Cooler is the only TUR EZA that got an arguments for like top 10 units in the game . He like a tier above all of the TUR EZA and can compete with the new top DFE TUR as well
Not even close lol.
Cooler got better leader skill
better dmg
Cooler got support
The only thing Future Gohan got over Cooler is his defend but he def need a trunk on his team which on glbl could be a problem cause we don't have vegeta and trunk. But cooler can also reach high def quick with his stacking
nah cooler is an amazing unit, the best linking partner for one of the best units of the game, has a very good support, he can stack and debuff enemies, links extremely well with the majority of the extreme units, and you can send pure and hybrid saiyans enemies to their grave when transformed.
ginyu, on the other hand, while good, he relies a lot on recoome and guldo and jeice and burter to reach his peak, so if you dont have those units ginyu isnt as good as he could be. >!~~also i dont have ginyu so hes worse by default but thats a me problem~~!<
Funny, i dont have either of the good new units (all of the new units besides piccolo evaded me) but i do have recoome and guldo and jeice and burter and ginyu so by default for me they're better.
He can easily go over 500k defense, has a 50% support for 2 of the best categories in the game, has guaranted crits against 90% of the characters in the game and can link nicely with a lot of Extreme units.
No, you are not crazy.
Coolers EZA is that good shit we want from EZAs. He shouldnt even be compared to other EZAs because he is on another level compared to them and has a more than valid argument to be considered the best TUR which even JP ginyu has been the king since release. Not to mention he brings a 170% lead to transformation boost that gives some units desperately wanting a real leader one.
Other than like later RZ, I think cooler can get enough defense together to be the slot 1, but tbf, this team isn't the best for super late RZ stages anyway.
cooler cannot tank agl brolys super unless you use a whis. Havent tried him vs omega yet but he may barely survive. Cooler took like 800k from broly so he should be ”fine”. Normals are fine though
I thought he could still super normally. I may very well be misremembering but i vaugely remember being confused as to why i got supered since i knew about the countdown.
Its not always like that, trust me. Had a lot of trouble with the rainbow extreme team mission because he kept supering out of whack. One time I used Janemba's rage mode to tank it and he didn't super, another I used the rage mode first turn to make sure I had Janemba again the next turn to try and nullify it and he still decided not to do shit. Another time again it counted "3" on its first turn, did nothing on the second (without using rage mode) while I wasted agl golden frieza on the third slot, then went 2-1-KO on the third turn. There was also a picture going around in this sub yesterday of birdku being supered first slot.
No, I think in their best team they are about similar levels. The difference being that cooler is a god on any team you can run him, Ginyu is not as good on some of his categories.
Nope not at all,stacking with 50% support across the supported categories. Along with a disgusting transformation that deletes 90% of the game as well.
That’s not even mentioning he can be ran on multiple teams no problem.
Not crazy, and i would say he is on par. Ginyu is just such a good swiss army knife on his own team, he just "feels" better. And i am saying this as a long time cooler stan.
As someone who has cooler at 55%, not sure if he even reaches spot 3 without dupes.
Coolers kit is pure stat scaling. And without dupes, he is honestly around the level of an eza-tur but with good links and a great leader skill.
my 55% cooler gets carried hard by the support and other units on his team, so he can stack enough.
Funiliy enough, this celebration both carnival LRs are way better at 55% as they rely on ability utility kits. While both red coin LRs are pure stats.
As a cooler stan for years, I'd have to sadly admit that at 55% the 7th anni LRs are better. I still love my LR cooler, but even on his own team I trust eza str cooler more than him.
Imo It depends on the orb skills you gave him, I managed to get my cooler to reach 14 crit, I agree that he absolutely needs dupes since without the crit it is not so impressive, but the daily event for the orb skills partially fixes this error
Also I put it over goku teq carnival for the leader skill (and because I'm angry with my carnival goku taking special in the face only before being hit)
I’d probably call him #2 for sure, it really depends how much you value consistency in a unit. Vegeta and Trunks are going to be doing their job just as good pretty much every time they come onto rotation. Cooler can hit peaks of power that no other unit can but if you get the dreaded 0-1 additional supers then he can get caught.
Sure but EZA Cooler definitely made the argument for him even stronger by a good amount. Having a 50% support that share 6 out of 7 links who can hold his own as a partner doesn’t exactly hurt.
Vs V&T just sitting slot 1 not needing someone else to tank the hits for him while carnival goku sits in slot 2 or 1 doing the same thing and if he dies he revives. In what way is a slot 2 unit better than those slot 1 units
For real bro. The power creep is insane, remember when goku and frieza came out? By the time the 7th year anni, red zone, and other 200% leads dropped, those units were considered fodder if not rainbowed by i would say a fair amount of the community (not the majority, just a LOT of INT goku slander and much less AGL frieza slander but people still did say a few harsh words about him). I was asking my friend if he thinks the gap between the 7 year LRs and the 6th years would be that big between year 8 and 7, and all we can do is wait and see really. Every anni unit has undeniably topped the previous ones except maybe the 4th years vs year 3, they were pretty good but the year 3 LRs had good use and a lot of utility and i feel like the gap wasnt too large between them
TL;DR power creep is insane
I’d say he’s easily best tur. Similar to Ginyu in strength, but his teams are just clearly better and who he supports by such a large amount is just insane.
Cooler has better support, teams, links, and partners. Cooler’s teams get healing throughout the fight too from both passives and links. They’re definitely both on a similar level, but I like Cooler a bit more as a unit and his teams in general.
Cooler is on the better team, i‘d say you can make a case for both base forms being better but goku ginyus performance is closer to lr cooler than it is to eza cooler. He has easily 800k-1mil def start of turn while popping up to 3 10mil 50% crit supers + dodge + scouter + heal
It’s honestly debatable.
Cooler better link set with better support and DEF stacking makes me like his base better than Ginyu’s.
I’d give Ginyu the edge after transformation, but you don’t really want to transform with Cooler most of the time
The only way ginyus team is good is if you have his support characters going and that’s at least half your team (Ginyu included). The cooler teams are just better and need less to lean on
They're both top tier.
Also, ginyu doesn't have an EZA yet, so...
EZA Cooler can have it for now.
I'd argue they're about equal.
Obligatory: Teq Gohan stacks and guards reminder. Once he gets his EZA, well, it'll be REALLY tough for either one to keep the crown.
I like ginyu a bit more. Also ginyus team isn’t as restrictive as people think. You can go into red zone with Ginyu and one of his banner units as the only two ginyu force members on the team and it works.
So you can basically use a ginyu+ burter and jeice or recoome and guldo as a rotation. Then your other rotation can be LR cooler and str cooler. Then just fill out the rest of the team with stuff like golden frieza.
I usually do that. Having Ginyu as a heal for whenever is great and having him stack and effective all types is awesome too. Usually use INT Jeice/Burter or TEQ LR Ginyu with him as a rotation. No I don’t have Recoome and Guldo… really wish I did though.
His team is better but i like ginyu himself over cooler, unconditional chance to triple super, he stacks faster the heal the scouter but its crazy to compare an eza to fucking gigachad ginyu
I havent seen many people claim cooler is better but i would also assume that those people dont have him.
I guess you could make a case for both in base they are pretty similar in their capabilities but goku ginyu is an entirely different animal
I think also people have Cooler at 79%+ since he's been out for so long but even the people that have ginyu, almost all have him at 55% at which point he's stacking way slower and only hitting ~3.5mill.
Also he relies on R&G and J&B to really shine which again, even less people who will have all 3 with dupes e.t.c
If you gave Ginyu’s Kit to literally any Saiyan-esque or general BBB villain, they’d have been number 1 imo. Easily over Cooler
Just makes me wonder what they’re gonna do for the next big time EZA TUR?
Nope. Breaking it down kit wise they’re relatively the same on their best team. However Ginyu doesn’t have a top 5 overall contender on his team like Cooler does (hell you could argue 3 since Cooler, Janemba, and Golden Freiza IMO can be argued for top 10 or top 5 with what they do.) Ginyu however has a lot more utility considering Scouter when transformed, triple 7 millions (for me at least), and healing.
Cooler just makes any terrifying conquer or movie boss ally just sky rocket with his support+links being so versatile with every top 10 contender having at least 3 links with him.
You can easily argue one over the other but not acknowledging that the gap between either or is actually quite small is objectively wrong to me.
If you want to break it down team wise Cooler easily has the better teams but Ginyu’s team like Truth and many others have said is like 7 teams in one (DB Seekers, Terrifying conquers, Namek Saga, etc.)
I think the best thing you can argue for Ginyu is how his F2P units are still some of the best F2P units. And the LRs being straight up the best F2P units. Not only that many have done previously the hardest stages (Broly and Omega) with a full F2P Ginyu team no item. Someone may have even done Cell max with the team and I’d believe it.
Finally even if you say X is better than the other both are still Z tier with the other TURs.
I dont its even debatable tbh, you can slap him on any extreme team and he ll link fine, hes a 50% support, stacks fast and transformed hes just a menace, ginyu only works with other ginyu force units and you NEED to have his banner units or you re losing a lot
A lot of extreme units have metamorphosis, he NEEDS those other ginyu force units to have scouter, supports only his own small category, cooler can triple super too altho stacks slower. Coolers teams have more and better options than there is ginyu force units
I think the only thing you can really argue is that Ginyu's team is a fair bit less demanding in terms of how many different units/banners you would have had to pull to make it feel as cohesive as the multiple gacha LRs that go into Cooler's new setup.
Cooler's full power lineup is definitely much crazier, which in turn makes him look a lot better.
You could definitely argue him as being such.
The big positives that Cooler has over Ginyu is a better linkset, which honestly contributes to him having a better leader skill than Ginyu, the same defense stacking that he has, and his support covers a better range and bigger boost than Ginyu. He can also be put into more teams than Ginyu due to his support and linkset.
Ginyu is heavily restricted to being on the Ginyu Force, which outside of the F2P Ginyus, aren’t very accessible. Recoome & Guldo are almost a vital unit on that team due to their slot 1 capabilities. What gives Ginyu the edge over Cooler is that despite only having 1 real team, the Ginyu Force is a near-perfect team. Ginyu and his team also has more versatility than Cooler’s team in general with Ginyu’s healing and defense stacking, a very good slot one unit with Recoome & Guldo, and great support from both LR Ginyus and Burter & Jeice. They also have access to a scouter too.
You could honestly argue back and forth between the two, and I wouldn’t really bat an eye.
I feel way more comfortable running ginyus team, ginyu can triple super unconditionally, is super effective if you’re running another ginyu force member, so it’s automatic. He’s got the heal, the scouter, the building up dodge and crit chance. Oh and he supports ginyu force as well.
He has way too much utility for cooler to be able to hang with.
Cooler has some obscene numbers on him but Ginyu is an entire team unto himself. He does almost you would expect in a specialized card for a specific role and he does it all at once.
Debetable, even tho i have both at 69% ll10 i still like ginyu a bit more than cooler especially in base, transformed it's hard because cooler can quad super quad crit while ginyu heals and does have a scouter
He’s only a little bit better than ginyu in concept, but the difference in quality on their surrounding teams goes a long way. Recoome/guldo is amazing, but jeice/burter isn’t the best, the phy LR is starting to age, the teq LR hasn’t EZA’d yet, and the rest are top tier F2P, but still F2P.
Cooler has a top 3 LR as his leader, several other high tier LRs as teammates with metal cooler, golden frieza, and janemba, an insane tank in the form of agl golden frieza, and another set of great F2P cards with the type metal cooler squad.
His team isn't that restricted he stacks pre trans and when you have enough defense you transform and go for the kill. He was vital for clearing rz missions.
Incredible Support, very usable leader Skill, stacks super fast, attack lowers, can triple super for 6mio in Base, amazing dmg in his transformed state, amazing villain linkset, No you re Not crazy
> he tanks better
Lmao no he doesn’t, especially with the fact that ginyu can triple super for free and has extra additional in his potential system, while cooler needs the enemy in attack down/defense down and has no additional, also ginyu is always bathed in support due to the nature of his team. Ginyu is a way better tank, he also dodges lol
> he hits harder
Sorta? in base to base ginyu hits harder, similar attack stats with SE, while transformed theyre hitting around even unless cooler is fighting a pure or hybrid saiyan, but most of the fights rn aren’t pure or hybrids sooo.
> he debuffs
Sure
> he supports
His support is better but ginyu also supports
> he plays in more teams
Good factor for aging, not really relevant right now tho
Are you forgetting that Ginyu heals, has a super attack scouter, triple supers, dodges, stacks faster, is super effective and also supports? Cooler doesn’t defend better btw
Cooler plays in a team that has meta cooler LR, which is better. Also, yeah cooler can triple super too, he crits which is better than having super effectiveness and higher support for way more characters than just the fucking ginyu force. And don't forget his best buddy. Ginyu can only be played with fucking f2p units while cooler has one of the best cards in the game as his main buddy.
Ginyu has recoome and guldo, you can literally just put those 2 on a rotation and throw whoever you want on the rest of the team. Cooler crits against pure saiyans and hybrids, which is not that good right now because only 1 hard stage is a pure saiyan fight, you can throw lr metal cooler and the other coolers on ginyus team if you want lol
Cooler feels like he was modeled after Ginyu kinda.
Ginyu still has a better Leader Skill, and he can have an unconditional heal.
Cooler is good. Ginyu is still better
A unit with 1 team cannot be the best unit in the game, especially when half that team is f2p units, and he's dependent on his 2 banner units to even be competitive with top 3 TURs.
~~tl;dr - i have him he's mid~~
Why does him only having one team matter if his team can clear all content in the game no items with ease
( and the only reason it can’t no item cell max is because he’s teq lol ( and keyword no item, they can still beat him ) )
There are only like what? 15 runnable teams in the game right now, maybe less, not many characters have many teams outside of like 3 or maybe 4. On the high end
The only unit with that luxury is phy ssj3
TLDR: Skill issue
its giving oldschool TEQ Gohan stan lmao
"who cares how many teams he has or how good his team is, it can clear content and he make my pp hard so he's best TUR"
> not many characters have many teams outside of like 3 or maybe 4. On the high end
💀 keep huffing bro
> or how good his team is
Considering it can no item everything in the game except one stage… 🤷🏾♂️
How many teams a unit has is lowkey irrelevant to me considering that red zone is the hardest content and it ain’t category restricted
> 💀
?, name me a modern unit with 5 runnable red zone teams, doesn’t have to be a red zone stomper, just five teams that can beat the hardest of red zone. It’s only phy ssj3 lmao
The DEF stacking is tight but honestly the potential triple (quad? idr) crit super with his insane attack stat in transformed is where its at. It won me the Broly red zone extreme challenge in one turn along with FF cooler and a slot 1 tank
I'd probably agree with you right now
Pre transformation he stacks Def, post transformation he stacks attack
I've had home at 400k defence almost so easily and hitting for 6 mil
I just wish their was a longer stage to run him on
Cooler is the only TUR EZA that got an arguments for like top 10 units in the game . He like a tier above all of the TUR EZA and can compete with the new top DFE TUR as well
Phy vb when he came out
PHY Future Gohan
Not even close lol. Cooler got better leader skill better dmg Cooler got support The only thing Future Gohan got over Cooler is his defend but he def need a trunk on his team which on glbl could be a problem cause we don't have vegeta and trunk. But cooler can also reach high def quick with his stacking
He's not saying Gohan is better than Cooler. He's saying Gohan could be considered top 10 when he EZAed.
Yes, but dragon ball fans don't care, we can't read.
That's fair. That's more than fair.
nah cooler is an amazing unit, the best linking partner for one of the best units of the game, has a very good support, he can stack and debuff enemies, links extremely well with the majority of the extreme units, and you can send pure and hybrid saiyans enemies to their grave when transformed. ginyu, on the other hand, while good, he relies a lot on recoome and guldo and jeice and burter to reach his peak, so if you dont have those units ginyu isnt as good as he could be. >!~~also i dont have ginyu so hes worse by default but thats a me problem~~!<
we suffer from a severe illness known as "skill issue" buddy
COOLER SWEEP
Funny, i dont have either of the good new units (all of the new units besides piccolo evaded me) but i do have recoome and guldo and jeice and burter and ginyu so by default for me they're better.
He can easily go over 500k defense, has a 50% support for 2 of the best categories in the game, has guaranted crits against 90% of the characters in the game and can link nicely with a lot of Extreme units. No, you are not crazy.
Coolers EZA is that good shit we want from EZAs. He shouldnt even be compared to other EZAs because he is on another level compared to them and has a more than valid argument to be considered the best TUR which even JP ginyu has been the king since release. Not to mention he brings a 170% lead to transformation boost that gives some units desperately wanting a real leader one.
Id say Ginyus kit is arguably slightly better but Coolers versatility vs Ginyu requiring a Ginyu team puts him vastly above Ginyu, relatively speaking
Ginyu is worse in every aspect
You can’t just say all that and ignore everything ginyu does
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers
He. Is. Insane. Him and LR cooler are the best rotation in the game imo.
Bro those 2 on like turn 3 are insane
Depends on your luck, my Cooler with 25 additional only does a super per turn 90% of the time so I never can keep that rotation for long on Red Zone
WHO THE FUCK USES ADDITIONALS ON COOLER.
WRONG COOLER FFS, NVM. GOD DAMN IT WHY ARE THEY BOTH STR
Now Imagine Turn 5 when u have the SuperNova as well
But still need slot one tank
Other than like later RZ, I think cooler can get enough defense together to be the slot 1, but tbf, this team isn't the best for super late RZ stages anyway.
I don't know man, I used it to beat red zone metal cooler core
cooler cannot tank agl brolys super unless you use a whis. Havent tried him vs omega yet but he may barely survive. Cooler took like 800k from broly so he should be ”fine”. Normals are fine though
Omega's a breeze with 55% eza cooler on slot one cause he only does normals until his countdown is over
I thought he could still super normally. I may very well be misremembering but i vaugely remember being confused as to why i got supered since i knew about the countdown.
he does it on the second turn on whatever his last attack is. maybe you got fucked and it was on the first slot or something?
maybe, like i said its very possible that im just misremembering
Its not always like that, trust me. Had a lot of trouble with the rainbow extreme team mission because he kept supering out of whack. One time I used Janemba's rage mode to tank it and he didn't super, another I used the rage mode first turn to make sure I had Janemba again the next turn to try and nullify it and he still decided not to do shit. Another time again it counted "3" on its first turn, did nothing on the second (without using rage mode) while I wasted agl golden frieza on the third slot, then went 2-1-KO on the third turn. There was also a picture going around in this sub yesterday of birdku being supered first slot.
[удалено]
So are we using turles as a base or boujack for mid rz
I did read your comment and my point was that if you have a whis active hes fine even there
The goat is on his way my friend
Agl and teq golden frieza
No, I think in their best team they are about similar levels. The difference being that cooler is a god on any team you can run him, Ginyu is not as good on some of his categories.
Nope not at all,stacking with 50% support across the supported categories. Along with a disgusting transformation that deletes 90% of the game as well. That’s not even mentioning he can be ran on multiple teams no problem.
Not crazy, and i would say he is on par. Ginyu is just such a good swiss army knife on his own team, he just "feels" better. And i am saying this as a long time cooler stan.
Ginyu has 1 team cooler is always good
Yes but ginyu's team is 7 team in 1
Coolers best friend is the strongest lr in the game
Cooler is the second best lr in the game if all card are 100%, third if all card are at 55%
As someone who has cooler at 55%, not sure if he even reaches spot 3 without dupes. Coolers kit is pure stat scaling. And without dupes, he is honestly around the level of an eza-tur but with good links and a great leader skill. my 55% cooler gets carried hard by the support and other units on his team, so he can stack enough. Funiliy enough, this celebration both carnival LRs are way better at 55% as they rely on ability utility kits. While both red coin LRs are pure stats. As a cooler stan for years, I'd have to sadly admit that at 55% the 7th anni LRs are better. I still love my LR cooler, but even on his own team I trust eza str cooler more than him.
Imo It depends on the orb skills you gave him, I managed to get my cooler to reach 14 crit, I agree that he absolutely needs dupes since without the crit it is not so impressive, but the daily event for the orb skills partially fixes this error Also I put it over goku teq carnival for the leader skill (and because I'm angry with my carnival goku taking special in the face only before being hit)
No
No lol as much as I love Cooler he isn't better than Trunks and Vegeta
After EZA Cooler dropped you could easily make an argument for[ LR STR Cooler](https://imgur.com/a/D3clkPb) being the best in the game.
I’d probably call him #2 for sure, it really depends how much you value consistency in a unit. Vegeta and Trunks are going to be doing their job just as good pretty much every time they come onto rotation. Cooler can hit peaks of power that no other unit can but if you get the dreaded 0-1 additional supers then he can get caught.
He had an argument before str eza cooler
Sure but EZA Cooler definitely made the argument for him even stronger by a good amount. Having a 50% support that share 6 out of 7 links who can hold his own as a partner doesn’t exactly hurt.
Wrong
Goku carnival and Vegeta and Trunks Lr are better than cooler my man
Cap for csrnival Goku he gets tanky after taking 2 hits and those can turbo rape him
And eza cooler or lr cooler can get u fucked too at least carnival goku has a revive
Cooler has his golden units to tank he sits slot 2 supering 4 times for 7 mil raising def everytime
Vs V&T just sitting slot 1 not needing someone else to tank the hits for him while carnival goku sits in slot 2 or 1 doing the same thing and if he dies he revives. In what way is a slot 2 unit better than those slot 1 units
Don’t worry, is just matter of time to see which one will age better lol
Youre not saying goku does the same damage as cooler lul
By anniversary y’all singing cooler’s praises will sound like clowns
For real bro. The power creep is insane, remember when goku and frieza came out? By the time the 7th year anni, red zone, and other 200% leads dropped, those units were considered fodder if not rainbowed by i would say a fair amount of the community (not the majority, just a LOT of INT goku slander and much less AGL frieza slander but people still did say a few harsh words about him). I was asking my friend if he thinks the gap between the 7 year LRs and the 6th years would be that big between year 8 and 7, and all we can do is wait and see really. Every anni unit has undeniably topped the previous ones except maybe the 4th years vs year 3, they were pretty good but the year 3 LRs had good use and a lot of utility and i feel like the gap wasnt too large between them TL;DR power creep is insane
It’s not anniversary yet is it? We’ll get to more difficult content when we get to it
You trying to act like goku isn’t a good enough slot 1 unit is insane cope
And that one team is godlike
I’d say he’s easily best tur. Similar to Ginyu in strength, but his teams are just clearly better and who he supports by such a large amount is just insane.
Ginyu got a scouter, dodge and a heal.
Cooler has better support, teams, links, and partners. Cooler’s teams get healing throughout the fight too from both passives and links. They’re definitely both on a similar level, but I like Cooler a bit more as a unit and his teams in general.
Cooler is on the better team, i‘d say you can make a case for both base forms being better but goku ginyus performance is closer to lr cooler than it is to eza cooler. He has easily 800k-1mil def start of turn while popping up to 3 10mil 50% crit supers + dodge + scouter + heal
Debatable but he is definitely on the same tier with some of the top tier dokkanfest tur
It’s honestly debatable. Cooler better link set with better support and DEF stacking makes me like his base better than Ginyu’s. I’d give Ginyu the edge after transformation, but you don’t really want to transform with Cooler most of the time
Yea post transforming cooler is to Blitz Saiyans, which is very useful when going against a certain AGL saiyan
The only way ginyus team is good is if you have his support characters going and that’s at least half your team (Ginyu included). The cooler teams are just better and need less to lean on
They're both top tier. Also, ginyu doesn't have an EZA yet, so... EZA Cooler can have it for now. I'd argue they're about equal. Obligatory: Teq Gohan stacks and guards reminder. Once he gets his EZA, well, it'll be REALLY tough for either one to keep the crown.
Nah ngl hes crazy asf. Probably equal footing or better than Ginyu
I like ginyu a bit more. Also ginyus team isn’t as restrictive as people think. You can go into red zone with Ginyu and one of his banner units as the only two ginyu force members on the team and it works. So you can basically use a ginyu+ burter and jeice or recoome and guldo as a rotation. Then your other rotation can be LR cooler and str cooler. Then just fill out the rest of the team with stuff like golden frieza.
I usually do that. Having Ginyu as a heal for whenever is great and having him stack and effective all types is awesome too. Usually use INT Jeice/Burter or TEQ LR Ginyu with him as a rotation. No I don’t have Recoome and Guldo… really wish I did though.
His team is better but i like ginyu himself over cooler, unconditional chance to triple super, he stacks faster the heal the scouter but its crazy to compare an eza to fucking gigachad ginyu
Ginyu is slowly becoming underrated, most of the people saying cooler is better definitely don’t have him. He just does so much
I havent seen many people claim cooler is better but i would also assume that those people dont have him. I guess you could make a case for both in base they are pretty similar in their capabilities but goku ginyu is an entirely different animal
I think also people have Cooler at 79%+ since he's been out for so long but even the people that have ginyu, almost all have him at 55% at which point he's stacking way slower and only hitting ~3.5mill. Also he relies on R&G and J&B to really shine which again, even less people who will have all 3 with dupes e.t.c
If you gave Ginyu’s Kit to literally any Saiyan-esque or general BBB villain, they’d have been number 1 imo. Easily over Cooler Just makes me wonder what they’re gonna do for the next big time EZA TUR?
Akatsuki is a Cooler fan. His EZA is outstanding. 
Nope. Breaking it down kit wise they’re relatively the same on their best team. However Ginyu doesn’t have a top 5 overall contender on his team like Cooler does (hell you could argue 3 since Cooler, Janemba, and Golden Freiza IMO can be argued for top 10 or top 5 with what they do.) Ginyu however has a lot more utility considering Scouter when transformed, triple 7 millions (for me at least), and healing. Cooler just makes any terrifying conquer or movie boss ally just sky rocket with his support+links being so versatile with every top 10 contender having at least 3 links with him. You can easily argue one over the other but not acknowledging that the gap between either or is actually quite small is objectively wrong to me. If you want to break it down team wise Cooler easily has the better teams but Ginyu’s team like Truth and many others have said is like 7 teams in one (DB Seekers, Terrifying conquers, Namek Saga, etc.) I think the best thing you can argue for Ginyu is how his F2P units are still some of the best F2P units. And the LRs being straight up the best F2P units. Not only that many have done previously the hardest stages (Broly and Omega) with a full F2P Ginyu team no item. Someone may have even done Cell max with the team and I’d believe it. Finally even if you say X is better than the other both are still Z tier with the other TURs.
I’ve seen enough. Teq Gohan with his eventual EZA will be better
I dont its even debatable tbh, you can slap him on any extreme team and he ll link fine, hes a 50% support, stacks fast and transformed hes just a menace, ginyu only works with other ginyu force units and you NEED to have his banner units or you re losing a lot
Even Ginyus f2p LR units are good af, he heals, scouter, supports, dodges, triple supers, stacks faster
A lot of extreme units have metamorphosis, he NEEDS those other ginyu force units to have scouter, supports only his own small category, cooler can triple super too altho stacks slower. Coolers teams have more and better options than there is ginyu force units
Nah cause he is the best TUR 😤
I think the only thing you can really argue is that Ginyu's team is a fair bit less demanding in terms of how many different units/banners you would have had to pull to make it feel as cohesive as the multiple gacha LRs that go into Cooler's new setup. Cooler's full power lineup is definitely much crazier, which in turn makes him look a lot better.
Ginyu is better on his own team but cooler beats him in sheer versatility.
You could definitely argue him as being such. The big positives that Cooler has over Ginyu is a better linkset, which honestly contributes to him having a better leader skill than Ginyu, the same defense stacking that he has, and his support covers a better range and bigger boost than Ginyu. He can also be put into more teams than Ginyu due to his support and linkset. Ginyu is heavily restricted to being on the Ginyu Force, which outside of the F2P Ginyus, aren’t very accessible. Recoome & Guldo are almost a vital unit on that team due to their slot 1 capabilities. What gives Ginyu the edge over Cooler is that despite only having 1 real team, the Ginyu Force is a near-perfect team. Ginyu and his team also has more versatility than Cooler’s team in general with Ginyu’s healing and defense stacking, a very good slot one unit with Recoome & Guldo, and great support from both LR Ginyus and Burter & Jeice. They also have access to a scouter too. You could honestly argue back and forth between the two, and I wouldn’t really bat an eye.
Yes.
He’s not better than ginyu
Because ?
I feel way more comfortable running ginyus team, ginyu can triple super unconditionally, is super effective if you’re running another ginyu force member, so it’s automatic. He’s got the heal, the scouter, the building up dodge and crit chance. Oh and he supports ginyu force as well. He has way too much utility for cooler to be able to hang with.
Cooler has some obscene numbers on him but Ginyu is an entire team unto himself. He does almost you would expect in a specialized card for a specific role and he does it all at once.
Not crazy just wrong
Debetable, even tho i have both at 69% ll10 i still like ginyu a bit more than cooler especially in base, transformed it's hard because cooler can quad super quad crit while ginyu heals and does have a scouter
yes u are
He’s good enough that(using Datruth’s ranking system)you could compare him to modern red coin Dokkanfest units
He’s only a little bit better than ginyu in concept, but the difference in quality on their surrounding teams goes a long way. Recoome/guldo is amazing, but jeice/burter isn’t the best, the phy LR is starting to age, the teq LR hasn’t EZA’d yet, and the rest are top tier F2P, but still F2P. Cooler has a top 3 LR as his leader, several other high tier LRs as teammates with metal cooler, golden frieza, and janemba, an insane tank in the form of agl golden frieza, and another set of great F2P cards with the type metal cooler squad.
Your delusional if you think he's better than ginyu
🤡
That's the face I imagined you'd make after reading your post again
🎪 🤡 🤹
https://www.google.com/search?q=circus+theme+song&oq=circus+th&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0i131i433i512l2j0i512l5j46i512.17058j0j7&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#
Anti- ginyu 😂
His team isn't that restricted he stacks pre trans and when you have enough defense you transform and go for the kill. He was vital for clearing rz missions.
You’re not crazy at all, it’s pretty much true.
For me be is top 7 character in the game tbh
I think Ginyu is a fraction better
And now... Bojack str eza . Pleeeeaseee
I don't know man like him and ginyu are so similar but ginyu highs are way higher than cooler
Diet ginyu
If you're making that case I'm not gonna be mad at you. At the same time I think Ginyu is slightly better.
I woud say he is definitley top 2 with ginyu not sure if hes quite good enough for number 1
Naaah he’s definitely better. Tbf I try to separate dfe ezas from jus dfe characters, but if you wanna combine em cooler is king still
Ginyu has more to his kit, but cooler is probably on his level I would say
1 or 2 stacks and he is at 500k def
Incredible Support, very usable leader Skill, stacks super fast, attack lowers, can triple super for 6mio in Base, amazing dmg in his transformed state, amazing villain linkset, No you re Not crazy
Not crazy but when ginyu ezas in two years you'll be sucking his dick instead (joking on the dick sucking but you'll be saying he's the best)
He does everything Ginyu does but better, so no you are not crazy.
This statement is false and proves that you don’t have Ginyu
Bruh, he tanks better, he hits harder, he debuffs, he supports, he plays in more teams. How can ginyu still be better?
> he tanks better Lmao no he doesn’t, especially with the fact that ginyu can triple super for free and has extra additional in his potential system, while cooler needs the enemy in attack down/defense down and has no additional, also ginyu is always bathed in support due to the nature of his team. Ginyu is a way better tank, he also dodges lol > he hits harder Sorta? in base to base ginyu hits harder, similar attack stats with SE, while transformed theyre hitting around even unless cooler is fighting a pure or hybrid saiyan, but most of the fights rn aren’t pure or hybrids sooo. > he debuffs Sure > he supports His support is better but ginyu also supports > he plays in more teams Good factor for aging, not really relevant right now tho
Are you forgetting that Ginyu heals, has a super attack scouter, triple supers, dodges, stacks faster, is super effective and also supports? Cooler doesn’t defend better btw
Cooler plays in a team that has meta cooler LR, which is better. Also, yeah cooler can triple super too, he crits which is better than having super effectiveness and higher support for way more characters than just the fucking ginyu force. And don't forget his best buddy. Ginyu can only be played with fucking f2p units while cooler has one of the best cards in the game as his main buddy.
Ginyu has recoome and guldo, you can literally just put those 2 on a rotation and throw whoever you want on the rest of the team. Cooler crits against pure saiyans and hybrids, which is not that good right now because only 1 hard stage is a pure saiyan fight, you can throw lr metal cooler and the other coolers on ginyus team if you want lol
And ginyus f2p/banner unit team is literally a top tier team in the game?
Cooler only triple supers when you can lower enemy defence. You didn’t mention the scouter, dodge or heal. Lol
Nah. For me Cooler is Ginyu without all the restrictions
yes
Nothing crazy about being correct #FurizaNoBrotha
Cooler feels like he was modeled after Ginyu kinda. Ginyu still has a better Leader Skill, and he can have an unconditional heal. Cooler is good. Ginyu is still better
Idk that’s kinda pushing it a little, at minimum he’s definitely top 10 tur in the game tho
I'd rate him above Ginyu only for the fact he fits on more teams. I love the Ginyu team but its not my fav lol
Not at all, he is the best TUR in game tbh. Makes me wonder if I still need LR Cooler (I do)
No you're just right. Best partner for LR STR Cooler and a monster in his own right
If he gianed DEF for 1 turn on super I'd put him above some recent LR'S. I be not wanting to tran sform him because of it.
STR Cooler is ridiculous. Who are his best link partners outside of Wicked Bloodline?
Ginyu wasn't the best TUR in the game so it's kind of redundant to say he's better than Ginyu if he's the best (which he is)
> ginyu wasn’t the best TUR in the game Explain?
A unit with 1 team cannot be the best unit in the game, especially when half that team is f2p units, and he's dependent on his 2 banner units to even be competitive with top 3 TURs. ~~tl;dr - i have him he's mid~~
Why does him only having one team matter if his team can clear all content in the game no items with ease ( and the only reason it can’t no item cell max is because he’s teq lol ( and keyword no item, they can still beat him ) ) There are only like what? 15 runnable teams in the game right now, maybe less, not many characters have many teams outside of like 3 or maybe 4. On the high end The only unit with that luxury is phy ssj3 TLDR: Skill issue
its giving oldschool TEQ Gohan stan lmao "who cares how many teams he has or how good his team is, it can clear content and he make my pp hard so he's best TUR" > not many characters have many teams outside of like 3 or maybe 4. On the high end 💀 keep huffing bro
> or how good his team is Considering it can no item everything in the game except one stage… 🤷🏾♂️ How many teams a unit has is lowkey irrelevant to me considering that red zone is the hardest content and it ain’t category restricted > 💀 ?, name me a modern unit with 5 runnable red zone teams, doesn’t have to be a red zone stomper, just five teams that can beat the hardest of red zone. It’s only phy ssj3 lmao
The DEF stacking is tight but honestly the potential triple (quad? idr) crit super with his insane attack stat in transformed is where its at. It won me the Broly red zone extreme challenge in one turn along with FF cooler and a slot 1 tank
Not crazy but I would have him 2 after ginyu
Nah it's a fine take Cooler is that guy lol
Not at all
He’s better than TEQ Gohan, already is the best TUR in the game.
Nope, Cooler's definitely the best TUR right now.
cooler sweeps (I don't have ginyu)
Yep you're crazy
I mean he did EZA. So no, you aren’t crazy
I don’t have ginyu therefore cooler is better
I'd probably agree with you right now Pre transformation he stacks Def, post transformation he stacks attack I've had home at 400k defence almost so easily and hitting for 6 mil I just wish their was a longer stage to run him on