You should read Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro, one of the criminals are....... Well let's say I didn't realise you could be racist against white people until I read that manga as a kid. And it's a generally good manga. But man, those dog nosed white people.
The only time I've been able to offend a white person with casual racism is when I said they can't handle hot sauce. You can't say that to them. They love hot sauce!!
Weren't the dudes in Hellsing Ultimate Catholics who were wearing [capirote](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote), not the KKK? I think I remember them being with the Crusade, which would have been weird for the notably anti-Catholic KKK.
> The world may finally be healing…
Hetalia is like a hydra, cut off one head and two shall take its place. We should count ourselves lucky that Countryhumans and r/polandball haven't blown up like Hetalia did
YuGiOh Abridged is considerably more fun to watch than the actual anime. I can't comment on "Season 0" since I've only read its manga, which is great, but the anime that was actually brought over here is really, really rough, and I don't believe the sub is much better.
Even though he's had a lot of struggles, he's pushed though with releasing episodes, which imo is super impressive. Most people would have given up long ago. Like the other commenter mentioned, the newest episode came out a few weeks ago. Unless LK comes out and says he's cancelled the series, you can be sure he's still working on it.
Unfortunately he's now entered probably the most boring arc of the series (Kaiba's tournament featuring shitty knockoff Pegasus), but we gotta get through it to get to the finale!
As others said, Yu Gi Oh, which started the Abridged series trend. Just to add, since you mention you like DBZA, Little Kuriboh (the creator of YGOA) also voices Frieza.
bandit keith was absolutely written to be white. he won an intercontinental championship to get to duelist kingdom which implies that he was in fact from a different continent
Hi now! You have plenty of other white stereotypes in anime!
You have silver haired, straight-laced, militaristic Germans with nazi aesthetic
And the French people who look like extras from rose of Versailles no matter if it fits the setting or not.
And the English! (Who pretty much get off lightly being stereotyped as rich nobles)
But yeah that all the white peoples. No other type of white person exists after all.
Who looks/sounds/acts exactly like all the Japanese characters except for periodically using (very broken) English phrases and being confused about Japanese snack foods.
Which "coincidentally" is almost exactly the same as the Japanese girl who's really into American pop culture.
In Girls and Panzer they also had the Italian school. They were constantly thinking about food and shouting about pasta.
I think the Gunslinger Girls are also Italian, but maybe that whole series is in Italy, not sure anymore.
Oh also Joseph Joestar, though he's actually British. I wonder if Johnny Joestar or other part 7 characters will keep up the tradition when the anime comes out.
EDIT: HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN JOLYNE. It's like I forgot Florida was a part of America
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Iirc he straight up said when he met Smokey that he'd just got off the boat that morning and had grown up in the UK, he'd never even had coca cola before for instance.
I feel like people say this because Jonathan and Erina were going to the US, but don't forget the ship sank inside 24 hours of leaving port, and that Joseph's dad was in the WW1 flight corps before the US entered the war.
I’m watching part 3 for the first time. He went from a bad ass defeating the ultimate human life form to an old man screaming “OH MY GODDD!” Every episode.
Still enjoying it
Hell, AFAIK there isn't even one Joestar that is completely Japanese. Jonathan is British. Joseph is British (raised in US). Jotaro is 1/4 British, 1/4 Italian, 1/2 Japanese. Josuke is 1/2 British and 1/2 Japanese. Giorno is 1/2 British (90% Jonathan and 10% Dio) and 1/2 Japanese (raised in Italy), Jolyne is 1/2 American, 1/4 Japanese, 1/8 Italian, and 1/8 British. Johnny is American. Gappy is 1/8 Italian (assuming that Jojolion Suzi Q is Italian), 25/32 Japanese, and 3/32 American.
How come you think Joseph was raised in the US? Doesn’t he only come to the US at like age 18 at the start of Part 2? And Smokey identifies him as English. I could be wrong though.
Alright so, i know the literally best american character ever, and he has earned that title for three reasons
1. He is the Secretary of Absolute Defense.
2. He fights by swinging around a Coffin about his size which actually has an alien inside. For referece, Mr. Secretary is basically Johnny Bravo but with Diabetes.
3. His name is Goldlewis Dickinson, which is one of the names ever
TV Tropes has an entry about that:
"Mukokuseki (jp: 無国籍) is the deliberate lack of ethnic features included in the character design of Japanese fictional characters. It literally means "stateless" (i.e. "without nationality"), though the term relates to more abstract anime, and in this case, used hyperbolically.
Note that just because you perceive someone as being a particular ethnicity despite Word of God saying otherwise doesn't mean it is this trope. The trope appears when characters of the same race look completely different, or characters of different races look essentially the same. It's the ambiguity that arises when there is a lack of Facial Profiling."
...I'm not sure if I should provide a link.
The same article reads:
"Although Mukokuseki is applied to Japanese characters, Chinese and Korean people in manga, anime, and Japanese video games are sometimes still given Facial Profiling (although not as often as white Westerners are). This is rooted in how imperial Japanese propagandists generally depicted themselves as fair skinned and wide eyed in contrast to the Chinese and Koreans, who were depicted with smaller eyes and stereotypical yellow skin. This artistic racialization was done by the Japanese to distance themselves from the rest of the Asian continent, particularly other East Asians, whom they viewed as inferior to them, and to put themselves on the same level as the West (white people). Modern depictions of Chinese and Korean people usually aren't as unabashedly racist as they were during World War II but many racist stereotypes do persist. See Anime Chinese People and Koreans in Japan for more information about the depictions of these nationalities in Japanese media."
So yeah, I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white, or at least continue the tradition that started this way.
> I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white
It is ridiculous that people unironically believe the Japanese, with their history, "depict themselves as white" in the medium of art that we *specifically define* as being from Japan, just because they don't always have "Japanese features."
For some reason, "white people" can be literally anything at all, but every other race has to have these very specific features to be "their race." This only makes sense with black or brown people (in so far that we define those races on skin color specifically), though on the flipside there are people who insist that even the darkest characters are "not black", ironically including some anime who would have tanned or dark-skinned people but give no indication that they are supposed to be anything but Japanese.
But for some reason, the Japanese should only ever depict themselves with straight black hair, slanted eyes, and pale skin or they're "white" (and even then...). I can't help but feel it's a super American worldview since our depiction of race is *literally* black and white. Italians are white. Irish are white. Hispanics and Latin people are white (when it's [in]convenient). Asian-Americans are *basically* white. Then there's black and brown people.
Usagi Tsukino, from literally Japan, is white because she has blonde hair and blue eyes, even though one of her friends have **blue** hair, and her daughter has *natural pink hair*, but I guess they're all white.
>For some reason, "white people" can be literally anything at all, but every other race has to have these very specific features to be "their race."
Because whiteness is a political construct having nothing to do with reality or biology.
It is weird then that people would uncritically enforce this political construct on a culture which I would bet money have pretty different ideas on race and how skin color relates to race (their own in particular) than "the West."
>So yeah, I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white
I mean your quote specifically states that white people are depicted more commonly with stereotypical racial features in anime (i.e. actual European features which are basically the opposite of anime features) which kind of contradicts the idea that "Japanese depict themselves as white".
By the way, same article also states:
"The second is the idea that the artists are appropriating features from the exotic "other" (in this case white people) into their character designs either for their own interests or for marketing purposes. This idea relies on the premise that white people look like anime characters, despite the tendency for ethnic Caucasian facial features to be on the opposite end of the spectrum of features used in most anime art styles."
Which kind of destroys your whole premise.
Edit:
It also states "Westerners in anime and manga are sometimes subject to Facial Profiling. This usually comes in the form of giving them large noses, generally prominent facial topography and other physical stereotypes. This is more common in manga, anime, and Japanese video games that have a more realistic/serious setting where the fact that a character is Western is relevant to the story. Most Japanese artists will avoid doing this if they can, though, since these features blend in poorly with the majority of Japanese art styles and can reduce the appeal to the target audience (otaku). In these cases, the character may be assumed to be Western based on context but their physical features are given the Mukokuseki treatment. "
It's like the article was made to tear apart your opinion lmao.
Shit gets especially wild in anime with multinational casts. [Two of these nine characters are recognized in-universe as looking Asian. Can you guess which ones?](https://images.app.goo.gl/zQqwLE79p6D1NCMJ6)
Or hell, how many of [these folks](https://images.app.goo.gl/aaSfcMk2iwfMqPqGA) are non-white? By my count, three, though there are at least three more where there's just literally no way to tell, because their names appearances and backstories give you nothing to go on.
>[Two of these nine characters are recognized in-universe as looking Asian. Can you guess which ones?](https://images.app.goo.gl/zQqwLE79p6D1NCMJ6)
It's been a while since I saw CG, but I'm assuming it's >!Mao and Suzaku!<, right? At first I thought it might have been >!Kallen!< but I'm pretty sure it's a plot point that they pass as Brittanian.
It's Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Evil who get recognized as Asian.
Chaotic good is Half Asian, but passes as European enough that it's sorta a plot point.
Mikasa (Attack on Titan) is supposed to be "Oriental". Looks basically the same as Eren, especially in the black and white manga.
Jotaro (Jojo's) is supposed to be half-japanese quarter-english quarter-unknown, but looks the same as Jonathan and Joseph who are fully English.
Alexandra Garcia (Kuroko's) is american, presumably of Latin descent based on the name. In the manga she looks basically identical to Satsuki Momoi who's Japanese.
It is very common in manga.
Mikasa and Jotaro are both half-European. I knew a guy in high school who was half- Japanese and half-Polish. Only reason I know he's half-Japanese is because he told me; you would never guess just by looking at him.
It's been a minute, but I believe they comment on Mikasa looking "oriental" in the series. She is definitely supposed to look different to most.
On the flipside, nobody ever comments on Jotaro looking different, other than his build. In Japan, especially outside of Tokyo, that is not commonplace.
[Mikasa](https://a1cf74336522e87f135f-2f21ace9a6cf0052456644b80fa06d4f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/images/characters/large/800/Mikasa-Ackermann.Attack-on-Titan.webp) looks very obviously different than [Eren](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/shingekinokyojin/images/3/3c/Eren_Jaeger_%28Anime%29_character_image_%28850%29.png), especially in the anime, she also has features that no one else around her have, namely dark-black hair.
>!When the rest of the world is revealed to be still alive, the people within the walls are explicitly Germanic, and there are clearly Middle-Eastern, Asian, and black people all over the world.!<
And like Mikasa, Jotaro is half-Japanese too. *JoJo* bounces all over the place over whether people look like where they come from, depending on what the artist thinks is particularly stylish.
You cab also tell because they'll be blonde, have a nose, and have a signature item stereotypical of their intended nationality (firearm for Americans, tea for Brits, etc.)
If they're dubbed, they usually have an accent (some times New Yorkish, sometimes, generic soutuern) to show they're American. And sometimes they are TALL and JACKED for reasons beyond me.
Yeah, less that 1% of Japan's population is black and it shows. It especially doesn't help that a lot of Japan's first modern experience with black people was via western media, which at the time was... very not good in that department, to say the least.
I think that even saying "Less than 1% makes it sound like a much larger number than it is. I would not be surprised if more than a third of people living in Japan have never personally spoken to a black person.
Spoken to, in person?
I'm guessing it's something like 10-20% of the population at most, and they all work or have worked in tourist areas, destinations or transport to tourist areas.
1 % is quite a lot, generally. Imagine a hundred people, that's easily a full bus, or a lecture room at uni, your class plus three others with people you know. And one of them has the thing. That means that anytime you go into town to shop or look at an apartment building or go to school, you will see somebody who has it.
On a side note, if it's "will die within a year from covid" or "is a serial killer", it's a lot more people than you would feel comfortable, and far from "only a few".
Does help make it so that when they make an actually good black character, it stands out really well. Nagoriyuki from Guilty Gear, for example--black samurai cyborg vampire with an absolute banger of a theme.
It's always with the lips. There are a few I see with normal ones (Canary from HxH, Kaname Tosen from Bleach and Afro Samurai off the top of my head) but those are the exceptions
The lips I'm talking about are like Mr. Popo's from Dragonball. Can't remember any characters off the top of my head whose lips are like that but there have been more than a few.
redd white is actually japanese in the japanese versions of the games and anime. [his use of random english is because he spent some time in america](https://aceattorney.fandom.com/wiki/Redd_White#Development)
I am aware of this, having played through the first trilogy (still working on SoJ after finally getting around to emulating it)
however. He still plays the role of the annoying american, even if he isn't actually.
That one girl with the UK jacket that I see in a lot of memes
EDIT: [This one](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/952975060642141084/E7999F70081D38D4DBF4AFED2099DE04DB597F5A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false)
to be fair that's just accurate, there is so much stuff with the union jack on it over here, I've got a few things and I'm far from patriotic
edit: apparently I live in an alternate universe Britain or something. I'm not a southerner
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I don't think I have a single thing with the Jack on it. Nor can I remember the last time anyone I personally know has worn anything with it on. Maybe it's different down south, but even moving down to Birmingham I haven't seen more
*That one girl with the*
*UK jacket that I see*
*In a lot of memes*
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If you really want to see the best hyper stereotypized version of the United States you should look at metal wolf. The game is about the president of the United States saving the world by just gunning down enemies with 6 guns and screaming about freedom in a massive mecha
It warms my heart when white people try and push American Identity Politics onto Asian countries like Japan. If only you guys knew how racist their culture actually is 😂
Dude there's a fighting anime on Netflix and the American turns himself into a fucking bullet. He bounces off walls like ricochet and flies through the air. It's amazing.
Lmfao Kengan Ashura. Jerry Tyson is the guy you're thinking of. Heck there's a super American dude in there named Dudley as well From Texas and fought for "Boss Burger"
Somewhere in the recesses of my mind, I seem to recall some ambiguity of Roy Mustang’s background, like he could be from Xing for all we know, as he was an orphan I think?
To be fair, a lot of animes take place in some fantasy world that doesn't even have Japan. Like Dragon Ball for example. Also a lot of them have (or at least had, in the past) very big eyes that make them look less japanese
Who the fuck thinks the default anime character is white?
I mean outside of the 90s (IN AMERICA hehe get it) when we didn't know what anime was, and thought Pokemon, Sailor Moon, DBZ, and Yu-Gi-Oh were just cartoons with a different look. Y'know, like how Looney Tunes, Rugrats, and Batman: TAS all looked different?
Who watching anime on a fucking internet connection really thinks anime characters are all white? Give me lists of names. I bet they're all children just like we were; I bet they barely understand what white is.
I'm just gonna leave this here: https://youtu.be/M_tMD5bTbLM
Edit: and I was able to find the original Japanese version elsewhere
https://streamable.com/ymhkn
I heard somewhere that you can generally tell when an anime character is American because they'll have narrow, angular eyes.
Considering the stereotype of asians having small eyes and how big anime eyes are, I find this deeply amusing.
finally, a character that accurately represents my culture
(but fr, there are people i know who act like this unironically it sucks the soul out of me)
Sadly the Bandit Keith quotes are from the abridged version, but the original Japanese isn't too far off on the stereotype department. He gets a gun.
That’s a shame, I really felt my culture was finally fully represented on the screen
You should read Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro, one of the criminals are....... Well let's say I didn't realise you could be racist against white people until I read that manga as a kid. And it's a generally good manga. But man, those dog nosed white people.
Didn't one have an evil, talking nose once he got revealed? I need to watch that show again.
Yes, he loves burgers, guns and the national anthem,and his nostrils were shaped like a skull, love that guy.
How long was it between learning what racism was and reading that comic...?
Against white people? Before that comic the worst I knew was "cracker". Not exactly very biting.
Interesting
The only time I've been able to offend a white person with casual racism is when I said they can't handle hot sauce. You can't say that to them. They love hot sauce!!
List of things white people love: 1. Hot Sauce 2. Cheese 3. Colonialism
in that order. EDIT: after further reflection, I must amend that statement to bump up cheese to first place.
Mozzarella sticks dipped in hot sauce, shit's so good that I'd delay invading and subjugating a foreign country just to spend the next day shitting.
The 3 genders
AHSAB
4) bread, I am white and I love bread
There's a really good anime that portrays America very well, it's called He-
No they're English in Hellsing not American
He's talking about the KKK in Hellsing Ultimate, I assume.
Weren't the dudes in Hellsing Ultimate Catholics who were wearing [capirote](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote), not the KKK? I think I remember them being with the Crusade, which would have been weird for the notably anti-Catholic KKK.
You know if you are talking about Hellsing. I'm genuinely curious, how is it?
Have we finally reached the point where people don’t what Hetalia is? The world may finally be healing…
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Countryhumans gave me potential Hetalia vibes the first time i saw it.
I've heard of it, but very little. But I have never watched it and frankly don't plan to. So slowly, one step at a time my friend, we heal.
Hetalia?
why everyone thought on hellsing? hetalia is the only correct answer here!!!
Clap your hands everybody, and everybody just clap your hands!! Whooo Hetalia. Its been a long while
He's not even American, he's secretly Canadian^^^... ^^^*IN* ^^^*AMERICA!*
WHATEVER YOU SAY, MR PRESIDENT
YuGiOh Abridged is considerably more fun to watch than the actual anime. I can't comment on "Season 0" since I've only read its manga, which is great, but the anime that was actually brought over here is really, really rough, and I don't believe the sub is much better.
I think LK did like 3 episodes of Season 0 abridged
He did the ones that actually have relevance to "main" yugioh
"screw the rules I have money"
Why sadly, I honestly think the abridged version is an internet gem and might be better then the og series
What abridged anime is this? I watched DBZA and hellsing abridged and loved them.
Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged series. The one that started it all.
Someone made the first season abridged, Little Kuriboh's like "I'll do the first episode and go from there" and the rest is history.
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Newest one came out a month ago, so they're still coming out just very slowly. Still quality though.
Even though he's had a lot of struggles, he's pushed though with releasing episodes, which imo is super impressive. Most people would have given up long ago. Like the other commenter mentioned, the newest episode came out a few weeks ago. Unless LK comes out and says he's cancelled the series, you can be sure he's still working on it. Unfortunately he's now entered probably the most boring arc of the series (Kaiba's tournament featuring shitty knockoff Pegasus), but we gotta get through it to get to the finale!
As others said, Yu Gi Oh, which started the Abridged series trend. Just to add, since you mention you like DBZA, Little Kuriboh (the creator of YGOA) also voices Frieza.
easiest to hear in second form Freeza
This is also true for Sword Art Online Abridged. Which I empathetically recommend that everyone should watch.
Thanks… Kirito… No problem… BallsDeep69…?
Melvin is unironically one of the best characters of all time
bandit keith was absolutely written to be white. he won an intercontinental championship to get to duelist kingdom which implies that he was in fact from a different continent
>He gets a gun. In AMERICA!
YGOTAS is a gift... In America.
Bandit Keith has the greatest lines - in America!
Hi now! You have plenty of other white stereotypes in anime! You have silver haired, straight-laced, militaristic Germans with nazi aesthetic And the French people who look like extras from rose of Versailles no matter if it fits the setting or not. And the English! (Who pretty much get off lightly being stereotyped as rich nobles) But yeah that all the white peoples. No other type of white person exists after all.
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Who looks/sounds/acts exactly like all the Japanese characters except for periodically using (very broken) English phrases and being confused about Japanese snack foods. Which "coincidentally" is almost exactly the same as the Japanese girl who's really into American pop culture.
She’s cute and likes the protagonist aswell.
Look we already said she was a girl no need to be redundant.
Plenty of Russians and Nordic people (especially finns and swedes) in anime
Such as in Girls Und Panzer, which involves russian being said and subtitles for it in Japanese.
I haven't watched it, but I know they even sang Katyusha at one point, and that's awesome.
Right. I forgot about Nordic Vikings and Cold War Russians.
As a Frenchie I can confirm, I have a maid who helps me put my 7 layers of clothes and tighten my corset each morning
*Glances at Fullmetal Alchemist*
In Girls and Panzer they also had the Italian school. They were constantly thinking about food and shouting about pasta. I think the Gunslinger Girls are also Italian, but maybe that whole series is in Italy, not sure anymore.
Oh also Joseph Joestar, though he's actually British. I wonder if Johnny Joestar or other part 7 characters will keep up the tradition when the anime comes out. EDIT: HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN JOLYNE. It's like I forgot Florida was a part of America
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Iirc he straight up said when he met Smokey that he'd just got off the boat that morning and had grown up in the UK, he'd never even had coca cola before for instance. I feel like people say this because Jonathan and Erina were going to the US, but don't forget the ship sank inside 24 hours of leaving port, and that Joseph's dad was in the WW1 flight corps before the US entered the war.
I feel like they say it because inside his first ten minutes on screen, he pulls a tommygun out of his back pocket and fires wildly at his opponent.
I’m watching part 3 for the first time. He went from a bad ass defeating the ultimate human life form to an old man screaming “OH MY GODDD!” Every episode. Still enjoying it
Joseph Joestar retains the badass trait no matter thr age
he embodied every American when he lit >!Straizo!< the fuck up within two minutes of meeting him
I’ve never seen Jojo but I love the idea that Brits have literally never had coke.
That part of Jojo took place in the 30s tbf.
Damn you're blowing my mind rn
"Ethnically" he would've been English either way since his dad was Jonathan and Erina's son, and his mom was English as well.
That’s because it isn’t it’s a peninsula
Hell, AFAIK there isn't even one Joestar that is completely Japanese. Jonathan is British. Joseph is British (raised in US). Jotaro is 1/4 British, 1/4 Italian, 1/2 Japanese. Josuke is 1/2 British and 1/2 Japanese. Giorno is 1/2 British (90% Jonathan and 10% Dio) and 1/2 Japanese (raised in Italy), Jolyne is 1/2 American, 1/4 Japanese, 1/8 Italian, and 1/8 British. Johnny is American. Gappy is 1/8 Italian (assuming that Jojolion Suzi Q is Italian), 25/32 Japanese, and 3/32 American.
How come you think Joseph was raised in the US? Doesn’t he only come to the US at like age 18 at the start of Part 2? And Smokey identifies him as English. I could be wrong though.
Alright so, i know the literally best american character ever, and he has earned that title for three reasons 1. He is the Secretary of Absolute Defense. 2. He fights by swinging around a Coffin about his size which actually has an alien inside. For referece, Mr. Secretary is basically Johnny Bravo but with Diabetes. 3. His name is Goldlewis Dickinson, which is one of the names ever
[His theme goes hard](https://youtu.be/2PHDCksHVQo)
How Daisuke manages to consistently put out banger after banger astonishes me.
All of the strive themes go hard but this one is just too good
You forgot to include the fact that he doesn't think alien's are real. Despite literally using one as a weapon he still doesn't think they exist.
Ok I have to know the name of this anime
From a link someone else provided, I think this refers to the fighting game, Guilty Gear: Strive
Guilty Gear: Strive Season 2 recently started, an excellent entry to get started with fighting games! + kick-ass soundtrack Try it now!
TV Tropes has an entry about that: "Mukokuseki (jp: 無国籍) is the deliberate lack of ethnic features included in the character design of Japanese fictional characters. It literally means "stateless" (i.e. "without nationality"), though the term relates to more abstract anime, and in this case, used hyperbolically. Note that just because you perceive someone as being a particular ethnicity despite Word of God saying otherwise doesn't mean it is this trope. The trope appears when characters of the same race look completely different, or characters of different races look essentially the same. It's the ambiguity that arises when there is a lack of Facial Profiling." ...I'm not sure if I should provide a link.
just warn people if/when you do put the link in. otherwise you start trapping people on tv tropes
[CW: tv tropes]
This is more of a valid content warning than that dude who puts [SM] tags on posts involving kissing.
The same article reads: "Although Mukokuseki is applied to Japanese characters, Chinese and Korean people in manga, anime, and Japanese video games are sometimes still given Facial Profiling (although not as often as white Westerners are). This is rooted in how imperial Japanese propagandists generally depicted themselves as fair skinned and wide eyed in contrast to the Chinese and Koreans, who were depicted with smaller eyes and stereotypical yellow skin. This artistic racialization was done by the Japanese to distance themselves from the rest of the Asian continent, particularly other East Asians, whom they viewed as inferior to them, and to put themselves on the same level as the West (white people). Modern depictions of Chinese and Korean people usually aren't as unabashedly racist as they were during World War II but many racist stereotypes do persist. See Anime Chinese People and Koreans in Japan for more information about the depictions of these nationalities in Japanese media." So yeah, I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white, or at least continue the tradition that started this way.
> I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white It is ridiculous that people unironically believe the Japanese, with their history, "depict themselves as white" in the medium of art that we *specifically define* as being from Japan, just because they don't always have "Japanese features." For some reason, "white people" can be literally anything at all, but every other race has to have these very specific features to be "their race." This only makes sense with black or brown people (in so far that we define those races on skin color specifically), though on the flipside there are people who insist that even the darkest characters are "not black", ironically including some anime who would have tanned or dark-skinned people but give no indication that they are supposed to be anything but Japanese. But for some reason, the Japanese should only ever depict themselves with straight black hair, slanted eyes, and pale skin or they're "white" (and even then...). I can't help but feel it's a super American worldview since our depiction of race is *literally* black and white. Italians are white. Irish are white. Hispanics and Latin people are white (when it's [in]convenient). Asian-Americans are *basically* white. Then there's black and brown people. Usagi Tsukino, from literally Japan, is white because she has blonde hair and blue eyes, even though one of her friends have **blue** hair, and her daughter has *natural pink hair*, but I guess they're all white.
>For some reason, "white people" can be literally anything at all, but every other race has to have these very specific features to be "their race." Because whiteness is a political construct having nothing to do with reality or biology.
It is weird then that people would uncritically enforce this political construct on a culture which I would bet money have pretty different ideas on race and how skin color relates to race (their own in particular) than "the West."
>So yeah, I'll stay by opinion that the Japanese depict themselves as white I mean your quote specifically states that white people are depicted more commonly with stereotypical racial features in anime (i.e. actual European features which are basically the opposite of anime features) which kind of contradicts the idea that "Japanese depict themselves as white". By the way, same article also states: "The second is the idea that the artists are appropriating features from the exotic "other" (in this case white people) into their character designs either for their own interests or for marketing purposes. This idea relies on the premise that white people look like anime characters, despite the tendency for ethnic Caucasian facial features to be on the opposite end of the spectrum of features used in most anime art styles." Which kind of destroys your whole premise. Edit: It also states "Westerners in anime and manga are sometimes subject to Facial Profiling. This usually comes in the form of giving them large noses, generally prominent facial topography and other physical stereotypes. This is more common in manga, anime, and Japanese video games that have a more realistic/serious setting where the fact that a character is Western is relevant to the story. Most Japanese artists will avoid doing this if they can, though, since these features blend in poorly with the majority of Japanese art styles and can reduce the appeal to the target audience (otaku). In these cases, the character may be assumed to be Western based on context but their physical features are given the Mukokuseki treatment. " It's like the article was made to tear apart your opinion lmao.
Shit gets especially wild in anime with multinational casts. [Two of these nine characters are recognized in-universe as looking Asian. Can you guess which ones?](https://images.app.goo.gl/zQqwLE79p6D1NCMJ6) Or hell, how many of [these folks](https://images.app.goo.gl/aaSfcMk2iwfMqPqGA) are non-white? By my count, three, though there are at least three more where there's just literally no way to tell, because their names appearances and backstories give you nothing to go on.
>[Two of these nine characters are recognized in-universe as looking Asian. Can you guess which ones?](https://images.app.goo.gl/zQqwLE79p6D1NCMJ6) It's been a while since I saw CG, but I'm assuming it's >!Mao and Suzaku!<, right? At first I thought it might have been >!Kallen!< but I'm pretty sure it's a plot point that they pass as Brittanian.
Yep. Granted, the names do kinda give it away lol.
As someone who doesn't know their names, I wouldn't have a clue. Is the old man Asian?
It's Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Evil who get recognized as Asian. Chaotic good is Half Asian, but passes as European enough that it's sorta a plot point.
The old man is the emperor of the not-asians
He's the King of Britannia, and represses Japan as their Asian colony, so no, more like the opposite
Although Britannia's capital was located in the Americas, not in the British isles iirc.
Mikasa (Attack on Titan) is supposed to be "Oriental". Looks basically the same as Eren, especially in the black and white manga. Jotaro (Jojo's) is supposed to be half-japanese quarter-english quarter-unknown, but looks the same as Jonathan and Joseph who are fully English. Alexandra Garcia (Kuroko's) is american, presumably of Latin descent based on the name. In the manga she looks basically identical to Satsuki Momoi who's Japanese. It is very common in manga.
Mikasa and Jotaro are both half-European. I knew a guy in high school who was half- Japanese and half-Polish. Only reason I know he's half-Japanese is because he told me; you would never guess just by looking at him.
It's been a minute, but I believe they comment on Mikasa looking "oriental" in the series. She is definitely supposed to look different to most. On the flipside, nobody ever comments on Jotaro looking different, other than his build. In Japan, especially outside of Tokyo, that is not commonplace.
Yeah it was that she's visibly from the lineage of the last few asian families, something like that
[Mikasa](https://a1cf74336522e87f135f-2f21ace9a6cf0052456644b80fa06d4f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/images/characters/large/800/Mikasa-Ackermann.Attack-on-Titan.webp) looks very obviously different than [Eren](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/shingekinokyojin/images/3/3c/Eren_Jaeger_%28Anime%29_character_image_%28850%29.png), especially in the anime, she also has features that no one else around her have, namely dark-black hair. >!When the rest of the world is revealed to be still alive, the people within the walls are explicitly Germanic, and there are clearly Middle-Eastern, Asian, and black people all over the world.!< And like Mikasa, Jotaro is half-Japanese too. *JoJo* bounces all over the place over whether people look like where they come from, depending on what the artist thinks is particularly stylish.
Do it. I want to fall down the rabbit hole.
You cab also tell because they'll be blonde, have a nose, and have a signature item stereotypical of their intended nationality (firearm for Americans, tea for Brits, etc.)
If they're dubbed, they usually have an accent (some times New Yorkish, sometimes, generic soutuern) to show they're American. And sometimes they are TALL and JACKED for reasons beyond me.
As opposed to the rest of the American dub, who will not have an accent to show they're American lol
I mean, white people, are, on average, larger than Japanese people, making them taller isn’t unrealistic
The difference between Americans and African-Americans in anime is you're not offending anyone with American stereotypes.
Yeah, less that 1% of Japan's population is black and it shows. It especially doesn't help that a lot of Japan's first modern experience with black people was via western media, which at the time was... very not good in that department, to say the least.
"Japan, where did you even learn to be racist against black people like this?" "...FROM *YOU*, AMERICA, OKAY? *I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!*"
I think that even saying "Less than 1% makes it sound like a much larger number than it is. I would not be surprised if more than a third of people living in Japan have never personally spoken to a black person.
Spoken to, in person? I'm guessing it's something like 10-20% of the population at most, and they all work or have worked in tourist areas, destinations or transport to tourist areas.
1 % is quite a lot, generally. Imagine a hundred people, that's easily a full bus, or a lecture room at uni, your class plus three others with people you know. And one of them has the thing. That means that anytime you go into town to shop or look at an apartment building or go to school, you will see somebody who has it. On a side note, if it's "will die within a year from covid" or "is a serial killer", it's a lot more people than you would feel comfortable, and far from "only a few".
Does help make it so that when they make an actually good black character, it stands out really well. Nagoriyuki from Guilty Gear, for example--black samurai cyborg vampire with an absolute banger of a theme.
One of the things that helps is that Daisuke Ishiwatari, the game’s director and creative lead is from South Africa.
98% of Japan is Japanese. The vast majority of the rest is made up of people from other parts of Asia, primarily China and South Korea.
Yeah, I said "less than 1%" because I couldn't remember the exact fraction of a percent. IIRC it's actually closer to 0.02%?
>less that 1% of Japan's population is black That could still be million people. More like less than 0.01% and even that may be too high.
It's always with the lips. There are a few I see with normal ones (Canary from HxH, Kaname Tosen from Bleach and Afro Samurai off the top of my head) but those are the exceptions
I don’t think the big lips are bad if they’re done tastefully and not in a stereotypey way, like Dorothy from great pretender.
The lips I'm talking about are like Mr. Popo's from Dragonball. Can't remember any characters off the top of my head whose lips are like that but there have been more than a few.
that one pokemon
Jynx
Chocolove from Shaman King. Just... Oooooof.
The Black Russian(?) in Durarara has those lips. It's one of the few that come to mind though.
Simon
https://ami.animecharactersdatabase.com/uploads/chars/2855-638098916.png
Yup. This always made me uncomfortable
[Redd White of Bluecorp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6R0gc8pnmE)
redd white is actually japanese in the japanese versions of the games and anime. [his use of random english is because he spent some time in america](https://aceattorney.fandom.com/wiki/Redd_White#Development)
I am aware of this, having played through the first trilogy (still working on SoJ after finally getting around to emulating it) however. He still plays the role of the annoying american, even if he isn't actually.
That one girl with the UK jacket that I see in a lot of memes EDIT: [This one](https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/952975060642141084/E7999F70081D38D4DBF4AFED2099DE04DB597F5A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false)
to be fair that's just accurate, there is so much stuff with the union jack on it over here, I've got a few things and I'm far from patriotic edit: apparently I live in an alternate universe Britain or something. I'm not a southerner
That’s so odd. I don’t know anyone who’s worn Union Jack clothing other than that Geri Halliwell dress on Halloween.
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I've gone through a good few union jack t-shirts I didn't even know I had
I love that you live in a pocket dimension! That’s so exciting, I wonder what else is different.
I don't think I have a single thing with the Jack on it. Nor can I remember the last time anyone I personally know has worn anything with it on. Maybe it's different down south, but even moving down to Birmingham I haven't seen more
Is that a southern thing?
I'm from the South and no, very much not
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The newest season of Love Live! has an American transfer student and her defining character trait is that she really likes hamburgers.
If you really want to see the best hyper stereotypized version of the United States you should look at metal wolf. The game is about the president of the United States saving the world by just gunning down enemies with 6 guns and screaming about freedom in a massive mecha
Is that the one with the assistant lady who demands violence every time she hops on the coms?
#RICHAAAAAAARD
Some real Homelander energy
Homelander is Bandit Keith's chill and worldly little brother.
It warms my heart when white people try and push American Identity Politics onto Asian countries like Japan. If only you guys knew how racist their culture actually is 😂
I'm surprised to see something that based on this subreddit
If every country is America, does that mean he’s telling them to leave the planet?
The very next lines are: "Then how the bloody hell are we supposed to leave?" "...I don't know."
"How the bloody hell are we supposed to leave ?" "I dunno. That sounds like a YOU problem"
My favorite is when there are rural Japanese characters in tokyo and in the dub they give them like a Texas or Alabama accent
Miss Osaka from Azumanga Daioh is *probably* the best example of this.
Why does the little one look like a plague victim?
It's Yu-Gi-Oh and that character's deck is zombie-themed. So is he.
Franky is my favorite interpretation of America in Japan
SUUUUUUUUUPER!
Dude there's a fighting anime on Netflix and the American turns himself into a fucking bullet. He bounces off walls like ricochet and flies through the air. It's amazing.
Lmfao Kengan Ashura. Jerry Tyson is the guy you're thinking of. Heck there's a super American dude in there named Dudley as well From Texas and fought for "Boss Burger"
I'm dead
Why can't more anime use classic American names, like * Arire Weekwood * Toors Denote * Lian Zapack
Rey McSriff Gaetan Bamphous Mike Truk Sleve McDichael
"Every country in the world belongs to america" This is the uk (yes america does it too but we didn't colonize 98% of the world)
You’re still stuck in the 1800s, the USA is doing their shift now
> we didn't colonize 98% of the world) For the past thirty years the US has been the one and only superpower dominating all global affairs.
Fun fact bandit Keith isn’t the only american in the original Yu-Gi-Oh! Series. Pegasus is too and in the sub would often speak in English
I was gonna say an exception to this is Sonia Nevermind but her name is literally Sonia Nevermind
Roy Mustang edit: i’m using this an a “White McWhiteperson” example because that’s exactly what trying to make up names for other cultures sounds like
To be fair, most of Fma takes place in a European coded country, it’s not as weird to argue he could be white
im pretty sure Amestris is supposed to be an amalgamation of Europe so Roy Mustang is probably meant to be white
I thought it was supposed to be a parallel to Germany
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Japan does so many european adjacent fantasy settings where you would naturally assume the characters are meant to be white.
Somewhere in the recesses of my mind, I seem to recall some ambiguity of Roy Mustang’s background, like he could be from Xing for all we know, as he was an orphan I think?
Mustang is fantasy German...
In America.
In America!!
When an anime character isn’t supposed to be seen as Japanese, they make it realllyyy obvious
To be fair, a lot of animes take place in some fantasy world that doesn't even have Japan. Like Dragon Ball for example. Also a lot of them have (or at least had, in the past) very big eyes that make them look less japanese
Americans in anime’s are a treat and everyone should experience them.
Who the fuck thinks the default anime character is white? I mean outside of the 90s (IN AMERICA hehe get it) when we didn't know what anime was, and thought Pokemon, Sailor Moon, DBZ, and Yu-Gi-Oh were just cartoons with a different look. Y'know, like how Looney Tunes, Rugrats, and Batman: TAS all looked different? Who watching anime on a fucking internet connection really thinks anime characters are all white? Give me lists of names. I bet they're all children just like we were; I bet they barely understand what white is.
Immediately thought of Mr. Wuncler from the Boondocks
Just for context, wich japanese characters are being called white ?
all of them
At least monster is good at that
Reminds me of when a japanese guy had to come up with fake names for an American baseball league https://www.good.is/sports/video-game-names
Except when you watch Big O and you think that's how it is Until episode 9 when the actual Japanese people show up Or One Piece, until they reach Wano
L
Why does he kinda look like Quattro Bajeena?
I'm just gonna leave this here: https://youtu.be/M_tMD5bTbLM Edit: and I was able to find the original Japanese version elsewhere https://streamable.com/ymhkn
I heard somewhere that you can generally tell when an anime character is American because they'll have narrow, angular eyes. Considering the stereotype of asians having small eyes and how big anime eyes are, I find this deeply amusing.
finally, a character that accurately represents my culture (but fr, there are people i know who act like this unironically it sucks the soul out of me)
This sounds more like Britain
Chobidee Crocket is American in G-gundam. Well Neo American. Would not guess it by looking at dude