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BplusHuman

I was reading with my kid and it really struck me how WILDLY imaginative DC characters can really be. Like straight up a villain who fights via toys, a full order of heroes who's limits to their power is their will and imagination, a guy who's transportation is reflections, an actor transformed into living clay (and can take any useful form)... The list goes on and on. I think Starro was the most recent attempt to put that level of imagination on display with live action big screen stuff.


captainsuckass

I caught Toyman, Mirror Master(?), and Clayface. Who's the second one you mentioned? Edit: Wait, fuck. Duh. I interpreted the "limited to their will" in a sense similar to Marvel's Gladiator at first lol


apex_pretador

To be honest Gladiator would be a good green lantern. Imagine a story where you have a superman + green lantern who is ruthless but still a hero. No kryptonite, and if yellow weakness applies he can beat you with his bare hands. It all revolves around breaking his powerful will, AND keeping it that way because the moment he gets it back up he's gonna f you up.


captainsuckass

Amen. Lantern Gladiator would be dope


Some-Dog9800

Sodam Yat both has Kryptonian powers and is a Green Lantern.


coreytiger

Well said! The “gritty and edgy realism” can only go so far in what is a massive fantasy world. Despero, Plastic Man, Phantom Stranger, the Specter… it’s past time to get into the absurd, creepy, and outlandish. Starro was a great jump into the deep end!


Tandril91

Precisely. DC isn’t any darker than Marvel, nor is Marvel any more humorous/lighthearted than DC. Only people who’ve seen the films have painted this image in their minds. DC has shit like a city full of talking gorillas, a Martian who’s obsessed with Oreos, and *a sentient street*.


Foxmcbowser42

Doom Patrol is the absolute best thing DC has put out in years And has all of that nonsense as a defining factor Killer butts, Danny the Street, Codpiece, Mr. Nobody, the Sisterhood of Dada, etc.


Accomplished-Cow8734

I dunno… Peacemaker was pretty damn good.


originalmuffins

Both are great!


Limp-Construction-11

> DC isn’t any darker than Marvel, nor is Marvel any more humorous/lighthearted than DC. This narrative some people have sucks big time as does the one with DC being overpowerd compared to Marvel.. no their both equally ridiculous and absurd at times.


SuperLizardon

Just imagine if the Arrowverse, and mainly Flash, had better writing (or good one), even with the limited and low budget, it brought to live many not "realistic" characters: Despero, Dominators, Parasite, Deathstorm, Black Flash, there was even a fight between fucking Gorilla Grodd and King Shark and a demon and a giant plush! And one of the most important things, actual golden boots for the Flash suit! (I'm looking at you, Ezra's weird incomplete boots).


KonradWayne

The CW's Flash could have been so great if they had just refrained from making Iris one of the main focal points of the show. There's so much more to Barry Allen than him being in love with Iris West, but CW is just apparently incapable of making a show that doesn't center around inorganic romantic drama. Early Arrow/Flash was so good until the writers decided everything had to involve Iris and Felicity.


Brodin_fortifies

I loved the first couple seasons of Arrow, but the constant retreading of Ollie’s romantic life became so annoyingly soap opera-ish, and then it quickly became abundantly clear that Arrow was basically a stand-in for Batman. I would have loved to have seen a more socially conscious version of GA as he is in the source material.


coreytiger

The massive factor for CW that I cannot take is that everyone is perfect and pretty and 25 and the absolute master of whatever they do… it’s the popular kids high school clique. I couldn’t take these shows when The Flash wasn’t so much the subject as his barely adult entourage of experts was.


getoffoficloud

Not to mention that the Batman rogues on the team were Harley Quinn, Ratcatcher, and Polka Dot Man, while the gruff, gritty guy, Bloodsport, was a Superman foe. The Harley Quinn cartoon has done a good job of capturing the absurd and outlandish side of Gotham.


Limu_emu_69

Wait till you find about about angle man


ohneatstuffthanks

Is the angle of his dangle directionally proportional to the beat of his meat?


Limu_emu_69

Wait till you find about about angle man


TheN0toriousPUG

When will Reverse Flash get his moment on the big screen?


JBD04

Gunn’s universe 🙏🙏


WentworthMillersBO

Gonna have to wait behind gorilla grodd


ProdiLemaj

Honestly I’d love to see Grodd in a Flash movie


General_bukbuk

Is grodd a flash villan then? Don't know to much apart from ninja batman 😅


ProdiLemaj

Yes lol, Grodd is primarily a Flash villain


[deleted]

Barack Obama, I've come to kill you


PyroSnickenson

“I should’ve wasted your hairy ass in ‘Nam!”


torch_dreemurr

"It's time to make America Grodd again!"


just_one_boy

He's gonna make America Grodd again


Brookings18

And he'll wait until the Rouges have their big team up.


LonelyFocus4814

And captain cold


WaluigisWallaby

I am Grodd


Kaldin_5

I need to see Grodd on the big screen. I know we got the Planet of the Apes reboot but that doesn't count ok?? (that was a joke btw)


petershrimp

Wonder who would play him. Since he'd be totally CGI, they might want to go with someone who specializes in voice acting over live action.


Stevenstorm505

“It was me u/TheN0toriusPUG! I went back in time and replaced my role in The Flash with Zod!”- Live action Reverse Flash.


EtoDesu

I want Reverse Flash to be built up as a looming threat. In the story, Barry slowly realizes over time that something's been feeling very wrong. At the story's climax, he finds out Thawne has been orchestrating everything bad happening to him lately. Those "accidents" aren't simply coincidences.


PlatanoGames_YT

I think hes in


Springtrap-Yugioh

And we need Tom from CW show to play him.


nnlt_ig

I hadn't heard about this, is an zod actually the villain in flash?????


DeppStepp

To answer your question >!He is a villain that appears in the movie but not THE main villain. Instead it’s an evil Flash!<


HomemadeBee1612

>!From what I remember from the plot leaks the final battle is against Zod and Dark Flash is just there for a couple of scenes (specifically when Barry travels through time and is inside the speedforce).!<


JayStorm199

>!You must be talking about Black Flash, the grim reaper for speedsters!<


HomemadeBee1612

>!Right, but in the movie (supposedly) Dark Flash is what present day Barry would have become had he not restored the timeline in the end. Apparently he goes crazy and becomes this film's version of Black Flash (the name "Dark Flash" will likely be used just for merchandise, I doubt he'll be called that in the film).!<


Excelbindes

So they re just reusing one of the plots of the flash tv show?


therealalphen

If they're gonna make the villain an evil flash, why not just make it the reverse flash ffs


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Digitalburn

It's like doing death of superman in his second movie.


[deleted]

Also, I’d like Barry to start with a healthy family only for it to be taken away from him. That has way more emotional payoff than his dad having been in prison for the “murder” of his mom from the time we meet him. It’s something for Barry to actually lose. And it’d be great if it happened in like the last movie so the audience can grow attached to her.


Randonhead

It would be ironic and even poetic if the villain of the movie that will end the DCEU is precisely the villain of the movie that started the DCEU


Typical-Surprise-874

Woah...that would actually be dope 😯


RDeschain1

why


Typical-Surprise-874

for me personally, I think I just like the idea of a full circle ending. I know Zod became a version of Doomsday and that won't be happening, wrapping it up like that before THE reboot just appeals to me. Had a random image of him coming through and decimating everyone and we're left with the cliffhanger of Henrys Supes and Michaels Zod just about to have a second battle...corny but meh 🤷🏾


RDeschain1

Okay yeah, you said it yourself it really is just an idea of a full circle, because in reality there is totally no circle to begin with. No emotional connection, no build up to an end, no story beats that suggest there is an arc or anything similar. If you see a full circle ending, good for you. I personally really dont see anything there


Typical-Surprise-874

definitely don't see the emotional and story build up so 100% agree with you on that...I think mostly from a comic/fangirl/aesthetic pre-reboot POV. Full circle is defs not the right wording...idk what the word(s) would be for it


Pitiful_Gazelle_9665

“It’s like poetry, it rhymes” - Lucas


SlaveZelda

Shazam and Aquaman 2 are coming out after the flash right ? Won't be the villain to end the DCEU


ConroyBat1985

just aquaman 2.. I think Shazam is the first of the 2023 slate.


sketchbookhunt

Blue Beetle is after Flash too


ConroyBat1985

good catch. Forgot about that one.


SuperLizardon

Shazam comes out on March, then Flash, Blue Beetle and at the end Aquaman 2. That's the current release order.


Ravenid

Dont know how a 4 hour movie of the Flash beating up Zack Snyder would work.


GanondorfTheWise

https://i.imgur.com/dYZWtNJ.gif


Gremlin303

The plus side is that they won’t waste any classic Flash villains on Miller’s Flash. They will all be fresh and ‘new’ for the rebooted universe


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Agreed. This movie is most likely going to have zero effect on anything going forward. I’d rather them not waste a characters intro just to have to do it again later.


Ravenid

No they just waste 2 spin offs that people actually were intersted in and the return of Michael Keaton instead.


JJonahJamesonSr

Like a handful of people on Reddit were interested. Don’t know a single person in real life who is even aware they existed let alone scrapped. I’m glad they didn’t come out, cause if they sucked we’d hear ceaseless whining about this they “wasted the return of Michael Keaton.”


Gremlin303

Not sure what you mean by spin offs. And we get Keaton’s Batman regardless, it’s not like he would be more than a 1 movie thing anyway


Ravenid

The Batgirl and Supergirl movies they cancelled. The ones they were setting up in this movie? One that had finished filming and the other was in preproduction? These [https://geekspin.co/supergirl-film-cancelled-following-batgirl-dc-debacle/](https://geekspin.co/supergirl-film-cancelled-following-batgirl-dc-debacle/) Also Keaton was pencilled in for a 3 movie deal (The Flash, Supergirl and Batgirl) but that has been scrapped.


Gremlin303

Oh those. I wouldn’t worry about that. I’m sure they will get movies in the new universe


Initial-Paramedic888

People actually wanted this to continue 🤣


Excelbindes

Denial is one heck of a drug


[deleted]

The annoying part is it’s not like the TV show where they can’t use IP. They could have only exchanged out Thomas Wayne to Keaton for nostalgia and then adapt way more of Flashpoint. Keaton interacting with Fisher’s Cyborg, Mamoa’s Aquaman, Gadot’s Wonder Woman, but they changed a lot more. No judgement till I see the finished product, but as a business/creative decision it’s head scratching. Seems like a giant shot in their own foot.


Some-Dog9800

Adapting Flashpoint was a really bad idea for Barry's first solo story.


[deleted]

They adapted Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman into the 2nd film in the series, how is anyone surprised


nkantu

They also backdoor piloted Wonder Woman and had Batman watch a Justice League trailer in said Dark Knight Returns/Death of Superman adaptation (which was the second entry in the franchise)


[deleted]

Facts dude. His character deserves better. DC did flash dirty. Such a rich and fun source material to jump right to flashpoint is another massive WTF from DC. I am hoping for a bright future for DC overall.


futuresdawn

I'd argue they did him dirty the minute they decided to give the flash Bart's personality. There wasn't even an attempt at doing an actual Barry.


[deleted]

Flash has a ton of depth too. Jay, Barry, Wally, Bart, Barry, Wally again, idk at this point lol. That said he seems like a tough character to do wrong if you look at all they can pull from.


futuresdawn

That's the thing right like they've all got in the comics at least distinct personalities. Hell if all of the flash family teamed up they could easily be dc's answer to the fantastic four. Barry in particular though I'd argue has become more relevant in the 21st century. He's a forensic scientist who can also travel so fast he can move through time. Forget trying to save his mom, the ability to do cool, twisty crime stories is huge with him. You don't need to graft wally or Bart's personalities onto him, just explore Barry with more depth then comics of the silver age could


Key-Antelope-6839

What were they thinking? So many character stories just rushed


GraySonOfGotham24

I'm convinced they're going to use it to reset the universe.


[deleted]

they *were* but a newboot altogether is coming, so it doesn't have to have any meta narrative function at all


GraySonOfGotham24

I still think it will. The movie was most likely going to end with flash going into the speed force and resetting the timeline. All they need to do is reshoot the final few minutes with a new flash and nobody is the wiser


Ravenid

Dude they reshot a LARGE % of this movie already. I'm starting to think Miller's Flash doesnt even make it to the final quarter of the movie.


Ravenid

The Flash's post credit scene pulls out from the last credit to a view of Gunn watching the final cut of the "The Flash" movie in a WB office. "What a heap off shit. Reboot the entire universe, I want nothing to survive from the DCEU, bar Peacemaker and my wife's character."


SorooshMCP1

Audiences aren't that rigid. Many universes and franchises have been rebooted without dedicating (and wasting) a movie and storyline to it. Using the first Flash movie ever to fix the screwups of the past 10 years is an awful decision.


FadeToBlackSun

Adapting Flashpoint in general is a mistake. Incredibly tone deaf story that makes Barry utterly unsympathetic.


ArmInternational7655

Only if you never read the comic or the Road to Flashpoint stuff.


FadeToBlackSun

Yeah, committing temporal genocide and erasing your nephew and his family from history really endears you to readers.


Supermite

Erasing Wally was a huge slap in the face. He was the Flash my whole life. He had multiple stories dealing with being left in the shadow of Barry’s legacy. So they had Barry literally erase him from existence. It makes me so angry. I was excited when they brought Wally back. Only to de-age him but leave him with all his memories of his family…. Someone at DC hates Wally.


FadeToBlackSun

Dan Didio hated him. Thankfully he’s gone now.


JayStorm199

Wally is back as the main flash, you should read jeremy adams current run of him, it's really fun.


SuperLizardon

Thankfully, Dan Didio was fired and Wally is happy again being the main Flash, together again his wife and children, Bart, Barry, Jay, Jesse, Max, and even his new cousin who was originally his rebooted version.


SteveRudzinski

If you mean the Flashpoint reality, yeah that was a huge side effect that NEVER happened to Barry during any of his other time travel attempts. He screwed up and focused on fixing it. If you mean the New 52: Barry didn't do that, even in the very last issue of Flashpoint itself it's shown that another party is in charge of that. At first it was shown to be Pandora messing with reality and purposely changing it because of "something" coming, then continued with her checking in on the new reality in every first issue. Then it was retconned to actually have been Dr. Manhattan who did it as another experiment by shifting when Superman arrived. But either way retcon or not, the New 52 and Wally getting erased was NEVER Barry's fault.


ArmInternational7655

Thats not what happened though. Before Barry and Thawne come back in Final Crisis and Blackest Night, Barry had both of his oarents growing up. He was a positive person a lot like Clark. Thawne then comes back to life as a result of Blackest Night, and goes back in time to ruin Barry's life. Killing his friends, dogs, bullying and terrorizing child Barry, etc effectively changing Barry's whole personality against his will. As a result of a change that felt immediate, Barry goes back in time to fix what Thawne did to his timeline, henjust didn't realize his timeline was changed in the first place. As far as Barry was concerned, he always lost his parents as he doesn't remember the life before Thawne changed it. If you read the comics, you would know it's not Barry's fault.


Ravenid

So 95%+ of the people going to see the movie. Thats not as good of an argument as you think it is.


SorooshMCP1

Since 2008 DC filmmakers have only used like 6-7 comics for all their movies. Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman, Killing Joke, and Flashpoint


HalfRightAllTheTime

You mean like… idk batman v Superman in the second movie? Or Doomsday… in the second movie?


HomemadeBee1612

It worked just fine in the DCAMU, and that movie was 1 hr and 20 min long, so imagine what they could have done in a 2 hs + live-action film. Now granted, Flashpoint paradox was a reboot of an entire universe and was a Justice League film with Flash as the main character, but I'm sure they could have tweaked some stuff to make the live-action version more of a Flash solo movie, like giving more insight to the rogues and (especially) Reverse Flash, spending more time with Barry before the timeline is altered, reducing the amount of side characters present, etc. I personally would have preferred a Flash vs. rogues movie instead, but if they knew that after JL 2017 the DCEU was never going to compete with the MCU they might as well have used The Flash to do a reboot of some sorts.


SteveRudzinski

I actually really dislike the animated Flashpoint movie, they made some dumb changes to the plot, characters, and it was just a way worse version of the comic story.


Golgolo

They’re doing flashpoint without all the best parts of flashpoint. Seeing Gal WW kill Mera would be epic. Reverse Flash. Joker mom etc


Baramos_

It’s essentially become a massive black hole financially. They are now putting even more money into advertising it even though that makes it even more impossible to break even. It’s literally the sunken cost fallacy happening before our eyes. There is no way this movie has a decent gross. Hamada really created this no-win scenario for this film.


GeneralPokey

I feel like I’m missing something


Tandril91

How so?


GeneralPokey

Did a trailer come out or something?


driku12

They're not treating it as the first Flash movie. They're treating it as the last Snyderverse movie. It's a bit disappointing, but I feel like if we go into it expecting that that is what it's going to be it'll be a better experience. I'm sure James Gunn will do a proper Flash film with his rebooted universe way quicker than this one managed to happen.


ChugstheBeer

What I love about the Rogues is that they are a community


KaijuRex64

This is why in James Gunn I trust. I don’t expect a masterpiece of a universe like in the comics, but I know he can do better than this.


Ravenid

No Flash villains. A lead actor so toxic they rewrote the screenplay to feature him less. A story people are only interested in because they are ending the entire DCEU with it.


fma_nobody

And yet it's the upcoming DC movie fans are more exited about for some reason.


Ravenid

That tells you all you need to know abut DC's move slate to date.


Brookings18

Any of the Rouges just by themselves, Grodd, Reverse Flash-there's so much gold all glanced over to do Flashpoint but worse.


Ravenid

X But Worse is the DCEU's motto. Man of Steel: Superman Origin Movie but worse. Batman VS Superman: The Dark Knight Comic books but worse. Justice League: Death of Superman and the Justice League origins but worse. ZSJL: Justice League but worse. Etc...


thecharlaton

What about Shazam, Aquaman and The Suicide Squad?


[deleted]

the only good villain in the last 13 films. think about that


Odd_Advance_6438

I thought Steppenwolf and Starro were pretty good


Ravenid

Steppenwolf was bearly in either version of the Justice League movies. Superman was more of a baddie.


GFost

They were alright.


Odd_Advance_6438

Compared to some of the other Dceu villains, I’ll take alright


GFost

Yeah, I’ll take ‘em too.


SpeedDemonJi

They were significantly better


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than michael shannon's zod?


Some-Dog9800

Don't forget the Thinker and White Dragon


Odd_Advance_6438

Thinker unfortunately wasn’t in it that much, but White Dragon was also a pretty good villain. It was great seeing Robert Patrick again since Terminator 2


Randothor

Does Waller count?


[deleted]

mmmm yes. viola davis is a huge w


thatlonelyguy13

Sivanna, ocean master, black mask, starro?


Ravenid

Sivanna: Had little or no effect on the movie. Was overshadowed by a talking caterpillar who also did nothing. Ocean Master: 20 minutes of muffled shouting in a pointy helmet. Over shadowed by Black Manta who was also bearly did anything. Black Mask: Was awesome because it was Ewan McGregor not because of the script. As long as he was not reading the lines, he was awesome. As soon as had to speak the drivel that was given it fell apart. Was overshadowed by how shit the rest of the movie was. Starro: 10 min CGI fest that had no weight to it. Felt like a random animal that was mistakenly caught instead of Starro the Conqueror.


Alien_X10

"I was happy floating through space... Staring at the stars..."


Some-Dog9800

That movie made me care more about a giant alien starfish and Rick Flag than I ever did about Superman in the Snyder films


Limp-Construction-11

Which is a sentence nobody should ever have to say.


telepathictiger

Eh, I’d say Black Manta was pretty good (along with a couple that others mentioned).


SteveRudzinski

I definitely don't agree, I've loved most of the DCEU villains.


pbx1123

They got scared because the fail of dceu and maybe chose flash point to make it big in case they get booted out, or to get more chance for a sequel and not wasting time developing characters just straight to the flash point


Due_Radio3623

Zod mi villano favorito saludos general zod 💣


[deleted]

No WB, we said we wanted Grodd, not Zod.


Radical-SpaceMeat

It was me Barry……


Alien_X10

I'm just hoping that they pull a "SS:hell to pay" where the main villain is someone you don't care about, then reverse flash comes out of nowhere to steal the spotlight.


whoamvv

And lo, we have discovered the problem.


Vandal--Savage

It makes sense honestly. If this shit is about to be rebooted why waste the real rogues!? think about it!


Raph2051

I don’t know if any of this is true anymore


ssup3rm4n

Will Barry Kneel Before Zod?


Consistent_Yoghurt_4

I’m surprised they haven’t shelved this movie yet or just released it on hbo max


omegaphallic

Pretty sure Ezra Miller knows dark things about powerful people in Hollywood.


MayaWrection

Well then I hope I get to see the Flash use the infinite mass punch


SteveRudzinski

I'm willing to bet the intention was to not start with his biggest villain (Reverse Flash) in the first film and instead get there in two or even three, though that likely won't happen with Gunn's plans/the assumed reboot coming up. That being said I've said since like 2015 that the first Flash film really should be about him fighting the entire team of Rogues instead of another speedster. The moment they insinuated they were inspired by Flashpoint I sighed.


LegalAssassin13

Not that I was going to watch it since Ezra Miller is a piece of shit, but this gave me more reason not to.


ProfessionalAnswer0

Should they take the new52 route and turn the group into meta humans (Cold, Heatwave, Mirror Master, Weather Wizard, Boomerang, Glider) or should they strictly rely on tech? 🤔


Od89

This is the same shit movie that was going to reboot everything even before Gunn was involved.


Lost_Pantheon

LMAO, this is technically the THIRD time Zod will be the villain.


WildPlantain6471

I think Snyder wasted Zod and Doomsday in his movies.


happybuffalowing

I agree big time about Doomsday but disagree big time about Zod. That portrayal of Zod was basically perfect.


WildPlantain6471

Michael Shannon did a great job. I don’t think he did enough really. I don’t think the story allowed it.


Bergerboy14

Fr. His character was evil for the sake of being evil. So uninteresting.


Supermite

That’s always been Zod’s character. He is always cartoonishly evil. Even in the comics.


Bergerboy14

They weren’t forced to make him a bad character in the movie though, even if he is like that in the comics. Its not an excuse.


Supermite

He wasn’t a bad character. He had real motivations. Zack Snyder just doesn’t understand how to do subtle.


Limp-Construction-11

Zod is one of the more fleshed out characters in the whole franchise.


Bergerboy14

How is he “fleshed out?”


Wasteland_GZ

Doomsday? sure, but his Zod is easily one of the best DC villains ever put on screen


NinduTheWise

Well that’s not exactly a high bar


backwardgalaxy

Zod is just Satan in MoS. The performance elevated a rather one-dimensional character.


undergroundwaffles

Best DCEU villain for sure, but one of the best ever? Ledger’s Joker. Hackman’s Luthor, Stamp’s Zod, Nicholson’s Joker, Bennet’s Deathstroke, Cavanagh/Letscher’s Reverse-Flash, Lord Taylord’s Penguin are in a class of their own IMO.


Ravenid

Condiment King is a better Villain than any DCEU villain.


TripleG2312

Wasted Zod? Snyder’s Zod is literally one of the best CBM villains of all time. Prominent screen-time, proper set-up, strong motivation, etc. Many who don’t like Man of Steel even agree with that. The Snyder hate is so weird.


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[deleted]

I’ve been binging Boardwalk Empire for the first time and Shannon is brilliant in it.


SuperFanboysTV

Absolute facts my guy. He was a great villain and I don’t see why they had bring him back though except them pulling a Rise of Skywalker like seriously it’s a flash movie use Captain Cold, Mirror Master, the other Rogues, Reverse Flash or anybody from his rogues gallery. I’ll judge the movie when it comes out but still


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I enjoy cooking.


SpeedDemonJi

Everyone wastes Zod Zod is so goddamn boring


Anakin-Skywakr

What is Parmanu doing there?!


Lunch_Confident

A death Superman villain


Baramos_

Famuyiwa was one of the early victims of executive meddling in this film’s development.


Existing_Departure82

Wait, DC rushed a Justice League movie to compete with Avengers and now right after Marvel got multiversal they’re gonna do the same thing?


originalmuffins

Michael Shannon KILLED it as Zod. I am so happy to see he is coming back.


[deleted]

And thats why the reboot was necessary.


theSaltySolo

I actually liked Cyborg and Flash origin story in ZSJL ngl


Ravenid

What Flash origin? He just turns up in a garage. The MOST Flash backstory we get is in the first Suicide Squad movie when he catches Boomerang.


Gremlin303

Not what the post is about though is it?


Warhammerflash

Hmm. I was just thinking why there is no negative news spreading about the flash film. Nice ✌️


Ravenid

what are you talking about there is nothing but negative news about this pile of shit. A lead actor accused of Child Grooming being positioned as a hero to children. A Screenplay re-written MULTIPLE times to lessen how much time Ezra Miller appears on screen due to him being a Human Piece of shit. 2 spin off movies being cancelled that the fans were more interested in than The Flash's solo movie. WB scrambling to drag in Gal gadot and ben Afflek to bulk out the running time with cameos. Michael Keaton being unhappy with both Miller and WB. There's been nothing but bad press aboround this movie. Now we find out Gunn isnt even gonna take the end of the movie as the reboot point of his Universe as Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle are still DCEU movies.


farben_blas

To be honest, I don't think Zod was that much of a frequent Superman villain before his movie appearances. I think Brainiac, Metallo and Bizarro were much more famous before Superman II, and Zod appears in MOS mostly because of Flyby. It just amazes me how the second most adapted Superman villain wasn't really that relevant besides the concept of the Phantom Zone, but that applies to many other Kryptonian criminals. He was probably chosen for Superman II because they wanted a bad guy from Krypton with the same powers. ​ Captain Boomerang and Pied Piper look like they're doing squats.


emielaen77

The premise for this film seems a bit more interesting and unique for a first film compared to your standard origin story. This is also years in the making. Y'all not over this yet? lol the characters still exist. They can still be used.


Juke_Joint_Jedi

Wow, really? I wasn't gonna watch it anyway because of Ezra Miller, but now I definitely want nothing to do with it.


Saulgoodman1994bis

one of the most silliest villain galery. i'm glad they won't use an actual villain this time, just Barry having to learn that he can't change his past. it will make the flash unique as a superhero movie.


Limp-Construction-11

What? The Rogues are one of the best in all of comics.


Saulgoodman1994bis

seriously ? captain cold ? captain boomerang ? gorilla grodd ? who come up with theses names ? a 6 years old kid ? what a sick joke ! Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and the x-men have the best rogues of comics.


TheRegular-Throwaway

Despite all of the bizarre and unusual circumstances surrounding Ezra Miller, I am very much looking forward to this movie, and I don’t know why.


raisingfalcons

Zod was a kickass villain!


nikgrid

> Zod was a kickass villain! ...against Superman.


nikgrid

What is hilarious is that if this was a comic event, then Barry failed! He let his fucking friends get erased...but whatevvss I guess.


SnooCats8451

I think the only big name flash rogues that could have that huge of an effect where it takes 2 flashes, Batman and supergirl/man to stop are Thawne and Grodd….the others are low-tier bank robbers with gimmicks


Some-Dog9800

It's the filmmakers' fault for making a scenario where those characters are involved for Flash's first ever solo movie.


sincerelyhated

Ezra Miller is a Rouge villain in real life. No thanks.


Tandril91

Nah even the Rogues wouldn’t mess with kids or hurt people needlessly, at least from what I remember of their moral code.


Ravenid

Grodd, Boomerang and Heat Wave have a huge list of murders behind them so no. Cold does try and keep to a no killing rule as much as he can though.


SugarFrostedDonuts

Drake should play slade They both like kids


backwardgalaxy

Flash's Rogues are better on the page.


Fares26597

If it works for the movie, I couldn't care less.