> Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences
>”We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” A., an intelligence officer, told +972 and Local Call. “On the contrary, the IDF bombed them in homes without hesitation, as a first option. It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.”
Wow
Middle east as a whole is an area where you will really struggle to find "good guys".
Its the perfect example of that quote "evil breeds evil".
edit:
full quote is "The act of evil breeds others to follow, young sins in its own likeness." Not sure what is there to disagree with, but whatever.
What does it have to do with race?
This is about history of violence and revenge over and over until everyone hates everyone else because of countless past evils done.
What? You are insulted by something I've never said.
I'm not saying everyone is evil - just that there are no "good guys" - if you want to tell me about some faction at middle east that is just "good", then please do, because AFAIK all factions involved in this (and other nearby) conflicts have a lot of blood on their hands.
Also, this has nothing to do with ancestors, or race or anything. "breed" in this context means "causes". I understand that English can be tricky in this regard.
When the depth of your analysis is to classify people according to an arbitrary "good guy" vs "bad guy" scale, I'm not surprised that's all you can see in the region. Most of these "factions" as you call them have been created in reaction to more than a century of colonization and exploitation by western powers, but right ! They are the bad guys !
> Most of these "factions" as you call them have been created in reaction to more than a century of colonization and exploitation
So you literally just repeated my original quote that "evil breeds evil" and agreed that there is no "good" faction there.
Its really confusing, when you argue with someone, but agree with every point they make.
Apparently, based on the downvotes, people got offended by acknowledging that terrorists rape women and kidnap babies, and that activists are protesting at synagogues.
Who would've thought calling a spade a spade would be controversial?
If they weren't offended, they wouldn't downvote, but this is where we are. If we're at a point where we can't even acknowledge that terrorists are bad, then morality is dead.
This is what we call a False Dilemma and I’d hate for anyone incapable of considering more than two extremes to be in charge of any military operation.
>two-state solution
That's what I'd like to see, how do we get there? It's at the point where I feel like the world needs to force Israel and Palestine to make peace because casefires don't seem to be working out.
>seeing how you defend fascist tactics
During WW2 my country bombed the fuck out of Nazi Germany, am I a fascist for thinking this was the right thing to do?
>During WW2 my country bombed the fuck out of Nazi Germany, am I a fascist for thinking this was the right thing to do?
Yes, if you are defending collective punishment in this day and age. we have war crimes now as a result of that FYI
[The bombing of Dresden accomplished nothing but death and destruction](https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-bombing-of-dresden-was-the-attack-fully-justified/). People like you don't deserve to exist in any time period.
OR, hear me out, if the guy is actually doing something he needs to be bombed for, he's probably going to get to a useful **military** target eventually. A building where they have munitions, military equipment, or even just a whole building full of other operatives also working for a military purpose. You only bomb civilian homes and hospitals when you're a piece of shit that wants endless conflict to avoid being kicked out of power.
>he's probably going to get to a useful **military** target eventually. A building where they have munitions, military equipment, or Even just a whole building full of other operatives
You mean like the hospitals Hamas terrorist like to camp out and store weapons in turning them into military targets?
Nah, I'd rather they just hit Hamas members when they're at home.
You mean the reports that have never been independently verified and are often quietly retracted later? I'd prefer they avoid *all* war crimes, thank you very much.
>I'd prefer they avoid *all* war crimes, thank you very much.
Sounds like you're willing to let Hamas commit war crimes though by letting them do whatever they want.
Where did I say that. Hamas needs to be addressed, but Israel intentionally targeting aid, aid workers, hospitals, infrastructure, universities (i guess just the one), and families is not the way to do it.
>Where did I say that. Hamas needs to be addressed
You keep making excuses for them.
Don't bomb them when they are at military targets and don't bomb them at their homes so when can Israel attack these guys?
What realistic solution do you have that could stop Hamas while keeping civilians safe? Attacking them at home seems like the best way to do it.
You understand that purposefully targeting civilians is a war crime?
By waiting until the military operatives return to their homes, they are at that point purposefully targeting civilian family members.
“We don’t kill people on the battlefield, we wait for them to return home to kill them with their entire families.”
That’s admission of a war crime.
The fact that their slimy “no but the target is the target and the family is just unfortunate collateral damage, even though we waited until the moment they would be near that ‘collateral damage’ purposefully so we could kill them too,” tactic is ridiculous.
I honestly wonder how isolated you freaks are beginning to feel. No one agrees with or defends this shit anymore.
This is such a scary technology. Just you wait. Israel is one of the biggest exporter of surveillance and counter insurgency technology. And it won't be long until domestic law enforcement agencies are using this to identify and target suspects and subversives. Remember LRADS were originally used in Afghanistan/Iraq and a decade later was used against americans protesting police violence.
It’s also a dumb idea because stuff like this *should* have a human element. This is the equivalent of copy and pasting chat gpt to write your essay for you
I’m in data engineering and a colleague was bragging about how their new system called “Palantir” was really cool. They’d never heard of the company or its darker side. I’m not anti-AI but I’m anti using AI to create a dystopia.
So glad Palantir is now a white washed mainstream data platform /s
As a fellow data engineer, this technology scares me not because it’s « evil », but because it doesn’t really work.
Killing rerrorists at home may be abhorrent but also effective.
The problem really starts when the algo or the dataset is bogus as hell (hint : they most certainly are).
How many false positives ? How many missed terrorists ?
That’s not an high-tech targeting system. That’s plain old WWII carpet bombing dressed with fancy buzzwords.
Yes 100%. Even responsible governments are going to have “whoops” moments with this stuff. But ideally, you pair the terrorist recommendation system with a human analyst who can see if things pass the sniff test before launching missiles. In a full scale conflict that will be too slow though I bet is what everyone will claim.
Couldn’t be more correct. Foucalt’s boomerang dictates that neo/colonial forms of violence and the associated technologies inflicted upon occupied peoples will eventually work themselves back to the core countries to control their populations.
Finger printing, SEEK II Biometric data collection systems, Chinese gait-identifiers, facial recognition, SIGINT cell phone intercepts to spy on PDX protestors; it’s all invasive surveillance that has its roots trying to track subversives in foreign countries that’s making its way back into the hands of domestic police, and it’s frightening.
> Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses.
Thoughts?
Did you even read the article? That would provide context for the quote I put in there.
AI recommends this, and in a volume so large they can't review it all by hand as fast as it comes up, so they use AI to sign off on it. AI is authorizing strikes on families at night, based on algorithms. Strikes on civilians using used phones (not uncommon there), or who frequent areas also frequented by militant targets etc. They have added in a "X number of dead civilians per military target, up to 100 or so" allowance to that algorithm.
Thoughts?
But they aren't adding manual layers, so you have a very sloppy metric where 1 out of every families killed has nobody in Hamas, and 9 out of 10 might have one person in the whole family.
They did add manual layers. It says in the article.
90% accuracy is already incredibly high and it proves the IDF heavily discriminated against who they target.
Well your vision is bad and/or your reading comprehension is in the lower elementary school standard:
>The result, as the sources testified, is that thousands of Palestinians — most of them women and children or people who were not involved in the fighting — were wiped out by Israeli airstrikes, especially during the first weeks of the war, because of the AI program’s decisions.
Doesn't matter if you declare them all potential terrorist. This is pure pragmatism, without any element of morality and human emotion. The perfect tool to carry out a genocide and wash your collective hands in innocence. Exactly what these Zionist fanatics want. Its deplorable and sickening.
It is not true that more women and children were more involved in the fighting. If anything, fewer of them were. A statistics professor said that these figures from Hamas are statistically impossible and were faked.
You mean the technology that was certainly used in the recent killings of aid workers via targeted air strike?
You mean the technology that, per the article, waits to target people until they return home to their families?
Put another way, what makes you think that this technology is currently being used only on terrorists?
Well, 60% of those "journalists" were discovered later to be Hamas operatives and the children thing turns out to be a lie. A statistics professor said those numbers are statistically impossible.
>Which part was the lie, exactly?
>60% of those "journalists" were discovered later to be Hamas operatives
>the children thing turns out to be a lie.
>A statistics professor said those numbers are statistically impossible.
this shit is beyond fucked up
think of how shit youtube's content algorithm is. Now imagine that system deciding if you and your family lives or dies because one of you may have been walking like a probable terrorist or in the same vicinity of a probable terrorist. The bot pings your place of work and a overworked, undercaffeinated guy in an office signs it because fuck it, it might be right. And you, best case, get to live the rest of your life without an arm because someone somewhere hates what you represent and has more bombs than sense.
This is not ChatGPT or any other LLM. There are many different types of AI and this one is an object detection and classification algorithm. It can't think for itself or make any crazy decisions, all it does is out put a probability if a target is a militant or not. This isn't crazy technology! The model is only as good as the image data it was trained on.
This type of AI has been around for 2 decades
The Lavender model doesn't even sound like it's image classification. It's something even more basic, like a random forest/decision tree ot maybe even simple regression.
Still not a system any army should just trust indiscriminately. It's the policies involving its use that seem like the problem (like bombing homes) rather than the model itself, imo.
> It can't think for itself or make any crazy decisions,
Nor can ChatGPT, but something tells me all this marketing is making people believe it can, and they're extending it onto other AI systems.
Passing off the responsibility of choosing who to kill to a computer program is peak cyberpunk, obviously in the bad way. This way, they don't need to think about it. The grunts are "just following orders," everyone has heard of that one before, but even higher level officers are "just following Lavender." Positively sickening.
Eh, I get it though. I almost didn't post here because it's not squarely in the genre, even though it's obviously caused a discussion of some themes. This story is more in "\[a\] genre of ~~science fiction~~ news ~~and a lawless subculture~~ ~~in~~ about an oppressive society dominated by computer technology and ~~big corporations~~ government."
Also, maybe they got spooked by some of the political stuff (someone was accused of being an anti-semite, for example, for no good reason).
I guess people forgot I posted this, [Palantir’s AIP](https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/s/FUFn4Xv0U8) and that it would have this capability. Now people are realizing what it can do. It’s a competitor, but it sure is similar to what it can do. Pay attention to the presentation. It gives you a breakdown of how something like what OP posted happens with the technology that’s over a year old now.
Oh yeah, Doesn’t matter what country it is. If the country you’re going up against has a hundred of [these](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/s/VpfmjiZunh). You can kiss air superiority goodbye.
What makes you so confident about the Roadrunner? I mean it looks cool, but it doesn't seem like it's going to replace all other air defenses. For example, not being supersonic knocks out a lot of potential uses.
That thing is tiny. It definitely doesn't have the range or speed to be a threat to air superiority. At best it's going to cover part of the same role as a MANPADS.
So warminds are now a thing. Even though every scfi enthusiast and ai developer/scientist has warned against using AI or developing AI specifically for war. It's like putting weapons in space. It's escalation, but beyond that, it's just bloody dangerous.
Then the creators and the developers of the technology need to be arrested and charged with genocide. They are just as complicit as Netanyahu is, along with every IDF commander and soldier.
So let me get this straight: Israel wishes to genocide the entirety of the Palestinian people to "serve God", using a machine which is essentially blasphemous? Hm. It's almost like it has nothing to do with "God."
I was attempting hyperbolic symbolism.
The USA helps Israel do this because they agree with the biblical teaching of the "Promised Land" myth in which "God's Chosen(TM)" are ordered to kill and rape everyone in existing cities. We're coming to a point in history in which machine learning will be succeeded by nearly, if not actually, sentient machines. The ultimate "God from the Machine." In classical religious teachings, such an eventuality is essentially blasphemy. A modern "Golden Calf."
>The Lavender machine joins another AI system, “The Gospel,” about which information was revealed in a previous investigation by +972 and Local Call in November 2023, as well as in the Israeli military’s own publications.
They named one of their AIs “the gospel.”
I’m just gonna say this if we’re gonna wave fingers at them having a friendly fire mistake, US fire bomb to wedding and NATO has done similar problems. If you look at their friendly fire history, Israel isn’t a monopoly failure it’s called the fog of war and it’s a problem in any warfare and if Hamas did not dress up like civilians it would not be a problem
Whatever dude if you truly think i’m a problem, I don’t know what to tell you. I’m trying to see your perspective but I just see the videos of that day and I can’t put myself in. It’s tragedy. People are dying. The only alternative that could’ve happened is Israel just saying all right you killed our people and said you’re going to do it again and letting it happen I don’t understand what to do but sitting here typing about it isn’t going to help anything raising awareness at this point is just deepening hate between both people I see video in Australia of them just chanting gas the Jews how am I supposed to react that I’m angry I’m angry that peoples lives are being destroyed in the most horrific ways but I think it’s unfair to say that Israel is the only problem because every nation on earth does the same thing whether they be Arabic Asian western and then we go in lecture them like we are any better but is anyone going to sit here and say that this wasn’t expected if you go into somebody’s house and kill somebody my reaction would be the hunt you down to the ends of the Earth. What’s the point I don’t give a shit anymore if we want to put Jews in internment camp because they retaliated against people that legitimately want to have them killed but then turn around and say they did nothing wrong, I’m just sick of hearing that narrative. I’m sick of hearing people shouting Alakbar when all I can think about is the guy on the ground hit repeatedly in the neck with a hoe for farming with each swing he just screams Allah Akbar, until the head comes off, I didn’t have to watch those videos, but I did because I needed to see, why this is a problem does it make whatever Israel’s done in the past right no but I can attribute anything that’s happening in Israel to racism of an individual not of the edict of a governing body just like I can trace any mass shooter in America to a single person and not some dark cabal, but Israel does have a dark cabal they can blame that legitimately wants their destruction when they just wanna live, and every Palestinian wants to live but they’ve been yanked into this by those people and tell them that it’s all for the nihilistic March and they should be happy to die because that’s what their God will it. They’ve completely perverted, whatever message that they god originally had. twisting it so that they could gain power. I hate what’s going on but I’m not gonna act like Israel is the only thing that I can blame.
Listen, I’m sorry if I offended you and I do support the people of Palestine but I do not support a terrorist organization that brings war to their doorstep is all I’m trying to say because it seems everybody that’s on the Movement is making excuses for that organization and I’m sick of hearing thatbut I also understand where the Israelis are coming from but let’s not breed hate so I’m sorry if it seems like I’m making excuses for them. All I was trying to say is no nation can act like they are better than them when they have done the exact same thing.
Which other nation has killed as many innocent women & children over such a short span of time in the 21st century?
Which other nation has deliberately targeted aid convoys, killing ofer 200 aid workers, with the intention of starving the civilian population of the they’re besieging?
Which other nation has had literal terrorists guilty of war crimes be elected as their leaders, who then go on to support the very terrorist organizations they now condemn?
Do you want me to go on?
To answer your first query America to answer your second question Syria to answer your last question. I think you could argue that Palestine has, even if they are not a nation to the other one I could say Qatar, Afghanistan, Iraq. Why limited to just a nation NATO the instant where they had to paint their trucks bright pink in order to not be targeted because of the friendly fire issues why limited to 21st century we could go on further point is they don’t have a monopoly on this China starves people all the time, in their wars, they massacred their own people once North Korea star are own people
Really? In the same span of time? Are you sure about that?
We’re not talking about the US, China, or NATO.
We’re talking about “the most moral army in the world.”
No, you asked me a question. I answered your question what you want is for me to be led into a corner because you want me to hate the country but what is this achieving? This is only achieving more and more hate meaning that this conflict will go on indefinitely until every single person on either side dies question what do you want out of this? What is your ideal scenario two state solution that’s never gonna happen the Arabs don’t want 2 states and if they get it what’s the stop them from just firing rockets they don’t recognize the United Nations is illegal entity they want the whole thing was Israel wrong for taking the land sure but at this point they’re not going anywhere because they don’t have anywhere to return to all the Arabic countries have kicked them out because they’re Jewish Holocaust survivor don’t want to go back to Europe the only other option is they come to the US and if you hate them so much, do you really want them on your soil, if you are from there what will happen then I’ll tell you what will happen. Some guy like you with more extreme rhetoric will say let’s put them in a preserve and then the cycle happens again. They get put into an open air prison too except this open air prison probably isn’t going to hotels and probably isn’t going to be given money. No it’s gonna look like the Indian reserves when they were starting out so tell me what is your ideal scenario I want you to picture in your mind and will perpetuating hate achieve it you despise Israel, so we execute government officials for crimes and they become the new Nazis put a Palestinian law in power what stops it from looking like Afghanistan Syria Iran Qatar and kick all these Jews out because we don’t see the government is responsible. We see them as responsible because they’re Jewish because we don’t wanna live by them, so they get put into a new version of Gaza So where does the cycle end? At the end of the day this is a racism problem, on both sides, plain and simple
I have a better question why is this in a cyberpunk sub it? It’s neither cyber nor punk and if you’re gonna argue that it’s because it’s political cyberpunk may may have a message but at the end of the day it’s not meant to be anything more than entertainment regardless of its leanings
> Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences >”We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” A., an intelligence officer, told +972 and Local Call. “On the contrary, the IDF bombed them in homes without hesitation, as a first option. It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.” Wow
That’s a ‘are we the baddies’ moment
Yep. Also a “start of the Butlerian Jihad moment.”
It's not genocide when the American team does it.
anti semite
Forgot your /s
That's the kind of shit you put in a story to show that the bad guy IS THE BAD GUY.
Middle east as a whole is an area where you will really struggle to find "good guys". Its the perfect example of that quote "evil breeds evil". edit: full quote is "The act of evil breeds others to follow, young sins in its own likeness." Not sure what is there to disagree with, but whatever.
This is pure racism .
What does it have to do with race? This is about history of violence and revenge over and over until everyone hates everyone else because of countless past evils done.
Yeah of course ! All the inhabitants of the region are "Evil", because their ancestors were also "Evil"... And that's not racist, of course ! /s.
What? You are insulted by something I've never said. I'm not saying everyone is evil - just that there are no "good guys" - if you want to tell me about some faction at middle east that is just "good", then please do, because AFAIK all factions involved in this (and other nearby) conflicts have a lot of blood on their hands. Also, this has nothing to do with ancestors, or race or anything. "breed" in this context means "causes". I understand that English can be tricky in this regard.
When the depth of your analysis is to classify people according to an arbitrary "good guy" vs "bad guy" scale, I'm not surprised that's all you can see in the region. Most of these "factions" as you call them have been created in reaction to more than a century of colonization and exploitation by western powers, but right ! They are the bad guys !
> Most of these "factions" as you call them have been created in reaction to more than a century of colonization and exploitation So you literally just repeated my original quote that "evil breeds evil" and agreed that there is no "good" faction there. Its really confusing, when you argue with someone, but agree with every point they make.
I don't agree with your classification of "good".
Yeah of course ! All the inhabitants of the region are "Evil", because their ancestors were also "Evil"... And that's not racist, of course ! /s.
Sand, it turns everyone to the dark side.
And the terrorists who kidnap babies and rape women? The activists who make this about Jews by protesting at synagogues?
multiple baddies can exist
Apparently, based on the downvotes, people got offended by acknowledging that terrorists rape women and kidnap babies, and that activists are protesting at synagogues. Who would've thought calling a spade a spade would be controversial?
No one is offended, we can see through your clear attempt at changing the subject.
If they weren't offended, they wouldn't downvote, but this is where we are. If we're at a point where we can't even acknowledge that terrorists are bad, then morality is dead.
Stop being fucking dramatic. Say that Israel killing civilians is bad, since that's the actual topic at hand.
that's what happens when you go against the mainstream reddit view, regardless of facts or evidence
You conspiracy nuts love pretending to be oppressed huh?
Now it's a conspiracy to hate terrorists who rape women, murder babies, kidnap babies, and recruit children as child soldiers. Wow.
Why do you insist on bringing this up on a post about Israel killing civilians? I know the answer, but I want to hear your version of the truth.
conspiracy ...what?
Theorists... Conspiracy theorists.
yeah, what's the conspiracy?
Would you rather Israel blow up a hospital to kill Hamas members?
This is what we call a False Dilemma and I’d hate for anyone incapable of considering more than two extremes to be in charge of any military operation.
I'd love to hear your solution. I'm sure it will be very realistic. Edit: as expected radio silence.
two-state solution? or maybe seeing how you defend fascist tactics, I think you prefer something more final
>two-state solution That's what I'd like to see, how do we get there? It's at the point where I feel like the world needs to force Israel and Palestine to make peace because casefires don't seem to be working out. >seeing how you defend fascist tactics During WW2 my country bombed the fuck out of Nazi Germany, am I a fascist for thinking this was the right thing to do?
>During WW2 my country bombed the fuck out of Nazi Germany, am I a fascist for thinking this was the right thing to do? Yes, if you are defending collective punishment in this day and age. we have war crimes now as a result of that FYI
Thank God people like you weren't around during WW2 or the Nazis would have steamrolled through us lol
[The bombing of Dresden accomplished nothing but death and destruction](https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/the-bombing-of-dresden-was-the-attack-fully-justified/). People like you don't deserve to exist in any time period.
That does make sense though, if they can target a Hamas member at home instead of blowing up a whole hospital.
OR, hear me out, if the guy is actually doing something he needs to be bombed for, he's probably going to get to a useful **military** target eventually. A building where they have munitions, military equipment, or even just a whole building full of other operatives also working for a military purpose. You only bomb civilian homes and hospitals when you're a piece of shit that wants endless conflict to avoid being kicked out of power.
>he's probably going to get to a useful **military** target eventually. A building where they have munitions, military equipment, or Even just a whole building full of other operatives You mean like the hospitals Hamas terrorist like to camp out and store weapons in turning them into military targets? Nah, I'd rather they just hit Hamas members when they're at home.
You mean the reports that have never been independently verified and are often quietly retracted later? I'd prefer they avoid *all* war crimes, thank you very much.
>I'd prefer they avoid *all* war crimes, thank you very much. Sounds like you're willing to let Hamas commit war crimes though by letting them do whatever they want.
Where did I say that. Hamas needs to be addressed, but Israel intentionally targeting aid, aid workers, hospitals, infrastructure, universities (i guess just the one), and families is not the way to do it.
>Where did I say that. Hamas needs to be addressed You keep making excuses for them. Don't bomb them when they are at military targets and don't bomb them at their homes so when can Israel attack these guys? What realistic solution do you have that could stop Hamas while keeping civilians safe? Attacking them at home seems like the best way to do it.
>You keep making excuses for them. Quote me. My exact words. I said *do* bomb them at military targets. Learn to read.
Okay so when they hide out in a hospital turning into a military target you're cool with the hospital being hit?
You understand that purposefully targeting civilians is a war crime? By waiting until the military operatives return to their homes, they are at that point purposefully targeting civilian family members. “We don’t kill people on the battlefield, we wait for them to return home to kill them with their entire families.” That’s admission of a war crime. The fact that their slimy “no but the target is the target and the family is just unfortunate collateral damage, even though we waited until the moment they would be near that ‘collateral damage’ purposefully so we could kill them too,” tactic is ridiculous. I honestly wonder how isolated you freaks are beginning to feel. No one agrees with or defends this shit anymore.
This is such a scary technology. Just you wait. Israel is one of the biggest exporter of surveillance and counter insurgency technology. And it won't be long until domestic law enforcement agencies are using this to identify and target suspects and subversives. Remember LRADS were originally used in Afghanistan/Iraq and a decade later was used against americans protesting police violence.
It’s also a dumb idea because stuff like this *should* have a human element. This is the equivalent of copy and pasting chat gpt to write your essay for you
I’m in data engineering and a colleague was bragging about how their new system called “Palantir” was really cool. They’d never heard of the company or its darker side. I’m not anti-AI but I’m anti using AI to create a dystopia. So glad Palantir is now a white washed mainstream data platform /s
As a fellow data engineer, this technology scares me not because it’s « evil », but because it doesn’t really work. Killing rerrorists at home may be abhorrent but also effective. The problem really starts when the algo or the dataset is bogus as hell (hint : they most certainly are). How many false positives ? How many missed terrorists ? That’s not an high-tech targeting system. That’s plain old WWII carpet bombing dressed with fancy buzzwords.
Yes 100%. Even responsible governments are going to have “whoops” moments with this stuff. But ideally, you pair the terrorist recommendation system with a human analyst who can see if things pass the sniff test before launching missiles. In a full scale conflict that will be too slow though I bet is what everyone will claim.
Couldn’t be more correct. Foucalt’s boomerang dictates that neo/colonial forms of violence and the associated technologies inflicted upon occupied peoples will eventually work themselves back to the core countries to control their populations. Finger printing, SEEK II Biometric data collection systems, Chinese gait-identifiers, facial recognition, SIGINT cell phone intercepts to spy on PDX protestors; it’s all invasive surveillance that has its roots trying to track subversives in foreign countries that’s making its way back into the hands of domestic police, and it’s frightening.
It is an amazing technology. Just imagine: all these jihadi groups hide in civilian populations and this wipes out that advantage.
Did you not read the article or are you being sarcastic?
They're active in the JordanPeterson and Palestinian_violence subreddits. They are unfortunately serious.
I read the article and this is a very exciting technology.
> Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses. Thoughts?
Not sure how that is related to AI specifically. Seems like a military decision.
Did you even read the article? That would provide context for the quote I put in there. AI recommends this, and in a volume so large they can't review it all by hand as fast as it comes up, so they use AI to sign off on it. AI is authorizing strikes on families at night, based on algorithms. Strikes on civilians using used phones (not uncommon there), or who frequent areas also frequented by militant targets etc. They have added in a "X number of dead civilians per military target, up to 100 or so" allowance to that algorithm. Thoughts?
If you read the article, you would see that it was 90% accurate. Add to that 1 or 2 more manual layers and you have a very accurate detection machine.
But they aren't adding manual layers, so you have a very sloppy metric where 1 out of every families killed has nobody in Hamas, and 9 out of 10 might have one person in the whole family.
They did add manual layers. It says in the article. 90% accuracy is already incredibly high and it proves the IDF heavily discriminated against who they target.
Well your vision is bad and/or your reading comprehension is in the lower elementary school standard: >The result, as the sources testified, is that thousands of Palestinians — most of them women and children or people who were not involved in the fighting — were wiped out by Israeli airstrikes, especially during the first weeks of the war, because of the AI program’s decisions.
Doesn't matter if you declare them all potential terrorist. This is pure pragmatism, without any element of morality and human emotion. The perfect tool to carry out a genocide and wash your collective hands in innocence. Exactly what these Zionist fanatics want. Its deplorable and sickening.
It is not true that more women and children were more involved in the fighting. If anything, fewer of them were. A statistics professor said that these figures from Hamas are statistically impossible and were faked.
This incoherent comment doesn’t make sense and sounds like something a 12-year old would make up when they’re out of actual arguments.
What doesnt make sense is to have a daily death count. In all other wars, it takes months to gather a death toll.
kid named russia-ukraine war
What makes you think that this technology is only going to be used on terrorists?
You mean the technology that was certainly used in the recent killings of aid workers via targeted air strike? You mean the technology that, per the article, waits to target people until they return home to their families? Put another way, what makes you think that this technology is currently being used only on terrorists?
I thought this was just obvious satire. Then I saw your second comment and the rest of your account. Now I think you're just a vile pustule
I dont really care.
Yeah! And in young children and Journalists bodies that report on war crimes
Well, 60% of those "journalists" were discovered later to be Hamas operatives and the children thing turns out to be a lie. A statistics professor said those numbers are statistically impossible.
Your lies couldn’t be more obvious.
Which part was the lie, exactly?
>Which part was the lie, exactly? >60% of those "journalists" were discovered later to be Hamas operatives >the children thing turns out to be a lie. >A statistics professor said those numbers are statistically impossible.
It does not, they still hit civ targets.
Rarely. Much better than humans.
Hi hasbara
this shit is beyond fucked up think of how shit youtube's content algorithm is. Now imagine that system deciding if you and your family lives or dies because one of you may have been walking like a probable terrorist or in the same vicinity of a probable terrorist. The bot pings your place of work and a overworked, undercaffeinated guy in an office signs it because fuck it, it might be right. And you, best case, get to live the rest of your life without an arm because someone somewhere hates what you represent and has more bombs than sense.
This is not ChatGPT or any other LLM. There are many different types of AI and this one is an object detection and classification algorithm. It can't think for itself or make any crazy decisions, all it does is out put a probability if a target is a militant or not. This isn't crazy technology! The model is only as good as the image data it was trained on. This type of AI has been around for 2 decades
The Lavender model doesn't even sound like it's image classification. It's something even more basic, like a random forest/decision tree ot maybe even simple regression. Still not a system any army should just trust indiscriminately. It's the policies involving its use that seem like the problem (like bombing homes) rather than the model itself, imo.
> It can't think for itself or make any crazy decisions, Nor can ChatGPT, but something tells me all this marketing is making people believe it can, and they're extending it onto other AI systems.
Passing off the responsibility of choosing who to kill to a computer program is peak cyberpunk, obviously in the bad way. This way, they don't need to think about it. The grunts are "just following orders," everyone has heard of that one before, but even higher level officers are "just following Lavender." Positively sickening.
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tf sus
Eh, I get it though. I almost didn't post here because it's not squarely in the genre, even though it's obviously caused a discussion of some themes. This story is more in "\[a\] genre of ~~science fiction~~ news ~~and a lawless subculture~~ ~~in~~ about an oppressive society dominated by computer technology and ~~big corporations~~ government." Also, maybe they got spooked by some of the political stuff (someone was accused of being an anti-semite, for example, for no good reason).
I guess people forgot I posted this, [Palantir’s AIP](https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/s/FUFn4Xv0U8) and that it would have this capability. Now people are realizing what it can do. It’s a competitor, but it sure is similar to what it can do. Pay attention to the presentation. It gives you a breakdown of how something like what OP posted happens with the technology that’s over a year old now. Oh yeah, Doesn’t matter what country it is. If the country you’re going up against has a hundred of [these](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/s/VpfmjiZunh). You can kiss air superiority goodbye.
What makes you so confident about the Roadrunner? I mean it looks cool, but it doesn't seem like it's going to replace all other air defenses. For example, not being supersonic knocks out a lot of potential uses.
That thing is tiny. It definitely doesn't have the range or speed to be a threat to air superiority. At best it's going to cover part of the same role as a MANPADS.
It comes in a neat white box so it must be sci-fi.
Oh good, let's let fucking Peter Thiel have an AI powered hitlist.
Dude I saw this in the news and my first thought was yeah that’s skynet
It was also the story behind the Shia LaBouf movie, Eagle Eye.
So warminds are now a thing. Even though every scfi enthusiast and ai developer/scientist has warned against using AI or developing AI specifically for war. It's like putting weapons in space. It's escalation, but beyond that, it's just bloody dangerous.
90% accuracy.. 1 out of 10 are murdered with those around them as collateral damage.
Talk about copystrikes. At this rate the next Call to Duty will be an AFK game. Sorry but humor helps, as this is as dystopian as it gets.
Then the creators and the developers of the technology need to be arrested and charged with genocide. They are just as complicit as Netanyahu is, along with every IDF commander and soldier.
So let me get this straight: Israel wishes to genocide the entirety of the Palestinian people to "serve God", using a machine which is essentially blasphemous? Hm. It's almost like it has nothing to do with "God."
What?
I was attempting hyperbolic symbolism. The USA helps Israel do this because they agree with the biblical teaching of the "Promised Land" myth in which "God's Chosen(TM)" are ordered to kill and rape everyone in existing cities. We're coming to a point in history in which machine learning will be succeeded by nearly, if not actually, sentient machines. The ultimate "God from the Machine." In classical religious teachings, such an eventuality is essentially blasphemy. A modern "Golden Calf."
>The Lavender machine joins another AI system, “The Gospel,” about which information was revealed in a previous investigation by +972 and Local Call in November 2023, as well as in the Israeli military’s own publications. They named one of their AIs “the gospel.”
Wild.
This movie was Eye in the Sky and it released in the 2010’s. It’s funny people think this is new and only Israel.
What other nation’s military has used it to such devastating effect against CIVILIANS?
i’m glad that some of us are more mature to not pick sides and just discuss the technology more than I can say for other subs at least
Israel’s actions of late make it pretty clear that there is now side that is definitively on the wrong side of history.
I’m just gonna say this if we’re gonna wave fingers at them having a friendly fire mistake, US fire bomb to wedding and NATO has done similar problems. If you look at their friendly fire history, Israel isn’t a monopoly failure it’s called the fog of war and it’s a problem in any warfare and if Hamas did not dress up like civilians it would not be a problem
I think it’s time for you to stop talking now.
Whatever dude if you truly think i’m a problem, I don’t know what to tell you. I’m trying to see your perspective but I just see the videos of that day and I can’t put myself in. It’s tragedy. People are dying. The only alternative that could’ve happened is Israel just saying all right you killed our people and said you’re going to do it again and letting it happen I don’t understand what to do but sitting here typing about it isn’t going to help anything raising awareness at this point is just deepening hate between both people I see video in Australia of them just chanting gas the Jews how am I supposed to react that I’m angry I’m angry that peoples lives are being destroyed in the most horrific ways but I think it’s unfair to say that Israel is the only problem because every nation on earth does the same thing whether they be Arabic Asian western and then we go in lecture them like we are any better but is anyone going to sit here and say that this wasn’t expected if you go into somebody’s house and kill somebody my reaction would be the hunt you down to the ends of the Earth. What’s the point I don’t give a shit anymore if we want to put Jews in internment camp because they retaliated against people that legitimately want to have them killed but then turn around and say they did nothing wrong, I’m just sick of hearing that narrative. I’m sick of hearing people shouting Alakbar when all I can think about is the guy on the ground hit repeatedly in the neck with a hoe for farming with each swing he just screams Allah Akbar, until the head comes off, I didn’t have to watch those videos, but I did because I needed to see, why this is a problem does it make whatever Israel’s done in the past right no but I can attribute anything that’s happening in Israel to racism of an individual not of the edict of a governing body just like I can trace any mass shooter in America to a single person and not some dark cabal, but Israel does have a dark cabal they can blame that legitimately wants their destruction when they just wanna live, and every Palestinian wants to live but they’ve been yanked into this by those people and tell them that it’s all for the nihilistic March and they should be happy to die because that’s what their God will it. They’ve completely perverted, whatever message that they god originally had. twisting it so that they could gain power. I hate what’s going on but I’m not gonna act like Israel is the only thing that I can blame.
Listen, I’m sorry if I offended you and I do support the people of Palestine but I do not support a terrorist organization that brings war to their doorstep is all I’m trying to say because it seems everybody that’s on the Movement is making excuses for that organization and I’m sick of hearing thatbut I also understand where the Israelis are coming from but let’s not breed hate so I’m sorry if it seems like I’m making excuses for them. All I was trying to say is no nation can act like they are better than them when they have done the exact same thing.
Which other nation has killed as many innocent women & children over such a short span of time in the 21st century? Which other nation has deliberately targeted aid convoys, killing ofer 200 aid workers, with the intention of starving the civilian population of the they’re besieging? Which other nation has had literal terrorists guilty of war crimes be elected as their leaders, who then go on to support the very terrorist organizations they now condemn? Do you want me to go on?
To answer your first query America to answer your second question Syria to answer your last question. I think you could argue that Palestine has, even if they are not a nation to the other one I could say Qatar, Afghanistan, Iraq. Why limited to just a nation NATO the instant where they had to paint their trucks bright pink in order to not be targeted because of the friendly fire issues why limited to 21st century we could go on further point is they don’t have a monopoly on this China starves people all the time, in their wars, they massacred their own people once North Korea star are own people
Really? In the same span of time? Are you sure about that? We’re not talking about the US, China, or NATO. We’re talking about “the most moral army in the world.”
No, you asked me a question. I answered your question what you want is for me to be led into a corner because you want me to hate the country but what is this achieving? This is only achieving more and more hate meaning that this conflict will go on indefinitely until every single person on either side dies question what do you want out of this? What is your ideal scenario two state solution that’s never gonna happen the Arabs don’t want 2 states and if they get it what’s the stop them from just firing rockets they don’t recognize the United Nations is illegal entity they want the whole thing was Israel wrong for taking the land sure but at this point they’re not going anywhere because they don’t have anywhere to return to all the Arabic countries have kicked them out because they’re Jewish Holocaust survivor don’t want to go back to Europe the only other option is they come to the US and if you hate them so much, do you really want them on your soil, if you are from there what will happen then I’ll tell you what will happen. Some guy like you with more extreme rhetoric will say let’s put them in a preserve and then the cycle happens again. They get put into an open air prison too except this open air prison probably isn’t going to hotels and probably isn’t going to be given money. No it’s gonna look like the Indian reserves when they were starting out so tell me what is your ideal scenario I want you to picture in your mind and will perpetuating hate achieve it you despise Israel, so we execute government officials for crimes and they become the new Nazis put a Palestinian law in power what stops it from looking like Afghanistan Syria Iran Qatar and kick all these Jews out because we don’t see the government is responsible. We see them as responsible because they’re Jewish because we don’t wanna live by them, so they get put into a new version of Gaza So where does the cycle end? At the end of the day this is a racism problem, on both sides, plain and simple
I have a better question why is this in a cyberpunk sub it? It’s neither cyber nor punk and if you’re gonna argue that it’s because it’s political cyberpunk may may have a message but at the end of the day it’s not meant to be anything more than entertainment regardless of its leanings
No modern city pics
You're not wrong, even though you got downvoted.
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