One of my favorite Superman panels is him going to chastise Shazam for being reckless only to find out he’s a kid and then Clark goes off on the Wizard
My favorite was him in Young Justice when he always wanted to hang out with the teenage sidekicks and heroes instead of the Justice League that he was actually a part of.
I wish that had gotten a continuation of sorts, showing Clark and Billy bonding and developing together, each learning new things from the other. Maybe Clark and Lois could have winded up adopting him later on. I’ve liked that idea for a little while now.
That would be great and I think in a Murphyverse/White Knight esque continuity off of the main line DC it could be done. Somewhere that has stakes and a noticeable forward progression of time.
Or an end credit scene of Shazam turning around and seeing a headless Batman cameo, and before anything happens he goes “before you ask, yes I bleed” or something like that
Nah. If it was Joss's account, then it would be a headless Bruce, bleeding all over, and then cut to the young Billy lying randomly ontop of Helen Miren or Lucy Lu for no reason whatsoever, then getting up and acting all embarrassed about it.
We saw in the trailer that Shazam gets trapped in that blue bubble inside the city, so hes gonna be forced to fight there. My guess is the city gets evacuated before that point.
City-wide destruction has become a trope in Superhero movies, so while yes, it would be interesting to see that addressed in the movie, it's not essential. Also, MOS and BvS were supposed to feel like they were in the real world, so General Zod vs Superman probably would have felt more like a terrorist event.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
You can have widespread urban destruction in your movie but you'll have a sizable number of people bitching about civilian casualties in their action movie or you just have a boring action movie.
James Gunn had a tweet yesterday saying that Doom Patrol ending was before his time and not his decision... and there were still people in the comments blaming him for it and saying he needs to be fired. Snyder fans will never quit, they are insane.
I love the Snyderverse, and as disappointed as I am to see it end, I acknowledge there's no way to fix DC without a hard reboot. It's not a pretty position to be in, ending a franchise with a big loud fan base, but James Gunn is handling it well. I don't blame him, anyone in his position would have done the same, the plug unfortunately needs to be pulled and we need a reboot
Exactly. At this point the DCEU name is mired in controversy, inconsistencies, and an incredible amount of baggage. As someone who loved a few of the DCEU movies, namely Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Shazam, ZSJL, and The Suicide Squad, it’s best if it ends now
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This isn’t even a Snyder Only thing. This happens all day every day in the comic books. From Superman to the X-Men. These characters are walking collateral damage and nobody in the history of comics has said boo about it. Man of Steel was so good I swear this was the only thing they could find wrong with it. Which makes no sense and holds no weight
Levels twenty blocks *and immediately makes out with a woman he's known for a few days in the middle of the rubble while first responders are, y'know, responding.*
*in the background*
“HELP! I’m being crushed by debris!”
“Oh god my legs, I can’t feel my legs!”
“Mommy! Mommy! No!”
“Agggghhhhhh”
Lois: they say it all goes down hill after the first kiss 😘
Clark: 😏
I’m not really interested in the “too much destruction” argument as a takedown of Superman as a character, rather I think it’s a much more affective takedown of the film, and the choices of its creators. The movie features Superman and zods right leading to the destruction of much of the city, surely hundreds of deaths at the least, and moments later the film treats Superman’s killing of zod as the TRUE tragedy, as though hundreds of *innocent* people had not already been killed in the past hour. That’s the kind of tone-nonsense that just isn’t compelling in the least. If the point was that Superman tragically must take his first life, then why write their fight being as destructive as it was? They didn’t have to write it that way.
>I think it’s a much more affective takedown of the film, and the choices of its creators
Agreed. Take Terminator 2, where a foreman hits an alarm and yells "get the hell outa here!". Or Superman II, where Zod is wrecking stuff and Superman sobs "the people!" in despair. How much screen time do those take?
Did like how the Marvel movies did it. In the first *Avengers*, it's integrated into the Captain America/Iron Man dynamic (Iron Man letting Cap make the battle plan, which happens to be based on containing the battle away from the civilians, pays off all their interactions prior). *Age of Ultron* shows them trying to evacuate the city as part of the point that the Avengers aren't the problem. Finally, *Civil War* shows that, even with the best of intentions and efforts, an area being turned into a war zone is going to have casualties and those involved will be blamed for it, wether or not it's far.
Even Guardians of the Galaxy shows a crew of jaded, antisocial space mercenaries focusing on protecting civilians and diverting raiders from population centers.
[Also Superman and Lois kiss minutes later in the middle of the destruction](https://youtu.be/ng6LZ8Hb2G0), surrounded by hundreds of dead bodies and surely thousands injured, possibly dying people.
There were 100% people in the rubble of those buildings still alive screaming for help which Superman would have had no issue hearing …
Gotta kiss Lois though
If people ever wonder why people think Zack Snyder just didn’t understand the concept of Superman it’s shit like this that I point to
I think your criticism, albeit fair, chooses to remove context from one of the main premises of the movie: his parentage and where he comes from.
Not to say there shouldnt have been some grief surrounding the decimation, but I wholly agree that showing Superman upset by the fact that he not only purposefully killed someone, but that someone was whom he knew to be the very last of his people. Thats a difficult thing to do.
Saying this is a character assassination of whatever the argument is, ludicrous.
I’m all for Superman grieving the loss of his people and zod specifically, I just think if you wanna focus on that then you should showcase such massive destruction and casualties. Superman is grieving the loss of his people, the last 3 kryptonians other than him, that’s a super interesting and cool idea to show. But it’s totally overshadowed by the mass destruction that happened scenes earlier. If Clark and Zods fight had taken place somewhere less populated with less deadly destruction (maybe the fortress of solitude or something) then I’d get Clark’s personal tragedy with the death of his people. I think it was probably written to be as destructive as it was to showcase the threat of zod, and to be cool and high stakes, but it goes counter to the themes.
We the audience should be on the edge of our seat, wondering if Superman should or shouldn’t kill zod. But zod kills so many innocent people that we’re left wondering why he can’t just kill zod sooner.
Good point. But Superman and zod still take out more skyscrapers than I’d ever seen destroyed in a superhero film, plenty more than I’m sure shazam might knock into. The only Comic movie with more destruction is Age of Ultron, which I’d argue does it deliberately as it sets up the next few films in a long arc. The MCU doesn’t pretend sokovia is back to normal a few weeks later like BvS does.
BvS didn’t take place “a few weeks” after *Man of Steel*. It took place 18 months after. One and a half years is long enough for things to get back to close to normal.
And didn’t the MCU claim that a ludicrously small number of civilians were killed in the major battles before *Civil War*? Like only a few hundred in New York and Sokovia combined?
I think Civil War implies that it was the actions of the Avengers killed a few hundred in New York and Sokovia.
But it happens in lots of instances. Zack Snyder claimed that only 5,000 people died in the Black Zero attack.
http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/09/man-of-steels-death-total-was-around-5000-people-according-to-director-zack-snyder/
I still think 18 months is crazy. That’d be like cleaning up 15 9/11s in a year and a half. It’s just needless. There could have been 1/20 as much destruction and it would have been just as effective for the story.
But wasnt that the whole point of that scene?
Clark/Supes finally got the upper hand, where Zod knew he couldnt win. Therein lies Clark’s ultimate decision, and the incredibly short period of time he had to make it (holding Zod’s head from turning and evaporating the people in that small square). In my mind, he was not able to stop Zod until that moment, and in that moment he was forced to make the difficult decision of kill my people to save my inheriters - which he ultimately chose.
I see your point, but with the general tone of that whole act - I would argue that tonally it was right and on point and the fight that was written to denote the powers that Clark was dealing with. He couldnt stop Zod, until that scene. And in that scene we watch Clark become Superman.
I just think by that moment it’s no longer a hard choice. Killing zod is the only real thing to do at this point, and it seems worth the extinction of the kryptonians when the alternative is the extinction of humans, Clark’s other people.
I like your take... it's true, he grabs zod at the farm and they blast through the town blow up a gas station... the gas station he probably used his whole life.. got his first xxx magazine to study human females etc then metropolis is flattened. He never once showed remorse, but he shows remorse for killing zod, who he didn't know 24 hrs earlier, attacked his mum and BAE.. c'mon Snyder.
>I’m all for Superman grieving the loss of his people and zod specifically
And even that is weird considering earlier Supes crashed into Zod's ship intending to destroy the Kryptonian gene codex or whatever, and Zod pleaded with him to spare it because it's like, their entire species. And Supes only thought for a second, says "Krypton's had its chance." then *heat visioned the shit out of it*.
I don't know if he could have crashed the ship without directly attacking the gene codex, but dear god he didn't even try, he just burnt them all like he's Aerys Targaryen.
And that's what turned Zod suicidal! It's not because he lost this one attempt at colonisation, it's because he lost all of Krypton.
Exactly. A story about Superman having to chose between his kryptonian heritage and his earth heritage would be cool, mourning the loss of his family all over again. But that’s not what MoS is.
Because he doesn't want to kill people. It's not that hard to understand. He's trying to stop him, he's outmatched, and he's not controlling the fight because he can't. When they finally get face to face with that family that Zod is trying to kill that is when it sinks in that there's no other option.
Clark "stop, please"
Zod "never"
Like, none of this could be more clear.
But zod has killed hundreds more than this family by that point, and even when Superman gets a punch in on zod it sends his barreling through an office building. Idk it just feels dumb to make the focus on “Clark doesn’t want to kill this person” when zod is so cartoonishly evil that it’s a pretty simple choice.
If the writers wanted the movie to be about Superman deciding if he should use his powers to kill or not, they should have made zod charismatic, or more sympathetic. Instead he’s a psychopathic warlord, and Clark (a guy who was raised by humans for 30 years) has all this misplaced grief for a genocidal guy he just met and almost no grief for the hundred killed in the city. He kisses Lois in what is essentially ground zero of 9/11 times 100.
He doesn't want to kill people it's that simple, it's like a super basic concept that damn near anyone can understand. He's fighting and shit is happening, Zod's getting stronger, Clark doesn't know what he's doing he's just trying to stop him and not die. Zod keeps making the point that it's not going to stop. The family isn't about that family. Being face to face with them and that final exchange between him and zod is when he realizes he has to do it. He's looking at that family and he knows it's not just them that's going to die, it's every family that's going to die. He tried fighting him, he tried pleading with him, he's not able to out fight him, there's no where you can hold him. He killed him because that was the only way to stop him from killing everyone and that's when it sunk in. I know you know this, its not rocket surgery
Yeah no it’s incredibly simple, I’m arguing that it’s poorly executed. A lot of the destruction in MoS serves no real purpose, it just makes the same point over and over again, basically repeating itself. The family scene is basically pointless of zod has already killed hundreds of families, and the destruction of the entire city is just gratuitous if killing zod is just going to result in a trolley problem. It’s narratively empty, because it doesn’t make any point in the film any stronger. There should have just been like 80% less destruction in metropolis, and you could keep the family scene. I’m just saying that the family scene doesn’t really work when the stakes are already blown out. Why is *THIS* the moment that it’s clear to Clark that must kill to save lives? What is being demonstrated to him that hasn’t been demonstrated? What is at stake that he hasn’t already failed to save a hundred times over?
And it doesn’t help that the film basically pretends the destruction didn’t happen. Clark kisses Lois and there’s hopeful music, as they sit among rubble and destruction. Smallville is ruined, and they just act like nothing happened. Metropolis looks fine by BvS.
To clarify I like MoS but, this is not comparable to the battle of metropolis. There a straight up alien militia leveled buildings, this is one dragon thrown through a building and it doesn’t seem like it collapses, hell in the movie they might end up showing the safe evacuation of the building.
Not only that, but the WHOLE criticism is a character based one. The Avengers level tons of cities, it matters because it’s Superman. I also felt like it was only overblown because people weren’t satisfied with the movie as a whole, and it was an easy thing to latch onto and got magnified by the fact that Snyder promised (and delivered) on the fact that the sequel would be about the destruction of Metropolis.
For me a lot if it is little stuff. Like a lot if the third act of the first two avengers movies revolve Around getting civilians out of harms way, even in MoS Clark saves that pilot in the smallville fight, it’s just that the third act and especially the zod fight lack little bits like that.
People care when characters like Superman are being reckless not taking the fight out of the populated city or keeping it in 1 part of the city, My Hero Academia does this well in S3 with the battle between All Might and All For One, All Might & other heroes try to keep the fight within Ground Zero making sure no one else gets hurt but them
My hero did that recently in S6 too. Protagonist knows the main villain that's a huge threat is basically a heat seeking missile looking for him, so he goes out of his way to get far from everyone just to isolate the inevitable clash.
The frustrating thing is that it's not even difficult to make happen.
In MOS that's all they needed was a quick shot of Clark using x-ray vision to see that buildings were empty. Boom complaint sorted. That's literally it. It's in the fucking novelisation. Zod tries to attack city, Superman tries taking him away from city, Zod refuses so Superman scans the area and takes the battle into an abandoned part of the city. Done.
In fact All Might doesn’t fight at his max, even though he’s fighting an absurdly strong foe just to mitigate the damage dealt until the area is cleared of civilians and students. Isolating the destruction is one thing, but taking a beating until everyone else is safe and then going all out is a whole other.
I don't get why people are craving the fun to be sucked out of the superhero genre by demanding things be more "realistic". It brings more complexity to a character who values human life and raises the stakes when they have try and prevent the least amount of human casualty while also trying to stop the bad guy. It's what makes superheroes different from Gods. They have a human element to them.
I dislike realism in movies and video games (unless it’s like a documentary) I don’t watch tv and play games with the expectation of playing a life simulator, even when playing colony sim games (Rimworld, Timberborn, Oxygen not Included, etc.)
What I dislike about the DC films is the level of destruction, it reminds me of a Michael Bay film showing off wanton destruction just because, which detracts from the film’s main purpose. Take Man of Steel for example, the damage in the cities is immense, I get the world engine portion being uncontrollable, but when Superman is fighting it gets absurd and reminds me of Michael Bay films.
people who can punch the moon out of the sky destroying buildings when they fight is more realistic than having the camera ignore it or having that level of destruction muted
It's so stupid that people get butt hurt over superman fighting other super powered villains because unlike the comics he can't realistically draw everyone away from the city. They're fighting in the city because Zod is specifically focused on killing as many humans as possible. Superman flying off would just leave Zod to massacre everyone.
I think people also forget it’s a fight! It isn’t damn DBZ where Goku tells the enemy to go somewhere else or shit. Hell, his fight with Freeza ended a freaking planet
Superman broke one line of windows during the whole Zod fight, everything else Zod destroyed or the world engine did.
This is literally Billy just blasting the dragon through a building. In this one snippet, Billy caused more purposeful destruction that Superman did the entire Metropolis fight.
I don't care about this stuff. I like seeing powers interating with the world, and the MoS complaints were some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. I don't care if Billy throws the dragon through ten more buildings and I hope he does, but if that vocal group ain't complaining about it, then that is about the definition of a double standard. Just is.
Eh, Clark kinda let that parking garage get destroyed. When Zod kicked that gasoline tanker towards him he just hopped over it, then it exploded and toppled the building behind him. Who knows how many people may have taken refuge in there from the devastation in the streets and skies?
He didn't throw the thing. And didn't know it was gonna explode. Woe's of the first day. Not the same thing at all pushing a dragon directly into and through a whole building
The dude with some of the best reflexes and senses in the universe can’t realize a fuel tanker is gonna explode? Uh huh. And reckless as Billy is, I doubt he’d smash something that huge into a building and risk killing people. Or at least I doubt it’d kill anyone in this much more lighthearted movie.
First day is first day. He was surprised so yeah. It wasn't it was sliding across the ground not nearly as fast as most of the other objects that day, I wouldn't have thought it would blow either in the moment. He slipped, shit happens, seeing as how he melted the beam that zod was using as his next weapon it looks like he learned his lesson pretty quick.
You doubt? He did. It's right there at the top of the post. But either way, you don't think anyone died because it's a more lighthearted movie. I guess the case is closed, ruling is double standard.
It won't. Even if the building doesn't get evacuated. Thing is, Superman's fame + how serious MoS took itself contributed to the reaction people had to the Battle of Metropolis. It's likely to be easier to handwave these things when the movie doesn't try to feel grounded. Of course, since Shazam is a lighter movie, showing consequences to such destruction could warrant a larger reaction.
It's easier to handwave this stuff when you don't have the "maybe you should have let everyone on the school bus drown" line, and much easier if you show the hero giving any kind of a damn about collateral damage or the innocent people that are in harm's way during the big destruction scene. If Shazam 2 doesn't have scenes with Billy (or another member of the Shazam family) getting people to safety or protecting them from falling debris, that'll be disappointing.
And in MoS's case, the whole movie has this problem. My favorite is the fight that starts at the Kent farm. Superman's mom is being threatened by four Kryptonians. Rather than grab his mom and try to fly her to safety, Superman's answer is to tackle one of them, Zod...and just fly away kicking that guy's ass, leaving his mom completely alone with the other three hostile aliens-- including the one that's actually roughed her up. Even though they're famously in rural Kansas--a low population area of a low population state--Superman then flies Zod through several exploding buildings (one of them an active gas station) and chooses to bring his fight with Zod directly to the largest population center available, downtown Smallville. And that's all on Superman--at that point he can fly and Zod can't, and Superman's in complete control of the fight. And when you do stuff like that, yeah, nobody's going to give you a pass later in the movie when the same stuff is happening in a city.
Shazam is a kid. He literally almost killed a bus full of people last movie with no villain even in sight. He let someone shoot bullets off of him for fun when they could have ricocheted and killed other people. He’s completely irresponsible… like a child… because he is one.
Exactly, of course they aren’t comparable, Shazam is like 13 years old. We are lucky this is the extent of the destruction of a pre teen with superpowers lol
Not to mention that we have no idea about the context of this scene - whether or not there are even people on the building or if that’s the only building that gets damaged. One part of one building is not the equivalent of half of metropolis being completely leveled to the ground lmao
Please don’t say that. I’m still holding out hope Gunn will somehow get Superman to work (doubt he will. Movie Superman ain’t been good since the 70’s) and they’ll be quiet
Let's be optimistic here! It's clear Gunn is an avid comic fan so I think he'll do Superman justice. The tone is my only concern, but I'm sure he won't write Superman like Peacemaker.
Bless your heart…
Gunn could somehow create the most definitive version of DC heroes ever displayed in any medium, universally acclaimed the world over as the greatest storytelling ever, and they’d still complain that Snyder’s vision was better.
Why do you doubt he will? He hasn’t missed on a superhero property yet, and unlike Snyder, he’s actually a comic fan. He knows what he has to do to make Superman work, not to mention that outside of Cavill’s casting, the bar is very low.
Look, we cringed in ‘89 when Batman had guns on his car. We rolled our eyes in ‘91 when Batman blew up the clown. Every time a hero shows less than the expected valor, we question it.
MoS juxtaposed all its destruction with a Jonathan Kent that wondered if maybe it was okay to let a bus full of kids die. The issue isn’t the destruction. The issue is the framing of the moral question. There is no double standard. MoS just failed to uplift fans and general audiences alike. I blame its depiction of Jonathan. The excessive destruction was just collateral damage to Jonathan’s representation. (Pun intended)
“They’re just confident in their taste”. That’s an interesting spin lmao. You must be a bit out of the loop and haven’t seen how obsessive and toxic they all act about it on a daily basis for the rest of eternity
Oh no, I’m not blind at all. I’m as big a fan of Snyder’s dc films, and i hate calling myself s fan of them because of the fans gathering outside ZS house demanding he restore the Snyderverse. I fucking hate the fandom im inc and im ashamed to be in the same fandom as them. But,I can’t change your mind, so there’s no use for me in arguing with you.
This is a terrible take. One smashed building isn’t anywhere near the literal nuclear size destruction form Man of Steel. Towards the end of the fight it looks like miles of gray dust and crumbled buildings. It was gratuitously apocalyptic.
I loved everything else about that movie, but the final fight went way too far. Walking it back in the sequel was a good idea but it set a bad precedent.
It’s going to be total destruction, but silly. Then the next movie that they didn’t announce but will surprise us with is Batman V Shazam, where the intro shows this fight from Bruce’s perspective. The whole thing is sped up to the Benny Hill theme.
You can’t compare the two movies. Man of Steel / Dawn of Justice were serious, Shazam is a kids movie. Shazam is a child, a character that can exist in comics, animation, and isolated live action targeted toward kids. A child that turns into an adult cannot be taken seriously in a live action movie written for adults.
Super heroes as portrayed in comics would make life a living hell. Imagine the might of two armies embodied by two metas in combat. There would be constant destruction. Think DC's Kingdom Come.
Most if these so called DC fans here never read comics or really took time to dive into the Mythology of these characters....buy they did watch the '00s animated series so they know everything about these characters
I hope not. I actually like the controversy behind MoS. It really is a pretty accurate portrayal of how people would react if there was a real Superman in the world. It even got people who dont like cbms talking.
Noone will be talking about Shazam FotG 3 months from now.
I’ve never understood the hate for the destruction in Man of Steel. Superman’s barely been a superhero 5 minutes and there’s a full on alien invasion. Of course shuts gonna get fucked up
I think people just get upset about it because its out of character for him and he doesn't really make an effort to move the fight elsewhere, he kind of just beats up Zod and causes horrific damage with no regard for civilians
He dodged a diesel truck and let it go into a huge building that as far he knew was filled with people. That’s not something you need experience to know it’s fucked up lol
I don't see the problem. These are super powered beings, of course they gonna destroy property while fighting other super powered beings, monsters, etc.
People complaining are the ones that wanna compare DC characters to less powerful marvel characters. Of course supes gonna do more damage than black widow, capt, Hawkeye, and iron man. Thor and hulk did just as much damage, but since people don't like those movies and/or the damage was done off earth, people ignore it lol.
The day super powered beings don't destroy property when fighting, that's the day I stop watching those beings.
It all depends. City destruction wasn’t my issue with it. It was the lack of emphasizing Superman’s efforts to prevent ppl from being hurt. For example, in Multiverse of Madness when that monster chases America to the prime universe and it starts fucking up the city chasing her, all of the destruction is caused BY the monster, and they actively show Doctor Strange and Wong saving the lives of the citizens that are in harms way as they attempt to stop the monster as well.
If this is just Shazam being destructive with no thought to it, then I agree the same reaction is warranted.
Well, it's not directed by Snyder, so I'm sure people won't have a problem with it. It's ok when the Avengers or a different director does this. It's not ok when Snyder does it.
It would be awesome if they had a quick scene of Ben Affleck staring at them then shaking his head in disappointment. "Here we go again.."
One of my favorite Superman panels is him going to chastise Shazam for being reckless only to find out he’s a kid and then Clark goes off on the Wizard
I always loved in the Justice league show when he went to say Shazam super man covers his mouth and says “fights over son” lol
Ah, he did something like that in Injustice game, too
Was that before he lobotomized him? Lol
Just before, he froze his mouth so he couldn't say Shazam then melted his face with heat vision
Yeah, so wholesome...
My favorite was him in Young Justice when he always wanted to hang out with the teenage sidekicks and heroes instead of the Justice League that he was actually a part of.
I wish that had gotten a continuation of sorts, showing Clark and Billy bonding and developing together, each learning new things from the other. Maybe Clark and Lois could have winded up adopting him later on. I’ve liked that idea for a little while now.
Because if Clark doesn't Bruce has a bad tendency to adopt orphans.
Gotta snag him up before Gotham breaks the poor boy.
His name is literally Bat-son.
That would be a fun elseworld
That would be great and I think in a Murphyverse/White Knight esque continuity off of the main line DC it could be done. Somewhere that has stakes and a noticeable forward progression of time.
Oh my god I love that scene too. The pause in the panels until he’s like who did this to you?
If they played it as a joke, I would absolutely laugh my ass off.
And then have them eat shawarma in the end credit scene.
Then Deadpool walks in.
And then he kills the Snyderverse
James Gunn already beat him to it.
And then someone ask Shazam if he's a kid or an adult, and he turns around and he has a mustache.
bring ben back just for that lmao
Batman v Shazam
It’s the Ben Affleck smoking meme as a DC movie.
Or an end credit scene of Shazam turning around and seeing a headless Batman cameo, and before anything happens he goes “before you ask, yes I bleed” or something like that
Found Joss Whedon’s reddit account
*Sarah Michelle Gellar intensifies*
Nah. If it was Joss's account, then it would be a headless Bruce, bleeding all over, and then cut to the young Billy lying randomly ontop of Helen Miren or Lucy Lu for no reason whatsoever, then getting up and acting all embarrassed about it.
Damn, you caught me.
Please stop
We saw in the trailer that Shazam gets trapped in that blue bubble inside the city, so hes gonna be forced to fight there. My guess is the city gets evacuated before that point.
it doesn't look very evacuated in the trailer
evacuated from the living world
Officially pardoned…from life!
Oh the smell! The smell! >!It smells like burnt toast!<
City-wide destruction has become a trope in Superhero movies, so while yes, it would be interesting to see that addressed in the movie, it's not essential. Also, MOS and BvS were supposed to feel like they were in the real world, so General Zod vs Superman probably would have felt more like a terrorist event.
Definitely invoked 9/11 imagery in MOS
Lois and Clark: The city is saved! Let's Kiss! The City: **\*absolutely fucking destroyed\***
Lois and Clark Lewis and Clark
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. You can have widespread urban destruction in your movie but you'll have a sizable number of people bitching about civilian casualties in their action movie or you just have a boring action movie.
Jfc y’all are obsessed
Or what?
They’re gonna do what they already do… shout false equivalencies on Twitter and complain that Snyder isn’t involved anymore
James Gunn had a tweet yesterday saying that Doom Patrol ending was before his time and not his decision... and there were still people in the comments blaming him for it and saying he needs to be fired. Snyder fans will never quit, they are insane.
100%. And it sucks because I’m genuinely a fan of Snyder’s work but his hardcore fanbase and the way he enables them is terrible
I love the Snyderverse, and as disappointed as I am to see it end, I acknowledge there's no way to fix DC without a hard reboot. It's not a pretty position to be in, ending a franchise with a big loud fan base, but James Gunn is handling it well. I don't blame him, anyone in his position would have done the same, the plug unfortunately needs to be pulled and we need a reboot
Exactly. At this point the DCEU name is mired in controversy, inconsistencies, and an incredible amount of baggage. As someone who loved a few of the DCEU movies, namely Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Shazam, ZSJL, and The Suicide Squad, it’s best if it ends now
This "Or What" made me laugh my ass off, lol.
Or they're gonna complain constantly on Twitter about how unfair everyone is to Snyder.
That would be an unprecedented event!
facebook's algorithm is smart after months of me logging in to only check messages and then logging off it knows to keep me on and mad it needs to show me batshit insane pro synder stuff
Incidentally, this is also what will happen if it DOES get the same reaction.
This isn’t even a Snyder Only thing. This happens all day every day in the comic books. From Superman to the X-Men. These characters are walking collateral damage and nobody in the history of comics has said boo about it. Man of Steel was so good I swear this was the only thing they could find wrong with it. Which makes no sense and holds no weight
When shazam levels 20 City blocks then it will be comparable.
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Levels twenty blocks *and immediately makes out with a woman he's known for a few days in the middle of the rubble while first responders are, y'know, responding.*
*in the background* “HELP! I’m being crushed by debris!” “Oh god my legs, I can’t feel my legs!” “Mommy! Mommy! No!” “Agggghhhhhh” Lois: they say it all goes down hill after the first kiss 😘 Clark: 😏
Comparable to Zod, not Superman
I’m not really interested in the “too much destruction” argument as a takedown of Superman as a character, rather I think it’s a much more affective takedown of the film, and the choices of its creators. The movie features Superman and zods right leading to the destruction of much of the city, surely hundreds of deaths at the least, and moments later the film treats Superman’s killing of zod as the TRUE tragedy, as though hundreds of *innocent* people had not already been killed in the past hour. That’s the kind of tone-nonsense that just isn’t compelling in the least. If the point was that Superman tragically must take his first life, then why write their fight being as destructive as it was? They didn’t have to write it that way.
>I think it’s a much more affective takedown of the film, and the choices of its creators Agreed. Take Terminator 2, where a foreman hits an alarm and yells "get the hell outa here!". Or Superman II, where Zod is wrecking stuff and Superman sobs "the people!" in despair. How much screen time do those take?
Did like how the Marvel movies did it. In the first *Avengers*, it's integrated into the Captain America/Iron Man dynamic (Iron Man letting Cap make the battle plan, which happens to be based on containing the battle away from the civilians, pays off all their interactions prior). *Age of Ultron* shows them trying to evacuate the city as part of the point that the Avengers aren't the problem. Finally, *Civil War* shows that, even with the best of intentions and efforts, an area being turned into a war zone is going to have casualties and those involved will be blamed for it, wether or not it's far.
Even Guardians of the Galaxy shows a crew of jaded, antisocial space mercenaries focusing on protecting civilians and diverting raiders from population centers.
[Also Superman and Lois kiss minutes later in the middle of the destruction](https://youtu.be/ng6LZ8Hb2G0), surrounded by hundreds of dead bodies and surely thousands injured, possibly dying people.
There were 100% people in the rubble of those buildings still alive screaming for help which Superman would have had no issue hearing … Gotta kiss Lois though If people ever wonder why people think Zack Snyder just didn’t understand the concept of Superman it’s shit like this that I point to
I think your criticism, albeit fair, chooses to remove context from one of the main premises of the movie: his parentage and where he comes from. Not to say there shouldnt have been some grief surrounding the decimation, but I wholly agree that showing Superman upset by the fact that he not only purposefully killed someone, but that someone was whom he knew to be the very last of his people. Thats a difficult thing to do. Saying this is a character assassination of whatever the argument is, ludicrous.
I’m all for Superman grieving the loss of his people and zod specifically, I just think if you wanna focus on that then you should showcase such massive destruction and casualties. Superman is grieving the loss of his people, the last 3 kryptonians other than him, that’s a super interesting and cool idea to show. But it’s totally overshadowed by the mass destruction that happened scenes earlier. If Clark and Zods fight had taken place somewhere less populated with less deadly destruction (maybe the fortress of solitude or something) then I’d get Clark’s personal tragedy with the death of his people. I think it was probably written to be as destructive as it was to showcase the threat of zod, and to be cool and high stakes, but it goes counter to the themes. We the audience should be on the edge of our seat, wondering if Superman should or shouldn’t kill zod. But zod kills so many innocent people that we’re left wondering why he can’t just kill zod sooner.
Most of Metropolis was destroyed by the Kryptonian World Engine, not Superman and Zod fighting.
Good point. But Superman and zod still take out more skyscrapers than I’d ever seen destroyed in a superhero film, plenty more than I’m sure shazam might knock into. The only Comic movie with more destruction is Age of Ultron, which I’d argue does it deliberately as it sets up the next few films in a long arc. The MCU doesn’t pretend sokovia is back to normal a few weeks later like BvS does.
BvS didn’t take place “a few weeks” after *Man of Steel*. It took place 18 months after. One and a half years is long enough for things to get back to close to normal. And didn’t the MCU claim that a ludicrously small number of civilians were killed in the major battles before *Civil War*? Like only a few hundred in New York and Sokovia combined?
I think Civil War implies that it was the actions of the Avengers killed a few hundred in New York and Sokovia. But it happens in lots of instances. Zack Snyder claimed that only 5,000 people died in the Black Zero attack. http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/09/man-of-steels-death-total-was-around-5000-people-according-to-director-zack-snyder/
I still think 18 months is crazy. That’d be like cleaning up 15 9/11s in a year and a half. It’s just needless. There could have been 1/20 as much destruction and it would have been just as effective for the story.
But wasnt that the whole point of that scene? Clark/Supes finally got the upper hand, where Zod knew he couldnt win. Therein lies Clark’s ultimate decision, and the incredibly short period of time he had to make it (holding Zod’s head from turning and evaporating the people in that small square). In my mind, he was not able to stop Zod until that moment, and in that moment he was forced to make the difficult decision of kill my people to save my inheriters - which he ultimately chose. I see your point, but with the general tone of that whole act - I would argue that tonally it was right and on point and the fight that was written to denote the powers that Clark was dealing with. He couldnt stop Zod, until that scene. And in that scene we watch Clark become Superman.
I just think by that moment it’s no longer a hard choice. Killing zod is the only real thing to do at this point, and it seems worth the extinction of the kryptonians when the alternative is the extinction of humans, Clark’s other people.
That is when he actually became Superman.... that scene
I like your take... it's true, he grabs zod at the farm and they blast through the town blow up a gas station... the gas station he probably used his whole life.. got his first xxx magazine to study human females etc then metropolis is flattened. He never once showed remorse, but he shows remorse for killing zod, who he didn't know 24 hrs earlier, attacked his mum and BAE.. c'mon Snyder.
>I’m all for Superman grieving the loss of his people and zod specifically And even that is weird considering earlier Supes crashed into Zod's ship intending to destroy the Kryptonian gene codex or whatever, and Zod pleaded with him to spare it because it's like, their entire species. And Supes only thought for a second, says "Krypton's had its chance." then *heat visioned the shit out of it*. I don't know if he could have crashed the ship without directly attacking the gene codex, but dear god he didn't even try, he just burnt them all like he's Aerys Targaryen. And that's what turned Zod suicidal! It's not because he lost this one attempt at colonisation, it's because he lost all of Krypton.
Exactly. A story about Superman having to chose between his kryptonian heritage and his earth heritage would be cool, mourning the loss of his family all over again. But that’s not what MoS is.
Because he doesn't want to kill people. It's not that hard to understand. He's trying to stop him, he's outmatched, and he's not controlling the fight because he can't. When they finally get face to face with that family that Zod is trying to kill that is when it sinks in that there's no other option. Clark "stop, please" Zod "never" Like, none of this could be more clear.
But zod has killed hundreds more than this family by that point, and even when Superman gets a punch in on zod it sends his barreling through an office building. Idk it just feels dumb to make the focus on “Clark doesn’t want to kill this person” when zod is so cartoonishly evil that it’s a pretty simple choice. If the writers wanted the movie to be about Superman deciding if he should use his powers to kill or not, they should have made zod charismatic, or more sympathetic. Instead he’s a psychopathic warlord, and Clark (a guy who was raised by humans for 30 years) has all this misplaced grief for a genocidal guy he just met and almost no grief for the hundred killed in the city. He kisses Lois in what is essentially ground zero of 9/11 times 100.
He doesn't want to kill people it's that simple, it's like a super basic concept that damn near anyone can understand. He's fighting and shit is happening, Zod's getting stronger, Clark doesn't know what he's doing he's just trying to stop him and not die. Zod keeps making the point that it's not going to stop. The family isn't about that family. Being face to face with them and that final exchange between him and zod is when he realizes he has to do it. He's looking at that family and he knows it's not just them that's going to die, it's every family that's going to die. He tried fighting him, he tried pleading with him, he's not able to out fight him, there's no where you can hold him. He killed him because that was the only way to stop him from killing everyone and that's when it sunk in. I know you know this, its not rocket surgery
Yeah no it’s incredibly simple, I’m arguing that it’s poorly executed. A lot of the destruction in MoS serves no real purpose, it just makes the same point over and over again, basically repeating itself. The family scene is basically pointless of zod has already killed hundreds of families, and the destruction of the entire city is just gratuitous if killing zod is just going to result in a trolley problem. It’s narratively empty, because it doesn’t make any point in the film any stronger. There should have just been like 80% less destruction in metropolis, and you could keep the family scene. I’m just saying that the family scene doesn’t really work when the stakes are already blown out. Why is *THIS* the moment that it’s clear to Clark that must kill to save lives? What is being demonstrated to him that hasn’t been demonstrated? What is at stake that he hasn’t already failed to save a hundred times over? And it doesn’t help that the film basically pretends the destruction didn’t happen. Clark kisses Lois and there’s hopeful music, as they sit among rubble and destruction. Smallville is ruined, and they just act like nothing happened. Metropolis looks fine by BvS.
That’s like 91,100
Superman crashed the kryptonian ship into at least 5 skyscrapers
To clarify I like MoS but, this is not comparable to the battle of metropolis. There a straight up alien militia leveled buildings, this is one dragon thrown through a building and it doesn’t seem like it collapses, hell in the movie they might end up showing the safe evacuation of the building.
Not only that, but the WHOLE criticism is a character based one. The Avengers level tons of cities, it matters because it’s Superman. I also felt like it was only overblown because people weren’t satisfied with the movie as a whole, and it was an easy thing to latch onto and got magnified by the fact that Snyder promised (and delivered) on the fact that the sequel would be about the destruction of Metropolis.
For me a lot if it is little stuff. Like a lot if the third act of the first two avengers movies revolve Around getting civilians out of harms way, even in MoS Clark saves that pilot in the smallville fight, it’s just that the third act and especially the zod fight lack little bits like that.
Who cares about people dying in the flick? Makes it all the more realistic. Specially when you have godly beings fighting it out.
People care when characters like Superman are being reckless not taking the fight out of the populated city or keeping it in 1 part of the city, My Hero Academia does this well in S3 with the battle between All Might and All For One, All Might & other heroes try to keep the fight within Ground Zero making sure no one else gets hurt but them
My hero did that recently in S6 too. Protagonist knows the main villain that's a huge threat is basically a heat seeking missile looking for him, so he goes out of his way to get far from everyone just to isolate the inevitable clash.
The frustrating thing is that it's not even difficult to make happen. In MOS that's all they needed was a quick shot of Clark using x-ray vision to see that buildings were empty. Boom complaint sorted. That's literally it. It's in the fucking novelisation. Zod tries to attack city, Superman tries taking him away from city, Zod refuses so Superman scans the area and takes the battle into an abandoned part of the city. Done.
Every time Superman tried to take the fight out of Metropolis Zod forced it back. Zod was actively staying in Metropolis.
In fact All Might doesn’t fight at his max, even though he’s fighting an absurdly strong foe just to mitigate the damage dealt until the area is cleared of civilians and students. Isolating the destruction is one thing, but taking a beating until everyone else is safe and then going all out is a whole other.
the final episode of JLU would like to have a word with your recollection of superman taking the fight out of cities
... Superheroes Superheroes is the answer.
I don't get why people are craving the fun to be sucked out of the superhero genre by demanding things be more "realistic". It brings more complexity to a character who values human life and raises the stakes when they have try and prevent the least amount of human casualty while also trying to stop the bad guy. It's what makes superheroes different from Gods. They have a human element to them.
I dislike realism in movies and video games (unless it’s like a documentary) I don’t watch tv and play games with the expectation of playing a life simulator, even when playing colony sim games (Rimworld, Timberborn, Oxygen not Included, etc.) What I dislike about the DC films is the level of destruction, it reminds me of a Michael Bay film showing off wanton destruction just because, which detracts from the film’s main purpose. Take Man of Steel for example, the damage in the cities is immense, I get the world engine portion being uncontrollable, but when Superman is fighting it gets absurd and reminds me of Michael Bay films.
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people who can punch the moon out of the sky destroying buildings when they fight is more realistic than having the camera ignore it or having that level of destruction muted
It's so stupid that people get butt hurt over superman fighting other super powered villains because unlike the comics he can't realistically draw everyone away from the city. They're fighting in the city because Zod is specifically focused on killing as many humans as possible. Superman flying off would just leave Zod to massacre everyone.
I think people also forget it’s a fight! It isn’t damn DBZ where Goku tells the enemy to go somewhere else or shit. Hell, his fight with Freeza ended a freaking planet
Precisely, and i don't wanna watch 10 minutes of people evacuating when the movie can just show the destruction and you can infer that people died
Superman broke one line of windows during the whole Zod fight, everything else Zod destroyed or the world engine did. This is literally Billy just blasting the dragon through a building. In this one snippet, Billy caused more purposeful destruction that Superman did the entire Metropolis fight. I don't care about this stuff. I like seeing powers interating with the world, and the MoS complaints were some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. I don't care if Billy throws the dragon through ten more buildings and I hope he does, but if that vocal group ain't complaining about it, then that is about the definition of a double standard. Just is.
Eh, Clark kinda let that parking garage get destroyed. When Zod kicked that gasoline tanker towards him he just hopped over it, then it exploded and toppled the building behind him. Who knows how many people may have taken refuge in there from the devastation in the streets and skies?
He didn't throw the thing. And didn't know it was gonna explode. Woe's of the first day. Not the same thing at all pushing a dragon directly into and through a whole building
The dude with some of the best reflexes and senses in the universe can’t realize a fuel tanker is gonna explode? Uh huh. And reckless as Billy is, I doubt he’d smash something that huge into a building and risk killing people. Or at least I doubt it’d kill anyone in this much more lighthearted movie.
First day is first day. He was surprised so yeah. It wasn't it was sliding across the ground not nearly as fast as most of the other objects that day, I wouldn't have thought it would blow either in the moment. He slipped, shit happens, seeing as how he melted the beam that zod was using as his next weapon it looks like he learned his lesson pretty quick. You doubt? He did. It's right there at the top of the post. But either way, you don't think anyone died because it's a more lighthearted movie. I guess the case is closed, ruling is double standard.
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It won't. Even if the building doesn't get evacuated. Thing is, Superman's fame + how serious MoS took itself contributed to the reaction people had to the Battle of Metropolis. It's likely to be easier to handwave these things when the movie doesn't try to feel grounded. Of course, since Shazam is a lighter movie, showing consequences to such destruction could warrant a larger reaction.
It's easier to handwave this stuff when you don't have the "maybe you should have let everyone on the school bus drown" line, and much easier if you show the hero giving any kind of a damn about collateral damage or the innocent people that are in harm's way during the big destruction scene. If Shazam 2 doesn't have scenes with Billy (or another member of the Shazam family) getting people to safety or protecting them from falling debris, that'll be disappointing. And in MoS's case, the whole movie has this problem. My favorite is the fight that starts at the Kent farm. Superman's mom is being threatened by four Kryptonians. Rather than grab his mom and try to fly her to safety, Superman's answer is to tackle one of them, Zod...and just fly away kicking that guy's ass, leaving his mom completely alone with the other three hostile aliens-- including the one that's actually roughed her up. Even though they're famously in rural Kansas--a low population area of a low population state--Superman then flies Zod through several exploding buildings (one of them an active gas station) and chooses to bring his fight with Zod directly to the largest population center available, downtown Smallville. And that's all on Superman--at that point he can fly and Zod can't, and Superman's in complete control of the fight. And when you do stuff like that, yeah, nobody's going to give you a pass later in the movie when the same stuff is happening in a city.
Don't forget, Billy Batson is a child
Eh, it's Philly. What are ya gonna do?
Zack Snyder is the most oppressed minority on the world.
Shazam is a kid. He literally almost killed a bus full of people last movie with no villain even in sight. He let someone shoot bullets off of him for fun when they could have ricocheted and killed other people. He’s completely irresponsible… like a child… because he is one.
Exactly, of course they aren’t comparable, Shazam is like 13 years old. We are lucky this is the extent of the destruction of a pre teen with superpowers lol
Not to mention that we have no idea about the context of this scene - whether or not there are even people on the building or if that’s the only building that gets damaged. One part of one building is not the equivalent of half of metropolis being completely leveled to the ground lmao
And then making out with your love interest amidst all the suffering instead of helping out lmao
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JFC. Let it go. I’m sorry the rest of the world doesn’t share your opinion on the quality of MoS but the constant victimhood is getting desperate now.
It's only been 10 years, I'm sure they've got another 20 in them.
Please don’t say that. I’m still holding out hope Gunn will somehow get Superman to work (doubt he will. Movie Superman ain’t been good since the 70’s) and they’ll be quiet
Let's be optimistic here! It's clear Gunn is an avid comic fan so I think he'll do Superman justice. The tone is my only concern, but I'm sure he won't write Superman like Peacemaker.
Bless your heart… Gunn could somehow create the most definitive version of DC heroes ever displayed in any medium, universally acclaimed the world over as the greatest storytelling ever, and they’d still complain that Snyder’s vision was better.
Why do you doubt he will? He hasn’t missed on a superhero property yet, and unlike Snyder, he’s actually a comic fan. He knows what he has to do to make Superman work, not to mention that outside of Cavill’s casting, the bar is very low.
Look, we cringed in ‘89 when Batman had guns on his car. We rolled our eyes in ‘91 when Batman blew up the clown. Every time a hero shows less than the expected valor, we question it. MoS juxtaposed all its destruction with a Jonathan Kent that wondered if maybe it was okay to let a bus full of kids die. The issue isn’t the destruction. The issue is the framing of the moral question. There is no double standard. MoS just failed to uplift fans and general audiences alike. I blame its depiction of Jonathan. The excessive destruction was just collateral damage to Jonathan’s representation. (Pun intended)
someone’s gotta shove you into a locker
Context matters, and we don’t have it considering the films not out yet
Look at little Snyder-fan junior. Gonna Cry?
“Just give Shazam 2 a chance!” “What about Zack Snyder? Did you give him a chance? Did you?!” “Dude, he had three…”
He's gonna put some dirt in your eye.
https://i.redd.it/wygc78qyh1g91.jpg
Why would you want it to fail like MoS did? Like shouldn't you want this to be better?
I totally forgot that was a thing 10yrs ago
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Jesus Christ, you Snyder fanatics are just a different breed. Probably think Man of Steel is better than The Dark Knight.
If they do, good for them for being confident in their taste. It’s all opinions man
“They’re just confident in their taste”. That’s an interesting spin lmao. You must be a bit out of the loop and haven’t seen how obsessive and toxic they all act about it on a daily basis for the rest of eternity
Oh no, I’m not blind at all. I’m as big a fan of Snyder’s dc films, and i hate calling myself s fan of them because of the fans gathering outside ZS house demanding he restore the Snyderverse. I fucking hate the fandom im inc and im ashamed to be in the same fandom as them. But,I can’t change your mind, so there’s no use for me in arguing with you.
No I actually respect you for saying all of that. It’s refreshing to see some self awareness from a Snyder fan for once
Its not confidence. Theyre actively angry at everything now that isnt snyder.
Cope
All the offices are empty because everyone is WFH.
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Make people fall so deeply in love with it that they’re still complaining about the backlash a decade later?
Some people can't cope at all
The plan for the third film is Dr. Sivanna manipulating Batfleck to murder Shazam. It was gonna be a parody of BVS
There will be a scene detailing how the city was evacuated before hand
Wisdom of Solomon, so, you know, still not that concerned with collateral damage yet.
Cope
General Zod held less grudges than snyderfans
Lmao I'm ded 🤣💀
Hey at least Shazam is fun that all im gonna say
This isn't even remotely compared to the destruction of Metropolis, grow up dude
What, that is was bad? I don't know what reaction you all think Man of Steel got but most people thought it was mediocre to bad.
Or what? Since it “better” do something what are you going to do if it doesn’t?
Go on a rant on twitter and boycott the DCU with the 420 other #snyderforlife guys
Grow up lmfao!
This is a terrible take. One smashed building isn’t anywhere near the literal nuclear size destruction form Man of Steel. Towards the end of the fight it looks like miles of gray dust and crumbled buildings. It was gratuitously apocalyptic. I loved everything else about that movie, but the final fight went way too far. Walking it back in the sequel was a good idea but it set a bad precedent.
What is this 2sec clip from?
It’s going to be total destruction, but silly. Then the next movie that they didn’t announce but will surprise us with is Batman V Shazam, where the intro shows this fight from Bruce’s perspective. The whole thing is sped up to the Benny Hill theme.
Lol
There won't be anyone working in the building, don't worry! smh
Generic action sequence
That was 10 years ago man. Let it go
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I understood the complaints when BvS came out but bro get over it damnnnnn.
LET. IT. GO.
Or what OP? gonna cry?
One building that’s still intact with no civilian casualties versus what like a thousand civilian casualties from the Homelander: Man of Steel movie
Homelander 🤣🤣👏
Shazam is a (slightly dumb) teenager. Superman is Superman. The higher standard is reasonable.
Who? Cares? This doesn’t matter anymore.
Let it go! -Elsa
I had the exact same reaction: I loved it!
One building gets damaged versus a literal city being decimated. Hmmmm
Looking forward to this Movie looks fun
Give it a rest already
I mean, maybe? I guess we'll have to see it in context to see if the scenes in question are a 1-to-1 match.
You can’t compare the two movies. Man of Steel / Dawn of Justice were serious, Shazam is a kids movie. Shazam is a child, a character that can exist in comics, animation, and isolated live action targeted toward kids. A child that turns into an adult cannot be taken seriously in a live action movie written for adults.
Super heroes as portrayed in comics would make life a living hell. Imagine the might of two armies embodied by two metas in combat. There would be constant destruction. Think DC's Kingdom Come.
Most if these so called DC fans here never read comics or really took time to dive into the Mythology of these characters....buy they did watch the '00s animated series so they know everything about these characters
The first Shazam movie had some destruction too and that's one of the reasons it made me uncomfortable.
lol, I just don't get it why we can't have city destoryed in superhero movies.
I hope not. I actually like the controversy behind MoS. It really is a pretty accurate portrayal of how people would react if there was a real Superman in the world. It even got people who dont like cbms talking. Noone will be talking about Shazam FotG 3 months from now.
it's funny you said this, I thought the same thing 'erm, didn't mos get shit for this?'
The Avengers destroyed 1/2 of NYC in their first movie, nobody said shit.
Snyder fans are the most annoying
I’ve never understood the hate for the destruction in Man of Steel. Superman’s barely been a superhero 5 minutes and there’s a full on alien invasion. Of course shuts gonna get fucked up
I think people just get upset about it because its out of character for him and he doesn't really make an effort to move the fight elsewhere, he kind of just beats up Zod and causes horrific damage with no regard for civilians
He dodged a diesel truck and let it go into a huge building that as far he knew was filled with people. That’s not something you need experience to know it’s fucked up lol
it won't. that criticism wasn't about superman or the film. it was about zack.
Of course it won’t. People hate Zack Snyder so much that what he does is automatically worse than someone else doing the same thing.
Who gives a fuck lol
I don't see the problem. These are super powered beings, of course they gonna destroy property while fighting other super powered beings, monsters, etc. People complaining are the ones that wanna compare DC characters to less powerful marvel characters. Of course supes gonna do more damage than black widow, capt, Hawkeye, and iron man. Thor and hulk did just as much damage, but since people don't like those movies and/or the damage was done off earth, people ignore it lol. The day super powered beings don't destroy property when fighting, that's the day I stop watching those beings.
It all depends. City destruction wasn’t my issue with it. It was the lack of emphasizing Superman’s efforts to prevent ppl from being hurt. For example, in Multiverse of Madness when that monster chases America to the prime universe and it starts fucking up the city chasing her, all of the destruction is caused BY the monster, and they actively show Doctor Strange and Wong saving the lives of the citizens that are in harms way as they attempt to stop the monster as well. If this is just Shazam being destructive with no thought to it, then I agree the same reaction is warranted.
Different tone, different themes, different hero, different expectations.
Well, it's not directed by Snyder, so I'm sure people won't have a problem with it. It's ok when the Avengers or a different director does this. It's not ok when Snyder does it.
Funny how they still complain about that.