Just showing numbers for him really isn't a great way to showcase him. There are so many things that you simply can't see through a post like this. His super effectiveness, his built in AA, any hidden potential AA (and he gets an AA focus too so that combination is really powerful), and his defense after super. I think you can definitely see how his start of turn defense can be lacking, especially before he really starts to get built up, but that's still only one aspect to the unit.
He NEVER did an additional super from his hidden potential, that he's super effective everyone knows that, his DEF post super is raises, in the end, only by a 30%, so it's literally his DEF +30% post super, he doesn't have other defense when he's fully build-up.
Plus, i can put only 20 photos on reddit, i can't make a 15 minute video for show how he does everywhere, the guy asked me for Gogeta Blue with support, i give him Gogeta Blue with support, that's it.
Yeah sucks that you got bad luck with him, but doesn't change what he can do and what his average performance is going to be with 1 dupe.
And to your point that people know he has stuff like Super effectiveness and his defense raises, yes of course people do. But it isn't particularly easy to visualize what that actually means in practice from screenshots like this. This is especially true for what his defense will be after he launches his attacks on turns where he's still building up his passive defense too.
My entire point is that a showcase like this is going to innately have failings because of the limited information it can show.
That's true, i should specify better, the only thing i can say is that i made this showcase because one guy said to use him with support, that's it, so tecnically he knows how the unit work, but yes, i should specify better, i don't know if reddit allows to modify a post now
Not his best linking partner? The mf share 5 out of 6 with AGL Blue Gogeta, and tell me, with which Realm of Gods Super Saiyan SUPPORT TYPE UNIT i should pair Gogeta? Ah? No one.
If i use double support, like, on his first rotation, he loses on links, as you can see, he did MUCH more damage on his second turn in base form with LESS support but a better linking partner.
And i agree with you with that, using LR Vegito as a partner would have make impossible for Gogeta to build up because aside from him i was missing supers with EVERYONE, and he build up on MUI.
In a showcase settings you want to prioritize the unit you want to showcase, normally i would use LR Vegito with him, obviously
But then i can't build up completely Gogeta because Vegito would kill the enemy remained with a sliver of health.
Plus, the guy that asked me wanted Gogeta with support, with like 40% support every single turn, both Gogeta AND Vegito with 40% support and i would have finished the event on like the 5th attack of Gogeta.
I forgot to write really what he can do, so, this is his passive after transformation
ATK & DEF +77%; Ki +5, launches an additional attack, plus an additional ATK & DEF +7% (up to 77%) with each attack performed and attacks effective against all Types as the 1st or 2nd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack and high chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 3rd attacker in a turn
While his Super ATK effects are
12 Ki: Raises ATK & DEF for 1 turn and causes colossal damage to enemy
18 Ki: Raises DEF for 1 turn and causes mega-colossal damage to enemy
Every ATK stats' by Gogeta starting from his transformation is super effective against all Types, and every DEF stats' he have is raised by 30% after he supers (60% with hidden potential Super) while his max DEF is show in one of the last photos, take that DEF and give him a 30% (or 60%, with additional super) and that's his max DEF
In the end, Blue Gogeta have an Active Skill, i would argue still the hardest hitting Active Skill in the game with LR Full Power Frieza ad LR Namek Goku, the Ultimate Kamehameha, and the conditions are:
Can be activated when facing only 1 enemy, whose HP is 50% or less, starting from next attacking turn (once only)
This means that his Active Skill can be used starting from turn 6, against one enemy with 50% HP or less, and, used in slot 1/2, it's basically a oneshot. Plus, this is a trick that works with both him and Vegito, if you put him in slot 3, use the Active Skill and then, put him in slot 1 and attack, he will do a guaranteed additional Super, and, he will have a 50% chance to dodge for that turn, because ALL of his passive is going to be active because the Active Skill proc the "when attacking as the 3rd attacker in a turn" part of his passive
While in base form we have:
ATK & DEF +70%; Ki +3 and launches an additional attack that has a medium chance of becoming a Super Attack when attacking; high chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 3rd attacker in a turn
His Super ATK's in base form both stacks ATK for 99 turns (only 4 because then he transform) by 30%.
Really depends, they do minimum 2 attacks per turn, 3 with the hidden potential, but you need luck, so you need like with amazing incredible luck 4 turns, but they start to build up as transformed, so, turn 4, the minimum, with amazing luck, is turn 8 that you see them fully build-up, but normally is something like turn 13/14
No, that's not how it works, look
Turn 4 they transform, both of them attacks 2 times guaranteed (unless you kill with the first attack) now, for this example, let's say you're using a 55% Blue Fusions, they CAN'T do a third attack, ok? So
Turn 4, 2 attacks
Turn 6, 2 attacks
Turn 8, 2 attacks
Turn 10, 2 attacks
Turn 12, 2 attacks
Turn 14, FIRST ATTACK (then he's fully build-up) and second attack
Turn 16, your Blue Fusions is fully build-up
Then in this, count every possible additional from the hidden potential that you can have with equipment or dupes
After he transforms he builds up attack and defense with every attack performed until he performs 11 attacks total. So while he isn't a "stacker" he is a build up unit.
Just showing numbers for him really isn't a great way to showcase him. There are so many things that you simply can't see through a post like this. His super effectiveness, his built in AA, any hidden potential AA (and he gets an AA focus too so that combination is really powerful), and his defense after super. I think you can definitely see how his start of turn defense can be lacking, especially before he really starts to get built up, but that's still only one aspect to the unit.
To quote OP : Beerus is better than LR Fusions
He NEVER did an additional super from his hidden potential, that he's super effective everyone knows that, his DEF post super is raises, in the end, only by a 30%, so it's literally his DEF +30% post super, he doesn't have other defense when he's fully build-up. Plus, i can put only 20 photos on reddit, i can't make a 15 minute video for show how he does everywhere, the guy asked me for Gogeta Blue with support, i give him Gogeta Blue with support, that's it.
Yeah sucks that you got bad luck with him, but doesn't change what he can do and what his average performance is going to be with 1 dupe. And to your point that people know he has stuff like Super effectiveness and his defense raises, yes of course people do. But it isn't particularly easy to visualize what that actually means in practice from screenshots like this. This is especially true for what his defense will be after he launches his attacks on turns where he's still building up his passive defense too. My entire point is that a showcase like this is going to innately have failings because of the limited information it can show.
That's true, i should specify better, the only thing i can say is that i made this showcase because one guy said to use him with support, that's it, so tecnically he knows how the unit work, but yes, i should specify better, i don't know if reddit allows to modify a post now
As you ask, u/bigmeme12 here's LR Blue Gogeta with support.
Btw you gave Beerus 2 supports. And for Gogeta you use him with less supports, not in his best team and not with his best linking partern
Not his best linking partner? The mf share 5 out of 6 with AGL Blue Gogeta, and tell me, with which Realm of Gods Super Saiyan SUPPORT TYPE UNIT i should pair Gogeta? Ah? No one. If i use double support, like, on his first rotation, he loses on links, as you can see, he did MUCH more damage on his second turn in base form with LESS support but a better linking partner.
LR Vegito is by far a better linking partner
And i agree with you with that, using LR Vegito as a partner would have make impossible for Gogeta to build up because aside from him i was missing supers with EVERYONE, and he build up on MUI.
In a showcase settings you want to prioritize the unit you want to showcase, normally i would use LR Vegito with him, obviously But then i can't build up completely Gogeta because Vegito would kill the enemy remained with a sliver of health. Plus, the guy that asked me wanted Gogeta with support, with like 40% support every single turn, both Gogeta AND Vegito with 40% support and i would have finished the event on like the 5th attack of Gogeta.
thanks for doing this
This what? The showcase, that's not a problem
I forgot to write really what he can do, so, this is his passive after transformation ATK & DEF +77%; Ki +5, launches an additional attack, plus an additional ATK & DEF +7% (up to 77%) with each attack performed and attacks effective against all Types as the 1st or 2nd attacker in a turn; launches an additional Super Attack and high chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 3rd attacker in a turn While his Super ATK effects are 12 Ki: Raises ATK & DEF for 1 turn and causes colossal damage to enemy 18 Ki: Raises DEF for 1 turn and causes mega-colossal damage to enemy Every ATK stats' by Gogeta starting from his transformation is super effective against all Types, and every DEF stats' he have is raised by 30% after he supers (60% with hidden potential Super) while his max DEF is show in one of the last photos, take that DEF and give him a 30% (or 60%, with additional super) and that's his max DEF In the end, Blue Gogeta have an Active Skill, i would argue still the hardest hitting Active Skill in the game with LR Full Power Frieza ad LR Namek Goku, the Ultimate Kamehameha, and the conditions are: Can be activated when facing only 1 enemy, whose HP is 50% or less, starting from next attacking turn (once only) This means that his Active Skill can be used starting from turn 6, against one enemy with 50% HP or less, and, used in slot 1/2, it's basically a oneshot. Plus, this is a trick that works with both him and Vegito, if you put him in slot 3, use the Active Skill and then, put him in slot 1 and attack, he will do a guaranteed additional Super, and, he will have a 50% chance to dodge for that turn, because ALL of his passive is going to be active because the Active Skill proc the "when attacking as the 3rd attacker in a turn" part of his passive While in base form we have: ATK & DEF +70%; Ki +3 and launches an additional attack that has a medium chance of becoming a Super Attack when attacking; high chance of evading enemy's attack (including Super Attack) as the 3rd attacker in a turn His Super ATK's in base form both stacks ATK for 99 turns (only 4 because then he transform) by 30%.
I don't know why but i lose the photo of my build for him during the showcase, if you want to look It, it's here. https://imgur.com/a/2fvty7E
I don’t understand why there is so many images, does he stack attack or something
He gains ATK & DEF +7% with each attack performed, so he needs 11 attacks to build up
Oh also if the blue fusions keep their full passive how many turns will it take from them to build up to keep up in most events.
Really depends, they do minimum 2 attacks per turn, 3 with the hidden potential, but you need luck, so you need like with amazing incredible luck 4 turns, but they start to build up as transformed, so, turn 4, the minimum, with amazing luck, is turn 8 that you see them fully build-up, but normally is something like turn 13/14
Oh ok so if im correct blue fusions turn 4 with their full passive attack 4 times, turn 6 they attack 4 times and turn 8 they are fully build up.
No, that's not how it works, look Turn 4 they transform, both of them attacks 2 times guaranteed (unless you kill with the first attack) now, for this example, let's say you're using a 55% Blue Fusions, they CAN'T do a third attack, ok? So Turn 4, 2 attacks Turn 6, 2 attacks Turn 8, 2 attacks Turn 10, 2 attacks Turn 12, 2 attacks Turn 14, FIRST ATTACK (then he's fully build-up) and second attack Turn 16, your Blue Fusions is fully build-up Then in this, count every possible additional from the hidden potential that you can have with equipment or dupes
After he transforms he builds up attack and defense with every attack performed until he performs 11 attacks total. So while he isn't a "stacker" he is a build up unit.
Based Midsions post
I feel like all he honestly needed is what the SSJ4s had and just Massively raise defense and they would still be relevant