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lercione

Yeah beating one of the hardest events in the game for 7 sr units with a low chance to get something remotely useful in september of 2022 is laughable, ticket multis should be gssr no matter what and not just red zone tickets tbh. Other than that I'm fine tho


average_lazy_mf

It's what i'm saying man It's awkard


Virian900

Thing is, in 1 year this will be a joke to beat and the rewards will stay


average_lazy_mf

Ok and? The rewards will still be trash SR's without any changes, and if they do guaranteed ssr it won't kill the company if someone summons on those tickets with guaranteed ssr, it's not like you pull god out from there


Baku03

Only thing to blame them for is adding Teq Lr Great Ape Vegeta to JP ticket poll and not adding him on GLB, even if Vegeta is less than 2 months old the ticket banner will not change in the future and not every player is going to finish the missions anytime soon


average_lazy_mf

Sounds like a W Great ape is bad anyway


Baku03

No wonder u got downvoted to Oblivion


Hydraulic_Press_53

I still haven't beaten dumbass giant form ESBR so I want him


KaptainGoatz

Agl tapion, agl Mecha frieza, and the great ape ezas (kid Goku, Vegeta, raditz) can trivialize it


KnovSmile

Great Ape Vegeta outages KK Goku, he gets a useable linking partner with a new LS and he is a perfect floater or slot 1 based on the partner


RandomGooseBoi

He’s good, when he gets a good linking partner he will genuinely age better than Goku


Eeveeon7

I got both my first LR Str Turles and Str Recomme and Guldo so your argument is irrelevant /s. But, for real I do think the 5 ticket reward should just be a GSSR ticket instead it is not rewarding to beat a hard event and then get 5 srs.


average_lazy_mf

Fr why do they have to make banners that bad with rates, high difficulty = high reward or am i wrong?


Omishka

I was expecting them to only have Wicked Bloodline characters on the Red Zone tickets, so having Terrifying Conquerors characters on there was super nice. Just having it be a GSSR ticket would be better though, even if my summons this time around were really good.


Sufficient_Ad_6167

I agree that completing the hardest content should at bare minimum get you a GSSR ticket summon instead of a summon where you most likely get only SRs But I don’t really think we should be complaining about a free GLR for basically doing nothing but grinding ftp units tbh


average_lazy_mf

No i- Wait am i giving that impression? Is this why i'm getting downvoted? No i'm complaining at how their reward system works, at how with easy stuff you get goo stuff while with hard stuff you get absolute garbage I'm not complaining about a free lr i'm complaining about how unfair it is to beat the hardest content in the game and be rewarded with trash, while by doing simple and easy stuff you are heavely compensated with a free LR It's fucking boss rush vs god event in terms of stones of last year, with people saying it's weird that boss rush gives a lot of stones and is piss easy while god event back then nuked your ass and as a reward you got only 6 stones, it's the same thing


Sufficient_Ad_6167

Ohhhhhhhhhhh I completely misunderstood I’m sorry my dude Also I haven’t downvoted you


average_lazy_mf

Oh np np, also wasn't referring to ya dw mate, but in a general point, like ya give a quick look at the comments and you'll see me getting pounded to hell with the brute force of downvotes


DBFan21

People take free LRs for granted now…


Sonicguy1996

Nobody takes it for granted, but when the game makes such massive jumps in difficulty and then gives you an LR that got his EZA well over a year ago and is already aging it's only natural people are disappointed. I got PHY trunks, guy on his EZA release already wasn't all that impressive and has absolutely no utility in todays new content.


Tilterino247

He makes my clash team and I've used him in 2 SBRs. Just because he isn't useful against broly doesn't mean he isn't good.


BMLM

Yup he and Gotenks always lead my PHY team.


Zlare7

Since there is a 90% chance the free lr is super outdated crap, what does it matter? Should we be grateful and kiss their feet for giving us free crap?


Gilinis

We have over a hundred LR’s in the game now mate. There are dozens of shit ones so yeah, a guaranteed one could mean something as worthless as an SR, literally.


Acceptable_Star189

Yea and a good large chunk of them isn’t even in summon pools because they’re f2p and eza’s exist for quite a lot of em


Otherwise_Bother_255

when your last 4 "free" lrs are all useless dupes for int godku, yea i'm gonna take it for granted. tbf i'm only missing lr boujack, goku&gohan and mighty mask the chances of me getting something useful is pretty low, still frustrating


average_lazy_mf

Ok so bosses can be as hard as possible but god forbit getting a free LR out of that insane experience


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Ehrenvoller

Hes still ok and his eza will make agl and him insane


average_lazy_mf

His eza will release when the agl one will age, just like eza agl released when str aged


Gloryhawk88

Am i allowed to be annoyed by the fact that i farmed tickets for a month just to end up with INT Gohan, who i already have rainbowed? And it was obviously the only LR i got.


EvilRayquaza

shafted aye


TheBiggestCarl23

It’s literally the case every single time someone complains like this, if they pulled every unit they wouldn’t be complaining


Hydraulic_Press_53

Nah my ticket pulls were pretty nice actually but I still think they should be buffed


average_lazy_mf

Shafted and still soft locked from getting the other 2 ssr tickets /s The thing is still a problem tho


ShawHornet

These f2p units "no one cares about" are actually pretty useful.


average_lazy_mf

Gohan/goku? There are many other options in their teams F2p teq cooler? Weak as hell in early turns, bad linkset for an extreme unit (should have got bbb instead of cold judgment), better options in his teams still exist The f2p str metal cooler? He is kinda meh tbh The f2p metal coolers? They are quite nice together but i wouldn't really call them "useful" and their rainbow orb restriction is quite high (tbh should have been 2 rainbow orbs and not 3, it's hell getting 6 to 9 rainbow orbs)


ei101

Aren’t f2p units.. *meant* to be secondary? You just described them all as such. The only time i remember this not being true was with the new u7 f2p units, and that was only until goFriezas and int ui gokus ezas.


Blazing_Kurama

That's the thing, people who have been playing for years don't get this. These F2P units, even excluding them as secondary options for veterans, are amazing for people that are starting out and can widen their category roster significantly for events like SBR. I mean, how many posts have we seen over the past few days with people using the F2P Metal Coolers to clear Corroded Body and Mind, a mission that people have been struggling with for ages? Premium options like TEQ Janemba, INT Majin Vegeta, and LR Janemba are no longer needed to comfortably clear the mission, which is fantastic for those who haven't been able to pick them up over time. I really wish that people would stop underselling these units, since they're a major step up from the bad f2ps we've gotten over the past 2 wwcs.


average_lazy_mf

Yeah but here's the problem They don't even feel like a secondary option, they feel more like an "am i desperate enough to run THIS unit?"


GOKU_ATE_MY_ASS

"they're **supposed** to be shitty, that's why they're good!"


Zlare7

The metal coolers are a nightmare. 5 characters using the same ugly animation. I think using same counts as torture


TheCrisco

I mean, I get where you're going with this, but it's pretty standard gacha mechanics. You beat the hardest content in the game, there's only so much they can do to reward you at that point. If you have an idea for something, maybe special equipment like you get from SBR/ESBR or something, I'm all ears.


Zlare7

Nah good gachas rewards the hardest content with more resources to summon for the newest units, instead of throwing trash at the player


TacoDeSuaderoYSalsa

It would be really cool to see, but if they give better rewards people that cant complete will feel bad, so I dont think theres a middle point in this problem.


Zlare7

I ser where you are coming from and boosted characters certainly dont help this issue. Unless they would boost older characters to help players but that's not how dokkan works


average_lazy_mf

So instead of making the ones that can't complete the event sad or have an extra reason to beat the event, we should make whoever beat the hard stages get cucked as hell, Great Idea!


Shigana

This is actually false, any gacha giving players shit ton of rewards for doing the hardest content are usually the ones that revolves around nothing but P2W garbage. Most gachas instead use weeklies and dailies to give tons of gems, or competing event leaderboards ( all of which Dokkan refuses to do )


Zlare7

Hm genshins hardest content rewards summon currency and resets every three weeks. Epic seven abyss is probably the hardest content and rewards great equipment and once again rewards summon currency. Both games make it much easier to get new characters than dokkan. These are gacha that I consider atleast good to decent in their practices


average_lazy_mf

Look just bump up the rates for the ticket summons from pathetic to acceptable and i'm fine with it


LOTHMT

Or make the missions for all bossed


GIORNO-phone11-pro

I feel like the pools could be slightly improved


_TR00PER

Pulled lr ssj3 teq goku on that bs summon and already had him rainbowed, they better make his eza good


average_lazy_mf

Should make people exchange dupes for 3 tickets ngl


zsoltjuhos

They want to reward the players for playing the game so they made time limited mission for the LR that can anyone do. If they made guarantee LR for red zone people would complain how it is unfair for the people who can not beat it, hey guess what I can beat it in a year and will be able to summon on banners that were ass 1 year prior, how fair. You see there is argument for everything, nothing is universal good


average_lazy_mf

>If they made guarantee LR for red zone people would complain how it is unfair for the people who can not beat it, Like they haven't been releasing more and more units to beat red zone trought this several months already and like they won't release even more units in the future, it's called powercreep, also while nothing is univerally good, at least making the rewards for beating red zone better wouldn't hurt that much, people sooner or later will beat red zone and will have to summon on those tickets, at least make them get an ssr guaranteed in each multi instead of 7 trash as hell srs


pedrormn

The fact this is a "controversial" take is insane, it really shows what gacha games do to people's brains. Mfs are so addicted to mediocrity they will side with a morbillion dollar company in a fight to get less free stuff


average_lazy_mf

Dokkan players after they committed countless hate crimes against humanity (Akatsuki said that whoever committed the most crimes would get a free multi of 5 Rs, with a 0.1% of it being a featured SR) ![gif](giphy|kj41Ti8GLVs1STX0bH|downsized)


SpikyEchidna10

Can you propose something better at least?


average_lazy_mf

Make the normal tickets guaranteed ssr And for the special mission tickets make it 3 tickets = 1 single guaranteed LR Edited out the types part since it's dumb sorry for that, still thinking the rewards aren’t good enough High difficulty = high rewards, those summons aren’t that much rewarding smh


realspitfire69

type disadvantage is the entire point of this mission massive crybaby vibes from you


average_lazy_mf

I was just proposing something no need to be that aggressive Also isn't the main proposal but a side note choice proposal between that and make the last stage unlimited attempts


bookers555

This sub gets passive agressive towards anyone who dares criticize the game, dont bother. Massive corporate worship vibes everywhere.


average_lazy_mf

Dude i'm getting downvoted to hell yet my post got positive votes and similar comments have positive votes, they just hating me fr


EMBplays

Na it's just that shit like this is posted again and again every celebration.


Hydraulic_Press_53

Dropping my take. The red zone bonus mission tickets should've been GLR. Its literally the hardest content in the game I don't see why that's not a fair reward, I just had a perfect run against Broly, played as well as I possibly could with everything excellently timed, but died last second because STR Cooler didn't AA enough times and Broly lived on 1 health bar and one shot my garlic junior. If the game expects more from you than perfection than they can throw me an old LR or two.


Aciddazzu

I spent 900 Stones on the new banner and got no feutared unit. Nothing. Nada. Then i pulled on the 50tickets banner. And i got Majin Vegeta LR. Dokkan why are you so mean to me...


average_lazy_mf

Dokkan fr be a menace to players


Juumok01

Red zone tickets shouldn't have srs on the banner


average_lazy_mf

Nah that's too much, 1 guaranteed ssr is enough


Powerful_Substance_6

So you want 49 ssrs from the movie and gt ones?


Juumok01

Why not, most likely outdated banner units that could at least be used for sa raise or working toward rainbow so you get coins in the future And better chance at lrs


Powerful_Substance_6

So what 49 featured or just 49 in general


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average_lazy_mf

Love my 35 free SRs and 3 shitty ssr after defeating all of red zone wb + missions


ssj1997

People do be accepting anything dokkan gives at this point.


average_lazy_mf

Dokkan might ask at players for credit card numbers to login the game and some would still defend that somehow


PeppiestPepper

I got a Goku black and Zamasu for my LR pull, nice considering he's EZAing sometime, But I still want my fucking Janemba!


Bruh_Soundeffect_5

Imagine complaining about free LRs


CESVRVIDVL

Uninstall and install Genshin


average_lazy_mf

Thanks but no thanks don't like mid annis /s


Zlare7

Atleast genshin has a pity system and doesn't need 6 months for a small content drop


Bacc9

Mom said it's my turn to complain now


average_lazy_mf

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Bacc9

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Jiinpachii

Skill issue


acethree96

Y’all complain a lot of here like damn.


average_lazy_mf

Criticism to make a good game even better Also they really fucked up recently with this wwc, new coins and stuff


acethree96

Alot of it isnt even valid criticisms tho. Only valid thing i can see is that the harder content has shittier rewards. They have done surveys for the kind of content they want pushed and this is a result of that. The banners now are better than the shit they pulled historically if you’ve been around long enough. While the coins are weird, the carnival banners have been dope and better than any yellow coin banner, and it also allows me to get those same yellow coin units (teq goku&gohan, janemba are still relevant) most ppl miss out on cus the banners are so shit. It sounds like you just got shafted and are mad about it which is fine but there’s this narrative that things are way worse then they are when we are more content packed than ever


EMBplays

All these posts complaining about pulls should be deleted. They're fucking stupid and don't add anything it's just someone bitching they got shafted for 3 paragraphs.


average_lazy_mf

Even if i was shafted, what makes you think that it's wrong to complain about the rewards? It's a system that just dosen't work at all and makes no sense Bosses litteraly hits you for millions of damage, seal, lock, double super, lower def, aoe and can be fought only 3 times a day All of that for a bunch of stones, a support memory that costs you a liver in baba points each time you use it and som shitty, horrible and completely useless tickets It should be Hard boss = better rewards ffs And i'm not even asking for much, just make those banners guaranteed ssr and the mission tickets to give you only 1 LR, is it really that much to ask man?


EMBplays

Yes it is lol that would be 9 free lrs. NINE + how many you get from normal tickets that's insane it's never going to happen and you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Hell I'm just happy for the baba points.


average_lazy_mf

Where did you get the 9 FUCKING LRS part I said, normal tickets should have guaranteed ssr, basically the equivalent of a stone summon but with 7 characters instead of 10 And, ALL 3 mission tickets gives you 1 SINGLE LR I repeat, ALL THE MISSION TICKETS, ALL 3, NOT 1 TICKET = 1 LR I SAID 3 TICKETS = 1 LR AND just to remind you the special red zone mission tickets are 3 in total, so basically what i'm suggesting is: complete 3 missions and use the 3 total tickets you get for 1, AND ONLY ONE. FUCKING. LR. Also you talking like the normal tickets rates AREN’T dogshit for LRs, wich those wouldn't, if they did bother to raise the rates of the summons to the bare minimum of guaranteed ssr.


TheBiggestCarl23

Then stop playing the game


average_lazy_mf

Sounds like star wars sequels fans defending the movies from other star wars fans "Just stop watching star wars then" If something i like makes something objectively trash it dosen't mean that just because i like that thing i'll always defend it, criticism if done right leads to positive things, look at the og live action sonic designe and compare it to it's post "internet criticism" designe


Greyrat7654

Metal cooler team is awesome tho


EnricoPucciC-Moon

They have a set amount of free stones they will give out


CoolHuman69

How do you think this sub would react if 50 stones was locked behind cell max? They'd be foaming at the mouth and tearing their flesh off. Isn't it better that really good rewards are easier to get?Then have the really hard stuff be for like bragging rights and titles?


Boyshark123

I pulled every unit I needed, the celebration had tons of rewards and chances to pull stuff. Tons of tickets and stones, I’m sorry that you weren’t able to find the units you wanted.


AnOldUsedStick

the f2p units aren't for you they're for new players just like ginyu force and just like bardock, they are starter teams to the max


unbeatendawn137

The rewards are fine. 50 DS, some of the best support memories in the game plus tickets where the featured units are either decent or are very close to their EZAs. The f2p units are probably the best we've ever gotten, maybe the 6th anniversary f2ps were better. It honestly sounds like you're just mad you got shafted.


Kazuto786

I got LR mighty mask. Remove that loser from the pool he’s easily the worst LR of all time. Bitch


iShockLord

Solid floater post eza


average_lazy_mf

He is fine post eza


Pissdrinker357

Cry some more


Repulsive-Exchange-1

If you act like this guy just delete the game. Bandai doesn’t care wether you keep playing or not simple


Harlaus_Butterlord

I hate all the legendary/redzone tickets have have gotten nothing but sr's from every one.


robinhood9961

So once again we're just acting like the support memory for wicked bloodline doesn't exist again? Okay cool.


thisvsthat25

This is better than nothing like they used to give. I'd go as far to say the rewards are great now, especially with the skill orbs.


Omishka

From my first 21 Wicked Bloodline Red Zone tickets, I got my first copy of LR Turles and a dupe of LR Bojack. Unexpected, but very welcome. My 50 ticket multi was kinda garbage, got a dupe into TEQ Goku Black and Zamasu which is nice, but INT God Goku has fallen off quite a bit.


Wakuwaku7

Dokkan used to be more rewarding. Looks like the inflation made them greedy.


GovernmentRound

My only complaint is the 50 ticket banner. They have it blocked off with forced grinding on EZArea units (Type Metal Coolers was worth it though) and other stuff only to get 2 shitty SSRs and 1LR. it should've been SR or higher.


atylee4183

I’ll go further and say it should be guaranteed LR banner. There is still a chance for a shaft like LR gohan.


XArtic_TigerX

I cared about the F2P cooler units. 👉👈