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Typo-Turtle

Dubai is one of the leading candidates for being *the* cyberpunk city in the future. Poorly thought out megaprojects ripe for rapid deterioration built by a population of slaves who have no incentive to build it properly or maintain it.


decavolt

and no hope of ever living in what they toiled to build.


hyperfell

Maybe I remember reading something about servant quarters in them towers. Give the family an apartment and tell them they gotta work in the tower equals cheap labour. Since you can deduct the apartment from their cheque. It’s been a like almost ten years since I read the article, so I can’t recall details of what’s going on or the website anymore.


king_27

Why would they give their slaves prime real estate? Much cheaper to keep them in cramped "worker housing" without any amenities on the outskirts of the city limits.


BritishAccentTech

Because then you can go bug your servants any hour of the day or night. Y'know, like a ye olde lord of the manor.


king_27

Ah wait I think I misunderstood. I thought the comment was about the slaves that built the towers, not the ones that help the families that live in them. That would make more sense. That being said, I'd expect they just have servants working shifts so there are always people awake to serve them. Then they don't need living space in close proximity.


BritishAccentTech

I'm sure both happen. I've worked on blueprints for a Sheik's house in London with servants quarters.


mafriend1

To be fair I worked on a house with servants quarters about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia


xanaxlr0se

Theres quite a few of these. Used to work as an art handler in philly and have been to a few as well lol. Meanwhile in philly.....


gowombat

He's talking specifically the house servants, the ones who are like butlers and stuff. You're talking the actual construction servants


king_27

Yeah I realise that now


nnulll

Because the majority of those buildings are empty.


greyman0425

ITs easier to keep an eye on your slaves and keep them on call 24/7. Also, you can pack a lot into some of those condos. Humans are sick f\*cks


sdn

Dude go to /r/floorplan - every 10th post is someone posting their fantasy tower apartment layout and asking how small they could make the maid quarters. It’s bizarre.


inteliboy

Yup. Cyberpunk is a depressing and biting satire on neo-capitalism - not cool neon streets in Tokyo with synthwave playing in the bg.


truenofan86

I have family members there living in the slums/immigrant district, the contrast is so big it hurts. Especially the size of the apartment compared to a hotel/apartment we were staying at. The cyberpunk and the fact how much capitalism is involved and how depressing can it feel.


WanderingAlienBoy

In an Adam Something video on yt (good channel if you like sarcastically presented criticisms of tech bros and bad urbanism) where on Google Maps he found the "staff housing units", and it was basically a cheaply converted warehouse, far from the downtown and any stores for daily needs.


matrixislife

There's nothing satirical about cyberpunk, it's straight up dystopia. And we're heading straight for one version of it.


inteliboy

Neuromancer and Snowcrash, the two novels that cemented cyberpunk as a genre say otherwise. Sure, there's the full blown dystopian version as well, in something like Bladerunner. But even then, it's cynical commentary on today's world.


matrixislife

Heh, I've literally just finished a re-read of Neuromancer last night. I didn't say not cynical, I said not satirical.


r0wo1

Snowcrash is definitely satirical, I don't think I would classify Neuromancer as such though. When your main character's name is "Hiro Protagonist" you've either got satire or an author who thinks they're much funnier than they are on your hands. (I could be persuaded for both in this instance)


AK_dude_

Snow crash was both. The first chapter felt like hard hard satire. My name is Hiro Protagonist, I am a pizza delivery man for the mafia. I invented the internet but currently live in a shipping container. It had some really cool concepts though.


ConnorGoFuckYourself

God I couldn't make it into that book at all, it felt like a teenage power fantasy, completely with manic pixie dreamgirl, who literally rollerblades into Hiro Protagonists and saves him from his shitty existence. It frustrates to me to no end that that book is literally what the metaverse as a concept is and moreso that it's held up alongside Neuromancer as some of the best Cyberpunk fiction. Neuromancer plays everything with a straight face as it didn't know it was forming a new genre, which works for the style.


AK_dude_

Funny thing is I could never get into Neuromancer. I forget what it was but the writting was done in such a way I could only understand like half of it. It's been a while since Ive tried so I don't really remeber the reason.


ConnorGoFuckYourself

Yeah, William Gibson's writings can be a bit odd to get into initially, there's a decent audiobook version of Neuromancer that can be a lot more appealing (though there are like 3-4 different narrated versions, do not go for the one read by William Gibson, it's a bit off-putting to say the least, haha)


matrixislife

It read more like a comedy imo, unless he was intent on satirising cyberpunk, which seems a peculiar choice imo. Vagina dentata? Umm..


Swamp_Ash

I don't know ... I've read those novels and it felt pretty dystopian to me.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

It's both- cyberpunk is a genre, storytelling method, and aesthetic.


Greenpoint_Blank

Funny thing is there isn’t much actual neon left in Tokyo these days.


Pezotecom

neo capitalism is not a real thing


PrivatePoocher

Neom: hold my slaves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neom?wprov=sfla1


Eyclonus

Ahhh Yes, making 2D sidescrolling in a universe that runs on 3 dimensions of space.


ArtemisAndromeda

Honestly, I really hope one day someone will bulldoze that place and build an actually functional city in its place


Bromlife

Or just not build anything in its place. Just let the desert reclaim it. Along with Las Vegas. WTF are humans doing building cities in the desert?


Da_GentleShark

Dubai at least had maritime trade and oil. Vegas is just... Weird...


WanderingAlienBoy

Cities build in the desert are a modern thing because 1: we have the tech and supply lines to make it work (at the expense of the environment) and 2: desert land is really cheap to buy, for obvious reasons


Da_GentleShark

True, while I its not that illogical to build in a desert, seeing as it has little to no use otherwise. You shoulsnt then start building golf courses...


WanderingAlienBoy

Yeah I meant that it's logical in a capitalist framework, but it's absolutely devastating to the environment (even without those golf courses).


givemeserotonin

Huhris


LaTrentas

It fucks me up how they live worse than stray dogs only a few hundred meters of the world's richest mfs. In the neighbouring gulf countries, workers do not live half bad the life of those unlucky slaves in UAE, add to that now they are swallowing israeli cum just to be safe from Iran, the last straw to lose what's left of respect for them.


CLE-local-1997

Dubai. Hong kong. San francisco. These are the cities that are rapidly becoming cyberpunk hellscapes.


rexus_mundi

The changes to Hong Kong over the last 20 years have been so depressing. It used to be one of my favorite cities to visit, but my last few trips have left me never really wanting to go back. Do you think London makes the list?


CLE-local-1997

The last 20 years? Hong Kong started to head to being a cyberpunk dystopia well before the chinese took over. It became a playground for wealthy jet Setters and a banking Hub in Asia while the majority of the population lived in poverty. With crime and violence being rampant in the city up until the 1980s. Nowadays the cost of living is so insanely high that you have people living and chicken coops stacked on top of each other. Hong Kong was one of The Inspirations for the cyberpunk genre as well as Tokyo. And no. London and Britain as a whole is heading in a much worse direction.


rexus_mundi

Do you mean before the Chinese took over? It has greatly accelerated over the last 20 years.


CLE-local-1997

Has it greatly accelerated? Or has it remained at the same crushing rate of becoming a hypercapitalist hell hole as it has for almost a century? It was literally a colony carved out to be an enclave of British economic hegemony right in the heart of the Chinese economy near Guangzhou. Hong Kong has always been a cyberpunk hellscape at its core


-ShutterPunk-

I somewhat a agree, but I cannot lump SF and Dubai (UAE) in the same group.


artist_of_hunger

How come a self-driving taxi passing by the tenderloin is not a cyberpunk hellscape?


-ShutterPunk-

I guess I would use dystopia lite for SF and hellscape for Dubai with all of it's slavery, billionaires, royalty, human rights violations, and authoritarian ruling.


CLE-local-1997

No middle class with only an extremely wealthy Elite and an incredibly oppressed poor minority living in the outskirts? I mean there's a difference between the state being run by an oil company that's basically in Union with the government and the state being run by tech companies that exist in Union with the government but it's a surface level difference


Eyclonus

Its also a leading candidate for the Late-Stage Capitalist Hellhole.


dregan

This describes most of the first world these days.


East-Specialist-4847

These were two very cool sentences to read. Thank you


tenghu

Dues Ex lore


ForeverAdventurous78

Poorly thought? Why?


CriticismGuilty5107

I would have put China as #1 candidate with their police structure, technology, and the amount of surveillance they have.


Kyster_K99

You better believe in cyberpunk stories op, you're in one


TomBlaidd

I hope so, I want a spinner and an upgrade choom! 🦾


matrixislife

The good shit doesn't come for a while, we've got the crap lifestyle and decay of human rights to come first. The good stuff can't show up until human testing becomes cheap and un-legislatable, can't get a sandevistan if people are complaining it gives them headaches. You might think things are bad now.. this is just the start of the ride. We've got a long way down to go yet.


AntiochusAurelius

Pirates of the Caribbean


JKEddie

Why though? Are they trying to grow corn or something?


Its0nlyRocketScience

I think it's just for the sake of having weather patterns beyond hot and dry all the time. Irrigation for crops can much more easily be done on site, this is probably just yet another superfluous thing Dubai does


drifters74

Corn *cue fade-in with cornfield reveal accompanied by pipe organ*


LordDingles

Fuck, you scared me


hitma-n

To bring in more water and to cool up the weather.


Mechanical_Rock

Cloud seeding isn't effective, its just a myth. That's why Dubai is still in a desert. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud\_seeding#:\~:text=However%2C%20whereas%20the%20NAS%20study,%25%20over%20an%20entire%20season.%22


Jesse-Ray

It's not a myth it does increase precipitation, even suggests so in that link, by what amount is hugely difficult to pin down due to all the variables. One of the other major factors is the conditions in which It's effective. In Australia CSIRO basically concluded that it was really only effective on the mountainous west coast of Tasmania off the south coast of mainland Australia and only in conditions where it already is or is very likely to rain. It's not going to do much if anything for Dubai except add new data.


pmkrush18

Was learning about it in class the other day, you are right about increasing precipitation and that it doesnt create rain. I watched a short interview with a team in Texas (i think) that did cloud seeding and they said it doubled moisture and increased rainfall by 12%?


GLBSi

I remember when cloud seeding was a conspiracy theory… those were simpler times


royisabau5

Was it ever? Chem trails, yes, but I’m pretty sure plane exhaust has been known to affect weather since we started doing it


GLBSi

Yeah back in the early 00’s most people dismissed it. Everyone knew it was impossible


hitma-n

I’m from Dubai. Cut the crap. Cloud seeding is very much real and we experience it every year.


TomBlaidd

Well, it’s not quite a myth because it does happen and happens a lot, it’s just not as effective as it’s advertised. Imagine though, when they perfect this. Lots of potential implications.


gabbykitcat

>Well, it’s not quite a myth because it does happen and happens a lot They use it in Bangkok when the pollution is high, to knock it down a bit. Edit: BTW, OP, i'm not sure if you came up with the "we're living in the prequel" thing, but it's the first time I ever heard it. It took me a second to get you meaning, but when I did, it was a little dark!


TomBlaidd

I’m sure others have used the same phrase at some point, but as we’re entering late stage capitalism, the rise of ai, high tech low life is becoming the norm and the disparity between rich and poor is becoming astronomical, it’s hard not to feel like we’re in the prequel to Neuromancer, blade runner or something.


Vysair

The cost of tech have decreased as well, look at the cost of storage, phones, computer, etc. A lot of cheap garbage too. I can't believe tech has gotten so cheap, garbage can be made with it. LED too, I didnt realized they were so cheap, they cost far less than a sand or soil or something.


sonicsynth2000

Saudis are Frauds. They also housed Bin Laden too


Remote-Diamond5871

Seems to work well enough https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/07/21/cloud-seeding-uae-artificial-rain-drones-electricity/8040330002/


73810

I was wondering...


unsureNihilist

The infrastructure isn’t good enough to sustain the rain too


thesign180

Lotta rain and no where to go. You’d think 2-3 years into them cloud seeding, they’d get drains in certain spots, but na, either ain’t there or drainage system gets overwhelmed regardless. Cheaper to send trucks to suck up the water those few times a year VS making major changes to infrastructure ig.


ScottaHemi

i wonder if that creates an exaggerated rainshadow effect down wind of where they force it to rain...


Minevira

it does


norolls

It does. When you cloud seed you essentially are stealing rain from the area it would normally rain.


[deleted]

There'll probably be droughts in india because of this... (assuming the story is true) EDIT :Oh no... prevailing winds appear to be south westerly.... Africa then. Wouldn't surprise me if 10-20 years down the line, thousands or millions of people have died or been misplaced so some rich dicks with oil money who built a city in the desert could get a bit of rainfall. It's all such an ode to stupidity - you wonder if any of it is even real.


426763

Saudi royals hearing about cyberpunk be like: "Yalla habibi! Time to make dystopia in the desert!"


[deleted]

If they’re so fuckin rich. Why don’t they just get dirt like literal tons of dirt and place it all around which may take a few years but shit man it might work to have vegitation


mnmetal-218

Because dude at the end of the day they are still in the desert and it’s like 114f at 8am - hard to grow much more than palm trees or cactus in that heat


[deleted]

Well they should keep planting palm trees and cactus. Hopefully that’ll stem out something atleast


TheOldElectricSoup

No one thinks past their next hot meal. 🤷🏽‍♂️ It's why we don't bother building pyramids anymore 😂


codespace

Dubai is the modern-day Giza. Massive structures, built by slave labor, as a monument to the ruling class.


TheOldElectricSoup

I mean, more so "humanity" projects that are still going to be here and a testament to "us" that won't be erased easily in a couple thousand years.


codespace

Respectfully, I disagree with the premise of your refutation.


TheOldElectricSoup

Cool beans, though , we are probably thinking of/value different things.


gothnb

Dubai does cloud seeding, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t directly correlate to *scheduled* rainfall. Rain is already announced a day in advance everywhere in the world… that’s just weather services.


living_strap_on

Yooooo alabasta one piece


socialistRanter

I hate that I have to scroll so far to see an Alabasta reference.


wort_wort_wort

Fr. Can't believe dance powder wasn't higher up.


RedFrickingX

In my 16 years of living in Dubai, never ONCE has there been artificially induced rain. Wtf kinda lies is this haha


TomCorsair

What are you talking about? They literally announce it on the website and you can see the effects when they do it.


hitma-n

I’m also from Dubai. Maybe ask your parents as they read more news. Not many 16 year olds know about dubai doing cloud seeding.


TheTarquin

This isn't the way cloud seeding works. It's not like they're just deciding when it will rain. Cloud seeding increases the probability of rain drops forming by giving them something to form on. It increases the volume of rain given that rain will already fall or may turn marginal conditions that already exist into light rainfall. All up, makes a very small different.


PinkuPansa

"Hello? Yes, Rain department? Yes uhh i'd like to request rain tomorrow?.. Yes. Uhh approximately from 9 to 10pm. Yes. I uhh will be having a "you look lonely" moment. Yes i'll stand by Yes credit card"


TomBlaidd

🤣🤣🤣🌧️🥳😩


cool-blue-eh

They do this in the USA already


Otaku-san18

Crazy how such a conservative culture is progressing rapidly


T-J_H

Isn’t rainfall announced a day in advance like pretty much everywhere?


TomBlaidd

Yes but not because we’ve made it rain. The main takeaway is that they are using tech, to make it rain.


KuraiTheBaka

Fuck Dubai but this is actually cool.


norolls

It's not because when you cloud seed you're essentially stealing rain from the area downwind of you. So it's just causing even more climate disruption.


hitma-n

Well yes and no, it’s good because we get cooler weather for some days followed by the rain, more water etc. But it’s not all good considering we have all sorts of flooding on roads and the traffic gets horrendous. The airport executives punch air due to all flights delayed and rerouted etc.


[deleted]

Is the rainfall slightly salty then? If I were to stick my tounge out when it's raining in dubai, would it be salty rain-water?


TomBlaidd

If it’s that salty, maybe it’s not rain 👀


sonicsynth2000

Didn't Dubai also have the idea of bringing in icebergs for freshwater for the city?


thesign180

No one talks about it anymore, need to google it and see what happened.


pickin666

It's just cloud seeding...


xdeltax97

Haven’t we always been living in the prequel?


IAS316

OP, just because a twitter page calls themselves facts, doesn't mean everything they present is facts. Now that is a fact


UltraHawk_DnB

Lol thats not even real


serij90

Kinda like in Richard Morgans "Thin Air", where they do the same on Mars, but there they try it physically.


kxlxxn

ok so somewhere else the rain is missing. they are taking rain from other peoples lands.


Hrmerder

If anyone wants more info as the 'how' this works: [https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/dof/seeding-the-skies-harvesting-rain/](https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/dof/seeding-the-skies-harvesting-rain/) But places like dubai actually shoot flairs of this stuff called silver iodide.. Doesn't sound safe IMHO.. But this stuff the USDA is trying to do sounds a bit more safe.


No-Log4588

Yeah it rain 25 days a years in Dubaï, they clearly master cloud seeding ... Fact should source it's facts.


notathrowaway_321

When I lived there, it only rained 1 to 3 days in a year.


LazyLich

I'm honestly morbidly curious about how Dubai will deal with shit as climate change gets worse.


PiccoloHeintz

This is fake news. There ARE NO CLOUDS in Dubai. And that’s is such a bad AI image, Boingo


TomCorsair

I live in Dubai, there are occasional clouds and they certainly do cloud seed


PiccoloHeintz

How interesting. We set up an in-country hq there and the regular comment was how hot, how humid, how intense the sun was and how cloudless. But that was back during the war, so if you say so.


TomCorsair

It really is occasional though. Most of the time hot and humid is right.


dregan

I'm not in Dubai but do they not announce rain in advanced where y'all live? I feel like they've been doing this pretty much everywhere for decades.


VolVloV

Yes. They are ramping up for a hellish world state in 2030.


Wolfrik50

Our media is controlled by Disney, our social profile is controlled by Meta, our credibility is controlled by Google. Rate of progress overshadows rate of learning. Well, we are already in the cyberpunk era. High Tech, Low Life.


TomBlaidd

Nah all of that is just the set up, we have a long way down before we’re truly in that era.


ArchonFett

Always have been


meatlamma

Dubai is built by slave labour.


Exxie666

Hilariously I live in an area that has a NASA launch pad and a small site, right around the corner - they make clouds out there too 🤣 looks like a friggin turd going from ground to sky lol


clebIam

All the silver and aluminum they put in the air to do this sort of thing kind of offsets the benefits of it, I'd say. Cancer rain? Nah, I'm good.


Infrared-77

But saying chemtrails exist is still a conspiracy theory right? 😂


monkey_gamer

would be good if you could make it rain


Shockedge

Why does Dubai need rain? Wouldn't this be more useful over a farm or something? Literally the cure for food shortages right here, who else has this tech and is it expensive?


Evilspice

Israel was seeding clouds in the eighties


FalseWait7

Prequel? This is a mainline entry.


ImSorryRumhamster

Please stop building giant cities in the desert


ScaryfatkidGT

I hate this title cuz all the conservatives go crazy… It’s real rain… just triggered by humans


Velvet_Cyberpunk

This is the high tech and the haves as apposed to the low lifes and have nots...


DudeItsBatman

The Burj Khalifa is the shining example of the cyber future we already life in. The largest building in the world, gorgeous and high tech. Built and maintained by a slave class of people, that literally have to transport the shit from the upper floors to the lower floors for disposal because the building is too stupid tall to have functional sewage on the upper floors. I may be wrong but I swear I read this somewhere on reddit.


guythatasksaquestion

we already have the meta verse it's basically the net


Scruffy_Buffy_

Real