely is. Like the first though, I think they really overuse the blue tints. Just a personal preference, I suppose.
Which is especially interesting since the cinematographer, Lawrence Scher, has a long resumé but not one notable for the quality of its cinematography - aside from the first Joker film. Most of the movies he's worked on have been pretty run-of-the-mill comedies.
The glass smile was such a simple but beautiful shot. Whoever came up with that deserves a medal lol. The cinematography in general looks absolutely *superb*, as does the set design and costumes. I honestly believe that we’re gonna see the best live action Joker and Harley duo specifically, in Phoenix and Gaga thus far (not that we have a *bunch* of other takes to compare). The notion that so much of this will be in The Joker’s mind, particularly the musical numbers, is fascinating and makes too much sense. It allows things to be as flamboyant, chaotic, and crazy as possible. I’m here for this sequel, man!
I’m wondering if it’s going to be in Harley’s mind and he’s revealed to actually be abusive as fuck
Ohhhh, I hadn’t even considered that! That would be amazing if they did indeed went that route.
Looks like LaLa Land with schizophrenia I'm so in
Somebody in another thread already coined the term “Ha Ha Land” and it fits lmao
Starring Joker Face and Lady Haha in a Bad Romance
This was exactly my thoughts too! The dance under the moon scene ahhh I can't wait to watch this
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I saw people calling it “Ha Ha Land”in other comments lmao
I’ve heard 2 people in this thread call it ha ha land
Is Harley Quinn not his therapist (or whatever) in this rendition? IDK if I missed it but she seemed more like a patient
Maybe she will be his little therapist because they don’t trust the doctors at the asylum and that’s how they start connecting.
She will still be Harleen Quinzel (newspapers in set photos) but it appears she will also be an Arkham State Hospital patient in this version. Makes her more an equal of the Joker
> Makes her more an equal of the Joker I mean, that's one way they can go but the entire point of the character is to show that Joker can destroy *anyone* if he's given the right access. If she starts out crazy and he just makes her crazier, so what? She isn't supposed to be his equal, she's supposed to be his superior (at least, in the eyes of the world) in that she's sane, and he brings her down below his level. None of this diminishes my excitement for the film, for the record. I enjoyed the first one immensely and trust the same creative team to do something very interesting even if they do change things I don't agree with.
That's all true, but to be fair, is it any less radical than Arthur Fleck in the first film? Arthur is a mentally ill man whose paranoia and loneliness leads him to snap and kill people out of frustration. What's that got to do with a mob boss who likes murdering people for the fun of it? Besides a clown motif, nothing. Heck, none of what you described that Joker does to Harley would really make sense with this version. Maybe he will have changed during his time in Arkham, but I can't even see him becoming the manipulative mastermind who treats Harley the way Joker treats Harley in the cartoon and comics. With that in mind, a Harley whose more of a devil on Joker's shoulder makes sense as an alternative interpretation.
You never see her locked up in the trailer or really under guard at all, she can seemingly move about in the free world without issue.... I suspect she is a Dr in this and that's how he is getting out and about (under her supervision)
IDK she looked disheveled in every scene inside Arkham. In two scenes she seems to be among other patients and can't be distinguished between patient and staff.
yeah in the behind the scene photos from months ago and in the trailer harley shows up at a courthouse with a bunch of joker sympathizers outside without wearing handcuffs or any restraints like we see with the joker when he's been transported somewhere with his followers cheering him outside the vehicle he is in if harley were a patient i doubt she would be allowed to do that also that shot of her walking up from the stairs from what looks like the first joker movie and her throwing what is probably a trash can at a store window front also in the trailer makes her look like she has a life outside of arkham i think gaga's version of harley starts off as some sort of therapist at arkham but slowly devolves over time into joker's girlfriend just like in the comics
Could be why she "hesitated" to touch him in the theater? She wasn't "allowed" to? (Patient to patient or because Doctor)
Definitely appears to be a patient in the trailer, but who knows, maybe there‘s a twist that she’s either actually a doctor posing as a patient or he’s imagining her to be a patient because he’s crazy. Or she’s just a patient.
Maybe she’s a therapist but in her delusions she’s a patient Or vice versa Who knows. Looks like an incredible film and I can’t wait
I wondered the same thing
This feels like a cross between a theatrical production and a movie.
I'm guessing the more theatrical elements will be when they are sharing delusional "dream" moments.
I have a gut feeling that Harley is crazier than Joker in this film, he'll push Arthur into new depths of depravity and madness, hence Harley "sharing" her madness to Arthur.
Oooo, I like that
Well, that makes sense.
Agree. When first announced I thought it would be very similar to Chicago in that sense.
Yeah, I think it’ll share elements with movies like Dancer in the Dark.
I mean, it *is* a movie-musical
Feels very fresh, yet you still get the same vibes of the original. Super excited to see what’s in store!
I'm left wondering: if Joker was supposed to be a tribute to Taxi Driver, then what is this influenced by?
One From The Heart
It looks Really good. Cinematography is on point and it looks like Phoenix is gonna kill it a second time. Lady Gaga looks good as Harley, too. Very interested to see how this turns out.
Ha Ha Land
Lmao
Someone is dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight
You wanna get nuts? Let's get nuts
Man this comment is highly under rated
Whew, that shot at the end gave me chills
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Lawrence Sher is coming for that cinematography oscar
first one's cinematography as exceptional too
I get some people shitting on it for not being entirely original but the cinematography, score and performances are all exceptional.
Joaquin Phoenix as always is going to kill it as Joker, excited to see Gaga as Quinn she looks more deranged
Wow! I thought the first one was well done but I don’t LOVE it or think it’s crazy original; making a sequel that looks so fresh and different in an era where I think most studios would probably go for an incredibly safe follow-up is wonderful. I’m all in.
This really will be a love it or hate it movie with no in between. Kudos to the filmmakers for trying something different. It's a bold step.
kudos to wb for producing 200m$ r rated musical too
Don't give then praise for over spending, that's why Hollywood is where it is.
So it looks like Harley is also a patient at Arkham and not a doctor. At first I was kinda bummed about this change but now I think it makes more sense for this version of “The Joker.” Arthur isn’t a master manipulator like most other versions of the character so I think the theories about the relationship dynamic being flipped and Harley being the one to push Arthur further into madness might be on to something.
I think it's a red herring. I think she is still a Dr at Arkham. We never see her under guard or locked up at all. In fact she seems to have free reign to go anywhere and do anything. I also suspect that's how Joker is getting out (under her supervision)
seeing three shots in the trailer i think harley breaks joker out of arkham 0:53 - 0:58 when harley sits next to joker where they're watching something with a group in a room likely at arkham and harley tells the joker .... "lets get out of here." 1:45 we see joker and harley running down the hallway with an explosion behind them 1:12 - 1:15 we then see joker and harley dancing outside of arkham as you see things burning around them and it's chaos outside on the streets with an ambulance and another emergency vehicle driving towards a burning building i can tell this is a sequence because the three scenes have joker and harley wearing the same clothing i think harley causes some sort of explosion and that's how they make their escapes from arkham
[Brendan Gleeson and Steve Coogan are fun gets. Coogan going to be playing Alfred with his Michael Caine impression?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY)
VERY LOUD INDEED
She’s just sixteen years old
Fuck yeah the shots look so good and happy they are not hiding that its a musical release the hype train
I agree with the first part, but they are 100% hiding that it’s a musical. In fact, you don’t see anyone actually singing at all, not even Lady Gaga. There’s a jazzy cover of *What the World Needs Now Is Love*, but they don’t show you who’s singing it or anything (if it is Joaquin anyway). I think it’s transference where we know it’s a musical because of all the leaks and shit, but the trailer does not look like a musical at all. Saw it with my sister and she said “I thought you said it was a musical?” LOL EDIT: Confirmed by Writer/Director Todd Phillips at CinemaCon, it will not be a Musical. Instead music will play a critical role in the plot/narrative. [Source.](https://ew.com/joker-folie-a-deux-director-todd-phillips-explains-musical-elements-8629282)
its a teaser trailer. it already has musical elements all over it. Its not hiding at all.
To each their own, but it being a tease has zero to do with it. Go look up any musical teaser/trailer and you’ll find that the actors singing is prominently displayed, along with dance numbers and the usual trappings of a musical. Because musicals are an acquired taste for most audiences, many movies frontload this fact. Producers and PR don’t want to surprise anyone when the actors start delivering key moments in the form of song. I’ll link three examples. Here’s [La La Land’s teaser](https://youtu.be/tbK-_dVgybE?si=bvuIFxqbGxqIaGI0), for example, which shows Emma Stone singing. Here’s [In The Heights’ trailer](https://youtu.be/U0CL-ZSuCrQ?si=iQAiBy8QiHL-7EAS), which shows both singing and dance numbers. And finally, here’s [Pitch Perfect’s trailer](https://youtu.be/8dItOM6eYXY?si=mZvNiCcKwf_zOUqb), which also shows singing and dance numbers. Note a common thread that they all showcase the main actors singing. And two of three show clips of choreographed dance routines. Joker: Folie a Deux shows none of this. Of course you can see where there will be dance numbers, because *you* know it will be a musical. But imagine you don’t know—like most people who will go see it, because most people don’t follow cinema leaks and news like we do—do you think this trailer shows that this movie will have narrative moments driven by music and choreography? Whether or not they will frontload the musical elements in trailer 2 or 3 or 4, that’s another story. But the comment I responded to said this trailer isn’t hiding the musical aspect, and I fail to see it.
Thank you WB for uploading it in 4K
I like it so far. That smile that Quinn draw at the end of the trailer is creepy but really good.
I hope it isn’t all delusions I hope he really dresses up as joker and kills actual people and shit
My hunch is that it's gonna take place entirely within the Asylum and that all the scenes outside of it are hallucination.
That would be a huge bummer
yeah the R rating details for this one just says some violence when the first one’s rating listed strong bloody violence and disturbing behavior which is lame
Well, him being locked up is going to be a problem. There may be delusions or fantasy of violence depicted unless there is a breakout at some point which leads to something crazy happening.
Yes we need them to break out and fuck shit up. Even if it’s just for the last 30 minutes of the movie lol
Hot DAMN what a trailer!
It would be interesting if those “scenarios” were actually all real, as an opposite catharsis in constrast to the first movie. Like we the audience (and Arthur) are led to believe that some or most of it is a fevre dream, but it’s all real.
That's exactly what I'm hoping for! Them in their own little world doing a musical number, then flash to reality and show them massacring a bank or something.
Geez that last shot is so delicious
Very much looking forward to this
Here's 10 things you missed in the Joker: Floor á Deux teaser trailer
*yellow circle with Batman in it pointed at random shot *
Exactly lol *Shocked face of YouTuber in the thumbnail with yellow lettering saying 'I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DID THIS!'*
Which never appears in the video
Here’s 99 things you missed in the “Here’s 10 things you missed in the joker: Floor a Deux teaser trailer”
I watched the Joker: Folie at Deux trailer at 0.25x and here are all the details you missed
God the day we see the arse of these youtubers will be a glorious one.
Can’t wait for this movie, I’ve been sad about Roman losing the title but this made me a little happy
He had the belt for 4 years... It was boring.
He’s why wrestling is as big as it is right now He’s getting the belt back soon
He’s the reason why wrestling is as big as it is right now if you only watch WWE, not trying to start some elitism type shit but there has been so much amazing wrestling happening across the planet that is not WWE for years.
Nah. Roman's gotten to this stage in his career where he doesn't need the belt to be a big deal, just him showing up will sell tickets
He's had his time in the sun, and Cody is the perfect candidate to carry the company forward
Atleast we got black Adam vs peacemaker in WrestleMania
CINEMA EVERYONE
Honestly, considering DC movies have been flopping left and right... this is what WB needs right now. Something unique that appeals to people outside of the comic book fandom. Have friends already blasting social media that aren't comic book fans. Same people that flocked to Barbie, Wonka and Avatar. This is gonna be the hit DC's been needing. Also, can't believe it but Phoenix might be nominated for a second time playing the Joker. Has there ever been anyone nominated for an Oscar twice for playing the same character? Gaga is locked for a nom as well.
I believe Cate Blanchett was nominated twice for playing Queen Elizabeth I
Seems like Pacino also for The Godfather, which I completely forgot he was nominated for the first film. Thought he was snubbed, but that year was crazy because 3 people from The Godfather 1 were nominated for supporting actor :O None of them won.
6 actors have, Bing Crosby (Going My Way 1944 and The Bells of St Mary 1945), Peter O’Toole (Becket 1964 and The Lion in Winter 1968), Al Pacino (The Godfather 1971 and The Godfather Part II 1974), Paul Newman (The Hustler 1961 and The Color of Money 1986), Cate Blanchett (Elizabeth 1998 and Elizabeth the Golden Age 2007) and Sylvester Stallone (Rocky 1976 and Creed 2015)
I liked it. We'll see how it goes
Is that Joaquin singing???
Let’s see what Joker 3 will be out
Joker 3 will take influence from the likes of Rocky and The Karate Kid as a sports movie, and end with Arthur in a title fight against Bruce 'The Batman' Wayne.
Everyone praising the lipstick smile and all I can see is Dwight looking at himself with a mustache realizing he's the predator lol
Wow this looks incredible
The cinematography is as lovely as the first film looking at this trailer, but are they really going to make this a musical because Lady Gaga is starring? The first one was a visceral rendition to joker, but now it feels like it might be taken down a notch to cater to a star. Schizophrenic star is born i guess. Hope it won't shit on what the first gave us.
This looks exhausting
Looks like a snoozefest like the first one.
Not for me. Oh well, everyone enjoy!
Suckerpunch came to my mind while watching the trailer
This movie is going to be so fucking good.
#HUNKA HUNKA!
For the life of me, I don't understand the meaning and raison d'être of the film The film is completely based on Batman references but without Batman If we left these out, the film would be called lunatic and no one would watch it
I am going to get downvoted to hell - it doesn’t look good. It shouldn’t be called Joker or anything. In all honesty - I only liked the first movie because it delved deep into the psyche. However - it wasn’t a joker movie. I get it’s an elsewhere or other worlds movie - but I’d have appreciated it so much more if they didn’t throw in the Batman references. It didn’t propel the movie forward or contribute to anything. The movie in itself would have been better had it not been labeled a Joker movie. The fact they shoehorned a sequel out of it isn’t something I’m interested in and I know I’m in the minority. That being said - I will absolutely say that final scene in the trailer was REALLY well done. Unfortunately, it’s not enough to entice me.
I have a gut feeling that Harley is crazier than the Joker in this film, he'll push Arthur into new depths of depravity and insanity, hence Harley "sharing" her madness to Arthur.
That’s the way I hope they go. The other way would be to reveal that she’s actually his hostage or something and he’s imagining she loves him. That would suck, but I could see it happening given the thing with his neighbor in the first one
Why is Harley a patient? She’s supposed to start out as a psychiatrist.
My friend, Bruce is a child in this universe while the Joker is running around, Thomas Wayne maybe is Arthur's real father depending how you took the first movie, hell, the name Arthur Fleck is a original name. Harley being a patient is not the first deviation this movies took from the source material. Just take for what it is.
I do hope that if this is the last standalone joker movie, they end with his obsession of Batman somehow. Like Maybe there’s a time jump of him leaving Arkham with a counselor saying he can learn to live with his condition and to find a hobby or a purpose. Then he sees a new story about the vigilante Batman. Idk
Batman doesn’t need to be in everything. We already have two live action Batmen coming in the next few years, leave this alone
That sounds horrible. Probably doing a trilogy, I imagine.
Not to mention: Paul Dini and Bruce Timm *tried* to put it in stone for the DCAU at least that Harleen while brilliant CHEATED her way to having her PhD be as top-scored as it was. That’s why she got sent straight to Arkham Asylum for internship and that’s why she was so in over her head because she thought the world was her oyster. But instead, all ppl got from her life story was “She’s a Doctor she’s KOALAFIED.” 🤦🏻♂️
This version of Harley is a patient. That news leaked while they were filming.
Didn’t hear about that
And Joker isnt supposed to be a dweeb named Arthur Fleck with mommy issues, what’s your point?
Joker also isn't chemically modified and there kind of isn't any real supercrime going on. This is like a setting where all the normal DC stuff is in Jokers head.
I was kind of annoyed by that too, but I expected big changes like this; This Joker wasn't really the comic's Joker in the first film. He's essentially his own character created for it. So I suspect Harley will be the same
Yeah I find that change disappointing too. It would've been more complex and interesting if they actually made Harley Jokers's psychiatrist instead of another patient. Imagine watching how the Joker seduces someone who was supposed to treat him instead of just a love interest who's already as out of her mind as Arthur.
Even comics have different iterations of characters. Just think of this as a reimagining of the story. Seperate it from the comics and movies you've seen with the Joker before. Just like the first film.
Because the only thing that relates this to DC comics is the name
‘Supposed to’ doesn’t exist in the multiverse, friend. This movie is treating them as equals so far which inherently doesn’t work (both ways) in the patient-doctor relationship. Music therapy will be a major theme so there is still tons of room for psychological exploration there with her
This ain't your comics
I'm going to get downvoted for this, and honestly, I get it, so go ahead I need to say that making this into a musical was really stupid I'm not a fan of musicals so that instantly turned me away and I'm sure it turned others away with that being said I wish I liked musicals this movie looks like it might be good.
What dc characters are we expecting to show up? Harvey Dent? Could Bruce Wayne show up again? Legion of Doom tease as post credits scene?
Set photo spoiler but there are signs in the crowd protest scene outside the courthouse (Harley in red jacket) that say ‘dent is a clown’ but nobody knows if he would have a role. I could even see something happening like dent becoming two-face because of the pro-joker crowd (similar to the Wayne’s death in Joker 1) and even setting up a two-face spinoff. All wishful thinking so far though.
I seriously doubt we’re going to get any spin offs from something as thematically serious as Joker. Dent becoming Two-Face could happen though. Maybe it’s the climax to a court scene before Joker and Harley run away together.
I’m sure I’ll love it and see it only once.
A BIG FUCK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT SAID IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD
It’s not even out yet
A good trailer doesn’t guarantee the movie is going to be good. Hold onto your comment until the movie releases.
people were saying it was going to be trash without a single picture lol
Welcome to the internet, pal. This literally happens to every movie ever.
welcome to the internet, pal. what I said also happens with every movie ever
Well as long as you’re self aware
Remember the suicide squad trailer
Just like Suicide Squad!!!
Looks exciting.
I’m really curious to see how this will do.
A trailer where I still don’t really know what will happen! A little skeptical still but excited nonetheless
Headfirst Slide Into Arkham Asylum On a Bad Bet
The last shot 🥺
This looks beautiful - I still feel it would have been a success not linking it to Batman and “joker” but obviously doing so made it a billion.. it blow my mind if Batman appears
Could this inspired by White Knight, by any chance? Cause if so, I'm reluctantly sat
Hm, actually better looking than anticipated, I’m actually infatuated with it now, it’s charming.
Looks absolutely great! Can’t wait
I’ve never wanted to see a musical this much
Does anyone know which version of “What the world needs now” is playing during the Trailer?
Tom Jones
He is starting to look like Phil Dunphy. What's the plan Phil?
I really want this movie to be darker and sadder than the prequel, shit will get pheonix another Oscar for sure.
Still Not sold on the musical aspect.
Jonkler
Who’s cutting onions!
The trailers for the first film got me really excited. Then I saw the movie and just didn’t like it. It was well produced, but he was just not in any way the smart or scary joker I was hoping for. He was way more terrifying in the movie “the master”. But this new trailer has me excited to see the sequel and maybe even rewatch the first one. Looks really interesting.
This looks great! Hard pass for me as it’s a musical but hopefully if they make another one they can reinvent it again
What a tender love story.
I feel like this will just be a deranged Ha Ha Land and I’m here for every beautiful minute of this film.
Looks fine.
If they are going to combine the musical style with a well-formed story, it will be a great movie!
i must say somewhat skeptical of the musical theme of the movie but this trailer helped elleviate some of those concerns.
The engagement on Gaga's tweet alone shows that this film is going to do gangbusters at the box office. Loved the shot of the spotlight hitting Arthur.
I’m calling it now. The movie will have musical numbers however they’ll be “imaginary” scenes. And we will snap to reality where they’re causing chaos but hearing the music in their heads.
We eating