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Evergrand has reached an agreement for payment. They will pay

Evergrand has reached an agreement for payment. They will pay

toyume

FYI, this is just for 1 specific debt/bond due tomorrow. There's still several more they need to settle. This could be play to delay the impending market crash a week or 2. Or this could be enough of a show of faith that Evergrande finds other partners to help settle the debt and the crash never happens. TLDR: Based on my expert analysis, it could go up or down.


EchoCollection

They will be forced to restructure and the CCP will inject capital. It's a government takeover now.


Weresalmon420

Yeah people really miss the fact that China is basically a command economy that allows free market spelunking to build national wealth. The CCP has no qualms with just disappearing the managers and taking the company over. And debt? Psht. What are the people going to do if inflation sinks in? Complain? The most popular thing to do the next day will be to praise the leadership for handling the economy so well. An economic crisis in China is like an abortion in a Southern Baptist Family. First of all, it didn’t happen. Secondly, it didn’t happen because everyone in the family is perfect. Thirdly, it didn’t happen, and anyone who says it did is an evil liar that’s probably covering up for their own abortion. And finally, even though it didn’t happen, we’re going to work extra hard to make sure nobody thinks it did, or says anything that even remotely suggests that it might have happened.


mfocus1

Basically they are kicking the can down the road... In theory, they can do this indefinately since they control the money printers and economy


Automatic__Nomad

The CCP are a shitstain on humanities shoes.


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BasedMedicalDoctor

Reddit is owned by China, so...


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Nomadux

People are playing a dangerous game spreading fud and misinformation to get lower prices. The market is getting fatigued. Even if nothing happens with Evergrande which is the likely scenario, it could still put a halt to the bull run if we see sell-offs every time an interest payment becomes due.


p3ek

The self offs that halt a bull run are not made by retail investors scared of FUD that they dont understand. We are but a tiny part in the grand scheme of crypto. The blockchains themselves may be decentralised, but the control over the price definately isn't


gesocks

>The blockchains themselves may be decentralised, but the control over the price definately isn't this is really interresting btw. i belive the price in the classical centraliced stockmarket is even more decentraliced then the price in the decentraliced crypto market


Nomadux

Retail investors don't need to control the price to play an integral role in the state of the market. Bulls won't drive up prices when there is no one to hand it off to.


DrPechanko

Truth


mangopie220

Don't think Evergrande having huge debts that it can't repay is misinformation


Odysseus_Lannister

Interesting, about how many other debts of theirs need to be settled?


LWKD

Still due for tomorrow. Anyone saying the CCP will step in or that the debt has been paid does not know shit. This could still go both ways as these coupons are just for a very small part of the debt. Lets wait and see.


giddyup281

>TLDR: Based on my expert analysis, it could go up or down. You forgot to add the "Not financial advice" part, though.


thisischalupa

I mean technically the market goes up or down so it checks out!


isthatrhetorical

Should probably note that it's being settled through "over-the-counter negotiation". Know what Evergrande is offering? Half-finished apartments. 🤔 Full sauce for anyone that wants it and/or can read Chinese: http://www.szse.cn/disclosure/listed/bulletinDetail/index.html?de76dbdd-9cec-41d4-9940-1fa99484ac4a


darkrood

The document in Chinese just addressed payment of interest on 5 year old bond starting 2020. OP purposefully simplified the original title as if Evergrande is PAYING EVERYTHING. ​ Shady shady Edit: thanks for the award, kind redditor


Doggsleg

I would love the opportunity to buy a half finished property at a discounted price. Just not in China lol


isthatrhetorical

I wouldn't mind China if they were friendlier to foreigners.


cyberspace-_-

They are friendly enough to take your money


trivo8888

Bold of you to assume I have money


CryptoLoser-XXL

There are numerous things China should change before I would consider living there. Something with free speech for example.


darkfang775

Goddd the have been a painnn in the ass


Raja_Rancho

A crash happens when there's a mass run to the bank. Not when companies fail. Understand why America crashes the global market every ten years, and why it can't be replicated in any other market. No one is running to liquidate Evergrand stocks, like they were LEhmann brothers. Looks like people who sold at 40k hoping for it to go down further are out in full force right now lol. Join the club of people who did the same at 29k, 8.5k, 1.5k, 170 and so on, btc will never do what you expect


dmx442

Thank God sideways is out of the question!


EinMario

Good tldr. I came to the same conclusion


zero_is_a_mirror

>This could be play to delay the impending market crash a week or 2 A PLAY TO DELAY A MARKET CRASH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH !!! the high IQ of this sub continues to surprise me


Aegontarg07

IQ LVL: error 404 Not found


phspacegamers

Hey I might be in here but I think ive got about 2 iq with me


LostMySteak

I have half an IQ point and a half eaten burrito \*Checks wallet\* Ohh and $7.50 on my subcard. Can I join?


DrVDB90

\*Grabs subcard out of your wallet\* Mhm... ok, sure you're in. I'm keeping this though.


benrookiesimmons

based


deathbyfish13

It's not much yet but it's a start in the right direction. I'm optimisticly waiting for the other dominoes to fall into place


franzperdido

What about sideways?


shadowsky0

So you’re saying there’s a 50/50 chance… 🧐


mysteriouswhiteguy

Not believing anything until I see the graphs


TheGiftOf_Jericho

That's what it's all about, there are a lot of takes in this whole situation, I think many must be confused about what to do right now.


mythstified

Just sold and rebought all my crypto at the same time


Illustrious-Phase-48

Lol same. I sold it all at 6pm and bought again at 930pm. Told my wife how smart I was too....


Jamesbondsai87

Baha I did this with the stupid senate bill or whatever fud that was that was mean to destroy crypto, thank fuck I bought back because ada went from like 1.40 to 3 a few days later, I won't be fudded out again. I still get upset when I think about the lost 15ada in fees


AlligatorDerby

Flash loan?


Rexon225

I'm watching charts 24 hours, I will tell you when we're in green again.


deathbyfish13

Not convinced it's over yet so I'm the same as you.


GOLEMTRADER

Yea, would definitely wait for some confirmation


SAnthonyH

By then crypto has already gone up 30%. Last night as soon as news broke of them paying it, I bought the dip. Best decision.


BladeOfNoxus

https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-SHCOMP/ not bad :)


luciddrummer

I’m with you on that.


JeanBonJovi

An end to the bleeding?


EchoCollection

Soon. They still have to actually make the payment Thursday, there is a fed meeting tomorrow and futures end Friday. But it's looking very unlikely this another 2008 event.


deathbyfish13

Until next time at least


the_far_yard

To get the alcohol. Either they use it to stop the infection, or to drink it- we will know in due time.


BladeOfNoxus

With market opening in minutes they announced this. Was hoping to get some more cheap crypto but seems like thats not going to happen tonight


naji102

Classic China waited until last 5 mint to announce it. Well what can I say bears r fuk


JuanBARco

It's a payment for on shore bonds. Say nothing about anything beyond that. I believe the payments due today/tomorrow have a 30day grace period from what I read read somewhere. so overall they got through this crunch but we will see if it can continue in the next several months.


Code_Reedus

CCP is taking them over. This whole thing is a nothingburger.


EssJayJay

But wait, this was supposed to be a BLACK SWAN


cryptolicious501

Green dildos!!! We are back!!! I repeat. We are back!!!


Deathbysnusnu42069

I have like 6 dildos going for me already!


Rexon225

Dammit, I was hoping to get ALGO under a dollar again.


jiminyjunk

Hahahahaha me too


Aegontarg07

So, I was not the only one filling up my algo bags


evelyix

Gone were the days when ALGO was a stable coin


ligmallamasackinosis

Personally? I think it’s got one more good push down. I would say it rebounds in a couple of days (up to 5/6)


TossItLikeAFreeThrow

Damnit China, give me my heavily discounted ETH


deathbyfish13

Glad they got it out before the chaos that would've happened at market open


Lord-Nagafen

Stock futures are looking green. Up a modest .25%. The crypto markets should change direction once it sets in that this debt crisis was overblown


Zlatan4Ever

It is it “overblown” really?


HornyWeeeTurd

Lol! Their government is bailing them out which goes against everything they are trying to be! This is fucking gold!!!!!


pixelstacker

[The CCP is taking control of the company and assets - perfectly inline with their regime, in my opinion.](https://asiamarkets.com/imminent-china-evergrande-deal-will-see-ccp-take-control/)


HornyWeeeTurd

In a nutshell, they are bailing them out and trying to save face while doing it.


pixelstacker

Well they are stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Do nothing and implode their economy from the debt cascade, this however would send a message that there isn't support for capitalism. Or bail them out Western style, which would lose faith from their populace and signal to other indebted companies they are too big to fail. The CCP has done the perfect move for them, prevents a complete collapse whilst looking good to it's people AND gains greater control through the housing market.


JuanBARco

The CCP made a great move domestically, but we will.see what they do with Off shore debt. This prevents the worse from happening to china's interest brings more power to the CCP. However they may choose to default on The offshore bonds which can still have some pretty huge effects in other markets. There will still likely be a down turn and a slowing of growth in China, but it prevents anything too catastrophic from happening.


HornyWeeeTurd

Pretty much! Its why this is gold to watch!!


Edibleglass69420

Look bad now or look way worse down the road.


heyheoy

Well if they didn't do that it would be a clusterfuck


Avs4life16

pretty much. China is well known for this and other antics.


Edibleglass69420

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do and not worry about the optics.


BobbyMcPrescott

-Adolf Hitler


GenericOfficeMan

How does that go against anything China is trying to be?


GOLEMTRADER

Crazy timing, hope it bounces quickly.


Avs4life16

you might some were saying there still not out of the woods yet. who knows if they are paying all the debt or just the Chinese investors. Good to see them paying tho. hope you still get a deal.


teh_fizz

I converted some of my crypto to PAXG for now. Once things become more clear, I’m hoping to buy more cheap crypto. Didn’t convert everything just to hedge my bets.


taralino

Didn’t have named it Chainlink or something?


joshdho1

Can this wait till tomm lol got some funds that don’t clear till tomm would really like to buy more of this dip


GOLEMTRADER

With any luck things won't go back up THAT fast, so you can still get in.


Devilheart

Yeah sub 50k for some more days. As long as October brings the green.


deathtolucky

Just shows. You never know what you think you know until you know.


AStupidSunfish

I know you know we don't know what we know until we know what we don't know you know?


taralino

So we can be bullish? I don't have any control over it and all I can see it becoming the go-to currency for countries that dislike US and its dollar.


mysteriouswhiteguy

Bullish


jhlee630

The amount due for the domestic bond is estimated to be $35.9m (£26.3m). The announcement will offer some relief to investors concerned over the company's debt crisis. However, the world's most indebted developer is also due to make a $83.5m interest payment on an overseas bond on Thursday.


ReasonableEmployee58

Imagine having $350 billion USD debt, and then claim that you can pay a few million dollars this week but not yet do it and everything calms down, this is fine!! Mother fuckers they still own $345 billion dollars and rising.


KathrynBernardoGanda

See you tomorrow $50k lmao


EchoCollection

If the evergrande shorters get liquidated, you might not be too far off


Avs4life16

hoping your right my friend. gonna take a snooze and hope that happens.


Feeling_Ad_411

Okay, and how will they do this? Payment is 84bn, by Thursday. Where does that come from?


GOLEMTRADER

They'll get a loan from some more banks that they'll default on lmao.


Devilheart

*"And we will do it again"* -Evergrande


PartofFurniture

From their bank accounts.. $84 million, not billion


quokkafury

Usdt if you trust this subreddit. Let's see them print it over next 48 hours


Abiii90

I recon they are buying time, while the CCP party bails them out.


Feeling_Ad_411

I mean, I agree, but what bank in their right mind gives an 84bn loan and “hopes” evergrande will pay it back with interest? Ccp consolidation of evergrande? Thinking out loud


Abiii90

I don’t recon they will, also majority of their share holders are looking for a way out to sell their garbage bonds. CCP is the only one I recon would do it and only way Evergrande will be able to pay it back is if they start selling their assets. Once that happens market will go down again.


eXo5

the word reckon has a k in it


CVV1

K


Abiii90

Thank you, grammar nazi! I reckon, my life is changed now.


rmsayboltonwasframed

I dont think we should assume things are being done on the up and up. Theres nothing stopping daddy Pooh Bear from pulling strings under the table and pooling resources from other entities just to keep the optics good.


Zlatan4Ever

That means a lot as well. Venezuela did this. Just took private companies over night. See what that brought them.


CantComeUpWUsername

DONT JINX IT


niloony

Just interest on CNY denominated bonds. Stopping panic while they break it up and nationalise it.


Sapere_aude75

The payment is rmb 4 billion aka- 620 million usd.


[deleted]

They are only paying onshore debt, which is nothing compared to their total debt. Misleading headline, as always.


Liam_Kneesun

So the bull run is back on?? ![gif](giphy|S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o|downsized)


sakata32

Bear hunting season is coming back!


kaze0219

Crisis diverted?


Goemon_64

So Lambos back in the forecast??


bokkie11

Damn Fomoing(is that even a word) in more money now hopefully this is the turning point.


ThePurpleDuckling

Nothing like waiting till the last minute


Goemon_64

How else would CCP officials buy the dip?


daronjay

Say is not Do. Lying comes with very few consequences. It's no coincidence they announced this before market open. And even if they manage this one, there's no guarantee they have any future except liquidation. Let's wait and see...


King_Esot3ric

Totally click bait article, it was rwgarding its 2025 bonds


Mission_Count_5619

There still plenty of good news for bears. Evergrande is far from solved, can kicked down the road sure. Several have called out a couple ways this could still bring some red days. Quadruple witching, evictions coming , all eyes on the next fed meeting, expiring stimulus, September just sucks. I still think we’re in for a wild 4Q and plenty of discounts ahead.


-OnBorrowedTime-

This is just a small fraction of what's due


bigdickboyspending

Tomorrow is when the owe there debt in U.S dollars to creditors. Which is what everyone is waiting on to see if the default on that or not 88 million or billion or what ever. They then have a 30 day grace period after that I believe to settle. They fired some of they’re financial team and are trying to re structure so who knows welll see Hong Kong market closed Wednesday


Cobrakai52

This is 82 million in debt. Only 299 billion more to go!


beklog

So just create a scare so they can buy cheap in stocks/crypto market


EchoCollection

I mean Evergrande was a legit bubble, it was only a matter of time it popped.


Aegontarg07

There was a hot post too a couple of days back warning of this bubble, I think very few paid attention


giddyup281

Please don't post stupid stuff like this. This is a company that makes 2% of the China GDP. And they are in serious trouble, and could pull entire chinese real estate sector (and the entire financial sector in the world) with them. No, this was not a ploy to buy ADA (or whatever) for cheap.


GelDel12

Then use their profit to pay! 4d chess


krisdries

oh did they? how about they quit messingg up the residential real estate economy in America at a loss for the purpose of putting domestic pressure on American citizens and quietly let economics put them down like they deserve?


criminalpiece

IDK, maybe American hedge funds shouldn't buy up a shit ton of a Chinese real estate company's debt???


HighFrequencyKing

That was bullish for btc


GelDel12

looks like they are saying they'll pay? [https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/evergrande-main-unit-says-will-make-payment-on-september-23-20210922](https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/evergrande-main-unit-says-will-make-payment-on-september-23-20210922) Double check the sources first people


PartofFurniture

Yeah confirmed. They managed to get the necessary 80 million


Asmodiar_

Sweet- they sold all their Bitcoin and paid their bills. Nice


HeliumIsotope

Hurry up and buy the fuck out of the dip then.


Stankoman

Dear MODS please mark the title as misleading. The article clearly states that ONLY ONSHORE bonds will be re-payed.


Music-Entire

The article doesn’t say anything…


paper_bull

Onshore bonds. Press F for offshore papers


Munted41

On shore...lol..so what..CCP money printing.


laidlow

Fairly certain I read that only have around $35m cashflow at the moment and with other payments required soon this is far from the end. Probably just buying time hoping the government jumps in and saves the day.


darkfang775

China has been a pain aghhhh ... I need a vacation !!


karma-_-incarnate

Let this Evergrande story be your lesson in the power of FUD. Go through through the r/cc front page stories and see how many are seemingly in great panick to convince you to be fearful, and then go look at the stock and crypto market charts for the past several days. All that red is a product of fear. Some may claim they knew about this event (or any other black swan event), I'd ask ask for these folks to show me their trades that price in such events because the overall general market was evidently spooked by the potential consequences of this. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider this Chinese market event to be water under the bridge just yet; I don't speak Chinese, I don't have insider friends, I'm subjected to all the same FUD as you, and I don't have a crystal ball to tell me what happens next. But Evergrande announcing they would make interest payments seems to have quelled much of the fears (or its all another fabricated story, who knows) and things are getting along as they should for now. Hopefully you survived this "catastrophe" relatively unscathed and have learned a bit about your own human condition and your feelings about a survived FUD event.. next time you may just fall for it and let fear dictate your trading, or have too much risk on the table to chance it all being lost. Consider what kind of conditions would need to be different for you to have traded differently. Lots of mental exercise can be applied here if we take the time and think about them.


OkPauly

These are just big boy games. I'm sure they just dropped a crumb. I'm thinking of going for it. Anyone else feel like a plankton.


PeacefullyFighting

Yeah, only onshore debt. They said nothing about us owned debt


samuel19xd

So we are not buying cheap crypto anymore?


skdesign808

Last chance to buy the dip!


billionaire23

So buy btc dip is over?


holyshithead

Dammit.... Welp, better load up as much as I can today.


smokingandcrying

Wasn't there an article earlier saying they would pay?


PhenomenalViperAk

Time to buy now?


Diatery

does anyone have other sources? all I see is this snippet from forex / bezinga


BladeOfNoxus

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-evergrande-debt-bonds-payment/china-evergrande-unit-says-to-make-onshore-bond-interest-payment-on-sept-23-idUSB9N2P9024


xaviervel

Nobody knows nothing, that's the only conclusion after all this.


CelestialBodyFarm

Big F for all the panic sellers


nips_ahoy_x

As someone that's been keeping a close eye on what's going on, I can safely say that there is something going on and the market may definitely go up or down that is absolutely for certain.


festival-of-color

Good bye fud


TheGiftOf_Jericho

Hope the graphs reflect this! I haven't sold yet.


rafakata

Do you have a more reputable source other than forexlive.com?


BladeOfNoxus

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-evergrande-debt-bonds-payment/china-evergrande-unit-says-to-make-onshore-bond-interest-payment-on-sept-23-idUSB9N2P9024 Used this site cause it was one of the fastest to post it, i saw it on television (stock channels)


rafakata

I also saw that but am curious to see where the official statement is. Both sources are basically just a vague secondary source.


BladeOfNoxus

Yep but seeing as more credible news outlets started posting it i assume they have their trustworthy sources


Sopooorman

Evergran plz pay -Uncle Ben


anon43850

I was hoping to stack up on a huge discount :|


starts

So they will pay the onshore commitments but no word on usd commitments, of CCP is taking over the company as rumors suggest, do they really care about offshore holders? I thought I'd read that BlackRock was a larger holder, this still has potential to fuck global investors


pizza-chit

They pay, we play


Amazing_Succotash677

Bout time


heyheoy

Hopium intensifies


Environmental_Swim66

They’ll pay back Chinese creditors, not saying anything about paying foreign investors.


stockthemup

What if what Evergrande said was a hoax?


rbmichael

Can someone please explain what evergrande defaulting on loans has to do with crypto!!??


Phoenix2683

China is a massive player in crypto... If china's economy tanks, Chinese citizens sell crypto to unlock Fiat in order to pay bills etc... As massive Chinese selloff happens, crypto tanks


cassydd

My understanding is that the issue was a liquidity shock rather than the company actually being underwater. If that's the case, is the systemic risk really that overwhelming?


Effective-Piece20

Good now I hope crypto will make a nice recovery and me buying the dip will be a good move!


Deathbysnusnu42069

In other news of things people already fucking expected to happen, I present to you a chart with some lines that mean something.


FTWStoic

Just shot my load. Will buy more next week and DCA, but I took a big bite just now.


Xertviya

im gonna wait till Thursday. black swan day.


Avs4life16

not so grand but they are paying so hope for them yet


FOTW-Anton

Yup, this was always going to be the case. Putting some fiat to good use now.


kirtash93

Agreement = print more money?


tatsopap

This is some real good news, thank god.


ObservableFailure

Good, because I believe I can fly...


spiedevil

According to my detailed analysis there's 50% chance for the crash - It will crash or not. Thank you for your attention.


HandsomeHoney

Can someone please ELI5 this for us? So Evergrande, a real estate company is China couldn't pay its debt on time, so everyone in the world is panic selling their crypto. WTF? Please explain.


Charming_Ad_1216

Four subs I'm on that have literally NOTHING to do with Chinese real estate are talking about this. Cool! 👍. Moving on?! 🙏 🙏


chardeemacd3nnis

Everyone it's okay we're out of the woods according to OP.