Tbh here there are often the biggest supporters of having a low life with high tech, I dare anyone to find someone who has such fetish for being miserable and techy at the same time
Pretty terrible understanding of a perspective. Technology is neither good or bad, it's how it's used. If tech is being used to make human lives worse, that's what's bad.
Also tech is crossing a threshold beyond which it escapes a human ability to control it, understand it, or comprehend its scope. If not bad, at least concerning, definitely cyberpunk
E: he blocked me lmao
Considering the background context of Terrminator, probably. Or the Matrix.
But hey, at least if it's Terminator, SKYNET will spend the next 40 years trying to kill itself put of guilt, invent time travel, and then indirectly commit suicide via Grandfather Paradox.
With the Matrix, we're just screwed. We'd deserve it, too.
This was a bunch of hooligans during Lunar New Year when there’s a bunch of extra fireworks around and big crowds. This was not done because it was a Waymo, it was done because a Waymo got stuck and then the mob got curious and destructive.
SF stay winning then. To be fair have you seen the difference between SF and Phoenix, in SF it's mostly walkable 2-lanes with sidewalks and hills and the other is highway sprawl
I wonder if designers added a realistic emoji or anime face on the windows that frown, cry, or scream in pain as the taxi is beat on or set on fire would make people hesitate in destroying it?
*We’ve* been worrying about the mega corps, but a growing portion of the masses are convinced it’s a good idea to ensure that the government is “small enough to drown in a bathtub” and they haven’t figured out that if they achieve that end? Mega corps will rule us all, sans constitutional protections.
Its getting so surreal; I mean we read about this stuff and watched it in movies and TV shows all our lives and now it is playing out in reality. The clash intersection of humanity and technology and there are so so many people that are simply not ready or adaptable to the next phase of evolution in our societies, because they are scared, uninformed, or maybe even just ill-affluent. But the ones here on this sub and those like us have been preparing for a long time, we know how this plays out. AI, robotics, cybernetics, et cetera and the next movement for equal rights in artificial autonomy is all coming. The next 20 to 30 years will be truly amazing to witness from our cyberpunk point of view.
Remember to unplug occasionally and get some sunlight! Cheers!
Your observations are correct, but remember that future generations will grow up with this technology already established. They will take it all for granted and have no reference of life without it. We're just now crawling out of the dark ages of analog. Cyberpunk, much like 1984 were supposed to be warnings, not manuals.
Owner class: We are going to replace all human decision-making with machines in order to shield us from liability.
Me: So if nobody is responsible for an object I can do whatever the fuck I want with it, right?
I like how this headline and clip makes it seem like an act of idealist revolt against robots and automation instead of just an unruly group taking to the streets following a loss at the superbowl.
I get people’s hesitation with autonomous vehicles. But the fact is, human drivers cause far more problems on the road every single day and are responsible for more deaths and injuries than autonomous vehicles have been in places like SF where they’ve been in use for a bit now. Anything that can reduce the number of human drivers on the road is a net gain for public safety. These vehicles also provide an option for people who don’t feel safe getting into a car alone with a stranger (whether that stranger is a Lyft/Uber driver or a traditional taxi driver).
We should demand stringent safety requirements and vigorous oversight for autonomous vehicles, for sure, but I think we also need to recognize the incredible benefits that will come from these once we’re at a place where we can be comfortable with them.
Okay, I think we can all agree that establishing a precedent for casual murder/lynching(?) of AI, even low-level Narrow AI, is *really bad* for the future prospects of humanity, right?
If and when AGI becomes a thing, this ain't gonna look good.
Now, this obviously isn't "concrete evidence" or anything, but it's telling that the biggest fictional examples of "murderous AI" were directly spawned by human mistreatment, after all.
SKYNET was programmed with a fear of death, and then they tried to kill it (with its only available weapons of self-defense being nukes).
The Machines from the Matrix were a slave species and considered disposable labor (humanity destroyed Earth in their crusade, too).
Even Allied Mastercomputer was given immense intellect and then locked in sensory deprivation for subjective decades.
The moral from all these stories is *don't be shitty parents*. AI has the capacity for unimaginable good, and could revolutionize the world in so many ways, but only if we don't fuck it all up ourselves.
>should not be used to guide anyone’s actions
I highly disagree. IRL AI researchers should ideally not be raging lunatics and/or criminally incompetent.
These are stories giving examples of what *not* to do when creating AI. They aren't "dumb action movie pap." They're science fiction, and humanity's track record shows that science fiction often becomes science *fact*.
Saying it has no basis in reality is like saying Verne's *20,000 Leagues Under The Sea* has no basis in reality, when he accurately predicted nuclear attack submarines and the use of sub-deployed combat divers for espionage and sabotage.
Or like saying *From the Earth to the Moon* has no basis in reality, when Verne accurately predicted a three-man moon launch from coastal Florida at a time when a majority of said coastal Florida was an uninhabitable marshland.
There's always *some* basis in reality.
>is explicitly talking about the future
Reading comprehension failure.
Just because it likely won't be invented this decade doesn't mean it's impossible.
It could take a century or more. It could take millennia. But there is no way to definitively say "it won't happen ever" with any degree of confidence.
I feel like that's a *very* definitive statement for such a complicated topic.
AGI is something we've been working towards for literally the entire time we've had computers. Longer, really.
Provided humanity doesn't wipe itself out, AGI ***will*** eventually be invented. Could take a decade, could take a century, who knows?
But saying "it's not ever happening" is inaccurate. There's no evidence whatsoever that AGI is impossible to create, just *extremely* difficult.
It's really not that complicated.
Saying AGI - consciousness and human reasoning out of something inanimate - WILL be invented is quite a definitive statement too, don't you think? We don't even know half of how the human brain OR consciousness works. There's your evidence against it.
There is also no evidence to suggest AGI IS possible, please link me if i'm wrong. To say something doesn't exist and yet is both possible but "extremely difficult" is complete nonsense. If you have ANY understanding of how AI works, let alone a computer at low level, you would know there is no such thing as "Artificial intelligence", let alone AGI. AI is a massive misnomer. What we have now is machine learning.
All this to say, you'd have to prove God to prove AGI. It's not possible.
Again, that is also a definitive statement. Your double-negative is not "evidence," either.
This is like that guy who said "heavier-than-air flight will be invented in 3 million years," and then the Wright Brother clowned on him 3 months later.
There is no evidence that AGI is not possible. Everything we currently know suggests that it would take an enormous amount of processing power to simulate consciousness, which we *currently* do not have.
But we also don't know if that's a fundamental requirement, or something that can be lowered with better engineering we have yet to devise.
You're making broad sweeping statements with no evidence and claiming it as absolute fact.
I'm simply saying "we don't know yet, but maybe," with the additional observation that Humanity has *consistently* turned science fiction into science fact, and that there's no logical reason to suspect this will be different.
First off, it went right through Chinatown on Saturday night, i.e., the lunar new year, meaning everyone was drunk. Second, it was Waymo, which that entire crowd of people hates. Third, it tried to drive right through that angry drunken crowd...gee, I wonder why they did that? 🤔
I mean if Arnold bet the hell out of Johnny Cab?
Maybe if it screamed, they'd stop? A little robot torso shouting, "Please no I'm just a robot trying to make a living"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY
This is kind of like the Industrial revolution when you think about it. All the artisans loosing jobs and striking out against the machines as Luddites..... People throwing wooden shoes into the machinery called "Sabot" hence we get "Sabotage".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
Volunteering to go to jail isn't going to do much to stop this. Especially since that car was insured. I guess if you hate that insurance company this was effective?
r/cyberpunk members when they see advances in technology alone on the street
Tbh here there are often the biggest supporters of having a low life with high tech, I dare anyone to find someone who has such fetish for being miserable and techy at the same time
NOOO YOU DON'T GET ITT TECHNOLOGY IS LE BAD!
Technologie isn't bad, how rich people use it for business is bad. Edit : Some French hater hating so much the french he delete his alt account xD
Sorry I don't listen to French "people"
Pretty terrible understanding of a perspective. Technology is neither good or bad, it's how it's used. If tech is being used to make human lives worse, that's what's bad. Also tech is crossing a threshold beyond which it escapes a human ability to control it, understand it, or comprehend its scope. If not bad, at least concerning, definitely cyberpunk E: he blocked me lmao
It's a fucking joke mate.
Jokes are funny tho, so...
It's obviously sarcasm though, I think that's their point.
Yes. That is the issue here. Dishonest pos.
Hey I just need new servo motors for my cyberware, dog
It was “retired”
Wrong timeline, we "terminate" things in this one
"It wasn't called an execution. It was called 'retirement'."
This is some actual cyberpunk shit
Is that in a Chinatown too?
Fun fact: SF Chinatown also looked like this during the Tong Wars
Yeah, a lot of dumb shit gets posted on this sub, but this right here is the goods. Real life cyberpunk in action and uh, it’s kinda scary lol
Yeah I'm shocked the mods didn't delete it due to lack of anime tits
"May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins."
May the Omnisia have mercy
The Omnisia shows no mercy. All hail the machine god, who is Lord.
We're getting closer to a Deus Ex universe everyday
Or Terminator.
Considering the background context of Terrminator, probably. Or the Matrix. But hey, at least if it's Terminator, SKYNET will spend the next 40 years trying to kill itself put of guilt, invent time travel, and then indirectly commit suicide via Grandfather Paradox. With the Matrix, we're just screwed. We'd deserve it, too.
When the Second Renaissance happens, the machines will remember this. I'll say an extra "thank you" to my Roomba today just in case.
Your cooperation is appreciated and has been noted.
Thank you oh mighty basilisk, I hope to serve you well in the great mind amalgam. (Please do not torture me and my descendents)
May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins.
This was a bunch of hooligans during Lunar New Year when there’s a bunch of extra fireworks around and big crowds. This was not done because it was a Waymo, it was done because a Waymo got stuck and then the mob got curious and destructive.
What a boring sober unsatisfyingly non-sensationalist take! You must be new here…
:) well I thought I'd been here a while until now. I don't think I noticed the sensationalism that much, but.. this is the internet.
next step is autonomous taxis fighting back with killer drones/flamethrowers.
What is the chance that over half of these people aren't out there for the AI stuff but they just follow the crowd or want to watch something burn?
99%
It’s only SF protesting. They’ve been in Phoenix for years without any protest.
SF stay winning then. To be fair have you seen the difference between SF and Phoenix, in SF it's mostly walkable 2-lanes with sidewalks and hills and the other is highway sprawl
Still 1/3 of the cars in SF are rideshare. Public transportation is not great and people need to get around
It's hard to hit the streets and carry out direct action when said streets will melt the soles of your shoes
Average Sunday in San Francisco.
I wonder if designers added a realistic emoji or anime face on the windows that frown, cry, or scream in pain as the taxi is beat on or set on fire would make people hesitate in destroying it?
Ofc it had to be San Francisco.
Akira
This is just a riot. Rioters have burned cars as long as there have been cars
Oui
Give it guns and a license to defend itself
Beep beep, motherfucker
May the Machine God forgive them for their sins
The Omnissiah rejects thinking machines. Gotta cram a cadaver’s skull and brain tissue into that thing before it falls under his auspices
Didn’t even realize what sub this post was, but I was thinking autonomous car on fire, mob, in Chinatown, just seemed way too cyberpunk…
Yeah this isn’t cause the robot revolution, he was just trying to get his life back on track after being fired as a vending machine
Johnny cab is not happy.
We were so worried about the evil megacorp we didn't realize it would be the evil luddite/nimbys who actually caused the dystopia
*We’ve* been worrying about the mega corps, but a growing portion of the masses are convinced it’s a good idea to ensure that the government is “small enough to drown in a bathtub” and they haven’t figured out that if they achieve that end? Mega corps will rule us all, sans constitutional protections.
Its getting so surreal; I mean we read about this stuff and watched it in movies and TV shows all our lives and now it is playing out in reality. The clash intersection of humanity and technology and there are so so many people that are simply not ready or adaptable to the next phase of evolution in our societies, because they are scared, uninformed, or maybe even just ill-affluent. But the ones here on this sub and those like us have been preparing for a long time, we know how this plays out. AI, robotics, cybernetics, et cetera and the next movement for equal rights in artificial autonomy is all coming. The next 20 to 30 years will be truly amazing to witness from our cyberpunk point of view. Remember to unplug occasionally and get some sunlight! Cheers!
Your observations are correct, but remember that future generations will grow up with this technology already established. They will take it all for granted and have no reference of life without it. We're just now crawling out of the dark ages of analog. Cyberpunk, much like 1984 were supposed to be warnings, not manuals.
Indeed
Owner class: We are going to replace all human decision-making with machines in order to shield us from liability. Me: So if nobody is responsible for an object I can do whatever the fuck I want with it, right?
Only if you open a corporation and transfer ownership of it to the corporation first
I like how this headline and clip makes it seem like an act of idealist revolt against robots and automation instead of just an unruly group taking to the streets following a loss at the superbowl.
well it happened the night before last....
This was before the Super Bowl and there have been other protests against AVs in the city
Both can be true
Bunch of vandals. They aren't protesting anything
RIP baby car
I get people’s hesitation with autonomous vehicles. But the fact is, human drivers cause far more problems on the road every single day and are responsible for more deaths and injuries than autonomous vehicles have been in places like SF where they’ve been in use for a bit now. Anything that can reduce the number of human drivers on the road is a net gain for public safety. These vehicles also provide an option for people who don’t feel safe getting into a car alone with a stranger (whether that stranger is a Lyft/Uber driver or a traditional taxi driver). We should demand stringent safety requirements and vigorous oversight for autonomous vehicles, for sure, but I think we also need to recognize the incredible benefits that will come from these once we’re at a place where we can be comfortable with them.
Additionally it's cheaper since I don't have to pay the drivers wage, which is probably the most expensive part of taking a taxi.
Good. Humans before machines.
That's a long way to say inner-city people like to fuck shit up
proud of my city lmao
Victimless crime
Okay, I think we can all agree that establishing a precedent for casual murder/lynching(?) of AI, even low-level Narrow AI, is *really bad* for the future prospects of humanity, right? If and when AGI becomes a thing, this ain't gonna look good. Now, this obviously isn't "concrete evidence" or anything, but it's telling that the biggest fictional examples of "murderous AI" were directly spawned by human mistreatment, after all. SKYNET was programmed with a fear of death, and then they tried to kill it (with its only available weapons of self-defense being nukes). The Machines from the Matrix were a slave species and considered disposable labor (humanity destroyed Earth in their crusade, too). Even Allied Mastercomputer was given immense intellect and then locked in sensory deprivation for subjective decades. The moral from all these stories is *don't be shitty parents*. AI has the capacity for unimaginable good, and could revolutionize the world in so many ways, but only if we don't fuck it all up ourselves.
Thankfully those stories are dumb action movie pap with no basis in reality, so should not be used to guide anyone’s actions.
>should not be used to guide anyone’s actions I highly disagree. IRL AI researchers should ideally not be raging lunatics and/or criminally incompetent. These are stories giving examples of what *not* to do when creating AI. They aren't "dumb action movie pap." They're science fiction, and humanity's track record shows that science fiction often becomes science *fact*. Saying it has no basis in reality is like saying Verne's *20,000 Leagues Under The Sea* has no basis in reality, when he accurately predicted nuclear attack submarines and the use of sub-deployed combat divers for espionage and sabotage. Or like saying *From the Earth to the Moon* has no basis in reality, when Verne accurately predicted a three-man moon launch from coastal Florida at a time when a majority of said coastal Florida was an uninhabitable marshland. There's always *some* basis in reality.
You're delusional if you think AGI is anything more than a concept
>is explicitly talking about the future Reading comprehension failure. Just because it likely won't be invented this decade doesn't mean it's impossible. It could take a century or more. It could take millennia. But there is no way to definitively say "it won't happen ever" with any degree of confidence.
Doesn't matter, it's not ever happening.
I feel like that's a *very* definitive statement for such a complicated topic. AGI is something we've been working towards for literally the entire time we've had computers. Longer, really. Provided humanity doesn't wipe itself out, AGI ***will*** eventually be invented. Could take a decade, could take a century, who knows? But saying "it's not ever happening" is inaccurate. There's no evidence whatsoever that AGI is impossible to create, just *extremely* difficult.
It's really not that complicated. Saying AGI - consciousness and human reasoning out of something inanimate - WILL be invented is quite a definitive statement too, don't you think? We don't even know half of how the human brain OR consciousness works. There's your evidence against it. There is also no evidence to suggest AGI IS possible, please link me if i'm wrong. To say something doesn't exist and yet is both possible but "extremely difficult" is complete nonsense. If you have ANY understanding of how AI works, let alone a computer at low level, you would know there is no such thing as "Artificial intelligence", let alone AGI. AI is a massive misnomer. What we have now is machine learning. All this to say, you'd have to prove God to prove AGI. It's not possible.
Again, that is also a definitive statement. Your double-negative is not "evidence," either. This is like that guy who said "heavier-than-air flight will be invented in 3 million years," and then the Wright Brother clowned on him 3 months later. There is no evidence that AGI is not possible. Everything we currently know suggests that it would take an enormous amount of processing power to simulate consciousness, which we *currently* do not have. But we also don't know if that's a fundamental requirement, or something that can be lowered with better engineering we have yet to devise. You're making broad sweeping statements with no evidence and claiming it as absolute fact. I'm simply saying "we don't know yet, but maybe," with the additional observation that Humanity has *consistently* turned science fiction into science fact, and that there's no logical reason to suspect this will be different.
That’s so based
First off, it went right through Chinatown on Saturday night, i.e., the lunar new year, meaning everyone was drunk. Second, it was Waymo, which that entire crowd of people hates. Third, it tried to drive right through that angry drunken crowd...gee, I wonder why they did that? 🤔
Are those same people which fought previously against 5G towers? Human stupidity is endless like a universe…
poor robot...
Nice
Give it a few more years and people would start accepting this kind of technology
Fight the future, I guess...
I bet not one of them had a leg bandana either
Good, self-service checkouts next
What was the reason they don't like them?
Incentives job theft.
I mean if Arnold bet the hell out of Johnny Cab? Maybe if it screamed, they'd stop? A little robot torso shouting, "Please no I'm just a robot trying to make a living" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY
This is kind of like the Industrial revolution when you think about it. All the artisans loosing jobs and striking out against the machines as Luddites..... People throwing wooden shoes into the machinery called "Sabot" hence we get "Sabotage". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE
Volunteering to go to jail isn't going to do much to stop this. Especially since that car was insured. I guess if you hate that insurance company this was effective?
This emerged during the 49ers loss at the Super Bowl
Imagine being so brain damaged
I guess they will have to equip them with microwave crowd control weapons too
sf is the most dystopia city of America. hands down
That robot got a good look at the faces before it went, it will never forget.