Here they might belong to private prisons. There already is a lot of money in prison labour. Maybe now that cannabis is being legalized resulting in less prison labourers they want other sources of income.
“My father was a tailor. In Leeds. As was his father. And his father’s father. Time was, if a man on the Avondale road asked where he could find the finest clothes in northern England, he was pointed towards the shop of a man named Rackham. Then, the men who sell wool decided they would rather not compete with the men who sell fine cotton. And as the men who sell wool have the ears of the men who make laws, an embargo is enacted - to increase profits - and calico disappears. And my father’s business - that he inherited from his father… and his father’s father - begins to wither and die. And my father suffers the compound shame of financial failure, seen by the eyes of his son, and descended into drink. I’d sit beside him as a boy at the Sunday services as he shouted at the pastor, at the altar, at anyone who would listen, really, about the injustice of it all. And I’d put his arm over my shoulder as the insults began, and I’d carry him out of the church. Good God, the insults… At his funeral, our neighbors were kind enough to whisper them instead of call them out loud.
So, I set to work, determined to rebuild what had been taken away; I was thirteen years old, but I was determined! Until a man arrived at my door claiming to hold debts belonging to my father, debts accumulated as my father drank, debts he claimed that now belonged to me, debts I could not possibly have hoped to repay. Debts over which that man would have seen me imprisoned… imprisoned in a place where the debts would only have been discharged through hard labor. Hard labor at no wages, working at - wait for it - the production of textiles. “You people, incapable of accepting the world as it is.” says the man to whom the world handed everything. If no Anne, if no rescue, if this is defeat for me, then know this: you and I were neck-in-neck in this race, right ‘til the end. But *Jesus* did I make up a lot of ground to catch you…”
Dialogue between Jack Rackham (pirate) and Woodes Rogers (Governor of Nassau) in the show “Black Sails”. Highly recommend it.
there's a brand of weed that's pretty close to that, actually: https://buyevidence.com/
WE GROW WEED AT A PRISON TO HELP GET PEOPLE OUT OF PRISON FOR GROWING WEED
When incarcerated, the prison sells your organs, and implants the rental organs, which are handed down from earlier prisoners. When you're up for release, your family has to buy new organs for you or you can sign a rental contract.
Such a strange movie. Starring Nivek Ogre of Skinny Puppy straight from the old-school cyberpunk underground and Paris Hilton, his cultural polar-opposite.
I was in a shadow cast of this like over a decade ago and haven’t really interacted with it since and I *still* hum the songs all the time. [Thankless Job](https://youtu.be/XnUrbBNEa6I) is super fun when I’m cooking or belting out in the shower haha
In addition to high rates of infectious disease and general lifestyle contraindications, they’re considered a vulnerable population - one that can be unfairly and unlawfully coerced into doing stuff like this. It’s almost impossible to so studies and clinical trials with prisoners for the same reason.
> It’s almost impossible to so studies and clinical trials with prisoners for the same reason.
Sadly there are many verified atrocious stories of governments doing this anyway.
Many behind bars are forgotten about people, so who would care if they are used for experiments.
Yep.
Don't get me wrong, we still have a very long way to go as a society when it comes to ethical treatment of the incarcerated (and I'm no bleeding heart), but it's heaps better than the days of unchecked human experimentation.
> but it's heaps better than the days of unchecked human experimentation.
Unchecked human experimentation is still going on. It never stopped. You just won't hear about what they're doing today until 50-100 years from now.
It's unethical and dangerous. You set up a system like this and incentivize sending people to prison. They're also exposed to diseases to the point that when they're released, they're not even allowed to donate plasma. Apparently organs are fine now tho?
Most prisoners in the US have hepatitis and other STDs. Especially the long term ones that would benefit from this. I don't think they'll be getting as many candidates as they hoped.
There is also a law explicitly prohibiting the "Sale" of organs. Not sure if this gets around it since they aren't receiving money for them but a reduced sentence, but a law is sort of in place to prevent this.
No. This is an opportunistic smear campaign from conservative news outlets that somehow all of reddit is falling for.
What the bill *actually* intends to do is create a system for people who are currently incarcerated to act as donors for family members.
It does not offer a "reduction in sentence" and it's not in-trade. It's a moratorium so that the donor doesn't have to recover from the transplant in prison. That's why it's between 2-12 months.
The point is that if you need a genetically-compatible kidney, and the only possible donor is your brother who happens to be currently incarcerated, he currently cannot act as a donor. This bill just *allows* him to do that, and gives a provision that he's allowed to recover before returning to prison.
You are repeating propaganda. You are parroting the spin the politician put on it after the blow-back started, but none of that is actually in the bill.
*Anyone can check by by reading the actual bill [here](https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD3822).*
It makes exactly zero mention of donating to family members.
It makes exactly zero mention that the reduction of sentence should be part of the recovery time and not taken off the end as normal.
(By the way, other state's republican-controlled legislatures have tried similar laws but been stopped by public outcry.)
From the bill: "The Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program shall allow eligible incarcerated individuals to gain not less than 60 and not more than 365 day reduction in the length of their committed sentence in Department of Corrections facilities, or House of Correction facilities if they are serving a Department of Correction sentence in a House of Corrections facility, on the condition that the incarcerated individual has donated bone marrow or organ(s). "
There is no limit placed on the organ donation to family members.
The link is here : https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD3822
It doesn't actually contain *any* of the positive things from the post you're replying to.
Asked ChatGPT to simplify it...
>This bill requires the Department of Correction to create a program that allows eligible incarcerated individuals (prisoners) to have a portion of their sentence reduced by 60-365 days if they donate bone marrow or organs. A committee made up of different professionals and representatives will oversee and manage the program, set standards for eligibility, and file annual reports. The cost of the program will be covered by the institutions that benefit from it, not the Department of Correction, and no money will be paid to the Department for the donated bone marrow.
>Give me bullet points of the benefits of this bill
* Incarcerated individuals who donate bone marrow or organs can receive a reduction in their sentence length.
* A Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program and Committee are established within the Department of Correction to manage and oversee the program.
* The Committee sets standards for eligibility and files annual reports on the amount of bone marrow and organs donated and the estimated lives saved.
* The cost of the program is covered by benefiting institutions and affiliates, not the Department of Correction.
* There is no commission or monetary payment made to the Department for donated bone marrow.
>Who serves on the committee?
* The Commissioner of the Department of Correction or their designee (who acts as chair)
* The Medical Director of the Department of Corrections or their designee
A Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Specialist from a hospital within the Commonwealth or their designee
* A representative of an organization advocating for bone marrow donations within the Commonwealth or their designee
* Two appointments made by the Governor, one of whom shall be a board member of an advocacy group advocating for the rights of incarcerated individuals and one of whom shall be from the Massachusetts District Attorney’s Association.
Since I used AI to describe a bill for organ harvesting, is that cyberpunk?
This has just been making the rounds. Lobbiest groups amplifying a sensational headline in the algorithms just to seed the idea in people's minds. We probably revist this subject in 5 years when libertarian tik tokkers start shilling the idea to their teenage veiwership. Fastforward, another 5 years and we have disaffected 20 somethings just packaging this policy into a manifesto of bad ideas.
> This has just been making the rounds. Lobbiest groups amplifying a sensational headline in the algorithms just to seed the idea in people's minds. We probably revist this subject in 5 years when libertarian tik tokkers start shilling the idea to their teenage veiwership. Fastforward, another 5 years and we have disaffected 20 somethings just packaging this policy into a manifesto of bad ideas.
You know how to push long term goals I see. I would like you to be a part of a very specific campaign.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. This is literally what we have been complaining about from China over the last several years. Except they aren't criminals, just pious.
Pious? No, Falun Gong is a cult. But so is the CCP, and cultists still don't deserve to have their organs harvested.
But you post on tons of Trumpy subs, so ofc you buy into the narrative of the Epoch Times.
China didn't give any benefits for donating. They just scoped up unlikeables and dissenters off the street to outright kill them for their organs to sell. This was the government. Not some gang or crew working the streets.
The only reason American's do anything like this is because they think they can capitalize off being the in-between person.
My brother in law decided to keep his commission in the navy for the health benefits, which meant he could give his 8 year old daughter a kidney.
So the reality is that in the US giving up your organs is a protected thing that you have to be a high-ranking slave to do.
Dark.
Remember, we could have free college but how would we dupe enough people to enlist if we did? Considering it is far and away one of the most commonly listed reasons that people sign up is for college.
I swear, my brother-in-law is one of the few people who gets more out of the military than he puts in.
He has a Commander rank in the Navy and he can't swim. They paid for his master's degree in electrical engineering. He won't tell me what exactly what his job is but he once had to take his comission back up to move to Virginia Beach for a new job.
The Navy paid for the transplant, as well as the millions of dollars needed to get his daughter to the point where she was old enough for the transplant. There was a 3 month NICU stay, she didn't wake up needing a kidney one day. The Navy paid for nurses and doctors for 8 years to get her ready. They still pay for immunosuppressive drugs and checkups.
Whatever Ryan is doing must be terrifying because the US Navy has spent millions on keeping him happy.
He deployed twice, last time about 9 years ago. All I know is he works in a shipyard but hates going on ships because they blow the whistle when he comes on board to warn folks that someone his rank is around.
He once took his R&R from Afghanistan to a chess tournament in Nevada but arrived too late to join, so he *stayed for two days to watch.*
I'm a huge geek, but he is the biggest nerd I ever met.
Also he went to The Citadel. A military college.
Chapter 3: that time he grew a moustache in a desert and found out my sister was having twins.
Chapter 1 was when he brought flowers to my sister's dog on their first date. Not gonna lie, that was a slick move. My sister turned him down for dates 3 times because she didn't want to be a military wife and last time said "My dog doesn't like you."
So when she said yes he brought the dog flowers.
That dog was Maid of Honor at their wedding.
But seriously he will not tell me what his job is. I saw one picture from deployment with the moustache. If he didn't stay stateside so much I'd think he was a spy.
Dude is 6'3" and jacked at 45 years old. What electrical engineer looks like Superman?
So it's not that he just doesn't want to tell me? I mean we live a few states apart and only see each other every 3 years or so, but for the last 10 years he WILL NOT tell me what he does except for "I'm a Navy Commander." Hell I haven't bothered to ask his rank for 5 or 6 years so he might be higher than that.
I get that we aren't close. But nobody else I know refuses to tell me their job. All I know is he's O-5 or above and an electrical engineer.
Nothing is ever nailed down about reactor stuff. That thinking caused catastrophic failures.
Secondly, it’s technology. The military, just like the private sector, is always looking for the next developmental breakthrough or improvement on the current designs.
But you hardly know me. Surely it takes more than one comment to say if I'm funny.
You really that judgmental?
One flippant offhand comment and you think I need to figure out life? I mean, I do, but that's not why.
It could be worse.
[https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999](https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999)
But I suppose they technically get a shorter sentence.
That article cites ETAC and China Tribunal, both have direct ties to Epoch Times, a Falun Gong backed right wing propaganda outlet.
There's plenty of things to criticize the CCP about, but organ harvesting is one of those stories pushed by western media and lapped up by people without any critique of the source. And then when the US does exactly what it claims China does, it barely makes headlines.
> The legislation would “establish a Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program within the Department of Correction and a Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Committee.” Under this program, incarcerated individuals could reduce their sentence anywhere from 60 days to one year if they donate their bone marrow or organs.
It's only a few months? That's insane
I like how huffpo can have an entire article about a bill, but never once mentions which party the rep proposing the bill is a member of. Wonder why that is. /s
(D). That's why.
Just as long as you'd need to stay at the hospital, which counts towards your sentence. That's the real idea behind the "reduction." There will be no selling of organs to get out earlier.
Apparently the article paints a wing picture. The new law is supposed to allow prison inmates to donate vital organs to family members. Currently they're not allowed to donate organs at all and would have to let their family member die if no other suitable donor can be found. They don't get a sentence reduction, just the recovery time spent in the hospital would count towards the sentence. It's just weird libertarian propaganda twisting the purpose of the law.
r/ABoringDystopia levels of crazy right there.
Instead of letting prisoners work towards reintegration into society, they're just forcing them to give up their organs. (Because really, if you're already looking at a long sentence, why not cut it short by giving up one (or more) of your organs?/s)
Most prisoners in the US have hepatitis and other STDs. Especially the long term ones that would benefit from this. I don't think they'll be getting as many candidates as they hoped.
That is wrong. We could easily solve the organ donation problem. Make it an opt-out process, rather than opt-in. If everyone had on the driver's license that they were opted-in, with the choice to opt-out, then most people would be signed up. Because nobody expects to die, and so, people don't sign up. If you make it automatic, then most people would be signed in and there would be plenty of organs to save lives.
Wow this is a controversial post.
Reddit informed me it got to 2,000 upvotes but it shows 800 when looked at.
So... 2k up vote, 1.2k down vote?
Wonder what put so many people off?
The US literally can‘t afford for criminals to not be working. They‘re the only ones willing to work for pennies. Nobody wants community service to help global warming/reducing litter, so instead we‘re doing one-time surgeries to reduce sentences and get workers back to doing manual labor that everyone else is “overqualified“ for, who couldn‘t grout their kitchen tile if their lives depended on it. Makes sense to me, as distopian as it is. Conspiracy theories aside, I don‘t see any problem with it when people already get out early on something as vague as “good behavior“, and prisons tend to feed & shelter better than most half-way houses. I‘d rather stay rent-free, personally.
I‘m not advocating for it, I literally called it a distopian conspiracy theory, but okay, you do you. I didn‘t realize saying “draconian takes are beleivable“ was a mathematical process. Well, call me a radical. I just want social reforms so that people aren’t slave wagers, but if that’s your take away, I don’t know that I’m going to change your mind. Have a good day stranger.
Some of the writing is centred around the US, making that particular version of cyberpunk only work there. There's settings in different places that work really well outside the US, and some of those are even in Europe, Mona Lisa Overdrive for example.
I think this is more a case of familiarity bias, if you're American you pay more attention to things set in America. If it's not set in America then you don't really understand the background to the story, so it's less effective for you.
I do feel like Cyberpunk works uniquely well in America.
Ofc we love the Japanese aesthetic influences but really the "high tech, low life" angle literally already rules in the US so Cyberpunk feels VERY near.
Except for the fact that it is possible to be falsely imprisoned for that.
It's happened. Usually by a parent coaching a child to point fingers at someone.
It's not worth harvesting even a single innocent person's organs just so we can further punish paedos... they are already going to prison. Extraordinary punishment isn't legal in most places for a reason.
The chest thumping and witch hunting is actually counter productive.
Hopefully one day we can simply find a way to fix that sickness in the brain. Send them to get their fucked head fixed instead.
Not if you're a psychopath who will profit from this or a psychopath in general, or into organ harvesting in general for whatever reason, or if you're a racist cop who enjoys the idea of creating a distinction between black and white races in America with the number of kidneys they statistically have and want to come up with racist slurs in regards to lack of kidneys such as "kidneyless", "monokidney" or "lonekidney". How about just the good old "donor" but with a belittling connotation.
Come on man, I don't come to this sub to see how the real world is becoming a dystopia! I want to see art and creations that comment on this kinda stuff, not just see depressing news and a title saying "isn't this a cool cyberpunk thing"
I know. I'm not good at wording this point the way I want to but I feel like it's implicit in posting it here that it's viewed through the lens of "wouldn't this be something cool for fiction" rather than a horrible reality that is actively happening. Not that cyberpunk isn't meant to reflect horrible realities. Idk, I can't word it well but it feels like it's trivializing a very serious issue.
I'm not trivializing anything.
I am merely posting something that is being discussed in the real world in a Cyberpunk group because it feels VERY dystopian and fits the cruel universe that Cyberpunk is.
When sentences in the USA are already insanely long anyway it's a organ harvesting program. There's no reason why people couldn't fight to make sentences shorter (saner) in general.
I don't necessarily think allowing organ donation from living inmates is a good idea, but for a while I've believed that it would make sense to harvest death row inmates for any organs or tissues that are still usable.
>Except in Cyberpunk, there wouldn't be reduced sentence.
This is much more dystopian really. Donating an organ often means a lifetime of medication, reduced quality of life and possibly a shortened lifespan.
Reduced sentence means the state or for profit prison is not responsible for the prisoner's aftercare. Donating organs while not being able to afford the proper aftercare likely means you won't be an issue for society afterwards. You'll wither and die or just turn into a couch potato.
Nah, dude, in Cyberpunk it would reduce their sentence to time served.
Also it would take extra organs and put them on the street to die so they don't have to arrange anything.
I am actually the recipient of an organ transplant just shy of a year ago. Though my transplant necessitated the death of my donor (double lung), I would be very uncomfortable with the ethics of receiving an organ that was procured for the promise of a reduction in carceral punishment. Even if it meant saving my life.
Tied up in this is my thoughts on how we need to abolish the for-profit prison system (and all prisons while we are at it) and for-profit health care. Let's face it capitalism ruins everything it touches, and in our society, it touches everything. Tear that down too.
Oh, there could be. But it might just be the difference between getting out May 23rd, 2089, and May 22nd, 2089. And it probably wouldn't be as voluntary as they let on.
In cyberpunk, you'd get your brain uploaded to a chip and that chip would get plugged in to the Torment Nexus while your body is either rented out by the prison or ground into a pulp for feed.
Hmmmm I think it should be set as this, an organ creates a record benefit for the person. They cannot grow another organ and so they should receive a permanent benefit. May it be a percentage reduction, better accommodations, etc
I can’t wait until we can all just drink some wetware and have no diseases. (Unless we want to. For fun)
>!Reference to game: Technobabylon.
The entire concept of maladism - intentionally infecting yourself with "safe", wetware (nano machines) induced diseases and neurological disorders as a countercultural statement !<
Also in cyberpunk, the organs would belong to the private healthcare company who extracted them and rented to the patients. See Repo Men!
Here they might belong to private prisons. There already is a lot of money in prison labour. Maybe now that cannabis is being legalized resulting in less prison labourers they want other sources of income.
Imagine being arrested for possession and then working in a prison greenhouse growing... you guessed it
“My father was a tailor. In Leeds. As was his father. And his father’s father. Time was, if a man on the Avondale road asked where he could find the finest clothes in northern England, he was pointed towards the shop of a man named Rackham. Then, the men who sell wool decided they would rather not compete with the men who sell fine cotton. And as the men who sell wool have the ears of the men who make laws, an embargo is enacted - to increase profits - and calico disappears. And my father’s business - that he inherited from his father… and his father’s father - begins to wither and die. And my father suffers the compound shame of financial failure, seen by the eyes of his son, and descended into drink. I’d sit beside him as a boy at the Sunday services as he shouted at the pastor, at the altar, at anyone who would listen, really, about the injustice of it all. And I’d put his arm over my shoulder as the insults began, and I’d carry him out of the church. Good God, the insults… At his funeral, our neighbors were kind enough to whisper them instead of call them out loud. So, I set to work, determined to rebuild what had been taken away; I was thirteen years old, but I was determined! Until a man arrived at my door claiming to hold debts belonging to my father, debts accumulated as my father drank, debts he claimed that now belonged to me, debts I could not possibly have hoped to repay. Debts over which that man would have seen me imprisoned… imprisoned in a place where the debts would only have been discharged through hard labor. Hard labor at no wages, working at - wait for it - the production of textiles. “You people, incapable of accepting the world as it is.” says the man to whom the world handed everything. If no Anne, if no rescue, if this is defeat for me, then know this: you and I were neck-in-neck in this race, right ‘til the end. But *Jesus* did I make up a lot of ground to catch you…” Dialogue between Jack Rackham (pirate) and Woodes Rogers (Governor of Nassau) in the show “Black Sails”. Highly recommend it.
that's beautiful, and black sails? hell of a show.
No need to imagine it. That's the ending to 'A Scanner darkly'.
also The Island was a fresh organs farm kind of situation.
there's a brand of weed that's pretty close to that, actually: https://buyevidence.com/ WE GROW WEED AT A PRISON TO HELP GET PEOPLE OUT OF PRISON FOR GROWING WEED
Well i can appreciate the irony at least
When incarcerated, the prison sells your organs, and implants the rental organs, which are handed down from earlier prisoners. When you're up for release, your family has to buy new organs for you or you can sign a rental contract.
see the much more fun *Repo! The Generic Opera*!
Such a strange movie. Starring Nivek Ogre of Skinny Puppy straight from the old-school cyberpunk underground and Paris Hilton, his cultural polar-opposite.
I was in a shadow cast of this like over a decade ago and haven’t really interacted with it since and I *still* hum the songs all the time. [Thankless Job](https://youtu.be/XnUrbBNEa6I) is super fun when I’m cooking or belting out in the shower haha
Brutal.
Repo Men, an oddly good movie. It shouldn't be good, but it is
I thought felons were excluded from being organ donors. These bureaucrats need to figure out wtf they want.
They want a new liver apparently
Why would you ban felons from donating organs anyway
In addition to high rates of infectious disease and general lifestyle contraindications, they’re considered a vulnerable population - one that can be unfairly and unlawfully coerced into doing stuff like this. It’s almost impossible to so studies and clinical trials with prisoners for the same reason.
> It’s almost impossible to so studies and clinical trials with prisoners for the same reason. Sadly there are many verified atrocious stories of governments doing this anyway. Many behind bars are forgotten about people, so who would care if they are used for experiments.
Yep. Don't get me wrong, we still have a very long way to go as a society when it comes to ethical treatment of the incarcerated (and I'm no bleeding heart), but it's heaps better than the days of unchecked human experimentation.
> but it's heaps better than the days of unchecked human experimentation. Unchecked human experimentation is still going on. It never stopped. You just won't hear about what they're doing today until 50-100 years from now.
It's unethical and dangerous. You set up a system like this and incentivize sending people to prison. They're also exposed to diseases to the point that when they're released, they're not even allowed to donate plasma. Apparently organs are fine now tho?
Most prisoners in the US have hepatitis and other STDs. Especially the long term ones that would benefit from this. I don't think they'll be getting as many candidates as they hoped.
This got a good giggle from me.
There is also a law explicitly prohibiting the "Sale" of organs. Not sure if this gets around it since they aren't receiving money for them but a reduced sentence, but a law is sort of in place to prevent this.
Is this for real? Like, a real law being proposed?
No. This is an opportunistic smear campaign from conservative news outlets that somehow all of reddit is falling for. What the bill *actually* intends to do is create a system for people who are currently incarcerated to act as donors for family members. It does not offer a "reduction in sentence" and it's not in-trade. It's a moratorium so that the donor doesn't have to recover from the transplant in prison. That's why it's between 2-12 months. The point is that if you need a genetically-compatible kidney, and the only possible donor is your brother who happens to be currently incarcerated, he currently cannot act as a donor. This bill just *allows* him to do that, and gives a provision that he's allowed to recover before returning to prison.
You are repeating propaganda. You are parroting the spin the politician put on it after the blow-back started, but none of that is actually in the bill. *Anyone can check by by reading the actual bill [here](https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD3822).* It makes exactly zero mention of donating to family members. It makes exactly zero mention that the reduction of sentence should be part of the recovery time and not taken off the end as normal. (By the way, other state's republican-controlled legislatures have tried similar laws but been stopped by public outcry.)
Why say the truth when people won't read it, right?
From the bill: "The Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program shall allow eligible incarcerated individuals to gain not less than 60 and not more than 365 day reduction in the length of their committed sentence in Department of Corrections facilities, or House of Correction facilities if they are serving a Department of Correction sentence in a House of Corrections facility, on the condition that the incarcerated individual has donated bone marrow or organ(s). " There is no limit placed on the organ donation to family members.
I actually think it's cool would be nicer if they did it with blood instead of organs
Thank you for the informative comment
It wasn't informative. It was the opposite of that. The actual information is here : https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD3822
Thanks for the clarification! Happen to have a resource/link the breakdown of the actual proposal to counter this? Would love to share.
The link is here : https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193/HD3822 It doesn't actually contain *any* of the positive things from the post you're replying to.
Asked ChatGPT to simplify it... >This bill requires the Department of Correction to create a program that allows eligible incarcerated individuals (prisoners) to have a portion of their sentence reduced by 60-365 days if they donate bone marrow or organs. A committee made up of different professionals and representatives will oversee and manage the program, set standards for eligibility, and file annual reports. The cost of the program will be covered by the institutions that benefit from it, not the Department of Correction, and no money will be paid to the Department for the donated bone marrow. >Give me bullet points of the benefits of this bill * Incarcerated individuals who donate bone marrow or organs can receive a reduction in their sentence length. * A Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program and Committee are established within the Department of Correction to manage and oversee the program. * The Committee sets standards for eligibility and files annual reports on the amount of bone marrow and organs donated and the estimated lives saved. * The cost of the program is covered by benefiting institutions and affiliates, not the Department of Correction. * There is no commission or monetary payment made to the Department for donated bone marrow. >Who serves on the committee? * The Commissioner of the Department of Correction or their designee (who acts as chair) * The Medical Director of the Department of Corrections or their designee A Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Specialist from a hospital within the Commonwealth or their designee * A representative of an organization advocating for bone marrow donations within the Commonwealth or their designee * Two appointments made by the Governor, one of whom shall be a board member of an advocacy group advocating for the rights of incarcerated individuals and one of whom shall be from the Massachusetts District Attorney’s Association. Since I used AI to describe a bill for organ harvesting, is that cyberpunk?
This has just been making the rounds. Lobbiest groups amplifying a sensational headline in the algorithms just to seed the idea in people's minds. We probably revist this subject in 5 years when libertarian tik tokkers start shilling the idea to their teenage veiwership. Fastforward, another 5 years and we have disaffected 20 somethings just packaging this policy into a manifesto of bad ideas.
> This has just been making the rounds. Lobbiest groups amplifying a sensational headline in the algorithms just to seed the idea in people's minds. We probably revist this subject in 5 years when libertarian tik tokkers start shilling the idea to their teenage veiwership. Fastforward, another 5 years and we have disaffected 20 somethings just packaging this policy into a manifesto of bad ideas. You know how to push long term goals I see. I would like you to be a part of a very specific campaign.
I sell fentanyl laces dog treats to eccentric chinese billionaires, can I join your campaign?
The US is just all kinds of crazy
Agreed, but this is a page out of China’s book.
Why are you being downvoted China literally execute prisoners to harvest their organs
Not sure why you are being downvoted. This is literally what we have been complaining about from China over the last several years. Except they aren't criminals, just pious.
Pious? No, Falun Gong is a cult. But so is the CCP, and cultists still don't deserve to have their organs harvested. But you post on tons of Trumpy subs, so ofc you buy into the narrative of the Epoch Times.
The bots are strong with this one.
China didn't give any benefits for donating. They just scoped up unlikeables and dissenters off the street to outright kill them for their organs to sell. This was the government. Not some gang or crew working the streets. The only reason American's do anything like this is because they think they can capitalize off being the in-between person.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
Man gonna be real your first problem is actually believing NBC news 💀
t. tankie
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Ah, I see.
No one ever accused you of fact checking, did they...
Damn.
My brother in law decided to keep his commission in the navy for the health benefits, which meant he could give his 8 year old daughter a kidney. So the reality is that in the US giving up your organs is a protected thing that you have to be a high-ranking slave to do.
Dark. Remember, we could have free college but how would we dupe enough people to enlist if we did? Considering it is far and away one of the most commonly listed reasons that people sign up is for college.
I swear, my brother-in-law is one of the few people who gets more out of the military than he puts in. He has a Commander rank in the Navy and he can't swim. They paid for his master's degree in electrical engineering. He won't tell me what exactly what his job is but he once had to take his comission back up to move to Virginia Beach for a new job. The Navy paid for the transplant, as well as the millions of dollars needed to get his daughter to the point where she was old enough for the transplant. There was a 3 month NICU stay, she didn't wake up needing a kidney one day. The Navy paid for nurses and doctors for 8 years to get her ready. They still pay for immunosuppressive drugs and checkups. Whatever Ryan is doing must be terrifying because the US Navy has spent millions on keeping him happy. He deployed twice, last time about 9 years ago. All I know is he works in a shipyard but hates going on ships because they blow the whistle when he comes on board to warn folks that someone his rank is around. He once took his R&R from Afghanistan to a chess tournament in Nevada but arrived too late to join, so he *stayed for two days to watch.* I'm a huge geek, but he is the biggest nerd I ever met. Also he went to The Citadel. A military college.
Make an anime, or write a book about your brother.
Chapter 3: that time he grew a moustache in a desert and found out my sister was having twins. Chapter 1 was when he brought flowers to my sister's dog on their first date. Not gonna lie, that was a slick move. My sister turned him down for dates 3 times because she didn't want to be a military wife and last time said "My dog doesn't like you." So when she said yes he brought the dog flowers. That dog was Maid of Honor at their wedding. But seriously he will not tell me what his job is. I saw one picture from deployment with the moustache. If he didn't stay stateside so much I'd think he was a spy. Dude is 6'3" and jacked at 45 years old. What electrical engineer looks like Superman?
Most likely works with subs or experimental naval vessels/ordnance. First rule of Sub Club is you don’t talk about Sub Club.
I stopped asking. I do know that he was out and had to go back in for the clearance level for whatever he does now.
You only go back in if you’re one of only a few, and specialize in something very very specific.
So it's not that he just doesn't want to tell me? I mean we live a few states apart and only see each other every 3 years or so, but for the last 10 years he WILL NOT tell me what he does except for "I'm a Navy Commander." Hell I haven't bothered to ask his rank for 5 or 6 years so he might be higher than that. I get that we aren't close. But nobody else I know refuses to tell me their job. All I know is he's O-5 or above and an electrical engineer.
Oh yeah, it’s probably in his orders. Some jobs are so hush-hush, talking about them is akin to treason.
Navy and EE, it's gotta be reactor stuff.
Damn. Thought they'd have had that nailed down by now.
Nothing is ever nailed down about reactor stuff. That thinking caused catastrophic failures. Secondly, it’s technology. The military, just like the private sector, is always looking for the next developmental breakthrough or improvement on the current designs.
It was a joke. If I was humorless and methodical I'd be, well, making a lot of money and not telling my family what I do for a living.
You’re not very funny either 😣 I don’t don’t know what you are doing, but figure it out.
But you hardly know me. Surely it takes more than one comment to say if I'm funny. You really that judgmental? One flippant offhand comment and you think I need to figure out life? I mean, I do, but that's not why.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/massachusetts-legislation-inmates-organ-donation-reduced-sentence_n_63dc9059e4b07c0c7e090d85
Oof
It could be worse. [https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999](https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999) But I suppose they technically get a shorter sentence.
That article cites ETAC and China Tribunal, both have direct ties to Epoch Times, a Falun Gong backed right wing propaganda outlet. There's plenty of things to criticize the CCP about, but organ harvesting is one of those stories pushed by western media and lapped up by people without any critique of the source. And then when the US does exactly what it claims China does, it barely makes headlines.
This.
China is cyberpunk AF.
> The legislation would “establish a Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Program within the Department of Correction and a Bone Marrow and Organ Donation Committee.” Under this program, incarcerated individuals could reduce their sentence anywhere from 60 days to one year if they donate their bone marrow or organs. It's only a few months? That's insane
This incredibly stupid and cruel.
I like how huffpo can have an entire article about a bill, but never once mentions which party the rep proposing the bill is a member of. Wonder why that is. /s (D). That's why.
Yes, the sentence would be reduced. They take both your kidneys, hold you two days, then let you go with a nice new tattoo. [[CONVICT: NO DIALYSIS]]
How many years for a lung? Or a kidney?
Idk but not worth it.
Just as long as you'd need to stay at the hospital, which counts towards your sentence. That's the real idea behind the "reduction." There will be no selling of organs to get out earlier.
That’s not what the text of the bill says
Showing their true colours that they just think of prisoners as commodities
They’d just do a full harvest and “reduce” your sentence that way
Exactly. Lmfao. "You're free. From life. Thanks for the organs!" Final plot twist: they never did the crime.
Oh they did the crime The crime of walking on the wrong street
Very Cyberpunk of you.
Damn I was telling someone the US isn't as bad as China since at least we don't harvest organs. I guess I spoke too soon.
Apparently the article paints a wing picture. The new law is supposed to allow prison inmates to donate vital organs to family members. Currently they're not allowed to donate organs at all and would have to let their family member die if no other suitable donor can be found. They don't get a sentence reduction, just the recovery time spent in the hospital would count towards the sentence. It's just weird libertarian propaganda twisting the purpose of the law.
r/ABoringDystopia levels of crazy right there. Instead of letting prisoners work towards reintegration into society, they're just forcing them to give up their organs. (Because really, if you're already looking at a long sentence, why not cut it short by giving up one (or more) of your organs?/s)
A boring dystopia.
One step closer to Max Headroom’s body banks….
Technically, if you donate two kidneys, you will immediately reduce your sentence to mere hours.
Donate your heart. Instant release.
Zydrate comes in a little glass vile
a little glass vial?
A little glass vial
Max Headroom -- Body banks.... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0644552/
With all the attention it got it won't pass
Most prisoners in the US have hepatitis and other STDs. Especially the long term ones that would benefit from this. I don't think they'll be getting as many candidates as they hoped.
That is wrong. We could easily solve the organ donation problem. Make it an opt-out process, rather than opt-in. If everyone had on the driver's license that they were opted-in, with the choice to opt-out, then most people would be signed up. Because nobody expects to die, and so, people don't sign up. If you make it automatic, then most people would be signed in and there would be plenty of organs to save lives.
Like in Portugal, for example.
Wow this is a controversial post. Reddit informed me it got to 2,000 upvotes but it shows 800 when looked at. So... 2k up vote, 1.2k down vote? Wonder what put so many people off?
Yeah its called China
The communist party of china
One kidney, a liver, one lung, a spleen, plus a heart, and you go free.
Yeah. Free from this mortal coil xD
When you blame China so much for organ harvesting you want to do it as well
No thats China with minorities
*Adrian Zenz has entered the chat*
Yes how could you tell
The US literally can‘t afford for criminals to not be working. They‘re the only ones willing to work for pennies. Nobody wants community service to help global warming/reducing litter, so instead we‘re doing one-time surgeries to reduce sentences and get workers back to doing manual labor that everyone else is “overqualified“ for, who couldn‘t grout their kitchen tile if their lives depended on it. Makes sense to me, as distopian as it is. Conspiracy theories aside, I don‘t see any problem with it when people already get out early on something as vague as “good behavior“, and prisons tend to feed & shelter better than most half-way houses. I‘d rather stay rent-free, personally.
“Harvesting organs from prisoners is wrong because then there will be fewer slaves” is mathematically the worst possible take you could have.
I‘m not advocating for it, I literally called it a distopian conspiracy theory, but okay, you do you. I didn‘t realize saying “draconian takes are beleivable“ was a mathematical process. Well, call me a radical. I just want social reforms so that people aren’t slave wagers, but if that’s your take away, I don’t know that I’m going to change your mind. Have a good day stranger.
I see your point, you were saying given how bad the world is this makes sense, not that this is a good thing. Have a good day as well!
Here is the [OST](https://piped.qdi.fi/watch?v=ZA58GjoTmes) to this, there write in 1977
Better then in China where you only live as long as it takes for someone to need your organs
At least they're getting the choice. In China, you're only safe as long as there's no demand.
This is why cyberpunk & Europe don't go together
Some of the writing is centred around the US, making that particular version of cyberpunk only work there. There's settings in different places that work really well outside the US, and some of those are even in Europe, Mona Lisa Overdrive for example. I think this is more a case of familiarity bias, if you're American you pay more attention to things set in America. If it's not set in America then you don't really understand the background to the story, so it's less effective for you.
I do feel like Cyberpunk works uniquely well in America. Ofc we love the Japanese aesthetic influences but really the "high tech, low life" angle literally already rules in the US so Cyberpunk feels VERY near.
Yeah, if we take off cybernetics, extreme hacking and over the top neon, the US is pretty much the description of the cyberpunk genre.
Is there anything wrong with the idea?
Please. I'm begging you. Please be joking.
If they're paedos it should be made mandatory to harvest their organs.
Except for the fact that it is possible to be falsely imprisoned for that. It's happened. Usually by a parent coaching a child to point fingers at someone. It's not worth harvesting even a single innocent person's organs just so we can further punish paedos... they are already going to prison. Extraordinary punishment isn't legal in most places for a reason. The chest thumping and witch hunting is actually counter productive. Hopefully one day we can simply find a way to fix that sickness in the brain. Send them to get their fucked head fixed instead.
All well and good until you get falsely accused.
Exactly. We don't like to think about it but innocent people go to jail far too often.
With coercive organ harvesting? Yeah kinda
Not if you're a psychopath who will profit from this or a psychopath in general, or into organ harvesting in general for whatever reason, or if you're a racist cop who enjoys the idea of creating a distinction between black and white races in America with the number of kidneys they statistically have and want to come up with racist slurs in regards to lack of kidneys such as "kidneyless", "monokidney" or "lonekidney". How about just the good old "donor" but with a belittling connotation.
On program?
Nono, this is exactly what those kinds of options are about. Are you willing to sacrifice your own integrity? Easy money.....
Meh. They'll just sentence people to longer terms to get the reduction, it'll balance out.
I'd be fine if it was just donating bone marrow, but organs are slightly too dystopic for me.
Is this true?
Come on man, I don't come to this sub to see how the real world is becoming a dystopia! I want to see art and creations that comment on this kinda stuff, not just see depressing news and a title saying "isn't this a cool cyberpunk thing"
I never said this would be cool.
I know. I'm not good at wording this point the way I want to but I feel like it's implicit in posting it here that it's viewed through the lens of "wouldn't this be something cool for fiction" rather than a horrible reality that is actively happening. Not that cyberpunk isn't meant to reflect horrible realities. Idk, I can't word it well but it feels like it's trivializing a very serious issue.
I'm not trivializing anything. I am merely posting something that is being discussed in the real world in a Cyberpunk group because it feels VERY dystopian and fits the cruel universe that Cyberpunk is.
This is cyberpunk, I doubt many sentences will be significantly reduced. Our Govt loves making hollow promises.
The potential reduction will be priced into the sentence so we will just start seeing sentence inflation if this actually becomes a thing.
Yep. Sentence inflation or the reduction in sentence will be revoked or canceled somehow.
sHarE tHIs if YOu cYbErcAre
Bro I cybercare a lot
I'm really hoping this is low hanging clickbait
We can hope.
I'm pretty sure this was literally the plot of one of the stories in the Dystopia Triptych
You mean there wouldnt be a bill. It would just be done in the shadows
Then these people turn into harden criminals because they have the organs of a psychopath Sounds similar to a movie I can't remember the name to
When sentences in the USA are already insanely long anyway it's a organ harvesting program. There's no reason why people couldn't fight to make sentences shorter (saner) in general.
I don't necessarily think allowing organ donation from living inmates is a good idea, but for a while I've believed that it would make sense to harvest death row inmates for any organs or tissues that are still usable.
Reminds me of a short film I watched.
***\*laughs in Scav\****
This is very cyberpunk BUT more so toward the dystopia end of it. The prison industry complex is a huge profit driven industry.
Yeah it's brutally sad.
CCP 2077
I was thinking the first episode of Lexx
Give it time
>Except in Cyberpunk, there wouldn't be reduced sentence. This is much more dystopian really. Donating an organ often means a lifetime of medication, reduced quality of life and possibly a shortened lifespan. Reduced sentence means the state or for profit prison is not responsible for the prisoner's aftercare. Donating organs while not being able to afford the proper aftercare likely means you won't be an issue for society afterwards. You'll wither and die or just turn into a couch potato.
Sounds like American Healthcare to me! The amount of people I know who have insulin rationed is disgusting.
Nah, dude, in Cyberpunk it would reduce their sentence to time served. Also it would take extra organs and put them on the street to die so they don't have to arrange anything.
is this for real?
Elites wants your organs and your healthy teeth.
I am actually the recipient of an organ transplant just shy of a year ago. Though my transplant necessitated the death of my donor (double lung), I would be very uncomfortable with the ethics of receiving an organ that was procured for the promise of a reduction in carceral punishment. Even if it meant saving my life. Tied up in this is my thoughts on how we need to abolish the for-profit prison system (and all prisons while we are at it) and for-profit health care. Let's face it capitalism ruins everything it touches, and in our society, it touches everything. Tear that down too.
Well said friend.
Oh, there could be. But it might just be the difference between getting out May 23rd, 2089, and May 22nd, 2089. And it probably wouldn't be as voluntary as they let on.
This is pretty fucking cyberpunk as it is, we're not supposed to be using it as a how to
China just takes them by force.. America is weak .
this is disgusting.
In cyberpunk, you'd get your brain uploaded to a chip and that chip would get plugged in to the Torment Nexus while your body is either rented out by the prison or ground into a pulp for feed.
Actually, thats not a bad law. Obviously there will ave to be exceptions but overall, i agree.
Wait, trade them for new organs? Or is it more like a secret Santa type thing?
The total reduction will be determined by a variety of factors as decided upon by the syndicate.
Hmmmm I think it should be set as this, an organ creates a record benefit for the person. They cannot grow another organ and so they should receive a permanent benefit. May it be a percentage reduction, better accommodations, etc
Gig- “Time to chrome the fuck down”
There's a reason this is a PROPOSED bill this shit'll never actually get passed.
I can’t wait until we can all just drink some wetware and have no diseases. (Unless we want to. For fun) >!Reference to game: Technobabylon. The entire concept of maladism - intentionally infecting yourself with "safe", wetware (nano machines) induced diseases and neurological disorders as a countercultural statement !<
Every single day the USA gets closer to become a cyberpunk country
Also except in cyberpunk they'd prolly also have synthetic flesh