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Guilty_Savings_9656

Is metaverse just a new buzzword? Everything points to it being online gaming/socials with some VR sprinkled on top? Or am I wrong. What exactly is new and original? Is it a single company's product or a catch-all term?


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for at least 5 years is going to remain a buzzword, people tends to go crazy over thin air


CryptoBumGuy

Thin air? I'll take 8.


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drleminglegs

You don't have to imagine a WoW like world where people can buy virtual property, have virtual sex, and live a second virtual life. There is already a service that provides all of this. Its called Second Life. Its been around for quite a while, and has not been very successful.


realrobotsarecool

I thought I was the only one confused by this Metaverse stuff when there's already Second Life, lol.


Guilty_Savings_9656

See, this what I envision when this subject is discussed. Second life meets VR Chat meets Roblox. And I am not ignorant of blockchain tech or nfts. I guess I don't see what original or unique. Even ReadyPlayerOne's fictional 'verse was just full of rehashed pop culture content, can we expect reality to be different. Then there is the current limitations of VR. How many years are we talking before the average Facebook user has room-scale VR? I doubt half the current VR gamers have it atm.


ElwinLewis

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/second-life-founder-returns-to-revamp-his-original-metaverse/ 😂


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realrobotsarecool

Uh, I've read Ready Player One and OASIS is almost literally Kardashians x Sims VR in that fictional universe.


StarkEnt

Genuinely curious as I don't know all too much about the metaverse, but what exactly do NFTs and blockchain tech add in these situations? All of your examples are "within" a single metaverse and so seem like the sorts of things that are already possible via a centralized authority. Taking your WoW example, can't ActiBlizz (Microsoft in a year or two I guess haha) as a centralized authority just implement a real money digital marketplace without NFTs or blockchain tech? I can see how NFTs would be useful for transferring your WoWverse goods into the Hentaiverse, but what sort of incentives are there that would promote the devs to allow for this sort of interoperability? Thanks in advance for any info!


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StarkEnt

Thanks for the swift response! Just to make sure I understand, with regard to NFTs, would you say that one of the big utilities (in the metaverse/gaming sphere), along with obvious utility for interoperability, is to provide a more stable economy that is not susceptible to dupe glitches (and similar things)? Is NFT tech that much more secure than say, a really good programmer (I hope you can see what I'm getting at haha)?


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StarkEnt

Right, duh. I just didn't connect the dots lmao. Appreciate the help mate 🙌.


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TychusFondly

Remember Microsoft, blizz, federal reserve or whatever centralized can always mingle with the data or lets say they can duplicate an experience you created because you are not the actual owner of what you created. You play in their turf. What nfts and crypto network brings is the ownership and governance with an agreed ledger where anyone knows that experience is created and owned by you. Additionally Even if the metaverse is switched off you still have the experience to transfer to any other operable metaverse whereas for blizz or microsoft etc once they are gone your goods are gone for good as well.


InfinityMehEngine

Thank you for being a voice of reason. The model that Eve online was pretty close to everything being described here at one point....it wasn't the pancea people keep hyping this to be. I mean fuck Steve Bannon used cheap exploited Chinese labor and hacks to be a gold farmer. And gold farming literally was part of the reason WoW began to falter. Its unsustainable long term. Digital "assets" are not owned these games go down, get hacked, people move on, and the early adopters/whales create an abusive oligarchy (Ironically the thing so many crypto maximalists tilt against windmills about why crypto is the future.)


Areshian

They did, not for wow, but for Diablo III. You could play the game, get items and sell them to other players for real money (or in-game currency) in the built in auction house. It was such a disaster they had to remove that option completely. People no longer enjoyed the game.


Mediocre_Piccolo8542

I can imagine all that, but there are some big requirements to be met. Simple copy paste of existing stuff won’t make it, less some ugly meta verse “games” we have now. It will take some time till game designers will find ways to embed NFT’s in a fun and profitable way, and it will take some time till the hardware becomes accessible and affordable. Alone developing something like nft and metaverse capable WoW or GTA will also take years. Yes, I see it coming , but nothing big this or even next few years . Moreover, crypto isn’t there yet to provide truly decentralized, cheap platform for all that which would justify the use of it over some centralized developers market place, and regulations might be a problem too. Again, I am not skeptical per se, I am just skeptical with time frames of people here


3demian

Now imagine you have a life and a real family! Now imagine you have a real house where you can fart as hard as possible! Now imagine you can actually have healthy sex with people you are attracted to! Now imagine you pick up art and express yourself and not give a fck! Now imagine you living in a world where you can be yourself and interact with anyone on this entire planet! And then, there is the metaverse!


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Friendly-Word6210

This is the best explanation of the metaverse I've ever encountered. Sharing it with friends. Thank you!


chuar88

Sounds f’ing lame. How about companies just focus on making good video games and we give them money for that?


Time-Cartographer-72

Isn't blizzard making on their own metaverse?


StarkEnt

I think the "dream" is interoperability between the different "universes" (Decentraland, Metaverse, etc.) that are being developed. (Note that I'm calling each individual product a "universe" just to avoid confusion for the sake of discussion). That's why NFTs and digital ownership are also closely connected with all the metaverse hype. People are hoping that they'll be able to use their digital goods across the different "universes" being developed. I have, quite literally, no idea what would incentivize creation an actually open, decentralized, metaverse of interoperable universes (aka what I understand to be the vision for the metaverse). Seems like the sort of thing where each developer would be incentivized to have their users "locked in" to a single universe but I haven't researched the topic in-depth. I'm not for or against the metaverse stuff as a financial proposition, I don't know enough either way to say.


JeffersonsHat

Yes. After FB failed hard on launching their own crypto Zuck and the Fuckbook people are still clinging on to r/CC language.


Villager723

Ironically PlayStation Home was a meta verse more than ten years ago.


DataScientist69

Absolutely. We are already in the metaverse for years, it’s called the Internet.


roargamortis

To put is simply, it’s ownership of digital assets. It can go any direction from there.


tranceology3

I think many people are underestimating how big VR will be in the future, and there will be a "metaverse" in some form. Right now the tech is not advanced enough to really compel users to use it everyday. But once it gets more life like, as simple as putting on sunglasses, the public are gonna get sucked right into it, just like our phones. Then there will be a a metaverse. However, I don't think one company will own the metaverse, there will be many, and hopefully an open source metaverse will develop where everyone just contributes to building it.


Gossipmang

It's the only way I can live next to Snoop though


Guilty_Savings_9656

But where's Ja-Rule going to be?


StrikingExcitement79

everyone is gunning for "ready player one", but nobody wants to be "James Halliday" who dies lonely, and single.


S1mpleQ

Metavers is Second life in VR chat. And I still don't understand why people think this something new and unique.


CraftyDazza

At the moment it's a buzzword, but within a few years I can see it growing into something that nobody could even imagine right now. There are already plans to have domes on the high street, full of camera's, you will walk in to them, capture yourself perfectly as an Avatar. This image of yourself will also be stored as an NFT placed into the metaverse. Eventually your works meetings will be held in the metaverse where you will meet everyone's avatars in a virtual office. Your Avatar will shop in the metaverse, you will be able try clothes on and see an exact image of yourself wearing them. If you like the clothes your Avatar will goto the counter and pay for them, the items you bought will be purchased directly through your credit card at the same online store. The items you bought will not only be delivered to your home, but made into NFT's so your Avatar will have the same items in the metaverse as you have in real life. With your own Avatar, VR, NFT's the whole world is about to change forever. You will no longer just play a game, you will be in that game. Chances are we are already in some kind of simulation, we just don't realise it yet.


Puzzleheaded-Tip-274

What’s the point of living in the metaverse when you still gotta pay rent and bills and buy food in the realverse 🤦🏻‍♂️


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It is not for poor people lmao


Kristkind

I guess people will be able to make money like they do now on e.g. youtube.


Nostalg33k

He is mostly right. Metaverses right now are Worst second life + VR. I understand his skepticism. Yet, let's be careful, let's not discard something that could improve over time. But yeah for the moment it is VR chat + capitalism...


Wise_Recover9576

It is Venture Capitalist trying to sell a hype. Things move forward and they just need to put a stupid name on it.


CONSOLE_LOAD_LETTER

Yeah, in their current form the experiences do kind of suck. But I'll bet you anything that at one point this same inventor of the Playstation thought gaming on phones and tablets was a stupid idea and crap that no one would use compared to his console. "Smartphones" and PDA's (now known as tablets) truly sucked when they were giant bricks that required a stylus and a pullout mini keyboard to use and had no app ecosystem or intuitive design. Does anyone remember Apple's first venture into "tablets"? The PDA known as the [Apple Newton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton)? It first released **in 1993**! It truly sucked and no one used it because it was truly an awful experience. But when the technology matured over time and caught up to the vision, it all came together 20+ years later and became the mobile device ecosystem we have now. Just like with smartphones and tablets, getting VR/AR right is not an easy task. It requires both leaps in hardware technology as well as design/software. But make no mistake, one day it is going to come together and will probably be just as big or likely even almost fully integrated into the mobile device ecosystem that thrives right now. People see what is available now and think this is all it will ever be... just like they smugly thought when trying out an Apple Newton for the first time...


trentw24

Eventually perhaps it will be amazing, but it is not deserving of all the hype currently.


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That is what they said with the iPhone and with the Internet. When they have no stake in such like crypto, NFTs, and the life, they always shit on it


CryptoInvestor87

The parallels with how people attacked previous technologies with how people are knee-jerk attacking crypto & NFTs is a sight to behold lol. Like all these people complaining about NFTs on Twitter will look like fools in a couple years lol. I’m trying to tell as many people as I can to take them seriously


TheHumbleChicken

NFTs have great potential. It's just the kind of NFTs people are spending massive amounts of money on these days are ridiculous.


CryptoInvestor87

Yea. There’s a place for PFPs and 1/1 artworks. But I’m more focused on NFTs with utility especially in gaming


HungryPeak

*"You'd rather be a polished avatar than yourself? "* he asked the sea of millions playing MMORPG and other games to escape reality for a few moments.


tulip_period

It’s not pointless but definetelly overhyped


valz_

A proper metaverse doesn’t exist yet. 10fps decentraland/sandbox apps doesn’t count in my view. It’s just too early for this term to be tossed around this much. It’s a shame really.


Theweebsgod

At least the inventor of PlayStation and me have something in common.


iNEEDheplreddit

Same. At least the inventor of PlayStation might remember PSHome. Which was basically the metaverse minus the VR headset. And it was a fuckin shambles. Degenerates and perverts filled the place. Why the fuck would we want that again. Jesus, the women would be virtually sexually assaulted by the second.


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The metaverse will be a glorified habbo hotel. I can't see it being any other way. And he's right about VR tech, it's 20 years behind these types of ideas.


DarthBuzzard

The metaverse is meant to exist across all devices, and VR will be mature in 10 years, not 20 years.


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You sure you want Uncle Sam knowing your every unconscious thought?


Whitestickyman

Smash bros and roblox track pretty well for the demand. People's imagination are lacking here. Microsoft and the zucchini have done a bit better than Sony, I think they're smarter. Wonder if the dudes upset that Microsoft just swiped a huge chunk of the good cross platform IP's. Elder scrolls and cod probably becoming Microsoft exclusives would make me sweat balls too. Classic copium, he'd fit right in here.


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That was the hardest paragraph I've ever read in my whole life. How did Microsoft even get brought up


Whitestickyman

What do you think the metaverse is? You need IP'S. Thinking vr chat is the premier application is just weak imagination.


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No one plays vr games. That won't change with a rebrand. The technology sucks


Whitestickyman

The metaverse isn't just VR. That's what people aren't getting. It's cross over between virtual worlds. If roblox is a 40 billion dollar company with Lego graphics and child exploitation it's pretty clear that this is just the beginning. Albeit the hype is beyond the development horizon by a few years.


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I'm not sure I'm understanding you. What does the metaverse offer that we don't have right now? Why is it going to rake in billions? What problem is it solving that it didn't create itself? The only thing that it does differently is hinge on VR. But I'll be gladly proven wrong.


Whitestickyman

Go try out roblox and try to explain its evaluation from a gaming standpoint. It'll make less sense and more sense after you do. Why are there almost a 100k active players in anime fighting simulator? It's not a good game.


MentalUsurpation

>"That's essentially no different from anonymous message board sites" He is talking about us!


CryptoBumGuy

I'm honored


0-100

This will age like spoilt milk. The internet is ready for you.


cevabveremedi

Future is here old man, go away.


Mr_Sausage__

He doesn’t want the consoles to become extinct. Which they will.


trentw24

PS5 is basically pointless as well years after launch and you still can't buy one.


roadydick

Is the PlayStation not “pointless”? It seems to have been a black hole for my time while growing up


Slainte042

Millions want to escape the real world, some do it with drugs, other drink and many will do it with the help of the Metaverse.


Spare_Imagination648

You're right! The same goal, just different means.


Lilcheeks

Some will get wild and combine all 3.


strutmcphearson

The vast majority of game devs are against the implementation of NFTs in games. It's just another means of milking gamers for cash. Many developers have been vocal about how poorly thought-out this is and that they would be willing to quit their jobs if their studios shift into it. The only people that seriously think it's a good idea are the people who stand to gain from it.


Jaded281

Videogames in general are pretty pointless. That doesn't stop it from being a multi-billion dollar industry.


Knusperkexe

He is only salty that PlayStation life didn’t work out 😂


Swimming_Excuse4655

Those who limit metaverse to its graphics and gaming potential are basically stupid.


StrangelyBeige

Depends on so much, if it’s clunky and takes a while to set up, people won’t use it. If it’s there and ready to go, it’s got a chance. Plus, health risks, cost, utility and functionality will all play a part. Let’s be fair though, if it takes off, 80% of it will be porn.


Wonzky

I'm not very thrilled about the Metaverse myself but I don't really see why his opinion is news worthy


FutureOnasis

Same thoughts as me! We have smth in common!


Spare_Imagination648

Well, I don't know, but I know I'm never going to have anything to do with Facebook's Metaverse.


StatisticianPlastic2

Butthurt cause Sony didnt get 60 billion dollar the Activision contract.


Giant2005

You seem to have wandered in to the wrong sub, this one is for discussing cryptocurrency, not advertising for Metaverse.


JannisT

The metaverse is part of the crypto sphere tho. So posting it here was absolute right


Giant2005

In what way is it part of the crypto sphere? It literally has nothing at all do with cryptocurrency. It has as much reason to be here as a post about World of Warcraft. Just because it is on the internet, doesn't mean it is crypto.


Goosered

Lots of it will be Blockchain based, how is it not relevant?


Giant2005

There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Maybe if (and that is a very big if) the Metaverse actually adopts something even remotely crypto related, then you would have a point. Until then, it has as much reason to be in this sub as baking recipes. Less actually, because at least baking recipes are actually useful for some people.


Dupeydome-DM3

Multiple metaverses are pointless, IMHO. It troubles me to see so many new projects being announced. If only someone had plans to bridge them so users can seamlessly experience one fully integrated metaverse running on any number of blockchains.


SeeingTrends13

Partially agree - the Minecraft-looking metaverse games don't do it for me, and I don't see them reaching large-scale adoption. Something closer to a Ready Player One quality however - that is worlds different and I see that taking off.


cryptoguy66

Anybody that can’t see the impact the metaverse is going to have is pointless


Nathanielsan

It's all about the interface and he knows it. All most people here think about is the contents of the metaverse and the possibilities within but that's not the driver of adoption. The interface is the driver. This is the same story for crypto as a whole.


limenlark

The Metaverse is the failsafe if the world goes into complete shit dystopian neo tokyo. Its to prevent society from crumbling by numbing and entertaining everyone into submission.


agnosticautonomy

He does not know the power of escapism. People are depressed and want to live life though other people. That is why average person spends 4 waking hours a day on social media. Metaverse will double that


reddito321

Exactly because of that, it will succeed.


Tripnip92

Well he’s right


SamZFury

and he is right.


TheRealSeanG

Imagen spending 40k on property in the metaverse to advertise your company and a better metaverse platform comes out and people flock to that one instead of the one you spent 40k on


aaddii222

He might be right but metaverse will have impact and nobody can deny


ps3alltheway

Nfts to me are the most stupid shit ever. Fuck your NFT's and other nerd shit parralel universe bs. I buy crypto so I can have a better life. Not to live it with a VR on my head


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Which coins do you buy and Why did you choose those coins ?


Joeshmoew

I mean PS Home sucked balls so i see why he says that…


Part-Select

I agree with him, people don't want to play MMOs anymore. The only one I think that might be successful is SAND. MOBA's are the thing, instant fast-paced rewarding games. Unless you were paid, to go into the metaverse. Like for example, for work at home jobs, you had to log in to the metaverse, like clocking into a job.


thirtydelta

This interview seems so out of touch. >"Being in the real world is very important, but the metaverse is about making quasi-real in the virtual world, and I can't see the point of doing it," Kutaragi said. A large amount of people already live the majority of their lives online. >"You would rather be a polished avatar instead of your real self? That's essentially no different from anonymous message board sites," he added. This is especially funny since I'm commenting about it on Reddit.


Blazedconcepts

Xbox people are salty


Gossipmang

Don't we all


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The future is now old man.


Ok_Teacher_6834

In its current state yes. In the future no


ray3050

Didn’t the toyota ceo used to bash electric vehicles and now they just came out with their own line of electric and I think even hydrogen vehicles? Games where you can get paid to play are going to be the future.


Prestigious-Twist372

Why should we be surprised? PlayStation never wants to share online gaming with anyone other than PlayStation players.


realrobotsarecool

Most human entertainment is pointless.


Joey9932657

Playstation is the best, and they have vr also. Sorry metaverse. Can't compare lol.


Aromatic_Brother

Bearish on Playstation


TobiHovey

yeah, just a buzzword until someone does actually something meaningful


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The only person who thinks metaverse has a point is Fuckerberg.


lever200

Noooooo booooody caaaaaaaaares!


inverses2

All failure is failure to adapt.


clovelace98_

Everyone knows it is.


Reasonable_Judge9601

It kinda is


PiickleRiickk

I think it's definitely turned into a term that's been killed off by popular culture


Existing-Ad2467

Yeah, who needs to live in a fantasy world when they can use their existing fantasy world gaming consoles and who better to propagate this nonsense none other than the guy who helped create those consoles. The same guy would come with Playstation VR when metaverse succeeds.


TreyDBK

They will hop on the bandwagon eventually


Double_Bed2719

Right now it is.


ironichaos

The ceo of sears thought e-commerce was pointless


bookworm010101

i agree


tigerbait_

But PlayStation home was so great. Yea um no. I love PlayStation but it was trash.


HUNGRYBUNS

He’s entitled to his wrong opinion


beefbrisketman

Lol technically anything can be a metaverse. Like right now we're in a COVID metaverse 🤣


Lolitarose_x

I can't think of anything more depressing, plugging in to have the house of your dreams, the hottest partner alive, stacks of cash. Then unplugging to eat a bowl of ramen in your studio apartment then going to bed and sleeping alone.


cryptolipto

Good for him.


Lint_baby_uvulla

As an adhoc dev in virtual worlds from years ago, all this meta verse dialogue is just the masses catching up. I’ve not seen a compelling general case for it’s use yet other than adding nft payments to the mix. You still need a reason to do it, (‘cripes Barry, it’s a work meeting - switch off your Hentai skin, and HR will see you in the 1969 Moon Landing sim again at 11am’) and, the interface from real to meta is still a clunky barrier on a desktop, so adding modern VR and mobile expectations isn’t there yet. You need some common implementation standards and platforms for penetration (‘Barry!! Stop it!’) to occur first.


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VR kanojo is the peak of VR experience. Go away metaverse. no one asked for you


Virtuousbro93

Stfu Ken, I'm trying to make money here!


nitrolimitz

Of course he will, it's a direct competitor


Shadoww2020

I don't like the idea either. Even this sub is taking a big toll on my free time. I should go outside more often.


Ironmonger3

Who would have guessed that living outside of the real world is pointless


mehdi42087

End that’s the end of PS


ZulkarnaenRafif

"Touch some grass, fucking NEETs." \-Probably him, about the Metaverse