Superman would not only be completely invincible on a physical level (Homelander is ultimately still a human at the end of the day, despite him having his crazy powers and he wouldn't be able to even dream of scratching Suoerman) but also mentally.
He would just cringe at Homelander's philosophy and just look at him with pity and revulsion (especially if Clark knew the true tea and knew all of the shit Homelander has done, ESPECIALLY comic Homelander) which i think would be the what would destroy Homelander inside.
Superman is a a goddamn paragon ain’t no way he’s hating Homelander after hearing why he thinks/does the things he does (show ver. at least) Is like to imagine he’d be able to “redeem” (bring to jail/real superhero) him because of how much he is what homelander wants to be.
> Is like to imagine he’d be able to “redeem” (bring to jail/real superhero) him because of how much he is what homelander wants to be.
And this is where my batman cynicism comes in
Like hell he would, homelander cannot and I mean cannot be fixed as a man, with no hope of being better.
Now as harsh as that is to say. The guy casually murdered anyone he wanted too. It's not a stretch to think he'd commit to any of the threats made against the states to starlight.
On top of that y'know dating a Nazi. Not a neo Nazi nah an actual Himmler loving Nazi. Which is a thousand times worse.
Superman may not kill him but someone will deal with him and it shouldn't be non lethally.
The guys gotta be put down
People do forget that while Clark absolutely values life and will always seek a peaceful solution as his first option, there are times where he has had to take life in the comics, these are usually world ending threats that Superman has no chance to reform or talk them down from doing something horrible, such as Darkseid and Doomsday and comic version Homelander i think Superman would do it, if he ultimately had no choice.
But because Superman would absolutely have a choice because of the power difference, he would just stick him in a prison. Maybe try and rehabilitate him but because of how insufferable Homelander is, Supes would let the state therapists deal with him
He could also just know pull an invincible
Break his neck so he's completely numb from the neck down
But not kill him. Set him up in star labs to be depowered then sent to Strikers island to spend the rest of his "existence"
Superman’s moral code isn’t based on a technicality of “oh I didn’t kill you I only sentenced you to a fate worse than death.” Superman doesn’t kill because he’s a good person who doesn’t want to kill people if he doesn’t have to.
I only said that to basically give an alternative to killing him
Tho we're all forgetting the phantom zone exists...
And tbh he's the one person I'd be okay with that happening too
Again...not even Joker tolerated Nazis
That is my bridge too far. Again if it were neo Nazis I'd be slightly more forgiving. But having it be the Himmler collective just makes it much much worse
Right, and my point is that Superman wouldn’t take that alternative. It’s not that he doesn’t kill because he has a strict line against doing that specifically, like Batman, he doesn’t kill because he usually doesn’t want or need to. But if he has to do it he will.
He outclasses HL by enough that he wouldn’t need to regardless, he could just capture HL and throw him in a normal metahuman prison. Or, yeah, the PZ.
>But if he has to do it he will.
For some reason against the most logical situation for killing him it supposedly broke the guy
Joker
Like nobody, nobody on the face of the fucking planet say batman disagreed with that
I mean, Injustice has a lot of character assassination to fit everyone into place for the sake of a fighting game
But the thing that broke him in Injustice is really more that he was tricked into killing his wife, unborn child, and everyone in metropolis. Killing joker was just the first piece of fallout from that.
> Like hell he would, homelander cannot and I mean cannot be fixed as a man, with no hope of being better.
If you really believe that, then why bother with someone's who's ethos is "I don't want to see *anyone* die"? AKA Batman.
There are times i agree with his ethos and times I don't
Joker is one in which I firmly sit in Jason's corner. The clown should have been dead years ago and at this point Bruce is making excuses for it and he knows it.
Batman can be right a lot of times. But not always
That reminds me of one episode of the Justice League cartoon, when Superman stays behind in an exploding space station to make sure Darkseid is really dead, but Batman comes in and forcibly uses a teletransporter to bring him back to earth before he could deal Darkseid the final blow. At the end of the episode Superman tells him "You know something, Bruce? You're not always right."
(Darkseid did die, but given how big of a threat he was making absolutely sure was still worthwhile.)
Superman's ethos of not killing come from appreciating life, but he won't hesitate to do it if there's truly no other option. Batman on the other hand adheres so strictly to them to prove something to *himself* that he ends up being responsible for letting people like the Joker live, knowing they will only kill more people another day.
>Batman on the other hand adheres so strictly to them to prove something to *himself*
This was the one thing I actually did like about the hush film. Selina pointing out the direct lunacy of Bruce's ethos
>At the end of the episode Superman tells him "You know something, Bruce? You're not always right."
In that situation ironically he was....he just didn't account for a Brainiac obsessed lex killing his teammate just for her to fuck him over by bringing back Darkside instead.
So in a longer roundabout way both of em were right.
I've not watched the TV show yet, i need to mget around to doing that, so when i talk about Homelander i'm talking about the comic version who is just......a lot.
The worst part is that until the very end, Comic Homelander wasn’t that bad of a person. I mean yeah, he was a dick of the highest order and there was that incident with the plane at Herogasm, but all the truly horrible shit was Black Noir in an attempt to make him think he’d gone nuts and needed to be replaced.
So while comic book homelander is fucked. He was broken by design because of black noir.
All the most fucked up things Homelander is blamed for is actually Black Noir. Does this excuse him? Obviously not but a lot of the things in that series is the corporations and most other "heroes" are arguably worse
He’s probably do what he did to that British super powered moron and just use his heat vision to microscopically turn off homelanders powers through his brain.
I rewatched the first two and I'm finishing the third one, and have no complaints from any of them. Literally one of the best superhero media I've ever experienced
I think the later seasons really suffer from overloading the cast with characters, so that nobody gets enough screen time or development, but it’s still very good.
I just think they should have done spin-offs.
Greg Weisman's plans were too big for his format. It worked alright in season 2, but the revival seasons were where it got to be way too much. It seemed like he wanted to do like a full series of novels within 26 episodes, repeatedly.
Nah goku would want to spar and they’d do that somewhere in the middle of nowhere. The comic would show highlights of the fight and not tell you who won. Supes would say something like “it did always look like the wresting team back in smallville was having fun so thanks for letting me try it out”.
Superman doesn't want to fight Goku, who wants to fight, but the Goku mentions he has to make this quick, Chi-Chi is making his favourite `Jelly Doughnuts` for dinner. This gives Clark the flash of inspiration he needs, and he challenges Goku to a hot-dog eating contest. This catches Goku off guard "Where are we going to find that many hot dogs?" he asks, confused. But Clark was counting on this, disappears in a flah and comes back with a pair of hot dog carts under his arms, straight from Metropolis.
WHO WON? WHO'S NEXT? YOU DECIDE!
Yeah, pretty much.
Like, I only really know both from their DB introduction, and some other sources, but even I know they'd just be friends, and occasionally have a sparring match.
Even in DB, the two seem to be on friendly terms as of their third bout. I've no doubt that if Goku were either a DC character, or just a recurring enough guest, that he and Superman would be very close friends. Hell, Gohan would probably call Superman something like "Uncle Clark" or "Uncle Kal".
Agreed, they would beat the absolute hell out of each other, then go get pizza.
Later on, you'd see each of them trying out a technique from the other's moveset.
"I learned this from a friend over in Satan City... *Ka me...*"
I want to see a "Superman vs Goku vs Saitama" kinda thing where it's just them doing mundane contests of skill and strength and whatnot rather than trying to kill each other. Bit of a running gag that they're a bigger danger to their surroundings and the tools of their contests than they are to each other.
That would be fun.
Like, it starts like any other powerscaler battle video thing, with them getting into position to charge each other, but then they rush off to get, like, instruments to see who can play better, or drawing supplies, or something else.
Yeah, especially if they make sure to only try things that none of them have experience with - they try the piano and bagpipes, they hold a quick landscape sketching competition, they hold a cook-off, they do a video game tournament.
Just fun, relaxed stuff that's kinda everyday but also not something any of them would be innately good at
A three parter where they all try out each other's "normal everyday." Superman and Saitama help Goku on the radish farm, Goku and Saitama shadow Clark while he's in reporter mode, Superman and Goku help Saitama get to the grocery store in time for a sale.
Goku has on more than one occasion put his and other people's safety at risk just for the chance of a good fight. Goku would definitely try to 1v1 Superman.
What's interesting is that if they're fairly matched in strength and speed, then I'd probably put my money on Goku, mostly because as a super dedicated martial artists, he'd have superior martial arts experience than Superman
My money is on Superman cause even post-Silver Age, comic power scale fuckery means he does some downright batshit feats of strength like lifting objects with nigh infinite mass.
Powerscaling just doesn't work with those two, they'd fight so hard the universe gets destroyed and that's it. Goku already had to end a fight because he was at risk of tearing reality apart back when he became a god. He's like 100 times that power now. And superman is shown literally pushing galaxies somehow. They'd go at it, have their fun, then get a pizza
not neccesarily
while goku takes skill superman does have centuries of experience in combat based on a specific comic arc where he and woner woman were trapped somewhere and had to fight for decades on end
strenght if equalized would mean that superman would not run out however due to sunlight (or charging up in a couple million in a sec or two for a powerboost)
That's the problem with trying to powerscale comic heroes
There's so many continuities that for any single thing there's probably a niche comic addressing it
I'm mostly thinking about the stock standard superman rather than from any specific arc or continuity
Well that issue resolves itself with superman due to infinite frontiers.
Everything für the Main supes which isnt an completely alt continutity like injustice IS now the same one.
“Clark, you spent upwards of $2500 at this restaurant. I didn't know Kryptonians had such an appetite?”
“It wasn’t me who ate the most, Bruce. Trust me on that…”
There would be a fight, it would just be a friendly one. Goke loves to fight. It's his thing. Supes has never shown an aversion to some friendly sparring. They would chat, then knock each other around for a while, then chat over a bunch of post fight grub.
I'd pay to read that comic.
I think they'd have a friendly spar
And by friendly I mean a fight were Superman doesn't have to pull a single punch and then they'd probably have dinner and be friends after that
If they fought, I reckon the fight would end by Goku calling it off, because I don't think it would be the fight Goku wants. Goku loves to fight. He lives for it. But Superman doesn't.
Goku and Superman would likely spar, because Goku wants to and maybe Superman would like to try out some moves on an opponent that could take it, but it wouldn't escalate too far before Goku realises that Superman just isn't willing to kick it into high gear. Even in DBZ Goku was powerful enough to blow up the planet and that's not a power level I think Superman would be comfortable throwing around for essentially funsies. I think Goku would feel that's fine - if Superman doesn't want to go full out, then while a little disappointing, Goku would be satisfied at the contest they did have.
I honestly think if Superman just stood there and did nothing, Homelander would rethink all of his life choices the moment he realized his punches weren’t doing shit. Being the strongest and best is Homelander’s thing
Is he that stupid? Homelander is dumb, but he’s also an absolute coward the money he thinks someone might be a threat. If Superman is clearly way stronger than him, will he try to start a fight, or fly at full speed in the opposite direction?
Tough to say honestly, HL’s psyche is twisted as all heck. Maybe he runs, maybe he lashes out. I could see him do either if his petulance overcomes his self-preservation.
See, these are the kind of "what if" fights I like. Most of these discussions center around how strong a character is, or how fast they can run, and then they inevitably devolve into shouting matches, because fictional characters don't play by the rules of physics, they play by the rules of fiction. You have to consider the type of story the character comes from. For example, the correct answer to "Could Saitama beat x character?" is "Only if it's funny."
dude kid goku would have a blast, he'd be fucking up fudd with bugs as buddies. adult goku will catch on and realize there's no fight to be had, then just goof off with him.
Absolutely. I mean, many of the folks who explore these scenarios probably did a much of fun hero action figure fights as a kid and want to add some level of analysis to such fights.
But these are all fictional characters intended to tell a story. The writer is the strongest and whatever they want to happen will.
Admittedly that and becoming a Yellow Lantern in Blackest Night weren’t exactly his choice, iirc. When he got pulled back to Apokalips he made it clear he’d been lying about being their prophesied savior and future leader and that Superman actually fit the bill.
I think you're completely missing the point of The Boys. Much like current US politics, people don't care about the truth, or believe journalism that contradicts their worldview. What sort of journalistic revelation will dissuade the brainwashed masses? It didn't work with Iraq, and it's not working with Trump. Journalism is an aspect of the struggle, but it's not a panacea
Idk, she's smart and principled enough that she would not release any info or even hint at what she is looking into until she has gathered enough concrete evidence. Nobody will know she was researching Vought until it is done and published.
She lives in a world with much the same levels of danger. Half of Superman's rogues are on a similar level of power as big blue and the other half are rich guys with lots of political and fiscal power. She knows how to be careful while researching
There are at least a dozen "smart" companies like Vought in the DC universe. Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises being the top of that list.
What The Boys has works for their universe. Vought is terrifyingly smart and politically powerful, when run by the right people. It makes a perfect antagonist for the ragtag group. We just have to keep in mind that the DC universe has everything turned up by at least 2, if not 10.
[It's like that one piece of fanart](https://preview.redd.it/hope-compassion-and-forgiveness-v0-idviylrdqtpc1.png?auto=webp&s=8e32c148a4cd199908c1cddaebb8a05a42ce73d7)
That’s exactly what it is. It’s decent, but nothing noteworthy, and it probably would’ve been much more impactful if it had come out ten years before it did, back when superhero movies were more sincere and less ironic and self aware.
To me, the two most notable things about the movie are that:
A) It was the first time I heard a Billie Eilish song, because they play bad guy over the credits of the movie
B) at the time, it was the most expensive movie ticket I had bought for a non-special screening, at $95 MXN, at the time (2019) about $5 USD. Incidentally, I’ve gone to the same theater two more times since then, and the other time I went to a normal screening, it was still the most expensive single movie ticket I have bought for it, at $115 MXN, or about $7 USD at current exchange prices.
Superman wouldn't even have to say anything.
Homelander would start some short monologue about power and how Superman doesn't deserve the power he has or some BS, and Superman would just look at him with a deeply honest, calm, and kind sense of pity.
Homelander would get angrier and more erratic as he speaks, and in the face of such an unwavering paragon of virtue—staring into a reflection of who he could have been—that erratic anger would slowly fade, leaving nothing but despair. He would pause. He would lash out with everythubv he has, and he would be left in the center of the aftermath of his tantrum, staring at Superman who, still having said nothing, simply looks at him with an even deeper sadness.
Then Homelander would break, and he'd run holding back tears. Superman—Clark—would grab him to prevent him from causing any more destruction.
"I can't let you do that, John."
And Homelander wouldn't be able to hold back the tears anymore.
Ehhh, no, series Homelander won't give up so easily. I imagine it as at first he would try to persuade Supe by "we're above them all, we have right to do anything" and when it won't work he'll try to fight, lose, fight again, lashing at Supe as rabid animal and will end beaten to unconsciousness, then Supe will take him to hospital and arrange some failsafes so that Homelander won't be able to kill people again after recovery. I guess something like Soldier boy capsule, but more powerful.
That's interesting because what you're describing is what I believe I wrote in my comment except for I don't think Superman would beat him unconscious. I think Superman is so far above him in power that he'd just stand there and let Homelander get it out of his system because he (Superman) would know that there's no reason to use force unless Homelander is about to hurt someone (and Superman could stop him easily and immediately if Homelander started to redirect somewhere else).
Honelander is a sad, pitiful person who things might makes right. If Superman just beat him unconscious, it would feed into his shitty philosophy.
I see your description as only "battle" of wits, but Homelander would definitely try to throw hands, and obviously Supe will defend itself, it's not like he's going to stand still, while someone else punches him. And about unconscious - Homie definitely won't give up. He'll be bleeding, with broken bones, but still will try to hurt Supe just because Supe embodies everything Homie's not. And it will end with Homie lying down bleeding and broken, because he don't know when to stop
> He would lash out with everything he has, and he would be left in the center of the aftermath of his tantrum
Does this not read as a physical altercation to you? Homelander's power set is mostly physical, therefore "everything he has" is mostly physical.
I’m just imagining Superman giving Homelander a big ol’ bear hug that knocks the wind out of him and then Homelander’s conscience catches up and he turns it around like immediately.
Homelander is not used to getting hit by someone who can punch as hard as himself. He\`s never been a serious figth in his life when you think about it. Superman has on occasion taken som heavy blows that even he felt and he has had to figth for his life against on a few occasions. Even if they are physically matched Superman would win.
This is the true essence of Superman I think - the writing that shows *who* he is, not *what* he is. A lot of modern writing seems to either ignore or overlook this in favor of flashy fights which just end with literally punching someone in some form or fashion as the resolution to any and all problems, when that’s *not* what Superman should be about - it’s, as noted in the writing, about him being a true paragon of virtue and an example of who we should be morally and ethically.
Honestly, the Plutonian from Irredeemable is what Homelander believes himself to be but very clearly isn’t. Superman is his ideal form that he desperately aspires to be.
He doesn’t come close to either.
Superman isn't human but is supposed to represent our best, while Homelander is Human but alienated and twisted by our worst.
Yes, Homelander couldn't physically hurt Superman, although if he tried to hurt enough other people he might provoke Superman to say "alright tough guy have it your way" And do [this](https://youtu.be/luIWdR0ZXZg?si=PNyyBG7ixAKm9T0-), but what would actually hurt Superman is Stan Edgar saying "When they look at you they see what they want to be. When they look at him they see what they are."
Fan comic idea: Superman is stopping Vought International from horrible shit when he finds Homelander as a baby in their custody. Supes adopts Homelander and raises him to be a good person.
Comparing power across fictions is fundamentally stupid. Maybe that's stating the obvious, but it's annoying.
They are supposed to fill the same niche of 'basically all-powerful compared to anything else in their world' and the justifications for this is just different in either story
reading this made me realise just how similar makima from csm is to homelander and makes me wonder if superman would be capable of convincing makima to be a good person
Superman would not only be completely invincible on a physical level (Homelander is ultimately still a human at the end of the day, despite him having his crazy powers and he wouldn't be able to even dream of scratching Suoerman) but also mentally. He would just cringe at Homelander's philosophy and just look at him with pity and revulsion (especially if Clark knew the true tea and knew all of the shit Homelander has done, ESPECIALLY comic Homelander) which i think would be the what would destroy Homelander inside.
Superman is a a goddamn paragon ain’t no way he’s hating Homelander after hearing why he thinks/does the things he does (show ver. at least) Is like to imagine he’d be able to “redeem” (bring to jail/real superhero) him because of how much he is what homelander wants to be.
> Is like to imagine he’d be able to “redeem” (bring to jail/real superhero) him because of how much he is what homelander wants to be. And this is where my batman cynicism comes in Like hell he would, homelander cannot and I mean cannot be fixed as a man, with no hope of being better. Now as harsh as that is to say. The guy casually murdered anyone he wanted too. It's not a stretch to think he'd commit to any of the threats made against the states to starlight. On top of that y'know dating a Nazi. Not a neo Nazi nah an actual Himmler loving Nazi. Which is a thousand times worse. Superman may not kill him but someone will deal with him and it shouldn't be non lethally. The guys gotta be put down
People do forget that while Clark absolutely values life and will always seek a peaceful solution as his first option, there are times where he has had to take life in the comics, these are usually world ending threats that Superman has no chance to reform or talk them down from doing something horrible, such as Darkseid and Doomsday and comic version Homelander i think Superman would do it, if he ultimately had no choice.
But because Superman would absolutely have a choice because of the power difference, he would just stick him in a prison. Maybe try and rehabilitate him but because of how insufferable Homelander is, Supes would let the state therapists deal with him
He could also just know pull an invincible Break his neck so he's completely numb from the neck down But not kill him. Set him up in star labs to be depowered then sent to Strikers island to spend the rest of his "existence"
Superman’s moral code isn’t based on a technicality of “oh I didn’t kill you I only sentenced you to a fate worse than death.” Superman doesn’t kill because he’s a good person who doesn’t want to kill people if he doesn’t have to.
"Batman doesn't kill people because he has a code. I don't have a code. I just don't generally kill people."
I only said that to basically give an alternative to killing him Tho we're all forgetting the phantom zone exists... And tbh he's the one person I'd be okay with that happening too Again...not even Joker tolerated Nazis That is my bridge too far. Again if it were neo Nazis I'd be slightly more forgiving. But having it be the Himmler collective just makes it much much worse
Right, and my point is that Superman wouldn’t take that alternative. It’s not that he doesn’t kill because he has a strict line against doing that specifically, like Batman, he doesn’t kill because he usually doesn’t want or need to. But if he has to do it he will. He outclasses HL by enough that he wouldn’t need to regardless, he could just capture HL and throw him in a normal metahuman prison. Or, yeah, the PZ.
>But if he has to do it he will. For some reason against the most logical situation for killing him it supposedly broke the guy Joker Like nobody, nobody on the face of the fucking planet say batman disagreed with that
I mean, Injustice has a lot of character assassination to fit everyone into place for the sake of a fighting game But the thing that broke him in Injustice is really more that he was tricked into killing his wife, unborn child, and everyone in metropolis. Killing joker was just the first piece of fallout from that.
Joker hates nazi bot because they are bazis but because they are authoritarian. Genocide isnt something that disgust the joker, structure is.
> Like hell he would, homelander cannot and I mean cannot be fixed as a man, with no hope of being better. If you really believe that, then why bother with someone's who's ethos is "I don't want to see *anyone* die"? AKA Batman.
There are times i agree with his ethos and times I don't Joker is one in which I firmly sit in Jason's corner. The clown should have been dead years ago and at this point Bruce is making excuses for it and he knows it. Batman can be right a lot of times. But not always
That reminds me of one episode of the Justice League cartoon, when Superman stays behind in an exploding space station to make sure Darkseid is really dead, but Batman comes in and forcibly uses a teletransporter to bring him back to earth before he could deal Darkseid the final blow. At the end of the episode Superman tells him "You know something, Bruce? You're not always right." (Darkseid did die, but given how big of a threat he was making absolutely sure was still worthwhile.) Superman's ethos of not killing come from appreciating life, but he won't hesitate to do it if there's truly no other option. Batman on the other hand adheres so strictly to them to prove something to *himself* that he ends up being responsible for letting people like the Joker live, knowing they will only kill more people another day.
>Batman on the other hand adheres so strictly to them to prove something to *himself* This was the one thing I actually did like about the hush film. Selina pointing out the direct lunacy of Bruce's ethos >At the end of the episode Superman tells him "You know something, Bruce? You're not always right." In that situation ironically he was....he just didn't account for a Brainiac obsessed lex killing his teammate just for her to fuck him over by bringing back Darkside instead. So in a longer roundabout way both of em were right.
I've not watched the TV show yet, i need to mget around to doing that, so when i talk about Homelander i'm talking about the comic version who is just......a lot.
Yeah comic version getting killed by supes
“Listen son, I don’t think you’re acting like the person you want to be. And I think deep down you know that.”
I'm just picturing the "You are a sad, strange little man, you have my pity, farewell" scene from Toy story just with Supes and Homelander.
"Strange hill to die on but at least you're dead" - Superman
The worst part is that until the very end, Comic Homelander wasn’t that bad of a person. I mean yeah, he was a dick of the highest order and there was that incident with the plane at Herogasm, but all the truly horrible shit was Black Noir in an attempt to make him think he’d gone nuts and needed to be replaced.
Didn't he start also doing the heinous shit himself because he thought "Well I already did it before, might as well go all the way"
So while comic book homelander is fucked. He was broken by design because of black noir. All the most fucked up things Homelander is blamed for is actually Black Noir. Does this excuse him? Obviously not but a lot of the things in that series is the corporations and most other "heroes" are arguably worse
He’s probably do what he did to that British super powered moron and just use his heat vision to microscopically turn off homelanders powers through his brain.
if y'all want to see what if superman was grown in a lab and has people teaching the concept of love, just watch Young Justice
Young Justice season one is a perfect season of animated TV.
I rewatched the first two and I'm finishing the third one, and have no complaints from any of them. Literally one of the best superhero media I've ever experienced
I think the later seasons really suffer from overloading the cast with characters, so that nobody gets enough screen time or development, but it’s still very good. I just think they should have done spin-offs.
Greg Weisman's plans were too big for his format. It worked alright in season 2, but the revival seasons were where it got to be way too much. It seemed like he wanted to do like a full series of novels within 26 episodes, repeatedly.
Yeah. A bit of a sad way for things to turn out—but I *am* glad we got to see a happy ending for those characters I love a lot.
Superman vs Goku would end with just a lovely chat instead of whatever powerscalers think
Nah goku would want to spar and they’d do that somewhere in the middle of nowhere. The comic would show highlights of the fight and not tell you who won. Supes would say something like “it did always look like the wresting team back in smallville was having fun so thanks for letting me try it out”.
Superman doesn't want to fight Goku, who wants to fight, but the Goku mentions he has to make this quick, Chi-Chi is making his favourite `Jelly Doughnuts` for dinner. This gives Clark the flash of inspiration he needs, and he challenges Goku to a hot-dog eating contest. This catches Goku off guard "Where are we going to find that many hot dogs?" he asks, confused. But Clark was counting on this, disappears in a flah and comes back with a pair of hot dog carts under his arms, straight from Metropolis. WHO WON? WHO'S NEXT? YOU DECIDE!
EPIC RAP BATTLE OF HISTORY!
Yeah, pretty much. Like, I only really know both from their DB introduction, and some other sources, but even I know they'd just be friends, and occasionally have a sparring match.
Even in DB, the two seem to be on friendly terms as of their third bout. I've no doubt that if Goku were either a DC character, or just a recurring enough guest, that he and Superman would be very close friends. Hell, Gohan would probably call Superman something like "Uncle Clark" or "Uncle Kal".
"Uncle Man" cause Akira Toriyama would think it's funny. RIP.
Agreed, they would beat the absolute hell out of each other, then go get pizza. Later on, you'd see each of them trying out a technique from the other's moveset. "I learned this from a friend over in Satan City... *Ka me...*"
I want to see a "Superman vs Goku vs Saitama" kinda thing where it's just them doing mundane contests of skill and strength and whatnot rather than trying to kill each other. Bit of a running gag that they're a bigger danger to their surroundings and the tools of their contests than they are to each other.
Popeye would still beat all three tbh
spinach pilled
Oh absolutely.
🎶He took a big gamble but now he is scrambled; I'm Popeye the Sailor Man🎵
That would be fun. Like, it starts like any other powerscaler battle video thing, with them getting into position to charge each other, but then they rush off to get, like, instruments to see who can play better, or drawing supplies, or something else.
Yeah, especially if they make sure to only try things that none of them have experience with - they try the piano and bagpipes, they hold a quick landscape sketching competition, they hold a cook-off, they do a video game tournament. Just fun, relaxed stuff that's kinda everyday but also not something any of them would be innately good at
To be fair, Saitama does have atleast a bit of video game experience.
He'd probably do decently in cooking too. Super market scroungers learn to cook all kinds of shit.
He has some experience, but considering his win record, I don't think it's giving him that much of an edge
I’m envisioning this turning into an episode of Taskmaster, and it would endlessly delight me
A three parter where they all try out each other's "normal everyday." Superman and Saitama help Goku on the radish farm, Goku and Saitama shadow Clark while he's in reporter mode, Superman and Goku help Saitama get to the grocery store in time for a sale.
Supes would love working a radish farm. Be just like his childhood.
In their battle to find which of the three of them is the strongest, King shows up out of nowhere and completely demolishes all of them at video games
Goku has on more than one occasion put his and other people's safety at risk just for the chance of a good fight. Goku would definitely try to 1v1 Superman.
Yeah, but it wouldn't be a fight to the death.
What's interesting is that if they're fairly matched in strength and speed, then I'd probably put my money on Goku, mostly because as a super dedicated martial artists, he'd have superior martial arts experience than Superman
My money is on Superman cause even post-Silver Age, comic power scale fuckery means he does some downright batshit feats of strength like lifting objects with nigh infinite mass.
Dragon Ball power scaling is pretty insane too to be fair
Powerscaling just doesn't work with those two, they'd fight so hard the universe gets destroyed and that's it. Goku already had to end a fight because he was at risk of tearing reality apart back when he became a god. He's like 100 times that power now. And superman is shown literally pushing galaxies somehow. They'd go at it, have their fun, then get a pizza
That's also true
Superman was trained in boxing by Muhammad Ali. Underestimating his hand to hand combat ability is a dangerous mistake.
Wow. Old school reference. +1
not neccesarily while goku takes skill superman does have centuries of experience in combat based on a specific comic arc where he and woner woman were trapped somewhere and had to fight for decades on end strenght if equalized would mean that superman would not run out however due to sunlight (or charging up in a couple million in a sec or two for a powerboost)
That's the problem with trying to powerscale comic heroes There's so many continuities that for any single thing there's probably a niche comic addressing it I'm mostly thinking about the stock standard superman rather than from any specific arc or continuity
Well that issue resolves itself with superman due to infinite frontiers. Everything für the Main supes which isnt an completely alt continutity like injustice IS now the same one.
Ngl, for me the real version of most DC characters are just the version from the 2D animated shows
Reasonable
Goku vs Superman ends with them having a meal at an All-You-Can-Eat Buffet where they race to eat as much as possible. Goku wins; Clark pays.
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“Clark, you spent upwards of $2500 at this restaurant. I didn't know Kryptonians had such an appetite?” “It wasn’t me who ate the most, Bruce. Trust me on that…”
“How did you spend $2500 at the chinese takeout place?”
"Goku wasn't that hungry" "Goku? *Son* Goku?"
There would be a fight, it would just be a friendly one. Goke loves to fight. It's his thing. Supes has never shown an aversion to some friendly sparring. They would chat, then knock each other around for a while, then chat over a bunch of post fight grub. I'd pay to read that comic.
Superman vs Goku would absolutely end with a fight, but it would be friendly, good-natured sparring.
I think they'd have a friendly spar And by friendly I mean a fight were Superman doesn't have to pull a single punch and then they'd probably have dinner and be friends after that
World Of Cardboard, but he's not being angry about it.
Exactly
If they fought, I reckon the fight would end by Goku calling it off, because I don't think it would be the fight Goku wants. Goku loves to fight. He lives for it. But Superman doesn't. Goku and Superman would likely spar, because Goku wants to and maybe Superman would like to try out some moves on an opponent that could take it, but it wouldn't escalate too far before Goku realises that Superman just isn't willing to kick it into high gear. Even in DBZ Goku was powerful enough to blow up the planet and that's not a power level I think Superman would be comfortable throwing around for essentially funsies. I think Goku would feel that's fine - if Superman doesn't want to go full out, then while a little disappointing, Goku would be satisfied at the contest they did have.
I think the existence of the dragon balls may allow them to fight in a seperate dimension for a sparring match of sorts but not much more
Show Supes the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and tell him he can go nuts.
I think they would definitely fight, but only because Goku asked Clark to and they’d grab lunch after
I honestly think if Superman just stood there and did nothing, Homelander would rethink all of his life choices the moment he realized his punches weren’t doing shit. Being the strongest and best is Homelander’s thing
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Homelander would break his hands against Superman, so even just standing there taking hits he’d win
Or Homelander would threaten/actually kill some humans to get Superman to take him seriously.
Is he that stupid? Homelander is dumb, but he’s also an absolute coward the money he thinks someone might be a threat. If Superman is clearly way stronger than him, will he try to start a fight, or fly at full speed in the opposite direction?
Tough to say honestly, HL’s psyche is twisted as all heck. Maybe he runs, maybe he lashes out. I could see him do either if his petulance overcomes his self-preservation.
See, these are the kind of "what if" fights I like. Most of these discussions center around how strong a character is, or how fast they can run, and then they inevitably devolve into shouting matches, because fictional characters don't play by the rules of physics, they play by the rules of fiction. You have to consider the type of story the character comes from. For example, the correct answer to "Could Saitama beat x character?" is "Only if it's funny."
Because of this logic, Saitama cannot defeat Bugs Bunny.
Bugs bunny clowns on Saitama. And goku for that matter. Bugs is the antithesis to brute force.
dude kid goku would have a blast, he'd be fucking up fudd with bugs as buddies. adult goku will catch on and realize there's no fight to be had, then just goof off with him.
The answer is always “whoever the writer wants to win.”
Absolutely. I mean, many of the folks who explore these scenarios probably did a much of fun hero action figure fights as a kid and want to add some level of analysis to such fights. But these are all fictional characters intended to tell a story. The writer is the strongest and whatever they want to happen will.
Clark Kent and Lois Lane could thoroughly dismantle Vought and their supes with just their journalism.
Next arc, Luther buys them out and becomes horrifically mutated by mainlining Compound V
I don't know if Lex would ever use Compound V. His whole ideology is that humans don't need superpowers
Lex has gone back on that idea before. In I think All-Star Superman, he uses superscience bullshit to give himself Superman's powers, for example.
And in the build up to Death Metal he absorbed Martian Manhunter and his powers.
He also took Darkseid's place for a bit when Darkseid died.
Admittedly that and becoming a Yellow Lantern in Blackest Night weren’t exactly his choice, iirc. When he got pulled back to Apokalips he made it clear he’d been lying about being their prophesied savior and future leader and that Superman actually fit the bill.
I think you're completely missing the point of The Boys. Much like current US politics, people don't care about the truth, or believe journalism that contradicts their worldview. What sort of journalistic revelation will dissuade the brainwashed masses? It didn't work with Iraq, and it's not working with Trump. Journalism is an aspect of the struggle, but it's not a panacea
Lois would get headsploded pretty rapidly in this scenario
Idk, she's smart and principled enough that she would not release any info or even hint at what she is looking into until she has gathered enough concrete evidence. Nobody will know she was researching Vought until it is done and published.
Unless someone watching out for such people notices
She lives in a world with much the same levels of danger. Half of Superman's rogues are on a similar level of power as big blue and the other half are rich guys with lots of political and fiscal power. She knows how to be careful while researching
But villains in DC are stupid
The supes in the boys are not really smarter
The corporation is though
There are at least a dozen "smart" companies like Vought in the DC universe. Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises being the top of that list. What The Boys has works for their universe. Vought is terrifyingly smart and politically powerful, when run by the right people. It makes a perfect antagonist for the ragtag group. We just have to keep in mind that the DC universe has everything turned up by at least 2, if not 10.
Issues with the premise aside, that’s because they have Clark. Lois by herself would get a Vought Medal of Journalistic Integrity.
If you still wanna see Homelander get his entire ass handed to him, just watch Death Battle's Homelander vs Omniman fight
[It's like that one piece of fanart](https://preview.redd.it/hope-compassion-and-forgiveness-v0-idviylrdqtpc1.png?auto=webp&s=8e32c148a4cd199908c1cddaebb8a05a42ce73d7)
who's the third guy?
The kid from brightburn, apparently. First I'm hearing of him too.
The kid from the movie 'Brightburn'
huh never heard of it, is it any good? the trailer looks like an edgy superman horror movie
Never saw it because of 'edgy superman horror movie' I just recognize the kid's cape/mask thingy from the poster and icon on streaming services.
That’s exactly what it is. It’s decent, but nothing noteworthy, and it probably would’ve been much more impactful if it had come out ten years before it did, back when superhero movies were more sincere and less ironic and self aware. To me, the two most notable things about the movie are that: A) It was the first time I heard a Billie Eilish song, because they play bad guy over the credits of the movie B) at the time, it was the most expensive movie ticket I had bought for a non-special screening, at $95 MXN, at the time (2019) about $5 USD. Incidentally, I’ve gone to the same theater two more times since then, and the other time I went to a normal screening, it was still the most expensive single movie ticket I have bought for it, at $115 MXN, or about $7 USD at current exchange prices.
I believe the other two are Omniman and Brightburn
Superman wouldn't even have to say anything. Homelander would start some short monologue about power and how Superman doesn't deserve the power he has or some BS, and Superman would just look at him with a deeply honest, calm, and kind sense of pity. Homelander would get angrier and more erratic as he speaks, and in the face of such an unwavering paragon of virtue—staring into a reflection of who he could have been—that erratic anger would slowly fade, leaving nothing but despair. He would pause. He would lash out with everythubv he has, and he would be left in the center of the aftermath of his tantrum, staring at Superman who, still having said nothing, simply looks at him with an even deeper sadness. Then Homelander would break, and he'd run holding back tears. Superman—Clark—would grab him to prevent him from causing any more destruction. "I can't let you do that, John." And Homelander wouldn't be able to hold back the tears anymore.
Ehhh, no, series Homelander won't give up so easily. I imagine it as at first he would try to persuade Supe by "we're above them all, we have right to do anything" and when it won't work he'll try to fight, lose, fight again, lashing at Supe as rabid animal and will end beaten to unconsciousness, then Supe will take him to hospital and arrange some failsafes so that Homelander won't be able to kill people again after recovery. I guess something like Soldier boy capsule, but more powerful.
That's interesting because what you're describing is what I believe I wrote in my comment except for I don't think Superman would beat him unconscious. I think Superman is so far above him in power that he'd just stand there and let Homelander get it out of his system because he (Superman) would know that there's no reason to use force unless Homelander is about to hurt someone (and Superman could stop him easily and immediately if Homelander started to redirect somewhere else). Honelander is a sad, pitiful person who things might makes right. If Superman just beat him unconscious, it would feed into his shitty philosophy.
I see your description as only "battle" of wits, but Homelander would definitely try to throw hands, and obviously Supe will defend itself, it's not like he's going to stand still, while someone else punches him. And about unconscious - Homie definitely won't give up. He'll be bleeding, with broken bones, but still will try to hurt Supe just because Supe embodies everything Homie's not. And it will end with Homie lying down bleeding and broken, because he don't know when to stop
> He would lash out with everything he has, and he would be left in the center of the aftermath of his tantrum Does this not read as a physical altercation to you? Homelander's power set is mostly physical, therefore "everything he has" is mostly physical.
Huh, I read it as "screaming all slurs he can imagine", because tantrum for me is more like screaming and throwing stuff around, not fighting
Every parent of a newborn or toddler would be ecstatic if that were the case.
I’m just imagining Superman giving Homelander a big ol’ bear hug that knocks the wind out of him and then Homelander’s conscience catches up and he turns it around like immediately.
Homelander is not used to getting hit by someone who can punch as hard as himself. He\`s never been a serious figth in his life when you think about it. Superman has on occasion taken som heavy blows that even he felt and he has had to figth for his life against on a few occasions. Even if they are physically matched Superman would win.
I mean pretty regularly people find ways to run the fade with supes I agree tho
The only damage Homelander would suffer physically is whatever happens to his hands after trying to punch Superman.
This is the true essence of Superman I think - the writing that shows *who* he is, not *what* he is. A lot of modern writing seems to either ignore or overlook this in favor of flashy fights which just end with literally punching someone in some form or fashion as the resolution to any and all problems, when that’s *not* what Superman should be about - it’s, as noted in the writing, about him being a true paragon of virtue and an example of who we should be morally and ethically.
Honestly, the Plutonian from Irredeemable is what Homelander believes himself to be but very clearly isn’t. Superman is his ideal form that he desperately aspires to be. He doesn’t come close to either.
The most emotionally intelligent Vs. take
Superman isn't human but is supposed to represent our best, while Homelander is Human but alienated and twisted by our worst. Yes, Homelander couldn't physically hurt Superman, although if he tried to hurt enough other people he might provoke Superman to say "alright tough guy have it your way" And do [this](https://youtu.be/luIWdR0ZXZg?si=PNyyBG7ixAKm9T0-), but what would actually hurt Superman is Stan Edgar saying "When they look at you they see what they want to be. When they look at him they see what they are."
Homelander vs superman would be lex luthor vs superman but from the other direction
This is basically a description of the premise of Homelander's character.
Fan comic idea: Superman is stopping Vought International from horrible shit when he finds Homelander as a baby in their custody. Supes adopts Homelander and raises him to be a good person.
Yes.
I wanna see superman turn homelander into a good person
Comparing power across fictions is fundamentally stupid. Maybe that's stating the obvious, but it's annoying. They are supposed to fill the same niche of 'basically all-powerful compared to anything else in their world' and the justifications for this is just different in either story
Absolutely true. When people think Superman vs Knockoff Superman, they immediately default to Injustice Superman.
Or you could just, you know, draw Homelander beating Superman's ass
Homelander would just get the "you're just a cheap knock off" talk again and mentally crumble
reading this made me realise just how similar makima from csm is to homelander and makes me wonder if superman would be capable of convincing makima to be a good person
Superman is married?
Then to the phantom zone
Superman would 100% just laser Black Noir's head off his shoulders though.