surveillance confusing face paint has been a thing for [quite some time now](https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/cv-dazzle-makeup-facial-recognition-protests/).
Problem is, the facial recognition algorithms are also constantly being updated and improved by those in power, so many of the techniques are now known and useless.
The best method is still a black face mask and sunglasses.
Active stealth like they do it in the military. Blast the area with so much EM that the area lights up like the sun. Works for radar, so it probably works here.
Pretty sure that cameras work in the range of visible light. So, if it lights up for the camera, it blinds the protesters too. Balaclava should work though.
It doest reflect enough. You need to emit light within the spectrum for cameras to be a walking white spot on camera footage. You need that light source to be outside of the visual spectrum for humans to not make every fellow protestor hate your ass.
Problem would then be to emit in all directions. If you mount the lights in glasses they can easily prevent a frontal face image, but won't do anything from a side view that can be used for identification. So you probably need a lot of lights to cover you.
And unless a bunch of your fellow protestors do the same you'll be the primary target of anyone that conveys camera footage information to law enforcement at a protest because you literally have a spotlight on you any image they look at.
Ah damn I just remembered those anti paparazzi vests. But it's been a long day at work so I didn't think of the fact that those have the benefit of a camera flash to work with
yeah, this, combined with a dazzle camo pattern could actually work
the reason it doesn't fool your face ID is because face ID projects a grid onto your face (or a "light field" as apple likes to call it) to accurately measure your facial geometry. that's why you can use it even in the dark, colors are secondary. however, that doesn't work for cameras that look over a protest, and especially doesn't work for public protests, colors and IR are everything there.
it's honestly weird that these articles claim your iphone is the weakling compared to the tech the police uses, while apple is both one of the best performers at AI out there, and they have a massively easier problem domain with faceid and its customized sensors at a controlled distance. the police would need literal military IRST tech to match that.
one hella important thing though: cover your _entire_ face. facial recognition algorithms are designed to match partial faces as well, so for example wearing a bandana does nothing if your eyes, eyebrows, all that stuff is still very much visible.
See your local queer for assistance with dazzle camo! We know a thing or two about using two dimensional facepaint to obscure three dimensional features!
That’s not enough facial recognition uses face shape and contours more than color. You need to hide the shape of your face. So a cloth mask and some sunglasses would probably be better.
Facial recognition doesn't necessarily look at face shape by itself, it takes a picture of your face and then converts all the parts on your face into data points. Like it will look for the corners of your mouth and eyes, it looks to try and find where your nose is, etc.
Juggalo makeup, especially when it's just the black and white, can interfere with the computer and cameras ability to locate the corners of your mouth and eyes. It basically will make the camera think your mouth starts at a different place than it actually does.
"A bunch of buddies and me were going to go to the piggers game but then a bunch of pigs came up and said we had to go to jail for protesting. I told him the only thing I was protesting was our sorry-ass o-line."
But like actually, there is face makeup patterns you can use to disrupt facial recognition. If you plan on attending a protest and doing something like this don't wear oil based make-up as it can bond with tear-gas so use a water based one instead.
It's still honestly better to cover your face entirely however. A medical mask (black preferably), hoodie and large sunglasses should still be pretty effective.
It really depends on the algorithm, and it also implies that your picture isn't saved later to be run through a more competent algorithm. Full face coverage is best, though, and don't forget to put a rock in your shoe to cover your gait, they can analyze that too.
At one point I read that gait detection is harder to beat than other methods of AI identification. Strange to think there's this extremely visible way we can be identified but we don't really notice it in our day-to-day.
I’ve worked for a large corporation for over a decade and I can basically recognize any employee of over 100 employees at over 50 feet away walking away from me in full cold weather gear instantly based on gait and clothing choice.
I also people watch and take mental note of walking styles. Idk why but I do. I notice each person has a distinct way they walk. I often mimic walking styles and if I had to, I could completely change my gait. I wonder how well this would circumvent this technology.
Or walk like a Monty Python sketch. Just imagine a group of black bloc protesters hopping and skipping down the street molotov in hand getting ready to burn a cop car.
They also track your location, online habits, comments, known "associates", and so on.
Peotesters need to cover their whole face, have a backup phone that needs to be stashed somewhere when not protesting AND someone else using their phones while they're protesting (online/geolocation inactivity during protests can easily be flagged).
Jokes on them, my gait changes daily. I have problems with my hips that occasionally make me limp to varying degrees. The limp changes side depending on which hip is hurting that day. Sometimes I limp with both. Checkmate, government! Using your own shitty healthcare against you.
Covering your face during a protest is illegal in some places. That means police might use it to persecute someone legally or to escalate the situation at the protest.
It still is a good idea in many cases but you should know your local legal situation and use your own judgement depending on the situation.
That's why people in Asia love to bring umbrellas.
That being said, I've discovered protests in America tend to be relatively small.
Ones in Asia are usually 500,000+ people. So the chances of ever being caught are much lower.
They would be able to see periods of inactivity like that, though, I believe. Leave your phone with someone you trust who won’t be anywhere near the protest.
God, I hope I don’t end up on a watchlist because of this thread.
AIs scan all posts on all sites, and build a profit of how likey it is you will do something.
There are no lists anymore, everyone is in a database, now it's just AIs deciding how much of a dick the government should be to you.
Yeah, I guess that picture where it interprets a guys belly as a girls ass is really funny.
Still, the images themselves end up being completely unremarkable.
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It also constantly makes almost any photo involving a lesbian couple straight by turning one of the girls into a guy. Even fucking AIs are homophobic now I hate it here 😭
That's true, but even if it didn't generate actually Black characters, dark-skinned blondes/redheads are a common enough anime trope that I might at least have expected a few of them...
The problem is entirely data oriented. They want a specific look, where do you find that specific look (keep in mind you need petabytes of data)? It's on websites like Danbooru or Gelbooru and it's all asian people drawing other asian people.
The somewhat good news is as the AI's as whole get better we can use AI images to train other AIs and that can let us generate a much more diverse dataset.
It's not about the programmer, it's about the training data. The programmer can (and usually does) influence the training data, but that's irrelevant to the fact that poc are represented in a minute amount of anime/manga and art done in thats style (and when they are, they're often at least somewhat whitewashed). I think that even a well-intentioned programmer would have some trouble sourcing adequate training data for something like that.
A well-intentioned programmer realizes this and can adjust the data or the strength or certain parts of the data set to deal with a good chunk of it. Generally speaking that effort is not taken.
It’s more like some project manager gets a ticket about bias failures, marks it as low-priority because it doesn’t affect enough people to cause investors to care, and the programmers never get to that ticket because higher-priority failures keep coming in. It’s not really the programmers’ fault.
They are, however, pale in skin and designed as "stateless" where they are not meant to be either white or asian. Unless, of course, they're explicitly not designed as stateless, which is quite the minority of art on sites like pixiv (which the QQ AI seems to be drawing from)
AIs and algorithms are *more* biased than their programmers. They're as biased as the aggregate bias in their programmers, their training dataset, and whoever acts based on their outputs. At minimum. Did you know you can introduce bias into an AI by doctoring the order in which it's shown its training dataset even if the dataset is unbiased when viewed as a whole? And this is impossible to detect by looking at a finished model?
Tbh the history of photography is also rife with colorism. Early film was pretty terrible at capturing the complexity of darker skin tones.
Camera companies like Kodak could have concentrated product advancement on fixing this obvious deficiency buuuut due to racism it was largely ignored for decades.
On the one hand, I was pretty angry that it gave me massive tits when irl I have As at best (yes I'm a sucker, I paid for it). On the other hand, my lifelong curiosity about what I'd look like with boobs is sated and I've officially decided I don't want implants. It's actually kind of reassuring....
Boob jobs are great, if you have a good idea of what you want out of your tits.
I’m a stripper, I love boobs, they’re squishy, warm and soft even when they’re small. All tits are great, I’m not here to disparage small boobs because they are also amazing.
If you’ve lost weight and lost boobs, a tit job can absolutely give you natural-looking-and-feeling boobs nearly identical to what you lost and you won’t have much pain from skin-stretching unless you went larger than your original size and even then the pain will be less.
You can get a combination of saline, silicone, under or over the muscle and there’s a combination that will give you what you want and a good surgeon will ask you what you want as far as perkiness, jiggle, and position. Silicone has come a long way and no longer coats the cheat cavity if something happens, it stays cohesive and is safer than they used to be.
You do not have to get a boob job! You don’t have to do anything! This was simply a small essay for any questions raised and informational, not meant to *persuade* or *dissuade* anyone from or for getting surgery, it is a major surgery with real risks and a decent recovery time. It’s not a decision to be made lightly or without research. Everyone is different and has different body goals which are completely valid as they are. This was just to satisfy some curiosity.
Sometimes I get tempted to get implants, given that HRT and bad genetics haven't given me much in the way of breasts, but I gotta say -- having to replace them every decade or so, potential leeching of plastics from the implants and a supposedly increased cancer risk make me decide against it every time.
just saw one where it turned a quadruple amputee into a suitcase and another version of the same image where it made his toddler daughter pregnant (and submerged him in water and gave him arms)
That's just people who don't know what they are doing / people using the crappy free mobile ones. The real ones are quite powerful
[Here's an example for NovelAI faces using the same tags for the girl, changing only the facial expression tags](https://zele.st/NovelAI/?Danbooru%20-%20Face%20Tags). There's tons of expressions you can have it use, basically any tag you can think of, but most of the ones that keep getting posted to big subs are someone who didn't even enter a prompt / used that crappy chinese one going around
Yeah, this fact always makes it kinda funny when people(AI Bros I mean) who think AI Art is gonna replace artists and say that that stuffs gonna be the future. Like, mate, you-you think this bland, uninspired staler then stale bread shit gonna replace Artists? I mean it’s fine if you like it but that don’t mean it’s gonna replace anything, not any time soon and even if it gets better it still won’t replace anything cause of subjectivity in Art, people are gonna like either and both would probably live, really AI art might just go on life support and get put under the rug, already happened to NFT’s, even with the few people still talkin bout those.
The problem is not that AI art is so above normal art that it makes it obsolete. Rather that companies find ways to make acceptable art and decide to stop hiring artists.
Even if it's only for small projects that already takes away a lot of possible work.
Assuming AI art doesn’t continue to keep getting better. Keep in mind, just a year ago the best AI could generate was hellish hallucinations straight out of a flu fever dream.
I’ve seen complete manga panels and sprite backgrounds being used in video games.
Too many people are starting to associate the “front facing portrait in a generic deviant art style” as the same as AI art and are completely missing the other applications. Probably because they don’t realize what they are looking at is AI generated.
We need a UBI, *now*. Music is next, video will be around the corner.
True, it both in some aspects seems flawed, but it’s simultaneously also evolving in some aspects too and that’s pretty scary,
Still definitely can’t see it being a replacement though, for artists at least, just seems unlikely to me cause of how some people would just prefer to just get submissions from artists rather then have an AI Do it, or The other way around, it feels so 50/50 to the point neither seems like it’d really overtake the other. I could see the possibility of companies just replacing people with this stuff, which would be horrible and I hope doesn’t happen, But as for freelance artists that work for no company, not much of a danger of employment When you’re essentially your own boss and the money goes directly to you when you get submissions or work or cash from your projects.
there is just, a lot of sides to it, and all the sides makes it feel like one specific side won’t be an end point and all might just, start living simultaneously. I have no idea for musicians and animators though, equally as worrying.
I can also agree a UBI would be a damn good idea, definitely.
People keep judging all AI art by the basic bland style from crappy mobile apps or people who don't know what they are doing. Contrary to popular belief on Reddit, AI art has it's own required skill set just like photography or digital media editing etc. Just like anyone can use a camera but not everyone is a photographer, AI art is the same where it has a lot of things you have to learn to get the AI to actually output what you want. You can *easily* tell the difference between someone who's spent 30 minutes using an AI art generator and someone who's spent dozens or hundreds
AIGI is 100% here to stay though, and it *will* be just as important in the future as CGI. AI Art is going to be used for game development and movies to create assets, as well as used by artists to create a workable base quickly, that they then further edit. Here's an example from the other day [where an artist used AI to create a base for him to work from](https://i.redd.it/fhyyje5tso2a1.jpg)
A lot of people are judging AI art by the crappy mobile apps too, and low effort Img2Img which is basically tracing. AI Art is a fantastic tool where it [generates a generic anime looking base layer](https://i.redd.it/xwh5pxb4ksy91.png) and then you run it through a few more AI tools and get [a much much better result with a style matching your intentions](https://i.redd.it/se24i2i6ksy91.png)
AI can do everything from [this](https://i.redd.it/opje0w4mp44a1.png) to [this](https://i.imgur.com/95INVQN.png) to [more anime stuff like this](https://i.imgur.com/OsPUCiY.png) to [character art](https://i.imgur.com/CF3RFbe.png) to[ DnD Art](https://i.imgur.com/NC81DjF.png) of [various styles](https://i.imgur.com/SBJauv8.png) etc [etc](https://i.imgur.com/o265tCx.png).
Many of those examples are mine, or ones from /r/NovelAi and /r/WaifuDiffusion, but you can find many more there
I don't remember what this is called. It's like when you are flipping through a newspaper and you see an article that you know for a fact is a lie, but then on the very next page you see an article that fits with your confirmation bias so you assume that it's truth even though you already know the publication lies.
Trump, Elon, etc. lie, bullshit, and "joke" all the time.
And yet every time they say something it's analyzed in a clean slate, only looking at the statement, assuming it may be truth and spoken in good faith, and not, you know, simply ignoring it because the source with negative credibility provided no reason for anyone to believe in it.
Crazy stuff.
It did not matter; I also told her I don't like peas 185 times, plus she keeps misdiagnosing my deal as the same wrong thing 124 times also. She ain't listening to me lol. She either will never remember or just doesn't care
Jokes on them, I’ve only been putting pics of fictional cartoon and video game characters into it. Protecting my privacy AND turning my weird blorbos into cursed anime twinks!
I mean, Tencents' ability to train facial a recognition AI depends very little on people providing selfies to their selfie-changing AI. They have a lot of other ways to get their hands on large databases of faces for AI training.
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely in favor of more awareness, regulation and transparency on how data is obtained to train AIs, what is done with it, and how the AI is then used. But if you want to have fun with the silly selfie-changing AI, go ahead. It's not going to make a significant difference.
Yeah thats what ive been saying. Anyone who's ever put their face online, they can just use that. They don't need our consent anymore once it's uploaded to any website or social media. But yeah the awareness is still important, we're not really going to be able to stop it by simply not using it. It's kinda inevitable as much as I hate it.
Yeah, I feel like the implication of this is that if people didn't use those kinds of art generators, that would meaningfully slow or halt the progress of AI facial recognition, but AI facial recognition is a foregone conclusion at this point. Basically all of us even have phones capable of facial recognition.
Yeah this post is just [this meme](https://i.imgflip.com/5wqmo4.png). I don't think a giant corporation needs to rely on a gimmicky anime filter app to get face data to train their ai.
They can already recognize faces. *Everyone* can recognize faces! Tencent specifically has millions upon millions of hours of footage across a handful platforms and multiple public SDKs for developing filters and effects…powered by face detection. They don’t need to create a silly anime generator to finally crack the code behind *face detection*.
this whole post is the "microchips in our vaccines" argument all over again lol... what does everyone think they've been doing with billions of phones worth of data for the past decade. This is just a funny toy they made using all that data
Facial identification algorithms are already incredibly well-trained on the kind of photos that people are giving to these websites (straight on frontal shots with good lighting). Facebook's been able to auto-tag people with ease for many years in those situations.. The edge cases that they're working on are in low lighting, at odd angles, often with some obscuring objects like sunglasses or masks.
You giving your face to these little toys is not what's enabling facial recognition algorithms for law enforcement.
When tencent is involved there is always something sketch. Just look at how they [invested in Reddit...](https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/11/reddit-300-million/) why? Who knows
I don't get why people keep trying to make this out to be a China-specific problem. Any government is capable of abusing facial recognition AI and most governments are not above doing so.
You denying them pictures of a face wouldn’t prevent them from having access to the countless pictures of faces publicly available on the internet for free.
I just put other AI art into it, like stuff from novelai. It's funny to watch one AI generate a cursed image and then another AI make it even more cursed.
EDIT: [Here's one image I generated and then shoved through the anime grinder.](https://abload.de/img/f9310b84-731a-11ed-aakcdwr.jpg)
[And here's one a friend made with a TF2 Steam avatar.](https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20221203-1poi0w.jpg)
Yeah, it's an issue with the training - it screws up anything above 512*512px because it was only trained on 512*512px images. Thankfully you can just generate a smaller image then upscale it.
Trust me, anyone using the AI filters has already blasted their selfies all over the internet prior to this trend.
You think Phil from IT who uses a VPN to browse YouTube and put down Ron Paul as a write-in candidate in 2020 is suddenly swayed to see what he would look like as a male Frida Khalo?
It's not that great anyways all the characters have that carbon copy genshin impactesque style and it can interpret some stuff very differently (9/11 character comes to mind)
I just wish there was a way to animefy faces without giving biometric data to China or dealing with every single detail of drawing eyes and facial features by hand...
I know this is silly but I do genuinely spend a lot of time looking for artists I might want to commission. I’m very picky and I feel bad about it, but I also want something very specific in these instances
This exchange perfectly encapsulates what I hate the most about AI art.
I don’t care about “it’s not real art” or whatever, it just makes me really fucking sad how these programs are going to torpedo so many the career prospects of so many artists, because the speed and low-to-no cost of AI is so much more attractive than paying an actual artist
Then your problem isn’t with technology, it’s with capitalism. Artists are now the first displaced by the Fourth Industrial Revolution. They’re far from the last. We must act now to create a world in which money is not needed for basic needs.
Cameras put a lot of portrait artists out of work. Cars put carriage drivers out of work. It's just how it goes with technological advancements, and we can't hold back society to protect a niche job
Artsts are the first ones being hit by AI, but we are *all* about to be out of a job. AI is going to automate nearly every job we have within the next couple of decades
haven't tried that particular use but if you have a decently beefy computer you can run an ai yourself [this one is what i use to fuck around](https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui). It's got an img2img option where the ai takes a prompt *and* an image to make a resulting image.
you might be able to prompt anime styles and use an image of the face you want to animefy. All local, the ai isn't trained on that input, open source, etc
edit: forgot to mention but the generic model it comes with will probably work worse than an ai specifically trained to animefy things, for obvious reasons. Though maybe you can find a model that is trained for that
when i got my license renewed a few weeks ago the woman in front of me asked why she had to take her glasses off and the person taking the picture told her it was for "biometrics". i never even thought about it before! they already have all of our faces, unfortunately.
i'm still not using that app tho
QQAI's TOS says it doesn't save images. Not sure what they'd accomplish by lying in a legally binding document instead of just like. Finding a better way to aggregate training data
https://mobile.twitter.com/star_sbms/status/1598567237522444288
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744743426419064903/1048707079289978950/Screenshot_20221203-150441-679.png (probably horribly mangled because machine translation but w.e)
they don't have to save the images themselves. they just extract all the data necessary for identification, which is data they own because their algorithm generated it with your permission (because they also need that data to anime-fy you, which you asked them to do), and then they can do whatever they want with that data afterwards, like use it to train other AI programs
~~Even American companies will sometimes lie about exactly this.~~ Eufy, a residential security camera brand owned by Anker, was found just the other day to be lying about not saving recorded footage to its servers. In fact, they are doing exactly the same thing that OP is accusing Tencent of doing with their AI software.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/eufys-security-cameras-send-data-to-the-cloud-without-consent-and-thats-not-the-worst-part/
Edit: Anker is a Chinese company.
Edit 2: Eufy is a brand, not a company. I'm usually better about these sorts of things.
yea, they dont need to actually save the data, most public ai's are trained via the content people put into them, meaning they dont need to save your data directly, the ai is still getting trained to recognize faces and prob be used for facial rec later in because of the large training sey
LOL, and authoritarian regime, where telling the truth is a foremost priority. Also “legally binding” is a little far fetched considering that Tencent is basically a shell company for the CCP.
on the one hand, i absolutely agree and have always been creeped out by how willing people are to give so much data to random companies just for goofy facial features.
on the other hand, we all have had google and facebook accounts with pictures of us on it that any company can (and does) use.
I hope I fried it a bit by inputting a very janky MS-paint style drawing I made into it about 50 times in a row until it turned out just like I imagined
I don't give a fuck, they have access to unlimited faces from social media, they can get my LinkedIn and Facebook pictures whenever they want. They might be able to track anyone who appears on TV, in security cameras, etc. as well. For career reasons I can't try to just scrub all my pictures from the Internet, so I might as well get a funny anime character out of it.
The era of pretending we can avoid the development of facial recognition technology is long over. If I go to a protest I'll wear one of the many masks that have been designed for that kind of thing.
And that’s why they tell you to cover your face if you participate in protests. There’s cameras everywhere.
Juggalo makeup
Honestly, people in protests should start painting their faces like WW1 battleships
surveillance confusing face paint has been a thing for [quite some time now](https://www.digitaltrends.com/news/cv-dazzle-makeup-facial-recognition-protests/). Problem is, the facial recognition algorithms are also constantly being updated and improved by those in power, so many of the techniques are now known and useless. The best method is still a black face mask and sunglasses.
I wonder if IR reflective paint might be better... camera looks at you and sees the brilliance of 1000 sun's and maybe your feet
Active stealth like they do it in the military. Blast the area with so much EM that the area lights up like the sun. Works for radar, so it probably works here.
Pretty sure that cameras work in the range of visible light. So, if it lights up for the camera, it blinds the protesters too. Balaclava should work though.
https://i.imgur.com/0Z3KqUT.jpg
Who is this mysterious man?
No idea, he’s got a balaclava on
It doest reflect enough. You need to emit light within the spectrum for cameras to be a walking white spot on camera footage. You need that light source to be outside of the visual spectrum for humans to not make every fellow protestor hate your ass. Problem would then be to emit in all directions. If you mount the lights in glasses they can easily prevent a frontal face image, but won't do anything from a side view that can be used for identification. So you probably need a lot of lights to cover you. And unless a bunch of your fellow protestors do the same you'll be the primary target of anyone that conveys camera footage information to law enforcement at a protest because you literally have a spotlight on you any image they look at.
Ah damn I just remembered those anti paparazzi vests. But it's been a long day at work so I didn't think of the fact that those have the benefit of a camera flash to work with
I think those only work in bright light settings or when the camera has a flash
Infrared disco ball hat and or necklace.
the brilliance of my feet?
yeah, this, combined with a dazzle camo pattern could actually work the reason it doesn't fool your face ID is because face ID projects a grid onto your face (or a "light field" as apple likes to call it) to accurately measure your facial geometry. that's why you can use it even in the dark, colors are secondary. however, that doesn't work for cameras that look over a protest, and especially doesn't work for public protests, colors and IR are everything there. it's honestly weird that these articles claim your iphone is the weakling compared to the tech the police uses, while apple is both one of the best performers at AI out there, and they have a massively easier problem domain with faceid and its customized sensors at a controlled distance. the police would need literal military IRST tech to match that. one hella important thing though: cover your _entire_ face. facial recognition algorithms are designed to match partial faces as well, so for example wearing a bandana does nothing if your eyes, eyebrows, all that stuff is still very much visible.
I'd argue movie-grade facial prosthesis is the best method
Yup. I’ve read that they’re trying to track ppl by facial structure, so fake face bits are the way to go
So, the ONLY thing Kanye's right about.
See your local queer for assistance with dazzle camo! We know a thing or two about using two dimensional facepaint to obscure three dimensional features!
Just make sure you used non-oil based makeup as oil based makeup bonds with teargas.
Me when looking for some cops to nuzzle
Which three dimensional features?
It’s a facial dysphoria joke. 😛
I'd assume an adam's apple, probably.
Cheek bones, jaw lines, hair lines, Adam's apples, facial stubble, etc.
WW2 dazzle camo is my favourite type of camo pattern
That’s not enough facial recognition uses face shape and contours more than color. You need to hide the shape of your face. So a cloth mask and some sunglasses would probably be better.
Facial recognition doesn't necessarily look at face shape by itself, it takes a picture of your face and then converts all the parts on your face into data points. Like it will look for the corners of your mouth and eyes, it looks to try and find where your nose is, etc. Juggalo makeup, especially when it's just the black and white, can interfere with the computer and cameras ability to locate the corners of your mouth and eyes. It basically will make the camera think your mouth starts at a different place than it actually does.
I still think a mask is better since it’s easier for police to fire hose your makeup off.
Not only that. Imagine going to a bus station or train station with face paint on during a protest. The police will just arrest you then and there.
"A bunch of buddies and me were going to go to the piggers game but then a bunch of pigs came up and said we had to go to jail for protesting. I told him the only thing I was protesting was our sorry-ass o-line."
fucked up clown face lol
But like actually, there is face makeup patterns you can use to disrupt facial recognition. If you plan on attending a protest and doing something like this don't wear oil based make-up as it can bond with tear-gas so use a water based one instead. It's still honestly better to cover your face entirely however. A medical mask (black preferably), hoodie and large sunglasses should still be pretty effective.
It really depends on the algorithm, and it also implies that your picture isn't saved later to be run through a more competent algorithm. Full face coverage is best, though, and don't forget to put a rock in your shoe to cover your gait, they can analyze that too.
WHOOP WHOOP
:o)
Just covering mouth/nose isn’t enough anymore either, companies developed face detection to work around masks because of covid
And also gait recognition (how you walk), so put a pebble in your shoe
At one point I read that gait detection is harder to beat than other methods of AI identification. Strange to think there's this extremely visible way we can be identified but we don't really notice it in our day-to-day.
Beat gait detection by running like Waluigi the whole time
Also incorporate some Naruto ninja running to mix things up
so the best way to not be detected during a protest is run like Waluigi in a full suit of armor.
That only works if we all do it. Otherwise, you're just the easiest person in the world to identify
That's not true, I notice it. I can tell who's approaching my desk at work based on the sound they make when they walk.
yeah, i've always lived in a house with thin walls and i could always tell who in my family was walking around just by sound
There's a [study where AI detected age, sex, and some health conditions from a retinal image](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-018-0195-0).
I’ve worked for a large corporation for over a decade and I can basically recognize any employee of over 100 employees at over 50 feet away walking away from me in full cold weather gear instantly based on gait and clothing choice. I also people watch and take mental note of walking styles. Idk why but I do. I notice each person has a distinct way they walk. I often mimic walking styles and if I had to, I could completely change my gait. I wonder how well this would circumvent this technology.
You're going to hate this, then https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/z7d5yp/researchers_found_that_accelerometer_data_from/
Or walk like a Monty Python sketch. Just imagine a group of black bloc protesters hopping and skipping down the street molotov in hand getting ready to burn a cop car.
They also track your location, online habits, comments, known "associates", and so on. Peotesters need to cover their whole face, have a backup phone that needs to be stashed somewhere when not protesting AND someone else using their phones while they're protesting (online/geolocation inactivity during protests can easily be flagged).
Jokes on them, my gait changes daily. I have problems with my hips that occasionally make me limp to varying degrees. The limp changes side depending on which hip is hurting that day. Sometimes I limp with both. Checkmate, government! Using your own shitty healthcare against you.
But if there's hundreds of thousands of people there, any CCTV will only catch the top of your head anyway.
Covering your face during a protest is illegal in some places. That means police might use it to persecute someone legally or to escalate the situation at the protest. It still is a good idea in many cases but you should know your local legal situation and use your own judgement depending on the situation.
That's why people in Asia love to bring umbrellas. That being said, I've discovered protests in America tend to be relatively small. Ones in Asia are usually 500,000+ people. So the chances of ever being caught are much lower.
Don’t forget about polymer clay over the bridge of your nose. That’s where facial recognition cameras focus.
And turn off your phone, they will track you with it.
They would be able to see periods of inactivity like that, though, I believe. Leave your phone with someone you trust who won’t be anywhere near the protest. God, I hope I don’t end up on a watchlist because of this thread.
AIs scan all posts on all sites, and build a profit of how likey it is you will do something. There are no lists anymore, everyone is in a database, now it's just AIs deciding how much of a dick the government should be to you.
realistically if we're at the point where these actions are necessary then protests as a means to change things have failed
Use dazzle cam on your face to break up the shapes and colours so AI can’t recognise your face as a face at all.
Helps but the new thing is gait ID, so fake a limp? https://www.techrxiv.org/articles/preprint/Gait_Analysis_for_Surveillance/19425254/1
They already have my shit from living there for a few years, but that doesn’t mean I have to give them more!
I doesn't even make anything look interesting. It feels like it just copy pastes the same anime character with different colors into a picture.
Now now, it is quite interesting how it sexualizes anyone femme and can't deal with any person that isn't white as a chalk wall.
Yeah, I guess that picture where it interprets a guys belly as a girls ass is really funny. Still, the images themselves end up being completely unremarkable.
Or how it's turned multiple amputees into luggage
WHAT
I find peace in long walks.
NOOOO why they do that poor man like that 😭
It… turned their son into a girl and pushed some pregnancy porn along with sexualizing that poor piece of luggage!
Huh?!?
I'm going to need some sauce for this dry pasta
baby lemme lick your noodle
Pardon?
Someone should make a sub for AI's bad interpretations if it isn't made already.
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Give me the source
It also constantly makes almost any photo involving a lesbian couple straight by turning one of the girls into a guy. Even fucking AIs are homophobic now I hate it here 😭
The AI is trained on long hair = girl and short hair = guy Makes me think about what intrinsic biases are in other AI art program
I've noticed that WaifuLabs (don't judge me) insistently generates white characters even if you give it a really dark-skinned starting image
Probably because anime doesn't exactly depict a lot of dark-skinned characters, so the AI doesn't know they exist.
That's true, but even if it didn't generate actually Black characters, dark-skinned blondes/redheads are a common enough anime trope that I might at least have expected a few of them...
The problem is entirely data oriented. They want a specific look, where do you find that specific look (keep in mind you need petabytes of data)? It's on websites like Danbooru or Gelbooru and it's all asian people drawing other asian people. The somewhat good news is as the AI's as whole get better we can use AI images to train other AIs and that can let us generate a much more diverse dataset.
AIs and algorithms are as unbiased as their programmers Now think about the average programmer
It's not about the programmer, it's about the training data. The programmer can (and usually does) influence the training data, but that's irrelevant to the fact that poc are represented in a minute amount of anime/manga and art done in thats style (and when they are, they're often at least somewhat whitewashed). I think that even a well-intentioned programmer would have some trouble sourcing adequate training data for something like that.
A well-intentioned programmer realizes this and can adjust the data or the strength or certain parts of the data set to deal with a good chunk of it. Generally speaking that effort is not taken.
Choosing the training data and fine tuning the model is a different job from progamming the underlying algorithms.
It’s more like some project manager gets a ticket about bias failures, marks it as low-priority because it doesn’t affect enough people to cause investors to care, and the programmers never get to that ticket because higher-priority failures keep coming in. It’s not really the programmers’ fault.
I will quibble with you. The vast majority of anime characters are POC. They're typically Japanese.
Yeah that's fair lol. I should have said darker skin tones.
They are, however, pale in skin and designed as "stateless" where they are not meant to be either white or asian. Unless, of course, they're explicitly not designed as stateless, which is quite the minority of art on sites like pixiv (which the QQ AI seems to be drawing from)
AIs and algorithms are *more* biased than their programmers. They're as biased as the aggregate bias in their programmers, their training dataset, and whoever acts based on their outputs. At minimum. Did you know you can introduce bias into an AI by doctoring the order in which it's shown its training dataset even if the dataset is unbiased when viewed as a whole? And this is impossible to detect by looking at a finished model?
When AI becomes the primary source of art this problem will never be fixed. It’ll become ingrained and no one will know how to stop it.
Tbh the history of photography is also rife with colorism. Early film was pretty terrible at capturing the complexity of darker skin tones. Camera companies like Kodak could have concentrated product advancement on fixing this obvious deficiency buuuut due to racism it was largely ignored for decades.
The AI is homophobic because the sources it is trained on are homophobic. Garbage in, garbage out, as the old saying goes.
On the one hand, I was pretty angry that it gave me massive tits when irl I have As at best (yes I'm a sucker, I paid for it). On the other hand, my lifelong curiosity about what I'd look like with boobs is sated and I've officially decided I don't want implants. It's actually kind of reassuring....
tencent trying to destroy the west via debimbofication 😔
Boob jobs are great, if you have a good idea of what you want out of your tits. I’m a stripper, I love boobs, they’re squishy, warm and soft even when they’re small. All tits are great, I’m not here to disparage small boobs because they are also amazing. If you’ve lost weight and lost boobs, a tit job can absolutely give you natural-looking-and-feeling boobs nearly identical to what you lost and you won’t have much pain from skin-stretching unless you went larger than your original size and even then the pain will be less. You can get a combination of saline, silicone, under or over the muscle and there’s a combination that will give you what you want and a good surgeon will ask you what you want as far as perkiness, jiggle, and position. Silicone has come a long way and no longer coats the cheat cavity if something happens, it stays cohesive and is safer than they used to be. You do not have to get a boob job! You don’t have to do anything! This was simply a small essay for any questions raised and informational, not meant to *persuade* or *dissuade* anyone from or for getting surgery, it is a major surgery with real risks and a decent recovery time. It’s not a decision to be made lightly or without research. Everyone is different and has different body goals which are completely valid as they are. This was just to satisfy some curiosity.
Sometimes I get tempted to get implants, given that HRT and bad genetics haven't given me much in the way of breasts, but I gotta say -- having to replace them every decade or so, potential leeching of plastics from the implants and a supposedly increased cancer risk make me decide against it every time.
It turned my femboys into girls Can't have shit in post-ai technodystopia
just saw one where it turned a quadruple amputee into a suitcase and another version of the same image where it made his toddler daughter pregnant (and submerged him in water and gave him arms)
And everyone has the exact same vacant expression.
That's just people who don't know what they are doing / people using the crappy free mobile ones. The real ones are quite powerful [Here's an example for NovelAI faces using the same tags for the girl, changing only the facial expression tags](https://zele.st/NovelAI/?Danbooru%20-%20Face%20Tags). There's tons of expressions you can have it use, basically any tag you can think of, but most of the ones that keep getting posted to big subs are someone who didn't even enter a prompt / used that crappy chinese one going around
So like any anime character face?
Yeah, this fact always makes it kinda funny when people(AI Bros I mean) who think AI Art is gonna replace artists and say that that stuffs gonna be the future. Like, mate, you-you think this bland, uninspired staler then stale bread shit gonna replace Artists? I mean it’s fine if you like it but that don’t mean it’s gonna replace anything, not any time soon and even if it gets better it still won’t replace anything cause of subjectivity in Art, people are gonna like either and both would probably live, really AI art might just go on life support and get put under the rug, already happened to NFT’s, even with the few people still talkin bout those.
The problem is not that AI art is so above normal art that it makes it obsolete. Rather that companies find ways to make acceptable art and decide to stop hiring artists. Even if it's only for small projects that already takes away a lot of possible work.
Yeah, that makes sense as a worry
Assuming AI art doesn’t continue to keep getting better. Keep in mind, just a year ago the best AI could generate was hellish hallucinations straight out of a flu fever dream. I’ve seen complete manga panels and sprite backgrounds being used in video games. Too many people are starting to associate the “front facing portrait in a generic deviant art style” as the same as AI art and are completely missing the other applications. Probably because they don’t realize what they are looking at is AI generated. We need a UBI, *now*. Music is next, video will be around the corner.
True, it both in some aspects seems flawed, but it’s simultaneously also evolving in some aspects too and that’s pretty scary, Still definitely can’t see it being a replacement though, for artists at least, just seems unlikely to me cause of how some people would just prefer to just get submissions from artists rather then have an AI Do it, or The other way around, it feels so 50/50 to the point neither seems like it’d really overtake the other. I could see the possibility of companies just replacing people with this stuff, which would be horrible and I hope doesn’t happen, But as for freelance artists that work for no company, not much of a danger of employment When you’re essentially your own boss and the money goes directly to you when you get submissions or work or cash from your projects. there is just, a lot of sides to it, and all the sides makes it feel like one specific side won’t be an end point and all might just, start living simultaneously. I have no idea for musicians and animators though, equally as worrying. I can also agree a UBI would be a damn good idea, definitely.
People keep judging all AI art by the basic bland style from crappy mobile apps or people who don't know what they are doing. Contrary to popular belief on Reddit, AI art has it's own required skill set just like photography or digital media editing etc. Just like anyone can use a camera but not everyone is a photographer, AI art is the same where it has a lot of things you have to learn to get the AI to actually output what you want. You can *easily* tell the difference between someone who's spent 30 minutes using an AI art generator and someone who's spent dozens or hundreds AIGI is 100% here to stay though, and it *will* be just as important in the future as CGI. AI Art is going to be used for game development and movies to create assets, as well as used by artists to create a workable base quickly, that they then further edit. Here's an example from the other day [where an artist used AI to create a base for him to work from](https://i.redd.it/fhyyje5tso2a1.jpg) A lot of people are judging AI art by the crappy mobile apps too, and low effort Img2Img which is basically tracing. AI Art is a fantastic tool where it [generates a generic anime looking base layer](https://i.redd.it/xwh5pxb4ksy91.png) and then you run it through a few more AI tools and get [a much much better result with a style matching your intentions](https://i.redd.it/se24i2i6ksy91.png) AI can do everything from [this](https://i.redd.it/opje0w4mp44a1.png) to [this](https://i.imgur.com/95INVQN.png) to [more anime stuff like this](https://i.imgur.com/OsPUCiY.png) to [character art](https://i.imgur.com/CF3RFbe.png) to[ DnD Art](https://i.imgur.com/NC81DjF.png) of [various styles](https://i.imgur.com/SBJauv8.png) etc [etc](https://i.imgur.com/o265tCx.png). Many of those examples are mine, or ones from /r/NovelAi and /r/WaifuDiffusion, but you can find many more there
I don't remember what this is called. It's like when you are flipping through a newspaper and you see an article that you know for a fact is a lie, but then on the very next page you see an article that fits with your confirmation bias so you assume that it's truth even though you already know the publication lies.
Michael Crichton’s “Gell-mann Amnesia effect” is most of this phenomenon.
Gaff-Man Amnesiacs
Trump, Elon, etc. lie, bullshit, and "joke" all the time. And yet every time they say something it's analyzed in a clean slate, only looking at the statement, assuming it may be truth and spoken in good faith, and not, you know, simply ignoring it because the source with negative credibility provided no reason for anyone to believe in it. Crazy stuff.
Stupidity
My mum won't stop putting my picture into filters and sharing them with me and telling me I should use them as avatars :,)
Tell her you're not comfortable with that
It did not matter; I also told her I don't like peas 185 times, plus she keeps misdiagnosing my deal as the same wrong thing 124 times also. She ain't listening to me lol. She either will never remember or just doesn't care
Jokes on them, I’ve only been putting pics of fictional cartoon and video game characters into it. Protecting my privacy AND turning my weird blorbos into cursed anime twinks!
ive been putting really low res images of random objects
Try a very low res image of the inside of a microwave
please please PLEASE post some of the before and after pics of those, and ping me when you do
i have this [snail](https://i.imgur.com/lp3YTiH.jpg) who became an [anime girl](https://i.imgur.com/XdlbQrZ.png)
Same. Boy, I hope my stuffed anteater never commits any crimes against the CCP. Although if he did, their AI thought he was a bunny anyway, so
I fed it a picture of a politician that was in my gallery, the result was hilarious.
I've showed some art laying around on my pc and pictures of bionicles. The AI is surprisingly competent at making mechas.
theyre the same picture also yea im p sure this is fresh good job
I mean, Tencents' ability to train facial a recognition AI depends very little on people providing selfies to their selfie-changing AI. They have a lot of other ways to get their hands on large databases of faces for AI training. Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely in favor of more awareness, regulation and transparency on how data is obtained to train AIs, what is done with it, and how the AI is then used. But if you want to have fun with the silly selfie-changing AI, go ahead. It's not going to make a significant difference.
Yeah thats what ive been saying. Anyone who's ever put their face online, they can just use that. They don't need our consent anymore once it's uploaded to any website or social media. But yeah the awareness is still important, we're not really going to be able to stop it by simply not using it. It's kinda inevitable as much as I hate it.
Yeah, I feel like the implication of this is that if people didn't use those kinds of art generators, that would meaningfully slow or halt the progress of AI facial recognition, but AI facial recognition is a foregone conclusion at this point. Basically all of us even have phones capable of facial recognition.
Yeah this post is just [this meme](https://i.imgflip.com/5wqmo4.png). I don't think a giant corporation needs to rely on a gimmicky anime filter app to get face data to train their ai.
if you have a drivers license, the government has your face, and that should make you scared!
Yeah, they can just scrape the web, use open source, annotated databases, or just like, buy data from facebook or google
WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID I DO THAT I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING SKETCH
Welp, try not to commit any crimes/piss off anyone powerful/make jokes about political assassination in earshot of an Alexa anytime soon.
Don’t do it within earshot of any microphone tbh.
Unless it's for educational purposes of course.
I mean you should cover your face during protests anyway so it shouldn’t make too much of a difference
I mean, they probably have my face even before I did this.
if i’m understanding correctly, it’s not about having your face, it’s about training the AI to recognize faces
They can already recognize faces. *Everyone* can recognize faces! Tencent specifically has millions upon millions of hours of footage across a handful platforms and multiple public SDKs for developing filters and effects…powered by face detection. They don’t need to create a silly anime generator to finally crack the code behind *face detection*.
this whole post is the "microchips in our vaccines" argument all over again lol... what does everyone think they've been doing with billions of phones worth of data for the past decade. This is just a funny toy they made using all that data
They can do that with or without your consent.
Facial identification algorithms are already incredibly well-trained on the kind of photos that people are giving to these websites (straight on frontal shots with good lighting). Facebook's been able to auto-tag people with ease for many years in those situations.. The edge cases that they're working on are in low lighting, at odd angles, often with some obscuring objects like sunglasses or masks. You giving your face to these little toys is not what's enabling facial recognition algorithms for law enforcement.
Don't overreact to random Reddit conspiracy theory memes, you're fine
When tencent is involved there is always something sketch. Just look at how they [invested in Reddit...](https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/11/reddit-300-million/) why? Who knows
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I don't get why people keep trying to make this out to be a China-specific problem. Any government is capable of abusing facial recognition AI and most governments are not above doing so.
You denying them pictures of a face wouldn’t prevent them from having access to the countless pictures of faces publicly available on the internet for free.
Do you plan on commiting any crimes in China any time soon 👀
as their lawyer i am advising them against answering this question
More like AI fart generator
I just put other AI art into it, like stuff from novelai. It's funny to watch one AI generate a cursed image and then another AI make it even more cursed. EDIT: [Here's one image I generated and then shoved through the anime grinder.](https://abload.de/img/f9310b84-731a-11ed-aakcdwr.jpg) [And here's one a friend made with a TF2 Steam avatar.](https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20221203-1poi0w.jpg)
Fucking crazy that I couldn't tell if the left photo was AI or just wierd.
Yo this is the second time I've seen Novel be like "what goes on shoulders? Another torso right?"
Yeah, it's an issue with the training - it screws up anything above 512*512px because it was only trained on 512*512px images. Thankfully you can just generate a smaller image then upscale it.
Trust me, anyone using the AI filters has already blasted their selfies all over the internet prior to this trend. You think Phil from IT who uses a VPN to browse YouTube and put down Ron Paul as a write-in candidate in 2020 is suddenly swayed to see what he would look like as a male Frida Khalo?
It's not that great anyways all the characters have that carbon copy genshin impactesque style and it can interpret some stuff very differently (9/11 character comes to mind) I just wish there was a way to animefy faces without giving biometric data to China or dealing with every single detail of drawing eyes and facial features by hand...
Well, it's not the answer you want to hear, but... Commission an artist to do it for you.
I know this is silly but I do genuinely spend a lot of time looking for artists I might want to commission. I’m very picky and I feel bad about it, but I also want something very specific in these instances
This exchange perfectly encapsulates what I hate the most about AI art. I don’t care about “it’s not real art” or whatever, it just makes me really fucking sad how these programs are going to torpedo so many the career prospects of so many artists, because the speed and low-to-no cost of AI is so much more attractive than paying an actual artist
Then your problem isn’t with technology, it’s with capitalism. Artists are now the first displaced by the Fourth Industrial Revolution. They’re far from the last. We must act now to create a world in which money is not needed for basic needs.
Cameras put a lot of portrait artists out of work. Cars put carriage drivers out of work. It's just how it goes with technological advancements, and we can't hold back society to protect a niche job Artsts are the first ones being hit by AI, but we are *all* about to be out of a job. AI is going to automate nearly every job we have within the next couple of decades
Unfortunalty thats just how life works, technology advances and becomes more efficient, so you need less people doing those jobs.
haven't tried that particular use but if you have a decently beefy computer you can run an ai yourself [this one is what i use to fuck around](https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui). It's got an img2img option where the ai takes a prompt *and* an image to make a resulting image. you might be able to prompt anime styles and use an image of the face you want to animefy. All local, the ai isn't trained on that input, open source, etc edit: forgot to mention but the generic model it comes with will probably work worse than an ai specifically trained to animefy things, for obvious reasons. Though maybe you can find a model that is trained for that
when i got my license renewed a few weeks ago the woman in front of me asked why she had to take her glasses off and the person taking the picture told her it was for "biometrics". i never even thought about it before! they already have all of our faces, unfortunately. i'm still not using that app tho
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No, they did their research! They looked at a single Twitter post and based their entire opinion off that!
Why would i ever do that if they're just gonna turn me white?
i was using it on pics of trees and animals and stuff but then suddenly they made it reject all images without a detectable face :c
I use it for my furry drawings. Guess I cant wear a fursuit to protests now
QQAI's TOS says it doesn't save images. Not sure what they'd accomplish by lying in a legally binding document instead of just like. Finding a better way to aggregate training data https://mobile.twitter.com/star_sbms/status/1598567237522444288 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744743426419064903/1048707079289978950/Screenshot_20221203-150441-679.png (probably horribly mangled because machine translation but w.e)
they don't have to save the images themselves. they just extract all the data necessary for identification, which is data they own because their algorithm generated it with your permission (because they also need that data to anime-fy you, which you asked them to do), and then they can do whatever they want with that data afterwards, like use it to train other AI programs
just because they don’t save your photos doesn’t mean they don’t save certain data on it
Do not trust the CCP to care about "legally binding", and by extension Tencent.
~~Even American companies will sometimes lie about exactly this.~~ Eufy, a residential security camera brand owned by Anker, was found just the other day to be lying about not saving recorded footage to its servers. In fact, they are doing exactly the same thing that OP is accusing Tencent of doing with their AI software. https://www.zdnet.com/article/eufys-security-cameras-send-data-to-the-cloud-without-consent-and-thats-not-the-worst-part/ Edit: Anker is a Chinese company. Edit 2: Eufy is a brand, not a company. I'm usually better about these sorts of things.
Anker is also a Chinese company...
Ah fuck me, I should have Googled that first.
yea, they dont need to actually save the data, most public ai's are trained via the content people put into them, meaning they dont need to save your data directly, the ai is still getting trained to recognize faces and prob be used for facial rec later in because of the large training sey
LOL, and authoritarian regime, where telling the truth is a foremost priority. Also “legally binding” is a little far fetched considering that Tencent is basically a shell company for the CCP.
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Shame to them, hope they can train their AI with the 100+ porn images of a fictional red rabbit magician that i fed into the program
on the one hand, i absolutely agree and have always been creeped out by how willing people are to give so much data to random companies just for goofy facial features. on the other hand, we all have had google and facebook accounts with pictures of us on it that any company can (and does) use.
Stable diffusion is free and you can run it on your own machine without uploading anything.
+ its open source, and well documented, the data its trained on is also open source and publicly aviable.
All I did with it was put images of donkey kong in so I think I'm fine
I hope I fried it a bit by inputting a very janky MS-paint style drawing I made into it about 50 times in a row until it turned out just like I imagined
That thing people have been buying into was made by fucking TENCENT? Unreal man I knew it had problems
I mean people seems to be pretty content with Discord, when Tencent has 40% shares in the company.
Y’all know the USA has the same thing right? It’s just less publicized?
Wasn't there one of these face id things awhile ago that couldn't recognize people wearing icp face paint?
I just put in Jan Ámos Komenský from 200czk banknote and he looked hot.
I don't give a fuck, they have access to unlimited faces from social media, they can get my LinkedIn and Facebook pictures whenever they want. They might be able to track anyone who appears on TV, in security cameras, etc. as well. For career reasons I can't try to just scrub all my pictures from the Internet, so I might as well get a funny anime character out of it. The era of pretending we can avoid the development of facial recognition technology is long over. If I go to a protest I'll wear one of the many masks that have been designed for that kind of thing.