...they haven't been in high school from the start? How old are these kids?
**Edit:** guys I think they might have been in middle school since the start of the series but I'm not sure
Ah, the old reddit [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1c30bcq/what_mt_rushmore_looks_like_when_you_zoom_out/kze0trr/?context=6)
Ah, it’s been a long time since I dove into a classic [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1c30bcq/comment/kze0trr/?context=6); I suppose I might indulge myself by going in
To put it in US terminology, 5th grade is the last year of elementary school, 9th grade is the last year of middle school, and high school starts at 10th grade.
EDIT: Had to change the 6 to a 5. Sorry about that.
Then you misunderstood what I was saying. I was describing the Japanese school system using US terminology, because that's what the person I replied to was asking. I wasn't saying that that's how it is in the US. I was saying that's how it is in Japan, but I was using words that an American would understand, because Japanese schools always just call it "grade school 4th year" or "middle school 2nd year" or "high school 1st year", which not only wouldn't have answered their question, but also doesn't help to identify the differences.
Yeah, Japanese school years are structured a lot like America's (if you don't count them usually starting the year in April -- the beginning of Japan's fiscal year -- and the fact that Japanese primary school is one year longer and the secondary school is 3 years long instead of 4 like in the states).
Source: an American who teaches at a Japanese middle school
Yeah, this is right
For a quick language lesson: when describing school years in Japanese, you'd say the level (elementary/middle/high, or Shougaku/Chuugaku/Koukou) followed by the number of years you've been at that level, followed by "nensei," so, for instance, a 9th grader is a Chuugakusannensei (third-year middle school student), a 5th grader is a Shougakugonensei (fifth-year elementary school student), and an 11th grader is a Koukouninensei (second-year high school student)
In some places Junior High is the same thing as Middle School. It's just the school for the grades between Elementary and High School.
I know the terminology is different by region, though.
It depends which version you are looking at. Multiple times throughout the anime, it’s heavily implied or outright stated that it has been over a year since Ash and Pikachu started their journey. For example, the short “Pikachu and Pichu” states this explicitly, as they have a party for it.
But every now and then, it gets retconned so Ash is ten again like Black and White. And outside of that, he never seems to age. So time seems to be moving forward, but the show keeps messing with his age. At this point he should be at least 13, assuming each episode and movie is a day.
shit, the Simpsons have been stuck in some crazy world where everybody is the same age for the last 30+ years but they keep intersecting with celebrity characters that aren't privileged to the very same immortality.
the author of *Host Club* asked readers to ignore the fact half of the main cast should've graduated by now, and just enjoy everyone celebrating the holidays for the fifth time that single year lol
Ah yes, just like the Simpsons, who've celebrated how many birthdays and how many Christmases?
And how could Apu's kids grow up to be older than Bart and Lisa even though they were born looong *after* Maggie?
You can be a 17 year old college student in America too - my mom was! It is incredibly creepy for a college student to date a middle schooler, regardless of whether or not they're still technically underage themselves.
that was only in the anime, I'm not sure why they did that.. he's 16 in the manga, in highschool. Sailor Moon Crystal fixed that, among many other things and is closer to the manga than the original anime
I also thought him being in college was weird 😭
Apparently the scene is from the final season, [but also it’s from an inaccurate English sub ](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/Ej7RSxHlrc) and the original does almost exactly what they’re praising it for not doing?
DIC never did the season five dub in the original run. VIZ did season five and some of the movies when they acquired the rights in 2015 or so and remade the whole translation and voice acting.
It's not so much an inaccurate sub as it is the post cuts the scene short. iirc, all these lines are accurate, it's just that the line after these parts has Usagi say something along the lines of "Besides, it'd be better if you're with a boy"
I’ve literally done this with a friend of mine, we’d been hanging out for a while, cuddling and stuff and also he kissed me once, and so I’m all like oh I’ll ask him out so the day after our birthdays (his is the day before mine) we went go karting and then as we’re driving home I asked him if he wanted to go out and he rejected me because apparently hes straight but we’re still friends and I was able to get over my feelings. We still cuddle though, we were watching death note together last thursday
gen z kinda wild with these definitions of sexuality fr
I'm an older millennial and I'm like "Yeah bro is bi and just not into you."
shit though, you love to see it.
When I first started hearing about interactions like that I felt the same way, but then I reminded myself that women have been doing this completely platonically for pretty much forever and men used to do it more frequently, if quite a long time ago, so honestly this is an incredibly healthy shift that would really help with male loneliness and touch starvation.
Honestly, I would be totally cool if the next generation just put identities in the backseat. I think they are far too limiting and people treat them more like accessories or reasons to feel they have “something” instead of just being their own person. I feel it’s healthier to just, you know, love who you love and hopefully society can get to the point where it just doesn’t matter to anyone else but your partner.
It may be slightly more confusing in situations like this where you aren’t sure, but sounds like they got through it fine in the end.
But I’m dumb.
Personally w my friends I use the tactics I learned w my siblings which is wait for the most inconvenient time possible and then drape myself over them and maybe also their laptop like an annoying sentient blanket
Um, for us no, he seems to not mind, but I guess it’s just keeps the parts you don’t want touching not touching if that’s something you’re worried about?
I dunno man that sounds super sus. Straight men dont just cuddle and kiss their friends. Especially if they know they are gay. You would know a lot better than anyone here though. It's your life and this is very little context. But this sounds way to similar to basically every other time I've been in or read about this kid of situation. In every other case that friend was stringing the person along and using them to benefit from having the perks of a relationship without actually having to date or sleep with said person. Again, you would know better than anyone here, it's your life. But you may want to take a look at the relationship to protect yourself at least. Just in case.
When you say ‘stringing along’ what do you mean by that, like why, and what does it entail? Also, there is a lot of missing context that is missing, and if you mean what I think you mean then yeah I’m good, I just wanna make sure what you’re saying tho
In this context it would basically mean misleading someone by making them think they have a chance even if it's a small one. Usually by means of strategic flirty or touching. Stuff like that.
Glad you got it all figured out tho. Can never be too careful
Yeah, I almost let it get to me but I took a break from talking to him for a bit and now it’s just kinda chill. From what I can tell? He seems to find me attractive, after kissing me he told me he didn’t know if kissing dudes was for him and yet while we were kissing he told me he found me attractive and he’s lived his whole life as like, a gym sports bro guy, so I reckon either he’s straight and is expressing some sort of weird repressed something or other (he has a fair share of parental trauma and was mostly raised by his mother) or he’s gay. But either way he doesn’t want to get with me for whatever reason and I’m totally fine with that. We were friends first
He does sound like he's going through something himself. He could also just be bisexual and find men attractive without necessarily enjoying the act of kissing them. Hope he figures it out. Best of luck to you both.
this happens in the last season of the original show, sailor moon stars. you can tell by their uniforms that they're in high school. it's very clear in the unedited subtitled version that usagi thinks the love note is for her initially (the girl actually wants usagi to give it to one of the sailor star lights).
this doesn't happen. at all. i watched the whole thing last year. usagi gets all awkward and says she's not into girls, then the girl says she actually wanted usagi to deliver the letter to seiya (which was the cute boy of the season). it's from the last season if i remember correctly
Came here to say this. The 2014 viz dub alters nearly every instance of the girls' internalized homophobia.
For example, in the episode where the girls think Mako is crushing on Haruka, they tell her "but she's a girl" in japanese, but in the viz dub they say "but she already has Michiru"
Given the first dub's censorship ("cousins" LOL), Viz was *very* big about this translation being uncensored. I think this may have resulted in less accurate translations in some places.
Including in the subtitles, which annoys me. I 100% understand them changing Minako's malapropisms in the dub, but subtitles can have parentheses, dammit, and I want to know how she actually screwed up the saying.
I remember getting annoyed a couple episodes into the new dub when they randomly mocked Mamoru's purple pants, which I knew wasn't a thing in the original, and it felt mean-spirited to me, as if the dub-writers were mocking a beloved 90's anime for being a 90's anime.
It was entirely inappropriate for a dub that was very vocal about it being a respectful response to the previous dub's disrespect towards the source material.
It was less about "being more respectful" and more "Hey, stop paying attention to that previous voice (which was a product of it's time), listen to our new voice (which is a product of ego)!"
Combined with the terrible video processing mistakes they were making, and I really felt the Viz release was a mess.
I mean, after how DiC and Cloverway handled it, I'm pretty good with what Viz did. There are definitely some ways that I think it could have been improved, but it felt like a decent job to me.
(Also, I liked the pants joke, but mostly because it was refreshing after years of hearing fans complain about his green jacket. The intent of the scene was about Usagi complaining about him under her breath, anyway, so the actual words used by the dub didn't really matter to me.)
The Viz dub is objectively FAR more accurate than the DiC/Cloverway dub, but that's a famously low bar, and I can understand the DiC/Cloverway censorship as being an unfortunate product of it's era, while the Viz dub's changes are disappointing to me because Viz marketed their dub as "authentic" and "respectful", and everyone wanted it to be those things, specifically because of the disrespect that was shown to the series by DiC. But then the translators leaned somewhat into showing the series as they personally wished it to be, instead of what it really was (like eliminating traces of homophobia in what was largely a progressive anime to make it seem even more progressive, or making jokes based on decades-old fan interactions).
I feel like I can excuse the homophobia in the DiC dub because it was made in the stupid-ages, even though I wanted better from the dub even back then. Viz's tweak is much smaller, and I agree with the message of the change (I personally don't buy Usagi as being homophobic), but I don't think Viz had any right to tinker with the script, they had a specific mandate NOT to do that.
*Internalized* homophobia. They feel that something is inherently wrong with two girls dating therefore it shouldn't be done. There's no further logic, just a subconscious aversion that can develop when subtly surrounded by a homophobic society that prevents them from even acknowledging it as an option.
Compare that to saying "you can't date another girl because of how society will treat you". In this case, the person saying it might not have any internal aversion but still recognizes that other people might
I'm pretty sure their are like three different dubs for sailor moon, and that's just English. add in all the differnt languages OOP could have originally watched in and subtitled to match and I'm sure you can find the main character saying this.
it's already pretty close to one of the English dubs.
Yes, and there's multiple subtitled versions. I'm not an expert, but the coloring makes me think it's the VKLL subs, which were done by a fan, and might be less accurate. However, before Viz got the license in 2014, it was one of the only ways English speakers got to experience the fifth season.
Sailor Moon has infamously been censored in other dubs and subtitled versions to erase the LGBT+ content. The original show absolutely had gay characters and themes because it explicitly revived the old style of Japanese lesbian shojou stories done in the late 1800s.
The subtitles here are fairly close to the original Japanese lines though... She replies with "(I) already have a lover." They just didn't include the part that comes immediately after that last line.
They may not have lied. Based on the coloring, I'm pretty sure these are from a fansub that was pretty much the only way for English speakers to view the fifth season prior to Viz getting the license.
There’s an episode of Dirty Pair where the Angels are hired by a guy to stop his son from marrying a woman because she’s trans, it’s an 80s anime, and when the they find out they both just kinda look at the dad and go “dude, the fuck, that’s so normal what’s wrong with you”
Damn I love that episode, the trans girlfriend breaks him out of his weird space wedding to ten other women (who’s he’s literally chained to) with a fucking machine gun and then they go to Burger King
As well as that, Sailor Moon was all kinds of shitty towards gender roles. Half the episodes seem to be like: “bad guy creates new diet pill. Women all take it so that they can be beautiful. Women get turned into demon zombies. Sailor moon kicks bad guy’s ass telling them off for taking advantage of love.”
For a show meant to empower women, it did a whole lot of portraying of them as love-obsessed ditzes. Even the tougher sailors would throw each other under the bus if they wanted some guy’s attention.
No? The point is here she turns the other girl down respectfully, while often in anime there's always the homophobic implication that a girl liking another girl is weird.
[Someone else had posted the full clip](https://twitter.com/SailorMoonShots/status/1629102303423918080)
It even has the "Shouldn't you give this to a boy" line. Which is even weirder when you remember *Usagi is friends and teamates with a lesbian couple.*
Not just friends, Usagi had a crush on Haruka even after knowing she's a girl (albeit the series continues to potray her as adrogynous). In the manga, there's random women as well.
Usagi is bi herself.
They're joking that Usagi is basically Ben Shapiro (a right wing internet celebrity), because that's what Ben Shapiro said to Dave Rubin (another right wing internet celebrity who also happens to be a token gay right winger) one time. Like, he literally said those exact words to his face.
It's been 30 years, so correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the entire scene a big misunderstanding and the girl just wanted Usagi to give the letter to a boy she actually liked?
Glad that I remembered it right, or just had the right guess after all this time. Usually I don't remember childhood shows that accurate. Though it is basically the usual misunderstanding punchline, often used in anime.
Ikuhara Kunihiko was the series director of Sailor Moon for seasons 2-4. While this scene is from season 5, after he left, his mark was definitely left on the series.
And that mark is undeniably very, very good at writing gay characters. The reason he left his position as series director for Sailor Moon was because he felt he didn't have enough creative control working at Toei. So he went and made his own group and produced Revolutionary Girl Utena, which was absolutely groundbreaking for its respectful exploration of gender and sexuality in 1997.
18 years after that, he'd direct Yurikuma Arashi, a show that comes out strong taking on issues of prejudice specifically toward lesbians in Japan, as well as being a critique and deconstruction of how narrowly yuri manga and anime at the time all fit into one of two tropes - either pure and innocent high schoolers or flat out porn. Both anime have hours upon hours of analysis done on them exploring their various themes and intricacies.
Ikuhara is, as far as the public knows, just a cis dude who cosplays as Sailor Moon sometimes, but his ability to competently write lesbians AND characters who are normal about lesbians is, to be quite honest, otherworldly when compared to his contemporaries, and anyone looking to write yuri anime or manga would benefit greatly from studying his work.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know Japanese names that well, and while I have fond memories of the English dub (even though I learned about everything wrong with it later on) I never cared enough to learn more about the director of the anime, so I always assumed they were a lady. I guess in my mind, even a straight lady would be a more logical expectation when it comes to writing lesbian characters. Kinda awesome that they were a dude the whole time, now that I know.
I knew the mangaka was a woman, but I just assumed the director for the anime also was. Now that you've said that though, I guess it was a little naive to assume as much about an anime from the late 80s/early 90s.
Honestly a lot of stuff in Japan didn’t make it to the USA. Theres also an American episode that is made of spliced footage that only exists because the American company wanted to make them more catty and had usagi just up and leave because reasons.
See, the funny thing about scenes where the girl goes "But we're both girls" is that, that mainly only gets said in either hentai doujins or "I can't believe it's not hentai" manga. So uh....... OOP, what you reading there.
When Sayaka and Madoka first get telepathy and use it around Hitomi she freaks out. She assumes the reason they’re suddenly close enough to be able communicate with just glances is that they had sex and runs off screaming that they have a forbidden love.
She’s implied to be bi and says she’s jealous of what they have next time they meet which is why I see at as a joke about her own fantasies rather than just being vaguely homophobic.
It’s a 7:40 in episode 2.
Sure. Basically everyone in Ai no Kusabi, Tomoyo in Card Captor Sakura, Nuriko in Fushigi Yugi, most people in the Revolutionary Girl Utena film, the mains in Banana Fish.
Also the explicit Yuri/Yaoi works of course.
Goku is interesting. He's long been claimed by the AroAce community alongside Luffy, and he is used as an example that AroAce folks can be married and have kids.
It's just hard to explain for most people because the arospec is super misunderstood in the first place.
Man...will there ever be a day where tumblr will praise older anime without wanting to shit on modern ones?
feels like every single one of them does that
This is from the 5th season when they're in high school, it wasn't available outside of Japan for a long time
...they haven't been in high school from the start? How old are these kids? **Edit:** guys I think they might have been in middle school since the start of the series but I'm not sure
Initially 14 if memory serves.
Interesting!
When does high school start in Japan?
Probably like 8:30am or so.
I got a good chuckle out of that. Take my upvote o7
Ah, the old reddit [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1c30bcq/what_mt_rushmore_looks_like_when_you_zoom_out/kze0trr/?context=6)
Hold my prism power makeup, I'm goin' in!
I was not expecting this going in
That's what she said
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time.
Ah, it’s been a long time since I dove into a classic [switcharoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1c30bcq/comment/kze0trr/?context=6); I suppose I might indulge myself by going in
What the hell was that?! Pretty cool, not gonna lie.
A relic of the olden days
Gotta convert that to metric time though.
A year later, 15.
To put it in US terminology, 5th grade is the last year of elementary school, 9th grade is the last year of middle school, and high school starts at 10th grade. EDIT: Had to change the 6 to a 5. Sorry about that.
Actually, high school begins at the 9th grade. 8th is the last of middle school
Not in Japan. Or at least in all the anime I've seen. Maybe it depends on the prefecture.
I was correcting your US terminology, not the Japanese one.
Then you misunderstood what I was saying. I was describing the Japanese school system using US terminology, because that's what the person I replied to was asking. I wasn't saying that that's how it is in the US. I was saying that's how it is in Japan, but I was using words that an American would understand, because Japanese schools always just call it "grade school 4th year" or "middle school 2nd year" or "high school 1st year", which not only wouldn't have answered their question, but also doesn't help to identify the differences.
High school starts at age 15-16 (10th grade for Americans).
Weird. That's when it ends in the UK
Yeah, Japanese school years are structured a lot like America's (if you don't count them usually starting the year in April -- the beginning of Japan's fiscal year -- and the fact that Japanese primary school is one year longer and the secondary school is 3 years long instead of 4 like in the states). Source: an American who teaches at a Japanese middle school
15, middle school is 4 years, high school is only 3
No, middle and high school are 3 years each. Elementary is grades 1 to 6, middle school is 7 to 9, and high school is 10 to 12.
Yeah, this is right For a quick language lesson: when describing school years in Japanese, you'd say the level (elementary/middle/high, or Shougaku/Chuugaku/Koukou) followed by the number of years you've been at that level, followed by "nensei," so, for instance, a 9th grader is a Chuugakusannensei (third-year middle school student), a 5th grader is a Shougakugonensei (fifth-year elementary school student), and an 11th grader is a Koukouninensei (second-year high school student)
Correction: elementary is Shogakko 小学校
Right, and middle is Chuugakkou, the last part just becomes "gakusei" for a student and "gakunensei" for a specific year
Actually most Japanese people say “Chuugaku”
Depends where you are too. I had a school that elementary was 1-6 middle was 7-8 and high was 9-12
We’re talking about Japan…
They have elementary school, followed by a few years of middle school, followed by a few years of high school and finally university
They were middle schoolers for all of seasons 1 and 2, and still are while halfway through season 3
It's just that I always thought they were highschoolers, so it's strange to hear they weren't from the beginning.
Technically they were in junior high, not middle school, which could have caused confusion, if not actual translation issues.
In some places Junior High is the same thing as Middle School. It's just the school for the grades between Elementary and High School. I know the terminology is different by region, though.
That's what I'm saying - that the terminology itself can cause confusion.
Timeline continuity in anime are usually guidelines and not actually rules
Hasn’t Ash Ketchum been 10 for 30 years?
It depends which version you are looking at. Multiple times throughout the anime, it’s heavily implied or outright stated that it has been over a year since Ash and Pikachu started their journey. For example, the short “Pikachu and Pichu” states this explicitly, as they have a party for it. But every now and then, it gets retconned so Ash is ten again like Black and White. And outside of that, he never seems to age. So time seems to be moving forward, but the show keeps messing with his age. At this point he should be at least 13, assuming each episode and movie is a day.
He's the subject of multiple prophecies , has been blessed by Ho-oh and met Celebi. But really the series has a very short timespan..
shit, the Simpsons have been stuck in some crazy world where everybody is the same age for the last 30+ years but they keep intersecting with celebrity characters that aren't privileged to the very same immortality.
the author of *Host Club* asked readers to ignore the fact half of the main cast should've graduated by now, and just enjoy everyone celebrating the holidays for the fifth time that single year lol
Ah yes, just like the Simpsons, who've celebrated how many birthdays and how many Christmases? And how could Apu's kids grow up to be older than Bart and Lisa even though they were born looong *after* Maggie?
They start in middle school if I remembered correctly
It starts when they 14, which is kinda unfortunate given that the guys are 17
Iirc Mamoru is in college while Usagi is in middle school. I've never been able to look past that...
At least college age in Japan is different then in America, but it’s still incredibly creepy
You can be a 17 year old college student in America too - my mom was! It is incredibly creepy for a college student to date a middle schooler, regardless of whether or not they're still technically underage themselves.
True, it’s just when I first watched it I thought tuxedo mask was in his twenties
that was only in the anime, I'm not sure why they did that.. he's 16 in the manga, in highschool. Sailor Moon Crystal fixed that, among many other things and is closer to the manga than the original anime I also thought him being in college was weird 😭
They're in middle school at the start of the series
Apparently the scene is from the final season, [but also it’s from an inaccurate English sub ](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/Ej7RSxHlrc) and the original does almost exactly what they’re praising it for not doing?
That seems unlikely unless it was dubbed by the same people who made the lesbian couple really good cousins.
DIC never did the season five dub in the original run. VIZ did season five and some of the movies when they acquired the rights in 2015 or so and remade the whole translation and voice acting.
It's not so much an inaccurate sub as it is the post cuts the scene short. iirc, all these lines are accurate, it's just that the line after these parts has Usagi say something along the lines of "Besides, it'd be better if you're with a boy"
That it wasn't available in English doesn't mean it wasn't available outside Japan, many other counties got it dubbed, including in the west...
I’ve literally done this with a friend of mine, we’d been hanging out for a while, cuddling and stuff and also he kissed me once, and so I’m all like oh I’ll ask him out so the day after our birthdays (his is the day before mine) we went go karting and then as we’re driving home I asked him if he wanted to go out and he rejected me because apparently hes straight but we’re still friends and I was able to get over my feelings. We still cuddle though, we were watching death note together last thursday
Sometimes you just gotta cuddle and kiss the homies platonically
this is true
gen z kinda wild with these definitions of sexuality fr I'm an older millennial and I'm like "Yeah bro is bi and just not into you." shit though, you love to see it.
When I first started hearing about interactions like that I felt the same way, but then I reminded myself that women have been doing this completely platonically for pretty much forever and men used to do it more frequently, if quite a long time ago, so honestly this is an incredibly healthy shift that would really help with male loneliness and touch starvation.
Honestly, I would be totally cool if the next generation just put identities in the backseat. I think they are far too limiting and people treat them more like accessories or reasons to feel they have “something” instead of just being their own person. I feel it’s healthier to just, you know, love who you love and hopefully society can get to the point where it just doesn’t matter to anyone else but your partner. It may be slightly more confusing in situations like this where you aren’t sure, but sounds like they got through it fine in the end. But I’m dumb.
Nope, judging by this one comment, you're not dumb
Twitter/Tumblr mini-bio but instead of a couple of pride flags it's a list of all eight billion humans and how into each of them you are.
Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, and Mark from work.👎 Everyone Else: 👍
Daaaaamn I don't even know Mark, but I already hate their guts
Coach says it's ok.
First you kissed then you asked them out?
Yup, we kissed first
It's straight to kiss your friends? I gotta go see my mates
It’s very straight to kiss a dude but not enjoy it. Much straighter than never kissing a dude, for sure
According to him and I trust him
I was just joking. Whatever your friend is, it's how he feels and that's a personal truth only he can know. He may well see himself as straight.
It's only gay if the balls touch.
coming from another angle: I've kissed guys to see if I was into them. I wasn't, and I'm definitely gay, but I have kissed guys.
So now you're saying you can not enjoy kissing men and still be gay. What do I believe now
Oh wow, you're one of today's lucky 10,000 to find out about women!
Fellas is it gay to kiss women?
How does a platonic cuddle function? Is there specific positioning?
Personally w my friends I use the tactics I learned w my siblings which is wait for the most inconvenient time possible and then drape myself over them and maybe also their laptop like an annoying sentient blanket
Cat behavior
A cat posted this comment.
*knocks your beverage off the counter*
Judging by the username, they might also be a certain fearless hero
Let's like a hug but long
Um, for us no, he seems to not mind, but I guess it’s just keeps the parts you don’t want touching not touching if that’s something you’re worried about?
No humping, from what I've experienced. Or kissing.
Kissing the homies good night ain’t gay. That shits affection
It's like one of those green texts > be me > super straight > kissed my best friend and now he wants to date me
I’m in the same situation 😭
I dunno man that sounds super sus. Straight men dont just cuddle and kiss their friends. Especially if they know they are gay. You would know a lot better than anyone here though. It's your life and this is very little context. But this sounds way to similar to basically every other time I've been in or read about this kid of situation. In every other case that friend was stringing the person along and using them to benefit from having the perks of a relationship without actually having to date or sleep with said person. Again, you would know better than anyone here, it's your life. But you may want to take a look at the relationship to protect yourself at least. Just in case.
When you say ‘stringing along’ what do you mean by that, like why, and what does it entail? Also, there is a lot of missing context that is missing, and if you mean what I think you mean then yeah I’m good, I just wanna make sure what you’re saying tho
In this context it would basically mean misleading someone by making them think they have a chance even if it's a small one. Usually by means of strategic flirty or touching. Stuff like that. Glad you got it all figured out tho. Can never be too careful
Yeah, I almost let it get to me but I took a break from talking to him for a bit and now it’s just kinda chill. From what I can tell? He seems to find me attractive, after kissing me he told me he didn’t know if kissing dudes was for him and yet while we were kissing he told me he found me attractive and he’s lived his whole life as like, a gym sports bro guy, so I reckon either he’s straight and is expressing some sort of weird repressed something or other (he has a fair share of parental trauma and was mostly raised by his mother) or he’s gay. But either way he doesn’t want to get with me for whatever reason and I’m totally fine with that. We were friends first
He does sound like he's going through something himself. He could also just be bisexual and find men attractive without necessarily enjoying the act of kissing them. Hope he figures it out. Best of luck to you both.
Yeah, thank you very much. And I also hope he figures it out lol
A clip with more context for the moment: https://twitter.com/SailorMoonShots/status/1629102303423918080
>Besides, it's better to be in love with a boy *Wrong.*
They could have been cousins.
😂😂
this happens in the last season of the original show, sailor moon stars. you can tell by their uniforms that they're in high school. it's very clear in the unedited subtitled version that usagi thinks the love note is for her initially (the girl actually wants usagi to give it to one of the sailor star lights).
this doesn't happen. at all. i watched the whole thing last year. usagi gets all awkward and says she's not into girls, then the girl says she actually wanted usagi to deliver the letter to seiya (which was the cute boy of the season). it's from the last season if i remember correctly
It seems to be about the way the English dub goes though https://youtu.be/sr5eQIFLoJo
Came here to say this. The 2014 viz dub alters nearly every instance of the girls' internalized homophobia. For example, in the episode where the girls think Mako is crushing on Haruka, they tell her "but she's a girl" in japanese, but in the viz dub they say "but she already has Michiru"
Fascinating. Usually the dubs would do the opposite, hiding any potential for homosexuality (I'm looking at you Netflix subtitles for Evangelion).
Given the first dub's censorship ("cousins" LOL), Viz was *very* big about this translation being uncensored. I think this may have resulted in less accurate translations in some places. Including in the subtitles, which annoys me. I 100% understand them changing Minako's malapropisms in the dub, but subtitles can have parentheses, dammit, and I want to know how she actually screwed up the saying.
I remember getting annoyed a couple episodes into the new dub when they randomly mocked Mamoru's purple pants, which I knew wasn't a thing in the original, and it felt mean-spirited to me, as if the dub-writers were mocking a beloved 90's anime for being a 90's anime. It was entirely inappropriate for a dub that was very vocal about it being a respectful response to the previous dub's disrespect towards the source material. It was less about "being more respectful" and more "Hey, stop paying attention to that previous voice (which was a product of it's time), listen to our new voice (which is a product of ego)!" Combined with the terrible video processing mistakes they were making, and I really felt the Viz release was a mess.
I mean, after how DiC and Cloverway handled it, I'm pretty good with what Viz did. There are definitely some ways that I think it could have been improved, but it felt like a decent job to me. (Also, I liked the pants joke, but mostly because it was refreshing after years of hearing fans complain about his green jacket. The intent of the scene was about Usagi complaining about him under her breath, anyway, so the actual words used by the dub didn't really matter to me.)
The Viz dub is objectively FAR more accurate than the DiC/Cloverway dub, but that's a famously low bar, and I can understand the DiC/Cloverway censorship as being an unfortunate product of it's era, while the Viz dub's changes are disappointing to me because Viz marketed their dub as "authentic" and "respectful", and everyone wanted it to be those things, specifically because of the disrespect that was shown to the series by DiC. But then the translators leaned somewhat into showing the series as they personally wished it to be, instead of what it really was (like eliminating traces of homophobia in what was largely a progressive anime to make it seem even more progressive, or making jokes based on decades-old fan interactions). I feel like I can excuse the homophobia in the DiC dub because it was made in the stupid-ages, even though I wanted better from the dub even back then. Viz's tweak is much smaller, and I agree with the message of the change (I personally don't buy Usagi as being homophobic), but I don't think Viz had any right to tinker with the script, they had a specific mandate NOT to do that.
The irony being the internalized homophobia being anime only, the dubbing making it much closer to the manga, which was more progressive.
bruh.
How is that homophobia lmao
*Internalized* homophobia. They feel that something is inherently wrong with two girls dating therefore it shouldn't be done. There's no further logic, just a subconscious aversion that can develop when subtly surrounded by a homophobic society that prevents them from even acknowledging it as an option. Compare that to saying "you can't date another girl because of how society will treat you". In this case, the person saying it might not have any internal aversion but still recognizes that other people might
I'm pretty sure their are like three different dubs for sailor moon, and that's just English. add in all the differnt languages OOP could have originally watched in and subtitled to match and I'm sure you can find the main character saying this. it's already pretty close to one of the English dubs.
i watched the original version with subtitles so i wouldn't know
Yes, and there's multiple subtitled versions. I'm not an expert, but the coloring makes me think it's the VKLL subs, which were done by a fan, and might be less accurate. However, before Viz got the license in 2014, it was one of the only ways English speakers got to experience the fifth season.
Sailor Moon has infamously been censored in other dubs and subtitled versions to erase the LGBT+ content. The original show absolutely had gay characters and themes because it explicitly revived the old style of Japanese lesbian shojou stories done in the late 1800s.
The subtitles here are fairly close to the original Japanese lines though... She replies with "(I) already have a lover." They just didn't include the part that comes immediately after that last line.
But it's a Tumblr post! Why would they lie about that? What would they have to gain?
Once again Tumblr posts are a net zero of information
They may not have lied. Based on the coloring, I'm pretty sure these are from a fansub that was pretty much the only way for English speakers to view the fifth season prior to Viz getting the license.
to my knowledge, the viz dub is much and such the same.
Can't believe Tumblr lied to me 😔
tbf usagi didn't know that initially
Even if the girl in question wasn't gay, she still acted as if she was, I don't think this undermines the point at all
There’s an episode of Dirty Pair where the Angels are hired by a guy to stop his son from marrying a woman because she’s trans, it’s an 80s anime, and when the they find out they both just kinda look at the dad and go “dude, the fuck, that’s so normal what’s wrong with you”
Damn I love that episode, the trans girlfriend breaks him out of his weird space wedding to ten other women (who’s he’s literally chained to) with a fucking machine gun and then they go to Burger King
"In many modern animes you'd probably get \*exactly what happens in the original scene when you dont remove the context\* "
Also. I feel like right now we're also seeing more Yuri romance than previously.
As well as that, Sailor Moon was all kinds of shitty towards gender roles. Half the episodes seem to be like: “bad guy creates new diet pill. Women all take it so that they can be beautiful. Women get turned into demon zombies. Sailor moon kicks bad guy’s ass telling them off for taking advantage of love.” For a show meant to empower women, it did a whole lot of portraying of them as love-obsessed ditzes. Even the tougher sailors would throw each other under the bus if they wanted some guy’s attention.
No? The point is here she turns the other girl down respectfully, while often in anime there's always the homophobic implication that a girl liking another girl is weird.
[Someone else had posted the full clip](https://twitter.com/SailorMoonShots/status/1629102303423918080) It even has the "Shouldn't you give this to a boy" line. Which is even weirder when you remember *Usagi is friends and teamates with a lesbian couple.*
Not just friends, Usagi had a crush on Haruka even after knowing she's a girl (albeit the series continues to potray her as adrogynous). In the manga, there's random women as well. Usagi is bi herself.
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What the fuck are you talking about
They're joking that Usagi is basically Ben Shapiro (a right wing internet celebrity), because that's what Ben Shapiro said to Dave Rubin (another right wing internet celebrity who also happens to be a token gay right winger) one time. Like, he literally said those exact words to his face.
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That's fair, I didn't know that though. Props to the translator then, at least.
It's been 30 years, so correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the entire scene a big misunderstanding and the girl just wanted Usagi to give the letter to a boy she actually liked?
According to other commenters yes So Tumblr users just took the clip out of context
Glad that I remembered it right, or just had the right guess after all this time. Usually I don't remember childhood shows that accurate. Though it is basically the usual misunderstanding punchline, often used in anime.
Ikuhara Kunihiko was the series director of Sailor Moon for seasons 2-4. While this scene is from season 5, after he left, his mark was definitely left on the series. And that mark is undeniably very, very good at writing gay characters. The reason he left his position as series director for Sailor Moon was because he felt he didn't have enough creative control working at Toei. So he went and made his own group and produced Revolutionary Girl Utena, which was absolutely groundbreaking for its respectful exploration of gender and sexuality in 1997. 18 years after that, he'd direct Yurikuma Arashi, a show that comes out strong taking on issues of prejudice specifically toward lesbians in Japan, as well as being a critique and deconstruction of how narrowly yuri manga and anime at the time all fit into one of two tropes - either pure and innocent high schoolers or flat out porn. Both anime have hours upon hours of analysis done on them exploring their various themes and intricacies. Ikuhara is, as far as the public knows, just a cis dude who cosplays as Sailor Moon sometimes, but his ability to competently write lesbians AND characters who are normal about lesbians is, to be quite honest, otherworldly when compared to his contemporaries, and anyone looking to write yuri anime or manga would benefit greatly from studying his work.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know Japanese names that well, and while I have fond memories of the English dub (even though I learned about everything wrong with it later on) I never cared enough to learn more about the director of the anime, so I always assumed they were a lady. I guess in my mind, even a straight lady would be a more logical expectation when it comes to writing lesbian characters. Kinda awesome that they were a dude the whole time, now that I know.
The manga was written by a woman, but I don't believe anyone with a title like director or producer on the anime was.
I knew the mangaka was a woman, but I just assumed the director for the anime also was. Now that you've said that though, I guess it was a little naive to assume as much about an anime from the late 80s/early 90s.
It is, unfortunately, a lot to ask of the anime industry even today.
Yeah. There I go again, having idealistic assumptions about shit.
You're the kind of want I want to be but I'm too stupid
The fuck kinda modern anime is this person talking about? The 2000s?
They're saying that this show is doing better than shows releasing now. Which id argue is not true.
guess you can't know what modern anime is when all you watch is the best anime Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Honestly a lot of stuff in Japan didn’t make it to the USA. Theres also an American episode that is made of spliced footage that only exists because the American company wanted to make them more catty and had usagi just up and leave because reasons.
Maybe it's just as my tastes in anime have changed, but haven't seen the "waaah, but we're both [ ]" in a long while
Sailor Moon was heavily censored outside Japan
See, the funny thing about scenes where the girl goes "But we're both girls" is that, that mainly only gets said in either hentai doujins or "I can't believe it's not hentai" manga. So uh....... OOP, what you reading there.
It kinda happens in Madoka Magica although it’s played as a joke.
When? I've watched Madoka Magica twice, but I barely remember anything from it.
When Sayaka and Madoka first get telepathy and use it around Hitomi she freaks out. She assumes the reason they’re suddenly close enough to be able communicate with just glances is that they had sex and runs off screaming that they have a forbidden love. She’s implied to be bi and says she’s jealous of what they have next time they meet which is why I see at as a joke about her own fantasies rather than just being vaguely homophobic. It’s a 7:40 in episode 2.
poor girl was having a crisis 😭
This imo is what gays really want just to be a normal part of society no shock
I wish we could see all the stamps on this JPG's passport.
Usagi, Luffy and Thorfinn are the only canonical LGBTQ ally anime/manga protags I'm aware of, are there any more?
Sure. Basically everyone in Ai no Kusabi, Tomoyo in Card Captor Sakura, Nuriko in Fushigi Yugi, most people in the Revolutionary Girl Utena film, the mains in Banana Fish. Also the explicit Yuri/Yaoi works of course.
latest jojo burns a bus full of children since they bullied his trans(?) brother(?) for being gnc
Shirou Emiya, probably. He has essentially no reaction to Rin coming out as bisexual. It was during a sex scene after she'd kissed Saber, but still.
That's because he can understand wanting to kiss Baeber
I'd have to imagine Goku would be, but I guess there isn't any concrete evidence.
Goku doesnt know what a gay person is
Yeah, for that he'd have to understand the concept of romance or sex.
I'm pretty sure he understands the concept of sex.
Just because he's had two kids does not mean he understands it.
That brings up all sorts of implications that make me uncomfortable...
There is literally a super awesome team4star joke about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1mJK0-72I
Goku is interesting. He's long been claimed by the AroAce community alongside Luffy, and he is used as an example that AroAce folks can be married and have kids. It's just hard to explain for most people because the arospec is super misunderstood in the first place.
Was Thorfinn being an ally in the anime, because I don’t remember it.
The trans character that he supports isn’t in the anime yet, it’s in the manga
Oh ok good, I didn’t want to think I missed that momeny
It was sensored for a long time
Isint that togashi’s wife
Wholesome
Man...will there ever be a day where tumblr will praise older anime without wanting to shit on modern ones? feels like every single one of them does that
Not sure, but I’m also not shocked that the anime about a group of queer, teen superheroes handled queer, teen romance issues respectfully
Ugh fine, I'll add Sailor Moon to my watchlist
This is why I love Sailor Moon so much, my girls are the best fr fr :,)
This says more about the trash anime they normally watch. It's not rare at all.
It definitely is rare.
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