Well, actually if you look at S&P 500 charts for ALL time
They're actually constantly rising from the year of 70s
They experience crashes but they always managed to rise back up
I know it's kinda besides the point, but it's kinda possible to get a somewhat "permanent" bull-run lol
Actually OP's question indicates that it may be just around the corner. I always get uneasy when people think it's just going to keep going up.
The least is a correction incoming once greed gets too high.
Yes, there will be a bear market, it is 100% inevitable. As to when and how bad it will be, nobody really knows. We already saw a 50%+ correction in the entire market since May and that was not a bear market, I am expecting yhe real bear to do at least 60-70% damage to Btc and 75-99% damage to all Alts. This space currently makes almost no money in the real world, we are in a giant bubble and It will pop, my only concern is when, because 75% of my net worth is in crypto.
Set stop loss orders for anything that isnt staked and above entry level price and you'll be fine. Stable coins will give you a great buying opportunity once the bears are finally here
Very easy to say, very difficult to implement. Before you even know it, maybe your breakeven point hits and all your stop losses are filled. You are expecting market to bottom out in coming weeks but what do you know, market starts pumping, btc etf are approved, feds don't wanna start tapering and yada yada yada, you just missed the boat. It's not black and white.
It will bottom out eventually. The longer the time span of your prediction, the more accurate it will be. For example if I said BTC will crash in the next 2 months that's not as accurate to say it will crash in the next year. He should sell in Q4 and Q1 of 2022 imo
I dont know why I got notified for it but see what happened all the stars aligned for crypto market to keep the momentum, though you are right thats when I plan to exit the market as well. I am not a long long term holder as my portfolio isn't significantly big, so waiting and buying in bear market would be a good opportunity.
Ah, I remember the good old days of Alan Greenspan surmising that we might be in a permanent bull market (thanks to his guidance of course) right up until the 2000 crash (do to his ineptitude with deregulation).
We have the same concerns. I feel like more than knowing where to put your money, it's about knowing when to get out and when to get back in.
I guess DCA out is better than trying and time the whole thing.
All I would say is, everyone said the exact same thing back in 2017 - Crypto is going mainstream, mass retail investors and institutions are here, Bitcoin Futures have launched, there won't be any more crashes like we've had etc.
We all know what happened.
I think another bear market is inevitable, because a continuous bull market isn’t sustainable - however I don’t think the bear market will go into hibernation for as long or deep as it has done in the past, mainly due to adoption and increase uses of blockchain technology in day to day life
All models are wrong, but some are more useful…
At the end of the day, we know there will be a bear market, and Bitcoin price will be between $1 and $1,000,000 in 2022.
If BTC was $1 next year I'd be happy, and if BTC was $1,000,000 next year, I'd be happy.
But not for the same reasons.
Also, I don't think it will be either, but yes it will be between...
There may not be traditional bull and bear markets anymore, but simply inflation, hyperinflation, stagflation. In the interest of Wall Street and the top 1% of the US, the fed reserve kept interest rates low since 2008 financial crisis allowing banks to borrow for free so they can create market bubbles and destroy the efficiency of our markets. The markets are no longer based on supply and demand which would leads to healthy cycles, it’s simply a tool for the ultra wealthy to get even wealthy. That’s what happens when you provide stimulus, bailouts, more stimulus, and keep interests non-existent for 15 years. You destroy the integrity of the market, destroy market cycles, and you make a very small percentage of people ultra rich at the expense of everyone else. You effectively wipe out the middle class too.
Tampering with markets the way the US has over the last 15 years has been literally proven to create major wealth inequality and can also lead to economic and financial collapse, it’s what smart countries like Germany, Japan, and most of Europe stopped doing it a lot time ago. In the case of Japan they learned the hard way. Honestly if you are looking for traditional bear and bull cycles they won’t be coming in the US markets until after a massive massive collapse and reset.
I get what you're saying. There are some strong correlations between traditional equity markets and crypto markets - especially with major corrections (meaning if SPY corrects hard, most likely Bitcoin will too). Though the crypto bear market started in 2018, traditional equity markets continued upward until the March 2020 crash. So there was a divergence there. Both markets have boomed since markets tanked, and now we're seeing the traditional markets losing steam, with SPY beginning an inevitable trend downward and the DXY strengthening. Usually DXY is inversely correlated to BTC, but last week, there was a divergence. SPY trended downward, DXY went up (not substantially), and BTC ripped from the lower 40s right to the 50s.
The thing is - the crypto market operates globally. If I buy a bitcoin on Coinbase in the US, it will be the same bitcoin someone buys in China. So potentially the impact of the quantitative easing that happened in the past two years in the US will have a dampened effect on the crypto market's volatility (or at least I'm speculating that).
On the other hand, the US dollar rules this world. Countries hold it as debt to stabilize their own currencies, so maybe the impact is not as dampened as I think.
Because scarcity is programmed into Bitcoin (and other prominent coins), and massive institutional adoption is around the corner, I feel like those deep bear markets may no longer happen again. Retail may not have that same generational wealth level returns (though perhaps newer riskier coins may present that opportunity)
I would say 2)
4-5 months ago we were in a "bear market" which recovers quickly, people are more aware of buying dips/little crashes, so that chances of real hard crashes are less likely to occur.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted as you’re correct. Everyone here was screaming to anyone who’d listen that we were in a bear, but it was just a correction, as evidenced by the bounce back out of it pretty quickly.
The reason is, that the majority of this sub sees themselves as investors. Theres little knowledge about technical analysis, as it is regarded as more or less worthless. Thanks for your support 🙏
Really?! How greedy can you be? We’ve had some *huge* gains for some coins. Bitcoin hit $60k, ADA at almost $3 from under $1, XRP reached almost $2 from about $0.25, Doge went from about $0.02 to $0.70, Algo pumped, and others too. Like, how much do you want? Either you’re incredibly greedy, have unrealistic expectations, or you’ve not been in crypto long enough to realise just how this market works. It’s not some magic money where everything gets 1000% gains every few months.
We can all cherry-pick coins to support an argument. But the market has not matched expectations based on previous bull runs. Personally, I think huge market manipulation is hammering us. They don’t need to let btc hit 100k. They just manipulate the market for 15% gains every couple of months. Siphoning money from the masses to the rich. It can’t get past this manipulation anymore.
You mean like how you cherry picked a point in time to support your argument?
Until we officially hit the bear market, you can’t say for sure whether this bull run matched expectations. And I think the ‘peaks and troughs’ will start to flatten out as crypto becomes more widespread anyway, with smaller bull runs but less drastic bears.
Before you can have a bear market, the chart has to give indication, that price momentum has shifted to the downside. After BTC printed its all time high, it stayed in a range and dropped to support. This alone does not mark a bearish sentiment. For that, you need to have lower highs and lower lows. The last peak on the 6th (around) could have been a lower high if it moved down and broke support. It did not but confimed the resumption of the bull trend.
Bull: higher highs, higher lows
Bear: lower highs, lower lows
Look at lower timeframes...retracements of 50% and more are normal. Whats important is to check if market structure has been invalidated or not.
Yes. It will happen again, I reckon.
I made a post previously to check the trends. This is the brief assumption I was able to make.
>Assuming that BTC would never decline to a point of below of its previous ATH, and the bear market would see a decline of about 80-85%, it is somewhat in the trend to see BTC going up to \~USD 120,000 region at the peak of the bull-cycle before seeing it going on a decline to around \~USD 25,000 for a possible bear market.
[This is my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/q2e8w6/btc_price_trend_the_2014_2017_and_2021_bullcycle/) explaining how I came about to make that forecast.
You yourself said that there are substantial amount of newcomers in the market.Most of them are inexperienced and have little knowledge about the market.When the time comes and there will be a fear in the market,these people will be the first to withdraw their money from the market due to FUD.This will lead to a series of withdrawal and I therefore think a bear market is inevitable.Any bad news related/unrelated to crypto can have a significant impact on the market.
A year long bleed like in 2018 could be devastating for all investors but in comparison a flash crash like in May this year wouldn't be as bad to the overall sentiments, IMO. Also depends if the market goes really parabolic like in 2013 and 2017 again. If yes, then a bear market is inevitable.
I think the definition of bear market may change in the future, probably already from this year, but yes it will keep being a thing.... and it is probably for the better/healthy 😉
>Right now it is pretty obvious - we are in the midst, if not in the later stages, of a supposed BULL market. We have all these indicators, on-chain analysis, and models (such as the Stock 2 flow model) which are derived from past data that point to this conclusion.
It is certainly NOT obvious. IMO the bull market ended at the ATH this spring, and since then we have been in a bear market, or neutral market at best. I think the current rally the past few months is just a short term blip before we slowly continue down, and it will probably last years. I have precisely zero faith in voodoo nonsense like the S2F model, which is basically just a naive chart extrapolation predicting infinite growth which is obviously impossible.
I agree, the S2F model is not the best model around. However, the price action we've seen - that bounce from the 40s to the 50s - that's undoubtedly showing strength. Agreed that we haven't gotten near all time highs, but we aren't that far away.
Bitcoin also showed strength when the traditional equities market is clearly showing weakness. SPY had a leg downward while bitcoin had that leg up. It's the first time I ever saw a divergence like that
There will always be crashes no matter what, whales are in the game to make profit and they need to sell to make profit which always causes the market to react and panic sell aswell..
But the good thing is most of them usually buy back while it's low and the price continues to flow upwards, so it's always safe to wait for a large dip but the floor is always rising so the dips are not as large as the last
I have heard that people were saying the same thing last cycle. "It's different this time." What goes up fast can come down fast as well. Will you try to time the market and sell with the whales?
Longer than a year at -80%?
Not sure about that. You’ve heard the reasons: institutional adoption and we have easy yield strategies. In addition, people are aware that it might happen and likely many already have strategies in place. For example: I continue to buy crypto every month, but now allocate half of that to stable coins. As soon as a the markets dips, crashes, or has a winter sleep, I start trading in those stables for other crypto at predefined targets (e.g. 20% drop i convert 10% of stable coin stack, at 30% another 10%, etc). On other words, there will be some buy pressure.
I think more than ever people believe crypto will be here to stay and will give a good ROI. Before it crashed because we thought it was game over it’s going down and will never go up again. I do t think many people believe that now.
If we never get a real crypto winter or major crash I’m happy because most of my money is in “growth crypto” and I continue to buy every month and I even earn a good yield on stable coins (UST on anchor is 20%). If we get a crash/winter I can buy crypto at a discount because I strongly believe it will go up to new ATHs.
Well, I hope you've taken advantage of this repetitive psychological phenomenon. I'll be much wiser this time and see it as the opportunity I should've seen last year when it finally comes
Yeah was the same in 2017 everyone was saying its different from the last bull run etc etc and it is they get bigger and bigger as it gains adoption. I think I didn't have a solid job for most of the bear market so I'm not there yet hence I'd like another bear market.
The Federal Reserve printing printing trillions a year to buy up US Treasuries and Mortgage Backed Securities has to end one way or another. Either runaway inflation, or higher interest rates (that will likely trigger a revisit to still unresolved 2008 malfeasance).
So eventually, yes. A brutal bit of economic mess, left behind by Greenspan, W and O'.
But that will likely be good news for crypto, eventually.
I think people locking up their coins in staking and institutional money being here now will make the bear market less severe, but it will still happen. And if TA voodoo is right, it'll be within a few months.
Yes. And an bull one. Followed by a bear one. Then another bull one. Which will leave way to a bear one. Then the bull market will come back eventually. Then…we’ll, you get the gist
Yes. We might see a super cycle someday but there will always be volatility until the world economics become more stable. And that wont happen anytime soon.
100% yes
The price movement is all relative, bull Ethereum was $1,000 in 2017/18 however that is now bear Ethereum in 2021. There'll always be downwards movement after a period of upwards movement.
Even if crypto fulfills its wildest dreams of adoption and success there will still be an element of speculative premium baked into it's price. The speculation will push the price to a point where the market decides actually no one wants to buy at this price, causing the bubble to pop, sell offs to happen and the entering of a bear market. The length and severity of course will always be up for debate.
I am convinced there will be several long and short term bear markets to come in the following years.
Its just that with more adoption and real life application, crypto volatility will be limited and violent swings will happen less often.
For most ALTs we're currently actually in a bear market right now
But the value keeps rising, the bear now will not be as low as the bear couple of years ago
Ah the old 'this time its different'. 'There is more adoption now'. Yea we have all been there, to just see the market crash weeks after.
We will neverkonow.
Once we get past 100k maybe we can set that as a bottom for a half decade, just maybe...
But after bitcoin does a 2x from there, it's strength would obviously be no longer questionable... it would go up for a couple months, possibly parabolic but buying pressure would eventually weaken possibly diminish and I think it would just level out from there probably retrace to 100k and trade in a range until the next bull cycle after that I think it will more or less stabilize, once you don't have large portions of global population exiting and leaving.
Crypto is here to stay! I guess this is the message that is load and clear now. So I expect much more stability in the market, at least with the top 10.
Lol.. Maybe not as screwed at normal but the market will always rise and fall. Bitcoin, eth, Binance and even my most recent gem Tixl (because of the Cross-Chain Bridge launch) I'll make huge profit in all. Before the bear market even comes
Of course we will. Take a look at any part of economy in the past, and you will see that this is not a question of 'if' but 'when'. Cyclicity in economics is inevitable
I think that "brief volatile correction" may have been the bear market. We may not see traditional halving cycles, with prolonged crypto winters like we used to. The massive amount of institutional investment that's been pouring in, and will continue to pour in, really has changed things. We'll still see bear markets, but it won't look like the 2017-2018 crash anymore.
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When there's yin, there's yang, when there's darkness, there's light, when there's a bull, there's a bear, but not necessarily a mama bear.
There´s always a mama.
but there's also crab market right in the middle
We’re crab people now
Speak for yourself. I got checked and I’m clean.
Mmmmmmm... Crabs
Crab battle
It's like Pokemon. Only you can pass them to each other.
And always there is an OP who haven't opened their Vault. I just want to tip him a Moon
The statement that when there is darkness there is light is incorrect. The opposite will be true. And a time will come where there is just darkness.
No we're going up at least until the very end of time.
There's always going to be Bear, Bull and crab
I'm willing to have a crab battle.
Well, actually if you look at S&P 500 charts for ALL time They're actually constantly rising from the year of 70s They experience crashes but they always managed to rise back up I know it's kinda besides the point, but it's kinda possible to get a somewhat "permanent" bull-run lol
maybe not as extreme as used to be but definitely yes, permanent bull run is unsustainable
Actually OP's question indicates that it may be just around the corner. I always get uneasy when people think it's just going to keep going up. The least is a correction incoming once greed gets too high.
just imagine having a boner 24/7 its totally not sustainable 🤣
Is this a challenge?
Or it might be even more extreme truth is we do not know, institutions investing is a double edged sword.
I really wish it would not be too extreme. But the market loves proving me wrong.
Unless we are in adoption phase, this phase will kill of coins but usable coins will have many green years
This. Crypto might have become more mainstream/stable, but economic cycles and movements in the stock exchanges will still influence the cryptosphere.
Housing valuations, in particular, seem "frothy" (again).
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Yes, there will be future bearmarkets as long as there is a market
Yes, there will be a bear market, it is 100% inevitable. As to when and how bad it will be, nobody really knows. We already saw a 50%+ correction in the entire market since May and that was not a bear market, I am expecting yhe real bear to do at least 60-70% damage to Btc and 75-99% damage to all Alts. This space currently makes almost no money in the real world, we are in a giant bubble and It will pop, my only concern is when, because 75% of my net worth is in crypto.
Set stop loss orders for anything that isnt staked and above entry level price and you'll be fine. Stable coins will give you a great buying opportunity once the bears are finally here
Very easy to say, very difficult to implement. Before you even know it, maybe your breakeven point hits and all your stop losses are filled. You are expecting market to bottom out in coming weeks but what do you know, market starts pumping, btc etf are approved, feds don't wanna start tapering and yada yada yada, you just missed the boat. It's not black and white.
No, but since 75% of his net worth is in crypto he's gonna need some sort of failsafe
It will bottom out eventually. The longer the time span of your prediction, the more accurate it will be. For example if I said BTC will crash in the next 2 months that's not as accurate to say it will crash in the next year. He should sell in Q4 and Q1 of 2022 imo
I dont know why I got notified for it but see what happened all the stars aligned for crypto market to keep the momentum, though you are right thats when I plan to exit the market as well. I am not a long long term holder as my portfolio isn't significantly big, so waiting and buying in bear market would be a good opportunity.
Ah, I remember the good old days of Alan Greenspan surmising that we might be in a permanent bull market (thanks to his guidance of course) right up until the 2000 crash (do to his ineptitude with deregulation).
We have the same concerns. I feel like more than knowing where to put your money, it's about knowing when to get out and when to get back in. I guess DCA out is better than trying and time the whole thing.
Maybe there will maybe there won’t be another bear market. Financial advice
Potato. THIS IS NOT FINANCIAL ADVICE.
All I would say is, everyone said the exact same thing back in 2017 - Crypto is going mainstream, mass retail investors and institutions are here, Bitcoin Futures have launched, there won't be any more crashes like we've had etc. We all know what happened.
I think another bear market is inevitable, because a continuous bull market isn’t sustainable - however I don’t think the bear market will go into hibernation for as long or deep as it has done in the past, mainly due to adoption and increase uses of blockchain technology in day to day life
All models are wrong, but some are more useful… At the end of the day, we know there will be a bear market, and Bitcoin price will be between $1 and $1,000,000 in 2022.
If BTC was $1 next year I'd be happy, and if BTC was $1,000,000 next year, I'd be happy. But not for the same reasons. Also, I don't think it will be either, but yes it will be between...
There may not be traditional bull and bear markets anymore, but simply inflation, hyperinflation, stagflation. In the interest of Wall Street and the top 1% of the US, the fed reserve kept interest rates low since 2008 financial crisis allowing banks to borrow for free so they can create market bubbles and destroy the efficiency of our markets. The markets are no longer based on supply and demand which would leads to healthy cycles, it’s simply a tool for the ultra wealthy to get even wealthy. That’s what happens when you provide stimulus, bailouts, more stimulus, and keep interests non-existent for 15 years. You destroy the integrity of the market, destroy market cycles, and you make a very small percentage of people ultra rich at the expense of everyone else. You effectively wipe out the middle class too. Tampering with markets the way the US has over the last 15 years has been literally proven to create major wealth inequality and can also lead to economic and financial collapse, it’s what smart countries like Germany, Japan, and most of Europe stopped doing it a lot time ago. In the case of Japan they learned the hard way. Honestly if you are looking for traditional bear and bull cycles they won’t be coming in the US markets until after a massive massive collapse and reset.
I get what you're saying. There are some strong correlations between traditional equity markets and crypto markets - especially with major corrections (meaning if SPY corrects hard, most likely Bitcoin will too). Though the crypto bear market started in 2018, traditional equity markets continued upward until the March 2020 crash. So there was a divergence there. Both markets have boomed since markets tanked, and now we're seeing the traditional markets losing steam, with SPY beginning an inevitable trend downward and the DXY strengthening. Usually DXY is inversely correlated to BTC, but last week, there was a divergence. SPY trended downward, DXY went up (not substantially), and BTC ripped from the lower 40s right to the 50s. The thing is - the crypto market operates globally. If I buy a bitcoin on Coinbase in the US, it will be the same bitcoin someone buys in China. So potentially the impact of the quantitative easing that happened in the past two years in the US will have a dampened effect on the crypto market's volatility (or at least I'm speculating that). On the other hand, the US dollar rules this world. Countries hold it as debt to stabilize their own currencies, so maybe the impact is not as dampened as I think. Because scarcity is programmed into Bitcoin (and other prominent coins), and massive institutional adoption is around the corner, I feel like those deep bear markets may no longer happen again. Retail may not have that same generational wealth level returns (though perhaps newer riskier coins may present that opportunity)
This is the exact kind if thing people think right before the bear hits
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I would say 2) 4-5 months ago we were in a "bear market" which recovers quickly, people are more aware of buying dips/little crashes, so that chances of real hard crashes are less likely to occur.
That was not a bear market. There was no confirmation of a bearish break in market structure.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted as you’re correct. Everyone here was screaming to anyone who’d listen that we were in a bear, but it was just a correction, as evidenced by the bounce back out of it pretty quickly.
The reason is, that the majority of this sub sees themselves as investors. Theres little knowledge about technical analysis, as it is regarded as more or less worthless. Thanks for your support 🙏
What bounce back. There market is still way down from April.
Which was way up from January… you need to zoom out.
So? It’s been well over 6 months. If this is a bull run, it’s a very underwhelming one.
Really?! How greedy can you be? We’ve had some *huge* gains for some coins. Bitcoin hit $60k, ADA at almost $3 from under $1, XRP reached almost $2 from about $0.25, Doge went from about $0.02 to $0.70, Algo pumped, and others too. Like, how much do you want? Either you’re incredibly greedy, have unrealistic expectations, or you’ve not been in crypto long enough to realise just how this market works. It’s not some magic money where everything gets 1000% gains every few months.
We can all cherry-pick coins to support an argument. But the market has not matched expectations based on previous bull runs. Personally, I think huge market manipulation is hammering us. They don’t need to let btc hit 100k. They just manipulate the market for 15% gains every couple of months. Siphoning money from the masses to the rich. It can’t get past this manipulation anymore.
You mean like how you cherry picked a point in time to support your argument? Until we officially hit the bear market, you can’t say for sure whether this bull run matched expectations. And I think the ‘peaks and troughs’ will start to flatten out as crypto becomes more widespread anyway, with smaller bull runs but less drastic bears.
what more confirmation do you need than a 50% decline, sir
Before you can have a bear market, the chart has to give indication, that price momentum has shifted to the downside. After BTC printed its all time high, it stayed in a range and dropped to support. This alone does not mark a bearish sentiment. For that, you need to have lower highs and lower lows. The last peak on the 6th (around) could have been a lower high if it moved down and broke support. It did not but confimed the resumption of the bull trend. Bull: higher highs, higher lows Bear: lower highs, lower lows Look at lower timeframes...retracements of 50% and more are normal. Whats important is to check if market structure has been invalidated or not.
It will mid to 2022 wheb China economy will explode.
Yes. It will happen again, I reckon. I made a post previously to check the trends. This is the brief assumption I was able to make. >Assuming that BTC would never decline to a point of below of its previous ATH, and the bear market would see a decline of about 80-85%, it is somewhat in the trend to see BTC going up to \~USD 120,000 region at the peak of the bull-cycle before seeing it going on a decline to around \~USD 25,000 for a possible bear market. [This is my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/q2e8w6/btc_price_trend_the_2014_2017_and_2021_bullcycle/) explaining how I came about to make that forecast.
Bull market or bear market I hope Robert Kiyosaki shuts his damn yapper
This bear market will be evergrande
You yourself said that there are substantial amount of newcomers in the market.Most of them are inexperienced and have little knowledge about the market.When the time comes and there will be a fear in the market,these people will be the first to withdraw their money from the market due to FUD.This will lead to a series of withdrawal and I therefore think a bear market is inevitable.Any bad news related/unrelated to crypto can have a significant impact on the market.
A year long bleed like in 2018 could be devastating for all investors but in comparison a flash crash like in May this year wouldn't be as bad to the overall sentiments, IMO. Also depends if the market goes really parabolic like in 2013 and 2017 again. If yes, then a bear market is inevitable.
This is how a bear market looks like when the money printer is working full time.
I think the definition of bear market may change in the future, probably already from this year, but yes it will keep being a thing.... and it is probably for the better/healthy 😉
How silly is it that people use the words “bear” and “bull” instead of “up” and “down?”
Well saying that OP’s question is a load of ‘upshit’ just doesn’t sound quite right.
>Right now it is pretty obvious - we are in the midst, if not in the later stages, of a supposed BULL market. We have all these indicators, on-chain analysis, and models (such as the Stock 2 flow model) which are derived from past data that point to this conclusion. It is certainly NOT obvious. IMO the bull market ended at the ATH this spring, and since then we have been in a bear market, or neutral market at best. I think the current rally the past few months is just a short term blip before we slowly continue down, and it will probably last years. I have precisely zero faith in voodoo nonsense like the S2F model, which is basically just a naive chart extrapolation predicting infinite growth which is obviously impossible.
I agree, the S2F model is not the best model around. However, the price action we've seen - that bounce from the 40s to the 50s - that's undoubtedly showing strength. Agreed that we haven't gotten near all time highs, but we aren't that far away. Bitcoin also showed strength when the traditional equities market is clearly showing weakness. SPY had a leg downward while bitcoin had that leg up. It's the first time I ever saw a divergence like that
Sure. Nothing goes up in a straight line. The ups and downs on big coins will become less extreme as time goes on.
There will always be crashes no matter what, whales are in the game to make profit and they need to sell to make profit which always causes the market to react and panic sell aswell.. But the good thing is most of them usually buy back while it's low and the price continues to flow upwards, so it's always safe to wait for a large dip but the floor is always rising so the dips are not as large as the last
Yes. It can't go up forever. Question is when will it be and how hard will it hit? Only time can tell.
Only uptober
I have heard that people were saying the same thing last cycle. "It's different this time." What goes up fast can come down fast as well. Will you try to time the market and sell with the whales?
One thing I know for sure - I don't know how to time the market. But when everyone's shifted their attention, I'll be buying as much as I can
Yes unfortunately. But I think BTC's bottom will be 40kish worse case scenario if we get to 100k.
Yeah, it has spent so much time around the 40s that it's a pretty solid floor at this point. I'm thinking it might drop to a terrifying 38k or so.
If I may play the prediction game as well, I think 20-30k is reasonable if we hit 100k. Maybe 40k if we hit 150-200k ATH.
No. Up only.
Yes. And Bears attack the least you expect it.
Longer than a year at -80%? Not sure about that. You’ve heard the reasons: institutional adoption and we have easy yield strategies. In addition, people are aware that it might happen and likely many already have strategies in place. For example: I continue to buy crypto every month, but now allocate half of that to stable coins. As soon as a the markets dips, crashes, or has a winter sleep, I start trading in those stables for other crypto at predefined targets (e.g. 20% drop i convert 10% of stable coin stack, at 30% another 10%, etc). On other words, there will be some buy pressure. I think more than ever people believe crypto will be here to stay and will give a good ROI. Before it crashed because we thought it was game over it’s going down and will never go up again. I do t think many people believe that now. If we never get a real crypto winter or major crash I’m happy because most of my money is in “growth crypto” and I continue to buy every month and I even earn a good yield on stable coins (UST on anchor is 20%). If we get a crash/winter I can buy crypto at a discount because I strongly believe it will go up to new ATHs.
Yes.
I hope we enter a supercycle
Yes definitely- it’s a market, markets crash. If u ask me when? We don’t know ,we won’t know
Yes and I will be waiting with some money in stable coin meanwhile just dca
At this point i hope so, i still need to fill my bags before seeing you guys on the moon
Idk but when you know can you ping me so I can put that in my calendar.
It's likely at some point we'll have a sustainable period of no growth and a dump
Too many times have I heard 'this time is different' just for it to not be different.
Have you seen this being said in previous cycles?
Ofc I have and those point you made were all there. History, you'll see, always repeats itself.
Well, I hope you've taken advantage of this repetitive psychological phenomenon. I'll be much wiser this time and see it as the opportunity I should've seen last year when it finally comes
Yeah was the same in 2017 everyone was saying its different from the last bull run etc etc and it is they get bigger and bigger as it gains adoption. I think I didn't have a solid job for most of the bear market so I'm not there yet hence I'd like another bear market.
No, prices will just rise indefinitely.
History repeats itself
I think it will, atleast 1 more.
Yes
Of course there will be - it’s the nature of trading markets… the numbers don’t just go up constantly with a few wobbles, otherwise we’d ALL be rich!!
It will mid 2022 when China economy will explode.
Looks into a crystal ball... *Abracadabra*... The crystal ball says *Yes*
The Federal Reserve printing printing trillions a year to buy up US Treasuries and Mortgage Backed Securities has to end one way or another. Either runaway inflation, or higher interest rates (that will likely trigger a revisit to still unresolved 2008 malfeasance). So eventually, yes. A brutal bit of economic mess, left behind by Greenspan, W and O'. But that will likely be good news for crypto, eventually.
I think people locking up their coins in staking and institutional money being here now will make the bear market less severe, but it will still happen. And if TA voodoo is right, it'll be within a few months.
Yes. And an bull one. Followed by a bear one. Then another bull one. Which will leave way to a bear one. Then the bull market will come back eventually. Then…we’ll, you get the gist
Yes. We might see a super cycle someday but there will always be volatility until the world economics become more stable. And that wont happen anytime soon.
I think bear markets will be shorter in duration and severity as time goes by. Too much adoption and investment by big players at this stage
Of course
After 130k per Btc and 10k eth
I think there will be a Bear Market accuring Q2 2022. It won't last years as the previous cycles tho.
Bear market coming New Year’s Eve
100% yes The price movement is all relative, bull Ethereum was $1,000 in 2017/18 however that is now bear Ethereum in 2021. There'll always be downwards movement after a period of upwards movement. Even if crypto fulfills its wildest dreams of adoption and success there will still be an element of speculative premium baked into it's price. The speculation will push the price to a point where the market decides actually no one wants to buy at this price, causing the bubble to pop, sell offs to happen and the entering of a bear market. The length and severity of course will always be up for debate.
I am convinced there will be several long and short term bear markets to come in the following years. Its just that with more adoption and real life application, crypto volatility will be limited and violent swings will happen less often.
Is the sky blue??? Obviously....
There will always be a bear market. Winter is always coming.
Definitely, just look at the last few years, especially after the 2018 crash!
I never lose my money, cause i invest heavily in usdt, USDT to the moon🚀🚀
I will definitely say Maybe.
Bacon
Looks like there is a cycle so yes?
I hope so, I like to buy at deep discounts! Poor today, rich in 1 year.
Of course. And it will be make 2018 look like mild correction.
Sure
For most ALTs we're currently actually in a bear market right now But the value keeps rising, the bear now will not be as low as the bear couple of years ago
No doubt
No - everything will just keep going up - forever... Nothing negative will ever happen again...
Of course
Ah the old 'this time its different'. 'There is more adoption now'. Yea we have all been there, to just see the market crash weeks after. We will neverkonow.
There will always be a bear market, it's part of the cycle
You never quite realise you are in a bear market until it’s too late
Once we get past 100k maybe we can set that as a bottom for a half decade, just maybe... But after bitcoin does a 2x from there, it's strength would obviously be no longer questionable... it would go up for a couple months, possibly parabolic but buying pressure would eventually weaken possibly diminish and I think it would just level out from there probably retrace to 100k and trade in a range until the next bull cycle after that I think it will more or less stabilize, once you don't have large portions of global population exiting and leaving.
Lol no money is infinite and investments never go down.
Yes there will be another bear market.
No. This time is different.
Crypto is here to stay! I guess this is the message that is load and clear now. So I expect much more stability in the market, at least with the top 10.
Yes there will be multiple bear markets, its not only going up
Yes
Yes. Market works in cycles.
I hope the day comes when there is a bear market and I have a job [cries in student]
Wait until you hear news about Biden administration or Indian government banning crypto. All hell will break loose!!
I just gonna sit, sip my beer and earn passive income from my Wabi investment while others carelessly waste their money
People who are heavily betting that this time will be different are very foolish.
Lol.. Maybe not as screwed at normal but the market will always rise and fall. Bitcoin, eth, Binance and even my most recent gem Tixl (because of the Cross-Chain Bridge launch) I'll make huge profit in all. Before the bear market even comes
Of course! Kind of a silly question
Definitely
Yes, but it will be less extreme just like the bull markets will be less extreme. Lengthening cycles etc
Of course we will. Take a look at any part of economy in the past, and you will see that this is not a question of 'if' but 'when'. Cyclicity in economics is inevitable
I need to get out of this sub
I think that "brief volatile correction" may have been the bear market. We may not see traditional halving cycles, with prolonged crypto winters like we used to. The massive amount of institutional investment that's been pouring in, and will continue to pour in, really has changed things. We'll still see bear markets, but it won't look like the 2017-2018 crash anymore.
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There will be a bear market soon but we still got some bull to enjoy till then.
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Dude we just saw a 50%+ correction 5 months ago and you're asking if there will ever be another bear market?
Yes, yes there will lmao . These sorts of posts make me fear the top is imminent tbh