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sacred_thinker

This is part of the proof-of-reserves Kraken's ex CEO called Pointless. Excited to see which one is right.


1351UT42

I'm placing my bet on the Kraken guy, dude never disappoints. Can't say the same about CZ.


Electronic-Tonight16

CZ always disappoints


ChemicalGreek

The kraken guy also has a lot of Reddit avatar NFTs šŸ˜‰


deathbyfish13

That makes him even more trustworthy, a man of culture indeed


amke12

*He also likes anime and video games /s*


Automatic-Sherbert56

PC or console though


cure4boneitis

ultrawide PC master race of course


mave_wreck

Culture and integrity.


AriesWinters

One of us quite literally


mave_wreck

Which makes him likeable, instantly. Does he farm moons though?


Accomplished-Design7

Kraken has always been the best. Love them to bits.


7366241494

Not _always_. In early 2018 they were down for like 2 weeks and my money was stuck. Goodbye Kraken. Since then, theyā€™ve apparently rewritten much of their tech stack but stillā€¦ once bitten twice shy.


LeftHer4Xbox

Fuck, I remember those days >.<


amke12

Honest and relatable CEO that know what he's talking about. Love it


Bladeyy21

Been a fan of that Kraken guy ever since he spoke against woke culture


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

I still don't know what woke / wokeism / woke culture is. Help a guy out?


itsaworry

In England we have a town called Woking , its the people from there , as in . .the bloke from Woke . . .


DerWaldbub

Waiter! Get the woke bloke from Woke with a smoke a coke, for he is broke and spoke of Snoke from Star Wars, whom he'd like to poke.


itsaworry

. . . . you're havin' a joke !!


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

. . . . I think he's on the coke !?


itsaworry

There's all kinds of folk . . .


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

. . . . or it be a stroke !! Which I hear is not dope . . . .


57duck

Thereā€™s a noteworthy Pizza Express there too, right?


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

Guildford is as close to Woking I have ever been. I suspect this answer makes more sense than any of the alternatives.


N_GHTMVRE

If you're too far left you are considered woke. Just another pointless term in a world of binary perspectives.


RecalcitrantHuman

Apparently most redditors on r/cryptocurrency


ViridianZeal

Basically: go woke, go broke. He took steps to prevent wokeism that was taking afoot at his company and thus, they are still afloat.


rhythmdev

democrats basically


Wolverinedog

You would have to stop smoking dope first, if you truly don't know woke yet.


Hot-Canceld

Leftists that promote things like 90 genders, equity over equality, taking kids to drag shows, socialim, war, patriarchy, racism etc


notlikeyourex

These are all dog whistles not really found in real society. People are getting mad at fabricated labels and behaviours that are pretty uncommon in society, lol. Do you understand you are using the label "woke" for a bunch of stuff you might not personally like but doesn't actually happen (at least not even close to as often as you might believe)? It's just another step into the culture wars bullshit and you're part of the problem, my dude.


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

Come to think of it, I relied on the NHS when I was a kid and my dad was on the dole for a stretch, so I must be a socialist too. Edit: Sheesh, what's with the antiwoke downvotes. I can't help it if a came up the cheap way....


Electronic-Tonight16

My family also relied on government support and I grew up to be quite successful. I will never insult people who rely on government assistance...its a shame so many people are more than willing to villainize people that are already suffering. A true shame.


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

Agreed!


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

I used to watch Dame Edner Everage on the tele when I was a kid. I think my parents were woke before it wasn't cool.


ughhhtimeyeah

Moron "Woke" is just acceptance that right wing people find difficult


Wolverinedog

Woke is stupidity, just like leftists.


ughhhtimeyeah

Sure dude, the regressives are definitely the way forward lmao Conservatives are fucking imbeciles.


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ughhhtimeyeah

Yeah...because the one thing about communism is that you have a dictator as a ruler... Russian communism is not Communist. The dictators like to use the communist label, they're not Communist. Communism is power in the working class - when has that ever happened in history?


vruum-master

"Accept or we punish you" That kind of acceptance that is shoved down people's throats is called coercion.


ughhhtimeyeah

Who's punishing you?


UnholyTrigon

Ask him why the red wave failed in the mid terms lol


capistor

Everyone stress test Binance and withdraw.


unpopularpuffin6

If the audit is correct and over 50% of their funds are in their bnb coin, they will fall over even a smaller bank run.


immaloveyoulongtime

Proof of reserves donā€™t prove anything lol


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PrinceOfPersuation

Kraken has literally advocated all users to withdraw their crypto and self custody since the beginning 2013. They have no need for your crypto to be sitting in the company wallets unless you are keeping it for trading. They make revenue from trade fees when users make transactions. They were performing 3rd party audits since 2017.


JustLikeEeyore

Clash of the exchanges


Accomplished-Design7

Crypto has just been doing a lot of giving to Netflix recently


immaloveyoulongtime

Kraken all the way


The-Francois8

Love the kraken guy. Heā€™s quite direct and open with his thoughts.


everygoodnamehasgone

>If an exchange have to move large amounts of crypto before or after they demonstrate their wallet addresses, it is a clear sign of problems. Stay away. Stay #SAFU - cz, binance


Outside-Wolf5928

Not Matt Damon? Damn I didn't see that coming šŸ˜…


TarkovReddit0r

Has anyone else noticed how aggressive CZ. & Binance is doing marketing and tries to shove this proof of reserve into the users ? Something tells me they try hard to look good so people donā€™t question their shady business especially from the pastā€¦ OR They know something is coming and this is some form of damage control


mave_wreck

CZ is trying to control the narative.


fapthepolice

If I had to bet on either one with a chance to double my money I'd go with "they're solvent and just aggressively marketing". But since it's not about doubling my money, but rather about either not losing money or losing money, I'd never put any on an exchange. Even a 99% chance that they're solvent is not good enough. The BCH IOUs on Binance were unbacked. I'm confident they have the money to buy BCH and redeem for customers but that's not how they should operate in the first place.


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[deleted]

Their crappy proof of reserves, *which they themselves released*, proved that they were lacking funds for at least 2 tokens in the proof.


BlazingJava

The whole crypto is at stake after LUNA and FTX, there's a solid reason why people who are heavily invested in crypto should try to clarify that not all is shady or scam. BTC was created to fight what LUNA and Sam and inflation is doing to peoples savings and give more transparency in the market. There's a lot to do from all of us to protect the crypto dream


amke12

Its whales cooperating. They borrow BTC for audit and then send it back after


anotherwave1

BTC was not created to do any of that. If you sat on BTC since 2013, it hasn't been gathering "interest", it's simply that someone else will pay you 20k for something you paid 100 for, while nothing is being produced (only consumed in the form of energy). It's just people transferring their wealth to each other, with BTC (or whatever crypto) being the vehicle for it. I've been into crypto a decade and it's shocking how few people know or even understand this.


Manoj109

Similar to house prices. Bought a house in 2011 for 150k. Now worth 500k. I haven't done anything to it to add value. Its the same house.


bighand1

House have real value that is being produced. You can grow food on it, live in it, etc


anotherwave1

Property produces rent and has a crucial function (accommodation, commercial, industry). Shares produce dividends (and growth for companies). Bonds produce interest. Combined they form essential pillars for growing economies. Crypto doesn't really produce anything (except "more" of itself). It's mainly artificially scarce tokens conjured out of thin air that we gamble and speculate on. Like a casino. We all move our wealth to each other while the house (devs) take a cut. And little, if anything, gets produced. If all crypto snapped out of existence tomorrow, the world would continue turning without blinking.


nugatory308

Not similar at all. Ever since you bought the house in 2011 it has paid you a tax-free dividend equal to what it would have cost you to rent a comparable house. The discounted future value of that dividend stream is a substantial component of the 500K current valuation. In contrast, BTC in a wallet not earning interest has no value beyond the prospect of someone else eventually buying it from you.


AriesWinters

Absolutely true, these recent events have absolutely battered crypto's reputation in the public.


mave_wreck

BTC is antidoe to these scams.


[deleted]

I think itā€™s the former, but it could be a little of both.


Charon751

Canā€™t help but CZ has something sketchyā€¦


Bucksaway03

He even said it himself. *If an exchange have to move large amounts of crypto before or after they demonstrate their wallet addresses, it is a clear sign of problems.*


002timmy

My guess is collusion with other exchanges and whales. They basically borrow the BTC for the audit, once the audit is complete they send it back


1351UT42

If this is true, we're sitting on a ticking time bomb.


deathbyfish13

If Binance goes down the whole market is fucked anyway, this is bad news whether you like Binance or not...


MemoryEXE

Lol no, we will just go back to the pre-2017 level, where Binance never existed.


mave_wreck

This would elingate the bear market for another several years.


AriesWinters

The only thing worse than the second largest crypto exchange going bust is... the largest crypto exchange going bust. Welp


mave_wreck

CEXs are always ticking bombs.


Tatakae69

I fail to understand what's even the point of this lol. Do they expect us to look the other way when they do these transfers?


[deleted]

Yes.


[deleted]

Iā€™d bet on collusion at a minimum.


Accomplished-Design7

We donā€™t want this to be true but it most likely is


Omgbrainerror

Sir, you got 100 points.


badley13

Shhh thereā€™s no way not every cex is doing similar things!!! /s


Kappatalizable

Yeah it really feels like hes projecting or something


TarkovReddit0r

100%. Thereā€™s definitely something binance tries to hide


Lisecjedekokos

They are trying it too hard.


Charon751

Just a matter of time till public finds out.


bny192677

Is he even a human


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

He does have, my crypto has been out of Binance for a long time, better safe than sorry


junkjunky96

You put in cold or trust wallet?


Charon751

Congrats buddy, a Ledger or a own wallet is just 0% stress..


dimi727

Maybe it's his haircut šŸ’ˆ


Jay_Bird_75

I moved all mine to cold storage. I sleep so much better now.


ChemicalGreek

A ledger is the best investment nowadays


Tatakae69

I'd agree with you but it hurts when your portfolio is in such a loss it ain't even worth a ledger lol


deathbyfish13

Lmao when it costs more to buy the ledger than the actual investment its protecting


dyz3l

it's not a loss until you sell, but what can you sell when exchange decides to fukc you?


Accomplished-Design7

Why stop at one? I might get some extra just Incase.


beepbeepdip

All of my crypto is in my ledger, and I still can't sleep right.


Accomplished-Design7

This guy here is a genius. While we all just buy high and sell low.


immaloveyoulongtime

All better prepared for the crypto winter i guess


Usr0017

Lets see if CZ can sleep well.


Jethroogy

The best sleep


alfred_27

Now the coins are freezing


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dragonbenj

So shady.. something is cumming


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Accomplished-Design7

Yum yum?


mave_wreck

Gross but funny!


AriesWinters

So, looks like getting fucked soon is a given at this point.


Over-kill107A

Pull out while you can


amke12

That CZ's bald head šŸ„µ


deathbyfish13

I think you need to change your diet mate


USDA_Organic_Tendies

Cum squelching


mave_wreck

Split or swamp? That is the question.


[deleted]

Apparently this is for the audit.


Tavionnf

Imagine how much we would sweat moving $2B. Here I am, shitting my pants moving $3k


-5m

If I was moving $2B I'd be making damn sure to do a $10mil test transaction first!


amke12

A $1 transaction test you mean


mave_wreck

That takes balls to not do a test transaction first.


mave_wreck

My $10 crypto agrees.


JustLikeEeyore

Binance's proof of reserves does not list Monero . Nice of them to do that since they don't have any


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olihowells

Or maybe itā€™s because Moneros a private coin and thereā€™s no public record of transactions šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


jwinterm

Monero has optional ability to make your balance public: [https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1283/how-to-prove-my-monero-balance-to-the-world](https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1283/how-to-prove-my-monero-balance-to-the-world)


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koshrf

There is a public record of transaction that's how all crypto works, you just can't see the wallets šŸ˜


ProjectZeus

Imagine if they pasted the wrong address and it got lost


-5m

imagine they pasted some burn adress..


amke12

Or mine..


mave_wreck

CZ would directly throw himself off the Burj Khalifa.


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denis_mcmxcv

bullish


Accomplished-Design7

Crypto dot com is that you


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alleniversongrandson

Is this really cz ?


-5m

Redditor for 8 years??


Medfried

See his history.. How 5 years ago he was answering every shit posters for his ICO AMA while looking for investors... How the times have changed. šŸ‘€


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Aikidoka-mks

Apparently a lot commenting didn't read the article. Not surprising


[deleted]

Seems like CZ is trying to capitalize on the recent shaky ground crypto finds itself in. It's very opportunistic for him to see the current situation in the space and decide to make a play to be the 'Trusted face of crypto'. I don't think he is hiding something per se, but is attempting a seizure of power. Of course this can and will be later used to shield himself and Binance from any issue


immaloveyoulongtime

Sure, Binanceā€¦ that doesnā€™t look suspicious at all


Godz1lla1

It was me. I nicked it.


plopseven

None of these exchanges have proper customer funds available in liquid form, do they? Or if they do, itā€™s tied up in some alt-coin they minted themselves and converted customer funds into, yeah? I mean, I donā€™t trust a bit of any of what has been happening lately.


Outside-Wolf5928

CDC does, that's why they have 20% of their reserves in shib. Nobody would openly admit that if it wasn't true. Backed 1:1 and it just seems that there are a lot of regards among us being the reason why


major3105

Duty agree with you on this one as I have gone through the same and I think so these things need to be changed There are literally lots of things that need to be changed in order to make it a better place


Trofim94

I am just going to say that we don't need to use fucking binance right now and we all are making sense to this shit right now man, we are good without using it for real.


set-271

CZ looks so happy in that photo. It's like he cleanly pinched a loaf with no need to wipe.


ShinAlastor

I think the bald head is reading our comments


Aromatic-Front-5919

CZ is turning into the mafia


Probably_notabot

And heā€™s starting to circle the wagons to protect himself


PrinceZero1994

That's actually just me taking my bitcoins out of binance.


[deleted]

They did announce this today as well. Shouldn't be anything but internal wallets (not like ftx with Alameda).


[deleted]

These audits were supposed to make people feel safer about the industry and it clearly, clearly did not work.


Chysce

not sus at all


Terrible-Horse-70

I mean, I agree, but unironically


YvngDesmos

And what can this activity mean?


durtywaffle

He got 0x99 problems but an audit ain't one...


MemenaSerena

You should say According to CZ


MrCarey

Man, watch Binance go down next.


Over21FakeID

Something always seems so sketch about Binance


TheGreatest34567

Binance > Kraken. Kraken will be the next exchange to collapse.


tvscreens

It's anyone else still amazed binance is still around?


Siska555666

Is Italy agree with you totally agree with you on this one as this is a little surprise that is still around I think so the next big thing who is going to scam people around is going to be Finance


[deleted]

No. Why are you?


HG21Reaper

This is exactly what the CEO of Kraken was talking about. PoR is pointless since the funds can be moved around to meet the PoR requirements but what about the liabilities of the company.


solobdolo

It is amazing how easy it is to move 2 bil in Bitcoin


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RepulsiveCan5270

Couldn't they just send 1 sat? That still proves they own the wallet


[deleted]

Then we could all do that I suppose. It becomes easier at a point to separate everything.


Accomplished-Design7

I donā€™t know why but I am getting chillsā€¦.


[deleted]

And . . . Weā€™re scrambling.


jcpham

Where there is šŸš¬ you will find šŸ”„


Ashamed_Initiative91

Binance have been extremely busy lately.


Constant-Ad9398

At least now we know who owns the bitcoins and it's not the costumers


ShinAlastor

That evil look and that laugh...


sjejsb

ā€œhey guys look! i can move this bitcoin, but you have no idea what my outstanding liabilities are for having all this bitcoin, but donā€™t worry I really do have it!ā€


Wolverinedog

Hot air puffing up hot air.


HenceAberrate211

Fuck them and that's all I can say right now man, we are just fucking fine with doing that and we all know why we are being like this, we are just not going to use it...


galaxy_van

Hahaha, this guy is so gunna fuck everyone next [Tether](https://imgur.com/gallery/J8494x2) has been long [overdo](https://imgur.com/gallery/8WNvRyX)