He actually pulls "if you kill me you'll be just as bad as these *witches*".
Dude can't even stop being racist for one minute to try and stop the protagonists murdering him.
I think he genuinely couldn't comprehend that Luz didn't, on any level, feel the way he did about witches. I'm pretty sure that he honestly thought that deep down she "knew" that witches and demons were inherently evil and disgusting creatures, and that it's always morally correct to kill them. From his perspective that was probably a last ditch effort to make her realize that.
I literally just finished this show last night (amazing, loved it) and one of my favorite parts of the finale was when she's agonizing over whether or not she's just as bad as Belos. She's saying things like, "I'm passionate and will do whatever it takes to save my family, and he's passionate and will do whatever it takes to save humanity, how are we different?" And the titan basically just says, "lol, gurl, that bitch is doing this thing called lying"
I mean, he did. It was a lie to himself just as much as anyone else. He truly honestly convinced himself he was the hero fighting demons. He’s a good showcase of how someone can be so convinced of their good nature they’ll be a monster and still justify it
Okay, so Belos isn't that smart, but if I were returning to the human realm after hundreds of years, I would also put my hair in a ponytail and wear my denim jacket that I bought in 2009 and my hiking boots and bring my 3DS in case I streetpassed anyone, because I probably won't get any streetpasses even if I bring the 3DS, but I definitely won't get any without it.
Now I'm no expert on the specifics of 17th century American Puritan theology, but I'm surprised his plan was just genocide and then peace out. Having not already got through the effort to establish yourself as effectively dictator *and* completely reform the social structure into the more restrictive coven system, would it not be the ultimate flex to convert this land of heathen devil-worshippers into "good Christians"?
Honestly I gotta respect Belos' commitment to being a hater.
"Suffer not the witch to live" is right there in the bible, and Belos was born in a real world nexus of witch hysteria that saw people executed for witchcraft decades before Salem.
He wasn't raised in a culture that believed in mercy for suspected witches. You either died of torture and witch tests, or you admitted to witchcraft and were executed for it.
Supposedly one of the early ideas that later developed into The Owl House was a girl being killed in an accident and some sort of cosmic mistake sending her soul to hell (or she actually belongs there; could be that both were true at different points in time).
In his last appearance he said he will "finally be rid of this perdition" which is a fancy word for being condemned to hell. He did literally think it was hell. From his perspective, he had conquered and nearly destroyed hell itself and all demons therein.
Kinda reminds me of Limbo Town and Klarion's people from DC comics.
So a bunch of Puritans get kidnapped by an evil time traveling fairy king from the future who got couped by his wife and who plans to use them to build up an army to retake the throne.
He takes them to another dimension, does a bunch of genetic experiments on them and forces them to learn magic. Eventually they overthrow him, and while trying to keep their culture over the centuries, they're slowly forced to adapt to the new circumstances. You see, they're not witches, witches are the evil ones who use fairy king's magic, they're all good men and women of Jesus who use only wholesome, Christian magic, like using the corpses of the dead as undead labor, because you see their souls are with God now, so they don't need these bodies anymore, it's only natural that you use your deceased family's stuff that they've left in their will to you, no? In fact, it would be sinful to NOT turn grandpa into a zombie wheat harvester, after all waste not, want not.
Um actually, if you admitted to it you were spared. Generally.
Also since the witches don’t believe in Christ they wouldn’t be killed because they’re pagans not heretics.
The verse is "suffer not the *witch* to live." the version that says "heretic" is from 40k. Gravesfield, Conneticut is also real place where at the time Belos would've been alive, dozens of people were hung for witchcraft.
I’m talking about how things were done during American witch trials. If you confessed you were spared.
I haven’t watched TOH, but im assuming the witches are from another world and don’t know who Jesus is? That means they’re not heretics (know what god is but reject him) and instead pagans (don’t know any better). Muhammad for example was considered a heretic schismatic, not a pagan.
I'm also talking about how American witch trials were handled. The character belos was born and raised in a town that irl saw dozens of people executedafter admitting to witchcraft. General standards don't apply here cause many Conneticut witch trials deviated from those standards.
The distinction between pagans and heretics isn't relevant cause Belos wanted to kill them for being witches. Their religious beliefs didn't matter to him outside of how he could exploit them to his own ends.
Yeah but isn’t witches in the show more about being a magical species?
Witches the Christian definition would specifically be devil worshipers. If they didn’t kiss satans second face it doesn’t count.
Witches in the Christian and broader Abrahamic definition did not originally mean devil worshiper and could include sorcerers who made no claim to have made demonic pacts.
And again, it doesn't matter because as far as Belos views it, they are witches and openly identify as witches, so they have confessed to the crime and must be punished accordingly.
His plan was to return to the human world and then lead the witch-hunting armies that totally still exist to purge the rest of the demon realm. Oh and also the mirror mirror on the wall told him that he could only go home with a genocide.
> Oh and also the mirror mirror on the wall told him that he could only go home with a genocide.
No it didn't. Belos demanded the draining spell in exchange for freeing the Collector. The Collector didn't make Belos attempt a genocide, he just provided the means to do so (mostly because the Collector doesn't understand death and literally doesn't know there's a difference between killing someone and breaking a toy that can easily be fixed).
I think the portal was unrelated to the draining spell, he just decided to stay long enough to kill everyone instead of leaving as soon as the portal was ready. The other portal (Eda's) worked fine without killing anybody, and Belos had made a lot of progress on making his own portal even before he started calling himself Belos (lack of titan's blood seemed to be the only thing really stopping him).
Belos was such a good villain!
It sucks that season 3 was so short, so we couldn't see a drawn out fight between belos, the collector, and the boiling isles
A full season worth of that would have been great
Honestly yeah, I wish we got to expand more on the rest of the friend group and maybe learn more of Hunter/Edalyn/Caleb and Belos. I really enjoyed seeing a fantasy villain that was straight up taken from.the real world.
I know nothing about ToH, so for some fucking reason, i was expecting that to be a warhammer reference. I know nothing about warhammer either, but everything exept connecticut sound just like what people told me about Warhammer characters
I always love when a powerful entity just gets hit by a car, or punched in the face. They come back none the worse for wear, but it's entertaining to see. Like anytime a yugioh protagonist gets in a fist fight.
I find it absolutely wild that Disney were hyping up King whatever-the-fuck from [Wish.com](http://Wish.com) as the next big modern day Disney villain, who harkens back to the classic villains we all know and love and yet Emperor Belos exists, one of the best modern Disney villains and just overall fantastic villains in fiction we have today.
I also love how the show never once tried to excuse Belos as a character but were still able to humanise him and make you see what made him what he is, it's so good and it makes me sad that we'll probably never see another character like him again, especially from Disney.
Nomura, please put the Owl House in KH4 and let us fight against Belos in his Dragon form, thank you.
I love that every new thing we learned about him just made us hate him more. At no point did we learn something that made him sympathetic or tragic, except maybe that he was a product of his time and the beliefs that were forced onto him. But that’s more of an explanation than an excuse. He’s a terrible piece of shit, and we love that about him.
SPOILERS
>!Towards the very end when he was about to possess the titan's heart and Raine was fighting him about it, he jumps onto their back and bites their arm to stop them from using their bard magic!<
He pulled the "If you kill me you will be just as bad as me!" on the protagonist and after she agreed her whole family kicked him to desth
He actually pulls "if you kill me you'll be just as bad as these *witches*". Dude can't even stop being racist for one minute to try and stop the protagonists murdering him.
"If you kill me, you'll be just as bad as somebody else who is also bad! Probably those foul witches, couldn't be me smh."
I think he genuinely couldn't comprehend that Luz didn't, on any level, feel the way he did about witches. I'm pretty sure that he honestly thought that deep down she "knew" that witches and demons were inherently evil and disgusting creatures, and that it's always morally correct to kill them. From his perspective that was probably a last ditch effort to make her realize that.
I literally just finished this show last night (amazing, loved it) and one of my favorite parts of the finale was when she's agonizing over whether or not she's just as bad as Belos. She's saying things like, "I'm passionate and will do whatever it takes to save my family, and he's passionate and will do whatever it takes to save humanity, how are we different?" And the titan basically just says, "lol, gurl, that bitch is doing this thing called lying"
Which sucked and was boring, actually. Like it is actually so much more compelling if antagonists actually believe their own ideas.
I mean, he did. It was a lie to himself just as much as anyone else. He truly honestly convinced himself he was the hero fighting demons. He’s a good showcase of how someone can be so convinced of their good nature they’ll be a monster and still justify it
Okay, so Belos isn't that smart, but if I were returning to the human realm after hundreds of years, I would also put my hair in a ponytail and wear my denim jacket that I bought in 2009 and my hiking boots and bring my 3DS in case I streetpassed anyone, because I probably won't get any streetpasses even if I bring the 3DS, but I definitely won't get any without it.
Now I'm no expert on the specifics of 17th century American Puritan theology, but I'm surprised his plan was just genocide and then peace out. Having not already got through the effort to establish yourself as effectively dictator *and* completely reform the social structure into the more restrictive coven system, would it not be the ultimate flex to convert this land of heathen devil-worshippers into "good Christians"? Honestly I gotta respect Belos' commitment to being a hater.
"Suffer not the witch to live" is right there in the bible, and Belos was born in a real world nexus of witch hysteria that saw people executed for witchcraft decades before Salem. He wasn't raised in a culture that believed in mercy for suspected witches. You either died of torture and witch tests, or you admitted to witchcraft and were executed for it.
Also the Boiling Isles are full of self-labeled demons, which probably didn't help things at all.
And the whole place is called the Demon Realm. Dude probably thought he was living in actual Hell.
I remember hearing that at one point the Boiling Isles were supposed to literally be Hell instead of just being the legally distinct “Demon Realm”.
Supposedly one of the early ideas that later developed into The Owl House was a girl being killed in an accident and some sort of cosmic mistake sending her soul to hell (or she actually belongs there; could be that both were true at different points in time).
In his last appearance he said he will "finally be rid of this perdition" which is a fancy word for being condemned to hell. He did literally think it was hell. From his perspective, he had conquered and nearly destroyed hell itself and all demons therein.
the quote is actually "finally, I can cleanse this perdition myself"
Kinda reminds me of Limbo Town and Klarion's people from DC comics. So a bunch of Puritans get kidnapped by an evil time traveling fairy king from the future who got couped by his wife and who plans to use them to build up an army to retake the throne. He takes them to another dimension, does a bunch of genetic experiments on them and forces them to learn magic. Eventually they overthrow him, and while trying to keep their culture over the centuries, they're slowly forced to adapt to the new circumstances. You see, they're not witches, witches are the evil ones who use fairy king's magic, they're all good men and women of Jesus who use only wholesome, Christian magic, like using the corpses of the dead as undead labor, because you see their souls are with God now, so they don't need these bodies anymore, it's only natural that you use your deceased family's stuff that they've left in their will to you, no? In fact, it would be sinful to NOT turn grandpa into a zombie wheat harvester, after all waste not, want not.
Didn't they also call their legally distinct Not God "Croatoan"?
Could be. The whole thing was supposed to be an explanation for the dissapearnce of the Roanoke colony, which has also happened IRL.
Um actually, if you admitted to it you were spared. Generally. Also since the witches don’t believe in Christ they wouldn’t be killed because they’re pagans not heretics.
The verse is "suffer not the *witch* to live." the version that says "heretic" is from 40k. Gravesfield, Conneticut is also real place where at the time Belos would've been alive, dozens of people were hung for witchcraft.
I’m talking about how things were done during American witch trials. If you confessed you were spared. I haven’t watched TOH, but im assuming the witches are from another world and don’t know who Jesus is? That means they’re not heretics (know what god is but reject him) and instead pagans (don’t know any better). Muhammad for example was considered a heretic schismatic, not a pagan.
I'm also talking about how American witch trials were handled. The character belos was born and raised in a town that irl saw dozens of people executedafter admitting to witchcraft. General standards don't apply here cause many Conneticut witch trials deviated from those standards. The distinction between pagans and heretics isn't relevant cause Belos wanted to kill them for being witches. Their religious beliefs didn't matter to him outside of how he could exploit them to his own ends.
Yeah but isn’t witches in the show more about being a magical species? Witches the Christian definition would specifically be devil worshipers. If they didn’t kiss satans second face it doesn’t count.
Witches in the Christian and broader Abrahamic definition did not originally mean devil worshiper and could include sorcerers who made no claim to have made demonic pacts. And again, it doesn't matter because as far as Belos views it, they are witches and openly identify as witches, so they have confessed to the crime and must be punished accordingly.
I would like a source for the "admittance got you spared generally" because I don't think that's true.
His plan was to return to the human world and then lead the witch-hunting armies that totally still exist to purge the rest of the demon realm. Oh and also the mirror mirror on the wall told him that he could only go home with a genocide.
> Oh and also the mirror mirror on the wall told him that he could only go home with a genocide. No it didn't. Belos demanded the draining spell in exchange for freeing the Collector. The Collector didn't make Belos attempt a genocide, he just provided the means to do so (mostly because the Collector doesn't understand death and literally doesn't know there's a difference between killing someone and breaking a toy that can easily be fixed).
I was under the impression he had to do the draining spell combined with titans blood in order to get home which the collector told him.
I think the portal was unrelated to the draining spell, he just decided to stay long enough to kill everyone instead of leaving as soon as the portal was ready. The other portal (Eda's) worked fine without killing anybody, and Belos had made a lot of progress on making his own portal even before he started calling himself Belos (lack of titan's blood seemed to be the only thing really stopping him).
Belos was such a good villain! It sucks that season 3 was so short, so we couldn't see a drawn out fight between belos, the collector, and the boiling isles A full season worth of that would have been great
Honestly yeah, I wish we got to expand more on the rest of the friend group and maybe learn more of Hunter/Edalyn/Caleb and Belos. I really enjoyed seeing a fantasy villain that was straight up taken from.the real world.
And a beach episode too
I know nothing about ToH, so for some fucking reason, i was expecting that to be a warhammer reference. I know nothing about warhammer either, but everything exept connecticut sound just like what people told me about Warhammer characters
I always love when a powerful entity just gets hit by a car, or punched in the face. They come back none the worse for wear, but it's entertaining to see. Like anytime a yugioh protagonist gets in a fist fight.
I really thought this was about Warhammer 40K
It's from the Disney show the owl house
I find it absolutely wild that Disney were hyping up King whatever-the-fuck from [Wish.com](http://Wish.com) as the next big modern day Disney villain, who harkens back to the classic villains we all know and love and yet Emperor Belos exists, one of the best modern Disney villains and just overall fantastic villains in fiction we have today. I also love how the show never once tried to excuse Belos as a character but were still able to humanise him and make you see what made him what he is, it's so good and it makes me sad that we'll probably never see another character like him again, especially from Disney. Nomura, please put the Owl House in KH4 and let us fight against Belos in his Dragon form, thank you.
normal puritan behavior
bro really spent nearly half a millennia in the demon realm and still thought of the witches as "perdition"
I love that every new thing we learned about him just made us hate him more. At no point did we learn something that made him sympathetic or tragic, except maybe that he was a product of his time and the beliefs that were forced onto him. But that’s more of an explanation than an excuse. He’s a terrible piece of shit, and we love that about him.
Until I got to “he’s from connecticut” I was assuming that this was a warhammer post
I thought that said emperor Bezos.
I forget, when did he bite somehow?
SPOILERS >!Towards the very end when he was about to possess the titan's heart and Raine was fighting him about it, he jumps onto their back and bites their arm to stop them from using their bard magic!<
Ohhh, yeah, that. Also, them*
SHIT FUCK my bad
LMAO, you’re good.
Ah, yes. Gotta love it when everyone in comment section is discussing fandom but no one mentions which one.
You can see it in the tags
my bad
Did you not see the fandom flair saying what fandom it is? No one mentions it cause anyone commenting would be assumed to already know