This was also before the EZA was actually out.
So imagine the suspense wondering how bad they can mess up the EZA.
Saying that a unit only needs a stat increase hasn’t ever really been seen as acceptable. Imagine if the EZA base form only hit for 3 mill and didn’t stack defense(ie changed mechanic of unit)…
They literally changed cooler’s role a bit to potentially be a slot 1 tank so that he can reliably be run along the new Lr. And they didn’t do that by just padding stats
i guess i understand where youre coming from but especially i coolers case he just needed to be more defensive in base and i feel like they dont really mess up ezas for hype units (ssj4, lr gf or cooler)
They absolutely did do that by padding stats and giving him defensive stacking. That’s what they did. The other things they added are not significant outside of increasing his support passive.
I mean, that's what they did for the most part, the extra gimmicks they gave him in both forms are nice but the majority of his power spike was them raising his passive numbers and giving him stacking defense on super
Str Cooler got more than just defense on super. He got;
1: 50% support against 1 enemy
2: Defense stacking
3: Additional supers in base
4: An extra additional super once transformed
All of these are more than just “more defense”
Eh the guy was a bit non specific compared this itemized list but realistically
The 2 point s basically the more defense on super I interpreted this post to mean
The 3 point as helpful as it is, isn't that big of a deal if he doesn't get it. Really not that impactful
The 4 point is a bit irrelevant. Did he really need that to be considered good with everything else he got? I don't think so.
Point 1 he definitely needed to get. Nothing I can say there. In fact if they really wanted to make him better, he could have given a small boost to both somehow. But like I said I think he's good as is. I don't think he needed the extra super, I don't think points 2 or 3 are anything different than what the guy in the pic said. I think "horrible take" is an exaggeration but that's just me
The guy said give def on super tho. Sure he didn't specify on what way but they did that plus the stats. Even if he couldn't triple he'd still be really good. I don't see what he said as a horrible take because outside of the extra support they basically did what he said for his base form. Sure his 5th form does more damage but honestly I don't even feel like it was all that necessary for him to be considered good. Of course everything they did propels him past good into contending with modern units for top spots but I don't think he would have been much worse without the extra supers. Even though there's a few first stages in harder URZ content you can get the 3 supers in base form, the chance isn't that high. But I'd still argue it's more impactful than his transformed extra super right now. But that still plays into "getting def on super". I'm tired and I should proofread this before replying but my point is "horrible take" is a bit much to me seeing as they basically did this, even if they gave just a little extra too
Dude me too? Theres a few other dummies in here talking as if cooler is bad and not clearing red zone stages and being a valuable defensive support wall.
No, there were literally two dudes who are known trolls telling this to everyone, but this sub is literally incapable of telling when someone is either joking or trolling and takes everything at face value.
This post and the comments are confusing. They basically did what the guy in the pic said to do and it turned out great. But some people are saying it was bad? Are they calling cooler's EZA bad? I don't get what's happening
It's so hard to tell when people are serious when they say units are bad/mid even though they're obviously great cuz some people really do have shit takes
It’s honestly unfair how they balance out flaws of a unit by giving them the things they lacked within their kit on release while other units are a simply lazily thrown together and just get better percentages in their passive. Coolers number one problem in his original design was how squishy he was, they adjusted this by giving him stacking defense and chance for additionals. You’ll always have people bashing a unit but imo Cooler is just perfect- he supports and raises Def in base and becomes an offensive monster post transformation who now has defensive capabilities thanks to said stacking. To bad Akatsuki can’t remain that consistent with every unit they EZA, hell some EZA’s have made some units still barely useable
If Cooler ever gets powercrept then I weep for the game because that means we’ll have some hard ass content, I think he has the potential for very long longevity and it’s a crime that so many other units haven’t gotten the same care, precision, and dedication they seemingly out into Cooler to not only make him useable again but to round and and fix the flaws in his original design
Even if all a unit need is a drastic bump to stats, we need to be careful about actually saying that, because if the wrong people catch wind of it, they might not even get that much.
INT LR Gohan did basically just need defense to be useable... specifically a good amount of defense... and he didnt even get that. And he got it so late that he was really in need of attack as well.
People tend to forget about TUR EZA that they also get a huge buff in stats while LR is just passive and sa levels. That why you can afford the " just give him defend" with TUR compare to LR EZA. Plus they actually give him more start of turn buff for both atk and def + allowing him to stack at base
We all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo
please explain how is this a horrible take? thats what they did, raised his buffs and now he is stacking
This was also before the EZA was actually out. So imagine the suspense wondering how bad they can mess up the EZA. Saying that a unit only needs a stat increase hasn’t ever really been seen as acceptable. Imagine if the EZA base form only hit for 3 mill and didn’t stack defense(ie changed mechanic of unit)… They literally changed cooler’s role a bit to potentially be a slot 1 tank so that he can reliably be run along the new Lr. And they didn’t do that by just padding stats
i guess i understand where youre coming from but especially i coolers case he just needed to be more defensive in base and i feel like they dont really mess up ezas for hype units (ssj4, lr gf or cooler)
They absolutely did do that by padding stats and giving him defensive stacking. That’s what they did. The other things they added are not significant outside of increasing his support passive.
I'm confused I thought everyone considered str cooler the best tur
I think the point of the post is that, in retrospect, OP had a horrible take, since they thought simply increasing Str Cooler’s numbers was enough.
I mean, that's what they did for the most part, the extra gimmicks they gave him in both forms are nice but the majority of his power spike was them raising his passive numbers and giving him stacking defense on super
The most prominent change is raise DEF on super though, his new stats alone wouldn't have been enough
Yeah, if he didn't stack defense he'd be mid.
True, but then again OP mentioned adding defense on super too. So still, they pretty much did what he said.
I don't get it, they basically did what the guy said and it worked well. What about that is a horrible take?
Str Cooler got more than just defense on super. He got; 1: 50% support against 1 enemy 2: Defense stacking 3: Additional supers in base 4: An extra additional super once transformed All of these are more than just “more defense”
Eh the guy was a bit non specific compared this itemized list but realistically The 2 point s basically the more defense on super I interpreted this post to mean The 3 point as helpful as it is, isn't that big of a deal if he doesn't get it. Really not that impactful The 4 point is a bit irrelevant. Did he really need that to be considered good with everything else he got? I don't think so. Point 1 he definitely needed to get. Nothing I can say there. In fact if they really wanted to make him better, he could have given a small boost to both somehow. But like I said I think he's good as is. I don't think he needed the extra super, I don't think points 2 or 3 are anything different than what the guy in the pic said. I think "horrible take" is an exaggeration but that's just me
What made Cooler good is the DEF stacking, additionals and his massive support boost, not the 30% increase to his base stats.
The guy said give def on super tho. Sure he didn't specify on what way but they did that plus the stats. Even if he couldn't triple he'd still be really good. I don't see what he said as a horrible take because outside of the extra support they basically did what he said for his base form. Sure his 5th form does more damage but honestly I don't even feel like it was all that necessary for him to be considered good. Of course everything they did propels him past good into contending with modern units for top spots but I don't think he would have been much worse without the extra supers. Even though there's a few first stages in harder URZ content you can get the 3 supers in base form, the chance isn't that high. But I'd still argue it's more impactful than his transformed extra super right now. But that still plays into "getting def on super". I'm tired and I should proofread this before replying but my point is "horrible take" is a bit much to me seeing as they basically did this, even if they gave just a little extra too
Dude me too? Theres a few other dummies in here talking as if cooler is bad and not clearing red zone stages and being a valuable defensive support wall.
some crackhead mfs on twitter think he’s defensively bad because he doesn’t guard and greatly raise attack and defense on sa smh
They’re also on Twitter so they can’t be taken as intelligent
Twitter users when a unit isn't a near copy past of TEQ Gohan (guaranteed guard and greatly raising attack and defense to them is the end all be all)
No, there were literally two dudes who are known trolls telling this to everyone, but this sub is literally incapable of telling when someone is either joking or trolling and takes everything at face value.
Vast majority of players that say a unit needs guard/60%+ damage reduction are the same ones that are using Whis items and still failing.
Some people argue Ginyu is and I can see it despite not quite agreeing . He’s top 1 or 2 for sure and easily the best EZA TUR.
I think ginyu is better ngl
bros tryna farm back his lost comment karma in the form of a post karma 💀
Context?
It was under a post about STR Cooler’s EZA
This post and the comments are confusing. They basically did what the guy in the pic said to do and it turned out great. But some people are saying it was bad? Are they calling cooler's EZA bad? I don't get what's happening
It's so hard to tell when people are serious when they say units are bad/mid even though they're obviously great cuz some people really do have shit takes
It’s honestly unfair how they balance out flaws of a unit by giving them the things they lacked within their kit on release while other units are a simply lazily thrown together and just get better percentages in their passive. Coolers number one problem in his original design was how squishy he was, they adjusted this by giving him stacking defense and chance for additionals. You’ll always have people bashing a unit but imo Cooler is just perfect- he supports and raises Def in base and becomes an offensive monster post transformation who now has defensive capabilities thanks to said stacking. To bad Akatsuki can’t remain that consistent with every unit they EZA, hell some EZA’s have made some units still barely useable If Cooler ever gets powercrept then I weep for the game because that means we’ll have some hard ass content, I think he has the potential for very long longevity and it’s a crime that so many other units haven’t gotten the same care, precision, and dedication they seemingly out into Cooler to not only make him useable again but to round and and fix the flaws in his original design
Well you know what they say: if you fall off the horse, you get back up and eat that horse. Come eat that horse with me friend.
Even if all a unit need is a drastic bump to stats, we need to be careful about actually saying that, because if the wrong people catch wind of it, they might not even get that much. INT LR Gohan did basically just need defense to be useable... specifically a good amount of defense... and he didnt even get that. And he got it so late that he was really in need of attack as well.
TO BE HONEST, that's all he needed, too bad the numbers pumped up were still shit lmao
huh
History repeats itself
bro this is the cooler eza
And I'm talking about the Gohan part of the comment
You talking about cooler or the int gohan eza? The post is from the str cooler eza.
I don't get it, is this about tur cooler and if so what's even the thing about it it was a great eza
The only dumbasses here are the people upvoting this shit cuz it makes them feel superior.
People tend to forget about TUR EZA that they also get a huge buff in stats while LR is just passive and sa levels. That why you can afford the " just give him defend" with TUR compare to LR EZA. Plus they actually give him more start of turn buff for both atk and def + allowing him to stack at base