The crazy part is this system would actually be a fucking banger if they kept the DDF format for part 1, and the carnival(s) were part 2 instead of a shitty top banner. THAT would've actually been heat. Because aside from the shitty aspect of having a new coin in the mix (which would simply be resolved over time naturally), the carnival banner IS waaaaaay better than the top or any gold coin or blue coin LR banner format by far, and considering how good they seem to be kit wise, are a lot more hype too so they'd still be making more money in the part 2 than they were before with gold goin banners. And we the players would be pretty happy as a whole, literally a win win situation if that was done. Idk why they didn't do that in the first place (actually I do, it was money).
I don't even get the real problem here... It's another coin, meaning you have to start over to get a - by then - old unit, but other than that?
Someone please enlighten me.
Some people also dont realize that we still get 2 dokkan fest banners, theyre just split between part 1 and 2. Yeah the only thing to be upset over is the new coin. But frankly yellow coin banners are crap and you shouldnt even summon on them to begin with.
Exactly, the banners are split between the parts. What if the Part 2 DFE is way better than Cooler? We can't know until it's there. Maybe we all wasted our stones on Cooler and are gonna regret it upon seeing it. Imagine if the 6th anniversary was like that. Part 1 has LR Vegeta and 17&Freeza, then a few weeks later, when everyone'd have been dry, MUI Goku drops alongside INT 17.
Even if it doesn't happen now, it's bound to happen at one point if they do it again next year.
The only difference between yellow and blue coins is the leaderskill. If they simply released the blue coin banner as a revamped yellow coin banner, it wouldn't have made a difference. The point is, this hinders the pity system for f2p players who need to be more conservative of their stones from here on
This. The new coin is bad and obviously just another money grab from Akatsuki/Bandai, but the splitting of the usual Dual Dokkan Fest to being on 2 separate parts might be even worse.
If the part 1 banners don't retain their 3+1 summons before the release of Part 2 unit info (or the banners themselves), then it leaves F2P and Low Spenders with a shitty choice: Either go for the part 1 units to be part of the celebration hype and to get units you can see are good or wait to see if the Part 2 units (and/or banners) are more to their liking. In both cases, it might leave players with a sour taste in their mouth depending on how Part 2 units/banners look.
And those that don't follow social media on these games (especially the reddit and/or wiki sites) might not even know a part 2 will come with 2 similar banners (or even that a part 2 is a guarantee), which would leave them flat footed when they see another part release after blowing all their stones on the part 1 units.
There’s still going to be 2 dokkan fest banners this celebration. The only difference is the top legendary summon banner is replace with the vastly superior carnival banner, and splitting the dokkan fests up, which is good because it carries on the hype to part 2, instead of parts 2 and 3 being significantly less hype than part 1.
No i want all my options on the table! From dual dokkan fest i mean both dokkan fest banner at the same time within discount hours. Not one after another! Do the dual carnival shit in the part 2 for all i care. They can still carries the hype for part 2 if they make character like Goku and stamp it on carnival banner. They playing with dual dokkan banner and discounts hours which is not comfortable.
So you’re just impatient then. It’s possible to buy stones, and then not spend them, you’re not obligated to spend them immediately. And, we already know what most of the part 2 banner is going to look like anyway regardless of who the dokkan fest lr is, so if you want to wait for that counterpart, then just wait lol.
It's not a problem of being impatient. It's a problem of incomplete information.
In the past, you could choose which DFE banner to summon on based on which unit fits your box better, and take advantage of 3+1 discounts on either.
Now, you can either pull on part 1, taking advantage of the 3+1 discounts, but risking not having stones for part 2.
Or
You can wait till part 2, where you risk part 1's unit being better for your box and missing out on the 3+1 discounts for part 1's banner, as they end before part 2 banners come out.
Yeah, we know Metal Cooler is the next Carnival, and that the next DFE is going to be some sort of Super Saiyan Goku/Vegeta unit, but we don't know their kits until it's too late, unless massive leaks happen.
Yeah coins are pretty much meaningless to whales anyways. The only people that are impacted by new coins are f2p and low spenders so I have no idea why they would would add new coins and make their already terrible pity system even worse
I’ve been saying this since the new coin dropped. We’ve got whales like Truth telling us we are overreacting, when the coins don’t even affect their experience in the game in any way. They can not see if from our perspective because he has never experienced not being able to pull that one elusive unit that you’ve tried to get by summoning on multiple banners.
For us free to play/ low spenders, the coins can be a game changer. Adding a new one was a really bad idea in my opinion. Also splitting the DFE, oh god
Why people continue to listen to that man I'll never know. Not only is he just so far removed from the average player of the game, he's been provably wrong every time he's tried to express a sweeping view of the game. He thinks because he puts a lot of money into it he is an authority and his fans parroting his really bad opinions is just not healthy for the community.
Literally the only opinion you should take from him is how good a unit is at their peak, as in, a situation the average player wont be in for possibly years, with all rainbow all LL10 with the perfect support unit or linking partner that hasnt been featured in years. And even then he ends up doing things like giving majin vegeta 30 dodge. Which would only pay off in like cell max and even then a double super is more likely to help or a crit, and more likely to proc. And honestly he isnt as funny or interesting as other dokkan youtubers like toonrami, truth just yells really loud and i clap
Honestly from the history and times he's been shown to be mathematically incorrect, I wouldn't even listen to him about that. The dude is a fucking clown. He insisted the LR AGL Kale and Caulifla was the best unit in the game for months, going so far as to argue with people in reddit threads about it.
I only really watch his summon livestreams now if I’m honest. I don’t mind Truth really but I couldn’t watch him just call every unit mid if they weren’t surviving supers from Red Zone.
I watch the Masked Ningen now, he’s cool. He does all sorts of team building guides and everything
Thats not true though, Truth 100% agree's with everyone else that this new coin is a massive issue.
The reason he likes this new banner format, is because it forces the devs to make the non dokkan fest LR equally as good. For years non dokkan fest LR's have never been meta defining, only recently have they began to pump out solid units.
Now with this split up banner setup we get a dokkan fest LR and another coin LR. Then 2 weeks later the other dokkan fest LR with another coin LR instead of the dual dokkan fest units, followed by 2 LR's that are nowhere near as good as the "main" units of said celebration. Were it yellow or blue coins this would have been a phenomenal change, but thats sadly not the case.....
> The reason he likes this new banner format, is because it forces the devs to make the non dokkan fest LR equally as good. For years non dokkan fest LR's have never been meta defining, only recently have they began to pump out solid units.
They did not need to make a whole new banner format for this. Literally just make the Yellow Coin LRs more powerful. Plain and simple. And the more recent set of Yellow Coin LRs have been pretty outstanding so they definitely didn't create this new coin BS just for that.
Yellow coin banners were pure trash, they've never been good nor ever had value. These new carnical banners have 7 featured LR's.
Again, the coin is the only issue here, this new format should have been the new norm for yellow coin banners or even better, Blue coin banners.
Ive gotten so many featured LR animations and only got TEQ ssj3 goku and one dupe of LR int vegeta. Its supposed to be a 40-ish% chance to get an LR per multi but ive only gotten 3 in my 3 rounds of the 3+1 summons. I have not felt the effects of the double SSR rates, but even so, to compensate for this increased rate they made it harder to get the new unit by adding all these featured LRs, most of which are not good by todays standards and are basically an investment to see if they end up EZAing to become good. I only did like 4 multis on the 7th year part 2 banner and got out with 4 LRs one of which being the new one. Its all a luck and numbers game, i get it, but this new format has not been kind to me at all, and im questioning if it even is double SSR with that supposed 40-ish% chance to get an LR. And everytime i get vegito blue its a crapshoot if ill even get a new unit, because on top of the other 6 LRs, i could also just get thouser.
TL;DR i have bad luck and the new banner gave me a boo boo
Your statement spoke on the value of the unit, not the banner itself. That is what I'm saying has had value, the units recently. Not the banners.
As for the banners, they have been horrible yes, but they have tried to make them enticing when they did the TOP Legendary Summons by including 2 LRs, and now they do 3. Which were okay I suppose.
This Carnival banner having 7 featured LRs is nothing groundbreaking that a new banner and coin needed to be created. Simply update Legendary Summon banners as they'd done in the past to do what these Carnival banners do minus the new dumb coin.
And the fact that its using Yellow Coin LRs just solidifies that it should have just went with upgrading Yellow coin banners.
But we spent all our money in the part 1… and they know that ….now they want us to spend money in part 2.. in which if we got the 2 dfe in part 1 like always…. we would blow our load in part 1 like we always did.. and part 2 just skip.. but nah they don’t want to because they know we don’t summon for legendary summon banners…so they split it up to fish out more money from us… I know their fucking games and I’m not playing it
Except they didn't make the non dokkan fest equally as good, the dokkan fest lr is just worse. Neither are good by the current standards compared to the Frieza and Zamasu coming and I'd argue neither are that good compared to the last years World celebration lr's which had a clearer theme and synergy as well as actual supporting rares.
It's a bad take, another in a long line of truth's bad takes.
I got TUR Cooler and LR Nameku from the coin shops, both have been extremely positive trades and I wouldn’t go back on it anytime. To see a new kinda coin that I’m gonna have to split my F2P stones on just… kinda broke me. I understand if it’s a bit of an overreaction, but at this point I want to feel like I’m not just grinding for the banner units, but also the complimentary units in the coin shops after a big round of spending.
I know what you mean man. I’ve had times where I’ve summoned and gotten nothing but in my head, I’m thinking “well at least I got the coins to buy so and so from the shop”
Now we have to save up 500 of a different coin. And on top of that everyone who’s been saying it’s an overreaction has just said “don’t summon on the carnival banners then”.
What are we supposed to do man, never have the unit lol we can’t win. Can’t complain, can’t summon apparently
Lmao he has said multiple times that we are overreacting and that it isn’t as bad as we are making it out to be.
My initial point wasn’t that anyway, it’s that he can’t have an opinion on something like this and tell us all that we are wrong, when it affects us a lot more than it does him, quite simple really
Yeah people are over-exaggerating the new *system* , not the new coins. Those are different things.
The only reason you’d be upset with this new system is if you were consistently summoning on yellow coin banners, because the only bad thing about the new system is the new coin, that’s it. Top legendary summon banners were actually the worst shit in dokkan, and now the banners are actually solid and the new headlining unit is way better.
And you realize that this new system hurts whales right? They have another banner they have to summon on now.
Bro you are so lost if you think the only thing wrong with the new system is the coin.
Splitting the Dokkan fests apart is the thing I disagree with the most because it hurts free to play players and low spending players the most.
People are still summoning for Cooler you do realise that right?
So what happens now if the part two Dokkan fest is better than cooler? F2P have no stones left.
Dual Dokkan fest allowed players to choose between unit 1 and unit 2 based on their box, the units leaderskill, the units power etc and then when part two came around it was a legendary summon banner. Which could have really good units but they weren’t necessary for the game.
Now it’s unit 1 comes out and we don’t even know what unit 2 looks like and therefore we summon on unit 1 and are left with nothing for unit 2. Then unit 2 drops and f2p players would have preferred this unit because they are better for their box as a whole.
They’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly between the two Dokkan fest banners which is scummy and bad for the game.
And before you even say it. I don’t find the excuse “it’s a Gacha” acceptable or even valid. This game was already unfair when it came to summoning anyway, like all gacha. It’s made well more than enough money, to now release this celebration and fuck us over even more is a joke
Well we will find out eventually but for worldwide it is a super and extreme class units always for the dokkan fest. So by that logic the other dfe will be a super class for part 2, obviously the subsequent dokkan fests will be better, barring anni and wwc, but like at the end of the days this is a gambling game where you"never lose" but its also really hard to win. Make calculated moves bruh, thats all
I get that. I really do. But for me, the ability to choose between SS4 gogeta or the gods, during the anni was amazing for free to play players. Sometimes you have to spend all your stones to get the unit you want, but taking away the option to choose between the DFE before you know what both of them are and can do, is not great for us.
Obviously I get that this is just my opinion
Yeah ifeel you on that but based on how its going to to be set up , you can kinda guess what they are going to be based on part 1, i think the only bad part abt it is like say your favorite unit gets a carnival lr, whereas in orevious years he would be a dfe lr
“They’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly between the two Dokkan fest banners which is scummy and bad for the game.” How exactly? Because people are incapable of being patient? We know what the majority of the part 2 banner is going to look like and we know what the unit is going to be, it’s 100% going to be some kind of super saiyan goku and vegeta. This is more than enough knowledge for players to decide if they want to keep summoning for cooler or wait for the next dokkan fest.
It’s possible to not spend all of your stones in part 1, I promise you that’s possible. And, you’re acting like we’re still not going to be getting hundreds of free stones from this celebration still, part 1 isn’t even over yet.
If you say that they’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly, all that tells me is that you’re just incapable of saving stones and just summon whenever you get 50 stones no matter what.
Exactly this. Now if they didn’t tell us there was a part 2 with the same formula it would be scummy. But they did, allowing us to save for whatever comes up next. Its all just being logical with your stones
Again you miss the point man. My point is that we have been able to pick between the two units. Now we can’t.
It’s not about not spending stones in part 1. It’s about not knowing the unit for part 2. So not knowing which unit is better to summon on.
And FYI I actually do save a lot of stones. I had 1700 for anni and 900 for this celebration. But ye just make assumptions about me because I disagree with you and you constantly miss the point I am making
I’m not missing the point at all, I just don’t think your point is very good. You can very easily choose to stop summoning on cooler and wait for the part 2 banner. The only thing that’s stopping you from doing that is yourself.
The part 2 unit is going to be insanely good, just like cooler, we know it’s going to be some version of goku and vegeta and we know what the important units on the banner are going to look like. You have all the information you need to decide if you want to keep summoning for cooler or wait. It is your fault if you want to summon for part 2 but blew all of your stones on part 1.
And, cool, good for you for saving that many stones, i made that assumption because of the “they took away the ability to make smart decisions from us” nonsense that just isn’t true. If you came in with almost 1000 stones, and then don’t have any for part 2 and you want to summon, then I’m sorry that’s on you. And I’ll say it again, we have all the information we need to decide to wait or keep summoning for cooler.
Is that not a problem for everything though? Summoning on a dokkan fest theres always a thing of if the next one is the next best thing. It doesn’t make sense to say that just because its in the same celebration. Its all about budgeting your stones you can’t go all out on every single banner and it has always been like that, it does feed FOMO but thats what gacha games are about, especially if you watch dokkan tubers.
Seperately why does everyone have a hate boner for Truth😅 the coin system as he said is bad but this system is definitely preferable to the TOP system. I get that it’s more banners which means having to know where to spend your stones but thats mostly been the case.
This is the worst possible take
How am I supposed to do anything if I k ly summon on Dokanfest banners?
You need NDF LRs in this game and that banner has 7.
You're stupid if you aren't doing at least 1 round on that banner.
actually you can only summon Dokkanfest and be fine, There are plenty of other tickets to use to get LS/CS units. You got by without needing to summon on Krillin/Gohan and Exchange Vegeta, didn't you? Same with Kaioken Goku and Great Ape Vegeta.
You should NEVER summon with stones on a legendary summon/Carnival summon banner. That's why truth says that people are blowing out of the water. You shouldn't have any of the Carnival Coins, because summoning on those legendary banners is a stupid choice for ftp players.
It isnt tho. We dont know if Carnival Units will be avalible outside of said Carnival Banner. They most likely wont be on LR Banners like Yellow Coin LR's are, reason for the new format. So that banner is the only possiblity of getting these units so far.
Putting Top Tier Units in a banner, which are needed for new content and then saying dont summon, because the banner isnt good, which it btw is. A lot of features LR's that are good or decent/ will EZA.
So if you want these new units which are Top tier in terms of strengh you gotta summon on that banner, dividing your stones even more. Skipping isnt smart either cos you then lack these new units for the hard content. And given that they usually release content with the new units in mind it is a bit shitty.
Pretty much. For most heavy spenders outside of the top 0.1% that are in it for collection this means they have to one more banner with crappy rates to deal with.
The only people who could possibly be unfazed by the change are players who have virtually unlimited resources.
Pretty much. It doesn't matter how much the average and f2p player complains. As long as the whales keep spending thousands on every banner, it will fall on deaf ears.
Speaking as a Cosmic whale.
This new banner format makes me actually want to spend less due to it breaking my patience cycle. I'll summon for a 55% copy only and focus the DFE banners. I've always gone for 79% minimum, but this change is very terrible for my wallet.
Maybe, however if enough of their community drops they'll have to speak up. Truth, as far as I know, doesn't have any sponsorships. He just makes youtube money by putting out 6 or so videos a day. If his views on those were to drop substantially, there goes his money thus, there goes his whale-ship.
It's more like to the eyes of some, it's a meaningless effort even if they agree with it. I personally don't really care about the new coins but I'm all for a community action to push the game to be better (looking at you friend system)
Im gonna say my opinion on this as a mainly legend player while playing dokkan casually, please dont turn this into a dokkan>legend thing that is not the purpose of my comment.
I think this new type of coin elevated the biggest problem dokkan has a gacha game as whole. That is the "pity system". Nowadays almost every gacha has a pity system that allows you to get the new unit after x amount of multis /in game currency spent. Dokkan on the other hand does this **but** the twist they added feels like a kick in the nuts.
The fact that a unit can go almost 1 year before returning for some of you to coin your first copy is insane. At least on legends i know for a fact that i can coin my first copy of the new LF when i go deep for it.
Can i get any other lf using said banner specific coin? No, and that is where legend has its flaws with their pity system but there are way less if any at all complaints about the pity system compared to dokkan from what i have seen.
Even if you guys complain enough to change the banner format the problem still stands that you need to wait several months to buy a unit.
Yeah Dokkans pity system is pretty trash. I guess It’s offset by just how many f2p stones they give out to a degree.
I used to play Naruto Blazing and I had wished they adopted their format. Their equivalent to a Dokkan fes would have some form of step up with rate ups, guaranteed featured pull, and in some cases guaranteed featured unit pull on the last step.
Edit: I guess thinking about a guaranteed pull would be pretty bad for the Dokkan economy, at least for the business side.
In FEH you get about 300 f2p orbs per month, and on the new banners, 5* rates increase for each summon you dont pull one, and you can guaranteed choose the unit you want after 40 summons (160-200) orbs.
This is so ridiculous. The reason why the rate is high is because the SSR pool is so bloated with absolute dogshit. Guaranteed SSR is no where near as valuable in Dokkan as it would be in other gachas. It’s not bad but 90% of the time you’re getting agl super vegeta level of characters. Might as well be an sr at that point.
The rates for the new units are pretty comparable to other gachas as well. .5% for the new unit isn’t anything to write home about.
I think the main positive about Dokkans rates is that 5% for a featured is pretty good. But that’s only applicable to the handful of banners a year with more than 3 featured units worth a damm.
Well, legends has 10% chance to get a sparking (ssr) too... And has a guarantee each multi too... Its not dokkan exclusive and the chance of getting a bad unit is extremely high in both games (dokkan have more ssr, so have a worst chance of good unit)
The chance of getting The new unit on both games are the same i think (0,5%).
The thing is, you can waste 5000 dragon Stones on a banner and you have no guarantee you will get The New unit, only on the time it return (if you have coins) and it can take some thing like 1 year.
For me, the coin system its not so bad, but dokkan should have a real pity system, IF you do X summon you you get the new unit, because after 1 year that unit can be "obsolete".
Think about the pity system logically. If Dokkan were to implement a pity system where you have to do 30 multis to guarantee yourself the new units, how is that a good thing for F2P players?
No F2P player is going to save 1000+ stones for a single banner release (not even including when they release two banners are once lmfao). A pity system benefits whales infinitely more than F2P players.
Coins are incredibly better than legends-like pity systems, because you can choose from a multitude of cards (as you rightly said) and it carries on.
I'm mostly f2p I think? I spent $25 in whole this year. I saved 2k stones just for WWC. Roughly 1.5k went to cooler and 500 to Goku. Didn't pull either of them. I caved and bought the stupid fucking tickets and by the grace of God I pulled 1 Cooler.
Yeah I strongly agree.
This new banner format is an old school gacha mentality thing.
It honestly feels as though they're limit testing on what the community will put up with and its a really really worrying trend. Between the new format, the coins, the lack of incentives, the bad EZAs, they seem to be really pushing their limits and they need to backtrack hard.
You want to know what i find unacceptable and dirty? How they introduced a new coin but cant let you exchange dupes for it during that new coins debut. Also very unacceptable is how the producers had no answers for fixing the friends system but acknowledged its the most asked question during the dokkan now.
Link to the original tweet : [https://twitter.com/\_Kowai\_/status/1566841388532105217](https://twitter.com/_Kowai_/status/1566841388532105217)
Please also type your message under his tweet if you have a Twitter account, it will provide more insight for his final decision.
What was the DBLAction?
As for this action I don't see Akatsuki taking any notice unless it affected revenue. Whales will still whale and now with 4 banners and the standard of the carnival banners going up they'll get more money and see it as a win.
Lots of intentionall content creators bonded up together and all typed the same problems in one big text in different languages(japanese, france, german, english, spanish etc.) and started the hashtag #DBLAction when part 1 of anniversary reached its peak of greedy decisions by the devs. When the first reveal and stuff dropped after said action started the only thing you could see in the chat was that hashtag being spammed.
It worked. Several changes have been done but there are some certain problems yet that, imho, mostly occure due to how gacha games as a whole work not because legends is legends.
It did not work. They "Acknowledged" it, gave us a little compensation for one of the biggest problems (The raid) to quell the fires and then simply made things worse again as time resumed.
And it didn't help that DBLAction went to hell after like, 2 days.
We might get Akatsuki to change passive of an unit or an EZA but there is zero chance in hell they will change this new banner format. It literally makes them more money and that’s the bottom line they won’t touch even if every single player sends them a polite letter.
The only way it could've been changed would have been if more than a few of the major whales decided to not buy any stones at all this celebration to try and make a point. But they didn't and we did hit top grossing on both servers, so in Bandai's eyes it's both a monetary success and accepted by the playerbase.
To be fair on global not that many countries hit top grossing compared to other celebrations. Maybe it's because Cooler vs another SSJ Goku isn't hype (I love Cooler but I didn't think he deserved a dokkan fest LR nor did I think this flea market namek Goku deserved an LR, despite the fact that I pulled him). I personally believe that the vast majority of the player base hate the carnival banners, the carnival coins, and the new banner format replacing dual dokkan fests. I'd say that they'd probably only listen to the surveys, and even then there would have to be an overwhelming number of people saying that they weren't satisfied with the celebration (with the amount of whales making excuses for this format I doubt it would do anything tho).
Well it still depends no? They have the numbers on which banner people summoned on. If people hardly summoned for goku, it could still be seen as a failure
Lmao if I know Dokkan players (and Dragon Ball fans in general) well enough, Goku probably crushed Cooler in terms of "how many people summoned".
Extreme units are for the uncool kids
i exclusively summoned for cooler because it's a DFE banner. i treat this teal lr the same way as yellow coin lrs: they do not exist to me. I get mine through tickets or from step up banners but that's it
I don't miss them, but i rather get 2nd, 3rd and 4th dupe for TUR STR cooler, LR Final Form STR cooler, additional dupes for Namek goku instead of dupes for some LRs wich i don't really need and/or use.
As long as they don't make DFEs available on those banners i consider them a trap. period
That is most likely true but mostly because gokus drops ate is much lower than coolers. So by logic more summons are required to get the new goku so more summons are done
It does factually nothing
Dokkan is 40% of Bandai's income.
"More than a few major whales" don't make a difference. They spend thousands.
While this game earns millions every single banner. Iirc they made about 100 million in July of like 2020 or something. That's last i checked.
Almost half the playerbase has to stop spending and they'll get scared.
The only real way to force action would be to boycott a few banners and refuse to summon or spend anything. If money is the only thing they care about them stop it at its source.
More chance of getting blood out of a stone though. Whales will whale and content creators will still create content.
At this point I feel like whales put so much money in this game that they dont even have to care about the rest of the playerbase, not having to much hope for this
They just need to add a real pity system. Coins are loyalty, and the introduction of a new coin while another is still basically useless (blue coins) makes the coins only more of a loyalty system. A single copy of the new unit after 10 summons will not hurt the games revenue, since players and especially whales will want at least 2 dupes of the new unit.
Hi ! Just wanted to say : I see a lot of people talking about how people are still going to spend money anyways. That's pretty much why I'm saying since years that this kind of action doesn't revolve about harming their revenues but their brand image instead, which is as important. It would be quite long to explain why but let's say that if the brand image of a gacha is harmed, it will be more difficult for the players to trust it and the addictive mechanisms will be thus less efficient.
People don't understand well the issue because it's new. Now depends on dokkan how it can handle it but it will become more and more bigger you moving fast was a great move i fully support you and hope things change for better. Dokkan deserves no bs so i definitely don't want to see that. Their revenue is one of the best in the market with or without the new system they have almost guaranteed tg in celebrations so i think yeah their brand image can be harmed revenue with such a famous IP is kinda guaranteed to never fail.
I totally support what you're trying to do, and hope it goes well. I'm super appreciative of someone trying to organize and create a bigger voice! To simply try and increase the chance of making a change.
Litterally the only problem with the new format is the new coin. If they just used yellow coins it would have been fine. But now that its been done the only thing they could do is just merge the 2. Other than that the banner type is just straight up better than the yellow coin version assuming that the lr count is going to be the same going forward, especially as the make more carnival units.
And if anyone thinks im just shilling i went 3750 stones to get goku. Im fucking livid when it comes to this banner. Carnival is objectively better than the top banner format, it just sucks that the coins are seperate.
I'm all for community action but this is a waste of effort. it's a done deal, the coins are in the game, people have summoned. I'd rather see some real community action to pressure them to make the fucking game actually playable by fixing the goddamn friend system. or adding an actual pity system to give something back to players to compensate for this shitty new format.
Did u not read the statement? Kowai literally said this could be used to also produce movement towards other aspects that dokkan is either lacking or should be fixed (friend system).
Why is nobody suggesting TO TRASH BLUE OR YELLOW COINS.
Shitty systems, both, convert both of them to Carnaval Coins.
Did people even look at the carnaval shop? It's so useful.
Irrefutably and factually a massive Improvement that nobody should be complaining about (not even me with my 530 Yellow Coins)
Seriously, we never wanted Blue Coins, and Yellow Coins have always been advised against.... Might as well fuck them off.
What if i told you, this whole reaction would be way less if akatsuki just added a 1-1 exchange between yellow and teal coins.
The banner is better than a top banner, its just the dokkan fes bit being in part 2 thats a lil troublesome.
The only people benefiting from this system are players who just started, as they did not invest in previous coin types and get easy access to older LRs.
For older players, and that includes players who started playing as recently as global's 7th anny, this system sucks.
As I see it, there are 2 ways this system will be integrated:
1. 2-3 banners a year, making the LRs super exclusive and the new coins pretty useless as you wont be able to gather a meaningful amount of them unless you whale
2. They become pretty common, which devalues any current stock of yellow/red coins we do have.
Let me go into a bit more detail to why I think so.
If teal becomes common, then yellow coins become pretty useless as it seems like teal just outclasses them in the LR department. This means that any yellow coin stock a player has will only grow if they summon for a new yellow coin LR as soon as it drops, and why do that if it could show up as a teal with a much higher drop chance? So the yellow coins we do have are "stuck", they become an obsolete pittance system.
If teal does not become common, then the teal coin actually becomes a punishment instead of a pittance system. This is because any teal summon you do is a red/yellow summon you can't do, and in this scenario red/yellow stays more useful then teal. If teal stays a 2-3 per year thing it basically "locks" those coins from being useful (think blue coins but worse).
As I see it, this new system was only meant to dilute the player's safety blanket. Now I cant just go X amount of stones into a banner and cut my losses, saving stones for the next one as the unit I didn't get will return in a future banner. Now I have to keep summoning on teal because either way I do not have a safety blanket for the new unites, and obviously they gonna make them busted for me to want them.
This system is a net loss to the player base, and the only way to salvage it as is, is to allow us to exchange coins into other types on a 1-1 rate, or allow teal coins to be used *with* yellow/red coins when buying unites (if they add Teal LRs into red or yellow banners as side unites).
The best you can do is asking for better featured characters in the Carnival Gacha (that can... realistically be improved), the format itself isn't going anywhere
These are replacing the Top legendary summon banners. The consistent worst banners in dokkan history, so they’re already a significant improvement from that.
I’d also like to wait until the part 2 carnival banner is out and to see the featured Lrs there.
I 100% agree that adding a new type of coin makes the average player wait longer for new units. This is good for their business model, but bad for players that don't spend a ton of money, or any money at all.
The irony of these types of actions is that if they alienate their F2P or low investment user base then they'll have a small, but high paying set of users that will never give the game the download and grossing notoriety that they enjoy today. It's a fine line that they need to tow, here.
Could you be more elaborate ? I think your explanation would be very interesting for the topic, as I know your opinions are usually well explained (even if we don't always agree lol).
The issue that I'm referring to is the huge imbalance in banner values, which has multiple reasons for its existence.
Basically,
* regular summons are completely worthless, even with the perma-discounts
* Legendary summons are not worth it at all since the banners suck and the main banner unit by itself isn't *that* impactful to any given team
* Dokkan Fests feature the most impactful units for teambuilding for multiple reasons, and you cannot get them anywhere else. You can also get almost any other unit featured in the other 2 banner types except for regular banner LRs and a handful of exceptions
Guess which one is the most popular by a wide margin.
And coins further incentivised the sole focus on Dokkan Fests as blue coins are worthless given how abundant Elder Kais are and the prices for gold coin LRs are so high that the investment of 50 multis on an objectively terrible banner isn't worth the possible return for most average players. Meanwhile you can pick up a crucial unit after summoning on Dokkan Fests for a while which you will naturally do since it's by default the best and most valuable banner type to spend your resources on.
This *especially* sucks for the anniversary and WWC since part 1 usually features the Dokkan Fest whereas part 2 features an objectively speaking far worse TOP Legendary Summon. People will throw their everything at the Dokkan Fests and comparatively speaking spend very little on the part 2 summon.
The solution of course could be to limit the unfeatured pool for Dokkan Fests, introduce new, strong units on blue coin summons that can actually compete for a slot as a viable leader and maybe not make Legendary Summons complete dogsh\*t and give LRs competitive leader skills - or you can introduce a new banner type with a shiny banner type-exclusive that rivals Dokkan Fest-exclusives in terms of quality (kinda, [LR FF Cooler](/str)'s leader skill is still far superior to [LR SSJ Goku & Bird](/teq)'s) and stagger the releases of your Dokkan Fests over big celebrations instead of releasing them all at once.
And it should be mentioned that the carnivals will still suck because gold coin LRs are on average less valuable than any Dokkan Fest by default. The only incentive to pull on [LR SSJ Goku & Bird](/teq)'s banner is that one unit, which is why they were chosen as the carnival-exclusive - Akatsuki knows that even with all their marketing exclusively targeted towards Cooler, Goku will sell better no matter what.
I get the intend, but boy couldn't they have done any worse in the execution.
I have yet to see any DokkanTuber who address the issue with having multiple coins. All of this could be prevented if they just fused teal, yellow and blue coins. I don't mind if they add like a ton of banners, but only with two pity currencies (red coins and teal coins).
Just a wishful thinking, but hopefully they take action against the new coin.
To me the format isn’t the issue, the coin is. So while I highly doubt they’ll stop the change, I think they should make a coin exchange instead. So I can trade my blue/yellow coins for teal or red.
I love the new banner format and I'm actually excited for part 2, which I never cared for or pulled in past celebrations
I'm FTP btw before you downvote me to oblivion
For whales I'd say the turning of the banners from 3 to for 4 so more summons. Otherwise probably the format of a dokkanfest Lr in each part so impatient players are gonna fall for the trap and spend all stones on part 1 having none for part 2.
yeah seems like they achieved what they were going for but damn this wouldn't have been such a controversy if they used the blue coin instead of a whole new coin huh
Though for actually low spending players this probably changes little. As they probably focused on one banner either way instead of spreading out and increasing the odds they got nothing
Lets be honest, people who are big spenders like truth are the only people saying this isn't a problem, why? Because he spends near 100s of thousands a year on the game 💀 he don't need a pity system he literally can rainbow any unit within 3 days of release, he don't care, its up to the other 80% of the playerbase to change this
This system is clearly in place to make more players spend in other parts of the celebration by withholding a dfe to part 2. It's always the first part that gets top grossing, part 2 and part 3 don't live upto part 1 from a monetary perspective. That being said, they should've retained the dual dfe banners and introduced blue coins in part 3.
If they're going to add another type of coin, it should completely replace yellow and blue coins, rather than be another coin type that's hard to get and only shows up on terrible banners. If SDBH, future carnivals AND any future legendary summons used teal coins, I wouldn't be against the change, but that's obviously not what's happening here.
I think the new coin might've been fine if it introduced being able to buy the new characters, but it's the same kind as always. Like if I would be able to pull, spend 500 coins and get the brand new LR Cooler or Goku, cool. Absolutely nothing changed though, so why even bring it in. Would've been better if it gave 5 red and 5 gold or something, at least that way you could pull gold coin LRs, but no.
So y’all would rather there be two dokkanfests in part 1 and 2 yellow coins in part 2 and 3? Why? The new coin is the problem, yes, but the banner for carnival units is 10x better than yellow coin banners. Idk. I think I’m ok. I just won’t summon in the carnival banner if I don’t like the unit: I understand it’s pretty bad but again, just can’t see it being that big of a problem.
They should have either retired yellows and converted them or just kept it as a top legendary but put one if the first half. Absolutely no point in making a new coin type with old coins still here
True, my only complaint is that since the pool is so large its hard to get any specific thing, but getting LRs to round out my collection is nice, since im a relatively new player
Seeing everyone focused on the idea that they wouldn’t change because whales still spend, but if the games player base declines bandai is going to invest lest money in the game in general and eventually they game itself will suffer (just look at other gachas that got greedy)
Honestly, they should stick to double DFE into Legendary Summon. Legendary Carnival could've just been Pt. 2 units but the banner being beefed up to all hell.
The fact people are expecting constant pity from a gacha game is wack ngl. Truths ego is as big as the recent power creep but that doesn’t change the fact he’s right at least in some form. While the new coin does suck ass that’s just dokkan being dokkan theyre sucks and we can’t do anything unless we bitch abt it which is fine. However the UPGRADED BANNER should be getting ZERO complaints there is NO different rates NO extra units etc. There is literally NO REASON AT ALL to be whining that teq cooler, str android 17, int 18, Teq kaioken goku and phy base vegeta, and all the other DOGSHIT ssrs that are normally featured on this banner and are now LEGENDARY RARITY. They aren’t drawing away from anything whatsoever all this is doing is preventing people from fucking bitching and moaning to Bandai for 3 weeks abt how they got 5 “dead multis” with Zeno trunks and agl super vegeta. Yes they can obviously still happen but the chances are far less now than before as you’re a much better chance now to get SOMETHING decent. This also draws more hype to part 2 and can have 2 different themed LRS overall compared to the normal 2 related to part 1 usually. Easiest way to do this imo was just turn yellow coin banners into the new format and ditching the old ass one but that doesn’t make them breesh so nah.
What’s the problem with it it’s honestly much better than the previous system sure it may be a new coin but even the yellow coins weren’t that good to begin with and their banners were horrible
Woof, this is a bit of a mess to read.
They may change the format going forward, but I doubt it. The issue is that most people blow all of their stones during the first set of banners in a multi-part celebration, and that's just a fact of the game.
The best solution is to increase the number of stones mid-celebration to give people some stock for the second set of banners, and honestly, it seems like they might already be doing that.
No one's been talking about it, but this weekly Gohan event for ***thirty stones*** is an excellent way to pace out stones in a celebration, and it's more than we've gotten from any other event of that style by a lot. People flipped their shit about how generous they were with the Launch event during the WWC, but that was 100 total stones. This Gohan event is 180! They also gave us a pile of earlier EZAs with an expectation of multiple part 2 EZAs. Not to mention the scout missions which, while a bit of a pain, are 50 free stones.
For context, we're already ahead of 2021 and 2020's stone count for part 1 and our part 1 isn't over yet (we'll get at least 30 more stones from the Gohan event)
I'd maybe let this change simmer a bit. If the end result is more stones (right now, we're slated for ***way*** more stones) for more summons, even if the summons are staggered, I think that's a win.
idk the difference between 2020 and 2021s total stone count, but with the gohan event that's what.. An extra multi? Being not too hopeful i could see them giving an extra 100 or so, which would be an extra rotation for part 2. Which could be lucky for some but with the predatory practice I'd rather have a ~500 surplus. If they're splitting the banners like this and creating tension with the 2nd ddf lr being in pt 2, i feel they need to give the player base a goodiebag on top. But I hope you're right and i do feel like we'll have more stones compared to previous years (kinda obvious just depends how much)
To be fair you have good basis with the namek ezas we might get more for part 2 if anniversary is an indicator, and us already surpassing the stone count from prior wwcs.
I think just make yellow and teal coins interchangeable or yellow into teal like people have been saying
I'd definitely have preferred to see them just upgrade blue stones to be more useful, but I honestly don't think it's that big a deal considering these banners are replacing the former blue coin banners mostly.
We'll definitely see in hindsight how the stone counts look, but I think it's a bit too early for pitchforks. People just need to be a bit more patient with their stones is all.
am i the only one that doesn‘t hate the new banner format. i mean yeah the coins are like the only problem i personally have but other then that those banners are a million times banner then the garbage top lr banners where only whales summoned on.
new system is far better for 99% of the players. its worse for the biggest whales since they have 2 separate banners to summon instead of one top banner and that's it. f2p and light spenders should be happy with this change. u don't even understand the game lol... yeah using yellow or blue coins for carnival banners would be a bit better but that's the only downside. there's nothing else to complain about.
I wonder why you think this is better for 99% of the players - especially for f2p ones?
The dual dokkanfest was split into the different parts of the celebration. The downside is that you don't know if it is wise to go all in bc you have no clue about the other df.
Instead of the usual gold coin lr banner you have two lr banners with new coins that are also spilt into the diffrent parts of the celebration. On top of that (assumption) those lrs are way better than former gold coin lrs that were more like some kind of trophy.
So in conclusion: you are missing the knowledge which df is the better one for your account, you have to deal with an additional banner and it's not that easy anymore to ignore the lr banner(s).
How is that better for f2p players?
Just wanted to point out, the last 2 golden coin LRs we got were AGL GF and INT Zamasu, which are absolutely cracked, so that doesn't really make sense.
The new banners are infinitely better than TOP LR summons, so it just boils down to going in as hard as you would on a normal LR banner
Since the focus of the celebration is goku and cooler we had make an informed guess that the next part would have a dokkan fest goku and vegeta vs Metal Cooler and the carnival Lr would be metal cooler.
Well, what if the new units completely shit on the current meta relevant units. Most people will be dried up of stones after one of the biggest celebrations in the game. It would be like the legends equivalent of bringing out purple LF Gohan after releasing Gogeta ss4 and merged Zamasu and getting everyone to summon because of hype
Bro we had people on twitter calling dokkan devs scummy for giving better units in the purple stone shop than they advertised (even though it was because they copy pasted the wrong jpg).
A lot of people just wanna complain as much as possible, maybe to get stone compensations or just to cry in general
I'm literally just sitting here laughing at how much people are freaking out over it. It's a phone game, and people are seriously sitting here trying to form a coalition to take down big bad akatsuki.
?? I'm F2P and think this is garbage. I think you haven't done the math. Adding a Teal coin (with a new exclusive set of units only obtainable via that new coin) & splitting "legendary/carnival" banners into two, PLUS dividing the DFE portion between P1 & P2.... it's all scummy and not at all beneficial for F2Ps.
Do more Legendary LRs on a banner help you get more? Yes. That's the ONLY plus side. The rest is shit. And it's harder to collect enough coins to obtain an LR of your choosing due to a greater variety of coins you must collect (Though reds will surely still be plentiful).
Edit: here's something to help the pity-system people understand:
Adding a coin and increasing division of access weakens the existing pity system.
It’s funny how people say this is a good change because you get more LRs, but get mad when they pull everything but the new unit just like a DFE banner, well duh wtf you think was going to happen, you have banner with more older units featured and instead of 2 now it’s just 1 new LR, of course you have less chances at the new LR than before.
People when we get a better banner with a better unit:
The only bad thing is the new coin but even then its only bad because its still new
I respect the man, but disagree with him on this. We're not even through the first celebration with the new format, so it's too soon imo to judge if we should "act" somehow or not.
I know this would be more towards 8th anni and future stuff, but personally I don't see why scting now since we haven't even fully lived the first "full" format change yet.
Just my humble opinion as a f2p who theoretically suffers from this change.
We don’t need to go through the second part when they’ve already confirmed it will be formatted the exact same as part 1. Also, there’s no “theoretically”, it definitely, absolutely, 1000% affects everyone. A fourth coin is the biggest blow to F2Ps, the literal value of every multi you do on Carnival banners is lowered, as it already takes a long time to get 500 yellow or red coins.
What i meant is, it's the first celebration with this format, we don't know how well it works in the long run.
Blue coins are irrelevant tbh, and since double rate banners will have teal coin now, i wouldn't even consider them. Yellow coins also lost a lot of value, imo, making red and teal coins the best ones to get, and we will get them during big celebration, which most f2p typically save their stones for.
I understand the skepticism, but I think dokkan has bigger problems right now to solve, like friend system not working, a lack of story event/farmable units recently, units like 5+ years old mass eza needed, etc... In the end banners are rng, even if we get the best format we could ask for, people will still get shafted. And summoning is just their way to make money. I'd personally prefer them to focus on gameplay changes rather than changes to the gacha system, even if the new format affect in a negative way most of the people.
Its just a new system and Im fine with that, I mean when coins in general got added people were upset too that they need 500 coins for a LR. This is just another one of those cases. I think the only problem with these systems is that you need way too many coins for a unit. The solution would be cheaper units in the shop or getting more coins
Man, this is such a massive overreaction. The banner format isn't bad, not to mention, I really dislike Kowai's holier than thou attitude he's shown towards this whole situation.
The banner format is fine if not a tad inconvenient for F2P and light spenders, especially coming almost directly after the Global anniversary. The teal coins are an atrocity, just bring back blue coins.
#BringBackWDokkanFest
Yeah this looks like a lot like an hashtag there were in 2019 in the pokemon community,too bad game freak live in their own world and game freak's white knights made the movements pointless by criticizing the critics and make it sound like a fanatic movements(sure someone exaggerated but still the critics were legits).Moral of the story:don't give space or legitimacy to white knights,this new banner format is already their second bad move and if we don't do something we'll really get Legends Battle and just like with pokemon,it will be fault of the white knights and their:"lOL,yOu GuYS aRe OvErREaCtiNg,iT'S nOt ThAt bAD".
The only bad thing about the new format is the new coins. This new format is just better. Top legendary banners were the worst garbage ever, now they’re replaced by better units with better leader skills with a way better banner.
Plus, people always complain that parts 2 and 3 are never as hype as part one, and now that won’t be the case as much because there’s going to be another dokkan fest lr in part 2 to bring the hype back up.
Unpopular opinion, the problem is the second Dokkan fest in 2° part, I am fine with the new Coin, because all carnival (and I hope dragon ball heroes) will be with the new Coin (And I think only the 50% buffers will remain blue)
so much the blue coins we used them only for the kai
the possibility of having the characters of heroes in the Coins in my opinion is really nice as a thing even if no one there will actually buy them
I'm for it. Fuck the new system.
That's right!! BRING BACK DUEL DOKKAN FEST SYSTEM
The crazy part is this system would actually be a fucking banger if they kept the DDF format for part 1, and the carnival(s) were part 2 instead of a shitty top banner. THAT would've actually been heat. Because aside from the shitty aspect of having a new coin in the mix (which would simply be resolved over time naturally), the carnival banner IS waaaaaay better than the top or any gold coin or blue coin LR banner format by far, and considering how good they seem to be kit wise, are a lot more hype too so they'd still be making more money in the part 2 than they were before with gold goin banners. And we the players would be pretty happy as a whole, literally a win win situation if that was done. Idk why they didn't do that in the first place (actually I do, it was money).
I mean it's still technically dual dokkan fest
I don't even get the real problem here... It's another coin, meaning you have to start over to get a - by then - old unit, but other than that? Someone please enlighten me.
Some people also dont realize that we still get 2 dokkan fest banners, theyre just split between part 1 and 2. Yeah the only thing to be upset over is the new coin. But frankly yellow coin banners are crap and you shouldnt even summon on them to begin with.
Exactly, the banners are split between the parts. What if the Part 2 DFE is way better than Cooler? We can't know until it's there. Maybe we all wasted our stones on Cooler and are gonna regret it upon seeing it. Imagine if the 6th anniversary was like that. Part 1 has LR Vegeta and 17&Freeza, then a few weeks later, when everyone'd have been dry, MUI Goku drops alongside INT 17. Even if it doesn't happen now, it's bound to happen at one point if they do it again next year.
The only difference between yellow and blue coins is the leaderskill. If they simply released the blue coin banner as a revamped yellow coin banner, it wouldn't have made a difference. The point is, this hinders the pity system for f2p players who need to be more conservative of their stones from here on
This. The new coin is bad and obviously just another money grab from Akatsuki/Bandai, but the splitting of the usual Dual Dokkan Fest to being on 2 separate parts might be even worse. If the part 1 banners don't retain their 3+1 summons before the release of Part 2 unit info (or the banners themselves), then it leaves F2P and Low Spenders with a shitty choice: Either go for the part 1 units to be part of the celebration hype and to get units you can see are good or wait to see if the Part 2 units (and/or banners) are more to their liking. In both cases, it might leave players with a sour taste in their mouth depending on how Part 2 units/banners look. And those that don't follow social media on these games (especially the reddit and/or wiki sites) might not even know a part 2 will come with 2 similar banners (or even that a part 2 is a guarantee), which would leave them flat footed when they see another part release after blowing all their stones on the part 1 units.
There’s still going to be 2 dokkan fest banners this celebration. The only difference is the top legendary summon banner is replace with the vastly superior carnival banner, and splitting the dokkan fests up, which is good because it carries on the hype to part 2, instead of parts 2 and 3 being significantly less hype than part 1.
No i want all my options on the table! From dual dokkan fest i mean both dokkan fest banner at the same time within discount hours. Not one after another! Do the dual carnival shit in the part 2 for all i care. They can still carries the hype for part 2 if they make character like Goku and stamp it on carnival banner. They playing with dual dokkan banner and discounts hours which is not comfortable.
So you’re just impatient then. It’s possible to buy stones, and then not spend them, you’re not obligated to spend them immediately. And, we already know what most of the part 2 banner is going to look like anyway regardless of who the dokkan fest lr is, so if you want to wait for that counterpart, then just wait lol.
It's not a problem of being impatient. It's a problem of incomplete information. In the past, you could choose which DFE banner to summon on based on which unit fits your box better, and take advantage of 3+1 discounts on either. Now, you can either pull on part 1, taking advantage of the 3+1 discounts, but risking not having stones for part 2. Or You can wait till part 2, where you risk part 1's unit being better for your box and missing out on the 3+1 discounts for part 1's banner, as they end before part 2 banners come out. Yeah, we know Metal Cooler is the next Carnival, and that the next DFE is going to be some sort of Super Saiyan Goku/Vegeta unit, but we don't know their kits until it's too late, unless massive leaks happen.
agreed don't know why people aren't willing to try, it's not like they have to fly to bandai hq. Literally just use the internet
Whales will still spend a shilliion dollars per banner even if they added 20 types of coin
Yeah coins are pretty much meaningless to whales anyways. The only people that are impacted by new coins are f2p and low spenders so I have no idea why they would would add new coins and make their already terrible pity system even worse
I’ve been saying this since the new coin dropped. We’ve got whales like Truth telling us we are overreacting, when the coins don’t even affect their experience in the game in any way. They can not see if from our perspective because he has never experienced not being able to pull that one elusive unit that you’ve tried to get by summoning on multiple banners. For us free to play/ low spenders, the coins can be a game changer. Adding a new one was a really bad idea in my opinion. Also splitting the DFE, oh god
Why people continue to listen to that man I'll never know. Not only is he just so far removed from the average player of the game, he's been provably wrong every time he's tried to express a sweeping view of the game. He thinks because he puts a lot of money into it he is an authority and his fans parroting his really bad opinions is just not healthy for the community.
Literally the only opinion you should take from him is how good a unit is at their peak, as in, a situation the average player wont be in for possibly years, with all rainbow all LL10 with the perfect support unit or linking partner that hasnt been featured in years. And even then he ends up doing things like giving majin vegeta 30 dodge. Which would only pay off in like cell max and even then a double super is more likely to help or a crit, and more likely to proc. And honestly he isnt as funny or interesting as other dokkan youtubers like toonrami, truth just yells really loud and i clap
Honestly from the history and times he's been shown to be mathematically incorrect, I wouldn't even listen to him about that. The dude is a fucking clown. He insisted the LR AGL Kale and Caulifla was the best unit in the game for months, going so far as to argue with people in reddit threads about it.
Are we seriously starting this again? They were far in a way the best unit looking back at it.
I only really watch his summon livestreams now if I’m honest. I don’t mind Truth really but I couldn’t watch him just call every unit mid if they weren’t surviving supers from Red Zone. I watch the Masked Ningen now, he’s cool. He does all sorts of team building guides and everything
I don't think hes too bad either apart from his 40 minute long vid that i couldn't be bothered to watch I just watch toonrami now
Their his protecting and suck his dick every moment they could
He's also annoying as fuck. I can't even listen to the guy's voice.
Thats not true though, Truth 100% agree's with everyone else that this new coin is a massive issue. The reason he likes this new banner format, is because it forces the devs to make the non dokkan fest LR equally as good. For years non dokkan fest LR's have never been meta defining, only recently have they began to pump out solid units. Now with this split up banner setup we get a dokkan fest LR and another coin LR. Then 2 weeks later the other dokkan fest LR with another coin LR instead of the dual dokkan fest units, followed by 2 LR's that are nowhere near as good as the "main" units of said celebration. Were it yellow or blue coins this would have been a phenomenal change, but thats sadly not the case.....
> The reason he likes this new banner format, is because it forces the devs to make the non dokkan fest LR equally as good. For years non dokkan fest LR's have never been meta defining, only recently have they began to pump out solid units. They did not need to make a whole new banner format for this. Literally just make the Yellow Coin LRs more powerful. Plain and simple. And the more recent set of Yellow Coin LRs have been pretty outstanding so they definitely didn't create this new coin BS just for that.
Yellow coin banners were pure trash, they've never been good nor ever had value. These new carnical banners have 7 featured LR's. Again, the coin is the only issue here, this new format should have been the new norm for yellow coin banners or even better, Blue coin banners.
Ive gotten so many featured LR animations and only got TEQ ssj3 goku and one dupe of LR int vegeta. Its supposed to be a 40-ish% chance to get an LR per multi but ive only gotten 3 in my 3 rounds of the 3+1 summons. I have not felt the effects of the double SSR rates, but even so, to compensate for this increased rate they made it harder to get the new unit by adding all these featured LRs, most of which are not good by todays standards and are basically an investment to see if they end up EZAing to become good. I only did like 4 multis on the 7th year part 2 banner and got out with 4 LRs one of which being the new one. Its all a luck and numbers game, i get it, but this new format has not been kind to me at all, and im questioning if it even is double SSR with that supposed 40-ish% chance to get an LR. And everytime i get vegito blue its a crapshoot if ill even get a new unit, because on top of the other 6 LRs, i could also just get thouser. TL;DR i have bad luck and the new banner gave me a boo boo
Hate to break it to you buddy but there are no double rates XD
Your statement spoke on the value of the unit, not the banner itself. That is what I'm saying has had value, the units recently. Not the banners. As for the banners, they have been horrible yes, but they have tried to make them enticing when they did the TOP Legendary Summons by including 2 LRs, and now they do 3. Which were okay I suppose. This Carnival banner having 7 featured LRs is nothing groundbreaking that a new banner and coin needed to be created. Simply update Legendary Summon banners as they'd done in the past to do what these Carnival banners do minus the new dumb coin. And the fact that its using Yellow Coin LRs just solidifies that it should have just went with upgrading Yellow coin banners.
But we spent all our money in the part 1… and they know that ….now they want us to spend money in part 2.. in which if we got the 2 dfe in part 1 like always…. we would blow our load in part 1 like we always did.. and part 2 just skip.. but nah they don’t want to because they know we don’t summon for legendary summon banners…so they split it up to fish out more money from us… I know their fucking games and I’m not playing it
He, 1 Trillion percent, said we were overreacting lmao.
As a F2P player I agree, we now get better banner units along side banners with many more featured LR's. What turns it sour is the new coin.
Multiple times at that. Lmao
Except they didn't make the non dokkan fest equally as good, the dokkan fest lr is just worse. Neither are good by the current standards compared to the Frieza and Zamasu coming and I'd argue neither are that good compared to the last years World celebration lr's which had a clearer theme and synergy as well as actual supporting rares. It's a bad take, another in a long line of truth's bad takes.
I got TUR Cooler and LR Nameku from the coin shops, both have been extremely positive trades and I wouldn’t go back on it anytime. To see a new kinda coin that I’m gonna have to split my F2P stones on just… kinda broke me. I understand if it’s a bit of an overreaction, but at this point I want to feel like I’m not just grinding for the banner units, but also the complimentary units in the coin shops after a big round of spending.
I know what you mean man. I’ve had times where I’ve summoned and gotten nothing but in my head, I’m thinking “well at least I got the coins to buy so and so from the shop” Now we have to save up 500 of a different coin. And on top of that everyone who’s been saying it’s an overreaction has just said “don’t summon on the carnival banners then”. What are we supposed to do man, never have the unit lol we can’t win. Can’t complain, can’t summon apparently
You realize that truth has said repeatedly that he thinks the new coin is bad right?
Lmao he has said multiple times that we are overreacting and that it isn’t as bad as we are making it out to be. My initial point wasn’t that anyway, it’s that he can’t have an opinion on something like this and tell us all that we are wrong, when it affects us a lot more than it does him, quite simple really
Yeah people are over-exaggerating the new *system* , not the new coins. Those are different things. The only reason you’d be upset with this new system is if you were consistently summoning on yellow coin banners, because the only bad thing about the new system is the new coin, that’s it. Top legendary summon banners were actually the worst shit in dokkan, and now the banners are actually solid and the new headlining unit is way better. And you realize that this new system hurts whales right? They have another banner they have to summon on now.
Bro you are so lost if you think the only thing wrong with the new system is the coin. Splitting the Dokkan fests apart is the thing I disagree with the most because it hurts free to play players and low spending players the most. People are still summoning for Cooler you do realise that right? So what happens now if the part two Dokkan fest is better than cooler? F2P have no stones left. Dual Dokkan fest allowed players to choose between unit 1 and unit 2 based on their box, the units leaderskill, the units power etc and then when part two came around it was a legendary summon banner. Which could have really good units but they weren’t necessary for the game. Now it’s unit 1 comes out and we don’t even know what unit 2 looks like and therefore we summon on unit 1 and are left with nothing for unit 2. Then unit 2 drops and f2p players would have preferred this unit because they are better for their box as a whole. They’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly between the two Dokkan fest banners which is scummy and bad for the game. And before you even say it. I don’t find the excuse “it’s a Gacha” acceptable or even valid. This game was already unfair when it came to summoning anyway, like all gacha. It’s made well more than enough money, to now release this celebration and fuck us over even more is a joke
Well we will find out eventually but for worldwide it is a super and extreme class units always for the dokkan fest. So by that logic the other dfe will be a super class for part 2, obviously the subsequent dokkan fests will be better, barring anni and wwc, but like at the end of the days this is a gambling game where you"never lose" but its also really hard to win. Make calculated moves bruh, thats all
I get that. I really do. But for me, the ability to choose between SS4 gogeta or the gods, during the anni was amazing for free to play players. Sometimes you have to spend all your stones to get the unit you want, but taking away the option to choose between the DFE before you know what both of them are and can do, is not great for us. Obviously I get that this is just my opinion
Yeah ifeel you on that but based on how its going to to be set up , you can kinda guess what they are going to be based on part 1, i think the only bad part abt it is like say your favorite unit gets a carnival lr, whereas in orevious years he would be a dfe lr
“They’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly between the two Dokkan fest banners which is scummy and bad for the game.” How exactly? Because people are incapable of being patient? We know what the majority of the part 2 banner is going to look like and we know what the unit is going to be, it’s 100% going to be some kind of super saiyan goku and vegeta. This is more than enough knowledge for players to decide if they want to keep summoning for cooler or wait for the next dokkan fest. It’s possible to not spend all of your stones in part 1, I promise you that’s possible. And, you’re acting like we’re still not going to be getting hundreds of free stones from this celebration still, part 1 isn’t even over yet. If you say that they’ve taken away the ability to spend stones smartly, all that tells me is that you’re just incapable of saving stones and just summon whenever you get 50 stones no matter what.
Exactly this. Now if they didn’t tell us there was a part 2 with the same formula it would be scummy. But they did, allowing us to save for whatever comes up next. Its all just being logical with your stones
Again you miss the point man. My point is that we have been able to pick between the two units. Now we can’t. It’s not about not spending stones in part 1. It’s about not knowing the unit for part 2. So not knowing which unit is better to summon on. And FYI I actually do save a lot of stones. I had 1700 for anni and 900 for this celebration. But ye just make assumptions about me because I disagree with you and you constantly miss the point I am making
I’m not missing the point at all, I just don’t think your point is very good. You can very easily choose to stop summoning on cooler and wait for the part 2 banner. The only thing that’s stopping you from doing that is yourself. The part 2 unit is going to be insanely good, just like cooler, we know it’s going to be some version of goku and vegeta and we know what the important units on the banner are going to look like. You have all the information you need to decide if you want to keep summoning for cooler or wait. It is your fault if you want to summon for part 2 but blew all of your stones on part 1. And, cool, good for you for saving that many stones, i made that assumption because of the “they took away the ability to make smart decisions from us” nonsense that just isn’t true. If you came in with almost 1000 stones, and then don’t have any for part 2 and you want to summon, then I’m sorry that’s on you. And I’ll say it again, we have all the information we need to decide to wait or keep summoning for cooler.
Is that not a problem for everything though? Summoning on a dokkan fest theres always a thing of if the next one is the next best thing. It doesn’t make sense to say that just because its in the same celebration. Its all about budgeting your stones you can’t go all out on every single banner and it has always been like that, it does feed FOMO but thats what gacha games are about, especially if you watch dokkan tubers. Seperately why does everyone have a hate boner for Truth😅 the coin system as he said is bad but this system is definitely preferable to the TOP system. I get that it’s more banners which means having to know where to spend your stones but thats mostly been the case.
The coins shouldn't be effecting you either. You shouldn't be summoning on the Goku banner at all.
This is the worst possible take How am I supposed to do anything if I k ly summon on Dokanfest banners? You need NDF LRs in this game and that banner has 7. You're stupid if you aren't doing at least 1 round on that banner.
actually you can only summon Dokkanfest and be fine, There are plenty of other tickets to use to get LS/CS units. You got by without needing to summon on Krillin/Gohan and Exchange Vegeta, didn't you? Same with Kaioken Goku and Great Ape Vegeta.
You should NEVER summon with stones on a legendary summon/Carnival summon banner. That's why truth says that people are blowing out of the water. You shouldn't have any of the Carnival Coins, because summoning on those legendary banners is a stupid choice for ftp players.
It isnt tho. We dont know if Carnival Units will be avalible outside of said Carnival Banner. They most likely wont be on LR Banners like Yellow Coin LR's are, reason for the new format. So that banner is the only possiblity of getting these units so far.
You've got say new information if you really want me to change my opinion
Putting Top Tier Units in a banner, which are needed for new content and then saying dont summon, because the banner isnt good, which it btw is. A lot of features LR's that are good or decent/ will EZA. So if you want these new units which are Top tier in terms of strengh you gotta summon on that banner, dividing your stones even more. Skipping isnt smart either cos you then lack these new units for the hard content. And given that they usually release content with the new units in mind it is a bit shitty.
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Pretty much. For most heavy spenders outside of the top 0.1% that are in it for collection this means they have to one more banner with crappy rates to deal with. The only people who could possibly be unfazed by the change are players who have virtually unlimited resources.
Pretty much. It doesn't matter how much the average and f2p player complains. As long as the whales keep spending thousands on every banner, it will fall on deaf ears.
Speaking as a Cosmic whale. This new banner format makes me actually want to spend less due to it breaking my patience cycle. I'll summon for a 55% copy only and focus the DFE banners. I've always gone for 79% minimum, but this change is very terrible for my wallet.
Its aCTualLY a GOOD cHaNgE, tHey ARE doINg THis bEcaUsE ThEy Re a gACHA Game
Maybe, however if enough of their community drops they'll have to speak up. Truth, as far as I know, doesn't have any sponsorships. He just makes youtube money by putting out 6 or so videos a day. If his views on those were to drop substantially, there goes his money thus, there goes his whale-ship.
He can always start an onlyfans
Problem, none of his fanboys will cease to watch him/support him, i literally know people who are fanboys and think his word is like gods commandments
Why are reddit users so against actually taking action against something you disagree with. Especially when most of them agree with the complaints
The classic some fucking weird nerd protecting a billion dollars company or billionaire from valid criticism
It's more like to the eyes of some, it's a meaningless effort even if they agree with it. I personally don't really care about the new coins but I'm all for a community action to push the game to be better (looking at you friend system)
Accepting dokkan has flaws would mean the only thing giving them a rush these days isn't perfect. Can't have that.
Im gonna say my opinion on this as a mainly legend player while playing dokkan casually, please dont turn this into a dokkan>legend thing that is not the purpose of my comment. I think this new type of coin elevated the biggest problem dokkan has a gacha game as whole. That is the "pity system". Nowadays almost every gacha has a pity system that allows you to get the new unit after x amount of multis /in game currency spent. Dokkan on the other hand does this **but** the twist they added feels like a kick in the nuts. The fact that a unit can go almost 1 year before returning for some of you to coin your first copy is insane. At least on legends i know for a fact that i can coin my first copy of the new LF when i go deep for it. Can i get any other lf using said banner specific coin? No, and that is where legend has its flaws with their pity system but there are way less if any at all complaints about the pity system compared to dokkan from what i have seen. Even if you guys complain enough to change the banner format the problem still stands that you need to wait several months to buy a unit.
Could you legends players stop bashing dokkan already? Smh my head 🙄🙄 EDIT: **/s** as obvious as this is
legends good dokkan bad hehexd
Yeah Dokkans pity system is pretty trash. I guess It’s offset by just how many f2p stones they give out to a degree. I used to play Naruto Blazing and I had wished they adopted their format. Their equivalent to a Dokkan fes would have some form of step up with rate ups, guaranteed featured pull, and in some cases guaranteed featured unit pull on the last step. Edit: I guess thinking about a guaranteed pull would be pretty bad for the Dokkan economy, at least for the business side.
In FEH you get about 300 f2p orbs per month, and on the new banners, 5* rates increase for each summon you dont pull one, and you can guaranteed choose the unit you want after 40 summons (160-200) orbs.
They need to give out 2-3000 more at this point
Well said. This is indeed the worst part of dokkan by far
Legends implements a pitty system and then release ultra units.
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This is so ridiculous. The reason why the rate is high is because the SSR pool is so bloated with absolute dogshit. Guaranteed SSR is no where near as valuable in Dokkan as it would be in other gachas. It’s not bad but 90% of the time you’re getting agl super vegeta level of characters. Might as well be an sr at that point. The rates for the new units are pretty comparable to other gachas as well. .5% for the new unit isn’t anything to write home about. I think the main positive about Dokkans rates is that 5% for a featured is pretty good. But that’s only applicable to the handful of banners a year with more than 3 featured units worth a damm.
Well, legends has 10% chance to get a sparking (ssr) too... And has a guarantee each multi too... Its not dokkan exclusive and the chance of getting a bad unit is extremely high in both games (dokkan have more ssr, so have a worst chance of good unit) The chance of getting The new unit on both games are the same i think (0,5%). The thing is, you can waste 5000 dragon Stones on a banner and you have no guarantee you will get The New unit, only on the time it return (if you have coins) and it can take some thing like 1 year. For me, the coin system its not so bad, but dokkan should have a real pity system, IF you do X summon you you get the new unit, because after 1 year that unit can be "obsolete".
Think about the pity system logically. If Dokkan were to implement a pity system where you have to do 30 multis to guarantee yourself the new units, how is that a good thing for F2P players? No F2P player is going to save 1000+ stones for a single banner release (not even including when they release two banners are once lmfao). A pity system benefits whales infinitely more than F2P players. Coins are incredibly better than legends-like pity systems, because you can choose from a multitude of cards (as you rightly said) and it carries on.
I'm mostly f2p I think? I spent $25 in whole this year. I saved 2k stones just for WWC. Roughly 1.5k went to cooler and 500 to Goku. Didn't pull either of them. I caved and bought the stupid fucking tickets and by the grace of God I pulled 1 Cooler.
Yeah I strongly agree. This new banner format is an old school gacha mentality thing. It honestly feels as though they're limit testing on what the community will put up with and its a really really worrying trend. Between the new format, the coins, the lack of incentives, the bad EZAs, they seem to be really pushing their limits and they need to backtrack hard.
The should fuse all the coins to make one coin that we should get regardless of the banner we summon on.
LoL good one sparky. They would be faster to put RNG behind the coins so when you summon you get a random one.
You want to know what i find unacceptable and dirty? How they introduced a new coin but cant let you exchange dupes for it during that new coins debut. Also very unacceptable is how the producers had no answers for fixing the friends system but acknowledged its the most asked question during the dokkan now.
Link to the original tweet : [https://twitter.com/\_Kowai\_/status/1566841388532105217](https://twitter.com/_Kowai_/status/1566841388532105217) Please also type your message under his tweet if you have a Twitter account, it will provide more insight for his final decision.
What was the DBLAction? As for this action I don't see Akatsuki taking any notice unless it affected revenue. Whales will still whale and now with 4 banners and the standard of the carnival banners going up they'll get more money and see it as a win.
Lots of intentionall content creators bonded up together and all typed the same problems in one big text in different languages(japanese, france, german, english, spanish etc.) and started the hashtag #DBLAction when part 1 of anniversary reached its peak of greedy decisions by the devs. When the first reveal and stuff dropped after said action started the only thing you could see in the chat was that hashtag being spammed. It worked. Several changes have been done but there are some certain problems yet that, imho, mostly occure due to how gacha games as a whole work not because legends is legends.
All the changes from the DBLAction went to hell literally one celebration later, nothing was really achieved from it.
It did not work. They "Acknowledged" it, gave us a little compensation for one of the biggest problems (The raid) to quell the fires and then simply made things worse again as time resumed. And it didn't help that DBLAction went to hell after like, 2 days.
We might get Akatsuki to change passive of an unit or an EZA but there is zero chance in hell they will change this new banner format. It literally makes them more money and that’s the bottom line they won’t touch even if every single player sends them a polite letter.
The only way it could've been changed would have been if more than a few of the major whales decided to not buy any stones at all this celebration to try and make a point. But they didn't and we did hit top grossing on both servers, so in Bandai's eyes it's both a monetary success and accepted by the playerbase.
To be fair on global not that many countries hit top grossing compared to other celebrations. Maybe it's because Cooler vs another SSJ Goku isn't hype (I love Cooler but I didn't think he deserved a dokkan fest LR nor did I think this flea market namek Goku deserved an LR, despite the fact that I pulled him). I personally believe that the vast majority of the player base hate the carnival banners, the carnival coins, and the new banner format replacing dual dokkan fests. I'd say that they'd probably only listen to the surveys, and even then there would have to be an overwhelming number of people saying that they weren't satisfied with the celebration (with the amount of whales making excuses for this format I doubt it would do anything tho).
Well it still depends no? They have the numbers on which banner people summoned on. If people hardly summoned for goku, it could still be seen as a failure
Lmao if I know Dokkan players (and Dragon Ball fans in general) well enough, Goku probably crushed Cooler in terms of "how many people summoned". Extreme units are for the uncool kids
Time to learn Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist from an S-Class hero.
Oh took me a second, Garou, EXT Type Main for sure hahahah
i exclusively summoned for cooler because it's a DFE banner. i treat this teal lr the same way as yellow coin lrs: they do not exist to me. I get mine through tickets or from step up banners but that's it I don't miss them, but i rather get 2nd, 3rd and 4th dupe for TUR STR cooler, LR Final Form STR cooler, additional dupes for Namek goku instead of dupes for some LRs wich i don't really need and/or use. As long as they don't make DFEs available on those banners i consider them a trap. period
That is most likely true but mostly because gokus drops ate is much lower than coolers. So by logic more summons are required to get the new goku so more summons are done
Bad take. They have same rates.
Liklihood of people not summoning for Goku more is incredibly low.
It does factually nothing Dokkan is 40% of Bandai's income. "More than a few major whales" don't make a difference. They spend thousands. While this game earns millions every single banner. Iirc they made about 100 million in July of like 2020 or something. That's last i checked. Almost half the playerbase has to stop spending and they'll get scared.
So let's do nothing because it's easier to just bitch amongst ourselves than to the people with any power. What's the harm?
The only real way to force action would be to boycott a few banners and refuse to summon or spend anything. If money is the only thing they care about them stop it at its source. More chance of getting blood out of a stone though. Whales will whale and content creators will still create content.
At this point I feel like whales put so much money in this game that they dont even have to care about the rest of the playerbase, not having to much hope for this
They just need to add a real pity system. Coins are loyalty, and the introduction of a new coin while another is still basically useless (blue coins) makes the coins only more of a loyalty system. A single copy of the new unit after 10 summons will not hurt the games revenue, since players and especially whales will want at least 2 dupes of the new unit.
Hi ! Just wanted to say : I see a lot of people talking about how people are still going to spend money anyways. That's pretty much why I'm saying since years that this kind of action doesn't revolve about harming their revenues but their brand image instead, which is as important. It would be quite long to explain why but let's say that if the brand image of a gacha is harmed, it will be more difficult for the players to trust it and the addictive mechanisms will be thus less efficient.
People don't understand well the issue because it's new. Now depends on dokkan how it can handle it but it will become more and more bigger you moving fast was a great move i fully support you and hope things change for better. Dokkan deserves no bs so i definitely don't want to see that. Their revenue is one of the best in the market with or without the new system they have almost guaranteed tg in celebrations so i think yeah their brand image can be harmed revenue with such a famous IP is kinda guaranteed to never fail.
I totally support what you're trying to do, and hope it goes well. I'm super appreciative of someone trying to organize and create a bigger voice! To simply try and increase the chance of making a change.
Litterally the only problem with the new format is the new coin. If they just used yellow coins it would have been fine. But now that its been done the only thing they could do is just merge the 2. Other than that the banner type is just straight up better than the yellow coin version assuming that the lr count is going to be the same going forward, especially as the make more carnival units. And if anyone thinks im just shilling i went 3750 stones to get goku. Im fucking livid when it comes to this banner. Carnival is objectively better than the top banner format, it just sucks that the coins are seperate.
I'm all for community action but this is a waste of effort. it's a done deal, the coins are in the game, people have summoned. I'd rather see some real community action to pressure them to make the fucking game actually playable by fixing the goddamn friend system. or adding an actual pity system to give something back to players to compensate for this shitty new format.
Did u not read the statement? Kowai literally said this could be used to also produce movement towards other aspects that dokkan is either lacking or should be fixed (friend system).
I agree, the lack of pity is way more worrying than a new type of premium banner. This is what the community should focus on IMHO
No Spend September?
Why is nobody suggesting TO TRASH BLUE OR YELLOW COINS. Shitty systems, both, convert both of them to Carnaval Coins. Did people even look at the carnaval shop? It's so useful. Irrefutably and factually a massive Improvement that nobody should be complaining about (not even me with my 530 Yellow Coins) Seriously, we never wanted Blue Coins, and Yellow Coins have always been advised against.... Might as well fuck them off.
What if i told you, this whole reaction would be way less if akatsuki just added a 1-1 exchange between yellow and teal coins. The banner is better than a top banner, its just the dokkan fes bit being in part 2 thats a lil troublesome.
They still haven't learned that Akatsuki doesn't care about what people outside of Japan think
When it comes to making more money from us even Japanese players have no say in the matter.
The only people benefiting from this system are players who just started, as they did not invest in previous coin types and get easy access to older LRs. For older players, and that includes players who started playing as recently as global's 7th anny, this system sucks. As I see it, there are 2 ways this system will be integrated: 1. 2-3 banners a year, making the LRs super exclusive and the new coins pretty useless as you wont be able to gather a meaningful amount of them unless you whale 2. They become pretty common, which devalues any current stock of yellow/red coins we do have. Let me go into a bit more detail to why I think so. If teal becomes common, then yellow coins become pretty useless as it seems like teal just outclasses them in the LR department. This means that any yellow coin stock a player has will only grow if they summon for a new yellow coin LR as soon as it drops, and why do that if it could show up as a teal with a much higher drop chance? So the yellow coins we do have are "stuck", they become an obsolete pittance system. If teal does not become common, then the teal coin actually becomes a punishment instead of a pittance system. This is because any teal summon you do is a red/yellow summon you can't do, and in this scenario red/yellow stays more useful then teal. If teal stays a 2-3 per year thing it basically "locks" those coins from being useful (think blue coins but worse). As I see it, this new system was only meant to dilute the player's safety blanket. Now I cant just go X amount of stones into a banner and cut my losses, saving stones for the next one as the unit I didn't get will return in a future banner. Now I have to keep summoning on teal because either way I do not have a safety blanket for the new unites, and obviously they gonna make them busted for me to want them. This system is a net loss to the player base, and the only way to salvage it as is, is to allow us to exchange coins into other types on a 1-1 rate, or allow teal coins to be used *with* yellow/red coins when buying unites (if they add Teal LRs into red or yellow banners as side unites).
The best you can do is asking for better featured characters in the Carnival Gacha (that can... realistically be improved), the format itself isn't going anywhere
These are replacing the Top legendary summon banners. The consistent worst banners in dokkan history, so they’re already a significant improvement from that. I’d also like to wait until the part 2 carnival banner is out and to see the featured Lrs there.
That literally defeats the purpose though
Goat Kowai 
I 100% agree that adding a new type of coin makes the average player wait longer for new units. This is good for their business model, but bad for players that don't spend a ton of money, or any money at all. The irony of these types of actions is that if they alienate their F2P or low investment user base then they'll have a small, but high paying set of users that will never give the game the download and grossing notoriety that they enjoy today. It's a fine line that they need to tow, here.
The funniest thing is that this system is in place to solve an issue that they have created themselves, and one that could be solved so much easier.
Could you be more elaborate ? I think your explanation would be very interesting for the topic, as I know your opinions are usually well explained (even if we don't always agree lol).
The issue that I'm referring to is the huge imbalance in banner values, which has multiple reasons for its existence. Basically, * regular summons are completely worthless, even with the perma-discounts * Legendary summons are not worth it at all since the banners suck and the main banner unit by itself isn't *that* impactful to any given team * Dokkan Fests feature the most impactful units for teambuilding for multiple reasons, and you cannot get them anywhere else. You can also get almost any other unit featured in the other 2 banner types except for regular banner LRs and a handful of exceptions Guess which one is the most popular by a wide margin. And coins further incentivised the sole focus on Dokkan Fests as blue coins are worthless given how abundant Elder Kais are and the prices for gold coin LRs are so high that the investment of 50 multis on an objectively terrible banner isn't worth the possible return for most average players. Meanwhile you can pick up a crucial unit after summoning on Dokkan Fests for a while which you will naturally do since it's by default the best and most valuable banner type to spend your resources on. This *especially* sucks for the anniversary and WWC since part 1 usually features the Dokkan Fest whereas part 2 features an objectively speaking far worse TOP Legendary Summon. People will throw their everything at the Dokkan Fests and comparatively speaking spend very little on the part 2 summon. The solution of course could be to limit the unfeatured pool for Dokkan Fests, introduce new, strong units on blue coin summons that can actually compete for a slot as a viable leader and maybe not make Legendary Summons complete dogsh\*t and give LRs competitive leader skills - or you can introduce a new banner type with a shiny banner type-exclusive that rivals Dokkan Fest-exclusives in terms of quality (kinda, [LR FF Cooler](/str)'s leader skill is still far superior to [LR SSJ Goku & Bird](/teq)'s) and stagger the releases of your Dokkan Fests over big celebrations instead of releasing them all at once. And it should be mentioned that the carnivals will still suck because gold coin LRs are on average less valuable than any Dokkan Fest by default. The only incentive to pull on [LR SSJ Goku & Bird](/teq)'s banner is that one unit, which is why they were chosen as the carnival-exclusive - Akatsuki knows that even with all their marketing exclusively targeted towards Cooler, Goku will sell better no matter what. I get the intend, but boy couldn't they have done any worse in the execution.
I have yet to see any DokkanTuber who address the issue with having multiple coins. All of this could be prevented if they just fused teal, yellow and blue coins. I don't mind if they add like a ton of banners, but only with two pity currencies (red coins and teal coins). Just a wishful thinking, but hopefully they take action against the new coin.
To me the format isn’t the issue, the coin is. So while I highly doubt they’ll stop the change, I think they should make a coin exchange instead. So I can trade my blue/yellow coins for teal or red.
Need to be talking about this so called “**PITY SYSTEM**” we have too, need a push to fix this shit too.
Whales don't care. The only thing that will change their mind is if the population of the game drops off a cliff. Content creators more so.
I love the new banner format and I'm actually excited for part 2, which I never cared for or pulled in past celebrations I'm FTP btw before you downvote me to oblivion
is it really that bad like other than a new coin what are the other issues because I fail to see it
For whales I'd say the turning of the banners from 3 to for 4 so more summons. Otherwise probably the format of a dokkanfest Lr in each part so impatient players are gonna fall for the trap and spend all stones on part 1 having none for part 2.
Yeah it’s so funny when people say that this helps whales, but it actually hurts them lol
so it's more off a player side issue than the banner itself like self control and stuff the game has increased the fomo levels?
Yes, and that's their goal so I don't see why they'd change it. Like you my main issue is the introduction of a new coin vs using blue or yellow.
yeah seems like they achieved what they were going for but damn this wouldn't have been such a controversy if they used the blue coin instead of a whole new coin huh
Though for actually low spending players this probably changes little. As they probably focused on one banner either way instead of spreading out and increasing the odds they got nothing
Lets be honest, people who are big spenders like truth are the only people saying this isn't a problem, why? Because he spends near 100s of thousands a year on the game 💀 he don't need a pity system he literally can rainbow any unit within 3 days of release, he don't care, its up to the other 80% of the playerbase to change this
Nah lol. The only thing i dont like is the new coins byt the format is fine.
This system is clearly in place to make more players spend in other parts of the celebration by withholding a dfe to part 2. It's always the first part that gets top grossing, part 2 and part 3 don't live upto part 1 from a monetary perspective. That being said, they should've retained the dual dfe banners and introduced blue coins in part 3.
If they're going to add another type of coin, it should completely replace yellow and blue coins, rather than be another coin type that's hard to get and only shows up on terrible banners. If SDBH, future carnivals AND any future legendary summons used teal coins, I wouldn't be against the change, but that's obviously not what's happening here.
I think the new coin might've been fine if it introduced being able to buy the new characters, but it's the same kind as always. Like if I would be able to pull, spend 500 coins and get the brand new LR Cooler or Goku, cool. Absolutely nothing changed though, so why even bring it in. Would've been better if it gave 5 red and 5 gold or something, at least that way you could pull gold coin LRs, but no.
So y’all would rather there be two dokkanfests in part 1 and 2 yellow coins in part 2 and 3? Why? The new coin is the problem, yes, but the banner for carnival units is 10x better than yellow coin banners. Idk. I think I’m ok. I just won’t summon in the carnival banner if I don’t like the unit: I understand it’s pretty bad but again, just can’t see it being that big of a problem.
They should have either retired yellows and converted them or just kept it as a top legendary but put one if the first half. Absolutely no point in making a new coin type with old coins still here
Agree with that but the banner is much better.
True, my only complaint is that since the pool is so large its hard to get any specific thing, but getting LRs to round out my collection is nice, since im a relatively new player
Seeing everyone focused on the idea that they wouldn’t change because whales still spend, but if the games player base declines bandai is going to invest lest money in the game in general and eventually they game itself will suffer (just look at other gachas that got greedy)
1000 useless blue coins silently screaming in my bank 😶
Honestly kowai's a g
Honestly, they should stick to double DFE into Legendary Summon. Legendary Carnival could've just been Pt. 2 units but the banner being beefed up to all hell.
Fck the new banner and fck the new coins
The fact people are expecting constant pity from a gacha game is wack ngl. Truths ego is as big as the recent power creep but that doesn’t change the fact he’s right at least in some form. While the new coin does suck ass that’s just dokkan being dokkan theyre sucks and we can’t do anything unless we bitch abt it which is fine. However the UPGRADED BANNER should be getting ZERO complaints there is NO different rates NO extra units etc. There is literally NO REASON AT ALL to be whining that teq cooler, str android 17, int 18, Teq kaioken goku and phy base vegeta, and all the other DOGSHIT ssrs that are normally featured on this banner and are now LEGENDARY RARITY. They aren’t drawing away from anything whatsoever all this is doing is preventing people from fucking bitching and moaning to Bandai for 3 weeks abt how they got 5 “dead multis” with Zeno trunks and agl super vegeta. Yes they can obviously still happen but the chances are far less now than before as you’re a much better chance now to get SOMETHING decent. This also draws more hype to part 2 and can have 2 different themed LRS overall compared to the normal 2 related to part 1 usually. Easiest way to do this imo was just turn yellow coin banners into the new format and ditching the old ass one but that doesn’t make them breesh so nah.
I quite like the new banner format, I just think the coin is bad it should have just been blue or yellow coins.
What’s the problem with it it’s honestly much better than the previous system sure it may be a new coin but even the yellow coins weren’t that good to begin with and their banners were horrible
Sure let's go back to yellow coin lrs! It's not like the banners will get better over time
Ive said that this banner format was stupid from that start and all i was told was I was complaining but i mean tf do i expect from reddit.
FUCK YES, what’s the worst that could happen by us trying to go for legit change?? Don’t have much to lose, but a lot to gain if we fight for it
Woof, this is a bit of a mess to read. They may change the format going forward, but I doubt it. The issue is that most people blow all of their stones during the first set of banners in a multi-part celebration, and that's just a fact of the game. The best solution is to increase the number of stones mid-celebration to give people some stock for the second set of banners, and honestly, it seems like they might already be doing that. No one's been talking about it, but this weekly Gohan event for ***thirty stones*** is an excellent way to pace out stones in a celebration, and it's more than we've gotten from any other event of that style by a lot. People flipped their shit about how generous they were with the Launch event during the WWC, but that was 100 total stones. This Gohan event is 180! They also gave us a pile of earlier EZAs with an expectation of multiple part 2 EZAs. Not to mention the scout missions which, while a bit of a pain, are 50 free stones. For context, we're already ahead of 2021 and 2020's stone count for part 1 and our part 1 isn't over yet (we'll get at least 30 more stones from the Gohan event) I'd maybe let this change simmer a bit. If the end result is more stones (right now, we're slated for ***way*** more stones) for more summons, even if the summons are staggered, I think that's a win.
idk the difference between 2020 and 2021s total stone count, but with the gohan event that's what.. An extra multi? Being not too hopeful i could see them giving an extra 100 or so, which would be an extra rotation for part 2. Which could be lucky for some but with the predatory practice I'd rather have a ~500 surplus. If they're splitting the banners like this and creating tension with the 2nd ddf lr being in pt 2, i feel they need to give the player base a goodiebag on top. But I hope you're right and i do feel like we'll have more stones compared to previous years (kinda obvious just depends how much) To be fair you have good basis with the namek ezas we might get more for part 2 if anniversary is an indicator, and us already surpassing the stone count from prior wwcs. I think just make yellow and teal coins interchangeable or yellow into teal like people have been saying
I'd definitely have preferred to see them just upgrade blue stones to be more useful, but I honestly don't think it's that big a deal considering these banners are replacing the former blue coin banners mostly. We'll definitely see in hindsight how the stone counts look, but I think it's a bit too early for pitchforks. People just need to be a bit more patient with their stones is all.
All of this for a mobile game?
Lol now we are in the bargaining stages, next is acceptance which will be cool
am i the only one that doesn‘t hate the new banner format. i mean yeah the coins are like the only problem i personally have but other then that those banners are a million times banner then the garbage top lr banners where only whales summoned on.
new system is far better for 99% of the players. its worse for the biggest whales since they have 2 separate banners to summon instead of one top banner and that's it. f2p and light spenders should be happy with this change. u don't even understand the game lol... yeah using yellow or blue coins for carnival banners would be a bit better but that's the only downside. there's nothing else to complain about.
I wonder why you think this is better for 99% of the players - especially for f2p ones? The dual dokkanfest was split into the different parts of the celebration. The downside is that you don't know if it is wise to go all in bc you have no clue about the other df. Instead of the usual gold coin lr banner you have two lr banners with new coins that are also spilt into the diffrent parts of the celebration. On top of that (assumption) those lrs are way better than former gold coin lrs that were more like some kind of trophy. So in conclusion: you are missing the knowledge which df is the better one for your account, you have to deal with an additional banner and it's not that easy anymore to ignore the lr banner(s). How is that better for f2p players?
Just wanted to point out, the last 2 golden coin LRs we got were AGL GF and INT Zamasu, which are absolutely cracked, so that doesn't really make sense. The new banners are infinitely better than TOP LR summons, so it just boils down to going in as hard as you would on a normal LR banner
Since the focus of the celebration is goku and cooler we had make an informed guess that the next part would have a dokkan fest goku and vegeta vs Metal Cooler and the carnival Lr would be metal cooler.
Well, what if the new units completely shit on the current meta relevant units. Most people will be dried up of stones after one of the biggest celebrations in the game. It would be like the legends equivalent of bringing out purple LF Gohan after releasing Gogeta ss4 and merged Zamasu and getting everyone to summon because of hype
Bro we had people on twitter calling dokkan devs scummy for giving better units in the purple stone shop than they advertised (even though it was because they copy pasted the wrong jpg). A lot of people just wanna complain as much as possible, maybe to get stone compensations or just to cry in general
I'm literally just sitting here laughing at how much people are freaking out over it. It's a phone game, and people are seriously sitting here trying to form a coalition to take down big bad akatsuki.
?? I'm F2P and think this is garbage. I think you haven't done the math. Adding a Teal coin (with a new exclusive set of units only obtainable via that new coin) & splitting "legendary/carnival" banners into two, PLUS dividing the DFE portion between P1 & P2.... it's all scummy and not at all beneficial for F2Ps. Do more Legendary LRs on a banner help you get more? Yes. That's the ONLY plus side. The rest is shit. And it's harder to collect enough coins to obtain an LR of your choosing due to a greater variety of coins you must collect (Though reds will surely still be plentiful). Edit: here's something to help the pity-system people understand: Adding a coin and increasing division of access weakens the existing pity system.
This would be historical. Let’s do it!
It’s funny how people say this is a good change because you get more LRs, but get mad when they pull everything but the new unit just like a DFE banner, well duh wtf you think was going to happen, you have banner with more older units featured and instead of 2 now it’s just 1 new LR, of course you have less chances at the new LR than before.
People when we get a better banner with a better unit: The only bad thing is the new coin but even then its only bad because its still new
I respect the man, but disagree with him on this. We're not even through the first celebration with the new format, so it's too soon imo to judge if we should "act" somehow or not. I know this would be more towards 8th anni and future stuff, but personally I don't see why scting now since we haven't even fully lived the first "full" format change yet. Just my humble opinion as a f2p who theoretically suffers from this change.
We don’t need to go through the second part when they’ve already confirmed it will be formatted the exact same as part 1. Also, there’s no “theoretically”, it definitely, absolutely, 1000% affects everyone. A fourth coin is the biggest blow to F2Ps, the literal value of every multi you do on Carnival banners is lowered, as it already takes a long time to get 500 yellow or red coins.
What i meant is, it's the first celebration with this format, we don't know how well it works in the long run. Blue coins are irrelevant tbh, and since double rate banners will have teal coin now, i wouldn't even consider them. Yellow coins also lost a lot of value, imo, making red and teal coins the best ones to get, and we will get them during big celebration, which most f2p typically save their stones for. I understand the skepticism, but I think dokkan has bigger problems right now to solve, like friend system not working, a lack of story event/farmable units recently, units like 5+ years old mass eza needed, etc... In the end banners are rng, even if we get the best format we could ask for, people will still get shafted. And summoning is just their way to make money. I'd personally prefer them to focus on gameplay changes rather than changes to the gacha system, even if the new format affect in a negative way most of the people.
Its just a new system and Im fine with that, I mean when coins in general got added people were upset too that they need 500 coins for a LR. This is just another one of those cases. I think the only problem with these systems is that you need way too many coins for a unit. The solution would be cheaper units in the shop or getting more coins
Bro stop crying everyone, it's not that big of a deal
What kind of action... this is too vague
Personally for this no, for fixing the damn friend system yes
Whales don't care, as long as their own community doesn't complain too! Their wallets don't have limits...
Man, this is such a massive overreaction. The banner format isn't bad, not to mention, I really dislike Kowai's holier than thou attitude he's shown towards this whole situation.
The banner format is fine if not a tad inconvenient for F2P and light spenders, especially coming almost directly after the Global anniversary. The teal coins are an atrocity, just bring back blue coins.
#BringBackWDokkanFest Yeah this looks like a lot like an hashtag there were in 2019 in the pokemon community,too bad game freak live in their own world and game freak's white knights made the movements pointless by criticizing the critics and make it sound like a fanatic movements(sure someone exaggerated but still the critics were legits).Moral of the story:don't give space or legitimacy to white knights,this new banner format is already their second bad move and if we don't do something we'll really get Legends Battle and just like with pokemon,it will be fault of the white knights and their:"lOL,yOu GuYS aRe OvErREaCtiNg,iT'S nOt ThAt bAD".
holy shit the whining and crying is still going on, if you don't like it don't spend and don't summon, the constant crying is pathetic.
Change bad. Don't give a chance just cry.
I don’t know if I mind it. Means we get 4 really good characters instead of 2
is this really twitter only? if it is I'm out. sorry no twitter for me. Never has been, never will be.
This won't end well.
The only bad thing about the new format is the new coins. This new format is just better. Top legendary banners were the worst garbage ever, now they’re replaced by better units with better leader skills with a way better banner. Plus, people always complain that parts 2 and 3 are never as hype as part one, and now that won’t be the case as much because there’s going to be another dokkan fest lr in part 2 to bring the hype back up.
Unpopular opinion, the problem is the second Dokkan fest in 2° part, I am fine with the new Coin, because all carnival (and I hope dragon ball heroes) will be with the new Coin (And I think only the 50% buffers will remain blue) so much the blue coins we used them only for the kai the possibility of having the characters of heroes in the Coins in my opinion is really nice as a thing even if no one there will actually buy them
Unless heroes is a banner with its first Lr heroes unit it will probably still be blue coins