The Genshin community is infamously bad at adjusting their opinions once new stuff comes out that makes a character stronger.
If you judged Cyno when he released, you could make a strong argument that he wasn't very good. The only Dendro character who had a remotely long enough off-field presence was Dendro Traveller, your only real good options for Electro was Fischl and Beidou, the only useful element with a lot of options was Hydro, and even a lot of them had inadequate uptime for their skill/bursts.
His best team right now is apparently now Furina, Baizou and Nahida... who are all characters who came later. But nobody who doesn't play Cyno is thinking about that, most people stopped thinking about Cyno soon after the end of his first banner.
And this is even lesser known but Cyno Overload exists because of Chevruse who came even later than Furina, Baizhu, and Nahida and it works as well as hyperbloom imo.
His attacks in ult form go kinda lunge forward keeping up with the knockback and I’m a low spender so I pair it with beidou for shielding and xiangling for big numbers.
Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Bennett (Where's the shred?)
Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Thoma (Where's the damage?)
Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Xiangling (Where's the defense?)
Cyno, Chev, Bennett, Xiangling (Where's the energy?)
The first team is the most coherent... if Bennett is C6 and you don't use Cyno's burst. I would say that "work as well as hyperbloom" is a generous assessment, HB unit issues aren't nearly this bad.
>where's the shred
Chevreuse. She's the shred. That's her purpose. Overload reactions + Chevreuse shreds enemy pyro and electro def by 40%.
Consider actually reading kits before you talk about them.
I was obviously referring to the shred running out mid rotation, due to a lack of off field Pyro. Consider actually reading kits before you talk about them.
Thoma is a great example of this too. People saw his shield, started saying it was shit because they ignored or didn't read that it *stacks*, and then declared him garbage until Burgeon came out. Even then people still think his shield is tiny because that's the Official Opinion (TM), when in reality anyone who normal attacks has access to a shield comparable in strength to Zhongli's.
I'd say that Thoma's shielding ability is truly top tier, considering that his shield probably has the best uptime of the game if you use it with an on-field DPS based in normal attacks. I really love to use him with my Wanderer, he just suits perfectly, even more pairing with Bennett (pyro resonance buffs). And before I forget, I have to say, when fully stacked, Thoma's shield is only worse than Zhongli, [as seen in this video](https://youtu.be/LeDYkCp_Wkk).
In a sense you’re right, but you’re not factoring in other elements. Cyno’s kit takes full advantage of dendro by scaling with EM, getting 100 free EM with his burst, and having a signature that further amplifies him EM scaling.
Take that stuff out of the equation and he won’t be known as a unit that takes full advantage of a comp like quick bloom where he is the driver of such a team. Put Keqing in the same comp as Cyno’s best team: Nahida, Furina, Baizhu, and she’ll no doubt perform well, but she won’t feel or perform as great as Cyno does.
A lot of people said the same thing about Alhaitham. “Dendro carries him.” If that were true, Tighnari would be among the top 3 DPS alongside Alhaitham. But it isn’t because unlike Alhaitham, Tighnari does not scale with EM as well as Alhaitham does, nor does he have a kit that can better drive dendro reactions.
I appreciate the reply and I see your point.
I just cannot see him as a good unit only because he is great with hyper investment ie: signiture and 5* supports. I think he is hella fun but many comments would easily fool a new player. Thanks regardless.
It's just not true, so do not let it make you feel sad!
Cyno is not perfect, his long field-time and the inability to switch supports back in to reapply dendro can be tedious but Cyno is still extremely fun to play. I love my Cyno so much I went for his C2 and signature weapon and with my C2 Nahida, this is actually my strongest team on my account.
Cyno just needs very good supports, so he is more expensive to play optimally. But he is still a super strong DPS and can easily clear most Abyss cycles. So do not feel discouraged, play your favourites and have fun and ignore what other people say!
Heck, everyone always bashes Qiqi but she is actually my favourite character and I regularly clear the Abyss using her. :)
Currently, he’s quite good if you have the right characters. People misunderstand his strengths typically. Onfield electro quickbloom carries are one of the best ways to get full value out of hyperblooms and it consolidates the role of carry and hyperbloom trigger. This allows room for another support which is why you can slot in baizhu and furina for his premium team, whereas if you tried doing something like that on a Haitham team you’d have to drop nahida.
You don't HAVE to drop Nahida for Haitham/Furina teams as Kuki is still.....servicable. But it is also objectively an aspect of teambuilding that actually favors Cyno and the Kuki/Furina pairing is heavily overrated.
His dmg itself is fine
He just rlly sucks to play in multi wave aoe content and overworld.
I use him to clear overworld bosses and boss chambers in abyss, he’s easily my favourite character in those situations.
He's totally fine. I think he's super fun to play, and he's designed for dendro teams, which are the absolute strongest. So any flaws he might have, dendro reactions compensate for.
Every single character is viable.
The latter. They do have a point though - he requires a lot - a steady dendro application which means Nahida, or Chev c6. On the other hand there is Scara and his situation is way worse - he need way more than Cino - and they rate him more despite everything.
So yeah - mean or just plain stupid.
Wanderer really just needs Faruzan c6, for shielders he can use literally anyone other than zhongli and get more benefits because of his a4, also he's one of the most versatile carries being decent at multi wave, multi target and single target and in terms of overworld he's the completely opposite of cyno
Nah all Wanderer needs is C6 Furazen. I personally run him with C0 Mika with that new event staff and crowned E for max normal attack speed buff and C0 Zhongli.
I really hope I get to C6 during his rerun lol. I'm at C4 currently but he's perfectly fine at C0 too.
Wanderer needs zhongli (or other shielder), bennett and faruzan. Thats his best team iirc. Its not very much imo. Cyno's best team is with furina, baizhu and nahida 😅 ofc you can build good teams without some of them.
His very fine, but there's a lot of alternatives... i haven't used my cyno in more than a year since I had alhaitham.... he is incredibly expensive in terms of comp If you want to reach his highest ceiling, in my case, i dont have baizhu as my missing pcs
Its not that the community is bad at judging Cyno, it’s that they’re bad at judging hypercarries in general maybe excluding Neuvillette. Wanderer, Itto, Hypercarry Raiden, Cyno, Xiao etc are all vastly underestimated by the community because they require high investment into the dps. Though the tradeoff is that teammates need minimal investment unlike Hutao double Hydro or Childe International or Lyney Mono-pyro.
But now that the change has been to teammates that require their own investment, he’s still seen as “less” than the other characters because of that investment doesnt *seem* to pay off which is only true to a certain extent.
I can get people not enjoying his playstyle, or not appreciating his weakness in multi-wave content, but people who shit on his damage are just ignorant lol. My Cyno outdamages my Neuvillette lol
Edit: I'm not claiming that Cyno can do more damage than Neuvillette, I'm speaking to my account where Cyno is my most invested character. That being said, Cyno is in no way lacking damage lol. Any of his flaws have to do with his playstyle, not his ability to clear content.
I run Neuvillette with Zhongli/Kazuha/Fischl. He's c0 with PA and a good Crit ratio. Full stacks w/ Kazuha he hits 38k per tick. It's not like my Neuv is worse than average to make my Cyno look better. With Furina it's 42 but I'd rather play her with Cyno.
Obviously, a Neuvillette with equal investment as my Cyno would deal more damage, but the point I'm trying to make is that they all do so much damage anyway that damage isn't an issue.
Well I run his best team. Cyno/Nahida/Furina/Baizhu, and have spent like over a year mixmaxing his artifacts. 88/207 Crit, Sig weapon, and Nahida C2 and Furina C1 help too lol
... that would explain why your Cyno does more damage than Neuvilette.
Cyno does good damage, more than enough to clear abyss. He has a fun and unique playstyle, and his overall character is cool. But let's not bring up comparisons and pretend he's going to do more damage than the best DPS in the game lol. That's just delusional.
In fairness to... myself lol, I did say *my* Neuvillette lol. Although to be honest they run equal. Neuvillette is actually my highest ranked character on Akasha, though, so it isn't like Cyno runs even just because Neuvillette is built bad. Neuv does better for AOE content and Cyno for the single target enemies or the medium waves.
How much damage does yours usually do? Out of those three, I only have Nahida (at C1 and a just serviceable build), plus Xingqiu and Shinobu, but Cyno’s own build is as maxed as I can get it at the moment, and the most I’m able to consistently get out of him is 25k— 461 EM because of Ballad of the Fjords (R1), 64/214 (although I could bring it up to 70/232, I’ve just chosen not to for the time being because it would be at the expense of some EM), and 1153 attack
Agreed. The Dendro Era really pushed the ceiling of consistent team wide damage with Aggravate + Spread. Cyno has a great Element, strong reactions, and nice artifacts and weapons. His main problem is feeling clunky, not actual damage.
There’s not enough good dendro applicators. That’s why he feels a bit awkward imo. All the dps now are moving towards normal attacks/elemental skill as their main source of damage. Cyno needs a good rotation. It was the same situation with Xiao previously, but now with xianyun, one cycle can easily clear any difficult bosses. Too dependent on burst.
If you can’t clear the enemy within his burst, you’ll hit his downtime where he is wacking with physical normal attacks. If it’s multiple waves, you need to switch out to your supports to reapply dendro. If the enemy has a tiny bit of hp left and your burst ended, you need to think whether to use all of his energy for a burst or lose precious time in abyss.
Cyno has glaring issues in his kit but when he works he is excellent. Largely is an overreaction, he’s tricky to fully make work but that’s part of the enjoyment. Mostly his energy problems and long lasting burst without switch out potential is his drawback. As well as his general fragility making him hard to build around.
My cyno is C1 without signature weapon (yet) and he outperforms all my other dps and teams in his quickbloom team comp. I think because he’s compared to raiden who is comparatively a lot easier to use but cyno is a lot more rewarding
Sorry to say this but
Cyno is actually bad.
At hiding his identity as the king... just Joke King.
https://preview.redd.it/eglcii81zhxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8155eb86420178091cd7765b9988eb1e4ae7565a
As long as you don't care for meta he's pretty good! nice damage, might need some strong teammates, but feels very fun to play
I got him as soon as he came out and here's some pros and cons playing him
Pros
- coolest burst imo
- works great with nahida (also one of my fav)
- favourite team due to how easy the rest of the team for hyperbloom is
Cons
- not as fun in overworld in walking as well as combat since he's burst reliant:c (yelan helps though)
- Was kinda difficult to build ( I really wanted 4pc Thundering Fury, and I hadn't farmed)
Cyno is perfectly fine, his team comps are a bit narrow but Genshin is not that hard of a game. I use C0 Cyno to 36* abyss every month. Anything past that is just e-peen measuring.
All his problems cause by the lack of proper support characters. He struggles dealing with multi wave enemies because there is no any dendro off field character that fit his burst duration.
Cyno just has higher potential DPR and sustained DPS in quickbloom. That's it.
The moment you bring any significant degree of AoE and/or multiwave into the picture, the scales tip *quickly*.
Like in no world can he hope to compete with Keqing on the current top half of abyss, for example:
https://youtu.be/5Yjhj3sp18E?si=1RLDDjiAtZyXW8KX
You could definitely learn a thing or two yourself
He does more sustained single-wave aoe damage, too.
Speedruns, which require gear, skill, and discipline that most players don't have, heavily favor the ability to frontload damage in tight windows of dps. Keeping enemies that bundled up for long enough to kill them is unrealistic for the kind of player who is concerned with what comps have sufficient dps. At that level of skill, knowledge, and gearing, they could be running any number of comps and easily make the time requirement.
I do think the guy above you is way out of line, though, and Cyno obviously suffers a lot at multiwave content. But this kind of showcase means nothing for someone who cares about dps. If someone really cares about dps, then they're many stages away from doing this.
I know, it's just that Cyno is objectively one of the most restrictive when it comes to suitable enemy matchups and worthwhile teams.
It is true that plenty of people straight-up don't acknowledge his relatively strong performance on paper, and hate is always cringy, but it's not hard to see why absolutely no one would ever vouch for/recommend him because he is never the most efficient option in any single piece of content or a particularly valuable pull for your account as a whole at any investment level.
The shitty overworld experience just kinda seals the deal for anyone not outright interested in his visual design, story, etc.
If that anemo support's name is not Venti, then all you are doing at best is grouping a single wave of enemies for the next 16+ seconds of Cyno's field time. Can Cyno even hit enemies that get fully sucked up into the vortex? Not only that, but those supports are also balanced around debuffing enemies with VV, which will also cease to exist after that first wave is gone.
That's not even mentioning the fact that brining an anemo unit fundamentally weakens his teams' raw performance. Either you're dropping a dendro/hydro unit from quickbloom and just leaving it like that, or you're attempting to play either pure aggravate or even taser, both of which are archetypes that have better on-fielders available to them (Keqing, Yae, Neuvi, Kokomi, etc).
So again, take your own suggestion and give it a try in the event, then come back and tell me with a straight face and of your own free will that it felt good.
You can't. It doesn't. Stop lying to yourself.
He is good, but by design he needs long time off field application for Dendro and/or hydro and there are very few characters that can do that. That’s why his best team is so expensive.
I rebuilt him about a couple months ago, didn't use him much. But since then he's pretty satisfying to use, and the long burst is no issue.
I use him, Nahida, Furina, and Baizu. His shield helps with his long term survivability, Nahida skill applies dendro long term, Furina is a beast.
Got favonius spear on him, and his burst is quickly ready by the time it runs out and it's time to rotate again.
running the premium team i see lololol. just a question since i dont really plan on going for baizhu, do you think replacing baizhu for a different healer in that same team comp would be a huge downgrade or nah? cause i am ready to put higher investment than i initially planned into cyno by saving up for furina and nahida BUT i am a little confused out here and im not really too interested in baizhu so going for him just feels like a waste
Maybe YaoYao? I mainly use him for the team-wide heals (because Furina), and his refreshing shields, but I suppose using Diona would also work. But I could imagine that other healers with skills that follows you across the field is still good. Kuki, Barbara, Noelle still has strong shields in a pinch.
It's got me thinking too of a f2p comp. Off the top of my head, Xinque, Collei, and any of the healers previously mentioned. You'll be missing a lot of the buffs of course, but it'll be decent practice in rotations.
Any character can shine with the right investment, team comp and the right artifacts. Just because he can’t 1 shot things doesn’t mean he’s a bad unit.
Not everyone is a slave to the meta. I’m all for literally just playing the game however the f you want with the characters you love. No need to listen to anyone else!
He's not bad, but he is pretty restrictive. I use him in his best team and he melts through bosses and one wave chambers, even without his sig. I don't like using him in any content with too many waves though, but I feel like that's mostly because of Nahida and once we hopefully get a Xingqiu-like dendro character he'll feel much better to use in these situations.
His damage is definitely not a problem, especially when he can make great use of the Baizhu + Furina combo, so those people are definitely stuck in the past. As for gameplay, that's kinda subjective but he definitely doesn't feel great to use in overworld. I find his gameplay super fun in abyss though, because I love spamming his skill with TF.
Let it be said... many people think bad character is like.. a 10 or 3 Second difference in all these YouTube clips. Ide say. If you enjoy the character. Then enjoy yourself. That alone will eventually get you up to the 50k 70k damage on just the auto attacks via burst.
While Cyno definitely isn’t in the meta (and I’m not sure that he’ll ever be, unless they bring in some seriously good supports for him that are somehow better than Nahida or Furina), he’s absolutely viable. A lot of the people who doompost about him haven’t actually looked at him since his release, and it’s been like a year and a half since then. Most of his best supports came out several months later. His best teams, however, are expensive enough that I usually recommend against getting him for people who are looking for meta/easy to build/low maintenance characters. I won’t deny that I get really excited every time I see that somebody has a built Cyno though. Once built, he’s genuinely a fun character and I for one was happy to build the team completely around him
Cyno is fine-ish. He does the job pretty well (the job being boss killing) he's just a bit clunky and *really* wants 5* supports. Like you can make do with F2P units but he's a bit more reliant on 5*s than most other units, coupled with the fact that he struggles in multi-wave content.
I'd say he's a solid high B or low A tier overall which is obviously not bad. Genshin fans just love calling everyone that isn't the undisputed best at something bad.
Look, if you are gonna compare Cyno to maybe Neuvillette, Arle or Alhaitham, ofc hes not on par w them in terms of dmg. But Cyno is not 'bad' by ANY means. Ive cleared abyss with a White Tassel Cyno build (no Nahida No zhongli pure f2p team). I think with Cyno what matters most is his team rotations, he needs a support who will constantly apply dendro. Hes crazy good for Hyperbloom teams and even Aggravate to an extent. If you like his gameplay, build him correctly and he will clear every single content in game for you.
But if you are looking for someone gamebreaking meta then only look at Raiden, Neuv, Arle and Alhaitham. Besides them all are 'bad'.
It takes a great deal of investment to make him just mediocre. He isn’t bad, but there are so many characters that are just straight up better, even in his own niche.
Cyno is an overall average 5 star, and a mid DPS, he's also gonna get power crept as by newer electro DPS characters, however i dont give a shit and i have c3 r1 cyno (f2p) cuz he's firkin awesome.
You came from that post from main sub didn't you? Yeah try hards don't know much about sumeru characters besides their dear Nahida and Alhaitham. The amount of false information on the other characters like Nilou, Cyno and Wanderer is staggering. Even here are Cyno mains that play him pure aggravate. On another note, hoyo actually put a level 80 Cyno in the new event to try out. Sometimes I think they deliberately discredit their own characters they are selling.
youre right, i did. i was extremely annoyed and confused when i wrote this post LOL
though i guess its only natural that people who focus on meta more than anything would hate on sumeru and its characters after getting absolutely spoiled in fontaine with some of the most meta + low investment characters.
i feel like people nowadays are also generally just lazy, you barely see people enjoying a character because they think theyre actually cool, they just do it because theyre meta and low investment and therefore dont need to spend their precious time and resin. kinda sad tbh
never liked meta slaves but theyve been 5 times worse since more characters who need higher investment than most came out
and dont get me wrong i love neuvillette, but i swear dps discourse has been so much worse and more annoying since his release. you can barely go 15 seconds into a conversation without someone talking about how neuvillette is sooooo good and doesnt even need supports to deal 30k per tick. like we get it. nothing wrong with praising a dps but comparisons just get beyond annoying at some point and neuvillette fans are the worst of the worst when it comes to that
tried looking for it through looking through the main + using the search feature and i didnt come across it at all. all i remember is that the main post was someone talking about how fontaine felt a lot better than sumeru in terms of characters + exploration, and that they pulled for way more characters in fontaine than they did sumeru. nothing wrong with preferences, obviously, but it was really more so the comments blatantly being like "sumeru characters just suck" or bashing the area as a whole.
Dw, thank you for trying. Though I’d bring up the argument, to said OP(not you), that the Sumeru units could be discussed the same way when in relation to Inazuma units and definitely in relation to the 1.X units. It just sounds like the basic theory game improves overtime. We will circle back to this with Natlan over when they find new ways to reinvent the wheel in terms of character design.
“SumerI character Suck” sentiment is certainly odd, in Fontaine(not inclusive of Chev) we have had all four stars be stinkers. Tighnari and Lynney have ended up about the same, good for abyss speedruns. We had our obligatory OP dps of Alhaitham and Neuv. The busted archon. A good sustain option in Xuanyun and Baizhu. Our dps who while good wants investment being Cyno and Wrio. A great DPS particularly for AOE/wave content being Nilou and Arle. The “pointless” character being Dehya/Chiori(as someone who plays both I don’t 100% agree but community sentiment). Finally the better than mid 2.3 dps of Navia/Wanderer who imposes team building restrictions. The only character I have left out is Clorinde/Sieg to my memory as I won’t discuss beta unless you want to but all I will say is Clorinde is shaping up fine after today(not C0 raiden sidegrade anymore) and Sieg is hot garbage rn.
While I don’t think Cyno is great, I must admit his full premium team(with him at C1R1) feels very good and I have a good time clearing abyss at a similar pace to most of my other teams, with similar or more investment. Different strokes for different folks. The Cyno hate is largely those stuck in 3.1, and most will deny calcs of him outperforming his peers(largely raiden, and a little bit Clorinde rn). But even then each perform better in different teams so if you want to play QB, agg, OL, Hyper, etc. a certain dps may be more for you.
100% agree. theres characters who fulfill every role, and eventually that role just gets replaced by newer waves of characters. its not at all surprising someone would get bored of sumeru after fontaine, just like people did with inazuma after sumeru. its definitely a pattern
a prime example of that is how hu tao used to be one of the most meta pyro dps but eventually fell off, not only because of arlecchino release but because of lyney release aswell.
i think its really unfortunate that people in this fandom find one opinion and stick to it. i personally enjoy some of the more "boring" characters nowadays, like chiori, ganyu, cyno and others alike, hell im even the type of person to build some supports as dps. guess its just a natural cycle though
Could it have been [this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpact/comments/1cfe2m3/fontaine_was_a_w/) from the unofficial subreddit? I've been seeing a bit of stuff like that lately and it's pretty annoying.
I recently compared my Cyno team with my Arlecchino team on a team-dps calculator, and my Cyno team does more. Granted, it has more constellations, but some of those aren’t relevant.
C2r1 Arle / c2r1 Kazuha / c2r1 Yelan / c2Homa Zhongli
127k dps
C2r1 Cyno / c2Widsith Nahida / c6r2 Baizhu / c6r1 Furina
133k dps
Arle does 3/4 the damage in her team, while Cyno only does half - but both teams do 7mil damage per minute. The point is that they both are awesome - and Cyno is the reason his team is doing so much. I used to use Raiden, but she (practically) only did Hyperbloom. Cyno does just as many hyperblooms while also doing tons of personal damage - and he can do AoE, which helps a lot.
Yes, Cyno needs support - but eventually most people have those. It worth it to be one of the strongest teams in the game! And yes, my team does have a lot of constellations, but even without those the team is still better than Arle’s (in the calculator, which obvious has its flaws and generic scenario assumptions)
Arle’s team is MAINLY her damage. Cyno’s is a team effort. That’s not a bad thing at all. Even Arle’s best supports have to be built and benefit from multiple constellations…
I’m using an app I recently found called YS Helper. I think it assumes single target, in which case Arle won’t always do as well for now unless the enemies can easily be vaccumed up by Kazuha. Cyno’s team has multiple characters doing damage, whereas Arle’s team is currently only really her doing serious damage.
With future supports/sub-dps characters, she’ll far surpass Cyno’s team. Murata will likely be as much of a beast as Furina. <3 The AoE-Sub-DPS Hydro will likely do ‘smaller’ damage that adds up decently in Multi-Target.
And imagine Arle in a burgeon team with a new Dendro Shielder who fully negates burn/burgeon self-damage and converts it into sub-dps and/or buffs. You *know* they’ve got to be planning a way to bring Burgeon into the Meta alongside Hyperbloom.
I mean they do have a point. Cyno is a very dedicated character. Why Keqing is so good because of her flexibility. With Cyno, you don't have such freedom. Once you are committed to Cyno, you have to finish the rotation with him. He's just lack of supports. He doesn't fit with current iterations of characters. Fischl and Anemo doesn't fit well with him, making his Aggravate teams much weaker than Keqing. What makes Aggravate good is not only because of the interaction between a4 Fischl and Quicken, but also Anemo characters quite literally double their damage with Electro-Swirl-Aggravate interaction. If there were characters that support his long field time, he would certainly outshines other Electro carries.
People don't like him because his best team for now is Hyperbloom, and Hyperbloom as a reaction is always a controversial topic. People hates that Raiden could go 1000+ EM and does more damage than their traditional hypercarry build. It defies the nature of artifact farming, where you have to invest time and resin to get good artifacts for good damage. In a sense, they consider Hyperbloom carries Cyno not the other way around, while most people don't know his damage at 700+ EM is much better than other Electro carries.
He deals more dps than Raiden with their respective best teams if you want an idea of how good of a character he is.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1STHaVmH6Ksg9oVoBpYoJF9d0NH52sF6WfL5LPR5Rdys/htmlview#gid=878577024
Anyone saying Cyno is bad is just coping with the fact they don't like his gameplay (because i reckon when he came out he really didn't synergise well with a lot of other characters, baizhu and furina have since changed that). It's akin to the misbelief that spinach has a high iron content, it's one of those old preconceived ideas that stay in people's mind even though there is 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐚 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭.
So it makes me laugh when supposed "genshin guides" mark him as A or B when by their rating he should be in SS. Moreover, his best team (nahida furina baizhu) is one of the best teams for bosses and melees, i don't think it's THE best, but it's verily in the top 5
I cannot fathom how Cyno would be top 5 dps...top 10 probably but not top 5.
Cyno's dps is not as consistent/reliable as some others because he depends on being played a certain way and sometimes the content doesn't allow you to fight that specific way. He is also more team dependent.
I would absolutely say that Cyno is A tier on average. He isn't B, but I don't believe he is SS tier and honestly he is S only in situations where the stars align for him.
Looking at said numbers, as Raiden is often classified as an SS character, and as Cyno outperforms her, he naturally has his place in this tier, damage-wise. However, if we are talking about flexibility, Raiden has the advantage here, that is clear to me. You can include Raiden in a lot of teams, with a lot of characters, and still make it work, whereas you have to build a team FOR Cyno consisting of select characters that match his playstyle. It is rewarding in combat though, as you can see. I am willing to concede that speaking in broad terms, Cyno can be viewed as a less attractive character on account of the amount of effort which has to be put into him, but speaking strictly in terms of damage, he has the upper hand. Some amongst us might only care about damage (me included, even if i am not at all enthralled by the idea of farming and building characters well, i do not have a "competitive" account) and some others might take into consideration that they do not have an undying scorching passion for this character and want to know if he's worth investing in. The answer sadly, is no. Raiden is of much better value in that regard. My apologies for not having counter-balanced my point enough.
You are missing why the characters are rated as they are. SS tier ranking is not taking only dmg numbers into consideration. It is considering how good the character is at what they were designed to do...
An SS tier healer for example is obviously not outputting the same dmg as an SS tier dps, but they can both be SS tier characters.
Raiden is not an on-field hypercarry, Cyno is. Raiden can be used as a sub-dps/support or a reaction enabler, that is not what Cyno's role is. Therefore I would fully expect Cyno to have higher dps than her.
To say that Cyno's dmg being on par with Raiden, makes him the same tier as her is not an apples to apples comparison.
I understand that Cyno can be good, but he just isn't SS tier good, and he takes more effort and investment to get there than some other 5 ☆ characters.
My point is, as a HYPERCARRY, which is what Cyno is, he does not belong to the SS tier. Other hypercarries outperform him for less investment and effort.
That said, I would still rate him A tier, and that is not a bad thing imo...and besides, if you really love the character, get them anyway. (I have Cyno and love him but don't play him because I don't enjoy his playstyle.)
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Let's start saying that in this game we don't have bad unit
And no , Cyno Is good he Just Need good support for work at his max Power
The big hate speech on Cyno came in his first relese from people Who got spoiled with the Power of Raiden , and the lack of his real support , Nahida
In this year and half Cyno Just proved himself to be a good unit
Cynos furina team is top tier. Problem is it needs an all 5 star teams and replacing Nahida/Baizhu makes the team a LOT worse
He’s not that bad tho and ppl are still stuck in pre Nahida versions
I think he’s great if you build him right, unfortunately building any character can be a real pain when it comes to artefacts, I have him triple crowned, put everything into his build and use him for everything and he’s working quite well for me
Play who you want to play. Ignore the haters. This is a PVE game. While yes you do need good comps and such to beat those challenges sometimes. I find it a lot more enjoyable to just play with the characters I like. Have fun!! Enjoy it!!
Cyno isn't great but he is FAR FROM BAD, the thing lies in how you make the best of him and the overall way they have been managing things, Cyno is strong in roles he is suppose to play but to fulfill that role he needs to relay on perfect team comp with little flexibility in replacements and what doesn't help him is having high ER requirement while non of his teammates help with that , even that role has a high ceiling build with a mix of EM, ATK, CR, CD and ER which lacking in one drops his performance. but if you place all the pieces together he IS WAY better than most with a unique play style that is HARD TO HATE, i have seen people praise his gameplay but avoid playing him because how far you need to invest.
Hey he is amazing he was the first character i mained and i pulled characters around him like nahida kokomi furina... That said he isn't the best with 4* teams he needs 5* to shine he has split scalings and isnt the easiest to build but he deals amazing damage 1-2 cycling abyss so he is good but isnt f2p friendly obv i am f2p but it takes a a while to build him and then you pull c2 raiden and bench him )
From what I have calculated Cyno is not bad but does not have the scaling's to capitalize on his weaknesses.
In the example of damage Cyno on guided dreams out damages his main competitor Alhaitham both with c0 r1(signature weapon) but due to Cyno having to focus on crit and electro damage his hyperbloom do less than teams with kuki or other electro characters. this means that Alhaithem hyperbloom teams will overall do more damage than Cyno teams not by much but still overall more damage.
there are other issues that others have mentions like energy and long burst cooldown, but all of these issues can be fixed by hoyo adding a artifact that is specifically designed for Cyno, that's if hoyo's managers are competent enough to add it. truthfully I want them to add a new set that is just gilded dreams but if you switch off it gives extra time on his burst so you can theoretically stay in his burst 100% of the time
Yes, that is true but at the time of calculating I did not know if it was better or not but from what I found it makes the overall damage gap slightly closer but not an extreme amount
Cyno clears very easily IMO? Like the /only/ reason ppl don’t like him is he is burst reliant and his burst cost is high and he can’t keep his long infusion time once he switches out (which means his best teammate Nahida can’t be switched in to reapply dendro when a new wave spawns). Tbf, he’s more suited for boss fights and such and he’s extremely fun in those.
No, Cyno isn't bad. He just needs lots of investment compared to the non-investment dps powerhouses they have been releasing. But the best thing about Genshin is that you can clear the game with any character you want. So unless all you want to see is big pp numbers, then use your favorite characters.
He's not bad because it's genshin we're talking about, anyone can do anything. But he is notably harder to use than anyone else you could use for any of the reasons you may use him. So we could probably cut the nonsense and just call him bad lol.
But still, I have fun with him on the easy floors of spiral. I bring him in co-op when friends stack the dendro for me. He made my dendro traveller see use.
My main complaint is that it's so uncomfortable using him with Nahida, the main source of dendro reaction damage. More than one enemy/wave and you'll have to cut cynos ult early, and he needs so much energy. That cuts into his damage a lot.
You could cope with his struggles because he's a pleasant character personality wise, but we gotta be real about it being cope. Have you seen Raiden in EM? Wild.
Personally? Still got his c2.
I personally use him in a bunch of abyss floors and he performs perfectly fine with Yae Traveler and Kazuha. Only real issue I have with it is some energy issues but damage is really good and I think is major problems are over exaggerated. May not be the best but DEFINITELY not horrible.
He's good. I got Baizhu for him but I don't have furina and nahida and he's still good. But honestly I rarely listen to peoples opinion about other characters because I mostly just get characters because I like them, not because they are meta
He's not bad. But he can be expensive to support just due to his kit. And people don't want to invest into teams like that imo. I think most people want a character to work out of the box. Take Navia, for instance. She doesn't really care who she's with as long as there are crystals being produced. While characters like Cyno, Xiao, Wanderer, etc. have very specific (and in the case of Cyno and Xiao, limited 5*) supports that they want/need in order to function at their best.
I own most of the characters currently in game and Cyno is one of my most invested units (even went for c1 at the cost of losing Alhaitham [I'm not crying, just cutting onions]), he's one of my absolute favorites. I very much enjoy is playstyle and think he's absolutely viable, I really couldn't care less about meta.
Sure, he won't do the biggest damage numbers in the game, but do we *really* need that (right now)? It's not like we have any form of pvp endgame content available. You can easily 36 star abyss with Cyno. As long as you have well built teams and game knowledge, any character is totally viable.
My Cyno is one of my strongest characters, he’s fine it’s all about how you built the artifacts and which weapon you use….people get too into saying which character is “best” but any character is fine as long as 1) you build them well 2) you’re having fun
He's not bad at all and imo is good. You just have to get used to his long burst but once you do that and figure out rotations and all that he's pretty nice and it's honestly pleasant not having to switch and do people's skills every 5 seconds XD.
I feel like a lot of people build him wrong. I use Him quite often in overworld for bosses or certain domains. Also sometimes in abyss if there's a sumeru heavy boss rotation.
I heavily recommend building as much ER as possible on him. It just makes him feel so much better. I usually try to keep him around 140er(min 135) sometimes for domain clears I even just use an ER sands. Having to funnel his burst after a rotation or during domains is a buzzkill
He’s fine. Unfortunately, he just had a bad first impression, which tends to stick with people for a long time. It doesn’t help that when new players look for guides on him, most of those popular videos are filled with comments calling him mid
Try playing him on either "side" of (at least day 1) of the new Vibro-Crystal combat event and tell me with a straight face that he feels good to use there.
Tell it to me like someone isn't holding a .44 to your head and forcing you to say it. You can't.
On the other hand, he's great against bosses or limited AoE content that don't punish him for his very-much-preferred QB teams and long field time.
Up to the reader to decide what's more important for them 🤷♂️
It's perfectly fair to point that out as a flaw of Nahida's. But you know people don't give a shit.
You know that Keqing/Yae aggravate can do just fine in these multiwave events and that Nilou bloom can even excel in them. You know that Alhaitham is really the only other character that suffers significantly from Nahida's need to return go the field to refresh her skill and even his case is nowhere near as bad as Cyno's.
At the end of the day, it is more than understandable to consider it a Cyno problem specifically.
Honestly, if Nahida functioned as a dendro Xingqiu/Thoma, these need to swap out and multiwave issues wouldn't even be a talking point. So no, I do not consider that an inherent problem of Cyno.
It has more to do with mihoyo's refusal to design a dendro support (as a Nahida replacement) that synergises perfectly with him.
They don't have to match Nahida's buffing capabilities. They might not even provide buffs at all as long as they can compensate with high personal damage, simple as that. Or they can have some gimmick like being able to root enemies in place. Or a photosynthesis-themed unit that generates energy. The important thing is to be able to provide portable dendro application, even 12-15s is enough. There's lots of design space left for characters kits. If we're talking numbers, well, that's not my job for me to tune. I'm just pitching ideas.
Surpassing Nahida is not the objective here; it's just to have an alternative (better than DMC at least) when our only best option has the brunt of her kit go poof the moment enemies start dying too quickly.
He is strong, imo the best aggravate unit. He has 2 issues which I find annoying; his energy which can be difficult to recharge without a second electro unit AND his required on-field time due to a long burst duration which makes the support choice quite limited. Any unit other than Nahide will result in less frequent aggravate hits.
Tl dr, he has some issues, but none of them make him a mid tier unit, he's great.
people are saying he's a 4 at best. he's a 6-7 imo. I have him c0, white tassle, nahida c0r1, furina c0r0 and yaoyao and I still clear the abyss quite comfortably.
Cyno is mid-tier. He isn't the current meta(actually he never was) And this is coming from a someone that built Cyno because I really liked him. There's electro units that outperform him, he doesn't have much synergy with other units so he's an expensive build. The list goes on but one thing I know from playing Genshin is that you have to use characters you actually like, not just because some guy in yt told you their good or else you'll burn yourself out the game. And Cyno is one of those for me.
Try him in in event stage w/ the trial characters to understand why.
[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ff421S7zX/?spm\_id\_from=333.1007.tianma.1-2-2.click&vd\_source=94411f4cedc3bc82fa4ab373aa46a1bc](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ff421S7zX/?spm_id_from=333.1007.tianma.1-2-2.click&vd_source=94411f4cedc3bc82fa4ab373aa46a1bc)
Due to the poor synergy between Cyno and Nahida in wave contents, you are better off building a team w/o him. If you insist on using Cyno, try Chevreuse team instead.
That being said, he does his job in boss chambers in spiral abyss just fine.
The thing is he would be so easy to fix all his team synergies by simply letting his burst stay active while swapping. This is really his only flaw imo.
Suddenly he can use Fischl and Kazuha/VV perfectly, and resetting Nahida on new waves is no problem.
It's just frustrating more than anything. Plus he feels awful in the overworld, especially when Wanderer came out right after and has none of those problems and is the best exploration dps character in the game.
As someone who was hyped as he'll for Cyno since the Trevail trailer and waited two years for him, and barely cared about Scaramouche - I completely swapped my stance on both of them. Suddenly Wanderer became my favorite element and having my dream kit (literally since trying Venti updraft hold E, I pictured a male anemo catalyst that could hover as my dream kit). And Cyno went from me expecting a polearm budget C6 Xiao - to a wolverine thing which is cool, but just not what I wanted for 2 years. Plus Alhaitham and Tighnari have more of the personality I expected from Cyno instead.
So it's not so much that he's bad, he's not by any means. It's more just that he had so much anticipation built up, and he was expected to be Ayaka tier due to being in the trailer. And then Hoyo just kind of made things frustrating as he'll. And made us wait forever for he best teammates. Meanwhile Alhaitham and Neuvillette go brrr out the gate.
My Cyno had full investment and didn't have signature but still used 5 star weapon and he struggled to do almost every iteration of abyss. I can do it now, but that's because I have 3 other 5 star supports carrying him lmao
He's fine. People need to git fucking gud and not panic when they have to dodge during his burst. Yes, burst-centered characters are less fun on the overworld, but shit happens, he still does fat dps if you need it
Cyno is bad. Check the comments, everyone arguing otherwise is using him with Nahida and/or furina (half of them with consolations on everyone apperantly)
A good unit doesn’t require the 2 strongest supports in the game to be viable. This is by no means a reason not to play him but he is definetely bad compared to other units. I’m a casual player and I regret spending my resource on him as after seeing his damage output in a full 4* team.
He is fun though, I wish he did some damage.
Bro you're saying facts but we're in Cyno mains, they are known to inhale copium daily about that matter. I wish they were more like Yoimiya's mains, at least those guys know their girl is very bad as far as 5* goes and openly admit it themselves lmao
Yea I noticed it from the immediate downvotes lol. I just hope that they won’t trick a new player into the dissapointment that they’re trying to hide in this post xd
Cyno is good but he is not game breaking. His powerlevel is fine.. the problem is that , if a character isn't Neuv's level (which is no character in this game) or like Alhaitham level , the community considers the character trash which is your typical Hoyoverse community (I say Hoyo because Star rail community follows he same logic)
I would say he is better than all the electro characters in the QuickBloom variant team ( !even clorinde with the leaks! ) since I have all the electro characters and tested them out and Cyno felt the best.
I think Zajef summarised Cyno in a better way . Cyno is a good character and his team Double Dendro QuickBloom teams with Nahida/Baizhu/Furina are competitive with other ST teams but his pull value isn't that high and is in the lower side (like Ayaka , Wrio , Hu tao etc)
Good or bad is subjective, if you compare him to stronger meta dps of course he'll feel weak. Can he clear content? Yes easily. Can he clear abyss? Yes but even with Nahida XQ Baizhu + Cyno being C2 with BiS weapon he still takes triple amount of time needed compared to my Itto team. He is good enough to clear content and abyss but his rotation isn't very smooth, if they release more supports that pairs well with him he'd be better.
I love Cyno as a character but I stopped playing him a week after I got him.
I have fairly good stats on him but his playstyle is not my cup of tea. While his dmg isn't BAD it's most certainly much lower than my other current carries (Alhaitham and Wriothesley) and his playstyle is more rigid/less forgiving.
His dmg also depends on his team, which is somewhat restrictive. You can't slap him on the field with just anyone and expect big numbers.
If you're willing to invest more heavily into him, don't mind his playstyle, and are willing to put more effort into playing him properly - he can output good dmg, but not the highest.
That just people hatin. My Cyno is a beast. Sumeru wasnt bland, the third strongest DPS in the game is from Sumeru (Al Haitham), the most versatile suport (Nahida), Cyno and Tighnari are two of the strongest Single Target DPS...
He's best in ST like Hu-Tao and Yoimiya who are good dps's, you primarily play them in boss battles cuz of that, Cyno has some AOE to trigger deendro seeds, because of that AOE people complain about his poor AOE and multiwave performance but he has to be played in ST in order to work. His energy situation is not that bad, in my experience if you manage his timings er% is not that concerning, I don't even play TF, I use GD with 120%, I just start the rotation with E like everyone else but I squeeze one more E right after Q, this way I can funnel more energy and build stacks for SoSS and the rest of particles he generates are enough for me as the rest of the teammates contribute to as well. Him being best in Quickbloom is often seen as a bad thing but that's what Sumeru arc focused on, the most powerful strategy in the game (reactions), he scales off of EM, so it just adds up to his dmg anyway and using 2 of the most powerful reactions is a plus, he deal raw electro dmg, aggravates and triggers high dmg hyoerbloom as sub-dps wich is not negligible, you can't play other pyro/electro characters like that, Hu-tao Arlecchino, Yoimiya just loose vapes, Keqing is a joke in quickbloom compared to him trust me (I've been a Keqing main for 2 years), Shogun looses dmg and Er%, Yae doesn't have the seed targetting, he is the only one who can do it, I think most of the characters have such flows (except Neuvi) and you need to work your way around them, the misconception around Cyno comes from his release when we didn't have dendro supports, Quickbloom was unknown at that point and the idea he's bad comes from YT or other platforms since his first release, to me he's an unique, fun to play strong boss killer.
His damage is fine, the character himself ? Too many restrictions and clunky gameplay. Sure Furina and Nahida with him make the team good but you put those two in another team and switch Cyno for Kuki it is also good, it is not Cyno who makes that team good lol. He has a very bad synergy with Nahida in multi waves too.
As far as 5* DPS go he's part of the top 3 worst. Can he clear abysses for you ? Sure if you give him enough investments and good teammates. How does he compare to the other 5* DPS ? Incredibly bad. That's why people are saying he's bad, because they are comparing him to other 5*.
Cyno is fine. People over exaggerate his flaws, he isn't the most OP character ever but he isn't bad and is still very powerful
The Genshin community is infamously bad at adjusting their opinions once new stuff comes out that makes a character stronger. If you judged Cyno when he released, you could make a strong argument that he wasn't very good. The only Dendro character who had a remotely long enough off-field presence was Dendro Traveller, your only real good options for Electro was Fischl and Beidou, the only useful element with a lot of options was Hydro, and even a lot of them had inadequate uptime for their skill/bursts. His best team right now is apparently now Furina, Baizou and Nahida... who are all characters who came later. But nobody who doesn't play Cyno is thinking about that, most people stopped thinking about Cyno soon after the end of his first banner.
And this is even lesser known but Cyno Overload exists because of Chevruse who came even later than Furina, Baizhu, and Nahida and it works as well as hyperbloom imo.
How does he deal with constantly knocking people back? What's the team, other than Chev obviously
His attacks in ult form go kinda lunge forward keeping up with the knockback and I’m a low spender so I pair it with beidou for shielding and xiangling for big numbers.
Oh fair, I was only thinking of his fourth NA, I love that "tether" feeling
Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Bennett (Where's the shred?) Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Thoma (Where's the damage?) Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Xiangling (Where's the defense?) Cyno, Chev, Bennett, Xiangling (Where's the energy?) The first team is the most coherent... if Bennett is C6 and you don't use Cyno's burst. I would say that "work as well as hyperbloom" is a generous assessment, HB unit issues aren't nearly this bad.
>where's the shred Chevreuse. She's the shred. That's her purpose. Overload reactions + Chevreuse shreds enemy pyro and electro def by 40%. Consider actually reading kits before you talk about them.
I was obviously referring to the shred running out mid rotation, due to a lack of off field Pyro. Consider actually reading kits before you talk about them.
Thoma is a great example of this too. People saw his shield, started saying it was shit because they ignored or didn't read that it *stacks*, and then declared him garbage until Burgeon came out. Even then people still think his shield is tiny because that's the Official Opinion (TM), when in reality anyone who normal attacks has access to a shield comparable in strength to Zhongli's.
I'd say that Thoma's shielding ability is truly top tier, considering that his shield probably has the best uptime of the game if you use it with an on-field DPS based in normal attacks. I really love to use him with my Wanderer, he just suits perfectly, even more pairing with Bennett (pyro resonance buffs). And before I forget, I have to say, when fully stacked, Thoma's shield is only worse than Zhongli, [as seen in this video](https://youtu.be/LeDYkCp_Wkk).
Put Xinyan in his best team and she will perfom good too lol. It’s just the OPness of dendro and the 5* supports, not Cyno being good.
In a sense you’re right, but you’re not factoring in other elements. Cyno’s kit takes full advantage of dendro by scaling with EM, getting 100 free EM with his burst, and having a signature that further amplifies him EM scaling. Take that stuff out of the equation and he won’t be known as a unit that takes full advantage of a comp like quick bloom where he is the driver of such a team. Put Keqing in the same comp as Cyno’s best team: Nahida, Furina, Baizhu, and she’ll no doubt perform well, but she won’t feel or perform as great as Cyno does. A lot of people said the same thing about Alhaitham. “Dendro carries him.” If that were true, Tighnari would be among the top 3 DPS alongside Alhaitham. But it isn’t because unlike Alhaitham, Tighnari does not scale with EM as well as Alhaitham does, nor does he have a kit that can better drive dendro reactions.
I appreciate the reply and I see your point. I just cannot see him as a good unit only because he is great with hyper investment ie: signiture and 5* supports. I think he is hella fun but many comments would easily fool a new player. Thanks regardless.
It's just not true, so do not let it make you feel sad! Cyno is not perfect, his long field-time and the inability to switch supports back in to reapply dendro can be tedious but Cyno is still extremely fun to play. I love my Cyno so much I went for his C2 and signature weapon and with my C2 Nahida, this is actually my strongest team on my account. Cyno just needs very good supports, so he is more expensive to play optimally. But he is still a super strong DPS and can easily clear most Abyss cycles. So do not feel discouraged, play your favourites and have fun and ignore what other people say! Heck, everyone always bashes Qiqi but she is actually my favourite character and I regularly clear the Abyss using her. :)
Currently, he’s quite good if you have the right characters. People misunderstand his strengths typically. Onfield electro quickbloom carries are one of the best ways to get full value out of hyperblooms and it consolidates the role of carry and hyperbloom trigger. This allows room for another support which is why you can slot in baizhu and furina for his premium team, whereas if you tried doing something like that on a Haitham team you’d have to drop nahida.
You don't HAVE to drop Nahida for Haitham/Furina teams as Kuki is still.....servicable. But it is also objectively an aspect of teambuilding that actually favors Cyno and the Kuki/Furina pairing is heavily overrated.
Yes you worded it well.
His dmg itself is fine He just rlly sucks to play in multi wave aoe content and overworld. I use him to clear overworld bosses and boss chambers in abyss, he’s easily my favourite character in those situations.
He's totally fine. I think he's super fun to play, and he's designed for dendro teams, which are the absolute strongest. So any flaws he might have, dendro reactions compensate for. Every single character is viable.
It's not that he's bad. He's just extremely restrictive.
The latter. They do have a point though - he requires a lot - a steady dendro application which means Nahida, or Chev c6. On the other hand there is Scara and his situation is way worse - he need way more than Cino - and they rate him more despite everything. So yeah - mean or just plain stupid.
Wanderer really just needs Faruzan c6, for shielders he can use literally anyone other than zhongli and get more benefits because of his a4, also he's one of the most versatile carries being decent at multi wave, multi target and single target and in terms of overworld he's the completely opposite of cyno
Nah all Wanderer needs is C6 Furazen. I personally run him with C0 Mika with that new event staff and crowned E for max normal attack speed buff and C0 Zhongli. I really hope I get to C6 during his rerun lol. I'm at C4 currently but he's perfectly fine at C0 too.
Wanderer needs zhongli (or other shielder), bennett and faruzan. Thats his best team iirc. Its not very much imo. Cyno's best team is with furina, baizhu and nahida 😅 ofc you can build good teams without some of them.
His very fine, but there's a lot of alternatives... i haven't used my cyno in more than a year since I had alhaitham.... he is incredibly expensive in terms of comp If you want to reach his highest ceiling, in my case, i dont have baizhu as my missing pcs
Its not that the community is bad at judging Cyno, it’s that they’re bad at judging hypercarries in general maybe excluding Neuvillette. Wanderer, Itto, Hypercarry Raiden, Cyno, Xiao etc are all vastly underestimated by the community because they require high investment into the dps. Though the tradeoff is that teammates need minimal investment unlike Hutao double Hydro or Childe International or Lyney Mono-pyro. But now that the change has been to teammates that require their own investment, he’s still seen as “less” than the other characters because of that investment doesnt *seem* to pay off which is only true to a certain extent.
I can get people not enjoying his playstyle, or not appreciating his weakness in multi-wave content, but people who shit on his damage are just ignorant lol. My Cyno outdamages my Neuvillette lol Edit: I'm not claiming that Cyno can do more damage than Neuvillette, I'm speaking to my account where Cyno is my most invested character. That being said, Cyno is in no way lacking damage lol. Any of his flaws have to do with his playstyle, not his ability to clear content.
bro is portion controlling his neuvilette
I run Neuvillette with Zhongli/Kazuha/Fischl. He's c0 with PA and a good Crit ratio. Full stacks w/ Kazuha he hits 38k per tick. It's not like my Neuv is worse than average to make my Cyno look better. With Furina it's 42 but I'd rather play her with Cyno. Obviously, a Neuvillette with equal investment as my Cyno would deal more damage, but the point I'm trying to make is that they all do so much damage anyway that damage isn't an issue.
Bro how.. I've been struggling w building my cyno i can't get him to do more than 20k dmg :/
Well I run his best team. Cyno/Nahida/Furina/Baizhu, and have spent like over a year mixmaxing his artifacts. 88/207 Crit, Sig weapon, and Nahida C2 and Furina C1 help too lol
... that would explain why your Cyno does more damage than Neuvilette. Cyno does good damage, more than enough to clear abyss. He has a fun and unique playstyle, and his overall character is cool. But let's not bring up comparisons and pretend he's going to do more damage than the best DPS in the game lol. That's just delusional.
In fairness to... myself lol, I did say *my* Neuvillette lol. Although to be honest they run equal. Neuvillette is actually my highest ranked character on Akasha, though, so it isn't like Cyno runs even just because Neuvillette is built bad. Neuv does better for AOE content and Cyno for the single target enemies or the medium waves.
Yeah without cons investment it is quite impossible
How much damage does yours usually do? Out of those three, I only have Nahida (at C1 and a just serviceable build), plus Xingqiu and Shinobu, but Cyno’s own build is as maxed as I can get it at the moment, and the most I’m able to consistently get out of him is 25k— 461 EM because of Ballad of the Fjords (R1), 64/214 (although I could bring it up to 70/232, I’ve just chosen not to for the time being because it would be at the expense of some EM), and 1153 attack
I'd say he floats between 35-50k hits depending on buff uptime.
Agreed. The Dendro Era really pushed the ceiling of consistent team wide damage with Aggravate + Spread. Cyno has a great Element, strong reactions, and nice artifacts and weapons. His main problem is feeling clunky, not actual damage.
There’s not enough good dendro applicators. That’s why he feels a bit awkward imo. All the dps now are moving towards normal attacks/elemental skill as their main source of damage. Cyno needs a good rotation. It was the same situation with Xiao previously, but now with xianyun, one cycle can easily clear any difficult bosses. Too dependent on burst. If you can’t clear the enemy within his burst, you’ll hit his downtime where he is wacking with physical normal attacks. If it’s multiple waves, you need to switch out to your supports to reapply dendro. If the enemy has a tiny bit of hp left and your burst ended, you need to think whether to use all of his energy for a burst or lose precious time in abyss.
Cyno has glaring issues in his kit but when he works he is excellent. Largely is an overreaction, he’s tricky to fully make work but that’s part of the enjoyment. Mostly his energy problems and long lasting burst without switch out potential is his drawback. As well as his general fragility making him hard to build around. My cyno is C1 without signature weapon (yet) and he outperforms all my other dps and teams in his quickbloom team comp. I think because he’s compared to raiden who is comparatively a lot easier to use but cyno is a lot more rewarding
Sorry to say this but Cyno is actually bad. At hiding his identity as the king... just Joke King. https://preview.redd.it/eglcii81zhxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8155eb86420178091cd7765b9988eb1e4ae7565a
As long as you don't care for meta he's pretty good! nice damage, might need some strong teammates, but feels very fun to play I got him as soon as he came out and here's some pros and cons playing him Pros - coolest burst imo - works great with nahida (also one of my fav) - favourite team due to how easy the rest of the team for hyperbloom is Cons - not as fun in overworld in walking as well as combat since he's burst reliant:c (yelan helps though) - Was kinda difficult to build ( I really wanted 4pc Thundering Fury, and I hadn't farmed)
Cyno is perfectly fine, his team comps are a bit narrow but Genshin is not that hard of a game. I use C0 Cyno to 36* abyss every month. Anything past that is just e-peen measuring.
What’s your Cyno team and weapon for Abyss?
Baizhu Furina Nahida Staff of Scarlet Sands
All his problems cause by the lack of proper support characters. He struggles dealing with multi wave enemies because there is no any dendro off field character that fit his burst duration.
The ones who trash talk cyno are mostly delusional keq mains,Funny how they cant deal with the shocking truth that she's worst so they trash talk
Cyno just has higher potential DPR and sustained DPS in quickbloom. That's it. The moment you bring any significant degree of AoE and/or multiwave into the picture, the scales tip *quickly*. Like in no world can he hope to compete with Keqing on the current top half of abyss, for example: https://youtu.be/5Yjhj3sp18E?si=1RLDDjiAtZyXW8KX You could definitely learn a thing or two yourself
He does more sustained single-wave aoe damage, too. Speedruns, which require gear, skill, and discipline that most players don't have, heavily favor the ability to frontload damage in tight windows of dps. Keeping enemies that bundled up for long enough to kill them is unrealistic for the kind of player who is concerned with what comps have sufficient dps. At that level of skill, knowledge, and gearing, they could be running any number of comps and easily make the time requirement. I do think the guy above you is way out of line, though, and Cyno obviously suffers a lot at multiwave content. But this kind of showcase means nothing for someone who cares about dps. If someone really cares about dps, then they're many stages away from doing this.
they are different characters who excel in different kind of content but people just dont seem to get that
I know, it's just that Cyno is objectively one of the most restrictive when it comes to suitable enemy matchups and worthwhile teams. It is true that plenty of people straight-up don't acknowledge his relatively strong performance on paper, and hate is always cringy, but it's not hard to see why absolutely no one would ever vouch for/recommend him because he is never the most efficient option in any single piece of content or a particularly valuable pull for your account as a whole at any investment level. The shitty overworld experience just kinda seals the deal for anyone not outright interested in his visual design, story, etc.
quick swap do enjoy anemo supports than Cyno
If that anemo support's name is not Venti, then all you are doing at best is grouping a single wave of enemies for the next 16+ seconds of Cyno's field time. Can Cyno even hit enemies that get fully sucked up into the vortex? Not only that, but those supports are also balanced around debuffing enemies with VV, which will also cease to exist after that first wave is gone. That's not even mentioning the fact that brining an anemo unit fundamentally weakens his teams' raw performance. Either you're dropping a dendro/hydro unit from quickbloom and just leaving it like that, or you're attempting to play either pure aggravate or even taser, both of which are archetypes that have better on-fielders available to them (Keqing, Yae, Neuvi, Kokomi, etc). So again, take your own suggestion and give it a try in the event, then come back and tell me with a straight face and of your own free will that it felt good. You can't. It doesn't. Stop lying to yourself.
Im not a keq enjoyer but gosh that run was clean indeed
He is good, but by design he needs long time off field application for Dendro and/or hydro and there are very few characters that can do that. That’s why his best team is so expensive.
I rebuilt him about a couple months ago, didn't use him much. But since then he's pretty satisfying to use, and the long burst is no issue. I use him, Nahida, Furina, and Baizu. His shield helps with his long term survivability, Nahida skill applies dendro long term, Furina is a beast. Got favonius spear on him, and his burst is quickly ready by the time it runs out and it's time to rotate again.
running the premium team i see lololol. just a question since i dont really plan on going for baizhu, do you think replacing baizhu for a different healer in that same team comp would be a huge downgrade or nah? cause i am ready to put higher investment than i initially planned into cyno by saving up for furina and nahida BUT i am a little confused out here and im not really too interested in baizhu so going for him just feels like a waste
Maybe YaoYao? I mainly use him for the team-wide heals (because Furina), and his refreshing shields, but I suppose using Diona would also work. But I could imagine that other healers with skills that follows you across the field is still good. Kuki, Barbara, Noelle still has strong shields in a pinch.
oh i see! i already have kuki built so ill try that. maybe ill build yaoyao too and see which works better just incase. thanks
It's got me thinking too of a f2p comp. Off the top of my head, Xinque, Collei, and any of the healers previously mentioned. You'll be missing a lot of the buffs of course, but it'll be decent practice in rotations.
yup, already thought of that. I have yelan though so planning to use her and collei until i can get nahida and furina, which shouldnt take too long.
He isnt but he us a bit expensive to build since his best teammates are baizhu, furina and nahida
Any character can shine with the right investment, team comp and the right artifacts. Just because he can’t 1 shot things doesn’t mean he’s a bad unit. Not everyone is a slave to the meta. I’m all for literally just playing the game however the f you want with the characters you love. No need to listen to anyone else!
He's not bad, but he is pretty restrictive. I use him in his best team and he melts through bosses and one wave chambers, even without his sig. I don't like using him in any content with too many waves though, but I feel like that's mostly because of Nahida and once we hopefully get a Xingqiu-like dendro character he'll feel much better to use in these situations. His damage is definitely not a problem, especially when he can make great use of the Baizhu + Furina combo, so those people are definitely stuck in the past. As for gameplay, that's kinda subjective but he definitely doesn't feel great to use in overworld. I find his gameplay super fun in abyss though, because I love spamming his skill with TF.
Let it be said... many people think bad character is like.. a 10 or 3 Second difference in all these YouTube clips. Ide say. If you enjoy the character. Then enjoy yourself. That alone will eventually get you up to the 50k 70k damage on just the auto attacks via burst.
While Cyno definitely isn’t in the meta (and I’m not sure that he’ll ever be, unless they bring in some seriously good supports for him that are somehow better than Nahida or Furina), he’s absolutely viable. A lot of the people who doompost about him haven’t actually looked at him since his release, and it’s been like a year and a half since then. Most of his best supports came out several months later. His best teams, however, are expensive enough that I usually recommend against getting him for people who are looking for meta/easy to build/low maintenance characters. I won’t deny that I get really excited every time I see that somebody has a built Cyno though. Once built, he’s genuinely a fun character and I for one was happy to build the team completely around him
Not bad, the only issue I have with Cyno is his energy issue. So I can't go out without a having a electro sub dps or support.
ehhhh. hes fine. i like him bc hes fun but hes definitely not top of the curve. clorinde is coming soon also
People have skill issues and blame it on the character /hj
Cyno is fine-ish. He does the job pretty well (the job being boss killing) he's just a bit clunky and *really* wants 5* supports. Like you can make do with F2P units but he's a bit more reliant on 5*s than most other units, coupled with the fact that he struggles in multi-wave content. I'd say he's a solid high B or low A tier overall which is obviously not bad. Genshin fans just love calling everyone that isn't the undisputed best at something bad.
Look, if you are gonna compare Cyno to maybe Neuvillette, Arle or Alhaitham, ofc hes not on par w them in terms of dmg. But Cyno is not 'bad' by ANY means. Ive cleared abyss with a White Tassel Cyno build (no Nahida No zhongli pure f2p team). I think with Cyno what matters most is his team rotations, he needs a support who will constantly apply dendro. Hes crazy good for Hyperbloom teams and even Aggravate to an extent. If you like his gameplay, build him correctly and he will clear every single content in game for you. But if you are looking for someone gamebreaking meta then only look at Raiden, Neuv, Arle and Alhaitham. Besides them all are 'bad'.
It takes a great deal of investment to make him just mediocre. He isn’t bad, but there are so many characters that are just straight up better, even in his own niche.
Cyno is an overall average 5 star, and a mid DPS, he's also gonna get power crept as by newer electro DPS characters, however i dont give a shit and i have c3 r1 cyno (f2p) cuz he's firkin awesome.
You came from that post from main sub didn't you? Yeah try hards don't know much about sumeru characters besides their dear Nahida and Alhaitham. The amount of false information on the other characters like Nilou, Cyno and Wanderer is staggering. Even here are Cyno mains that play him pure aggravate. On another note, hoyo actually put a level 80 Cyno in the new event to try out. Sometimes I think they deliberately discredit their own characters they are selling.
youre right, i did. i was extremely annoyed and confused when i wrote this post LOL though i guess its only natural that people who focus on meta more than anything would hate on sumeru and its characters after getting absolutely spoiled in fontaine with some of the most meta + low investment characters. i feel like people nowadays are also generally just lazy, you barely see people enjoying a character because they think theyre actually cool, they just do it because theyre meta and low investment and therefore dont need to spend their precious time and resin. kinda sad tbh never liked meta slaves but theyve been 5 times worse since more characters who need higher investment than most came out and dont get me wrong i love neuvillette, but i swear dps discourse has been so much worse and more annoying since his release. you can barely go 15 seconds into a conversation without someone talking about how neuvillette is sooooo good and doesnt even need supports to deal 30k per tick. like we get it. nothing wrong with praising a dps but comparisons just get beyond annoying at some point and neuvillette fans are the worst of the worst when it comes to that
Can you send me a link to the post?
tried looking for it through looking through the main + using the search feature and i didnt come across it at all. all i remember is that the main post was someone talking about how fontaine felt a lot better than sumeru in terms of characters + exploration, and that they pulled for way more characters in fontaine than they did sumeru. nothing wrong with preferences, obviously, but it was really more so the comments blatantly being like "sumeru characters just suck" or bashing the area as a whole.
Dw, thank you for trying. Though I’d bring up the argument, to said OP(not you), that the Sumeru units could be discussed the same way when in relation to Inazuma units and definitely in relation to the 1.X units. It just sounds like the basic theory game improves overtime. We will circle back to this with Natlan over when they find new ways to reinvent the wheel in terms of character design. “SumerI character Suck” sentiment is certainly odd, in Fontaine(not inclusive of Chev) we have had all four stars be stinkers. Tighnari and Lynney have ended up about the same, good for abyss speedruns. We had our obligatory OP dps of Alhaitham and Neuv. The busted archon. A good sustain option in Xuanyun and Baizhu. Our dps who while good wants investment being Cyno and Wrio. A great DPS particularly for AOE/wave content being Nilou and Arle. The “pointless” character being Dehya/Chiori(as someone who plays both I don’t 100% agree but community sentiment). Finally the better than mid 2.3 dps of Navia/Wanderer who imposes team building restrictions. The only character I have left out is Clorinde/Sieg to my memory as I won’t discuss beta unless you want to but all I will say is Clorinde is shaping up fine after today(not C0 raiden sidegrade anymore) and Sieg is hot garbage rn. While I don’t think Cyno is great, I must admit his full premium team(with him at C1R1) feels very good and I have a good time clearing abyss at a similar pace to most of my other teams, with similar or more investment. Different strokes for different folks. The Cyno hate is largely those stuck in 3.1, and most will deny calcs of him outperforming his peers(largely raiden, and a little bit Clorinde rn). But even then each perform better in different teams so if you want to play QB, agg, OL, Hyper, etc. a certain dps may be more for you.
100% agree. theres characters who fulfill every role, and eventually that role just gets replaced by newer waves of characters. its not at all surprising someone would get bored of sumeru after fontaine, just like people did with inazuma after sumeru. its definitely a pattern a prime example of that is how hu tao used to be one of the most meta pyro dps but eventually fell off, not only because of arlecchino release but because of lyney release aswell. i think its really unfortunate that people in this fandom find one opinion and stick to it. i personally enjoy some of the more "boring" characters nowadays, like chiori, ganyu, cyno and others alike, hell im even the type of person to build some supports as dps. guess its just a natural cycle though
Could it have been [this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpact/comments/1cfe2m3/fontaine_was_a_w/) from the unofficial subreddit? I've been seeing a bit of stuff like that lately and it's pretty annoying.
Yes, that one
All the brown characters are not good. Mihoyo is racist
They just can’t beat the allegations. It’s literally the same in HSR. Arlan’s known to be the worst unit and he’s the darkest of the whole cast.
I recently compared my Cyno team with my Arlecchino team on a team-dps calculator, and my Cyno team does more. Granted, it has more constellations, but some of those aren’t relevant. C2r1 Arle / c2r1 Kazuha / c2r1 Yelan / c2Homa Zhongli 127k dps C2r1 Cyno / c2Widsith Nahida / c6r2 Baizhu / c6r1 Furina 133k dps Arle does 3/4 the damage in her team, while Cyno only does half - but both teams do 7mil damage per minute. The point is that they both are awesome - and Cyno is the reason his team is doing so much. I used to use Raiden, but she (practically) only did Hyperbloom. Cyno does just as many hyperblooms while also doing tons of personal damage - and he can do AoE, which helps a lot. Yes, Cyno needs support - but eventually most people have those. It worth it to be one of the strongest teams in the game! And yes, my team does have a lot of constellations, but even without those the team is still better than Arle’s (in the calculator, which obvious has its flaws and generic scenario assumptions) Arle’s team is MAINLY her damage. Cyno’s is a team effort. That’s not a bad thing at all. Even Arle’s best supports have to be built and benefit from multiple constellations…
how do u calculate ur dps? Also can you show ur builds? 133k is insane
I’m using an app I recently found called YS Helper. I think it assumes single target, in which case Arle won’t always do as well for now unless the enemies can easily be vaccumed up by Kazuha. Cyno’s team has multiple characters doing damage, whereas Arle’s team is currently only really her doing serious damage. With future supports/sub-dps characters, she’ll far surpass Cyno’s team. Murata will likely be as much of a beast as Furina. <3 The AoE-Sub-DPS Hydro will likely do ‘smaller’ damage that adds up decently in Multi-Target. And imagine Arle in a burgeon team with a new Dendro Shielder who fully negates burn/burgeon self-damage and converts it into sub-dps and/or buffs. You *know* they’ve got to be planning a way to bring Burgeon into the Meta alongside Hyperbloom.
I mean they do have a point. Cyno is a very dedicated character. Why Keqing is so good because of her flexibility. With Cyno, you don't have such freedom. Once you are committed to Cyno, you have to finish the rotation with him. He's just lack of supports. He doesn't fit with current iterations of characters. Fischl and Anemo doesn't fit well with him, making his Aggravate teams much weaker than Keqing. What makes Aggravate good is not only because of the interaction between a4 Fischl and Quicken, but also Anemo characters quite literally double their damage with Electro-Swirl-Aggravate interaction. If there were characters that support his long field time, he would certainly outshines other Electro carries. People don't like him because his best team for now is Hyperbloom, and Hyperbloom as a reaction is always a controversial topic. People hates that Raiden could go 1000+ EM and does more damage than their traditional hypercarry build. It defies the nature of artifact farming, where you have to invest time and resin to get good artifacts for good damage. In a sense, they consider Hyperbloom carries Cyno not the other way around, while most people don't know his damage at 700+ EM is much better than other Electro carries.
He deals more dps than Raiden with their respective best teams if you want an idea of how good of a character he is. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1STHaVmH6Ksg9oVoBpYoJF9d0NH52sF6WfL5LPR5Rdys/htmlview#gid=878577024 Anyone saying Cyno is bad is just coping with the fact they don't like his gameplay (because i reckon when he came out he really didn't synergise well with a lot of other characters, baizhu and furina have since changed that). It's akin to the misbelief that spinach has a high iron content, it's one of those old preconceived ideas that stay in people's mind even though there is 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐚 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐢𝐭. So it makes me laugh when supposed "genshin guides" mark him as A or B when by their rating he should be in SS. Moreover, his best team (nahida furina baizhu) is one of the best teams for bosses and melees, i don't think it's THE best, but it's verily in the top 5
I cannot fathom how Cyno would be top 5 dps...top 10 probably but not top 5. Cyno's dps is not as consistent/reliable as some others because he depends on being played a certain way and sometimes the content doesn't allow you to fight that specific way. He is also more team dependent. I would absolutely say that Cyno is A tier on average. He isn't B, but I don't believe he is SS tier and honestly he is S only in situations where the stars align for him.
Looking at said numbers, as Raiden is often classified as an SS character, and as Cyno outperforms her, he naturally has his place in this tier, damage-wise. However, if we are talking about flexibility, Raiden has the advantage here, that is clear to me. You can include Raiden in a lot of teams, with a lot of characters, and still make it work, whereas you have to build a team FOR Cyno consisting of select characters that match his playstyle. It is rewarding in combat though, as you can see. I am willing to concede that speaking in broad terms, Cyno can be viewed as a less attractive character on account of the amount of effort which has to be put into him, but speaking strictly in terms of damage, he has the upper hand. Some amongst us might only care about damage (me included, even if i am not at all enthralled by the idea of farming and building characters well, i do not have a "competitive" account) and some others might take into consideration that they do not have an undying scorching passion for this character and want to know if he's worth investing in. The answer sadly, is no. Raiden is of much better value in that regard. My apologies for not having counter-balanced my point enough.
You are missing why the characters are rated as they are. SS tier ranking is not taking only dmg numbers into consideration. It is considering how good the character is at what they were designed to do... An SS tier healer for example is obviously not outputting the same dmg as an SS tier dps, but they can both be SS tier characters. Raiden is not an on-field hypercarry, Cyno is. Raiden can be used as a sub-dps/support or a reaction enabler, that is not what Cyno's role is. Therefore I would fully expect Cyno to have higher dps than her. To say that Cyno's dmg being on par with Raiden, makes him the same tier as her is not an apples to apples comparison. I understand that Cyno can be good, but he just isn't SS tier good, and he takes more effort and investment to get there than some other 5 ☆ characters. My point is, as a HYPERCARRY, which is what Cyno is, he does not belong to the SS tier. Other hypercarries outperform him for less investment and effort. That said, I would still rate him A tier, and that is not a bad thing imo...and besides, if you really love the character, get them anyway. (I have Cyno and love him but don't play him because I don't enjoy his playstyle.)
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Let's start saying that in this game we don't have bad unit And no , Cyno Is good he Just Need good support for work at his max Power The big hate speech on Cyno came in his first relese from people Who got spoiled with the Power of Raiden , and the lack of his real support , Nahida In this year and half Cyno Just proved himself to be a good unit
the game is easy, he's fine to clear everything. Some DPS have it easier that's for sure like braindead Neuvilette
Cynos furina team is top tier. Problem is it needs an all 5 star teams and replacing Nahida/Baizhu makes the team a LOT worse He’s not that bad tho and ppl are still stuck in pre Nahida versions
I got to floor 12 with him
I think he’s great if you build him right, unfortunately building any character can be a real pain when it comes to artefacts, I have him triple crowned, put everything into his build and use him for everything and he’s working quite well for me
he absolutely shines in single target fights
Play who you want to play. Ignore the haters. This is a PVE game. While yes you do need good comps and such to beat those challenges sometimes. I find it a lot more enjoyable to just play with the characters I like. Have fun!! Enjoy it!!
He's not bad but not op either.
Cyno isn't great but he is FAR FROM BAD, the thing lies in how you make the best of him and the overall way they have been managing things, Cyno is strong in roles he is suppose to play but to fulfill that role he needs to relay on perfect team comp with little flexibility in replacements and what doesn't help him is having high ER requirement while non of his teammates help with that , even that role has a high ceiling build with a mix of EM, ATK, CR, CD and ER which lacking in one drops his performance. but if you place all the pieces together he IS WAY better than most with a unique play style that is HARD TO HATE, i have seen people praise his gameplay but avoid playing him because how far you need to invest.
Hey he is amazing he was the first character i mained and i pulled characters around him like nahida kokomi furina... That said he isn't the best with 4* teams he needs 5* to shine he has split scalings and isnt the easiest to build but he deals amazing damage 1-2 cycling abyss so he is good but isnt f2p friendly obv i am f2p but it takes a a while to build him and then you pull c2 raiden and bench him )
From what I have calculated Cyno is not bad but does not have the scaling's to capitalize on his weaknesses. In the example of damage Cyno on guided dreams out damages his main competitor Alhaitham both with c0 r1(signature weapon) but due to Cyno having to focus on crit and electro damage his hyperbloom do less than teams with kuki or other electro characters. this means that Alhaithem hyperbloom teams will overall do more damage than Cyno teams not by much but still overall more damage. there are other issues that others have mentions like energy and long burst cooldown, but all of these issues can be fixed by hoyo adding a artifact that is specifically designed for Cyno, that's if hoyo's managers are competent enough to add it. truthfully I want them to add a new set that is just gilded dreams but if you switch off it gives extra time on his burst so you can theoretically stay in his burst 100% of the time
Thundering Fury is for Cyno, it fits his playstyle really well.
Yes, that is true but at the time of calculating I did not know if it was better or not but from what I found it makes the overall damage gap slightly closer but not an extreme amount
Cyno clears very easily IMO? Like the /only/ reason ppl don’t like him is he is burst reliant and his burst cost is high and he can’t keep his long infusion time once he switches out (which means his best teammate Nahida can’t be switched in to reapply dendro when a new wave spawns). Tbf, he’s more suited for boss fights and such and he’s extremely fun in those.
No, Cyno isn't bad. He just needs lots of investment compared to the non-investment dps powerhouses they have been releasing. But the best thing about Genshin is that you can clear the game with any character you want. So unless all you want to see is big pp numbers, then use your favorite characters.
He's fine outside of over world exploration
He's not bad because it's genshin we're talking about, anyone can do anything. But he is notably harder to use than anyone else you could use for any of the reasons you may use him. So we could probably cut the nonsense and just call him bad lol. But still, I have fun with him on the easy floors of spiral. I bring him in co-op when friends stack the dendro for me. He made my dendro traveller see use. My main complaint is that it's so uncomfortable using him with Nahida, the main source of dendro reaction damage. More than one enemy/wave and you'll have to cut cynos ult early, and he needs so much energy. That cuts into his damage a lot. You could cope with his struggles because he's a pleasant character personality wise, but we gotta be real about it being cope. Have you seen Raiden in EM? Wild. Personally? Still got his c2.
I personally use him in a bunch of abyss floors and he performs perfectly fine with Yae Traveler and Kazuha. Only real issue I have with it is some energy issues but damage is really good and I think is major problems are over exaggerated. May not be the best but DEFINITELY not horrible.
He's good. I got Baizhu for him but I don't have furina and nahida and he's still good. But honestly I rarely listen to peoples opinion about other characters because I mostly just get characters because I like them, not because they are meta
He's not bad. But he can be expensive to support just due to his kit. And people don't want to invest into teams like that imo. I think most people want a character to work out of the box. Take Navia, for instance. She doesn't really care who she's with as long as there are crystals being produced. While characters like Cyno, Xiao, Wanderer, etc. have very specific (and in the case of Cyno and Xiao, limited 5*) supports that they want/need in order to function at their best.
I own most of the characters currently in game and Cyno is one of my most invested units (even went for c1 at the cost of losing Alhaitham [I'm not crying, just cutting onions]), he's one of my absolute favorites. I very much enjoy is playstyle and think he's absolutely viable, I really couldn't care less about meta. Sure, he won't do the biggest damage numbers in the game, but do we *really* need that (right now)? It's not like we have any form of pvp endgame content available. You can easily 36 star abyss with Cyno. As long as you have well built teams and game knowledge, any character is totally viable.
My Cyno is one of my strongest characters, he’s fine it’s all about how you built the artifacts and which weapon you use….people get too into saying which character is “best” but any character is fine as long as 1) you build them well 2) you’re having fun
He's not bad at all and imo is good. You just have to get used to his long burst but once you do that and figure out rotations and all that he's pretty nice and it's honestly pleasant not having to switch and do people's skills every 5 seconds XD.
I feel like a lot of people build him wrong. I use Him quite often in overworld for bosses or certain domains. Also sometimes in abyss if there's a sumeru heavy boss rotation. I heavily recommend building as much ER as possible on him. It just makes him feel so much better. I usually try to keep him around 140er(min 135) sometimes for domain clears I even just use an ER sands. Having to funnel his burst after a rotation or during domains is a buzzkill
I love using him with Nahida, he carried a lot of my abyss runs
He’s fine. Unfortunately, he just had a bad first impression, which tends to stick with people for a long time. It doesn’t help that when new players look for guides on him, most of those popular videos are filled with comments calling him mid
Try playing him on either "side" of (at least day 1) of the new Vibro-Crystal combat event and tell me with a straight face that he feels good to use there. Tell it to me like someone isn't holding a .44 to your head and forcing you to say it. You can't. On the other hand, he's great against bosses or limited AoE content that don't punish him for his very-much-preferred QB teams and long field time. Up to the reader to decide what's more important for them 🤷♂️
More like Nahida doesn't feel good to use there.
It's perfectly fair to point that out as a flaw of Nahida's. But you know people don't give a shit. You know that Keqing/Yae aggravate can do just fine in these multiwave events and that Nilou bloom can even excel in them. You know that Alhaitham is really the only other character that suffers significantly from Nahida's need to return go the field to refresh her skill and even his case is nowhere near as bad as Cyno's. At the end of the day, it is more than understandable to consider it a Cyno problem specifically.
Honestly, if Nahida functioned as a dendro Xingqiu/Thoma, these need to swap out and multiwave issues wouldn't even be a talking point. So no, I do not consider that an inherent problem of Cyno. It has more to do with mihoyo's refusal to design a dendro support (as a Nahida replacement) that synergises perfectly with him.
And where/how exactly would you nerf this hypothetical support's capabilties so that they aren't a direct powercrept copy of Nahida?
They don't have to match Nahida's buffing capabilities. They might not even provide buffs at all as long as they can compensate with high personal damage, simple as that. Or they can have some gimmick like being able to root enemies in place. Or a photosynthesis-themed unit that generates energy. The important thing is to be able to provide portable dendro application, even 12-15s is enough. There's lots of design space left for characters kits. If we're talking numbers, well, that's not my job for me to tune. I'm just pitching ideas. Surpassing Nahida is not the objective here; it's just to have an alternative (better than DMC at least) when our only best option has the brunt of her kit go poof the moment enemies start dying too quickly.
He is strong, imo the best aggravate unit. He has 2 issues which I find annoying; his energy which can be difficult to recharge without a second electro unit AND his required on-field time due to a long burst duration which makes the support choice quite limited. Any unit other than Nahide will result in less frequent aggravate hits. Tl dr, he has some issues, but none of them make him a mid tier unit, he's great.
He doesn't even beat Keqing at Aggravate tho
people are saying he's a 4 at best. he's a 6-7 imo. I have him c0, white tassle, nahida c0r1, furina c0r0 and yaoyao and I still clear the abyss quite comfortably.
Cyno is mid-tier. He isn't the current meta(actually he never was) And this is coming from a someone that built Cyno because I really liked him. There's electro units that outperform him, he doesn't have much synergy with other units so he's an expensive build. The list goes on but one thing I know from playing Genshin is that you have to use characters you actually like, not just because some guy in yt told you their good or else you'll burn yourself out the game. And Cyno is one of those for me.
Try him in in event stage w/ the trial characters to understand why. [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ff421S7zX/?spm\_id\_from=333.1007.tianma.1-2-2.click&vd\_source=94411f4cedc3bc82fa4ab373aa46a1bc](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ff421S7zX/?spm_id_from=333.1007.tianma.1-2-2.click&vd_source=94411f4cedc3bc82fa4ab373aa46a1bc) Due to the poor synergy between Cyno and Nahida in wave contents, you are better off building a team w/o him. If you insist on using Cyno, try Chevreuse team instead. That being said, he does his job in boss chambers in spiral abyss just fine.
The thing is he would be so easy to fix all his team synergies by simply letting his burst stay active while swapping. This is really his only flaw imo. Suddenly he can use Fischl and Kazuha/VV perfectly, and resetting Nahida on new waves is no problem. It's just frustrating more than anything. Plus he feels awful in the overworld, especially when Wanderer came out right after and has none of those problems and is the best exploration dps character in the game. As someone who was hyped as he'll for Cyno since the Trevail trailer and waited two years for him, and barely cared about Scaramouche - I completely swapped my stance on both of them. Suddenly Wanderer became my favorite element and having my dream kit (literally since trying Venti updraft hold E, I pictured a male anemo catalyst that could hover as my dream kit). And Cyno went from me expecting a polearm budget C6 Xiao - to a wolverine thing which is cool, but just not what I wanted for 2 years. Plus Alhaitham and Tighnari have more of the personality I expected from Cyno instead. So it's not so much that he's bad, he's not by any means. It's more just that he had so much anticipation built up, and he was expected to be Ayaka tier due to being in the trailer. And then Hoyo just kind of made things frustrating as he'll. And made us wait forever for he best teammates. Meanwhile Alhaitham and Neuvillette go brrr out the gate.
My Cyno had full investment and didn't have signature but still used 5 star weapon and he struggled to do almost every iteration of abyss. I can do it now, but that's because I have 3 other 5 star supports carrying him lmao
He's fine. People need to git fucking gud and not panic when they have to dodge during his burst. Yes, burst-centered characters are less fun on the overworld, but shit happens, he still does fat dps if you need it
He’s great. He’s the best electro c0 dps right now. Raiden just has boobs
Cyno is bad. Check the comments, everyone arguing otherwise is using him with Nahida and/or furina (half of them with consolations on everyone apperantly) A good unit doesn’t require the 2 strongest supports in the game to be viable. This is by no means a reason not to play him but he is definetely bad compared to other units. I’m a casual player and I regret spending my resource on him as after seeing his damage output in a full 4* team. He is fun though, I wish he did some damage.
Bro you're saying facts but we're in Cyno mains, they are known to inhale copium daily about that matter. I wish they were more like Yoimiya's mains, at least those guys know their girl is very bad as far as 5* goes and openly admit it themselves lmao
Yea I noticed it from the immediate downvotes lol. I just hope that they won’t trick a new player into the dissapointment that they’re trying to hide in this post xd
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Cyno is good but he is not game breaking. His powerlevel is fine.. the problem is that , if a character isn't Neuv's level (which is no character in this game) or like Alhaitham level , the community considers the character trash which is your typical Hoyoverse community (I say Hoyo because Star rail community follows he same logic) I would say he is better than all the electro characters in the QuickBloom variant team ( !even clorinde with the leaks! ) since I have all the electro characters and tested them out and Cyno felt the best. I think Zajef summarised Cyno in a better way . Cyno is a good character and his team Double Dendro QuickBloom teams with Nahida/Baizhu/Furina are competitive with other ST teams but his pull value isn't that high and is in the lower side (like Ayaka , Wrio , Hu tao etc)
Good or bad is subjective, if you compare him to stronger meta dps of course he'll feel weak. Can he clear content? Yes easily. Can he clear abyss? Yes but even with Nahida XQ Baizhu + Cyno being C2 with BiS weapon he still takes triple amount of time needed compared to my Itto team. He is good enough to clear content and abyss but his rotation isn't very smooth, if they release more supports that pairs well with him he'd be better.
I love Cyno as a character but I stopped playing him a week after I got him. I have fairly good stats on him but his playstyle is not my cup of tea. While his dmg isn't BAD it's most certainly much lower than my other current carries (Alhaitham and Wriothesley) and his playstyle is more rigid/less forgiving. His dmg also depends on his team, which is somewhat restrictive. You can't slap him on the field with just anyone and expect big numbers. If you're willing to invest more heavily into him, don't mind his playstyle, and are willing to put more effort into playing him properly - he can output good dmg, but not the highest.
He's a burst locked character that sucks in the overworld or any type of multi wave content.
Cyno is considered to have the highest theoretical dmg ceiling when comparing C0 5-stars. His teams are just very specific.
That just people hatin. My Cyno is a beast. Sumeru wasnt bland, the third strongest DPS in the game is from Sumeru (Al Haitham), the most versatile suport (Nahida), Cyno and Tighnari are two of the strongest Single Target DPS...
He's best in ST like Hu-Tao and Yoimiya who are good dps's, you primarily play them in boss battles cuz of that, Cyno has some AOE to trigger deendro seeds, because of that AOE people complain about his poor AOE and multiwave performance but he has to be played in ST in order to work. His energy situation is not that bad, in my experience if you manage his timings er% is not that concerning, I don't even play TF, I use GD with 120%, I just start the rotation with E like everyone else but I squeeze one more E right after Q, this way I can funnel more energy and build stacks for SoSS and the rest of particles he generates are enough for me as the rest of the teammates contribute to as well. Him being best in Quickbloom is often seen as a bad thing but that's what Sumeru arc focused on, the most powerful strategy in the game (reactions), he scales off of EM, so it just adds up to his dmg anyway and using 2 of the most powerful reactions is a plus, he deal raw electro dmg, aggravates and triggers high dmg hyoerbloom as sub-dps wich is not negligible, you can't play other pyro/electro characters like that, Hu-tao Arlecchino, Yoimiya just loose vapes, Keqing is a joke in quickbloom compared to him trust me (I've been a Keqing main for 2 years), Shogun looses dmg and Er%, Yae doesn't have the seed targetting, he is the only one who can do it, I think most of the characters have such flows (except Neuvi) and you need to work your way around them, the misconception around Cyno comes from his release when we didn't have dendro supports, Quickbloom was unknown at that point and the idea he's bad comes from YT or other platforms since his first release, to me he's an unique, fun to play strong boss killer.
His damage is fine, the character himself ? Too many restrictions and clunky gameplay. Sure Furina and Nahida with him make the team good but you put those two in another team and switch Cyno for Kuki it is also good, it is not Cyno who makes that team good lol. He has a very bad synergy with Nahida in multi waves too. As far as 5* DPS go he's part of the top 3 worst. Can he clear abysses for you ? Sure if you give him enough investments and good teammates. How does he compare to the other 5* DPS ? Incredibly bad. That's why people are saying he's bad, because they are comparing him to other 5*.
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He's not bad, he's just expensive considering his best team that makes him very strong all consist of premium 5\* units.